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AXLE
12-26-2004, 04:01 PM
Just thought I might post a link to a news report since this is a historic and extremely tragic event. <A HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200412/s1272528.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.abc.net.au/news/new...8.htm</A>

Gian86
12-26-2004, 06:17 PM
I felt really sad now about this sinced yesterday, now there's more than 12,000 dead so far in 7 countries. I had to say this is the most tragic event since 9/11 2001 in America. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

AUDIisLIFE
12-26-2004, 06:20 PM
wow....my heart goes out to everyone in Asia, i wonder why they couldnt detect a quake of this magnitude??

knicks125
12-26-2004, 07:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AUDIisLIFE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow....my heart goes out to everyone in Asia, i wonder why they couldnt detect a quake of this magnitude??</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If this had happened in the Pacific Ocean, less destruction would've happen (they, in fact, do have the detection tools you spoke about, because it happens very often in the Pacifics). But, unfortuantely, these kinds of things rarely happen in the India Ocean and they don't have the detection tools so nothing could've been done to prevent less destruction - heard this on a news report.<p>I was speechless when I heard/saw this...<p>A tragic event, to say the least...prayers go out to everyone who were (are still) affected by the devastation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
12-27-2004, 12:12 AM
wow, I was watching about this on the news just now. I'm in shock at the magnitude of the destruction. Just a horrible thing

pcread
12-27-2004, 05:24 AM
My dad's working in Burma (Myanmar), but it's such a closed country, there's no news coming out. Luckily he's not on the coast, so he should be OK.

Santeno
12-27-2004, 08:30 AM
My boss left for Bali last friday for a long weekend, and no one has been able to track him or his wife down since news of the earthquake hit. Is anyone here from indonesia? do you know how hard was bali hit?

Metrognome
12-27-2004, 08:59 AM
What an absolute tragedy! The death toll's over 23 000 and still climbing, and there's something like over 250 000 people without houses. Check these photos out: <A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/issels/phuket_tsunami&page=all" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pbase.com/issels/ph...e=all</A>

pcread
12-27-2004, 10:07 AM
Bali is on the opposite side of Indonesia. I severely doubt they would have had any damage.

RikfromBelgium
12-27-2004, 10:16 AM
The images were just horrible. They're at arround 23,000 deaths now, many Asians but also tourists including 2 Belgians. I think there are many country's that have lost people. I even heared there were casualty's in Somalia <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>My uncle went to Thailand the day after. He's going to spend newyear there. But he'll be more up north, so I doubt he will notice much. Still not a very fun time to go there.<br>My thoughts are with the family and friends of those whose lives were lost.

The Water Is Poison
12-27-2004, 06:03 PM
an earthquake of 9.0 on the richter scale. Wow. There were people who were at sea and said they couldnt feel anything. The waves were ripples but as they got closer to shore, they got bigger. 32 feet. There were reports of the water moving up to 600 miles per hour

Orestes
12-27-2004, 06:45 PM
im in malaysia..but im okay....i think the waves in malaysia is about 6 meter..not to powerful compared to the waves in indian sea...some say its about 15 meter

RikfromBelgium
12-28-2004, 05:43 AM
Deathnumber now stands at arround 36,000, with thousands still missing

The Water Is Poison
12-28-2004, 05:49 AM
40.000 now.

Santeno
12-28-2004, 08:29 AM
My boss seems to have turned up. Apparently sumatra blocke most of the waves heading east. Apparently the peolpe in Bali felt nothing.

Krypton
12-28-2004, 08:45 AM
44,000 now, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> this is a big trajedy, mother nature and humans havnt been getting along this year have they.<br>I few of my friends arents are from south india but i havnt been able to talk to them yet<p>My thoughts are with the families who lost a loved one

RikfromBelgium
12-28-2004, 10:31 AM
Last I heared over 50,000 by now <p>edit: my god it's climbing so quickly: almost 60,000 <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RikfromBelgium at 7:16 PM 12/28/2004</i>

RikfromBelgium
12-28-2004, 10:50 AM
Thailand is known for it's amazing locations which have atracted foto-shoots for many magazine's and fashionhouses.<br>It seems Supermodel Petra Nemcova was on a shoot. She is in the hospital with a shattered pelvis and internal injuries. <p>Belgium now counts 3 dead: a 58j woman, and 2 baby's of 1j and 2 months<br>may their family get the support they need for these sad times.

