View Full Version : 3MP Digital Camera - Need Help :-)

03-03-2005, 01:30 PM
Hi, I'm in the market for a new digital camera and would like some advice in finding a good one:<p>Alrighty, story first:<p>I currently own a Canon S230, a great little point and shoot camera with many cool features. Yesterday, I had discovered the LCD screen is broken (from the inside), very <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> I can still take pictures and transfer them onto my computer, but that's about it, kind of defeats the whole purpose of digital cameras (at least most). Bottom line, I can't view anything on my camera's screen anymore. The LCD screen is made by Sony and the replacement cost is not cheap so I decided to go ahead and look for a new one.<p>As I only take pictures lesiurely, nothing serious to warrant a professional digital camera, so I'd like to stay in the 3MP range.<p>I had done some research so far, but very limited, the only extensive research I did was on Canon, and what I found was the SD200, very similar to the S230 (except smaller in size but has a larger LCD screen), price range anywhere from 220-300 (USD) on pricegrabber.com<p>However, as I am not in a rush, I'd like to cross shop a little bit and find the best deal; and since I don't have much knowledge in this field, could you guys please offer me based on what you know about 3MP digital cameras, which one do you think is the best and why. Thanks in advance for your help - I will be checking in (this thread) as often as I can for your responses <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

03-03-2005, 01:50 PM
I recomend Pentax:<p><A HREF="http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/cameras/digital/optio_point_shoot/index.jsp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pentaximaging.com/p...x.jsp</A><p>I own one and IMO for the money they are the best point and shoot digital camera's you can buy. No akward control buttons (as canons tend to have) and the most reliable digital camera I've owned. very goo battery life (even on regular AA's). check them out.

03-03-2005, 04:29 PM
check out <A HREF="http://www.dpreview.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dpreview.com</A> for comparisons, reviews etc. <p>Personally, I'd stick with Canon. You can use the same Compact Flash storage card. and the buttons will be familiar. And I love my Canon G1.<p>3mp is about the lowest resolution you can get these days, so there's plenty of choice for low bucks.

03-03-2005, 04:39 PM
thanks pcread and Santeno for your recommendation, I've looked into both sites you guys provided and they have been very helpful so far <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>one of the problems is what pcread mentioned, as the 3mp is the lowest resolutions out there (and I don't need anything higher than that, I don't think), there are so many choices out there (ex. pentax, canon, nikon, etc), I am having a tough time figuring it out where to start, as far as cross shopping is concerned<p>and the other thing is that I still don't get how the LCD screen can brake from the inside, it is the weirdest thing - maybe it's a conspiracy<p>keep the recommendations coming, all are great and big ups to all the help so far...thanks!!

03-03-2005, 04:50 PM
I myself prefer Olymous digital cameras, they've been the best to me in bettery life, wear and tear, and quality<p>I currently use two Olympus cameras, an Olympus D580 (about $180 US, 4.0 MP, 3x optical, 4x digital) and the other an Olympus C740, (About $300 US, 3.2 MP, 10x opti, 3x digi, professional style)<p>If you have a good computer store (Fry's superstore or Best Buy) near you I'd go to the store, and familiarize yourself with what's there, for how much, and what kind of sales the store has (If you have a Fry's superstore they should have ads come out every friday, check those often, you can get some great deals that way)<p>But I've personally torn through a number of digicams (I think I'm on my 4th and 5th cameras since 98) and find that the two non-Olympus cameras I've had (Vivitar and I forget the other one) haven't live up to the same level the others have, but I have not tried any other name brands like Kodak or Canon yet, so that's an opinion you have to form yourself.

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03-03-2005, 04:51 PM
i agree w/ pcread, would suck to have storage media that you no longer use and have to buy a new type

03-03-2005, 05:01 PM
I would go with Canon or Nikon. Personally I like Canon, but I'm biased. Both of the two are really well respected manufacturers, and from my experience you can't beat either of them. If not one of those two I would look at Olympus, but thats only after looking at Canon and Nikon. I haven't been looking at point and shoots lately though, so I couldn't tell you much about whats out there now. But as for a camera to stay away from, watch out for Kodak. I have one and while it hasn't been awful, it drains batteries and isn't the best at anything. They don't cost much though, but there are better cameras for not much more.

