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WTd
05-02-2005, 01:29 PM
here is some of my 3d car designs, I use Rhino3d for the modeling of the car, and I use 3dstudio MAX with Brazil to create the rendering.<p>Each of these designs are similar and were made to meet the needs of the client. <p>This is the original concepts, it wouldn't work in this configuration.<br><IMG SRC="http://wtdesign.flashex.com/Auto-layout/ZION-2003.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Here I adjusted the last concept into something with more mid rear engine placement.<br><IMG SRC="http://wtdesign.flashex.com/Auto-layout/ZION_v2_Layout_Red.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>and this one shows the final design.<br><IMG SRC="http://wtdesign.flashex.com/Auto-layout/2004-Garra-dk-blue-layout.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>The client kinda never got me a contract or any money for this work. so in short we went our own ways. I still am thinking of developing the font and rear a little, but overall its pretty much a car I would like to build at some point. Working on other projects might feed money to this project later down the road.<p>you'll find more concepts on my webpage<br><A HREF="http://wtdesign.flashex.com/AutomotiveDesign2005.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://wtdesign.flashex.com/Au...5.htm</A><p>Thanks for checkin them out. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Wyatt<br>

DoMiNo
05-02-2005, 01:36 PM
We're not worthy!!! Hahaha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Quite simply, I am floored. These are amazing. The first one is my favorite. Where did you learn this stuff? Did you study design?

WTd
05-02-2005, 01:45 PM
thanks man, well I only studied car design on my own time. Mostly all my life I have loved cars, but in general I didn't have any hope till I learned Rhino, it just fit my skill set, but after I made my first couple cars, I learned from many online that said they sucked and needed work. over time I adjusted and learned from many.<p>I did some early stuff in 3d in 1990 and slowly worked my way from using AutoCAD to rhino. Rhino's work style is very similar. Maybe not as great as the big CAD programs like Catia, Pro_E and so on. But it fits the design criteria well enough for me.<p>I went to school for CAD mostly and do Architectual and Civil Engineering type stuff. Using mostly the same tools I mentioned, AutoCAD/Rhino/3dstudio and just about every Adobe product. <p>I've been reading this site for sometime figured I could post something.. lol<p>Wyatt

fblacka
05-02-2005, 04:05 PM
Well ... i dunno what to say ... im simply speechless and amazed ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I have to start 3D modelling coz when i saw works like these i feel that i want but ... i know that i need years to do something valuable ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> ... <p>btw ... how much time takes to do a concept like these? i mean clean working hour or day ... oh and i like the first one too ...

WTd
05-02-2005, 04:51 PM
hehehe,, guess I impress people easily.. lol<p>well Id say each model takes about a good 8hrs to develop. But I tend to spend about a week to get it where I want it, then about another week or 2 getting small details in there and rendering it takes a couple of days or weeks depending on what I'm aiming to do. I use allot of these projects as learning subjects.<p>And from what I can tell everyone loves the original concept. I plan to take it back to that form a little bit more, get rid of that curve over the front wheel arch of the new one (blue), But I want to do something new with the lights all around. so expect it to take a jump in another direction, but hopefully a good one.<p>Wyatt

WTd
05-02-2005, 05:37 PM
here's a yellow version and red<p><IMG SRC="http://wtdesign.flashex.com/zion-proto/Garra-yellow-2004-2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://wtdesign.flashex.com/zion-proto/GARRA-LAYOUT-SM.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>

whipster
05-04-2005, 06:28 AM
Pretty good. Personally I don't like its design, but modelling is very good (tho some vertexes look fake but only few, really).<br>What've you used? 3d studio max? And in what you've rendered that? MAx too or FinalRender / vRay?

WTd
05-04-2005, 09:12 AM
thanks for the honest opinion, sounds like you know your 3d, I use rhino and export from the nurbs to polygons for MAX, but these are slightly older, I have much better export settings now, but I'm never happy with the export to poly.<p>I use Brazil mostly. I think the upper image was max's light tracer GI.<p>The next version will be much better. :-)<p>Thanks man.

SV
05-05-2005, 08:08 PM
jaw-dropping do not do these pictures justice. amazing work <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and i'm still stunned at what can be accomplished with the help of a computer.

jose the doood
05-06-2005, 09:39 PM
wow .. yeah .. wow ....

Superfresa
05-07-2005, 04:37 PM
Wow that's amazing! And thank you for actually replying to the thread, most profesionals like you that actually post here, only post once and never answer questions... hehehe....<p>Hey do you think it's possible if we see the original sketches to see the difference between step 1 and the final product? I'd be thrilled to see that! (and to see if I myself have some hope to design a car like this someday - right now I only sketch... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>Design-wise I can just suggest you take the first car, use the rear vents from the second, and I'd personally take the front bonnet scoop off because it looks a little too much. Otherwise it looks fantastic. i love the way you pushed the wheels to the corners, yet kept the aereodinamic shape. And I love the lights of the first - not so much of the second and third!<p>Well congratulations and if you could post the sketches, I'd appreciate it. Also if you could tell us a bit more about your designing experience!