The Water Is Poison
12-28-2004, 06:26 PM
55,000. Theres lots of people looting

Metrognome
12-28-2004, 07:29 PM
63 000.

The Water Is Poison
12-29-2004, 03:27 AM
68000

laurensbenz
12-29-2004, 09:42 AM
Last check at a newspaper site it said:<br>80,600 people have already died in this disaster. <br>(of which more than 45,000 in Indonesia)<p>source: <A HREF="http://www.standaard.be" TARGET="_blank">http://www.standaard.be</A>

RikfromBelgium
12-29-2004, 09:45 AM
The Red Cross is estimating a total of 100,000 died in the quake and the Tsunami that followed. I also believe numbers will rise to that level. <br>A 1000 German's are still missing, 1000 Sweeds, 100's of Norway, 30 Belgians,... This truly is an international disaster.

knicks125
12-29-2004, 11:13 AM
The death toll continues to rise, as we speak...getting worst and worst by the minute <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

bm88
12-29-2004, 11:58 AM
Its now offically 100,000.

pcread
12-29-2004, 12:00 PM
check out this animation: <A HREF="http://www.alkyon.nl/Images/TSUNAMI01.AVI" TARGET="_blank">http://www.alkyon.nl/Images/TSUNAMI01.AVI</A><br>it shows how the tsunami spread out across the Indian Ocean.

Santeno
12-29-2004, 01:18 PM
Latest breakdon from the NY Times:<p>Indonesia: At Least 45,000 Dead<br>Malaysia: At Least 65 Dead<br>Thailand: At Least 1,600 Dead<br>Myanmar: about 90 Dead<br>India: At least 6,000 Dead; about 8,000 still missing<br>Sri Lanka: At least 22,000 Dead<br>Maldive Islands: At Least 50 Dead<br>Andaman Islands: At Least 3,000 Dead<br>Somalia (yes, all the way in Africa) : At Least 100 Dead<p>Here is an interacticve feature that they have:<p><A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtml/2004/12/26/international/20041227_QUAKE_FEATURE.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/package....html</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 3:26 PM 12/29/2004</i>

Naga Royal Guard
12-29-2004, 01:32 PM
what the hell, is there a map or illustration showing this

Santeno
12-29-2004, 01:50 PM
yes there is naga. Just follow the link I posted. If you can't view it, just register at the new york times. it's free.

pcread
12-29-2004, 05:17 PM
The thing that amazes me is that Bangladesh had so few casualties. Cyclones caused floods in 1970 and '91 that killed more people in just that one low-lying country than have so far been cofirmed dead due to this catastrophe in the whole region.

JBlair
12-29-2004, 08:35 PM
Absolutely amazing......this is a modern day black death (though not as bad in terms of lost life). Good to see that differences over other happenings (Iraq comes to mind) are being set aside so that we can get aid to these poor people as soon as possible.

NarutoRamen
12-30-2004, 01:25 AM
andaman and nicobar are islands that r indian....<br>to add to that...my best friends cousin and his wife came back from Thailand beach resort 1 day b4 this dissaster...they were so lucky....I am very shocked and saddened by this event....

DiCampo
12-30-2004, 04:12 AM
I don't want to dismiss how serious this is, i think it is a really sad thing, but... I found a cartoon, which i think is really great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.shellac.be/graphics/cartoons/Freddy-Bush.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>In English it says:<br>WTC towers, 3000 deaths, war on terror<br>Tidal wave in Asia, 25000 (100000 in the mean while) deaths, what now are you going to do Bush?<br>War on nature? Oh, my mistake, you were already doing that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-30-2004, 04:51 AM
What I wonder, the US has made another coalition this time with japan, India and Australia. They suddenly declared that yesterday. But there was no mentioning of Europe, he only said other country's can join them. What's that all about <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
12-30-2004, 05:14 AM
My guess is that Europe has to do a joint EU thing before it joins any other coalition. They'll have to get together, have meetings, vote yada yada yada.

