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Charger
02-28-2005, 08:13 PM
<IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/general/future.toyota.2000gt/future.toyota.2000gt.340.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: edmunds<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Son of Supra<p>By: editors at Edmunds.com<p>Date Posted 02-28-2005<p>Looking for a high-profile sports car to polish its image, Toyota is finishing up development of a Supra successor, code-named project 395.<p>When you think of exciting Toyota sports cars, one you can't ignore is the lovely 2000 GT featured in the 1967 James Bond film, You Only Live Twice. The new front-engine, rear-drive sports car will even borrow subtle styling cues from that icon.<p>Our sources suggest Toyota is looking at two distinct versions for production. One will use a 3.5-liter development of the new V6 (introduced in the 2006 Lexus GS 300), making 300 horsepower. The second, higher-intensity model could use the company's 4.3-liter V8, tweaked to give about 350 hp.<p>Styling features a long front deck and short rear, much like the Mercedes-Benz SLK, BMW Z4 and Honda S2000 that the new Toyota will compete against. We expect it will employ a conventional folding soft top.<p>Pricing will likely run close to $30,000 for the V6 (to rustle 350Z feathers) and into the low-$40,000 range for the V8. The Supra spirit will rise again! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Naga Royal Guard
02-28-2005, 08:20 PM
according to old rumors, it would sit on the IS chassis, recently reports say it would share w/ the productoin LF-A, but these rumors surface every so often

LEXUS FAN!
02-28-2005, 10:08 PM
nice sketch, but i doubt it will be made

Tomo Motorsport
02-28-2005, 10:47 PM
It makes sense. The IS chassis is already RWD and from what I've heard handles well. Toyota should release it: but the question is: will the populace accept a sports car from a company that has the "boring car image"??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

Velocitas
02-28-2005, 11:16 PM
<br>Seeing as how just about the only two door cars that sell in the US market are roadsters, I will buy into that part of this speculation.<p>I will also buy into the NA engine options.<p>However, you can't just lop the top off of the IS frame and expect a "sports car". To make this concept work, it would have to be off of a platform designed to be roofless (eg. S2000). The LF-A will be way too high end to share components with a $30k car. The SC would be a better choice, but it's a pig.<p>Count me among the skeptics, then. :)<br>

Tomo Motorsport
02-28-2005, 11:20 PM
It doesn't have to be a roadster, besides, the true successor of a supra should be hard top.

carlisimo
02-28-2005, 11:55 PM
After all the attention that the "2005 Supra" got, with sketches and supposed spy shots, I'm just too skeptical to believe anything about a Toyota non-exotic sports car. I hate to say this, coming from a Toyota family, but I don't think they have the guts to do it.<p>nice drawing though

scorpio14
03-01-2005, 02:24 AM
OMG if Toyota brought this out... CRAP i'd love it... EXACTLY as it is... PLEASE TOYOTA bring it out... Celica and MR2 most likely goin... Toyota needs somethin... <p>BUT then again Lexus should bring it out coz they are competing wit the BMW's, Mercs, and Porsches... call it the GC350/430 or somethin like that

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 08:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tomo Motorsport</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It makes sense. The IS chassis is already RWD and from what I've heard handles well. Toyota should release it: but the question is: will the populace accept a sports car from a company that has the "boring car image"??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>of course they wont, because toyota has never made a sports car in their life <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 08:59 AM
another Fanboys mad rumor<p>the 2000GT was a true sportscar

Santeno
03-01-2005, 11:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 2000GT was a true sportscar</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Really? for it's time it was a sports car, but hardly an example of the best it's time had to offer. Here are a few specs to back up my point:<p>- engine: DOHC inline-6,<br>- Weight distibution: 55/45 front to rear<br>- Horsepower: 150bhp @ 6600rpm (standard model); and 200bhp @ 7200rpm (competition model).<br>- 0-60 mph: 10 Seconds<p>It was a very nice sports car by international standards (if a bit expensive), but hardly a "real" sports car. Many of the american muscle cars, the corvette, and assorted european sportscars of the day outperformed it for less money.<p>

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 11:45 AM
ye.. but the 2000GT was a killer on the track..