03-03-2005, 05:17 PM
I was shopping for a 3-megapixel camera around last October because I was getting pissed at the horrendous 30 minute to one hour battery life of my Canon S100 where I have bought two new batteries that dies down to that horrible level in two to three uses.<p>I recommend buying a camera that accepts AA or AAA batteries. You can still use rechargables and if the rechargables run out while you're away and you've got no more charged batteries, you can pop in two or four alkalines and take more pictures. <p>I highly recommend the Nikon CoolPix 3200. It's loads kinda slowly and, if the flash is on, there's quite a wait before you can take another picture. However, it's easy to use and it's very compact, though larger than a Digital ELPH. I got mine off of Amazon.com for about $180.<p>I also recommend either the Canon A510. It's relatively compact and it's got more optical zoom that comprable cameras. Amazon.com sells it for $200.<p>Unless you don't care that Memory Sticks are obscenely priced (Sony products are already over-priced to an extent, but Memory Sticks make Sony's other products look downright cheap), Sony cameras are quite good. They're fast and quite good. <p>

03-03-2005, 05:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Unless you don't care that Memory Sticks are obscenely priced (Sony products are already over-priced to an extent, but Memory Sticks make Sony's other products look downright cheap), Sony cameras are quite good. They're fast and quite good. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats what the salesman said but we found memorysticks the same price as compact flash at cuicut city the same day we bought our camara. It is pretty good but its 5.2MP. I remmember also looking at a nikon, it was great but bulky so we went with the sony

03-03-2005, 05:41 PM
wow...you guys are great...prompt also, I might add.<p>Okay, I guess I can narrow it down a little bit, after reading all of your comments:<p>Sony - I have always had sony products (VAIO, Minidisc, Clie, etc), but I do find the price to be a little on the high side, so is the memory stick price, although cameras look nice and styling, unfortuanetly I will have to let it go...sorry <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Kodak - yes we've all heard about kodak's problems, and I constantly hear about kodak's woes since I am in rochester often, it's corp headquarter (I even took a few business classes taught by ex-kodak employees, back in my college days), long story short, I am staying away from Kodak, and with some personal reasons I prefer not to share <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So, that leave me with Canon, Pentax, Olympus, Nikon, which still leaves a lot of room for discussions...fire away <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Also, any other brands people here would recommend?<p>(chibi ichigo, I agree with you on the battery issue on canon, but I would still like a camera with rechargeable battery)

03-03-2005, 05:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(chibi ichigo, I agree with you on the battery issue on canon, but I would still like a camera with rechargeable battery)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Okeedokee, although rechargable AA and AAAs do exist.

03-03-2005, 05:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chibi ichigo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Okeedokee, although rechargable AA and AAAs do exist.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks but the problem I have is that wouldn't you have to buy a another batter charger thing, b/c camera itself can't charge batteries, can they?<p>my s230 came with nithium-ion (sp?), I think, and also included was a neat little rechargeable box that can be plugged into any outlet <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

03-03-2005, 06:33 PM
Check out <A HREF="http://www.bhphotovideo.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bhphotovideo.com</A>. They have a huge selection and really good prices. They also have good service if you buy from them. I got my photo backpack from them and they've been sending me their catalog ever since, but they do have a good selection with good prices.<p>*You might also want to check out <A HREF="http://www.adorama.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.adorama.com</A>. They're another photo/video sales powerhouse with similar selection and prices. They also have an article about batteries on the main page since there's been so much talk about them.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Redline at 9:06 PM 3/3/2005</i>

03-03-2005, 09:33 PM
I think I am going to go to the stores Redline & Andre (thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) suggested and get some "perspectives" in person, reading them online is one thing, trying them out is the best practice <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I will probably go this weekend, hoping I can get some free time and also go for a nice drive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>In the mean time, keep those posts coming, "two heads is always better than one" (in this case, all of CSS members is always better than by myself alone) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

03-04-2005, 07:54 AM
i currently use a nikon coolpix 3100, which is just under 100 in the uk, but im not sure what it is in U.S dollars. Or you could spend about 30 more (again I'm not sure in U.S dollars) for sound movie. I find nikons incredibly easy to use, and the layout of the buttons is perfect. The one problem is that they're a bit small, but I think they're amazing. I carry mine everywhere, so the size is a good thing. the bad thing is that the battery life only lasts about an hour, but its fine for me. They're a bit slow, but, they're definietly worth it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

03-04-2005, 08:16 AM
check what's available at your local discount warehouse (Sam's club or costco). they usually have a few models at steep discounts (even if you have to buy the store membership to buy it).