RikfromBelgium
12-30-2004, 05:48 AM
Not really, the EU isn't that slow as sometimes it appears to be.<br>Even the day before yesterday, before the coalition, the European commissioner of developement ( Jean Louis Michel ) asked for an international Donorconvention for the region.<p>Nonetheless, it isn't that hard for Bush to contact the EU as a whole, we have a parliament and commision for these things. But for now it appears there wasn't even a question of that kind. I find that strange.

The Water Is Poison
12-30-2004, 07:18 AM
114000

-Peter-
12-30-2004, 08:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>A 1000 German's are still missing, 1000 Sweeds, 100's of Norway, 30 Belgians,... This truly is an international disaster. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes it is, there were over 1000 tourists from Finland there in Thailand and other countries<p>14 finnish people is reported dead and almoust 263 more is officially reported missing. and they say its most likely that oll of those missing persons are dead. over 700 people has came back to Finland and Finnair is convertig one of their planes to ambulanceplane and sending it to pick up those most injured finnish tourists.<p>300 tourists have reported via sms that they are OK, and finnish phone-operators are trying to track the phones of those who are still missing. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-30-2004, 09:06 AM
From a GMA (Good morning America) newsclip I saw today, nearly all of the wild animals survived. They speculated that they had the six sense of it coming.

RikfromBelgium
12-30-2004, 09:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PeterDesign</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yes it is, there were over 1000 tourists from Finland there in Thailand and other countries<p>14 finnish people is reported dead and almoust 263 more is officially reported missing. and they say its most likely that oll of those missing persons are dead. over 700 people has came back to Finland and Finnair is convertig one of their planes to ambulanceplane and sending it to pick up those most injured finnish tourists.<p>300 tourists have reported via sms that they are OK, and finnish phone-operators are trying to track the phones of those who are still missing. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Same in Belgium. 5 persons are now confirmed dead, and from the list of 30 people missing in hotels, 21 have been found allive now. So 9 are still missing<br>But there are also some 250 Belgians traveling by backpack in the area, and they haven't been able to find any of them for now. They fear is dozens of them are never going to be found alive. <p>the toll now stands at more than 120,000 dead, they reached a village for the first time where they found 23,000 bodies.

ToyotaFreak
12-30-2004, 11:06 AM
The 31st of December was going to be birthday. <p>but instead of geting a b'day pressent & cake, I've made the decision to not spend up the budget on presents and will donate some old clothes(I still have some that can't fit me anymore.), my old school books from the previous years, some food & use my allocated budget to a local Newspaper's Earthquake/Tsunami Fund. <p><A HREF="http://thestar.com.my/fund" TARGET="_blank">http://thestar.com.my/fund</A>/ <p><br>PS: I am aware that it is my birthday, but I really feel that the victims(Those who are injured, and especially those who lost family members.) are more important & are in need of help rather than celebrating my birthday. <p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-30-2004, 11:15 AM
That's great to hear <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I made a monetary donation to the Red Cross <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-30-2004, 11:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ToyotaFreak</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 31st of December was going to be birthday. <p>but instead of geting a b'day pressent & cake, I've made the decision to not spend up the budget on presents and will donate some old clothes(I still have some that can't fit me anymore.), my old school books from the previous years, some food & use my allocated budget to a local Newspaper's Earthquake/Tsunami Fund. <p><A HREF="http://thestar.com.my/fund" TARGET="_blank">http://thestar.com.my/fund</A>/ <p><br>PS: I am aware that it is my birthday, but I really feel that the victims(Those who are injured, and especially those who lost family members.) are more important & are in need of help rather than celebrating my birthday. <p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>congrats with your BD<br>that's really big of you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
12-30-2004, 12:22 PM
2,000-3,000 americans are still missing and 12 are confirmed dead. I really do wonder how high this thing is going to go. It seems like every time I log onto a new site it goes up by 20,000.

bm88
12-30-2004, 01:56 PM
I dont know if anyone has posted this, but you could all help by donating a little.<p><A HREF="http://www.dec.org.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dec.org.uk</A>

knicks125
12-30-2004, 03:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MOORHOUSE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know if anyone has posted this, but you could all help by donating a little.<p><A HREF="http://www.dec.org.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dec.org.uk</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep, everybody should help! There should be at least one organization in every country that has a fund setup for the relief effort.

JBlair
12-30-2004, 04:45 PM
According to Nightly News, the death toll now exceeds 125,000 persons, and over 5 million persons now qualify as homeless in squalid conditions.