Santeno
03-01-2005, 11:50 AM
correct me if I'm wrong but the only official track time that car saw was when it was tested for average speed at different distances, for which it is true it set several; average speed world records of its day. Did it ever compete in open racing?

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 12:38 PM
oh yes .. i the US and japan..<br>Remember the Shelby 2000GT?<br>

Santeno
03-01-2005, 12:45 PM
No. that's why I'm asking. can you post a link to some info. I'm interested in learning more about it. Thanks in advance.

KebabGud
03-01-2005, 12:49 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autotrend.com/pic/7013.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>i dont really know mutch about it .. but google knows!<br>"Shelby’s Secret Weapon - Shelby Toyota 200GT - In it’s first year of US racing, this Shelby-developed Toyota 2000GT nearly won the championship. But Toyota deemed the project a failure and canned it. This is its remarkable story"<p>short life.. <br>

CalinG7
03-01-2005, 01:12 PM
An IS/Supra chassis sharing is just as possible as the G35/350Z link-up. I can see this happening, and I hope it does, Toyota sure needs something to inject some adrenaline in its showrooms. But it's kind of disappointing that it would come in closer to 30K than 20K. Can't have everything..............

Naga Royal Guard
03-01-2005, 05:20 PM
the old IS sat on the supra chassis, and wheelbase, thats why the damn thing is so small

anonms
03-01-2005, 06:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tomo Motorsport</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It doesn't have to be a roadster, besides, the true successor of a supra should be hard top.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Or a targa-top.<p>But either ways, it should have uninhabitable rear seats.

chaserolls
03-01-2005, 06:52 PM
when I was at the LA auto show last year, I asked the guy at the Lexus booth if he knew anything about the next supra and he said it'll be introduced a year after the new IS and it'll ride on a shortened version of the IS's chasis . . . don't now how reliable that information was, but it seems plausible and right in time with this latest sketch<p>also, he mentioned lexus's supercar V10 (at the time) and said it's been in testing ever since Toyota got back into F1, but they were waiting until at least a top 3 finish before they let the general public know about the upcoming supercar . . . i think what he said came true about the supercar (sort of), be interesting if he was right about the supra too

coded
04-20-2005, 02:23 AM
I sell Toyotas and would love this thing on the showroom floor :)

Top Secret
04-21-2005, 01:37 AM
coded, you're from the Gold Coast?! Schweet - where you work, Hinterland Toyota?

LEXUS FAN!
06-09-2005, 04:10 PM
I couldn't find a topic on this, so here it is.<p>I hope it isn't a repost<p>I only found "son of supra," but that is not the same thing.<p><A HREF="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0609/article71435_1.images/88508.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://response.jp/issue/2005/...8.jpg</A><p>it is being discussed...here...<p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166338" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...66338</A><p>BTW...THAT IS A FUTURE LS IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE SUPRA...just a rendition

KebabGud
06-09-2005, 04:56 PM
the supra is dead.. i bet 50 bucks that there is not going to be a new supra in the next 50 years..<br>

Flagship
06-09-2005, 05:11 PM
The supra would be a lower end SC with a $40k price tag and if Lexus wants a IS coop then i am afraid the supra will not be produced until star wars vii comes out.

spwolf
06-10-2005, 11:10 AM
4.6l w/ 390hp? Thats probably what that new 4.6l will be in any case...<p>Supra? Who knows... nobody knows what Toyota will do BUT one fact is clear - Supra is an great name for Toyota so they WILL use it again.

ndjan
06-10-2005, 11:32 AM
Toyota wants to come out with a 350z/rx8 fighter. I heard it wasn't going to be called supra or celica.<br>It seems like it would make sense for the Toyota to be based off of the IS350, just as the g35 is based off the 350z

Soobyfreak
06-10-2005, 02:21 PM
Toyota could use anything in their lineup that is some what sporty now that the MR2 and Celica are gone. I read somewhere that toyota is also going to build something to compete with the likes of an evo or STi.