03-04-2005, 12:59 PM
Okay...here is the list I came up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>All are current products (as published on manufactuers' websites) and under $300<p>Canon - SD200 (IXUS 30), A400, A510<br><A HREF="http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=113" TARGET="_blank">http://consumer.usa.canon.com/...d=113</A><p>Nikon - Coolpix 3200, 3700<br><A HREF="http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2</A><p>Pentax - Optio 30, S4i<br><A HREF="http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/cameras/digital/optio_point_shoot/index.jsp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pentaximaging.com/p...x.jsp</A><p>Olympus - Stylus 300, D395, D535, D540, D575<br><A HREF="http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_digital.asp?CMP=ILC-homedigital" TARGET="_blank">http://www.olympusamerica.com/...gital</A><p>From the above, which one do you think offer the best value?<p>And, any other recommendations? Other manufactuers?<p>PS: I'm going over to a bunch of stores tommorrow and go check them out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

03-04-2005, 04:05 PM
Pretty good list. I'd look at the Canon 510. I believe it costs a little more but its pretty good. But I'm really biased, so I'd check them all out, especially if you can find them in person. At least that way you can get a feel for it. Ultimately its your own decision to make though, you're the one whos going to be stuck with it.

03-04-2005, 09:36 PM
I'm gonna agree with the Canon A510. Sorry, but the price to features ratio on that thing is just amazing. I do love the size of my Elph, but I'm thinking about giving it up (anyone want a heavily abused S500?) for something from that line - waiting for at least 7MP, though. The A510 accepts a slave flash, and conversion lenses, which gives room to grow.<p>Glad to hear that you are actually checking them out. I know too many people who have ordered cameras from catalogs that take great pictures only to never use them, because they don't like the way they fit their hands.<p>One last thing, and I hate to be an elitist, but look at the bottom of the camera when you check them out. If it says "Made in Japan" on it, then you are getting somethig that probably has a superior build quality. These companies are all Japanese, and take pride in their domoestically manufactured products. I'm not sure if anything in this price class would be, but you might find yourself pleasantly surprised.

03-04-2005, 10:10 PM
I have further narrowed the list, to two per each manfactuer:<p>Models dropped: Canon A400, Olympus Stylus 300, D395, D540 (Olympus had the most to start off and I wanted to limit to two per each, nothing personal, mostly b/c some of the models were too similar, IMO)<p><B>New list</B><p>Canon:<br>Canon - SD200 (IXUS 30), A510<br><A HREF="http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=113" TARGET="_blank">http://consumer.usa.canon.com/...d=113</A><p>Nikon - Coolpix 3200, 3700<br><A HREF="http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2</A><p>Pentax - Optio 30, S4i<br><A HREF="http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/cameras/digital/optio_point_shoot/index.jsp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pentaximaging.com/p...x.jsp</A><p>Olympus - D535, D575<br><A HREF="http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_digital.asp?CMP=ILC-homedigital" TARGET="_blank">http://www.olympusamerica.com/...gital</A><p>BTW, another question, what's the main difference between Canon PowerShot A series and S/SD series? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> I know I have owned a S230 for quite some time now but I have never bother to check, it was a gift...thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I will be checking out these eight cameras later store in some of the local electronics stores, until then, keep your reponses and further recommendations coming, thanks to all of them so far <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

03-04-2005, 10:13 PM
syclone and redline, thanks for the suggestion. I have looked into the A510, compare it to the SD200, specs are very similar, though it is a lot cheaper, I guess it's because the camera is bigger and weighs more and less stylus than the SD200 (perhaps?)<p>of course I have yet to figure out the difference between the A series and the SD/S Series, question addressed in the previous post <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