FeetofFlames
12-30-2004, 04:51 PM
Can I like mail money in or something? I want to give around $300, do I need to like secure that somehow? I don't have a credit card or anything, so I would have to send it by mail, but the thought of $300 in a white envelope makes me a bit anxious... Perhaps I can go to the local Red Cross and give them the money??

JBlair
12-30-2004, 05:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FeetofFlames</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can I like mail money in or something? I want to give around $300, do I need to like secure that somehow? I don't have a credit card or anything, so I would have to send it by mail, but the thought of $300 in a white envelope makes me a bit anxious... Perhaps I can go to the local Red Cross and give them the money??</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.redcross.org/donation/formprint.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.redcross.org/donation/formprint.html</A><br>Follow this link for mail donations. It is relatively easy, and I wouldn't be too worried about sending it in an envelope. You can also check your local news websites, as many local banks (at least in my area) have set up aid accounts to make it easier for people to donate. Worldwide donations now total more than $500 million dollars in initial aid, and I would expect that number to be at least 10 times that once the overall situation is assessed.

Naga Royal Guard
12-30-2004, 05:27 PM
the best way to secure a cash transfer is to have a money order or cashier's check cut, so that would go w/ the application Jblair posted above<p>

Naga Royal Guard
12-30-2004, 09:55 PM
A friend in Thailand wanted me to thank everybody who donated money ( he lives in Phuket ) also he wanted me to say that less than 5% of the underwater life has sustained damage and the tourism industry is also fine ( large source of revinue for the area as I understand ) <p>all major automakers have also donated money and equipment to recovery<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
12-30-2004, 11:28 PM
Over 125000 people are now officially dead...and many more to come.<p>Freakishly, if everything had gone to plan with my family, I would've been in Phuket at the time of the earthquake..which is quite a scary thought.

DiCampo
12-31-2004, 05:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>But there are also some 250 Belgians traveling by backpack in the area, and they haven't been able to find any of them for now. They fear is dozens of them are never going to be found alive. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know some of those people and i've got a mail from about 5 of them stating that they're OK, but still in shock. They've already applied at the Red Cross to help wherever they can, they're so good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
12-31-2004, 06:53 AM
Have you guys seen the satellite images from before and after the sunami hit--&gt; total destruction. This should really rank up there for the worst natural disasters of all-time.<br> <br> I saw a home video last night on the news of a family on the beach. They were just sitting there watching the water and then all of a sudden the first wave hit and almost carried their children away. I cannnot even imagine what those people and evryone must be going through. <p> Lat night on the news they also said that world wide donations were around $500 million.

Santeno
12-31-2004, 08:25 AM
My biggest concern is not so much about the tsunami. there is not a whole lot you can do for the dead. My biggest concern is about what will happen in the comming weeks with the millions of displaced people. Especially in places like Aceh and Sri Lanka. places that at best had a tenuous hold on peace and stability. what's going to happen when aid doesn't reach people fast enough or in the manner that they want? what's going to happen when hundreds of miles of roads and bridges don't get rebuilt right away? what's going to happen when basic infrastructure (like sewers and water supplies) take months to get working properly? What's going to happen when millions get tired of sleeping in tents while their homes are rebuilt? what's going to happen when millions get desperate from going hungry?<p>Something tells me that the real catastrophe could potentially be yet to come.

Krypton
12-31-2004, 09:10 AM
Im glad that everyones donating, but make sure that the moneys going to the right places. Some people i know nthere say a lot of the aid is coming but some people are abusing it and are selling the aid and making a profit instead of giving it out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>So if you are donating just research to make sure your moneys going to be effective

JBlair
12-31-2004, 12:50 PM
The US has officially raised its donation to $350 million, making it the largest contributor, and I would bet that amount is going to double over the coming months.

skodamotorsport
12-31-2004, 05:39 PM
<A HREF="http://www.helicon.net/nailers/movies/tsunamiphuket.wmv" TARGET="_blank">http://www.helicon.net/nailers...t.wmv</A><br>here some video of it looks scary as hell