KebabGud
06-10-2005, 03:37 PM
thats the GT4... next GT4 is a corolla..<br>(the old GT4 was a celica and the currant GT4 is a JDM only caldina)

salebg
10-01-2005, 08:34 AM
<A HREF="http://www.toyotasupra.cz/mk5/mk5-0.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyotasupra.cz/mk5/mk5-0.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://www.autothing.com/images/Fun%20Things/Spy%20Shots/SS-2006/SS-2006-Toyota-Supra-1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autothing.com/image...1.jpg</A> <p>Plans for Toyota to introduce a replacement for its Supra sports car are inevitable, according to sources. The rendering above is an indication of what such a twenty-first-century Supra might look like, but click the minimized magazine article (immediately below) for some real world shots of what may be the final result.<p>Hopefully headed for production (and the United States) in 2006 and likely based on the upcoming second-generation Lexus IS platform, the new coupe (which might get a new name) is said to be a modern interpretation of Toyota's classic 2000GT of the 1960s. Engines are set to be 3.0- and 3.5-liter normally aspirated V6s matched to a six-speed close-ration transmission.<p>The curvy, compact, all-new sports coupe is expected to be a direct competitor to the Nissan 350Z, which certainly has enjoyed a successful head start. The previous Supra was last sold here in the 1998 model year, by which time it, like the last-generation Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo, had suffered dwindling sales as a result of high sticker prices and spiraling insurance costs. As Nissan has done with the 350Z, Toyota wisely will avoid expensive and complex twin-turbo engines for the new Supra, which should allow for asking prices in the $30,000 range.<br>

FordRules
10-01-2005, 08:42 AM
Thats pretty Cool,But it looks like an Aston wannabe!

Nodnarb
10-01-2005, 08:47 AM
Those are fake. They have been around the net at least 5 times now. They originated mid to late 2003 and haven't died since.

BMW_Dude
10-01-2005, 09:00 AM
Those PS look quite nice, but I don't think it will look like them!<p>Toyota are too borring for those designs! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> j/k

salebg
12-26-2005, 09:37 AM
<A HREF="http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7742/toyota5oo.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img401.imageshack.us/im...o.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-11583-218093-1554/LF-A-Supra.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser....jpeg</A><br><A HREF="http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/1910/scan00082df.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img414.imageshack.us/im...f.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/4476/scan00010xd.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img414.imageshack.us/im...d.jpg</A>

63Bonneville
12-26-2005, 09:49 AM
Really nice find(s). I hope this comes to reality and market, especially stateside. It's be a great competitor for the Z, like in times before.

against the wall
12-26-2005, 02:01 PM
the red one looks awesome. the lfa chops make it look like a depressed elephant. the yellow one looks kind of odd.

Cozz
12-26-2005, 05:44 PM
The red one looks freak'n hot. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>THe last one looks like a MR2 with a bit of Buick in it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
12-26-2005, 08:42 PM
the red one is a v8 vantage chop right?

carlisimo
12-26-2005, 11:55 PM
Somehow, none of them look impressive. Not wide and low enough. Not angry, either.<p>In any case, I've lost all hope of Toyota coming back to its sporty car fans.

Naga Royal Guard
12-27-2005, 09:44 AM
they will if they want to, what they will not do is make a fluffball of a revered marque the way nissan did w/ their Z nameplate; the 300ZX is an incredible car compared to the overweight 350Z

Santeno
12-27-2005, 10:04 AM
So these are just renditions based on the ones response Magazine did back in June right?<p>Still It would be nice to see another sports car to come out of Toyota. Those guys can sure produce some nice machines when they put their minds to it. Even if it isn't a true supra (of the balls-out 8 cylinder type), any smaller 6 cylinder machine that shares the driving dynamics and performance of the IS should make for a fun and worthy successor - no matter what they choose to call it.