03-05-2005, 02:56 AM
Difference is the capabilities, wht each camera has to offer.<p>Between the two that you've Chosen:<p>The A series has Better optical zoom but that's about the only thing it has over the SD. The SD has a larger LCDscreen, and a good lense. So despite the fact the zoom isn't as good as the A series, The SD should have a better image quality, and should bea bit easier to use the functions (especially for old those of us who are far sighted)<p>Here is a comparison of the little things each camera has:<p>SD200:<br><A HREF="http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelFeaturesAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=10595#f0" TARGET="_blank">http://consumer.usa.canon.com/...95#f0</A><p>A510:<br><A HREF="http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelFeaturesAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=11086#f0" TARGET="_blank">http://consumer.usa.canon.com/...86#f0</A><p>Hope this helps a little

03-05-2005, 02:14 PM
Andre, your help is appreciated very much...thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>alright...just got back from numerous stores (best buys, j & r, b & h, etc), I was able to get a full "test drive" of all eight cameras I had listed in my new test, and I am very satisfied with all of them, which in a good way would create a lot of problems later on when I really need to make a decision.<p>On a side note, I was very surprised by Olympus cameras, they were really nice, and not as expensive as Canons, styling looked nice as well. Thanks andre for suggesting Olympus <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>All in all, as I said before, Canon, Olympus, Pentax, and Nikon were all top notch, in their own repsective class. As I have a fairly good ideas now about each of the eight, I will be trying to pick out the one that has offers the most (price, styling, usefulness, battery, etc), and I would like your input as well so please provide me with your thoughts...thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>below is my new list for your reference:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>New list</B><p>Canon:<br>Canon - SD200 (IXUS 30), A510<br><A HREF="http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=113" TARGET="_blank">http://consumer.usa.canon.com/...d=113</A><p>Nikon - Coolpix 3200, 3700<br><A HREF="http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2</A><p>Pentax - Optio 30, S4i<br><A HREF="http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/cameras/digital/optio_point_shoot/index.jsp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pentaximaging.com/p...x.jsp</A><p>Olympus - D535, D575<br><A HREF="http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_digital.asp?CMP=ILC-homedigital" TARGET="_blank">http://www.olympusamerica.com/...gital</A></TD></TR></TABLE>

03-05-2005, 04:03 PM
The Nikons are suprisingly good, but so are the Canons. The others are okay and strongly oriented for your basic shooter, but it looks like Nikon and Canon have the best features and good zoom that uses plenty of optical and not as much digital. It looks like the Canons have the most adaptive autofocus with 9 zone metering while the others have just 7 zone or don't say. But I'd look over the specs sheet at the features because these are all pretty close cameras. Overall it will be your priorities that determine which will be the best for you.

03-05-2005, 04:31 PM
They are all good cameras, and will serve you well. One thing I would like to note, however, is that the Canon models are both brand new models that just hit the market, while the two Nikons have been around forever. In fact Nikon is basically replacing the 3200 with the physically similar 4600 coming out in a month or two that will offer 4MP at the same price. If having something that won't be replaced right away is important to you, then you might want to stay away from the Nikons, or wait for the 4600. If not, the 3200 is a proven camera that has gotten many good reviews over the years. In the end, I think you've put together a pretty strong list - good luck!

03-05-2005, 09:47 PM
I know you ilimated the Sony, but i will stick by my sony digital camera!<p>But out of that list, go Pentax or Olympus. My mum used to have a pentax, and my nan used to have an olympis. Then we all got Sonys!<p>They had no problems with them at all, except when mum dropped hers and broke the lenz. (smashed on the corner of concrete)<p>The sales person recomended the sony's, and told us to stay away from the cannons?

03-05-2005, 10:44 PM
Thank you redline, syclone & hornbag, your expertise and comments are well appreciated.<p>Nikons & Canons have always been on top of my list, starting from the very begining. Between the two brands, Canon, espeically the SD200, is pratically a brand new product, as compared to the Nikon Coolpix 3200, as syclone mentioned, has been there forever, although the new 4700 sounds exciting (i am not in a rush, but a month or two maybe pushing it a little bit <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>Pentax and Olympus are defn. the cheaper ones, compared the the above two, while still offering very much similar features as Nikons and Canons. Although the styling and Nikons and espeically Canons are the best of the bunch, IMO, the price makes a worthy point to still consider <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Hornbag, I've eliminated Sony b/c they are on the more expensive side, I know they are very good (I own pratically everything made by Sony <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ), but the price range for Canon (being at the top of the list as far as price is concerned) is as high as I would go <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>To be continued...in the mean time, please keep your comments and recommendations coming, I thank all who have dropped your 2 cents so far <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </B>

03-06-2005, 09:20 AM
I was looking in the newspaper this morning for projectors since we are making our own home theater and i saw a lot of good deals on the camaras your looking at, might want to check them out

03-06-2005, 09:25 AM
which newspaper? the inserts inside of the newspaper?

