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Old 05-19-2017, 07:49 AM
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What is happening right now will be much worse than 2008-9. There is no I can stop what is about to happen.
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That's a rather accurate assessment of FCA.

With GM ditching Europe, India, and South Africa, something's up. An acquisition of FCA is looking more and more likely.

GM--along with GMDAT if they keep it--has the capacity to give Fiat all the platforms it needs for Europe.

Fiat is stronger in India and South Africa.

GM and Fiat could easily merge their South American operations.

Sure, brands would die instantly, but GM would be the winner and Sergio would be able to retire pretending he made it happen.
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Old 05-21-2017, 07:31 PM
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That's a rather accurate assessment of FCA.

With GM ditching Europe, India, and South Africa, something's up. An acquisition of FCA is looking more and more likely.

GM--along with GMDAT if they keep it--has the capacity to give Fiat all the platforms it needs for Europe.

Fiat is stronger in India and South Africa.

GM and Fiat could easily merge their South American operations.

Sure, brands would die instantly, but GM would be the winner and Sergio would be able to retire pretending he made it happen.
I don't see GM buying FCA, Swiz, at least not now. It just would not make sense for GM to take on their debt and the unbalanced/underutilized production network.

However, if GM wait until FCA declare bankruptcy or are on the brink, then both debtors and governments might be willing to negotiate (does that scenario sound familiar?) - at that point, GM should move.
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..However, if GM wait until FCA declare bankruptcy or are on the brink, then both debtors and governments might be willing to negotiate (does that scenario sound familiar?) - at that point, GM should move.
And that would be an acquisition, right????

We're essentially saying the same thing more or less.

FCA is close to financial implosion as we speak.

Dodge and Chrysler are essentially dead as far as new engineering goes.

Fiat is dead for sales and new engineering.

The Giulia's abysmal quality control and reliability issues have made the resurgence of Alfa Romeo more of an "uh oh" than an "oh yes".

Maserati sales are bolstered by dealers cleaning out stock to use as courtesy cars.

The only bright spots are Jeep and Ram.

GM needs Jeep and it could make use of Ram as well.

Sell the Dodge and Chrysler names to Geely or SAIC/Nanjing and...

I really think GM's reorganization is them being up to something clever.

What would really amuse me would be if GM merged with Toyota.
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I agree we are saying the same thing more or less, only a difference (perhaps) in timing. If I were GM I would avoid FCA's moribund production system as much as possible. Likewise, I would want as much of the debt written off as possible. The only way to make sense of FCA globally would be to allow GM to right size them, and that would be where the Italian government in particular would be a big problem.
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I agree we are saying the same thing more or less, only a difference (perhaps) in timing. If I were GM I would avoid FCA's moribund production system as much as possible. Likewise, I would want as much of the debt written off as possible. The only way to make sense of FCA globally would be to allow GM to right size them, and that would be where the Italian government in particular would be a big problem.
In the FCA corporate architecture Fiat/Lancia/Alfa Romeo/Maserati is a legally separate arm of FCA from the Dodge/Chrysler/Ram/Jeep arm. FCA owns both arms, but the Italian and the American arms were kept separate so that after the Italians had raped Chrysler they could spit out the carcass.

The Italians would probably have a fit if non-Italians owned Fiat/Lancia/Alfa Romeo/Maserati, but would have no qualms selling Dodge/Chrysler/Ram/Jeep to anyone.

The irony is that Jeep and Ram is the only part with any value.
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