WTd
05-09-2005, 01:30 PM
Thanks guys, I read this site more often than some, always looking to see whats new out there to get excited about.<p>I have some original sketches, but as for clients most of those I can't show. Most of if not all the concepts on my website are all created in Rhino, I didn't sketch them in other words. I tend to think in cad allot quicker.<p>What I rather do is work with other designers that do the sketching and build that in Rhino. My skills in that area are below what others can do, mostly I don't like to spend time refining the sketch, I do a quick sketch sometimes with really bad perspective or just side views or even just a little part, like a tail light. Then I think about how that would translate to 3d.<p>My designing experience is pretty much freelance when it comes to cars. Ive been working with a couple of clients over the last 3 years to get one built, that would be about 3-5 probably concept designs that have yet to be really built. The current 2 projects I'm working on are still just a means of learning the process.<p>Other than that I do allot of Mechanical and Architectural and wiring plans at my daily job.<p>Wyatt

Superfresa
05-10-2005, 05:13 PM
Thanks for rreplying and please do keep us updated with your designs....<p>I wish I was as skillfull as you are to make renderings and so on. At the moment I'm only ideas, but can't translate that into paper or computer programs properly, only just ok, but I don't like to post ok stuff, only great when I manage it.<p>Any tips for those of us that want to learn (and even those fewer of us who actually want to study this at university)??

taskbearer
05-10-2005, 09:16 PM
Wyatt your rendering skill is off the charts. However ,I must say that the first design looks more exciting due to its front engine GT-esque proportions. The next two lack any excitment, look more like any other midengined racecar. <p>I myself have no 3d experience whatsoever, but from what you've shown you sure can express yourself in CAD. On your website you said the first design was not funtional, but I see a lot of similarities between your car and the Lexus LF-A concept. such a profile can definitely take using the same mechanical layout as the LF-A. once more your modelling is stellar, hope you get to build one of your cars.

WTd
05-11-2005, 11:57 AM
I tried to reply last night and it got kinda long, then I hit ok and realized that I wasn't logged in, so I lost everything I wrote.<p>Lets see if I can shorten it up.<p>Superfresa- practice sketching, trace allot and retrace your original trace sketch and keep redesigning it. This is what I'm currently doing with a sport car design for a client.<p>For learning 3d modeling, I suggest taking a CAD modeling course or download the demo of Rhino3d and try the tutorials to get familiar with it. The rest of the learning after that will be design, and that takes a bit of tallent I presume and patients and constantly think about cars.. like me, read books on car design and all of them car magazines.<p>taskbearer- Far as functional goes, its not a great CAD model, the glass areas are poor, and the front wheels are to close to the front and when turning they will go thru the headlights and body pannels.<p>Plus its more designed for a front engine than a rear mounted engine. That was one of the big changes to the newer design.<p>I'm going to have to try a few optical tricks to get the affect I want to pull across from the old car to the new car. When I ever have time to do this I'll hope to post the progress on here.<p>For now I'm working on a race car body for another car, long story short, its a redesign of a work in progress small race car.<p>here is where it stands for now, I have a bunch of details to work thru still.<p><IMG SRC="http://wtdesign.flashex.com/DPX/Front-Q-3v-A.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>here is what the project looks like at the moment, Dennis did the design in Solidworks, he sent me the chassis and me and a Designer from Nike are working thru the design.<br><A HREF="http://www.dpcars.net/dp1/index.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dpcars.net/dp1/index.htm</A>

WTd
05-11-2005, 12:05 PM
here is what Michael DiTullo has come up with for sketches. He has done a few others, So I might model them also. But for now I'll do this one.<br><IMG SRC="http://img14.echo.cx/img14/1093/conceptracer9qu.jpg" BORDER="0">

Guy
05-18-2005, 01:51 AM
Sorry but the race car looked much better in just silver...maybe with race number on that rather than changing the colour to orange an black

RallyCat909
06-23-2005, 04:33 PM
How much study in school lead you to this level? I can sketch quite decently, but 3d computer aided drafting is far beyond my scope now.

WTd
06-29-2005, 01:59 PM
I did 4 years of high school CAD and mixed art classes and Math, Then I did 2 years at ITT Tech for CAD Drafting, then I got some jobs doing CAD plans and 3d work at some jobs and I always loved cars, and kept learning from the people around me and I continue to learn. I always had enough interest to learn on my own.<p>Ive been using CAD and 3d software for about 15 year now, and used old drawing programs before that on a old Texas Instrument and on a Tandy computer. Ahh the good old days before Hard drives.. lol