03-06-2005, 02:34 PM
yea the inserts, Like the little brochures for circuit city or best buy. You can probably see thses things on their websites anyway

03-06-2005, 03:26 PM
Stick with Canon. Think of all the batteries/compact flash cards you can use with the new camera and not have to waste money on the other types of battery and memory

03-06-2005, 08:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>boston</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stick with Canon. Think of all the batteries/compact flash cards you can use with the new camera and not have to waste money on the other types of battery and memory</TD></TR></TABLE><br>All new Digital ELPHs new different batteries now. His S230 battery won't work with an A510 or an SD200.<p>Canons use SD cards now, too.

03-06-2005, 08:22 PM
anonms is correct (hey you changed your name <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ), the rechargeable lithuim-ion battery i have now on my S230 is useless, the SD200 and A510 both comes with new batteries and new chargers, although I did have compact flash so that should come useful...so yes I am leaning toward Canon, although a bit expensive than others, the styling and the design is incredible, IMO, and the SD200 is one of the smallest cameras out there, and it has a 2'' LCD display <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

03-06-2005, 10:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anonms is correct (hey you changed your name <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I merely reverted back to what I had been using in the past...

03-10-2005, 06:38 AM
As a semi-professional photographer (I run a side business shooting kid portraits), I would caution that you get what you pay for. The Canon Digital Rebel is a low cost SLR which means massive lens interchangeability for about $900. If 2k is what can be spent then I'd move up to the Canon D20. I favor Canon because I think they offer more for the price than Nikon, BUT Nikon certainly is a winner as well. IF an SLR is not needed then the Canon G1 is a great machine. I used to be a huge Pentax user but Canon and Nikon have pretty much eclipsed them and Minolta. I sold off most of my Pentax equipment keeping only a K1000 and an ME. The ONE thing that I dislike about digitals is the lag time from when you push the button to when it shoots. Non SLR cheapie digitals are terrible in this respect. This is why I still use film for shooting kids because I can shoot in real time. I take my color 35mm to Walmart and have them burn a CD and I have them in an hour. My 6x4.5 and 6x7cm negatives get scanned. A scanned 35mm negative still produces more megapixels than even the high end digitals. The theoretical limit for 35mm resolution is 27 megapixels. The medium format scans are 3x that. My Canon digital gets used for older kids that can sit still so that the lag issue is not a part of the equation. The Canon D20 is a great machine and I think the Nikon D70 (I think thats the name) is an equally fine machine. Stay away from the Pentax ist*D. It costs as much and sometimes more than the Canon and Nikon mentioned and does not perform as well. I wanted to like it, but the Nikon and especially the Canon run circles around it.

03-10-2005, 06:47 AM
thanks for your thoughful reply and professional review/help <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>You make a great point about Canon and I am leaning toward that way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I will probably buy it in the next week or so, unless something happens, I will let you guys know what I bought.<p>I will take a picture of my new camera when I get it. Wait, is that possible <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Oh I know, I will use my old camera to do it, there we go <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

03-10-2005, 07:36 AM
or use a mirror :)

03-12-2005, 10:54 PM
Hi there,<p>I was browsing thru and read this forum. Digital cameras are fascinating and it's also one of my hobbies. You might want to browse to <A HREF="http://www.dpreview.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dpreview.com</A> to get more info. The site have a lot of reviews (done professionally) and the forums there will help you as the forums deal exclusively with digital cameras and the works. My favorites are Nikon and Canon. Have both cameras.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

03-14-2005, 05:25 AM
take the nikon.....I've had no problems with mine despite the fact that I have droppedd my camera down the stairs, on the pavement, on hard stone floors, and pretty much every surface possible.....and it produces fantastic results......<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> Nikon Rules <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