BeeMer Boi
12-31-2004, 07:52 PM
Hey guys.... i found 2 sites which have satelite imagery of the tsunamis<p><A HREF="http://www.spaceimaging.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.spaceimaging.com</A><p><A HREF="http://www.digitalglobe.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.digitalglobe.com</A><p>check em out.... very clear and detailed images of before and after shots.<p>Sad stuff. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-02-2005, 06:45 AM
141,000 dead, with the missing counted in: 165,000

BeeMer Boi
01-03-2005, 03:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">141,000 dead, with the missing counted in: 165,000 </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The only thing i can compare this disaster to interms of the number of casualties is that of a battle that occured in WW1.<br>The Battle of the Somme.... where there were 120,000 casualties in just a single day of fighting between the French and the Germans.<br>Another event which is comparable is ofcourse the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.<p>Ironic how mankind continually strives to create powerful and more deadly weapons.....but those weapons still pale in comparison to the force of nature,..especially the unforgiving element of water.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
01-03-2005, 12:03 PM
<B>Here is a list from wikipedia of the amounts donated by countries and NGO's thus far, toward the tsunami relief effort (unless otherwise noted, all figures are given in approximate millions of US Dollars):</B><p>Australia: Gov: USD 52.6m; NGOs: USD 49.1m<p>Belgium: Gov $16.4m; NGOs: $8.5m<p>Canada: Gov $ 136m; NGOs: 33.3M<p>China, PR (mainland) : Gov $63m; NGOs: ?<p>Denmark: Gov $ 76m; NGOs: 11.6m<p>European Union: Gov $ USD 44m; NGOs: n/a<p>Finland: Gov 22.16m; NGOs: 8.6m<p>France: Gov $57m; NGOs: ?<p>Germany: Gov $ USD 26m; NGOs: ?<p>Hong Kong: Gov $6.41m; NGOs: 51.28m<p>India: Gov $23m; NGOs: ?<p>Ireland: Gov $16m; NGOs: Over 7m<p>Italy: Gov $95m; NGOs: $30m<p>Japan: Gov $500m; NGOs: ? <p>Kuwait: Gov $2.1m; NGOs: ?<p>Netherlands: Gov $36m; NGOs: 26m<p>Norway: Gov $180m; NGOs: $46.5m<p>Portugal: Gov $10.9m; NGOs: ?<p>Qatar: Gov $10m; NGOs: ?<p>Spain: Gov $69m; NGOs: ?<p>Saudi Arabia: Gov $10m; NGOs: ?<p>Singapore: Gov $3.6m; NGOs: ?<p>Sweden: Gov $75m ; NGOs: $52m<p>Switzerland: Gov $23.5m; NGOs: $30.5m<p>Republic of China (Taiwan) : Gov $50.0m; NGOs: ?<p>United Arab Emirates: Gov $2.0m; NGOs: ?<p>United Kingdom: Gov $50m; NGOs: 115m<p>United States: Gov $350m; NGOs: 80m<p>World Bank: Gov $250m; NGOs: n/a<p><B>Now I don't mean this as bashing so please don't take it the wrong way, But I do find it interesting to note, that <U> based on this information </U> the overwhelming majority of those affected came from predominantly Muslim nations; yet the wealthiest Muslim countries (amongst which rank some of the wealthiest countries in the world) have only donated a cumulative total of $24.1 Million [Kuwait ($2.1m); Qatar ($10m); Saudi Arabia ($10m); United Arab Emirates ($2.0m)]. Even the US's measly half assed initial amount was higher. It's absolutely shameful. I truly hope the oil-rich gulf states (as well as other relatively well off countries such as Brunei) take notice and start to step up. No offense meant to anyone or anyones religion. I just found that in light of the criticism laid upon the US and other wealthy nations of late, the discrepancy in donations (especially in light of who the majority of the victims are) is appalling.</B><br>

Santeno
01-03-2005, 12:07 PM
BTW, here is a link to the info, if you are interested in more:<p><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_2004_Indian_Ocean_ear thquake" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...quake</A>

Naga Royal Guard
01-03-2005, 02:43 PM
looks like hydrogen and hybrids are already taking a hard bite out of the oil rich states. why else are the Rolls Royce Phantom sales so piss poor?<p>its a cold fact: some governments care ( for <i>reasons</i>) and others dont ( for further startling/apalling/ridiculus <i>reasons</i>)<p>will either have light shown upon? only Hell knows<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 5:02 PM 1/3/2005</i>

knicks125
01-03-2005, 02:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW, here is a link to the info, if you are interested in more:<p><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_response_to_the_2004_Indian_Ocean_ear thquake" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...quake</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nice find...Santeno. I agree with your point <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 11:04 AM
You can add $15milj to the Belgian account since yesterday. Our Secretary of Forreign affairs has said they would give 15milj extra. Maybe more in the future.