DSC-OFF
02-21-2006, 11:23 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2325/supra3vt.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/" TARGET="_blank">TheHollywoodExtra</A><br> <br>

Porschefan
02-21-2006, 01:17 PM
That should be the next MR2, not Supra. Hopefully, whatever it looks like, it doesn't have an RX-8 rear like this shot.

geary
02-21-2006, 01:32 PM
I particularly enjoyed the fact that all the magazines thought the LF-A was a testing Supra and Toyota F1 edition for months.....

KebabGud
02-21-2006, 01:42 PM
why cant people just get it .. the supra nameplate is DEAD!<br>

scorpio14
02-21-2006, 11:58 PM
yeah.... i still hope they bring somethin out <p>here are more pics<br><A HREF="http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t122703.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t122703.html</A><br>source: toyotanation.com

knihc2008
02-22-2006, 12:40 AM
in an interview i read in a car magazine with the head of toyota, one of the questions asked whether he thought it was a concern that there were no sporting vehicles in the toyota lineup. the head said that he promised there would be in the future. maybe a supra is in teh wings after all?

vannman
03-02-2006, 07:41 PM
<A HREF="http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/images/newsupra1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotiveaddicts.c...1.jpg</A>

Rugbyplaya91
03-04-2006, 09:23 PM
mission: Knock the z off it's throne.<p>that's exactly what it'll do.

Player4
03-05-2006, 08:10 AM
My friends dad works at a Toyota dealership. They were told that by the end of this year Toyota will unveil an all new Supra with hp around 400-500 with a twin turbo engine. And that it would be around $45 K. <p>At first i was a little doubtful but then i got R&t April issue and that article came so it gave me more hopes.<br>

against the wall
03-05-2006, 01:53 PM
a 45k toyota? is that like their first model ever to go 45k and above?

Player4
03-05-2006, 02:29 PM
Its a Supra i mean i wouldnt be surprised. This is like their icon.

KebabGud
03-05-2006, 03:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a 45k toyota? is that like their first model ever to go 45k and above?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>maybe in the US .. <br>

MR_MiKE25
03-05-2006, 04:42 PM
No, I believe the Land Cruiser is in the 50K range

Cozz
03-05-2006, 06:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mission: Knock the z off it's throne.<p>that's exactly what it'll do.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Easier said than done.

Velocitas
03-05-2006, 07:46 PM
<br>The MKIV Supra Turbo sold between $45k and $55k depending on year and dealer markup, so in real dollar terms, a $45k Supra Turbo would be a drop in price over the previous generation.<p>Still, I'm going to file this one under "I'll believe it when I walk into a showroom and see it". "Next Supra" rumors have been flying around for eight years. <p>

Ascariss
03-05-2006, 07:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Velocitas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The MKIV Supra Turbo sold between $45k and $55k depending on year and dealer markup, so in real dollar terms, a $45k Supra Turbo would be a drop in price over the previous generation.<p>Still, I'm going to file this one under "I'll believe it when I walk into a showroom and see it". "Next Supra" rumors have been flying around for eight years. <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>true dat, we'll have to wait and see if the new supra materializes.<p>Is that US dollars? odd, I've seen a few turbo's here in canada going for 38-45K canadian, although not checked what years they were.

Naga Royal Guard
03-08-2006, 04:15 PM
the only generation thats really worth anything is the 4th gen; and its worth quite a bit for a car its age

