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Old 07-17-2020, 11:22 PM
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25 year old engine designs?
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25 year old engine designs?
Genuine question: is there a huge difference in EV engines and battery tech from one manufacturer vs. another (or put a different way, is there as much variation btw manufacturers in EV engine battery tech as there are in ICEs)?

If EV batteries follow the path of essentially all other consumer electronics, there will eventually be only negligble differences.

Infotainment could be one way to distinguish yourself.... except most consumers just want to plug in their mobile device.

So manufacturers are going to have find a way to distinguish themselves. And wrapping their ultimately indistinguishable battery tech in a 25-yr old wrapper isn't going to cut it, IMHO.

The engine in this car may not be 25-yrs old. But there will be absolutely nothing new or interesting about it at all.
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Old 07-18-2020, 02:23 AM
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The batteries are likely based on commodity cells, but the application, implementation, management and drivetrain design would dictate how effective they are.
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I feel like the new 3 series was released not very long ago, what a nondescript and bland looking saloon.

7 series typically heralds the next stage of BMW design, right? I too like the angular C pillar kink and hope the rest of the car follows suit.
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7 series typically heralds the next stage of BMW design, right?
I would say generally yes, from the mid/late 1980s onward.

Bangle (or Van Hooydonk) described BMWs design "problem" from that period quite well awhile ago.... There was nowhere else to go and not really a clear way to advance that design. I mean, in some ways, the really bland designs BMW has currently are more clearly related to the 1990s designs than they were to "Bangle'd" models.
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On another topic, should this have been developed separately from the 7 series and given its own "i" platform and styling?
That's what Mercedes did with the S class/ EQS:
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...an-138859.html
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Who cares this place is a wreck anyway.
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I would say generally yes, from the mid/late 1980s onward.

Bangle (or Van Hooydonk) described BMWs design "problem" from that period quite well awhile ago.... There was nowhere else to go and not really a clear way to advance that design. I mean, in some ways, the really bland designs BMW has currently are more clearly related to the 1990s designs than they were to "Bangle'd" models.
I'd call the infamously bangled E6x 7 series 75% "fresh" some of which was resolved for the redesign. The general shape and proportioning was without much fault, it was more so the styling of the adornments such as the grille, headlamps, etc which were just trying too hard, and that infamous layered tail.

Ah hell, I liked the damn car. The E60 5 series, on the other hand, was Bavaria's Best Pontiac Grand Am.
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The general shape and proportioning was without much fault... [snip]
Ah hell, I liked the damn car. The E60 5 series, on the other hand, was Bavaria's Best Pontiac Grand Am.
I vaguely recall that some 3rd party vendor modified the exterior design of that generation of 7-Series, leading one mag (possibly Robert Cumberford) to opine that the modification were so successful that it indicated that, as you said, the shape and proportions were great but that the detailing really let it down.

You know, I actually really liked that gen of 5-series. Not at first, mind you ("Oh, God, this Bangle guy is really crazy!"). But, again, shape and proportion were good, and aside from fussy details (like the weird headlight "eyebrows" that extended to the side), it has aged well.

In fact, all of the Bangle'd designs have aged well (or, at least, don't look any worse than they did upon introduction), IMHO, and were very influential in later designs from other car manufacturers, so I gotta give the guy credit.

This i7, OTOH, seems a little sad and droopy to me.
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Old 07-18-2020, 11:40 PM
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I like the original E90 a lot, chrome mustache and all.
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