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Old 04-04-2005, 09:43 PM
neburg964 neburg964 is offline
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Default Attention Automakers! If you build this, we will come!

This is for Bob Lutz. It's the gist of a thread I started on Autoweek.com.

I'm throwing this challenge out to any or all automakers. We want somebody to build us a:

GREAT SIMPLE DRIVER'S CAR:

The prerequisites are:

1) Powerful 4-cyl engine (160 hp or greater)
2) Rear wheel drive
3) 4-seater
4) 3-box design (conventional trunk)

In fact, we already have 4 cars with suitable platforms with the necessary hardware in place to make this happen:

Saturn Sky
Pontiac Solstice
Honda S-2000
Mazda Miata

Remember the late great Sentra SE-R? Although it was front-wheel drive. when it came out it was heralded as a spiritual successor to the BMW 2002. Well, one of these 4 automakers could do the same thing. Take any one of these very capable platforms and slip it under a practical 2-door sedan body. They all would be easy for us home-grown mechanics to work on - how tough would it be to change the spark plugs, oil, air filter, etc., on a front-engine RWD sedan?

It would have plenty of room for us to get us through our everyday chores, offer reasonable gas mileage, and because of their design, probably give us a fuel tank with more than adequate capacity. It would be comfortable to live with everyday, with a decent ride. The room would also be there for us to use the car as a weekend getaway vehicle, or to take on a long trip. This would be an excellent and less costly alternative to the Evo or WRX; I don't need to drive a 4-wheeled hand grenade every day.

The powertrain would provide us with an entertaining ride on the twisties; imagine the crisp gearshift throws and the responsive engine! This car would also make an excellent SCCA weekend racer. And since it wouldn't be seen as a pure sports car by the insurance companies, insurance would probably be reasonable.

Because it's a simple car, it'll be simple to modify. So if we want to install our own stereos, Recaro seats, whatever, all we need is a socket set.

I'd even be happy with a manual sliding steel sunroof instead of a power moonroof, to save complexity and weight. You could even throw front vent windows on it, we all loved those! And with that genuine transmission residing below the gearshift lever, and not just a collection of rods and cables, you can keep an automatic transmission off of the options list!

How enjoyable would this car be?

There is no reason this cannot be done; it could be brought to market for less than $20K, base price. I would personally be thrilled to see this come out with an American nameplate (Pontiac Tempest? Saturn Calypso or Hyperion?)

Bob, please make this happen!

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Old 04-05-2005, 02:44 AM
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so you want a BMW 320i (E90) ? or a Toyota Altezza RS200? ...
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Old 04-05-2005, 04:05 AM
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Yes, in a way. The 3 series has become too heavy, complex, and expensive, at least in the U.S. The Altezza is only available as a 4-door and here in the States, it's a Lexus so it too is pricey.

If you could imagine a Mazda MX-5 Miata in a two-door sedan bodyshell (a usable back seat and a trunk) with a minimum of power features (windows and locks only) and cloth upholstery, you'd be there.

You can't get the BMW so equipped here.

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Old 04-05-2005, 04:49 AM
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basicly a AE86 .. you want a new AE86?
your not the only one..
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Old 04-05-2005, 07:12 AM
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howcome the 320 being more expensive now than before? The new on is less expensive than the former. It has less power to tho, but it's still the nicest car!
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:47 AM
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That's a good idea. The only alternative I can suggest is to get a used BMW.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:21 AM
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or make toyota make a new AE86 ..
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:16 PM
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I don't think Toyota would make the investment, but it would be nice to see them get in this game. The more, the merrier!

Amazingly so, I think GM is best positioned to do a car like this. The Kappa platform is perfect for this car. And it could be produced worldwide. It would make a great Opel or Vauxhall for Europe.

And yes, a used BMW would fit the bill but I'm looking for a powerful 4-cyl car with a minimum of extra equipment. Such a car might be available in Europe, but not in the States. A used 318i just doesn't have the power, and I really don't feel like buying a used car.

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Old 04-05-2005, 12:19 PM
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Here you go automakers, give me a car that does a little bit of most things and does most of them noticeably above-average. Throw in a decent price, attractive and original styling, good fuel efficiency and very high long term quality, and you will find me knocking on your door for many years to come.
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Old 04-05-2005, 04:40 PM
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Quote, originally posted by Santeno »
and you will find me knocking on your door for many years to come.

does that mean you will be constantly taking it in for service?

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