the1
11-02-2006, 01:34 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_419/car_photo_209816_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_419/car_photo_209815_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_419/car_photo_209814_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/i...5.jpg</A><p>Son of Supra will be a hybrid!<br>This silver machine is Toyota's all-new performance flagship, a hybrid-powered rival to coup¬Ěs such as Nissan's new GT-R<br>By Peter Lyon 02nd November 2006<p>Replacing the firm's famous sports car - which disappeared from Toyota's line-up in 1996 - the new model will go on sale in 2008, and takes styling inspiration from luxury brand Lexus' forthcoming LF-A.<p>But while that car will use a 500bhp 4.8-litre V10 when it arrives in 2009, Toyota's new model gets a tweaked version of the Lexus GS450h's 341bhp 3.5-litre V6 hybrid powertrain, giving it a unique combination of performance and economy.<p>With rear-wheel drive and a seven-speed sequential auto, the supercar should cover the 0-60mph sprint in less than five seconds and hit a top speed in excess of 170mph, yet return 30mpg. The mach-ine has already been seen testing at the N¬Ěrburgring circuit in Germany.<p>A concept is scheduled to appear at the Detroit Motor Show in January, while the production version is expected to be priced to match Nissan's new GT-R.<p>Meanwhile, Toyota-owned Daihatsu has unveiled an electric variant of its Copen convertible at the EVS-22 electric car show in Tokyo. Fitted with lithium-ion batteries and a 30kW motor, the Copen EV has a top speed of 75mph and a range of 155 miles.<p>And Subaru, which is also part-owned by Toyota, revealed vanadium-oxide batteries which have twice the power of lithium-ion units and 10 times the life of the nickel-hydride ones used in the Toyota Prius<p>Source : autoexpress.co .uk

Roadster44
11-02-2006, 02:19 PM
Anyone sees resemblance between this <br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_419/car_photo_209814_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>and this?<br><IMG SRC="http://www.familie-prokop.de/bloggimages/v_for_vendetta.jpg" BORDER="0">

Porschefan
11-02-2006, 02:45 PM
So this is the legit car? There looks like sooo much Nissan GT-R concept in that for it to be the real thing...sure it's not a chop? That rear fascia doesn't even look connected to the car if you look close.

SHEPO
11-02-2006, 02:58 PM
It's a chop based on the Lexus LF-A concept...don't get too excited.<p>EDIT: There's a lot of Skyline in there too...

scorpio14
11-03-2006, 03:17 AM
I hope they offer both petrol V6 and V8 and not just hybrid V6.... Itll suck if its Hybrid only as they are just heavy and at most times with Toyota doesnt actually perform as well as they are claimed to do (in fuel consumption and in sprints (0-62mph and 0-400m). They need the V6 and V8 offering with it... <p>Its the GT-R supposed to be V8-V10 or somethin... i though that was what the LF-A would be taking on (or is that the NSX itll be taking on?).... I thought the Supra replacement would take on the 350Z? thats what they need to do

tinytoyo
11-07-2006, 02:56 PM
Well a smart engine choice would be the 2GRFZE similar to the aussie Aurion TRD.<p>Used a electromagnetic clutch on the blower (Ah the good old AW11 days) and you get great V6 fuel economy without blower drag, and a crapload of power when you squeeze it.

TopGear
01-25-2007, 08:53 AM
now that i am looking at it does anyone see waht this car looks most similar to. imo this proves that the next supra is this. <br><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9144/2524039ny.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

CosworthKid
01-25-2007, 09:35 AM
You lost me mate, what was your question again?<br>To me it looks similar to the Lexus concept, which is normal.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

TopGear
01-25-2007, 12:07 PM
Sorry, after i wrote it i realized i wasnt clear.<p>Whatt im sayinng is that the FT HS looks Very similar to the picture on the pevious page which previewd the next supra. So what i am thinking is that since that picture came out before the FT HS, in my mind the FT HS without a doubt is a privew of the supra. <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_419/car_photo_209814_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>[QUOTE=TopGear]<br><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9144/2524039ny.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> </TD></TR></TABLE>

CosworthKid
01-25-2007, 01:45 PM
Maybe, or perhaps people who heard about the concept or saw some sketches assumed it was previewing the next Supra and so they stated it was...without having any facts or proof... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Soul Man
01-25-2007, 05:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe, or perhaps people who heard about the concept or saw some sketches assumed it was previewing the next Supra and so they stated it was...without having any facts or proof... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats much much much more likely. Magazines get pictures to debut cars in advance of the actual debut, but have the hated embargo attached to when the pictures can be published on paper or on the net. Usually though they use the pictures theyve recieved and/or other information form miscelanous sources to make a chop that clearly previews and shares many similarities with forthcoming production or concept vehicles, but is still not that vehicle, as not to violate the embargo.<p>