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Old 05-03-2012, 08:45 PM
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Default Hyundai, BMW engine talks

Hyundai is rumored to talk with BMW about possible engine tie-up. See the latest news here:

http://www.hyundai-blog.com/hyundai-...liance-rumored
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Perfect tie up as would be a BMW/Genesis platform sharing link up.
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because all anybody can read now is how much better the jenesis handles over the BMW
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because all anybody can read now is how much better the jenesis handles over the BMW
Don't put words in my mouth. The obvious point that anyone could see is the economies of scale would be beneficial should BMW/Hyundai look beyond engines. The Genesis will not be priced in the 5 Series' range anytime soon, but the Genesis will increase sales over time. Anyone can see that. There is no reason the Mini and a future Accent could not share a platform.
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And BMW would want to subsidize the development of a value competitor's platform why, exactly?
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And BMW would want to subsidize the development of a value competitor's platform why, exactly?
Quite simply: PROFIT. BMW could make a LOT more money off the Mini it it were Accent based and the Accent would take a quantum leap in handling were it to be co-developed. As for Genesis, BMW buyers aren't going to running to the Hyundai lot and Genesis will likely be seen as a step below for quite some time, but again economies of scale would argue in favor of co-development. As BMW looks to increase its CAFE a CUV or two codeveloped on a Hyundai platform could make a lot of sense. When the Chinese decide to go past their borders and sell cars worldwide they will not be content to stay away from luxury and yes the automotive bigots will sneer as they sneer at Hyundai, Cadillac, and even Lexus as not being at the BMW/Mercedes level, but people will vote with their wallets as they already do. A multi-level company like VW has a much better chance of surviving the Chinese wave than a single-level (i.e. only premium) brand like BMW. I've always thought that a BMW/Honda cooperation could have lots of synergies, but with Hyundai on game....
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You can't just throw two companies together because you like them.



There's no reason for any of those companies to partner up.
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Quite simply: PROFIT. BMW could make a LOT more money off the Mini it it were Accent based and the Accent would take a quantum leap in handling were it to be co-developed. As for Genesis, BMW buyers aren't going to running to the Hyundai lot and Genesis will likely be seen as a step below for quite some time, but again economies of scale would argue in favor of co-development. As BMW looks to increase its CAFE a CUV or two codeveloped on a Hyundai platform could make a lot of sense. When the Chinese decide to go past their borders and sell cars worldwide they will not be content to stay away from luxury and yes the automotive bigots will sneer as they sneer at Hyundai, Cadillac, and even Lexus as not being at the BMW/Mercedes level, but people will vote with their wallets as they already do. A multi-level company like VW has a much better chance of surviving the Chinese wave than a single-level (i.e. only premium) brand like BMW. I've always thought that a BMW/Honda cooperation could have lots of synergies, but with Hyundai on game....

You contradict yourself in saying that Genesis will be seen as inferior for quite some time, and then going on to say that people vote with their wallets (i.e. value shop) in this segment, implying that a Genesis on a BMW-developed platform would indeed steal sales from a more expensive BMW model and negating any reason they may have to cooperate with them.
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Quite simply: PROFIT. BMW could make a LOT more money off the Mini it it were Accent based and the Accent would take a quantum leap in handling were it to be co-developed. As for Genesis, BMW buyers aren't going to running to the Hyundai lot and Genesis will likely be seen as a step below for quite some time, but again economies of scale would argue in favor of co-development. As BMW looks to increase its CAFE a CUV or two codeveloped on a Hyundai platform could make a lot of sense. When the Chinese decide to go past their borders and sell cars worldwide they will not be content to stay away from luxury and yes the automotive bigots will sneer as they sneer at Hyundai, Cadillac, and even Lexus as not being at the BMW/Mercedes level, but people will vote with their wallets as they already do. A multi-level company like VW has a much better chance of surviving the Chinese wave than a single-level (i.e. only premium) brand like BMW. I've always thought that a BMW/Honda cooperation could have lots of synergies, but with Hyundai on game....
Hahahaha! But what if the Mini would be the one to take a quantum FALL in handling? It better end the way you're predicting it but still I could only see this as a win-win situation for Hyundai, not BMW
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You can't just throw two companies together because you like them.
There's no reason for any of those companies to partner up.
I'm not a BMW fan. BMW and Hyundai ARE partnering up in the near future.

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You contradict yourself in saying that Genesis will be seen as inferior for quite some time, and then going on to say that people vote with their wallets (i.e. value shop) in this segment, implying that a Genesis on a BMW-developed platform would indeed steal sales from a more expensive BMW model and negating any reason they may have to cooperate with them.
No contradiction at all. It's called a dichotomy...go look it up. Brand snobs will continue to see the Genesis as inferior. They're like Car and Driver. The BMW can be less than the best but it always wins. People who are not car snobs--especially ones that are return buyers to Hyundai--are more likely to move up to a Genesis rather than jump to BMW. The Genesis sells at $35-45K and the 5 Series is easily $20K higher on the lot. But hey, keep whistling past the graveyard.
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