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Old 07-04-2020, 10:38 AM
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My understanding is that the Japanese auto makers in the 80s and 90s would usually do a complete new body w/ the same platform every 4 yrs and update the platform every 8 yrs. I don't think that's been the case for at least the past 10 or so yrs (and some Toyota platforms used just b/f TNGA dated back to the 90s, IIRC).
Camry chassis dated back to 2002, heavily reworked around 2006. The previous platform dated back to the 80s.
4runner's Prado frame dates back to around 2002 and is still around and kicking. The tacoma is an open frame rail variation of this (knowledge benefit of having one of each in the driveway ;)) Before that the international/hilux chassis dated back to the 80s.
Corolla chassis was new for 2013

That covers most of it. Close to your point, they almost the 90s indeed and before that they dated back to the 80s.

Can't argue with the success garnered across the lineup and general longevity.

Honda goes full redesign for each generation, and the result is much more appealing products (for the middle aged dad-bellies of C&D) but longevity may not always be the best but its still pretty good.
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Old 07-04-2020, 08:56 PM
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Honda goes full redesign for each generation, and the result is much more appealing products (for the middle aged dad-bellies of C&D) but longevity may not always be the best but its still pretty good.
Just a brief off topic.... The reliability of Honda appears to be going down. Surveys in Consumer Reports and JD Power (both Initial Quality and 3-year Dependability) both show that Honda is, at best, average in reliability (JD Power actually shows Honda as being below average). I think Hondas continue to sell well b/c they have the reputation (well deserved in the past) of being reliable and b/c the cars themselves are very good in terms of driving, functionality, fit and finish.

Toyota had been making very reliable cars, but it will be interesting to see how they fare w/ the TNGA platform. Their ranking in the 2020 Initial Quality was not impressive, and the current-gen RAV4 is "only" of average reliability.
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Old 07-06-2020, 08:32 AM
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Why 2004? Referring to the second-gen Durango? The first two generations were body-on-frame up until 2009. The 2011 is unibody.
Indeed; IRC, this shares the platform with the Grand Cherokee, which means it also shares most of it's bones with the recently replaced Mercedes ML/GLE - the W166 generation (a deal dating back into the last days of Daimler Chrysler, and finalized many years later); SO actually not that bad or ancient....

That said, I don't get the obsession with "all new platform", especially in smaller bread and butter cars, where the mechanical setup hardly changes/improves anyway; Let's be honest, in the C sgement you noawdays mostly get a slightly lighter new platform that trades a tiny fuel tank and the previous generation's IRS for a torsion beam, so " all new" doesn't even necessarily mean an upgrade. In general, if there is nothing wrong (like serious crash test issues), and current engine tech and assist systems can be implemented, I don#t really care of the anchor point for a McPhersion strut has been moved by 20mm in some direction, 99% of the drivers won#t tell a massive difference anyway...

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