Santeno
01-04-2005, 11:08 AM
ABC has picked up on the discrepancy in aid (or the lack of it from Arab countries). They had a report about it on this morning news. they added that it was odd that so many foreign workers in the rich oil states came from many of these countries, yet prcatically no help is being sent by them. I guess the leaders of the oils states must be busy buying yachts and lamborghini's.<p>Oh well, something tells me that in a short time this will be old news in people's minds and we can all get back to blaming Europe and the US for all the world's ills...<p>What a load of BS.

JBlair
01-04-2005, 12:24 PM
Oh just wait, within a few days, some other country who was unwilling to pony up cash to help these people will start *****ing and moaning again about how we should give even more. Yes, the US is one of the wealthiest nations, and yes we do have some of the most advanced systems set in place for natural disasters such as this. However, why should that obligate us to pay for most of it and to provide the highest levels of support? Its all really quite disgusting; a massive foreign policy paradox if I ever saw one.<p>On another note, the suffering is easing in some of the areas that weren't hit too badly; on the news they showcased that schools in one town are back in session, so the situation is getting slightly better. Its going to take a long time, though, before these places are back to any semblance of normal.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by JBlair at 1:30 PM 1/4/2005</i>

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 12:29 PM
let's not forget that initial donations from Western countries were rather low ( US $35Milj, EU $30milj ) It's after the UN complaining about that that countries started giving much more. <br>I'm surprised by Japan, didn't expect that much money from them.

JBlair
01-04-2005, 12:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">let's not forget that initial donations from Western countries were rather low ( US $35Milj, EU $30milj ) It's after the UN complaining about that that countries started giving much more. <br>I'm surprised by Japan, didn't expect that much money from them. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is absolutely true, though most of those were low because they had absolutely no idea of the scale or magnitude of the disaster when those original amounts were given. But do you see any such criticism of other wealthy nations ? (Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates come to mind) This is, as I mentioned, a foreign policy paradox because at the same time we are trying to show muslim and Islamic nations that we do indeed care, we have to hold our tongue about their contributions. (or overhwelming lack thereof)

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 12:46 PM
I agree ( will you look at that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) <br>It seems that feeling of " every muslim is my brother " only comes when it doesn't hurt. Sad, but I do think undeniably true.

Naga Royal Guard
01-04-2005, 12:50 PM
all humans should be nicer to each other instead splitting hairs based on beliefs ( duh ) lol

Santeno
01-05-2005, 10:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree ( will you look at that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) <br>It seems that feeling of " every muslim is my brother " only comes when it doesn't hurt. Sad, but I do think undeniably true. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I couldn't agree more. Great concept to give lip service to, or to send ignorant kids to do your bidding, but not good enough to act with decency and responsibility. The governments of the oil states should be ashemed of themselves.

Krypton
01-05-2005, 05:00 PM
australia is the biggest donor with a pledge of $810 million with Germany in 2nd with $674 million and with all the aid theirs a grand total of 4 billion dollars<p><A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6789555" TARGET="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6789555</A>/

JBlair
01-05-2005, 05:11 PM
That is fantastic. Too bad the amount to rebuild will probably be several billion dollars more than they have so far. But don't count other countries out yet. Pressure from western and european (and Japan) countries could force other nations to raise their own contributions. I'd be interested to see how much the US raises it over the course of the next few weeks. (top legislators have hinted that they would have no problem raising the contribution to over a billion, but they'd need to work all that out). BTW, are there any numbers as to how much each country's citizens have privately donated? Because, at least in the US, that number would probably be into the millions (if not hundreds of millions).

RikfromBelgium
01-06-2005, 06:17 AM
EU will give 100Milj now for immediate assistance<br>Later EU will give 350Milj for long term help. <br>Germany gives 150Milj in private donations already, and government 500milj. <br>In total over 1.5Bilj has already been collected in the EU by the commision and it's members. But I don't know if that counts in the private donations.<br>In Belgium, the account for people to give money on has reached 12.2Milj after just one week <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It's like countries are bidding-up against eachother.