03-15-2005, 10:09 AM
do you have a specific model in mind?<p>here is what i have on the canon sd200,<p>the cheapest price i found on the net, it's a trusted store - <A HREF="http://www.beachcamera.com/shop/product.asp?ref=dealtime&sku=CNPSSD200" TARGET="_blank">http://www.beachcamera.com/sho...SD200</A>

03-15-2005, 11:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you have a specific model in mind?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Either of the nikons would be great, personally, I use the nikon 3100, although it is a bit dated now...my friend has the 5100, and that is amazing, and I've heard many positive things about the 3200, and I've "taken a test drive" of it, and it seems very simple to use....the best thing that I find with nikons, is that the buttons are so thoughtfully laid out

03-17-2005, 10:56 AM
thanks for the suggestion...i'll look into it when i get a chance this weekend.<p>probably by the end of the month, I will finally buy my new digital camera <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

03-24-2005, 12:10 AM
That is a great price on that SD200. I got mine for Christmas and it was $250 shipped. You say that you have compact flash with your other camera, but I didn't think that you could use compact flash with the SD200. I was under the impression that you could only use SD memory. If I can use compact flash, that will make me very happy, cause its much cheaper. I got the SD200 because I wanted something really small that I could put in my pocket and could take ok pictures with (nothing professional). I'm still blown away by this camera. I absolutely love it. I talked with everyone I know and to several so called experts before I decided on one. I was considering a minolta because it had similar features for less money, but I was told that for the money, this camera is worth it. I've had very good battery life in this camera and its a relatively simple camera to use. Let me know if you find out anything else about using compactflash memory with it.

03-24-2005, 06:11 AM
Thanks for the comment, rymanrph...my reasons for getting this camera is very similar to yours <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And yes, I am pretty set on the SD200, so hopefully I will remember to buy it soon <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I am not sure if the camera takes compact flash, I doubt it, but don't quote on me <br>

03-26-2005, 01:08 AM
knicks,<p>if you haven't bought it yet, check out <A HREF="http://www.pricegrabber.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pricegrabber.com</A> to find the cheapest online retailer for pretty much anything. I buy all of my electronics by checking prices there, always find stuff MUCH cheaper than places like best buy, circuit city, good guys, and even costco... in fact, I received today my new canon digital rebel xt, can't wait to try it out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Alex

03-26-2005, 11:33 AM
no i haven't yet...and yes thanks for the link...I will check it out...and I have been using these pricing websites, one of the other ones I've been using is shopping.com, used to be dealtime.com, I think. Anyways, thanks again, congrats on your rebel...i hope to get my new camera soon, if I remember to buy it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

03-30-2005, 08:15 AM
Okay I finally got around to do this but i discover the following:<p>from shopping.com and pricegrabber.com (price comparison websites), I found the follwing price variance:<p>Beach Camera/Buydig.com = 235 including $13 expressing shipping<br>Amazon = 250 no tax, no shipping fee (ground service)<p>well i am not in a rush to get a camera, so i wish they had a different shipping options for beach/buydig<p>although the lowest prices (235), i'm not sure how trustworthy/reputable these stores are; amazon, on the other hand, i've had good experiences and it's only 15 dollars more<p>what do you guys think, have you guys ever been to the first two websites, please let me know your experiences shopping online, between well-known e-retailers and not-so-well-known e-retailers...thanks!

04-14-2005, 10:57 AM
Update: I bought my new digital camera from Buy.com...SD200...I love its large LCD display screen<p>should be able to get it in a week or so...looking forward to getting it and trying it out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

04-28-2005, 05:42 AM
Just got my new camera last night...after various delays in the order process but I'm happy now I got it<p>First impression: wow the camera is so small and so light, it's almost as light as a piece of paper, well at least it feels that light. I compared pratically every part of the my new SD200 with my old S230, it's better in just about every aspect; I love the larger LCD screen and easy to navigate functions, and of course the technology is much more advanced on this one than the older one I have. Still trying to learn all of the new features but I would defn. recommend this to anyone who is in the market for a point-and-shoot digital camera, the price and the value is certaintly something that cannot be ignored.<p>Overall I'm very happy and satisfied <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">