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Superfresa
08-16-2006, 05:03 PM
Somebody in the family is currently wanting to buy a new 4X4. They need a proper 4X4 but are not too concerned about size. They currently own a Mitsubishi Pajero iO, the tiny little silly compact 4X4...<p><br>anyway, they now need to tow and they're looking into a proper diesel 4X4, with a manual transmission.<p>Choices so far are Toyota Prado Diesel, Nissan Patrol 3.0 Diesel, Mitsubishi Pajero DiD, and Jeep Cherokee/Liberty CRD.<p>Whats the go?<p>Efficiency and durability are the priority of the day....<br>

anonms
08-16-2006, 05:07 PM
No Land Rover?<p>The Jeeps and the Prado should be the better of the bunch.

Superfresa
08-16-2006, 05:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No Land Rover?<p>The Jeeps and the Prado should be the better of the bunch.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It doesn't suit their needs so I wont advice them to get one. I advised them on the Liberty/Cherokee.

Naga Royal Guard
08-16-2006, 07:33 PM
prado w/ a manual, oh no not in the states<p>i hate toyota for this

Hornbag
08-16-2006, 08:11 PM
Wouldn't buy a Cherokee is my life depened on it. A friend of the family has a red diesel one, and it's the most unreliable POS. A Grand Cherokee would be more temtping though.<p>IMO the Patrol is a heavy brick., it's boring and is past it. So that comes down to either the Pardo or Pajero. Either are great, and I know people with either car and nothing has ever faulted them. I'm not 100% sure, but the Pajero when I last looked had a more powerful and "better" engine that the Prado?

CosworthKid
08-16-2006, 08:50 PM
Best one would be the Prado and the Pajero. But the Patrol is so much cheaper, is a real tough working horse and seems to be a favourite among proffesions who need tough traditional 4x4's in Australia

Superfresa
08-16-2006, 10:24 PM
Patrol aint any more boring than a Prado, hate to say it, Hornbag. What issues have you had with the Cherokee?<p>The size of the cherokee seems more conveniant for them, but they are sold for Toyota's reliability excuse. Then again, they seemed interested in the Cherokee when I mentioned it.<p>They might keep away from the Pajero though - their Pajero iO (which BTW is the worst car I've ever driven, probably) had several troubles and because its also called a Pajero they are a bit blind to it at the moment....<p>Any other half reasonable options out there?

Hornbag
08-16-2006, 11:46 PM
At least the styling of the Prado has some vitality and is Europian inspired, unlike the block Patrol that needs a major redesign IMO. And while the Prado wouldn't be the last word in handeling finess, I'm sure it would outhandle the dynamicly numb Patrol. That's two points that make the Prado somewhat more exciting and less boring.<p>As for the Cherokee. While they aren't my issues, not my car, the quality inside is horrific. Bits just seem to fall off and crack, especially around the centre console. Not sure how many times, but the car has been taken back several times for an annoying noise/rattle under the bonnet. Not fixed yet. There are heaps of little problems with the car (wipers don't work, light inside doesn't work etc), but they all add up. Not my car so it's not really my problem, but after hearing about this, and seeing the crap quality, just put me off the car.

scorpio14
08-17-2006, 12:57 AM
According to Wheels August 06 issue (pg161) they say the Toyota Prado will be getting a updated Turbo diesel engine in December.... so if they are thinking Prado i'd say wait till then coz the current TD is underpowered and old. <p>

Hornbag
08-17-2006, 04:58 AM
New Pajero (well facelift, well a new model?) is out soon too if they wanted to check that out if they deceide to give the Pajero name another try?

evomk8
08-17-2006, 07:20 AM
Since they are not to concerned about size they may want to consider the 2-door short-wheelbase Pajero that Mitsu Australia is planning to bring back to your local market...

CosworthKid
08-17-2006, 08:13 AM
Isnt there a money concern over this as well Superfresa? I mean the Prado vs Patrol for example; big price difference between the two. So if they want something to "just do the job" then why shell out all the extra $'s for a Prado {since Pajero is out of the question u said}. In any way id pick one of those two Japanese cars and skip the Jeep

Superfresa
08-17-2006, 04:43 PM
The Mitsu isn't totally out of the question, I dont think. But I do think they want their 4 doors.<p>They dont care about interior quality. They have a Pajero iO anyway, even the Jeep would be an upgrade...<p>Base Patrol 3.0D is 45k, base Prado D 46k, Cherokee Renegade 6 Manual CRD, 39K. Pajero DiD, 45K.<p>Price wise, they are all pretty similar, but Cherokee is about 7K less expensive and the engine is way more refined, which they care a whole lot more about than interior.<p>Patrol, however is the best offroader here, no match. Where Pajero seems to lack a bit.<p>Whilst Prado does represent a whole lot better value for money and they come from owning two lemons, so its probably better to play it safe with Patrol or Pajero, both with good reliability.<p>I know that if it was my money, I'd probably get the Nissan, despite the silly 4X4 system, and the ancient 3L Diesel - but its IMO the best value for money, and the best offroader, and the most heavy duty.<p>I dont think they're keen to wait arround till december for a new Prado, or even a month or two for a new Pajero. In fact they are also looking in the barely used 4X4 market, which would rule out the Cherokee, as the 6 speed manual is new and they need a manual. But if they can get a new cherokee at the same price than a year old Prado, or Patrol....

CosworthKid
08-17-2006, 06:25 PM
With a new Pajero around the corner, Mitsubishi should start HEAVILY discounting the Pajero since the next gen looks bloody identical as well. Thats also apparently the case in UK as well. So dont be hasty, shop around for prices <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
08-18-2006, 12:56 AM
Hey what about the new Pathfinder... aint that good... and i know the TD is more powerful then these mentioned. Pricing of the TD version starts at $45grand to $59grand fa the Ti version.

ToyotaFreak
08-18-2006, 04:24 AM
Another SUV to consider would be the "Just Released In Australia" SssangYong Rexton II.<p>Sat in the previous model & I liked it. The new one should be better, especially in the inside & mechanically. The new version comes with their new "Thumbs Up Manual Shift"function mounted on the steering wheel & side of the gearshifter.

Superfresa
08-18-2006, 05:20 AM
Pathie looks like a good option too. I really like it, because its a copy of a Land Rover design, just like Nissan likes to do. Ahem. Anyway, I love its design. Looks like a very worthy competitor but I'm not sure about its offroad credentials....<p>Ditto for the SSangyong, except I dont think the Ssangyong has any offroad credentials at all... and I dont know about servicing....

ToyotaFreak
08-18-2006, 05:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Ditto for the SSangyong, except I dont think the Ssangyong has any offroad credentials at all... and I dont know about servicing....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The SsangYong Rexton is a quite capable off-roader (It's not a soft-roader.), and reliability isn't an issue as most Rexton owners in Malaysia are quite satisfied with their cars 4 years after its introduction there. Servicing would be another issue (But not a major one.) in Australia as the dealer network is still small (At least it is in WA.).<p><A HREF="http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/newrexton_specifications.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ssangyongaustralia.....html</A>

Superfresa
08-18-2006, 07:13 PM
It is a major issue because they are outdoors kinda people and they go everywhere in Australia....<p><br>So that kind rules out the Jeep as well I suppose..... I think the Pathie and the Pajero are looking good....