Top Secret
01-06-2005, 06:29 AM
Wow, Australia is giving a heapa cash, which is good, as many Australian's were affected by this tragedy. From what I know - Australian's are really giving a lot of money to this appeal and with a lot more charity events to come, there will be a lot more money to help the relief. I know Australian's really love those places for holidays and will be a big blow to the travel industry.

Santeno
01-06-2005, 07:58 AM
MICHAEL SCHUMAKER Donated $10 Million of his own money yesterday.<p>On another note, Saudi Arabia finally decided to not be so stingy and upped their contributions to $30 million. I guess some of the 5,000 princes and princesses won't be getting new palaces this year...

Naga Royal Guard
01-06-2005, 09:33 AM
there is a cat eating bread across the street

Santeno
01-06-2005, 09:42 AM
Hmmm, breadddddddd...............

JBlair
01-06-2005, 11:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It's like countries are bidding-up against eachother. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Thats exactly what it is, but the head of the UN aid division likes that better than countries not giving at all.

RikfromBelgium
01-07-2005, 05:48 AM
true, but than again let's see if the money will actually arrive. You can't feed people with a promise.<p>I would like to congratulate The Netherlands for their show Yesterday. They did a marathon with all networks raising money and they got the incredible figure of 112,000,000euro. <br>I hope Belgium can do something simular next week.

Top Secret
01-07-2005, 06:11 AM
Australia has donated an amazing $1 Billion to help the devastated countries - an amazing feat for such a small populated country.<p>Anyway, I think Australia is following the Netherland's idea. All the major TV networks are simultaneosly broadcasting one massive concert to raise money for the Tsnumai victims - a great idea I reckon.

JBlair
01-07-2005, 06:34 AM
The media in the Chicagoland area was able to raise over two million dollars in a one day telethon for the city and surrounding areas. Just think if every major city in the US did this; we could be talking a not-insignificant chunk of change.<p>EDIT: Did australia donate more, cause last I heard they had pledged $850 million, not $1 billion.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by JBlair at 2:39 PM 1/7/2005</i>

-Peter-
01-07-2005, 09:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Anyway, I think Australia is following the Netherland's idea. All the major TV networks are simultaneosly broadcasting one massive concert to raise money for the Tsnumai victims - a great idea I reckon.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Finland arranged that kind of concert yesterday, I just dont remember how much money they get. But the Finnish Red Cross and the other organisations have raised a lot of money (over 13,6m euros)<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
01-07-2005, 05:10 PM
I dunno, maybe $1 Billion AUD is $850 Million US.

Naga Royal Guard
01-07-2005, 09:27 PM
Hyundai Kia : 3 Million<p><A HREF="http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_hyundai_kia_pledge/index.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_h...x.htm</A>

The Water Is Poison
01-08-2005, 04:10 AM
Death toll passed 150000.<p>A few NBA players are donating a thousand dollars per every point they score. It might not sound like much... but its something

Top Secret
01-08-2005, 05:10 AM
In regards to this massive appeal Australia held, which was just on, in a few short hours (2 in fact), the Australian public raised over $15 Million AUD! And $100 contributed by me of course! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
01-08-2005, 08:46 PM
I arrived in Bali on the 26th December....i was staying in Club Med there....and i only heard about it 2dayz into me holiday...<p>Man i was soo close to the areas that were hit...B4 that i was in Singapore and KL in Malaysia.<p>I was with me whole family from me mums side....25pplz....(All me uncles, auntys, cuzins and grandparents)<p>We were meant to have gone to Club Med in Phuket, Thailand instead of Bali...<p>I cant imagine what it would have been like...all 25 of us could have been in danger...pheww

CarMattZu777
01-11-2005, 08:55 PM
Isuzu and some of its subsidiaries just donated 41 million yen, or about $400,000 USD. Im glad to see auto companies taking a part in the releif efforts, especially one like Isuzu who has production facilities both in Thailand and Indonesia. <p><A HREF="http://press.arrivenet.com/bus/article.php/557913.html" TARGET="_blank">http://press.arrivenet.com/bus....html</A>