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T.B.
05-04-2005, 10:15 AM
<IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/69472.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>If Huckfeldt is right (as he usually is), than the new E will look kind a GS-ish. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The cover screams: "Mercedes plays it safe. The new E-class. Less electronics. No SBC brakes. With S-class technics." <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 7:23 PM 5/4/2005</i>

Santeno
05-04-2005, 10:32 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the E-class traditionally tend to be one of the more distinctly styled MB's? Perhaps I'm being overly sentimental, but I can't imagine MB compeletely abandoning some form of it's trademarked double-oval headlamps. Double quadrangles seems a bit generic for what is normally such a boldly styled vehicle. Huckfeldt has been knwon to be sometimes way off in his EARLY renderings. Let's hope this is one of those times.

Charger
05-04-2005, 10:33 AM
I dont think so. Those lights dont even look MBish and they just wouldnt do that, at least I hope. If the 2 lights were combined then they would look fine.

Ascariss
05-04-2005, 10:42 AM
Santeno is correct, Huckfeldt's earlier renders are not always 100%, sometimes even off by a lot. It's obvious he has seen some sketches, otherwise, I am not sure where he got this idea. I say wait for a second impression.

Beetle bum
05-04-2005, 10:43 AM
Isnt the next MB project the C. <p>If you join the headlights, you can c its the new S. Look at the roofline and the rear quarterglass. Its definitely the S. In place of the cladding, there's metal when there really should be the headlamps<br>

erzhik
05-04-2005, 10:45 AM
Those headlights remind me of new gen. Lexus GS300, maybe these ones are little more strict.. Also Check out CLS styling.. Looks nice, I like it

Santeno
05-04-2005, 10:59 AM
Alright guys please ease up on commenting on the rendering. It's quite obvious it's only an artist impression and not an official drawing. Please try and limite the information to the E-Class and not to whether the rendering is ugly or not. Thanks.

Ascariss
05-04-2005, 03:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why is no one (besides Tine) mentioning the fact that it is the brother of the GS...it looks so similar<p>if this was reversed, everyone would be jumping and saying Lexus copied MB<p>is that a reliable source?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Er no, the W211 E class sketches clearly show a frontthat looks similar to this, even the current S class had a sketch that looked like this, so MB isn't copying anyone. All I see is 4 lights in the front that are like todays only square. The GS has completely different lights and the centre ones aren'teven in their own clusters.

Cozz
05-04-2005, 07:49 PM
Isn't it a bit early for the new E-class? The currect E-class has been in the maket for about 3 years. It still has at least 4 or 5 years on it left.

LEXUS FAN!
05-04-2005, 09:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Er no, the W211 E class sketches clearly show a frontthat looks similar to this, even the current S class had a sketch that looked like this, so MB isn't copying anyone. All I see is 4 lights in the front that are like todays only square. The GS has completely different lights and the centre ones aren'teven in their own clusters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I beg the differ...unlike the current E and previous E this one has squared/rectangular headlams, and they are parallel, making them quite similar to the GS...<p>btw...what do you mean that the center ones aen't in their own clusters?<p><br>look at this picture...how can you not see the similarity??<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos_popup/main_assets/exterior/GS-473_lg.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com/assets/mo...g.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You do know this is only someone's sketch? Nothing more, nothing less.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i know that if the roles were reversed people would be bashing lexus, no matter how reliable the sketch was<p>

Ascariss
05-04-2005, 11:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I beg the differ...unlike the current E and previous E this one has squared/rectangular headlams, and they are parallel, making them quite similar to the GS...<p>btw...what do you mean that the center ones aen't in their own clusters?<p><br>look at this picture...how can you not see the similarity??<p><A HREF="http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos_popup/main_assets/exterior/GS-473_lg.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexus.com/assets/mo...g.jpg</A><p>i know that if the roles were reversed people would be bashing lexus, no matter how reliable the sketch was<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dude there were sketches for the W211 that had the same look as in this above image that huckfeldt made, even the sketches for the S class, W220 have lights that look like that. I'll post them tomorrow, but if anyone cares to find them please do so, if not I'll grab them off the press site.

Hornbag
05-05-2005, 05:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't it a bit early for the new E-class? The currect E-class has been in the maket for about 3 years. It still has at least 4 or 5 years on it left.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats what i want to know! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> I supose they spent 5 years devoloping the last one, so they might as well start now!

skoochythatone
05-05-2005, 08:08 AM
Guys, it is really way too early to speculate on looks of the new Eclass. What is current is the facelift for the current Eclass. I have seen facelifted ones driving around downtown Sindelfingen(where the MTC is) several times. They had extra instruments mounted onto the dashboard on the right and left of the steering wheel. But it wasnt visibible that it was facelifted ones on the outside.

carrera4
05-11-2005, 08:08 AM
impressions completed from autobild.de<br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/69738.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/69739.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>the rear end is uglier than the front...

Charger
05-11-2005, 09:03 AM
The back rendering reminds me of the Lincoln Zephyr

skoochythatone
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
I talked to someone working on this last fall, and back then he told me that they are still deciding on the design and that they had 4 proposals for the front and 4 for the rear...so it would be WAY too early to judge on renderings..

Ascariss
05-11-2005, 02:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I talked to someone working on this last fall, and back then he told me that they are still deciding on the design and that they had 4 proposals for the front and 4 for the rear...so it would be WAY too early to judge on renderings..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Interesting, it is possible Huckfeldt saw one of those proposols. again maybe. Any chance you could find out if that is the case Skoochy?

skoochythatone
05-11-2005, 03:03 PM
I personally believe Huckfeld is supplied with pics/renderings from sources inside car companies. There is no way someone can come up with images like that and be right with them so many times. The person I talked to back then does not work there anymore..sad story for him..but if I see him again I will have a little chat with him again.

Ascariss
05-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Agreed, he got the new CL almost perfectly.

T.B.
05-11-2005, 03:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Agreed, he got the new CL almost perfectly.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And the new S-class as well ...

skoochythatone
05-11-2005, 03:36 PM
Except the rear...

LEXUS FAN!
05-11-2005, 03:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The back rendering reminds me of the Lincoln Zephyr</TD></TR></TABLE><p>haha...it does a lot<p>good observation<br>

Reppu
05-11-2005, 11:23 PM
I wouldn't mind to see a MB like that in the renders. Might not be the sexiest car on earth, but at least it would be the long needed leap in MB design. I think that MB has come to a point where they need to do what BMW did with the 7. They need to break to new grounds. Just my opinion. Lately, all MBs look girlie to me, even the AMGs. This E design is much more muscular and mean.

Chickpig
05-12-2005, 02:24 AM
Translated:<br>AUTO picture preview Mercedes e-class <br> <br>Safe <br> <br>No more experiments: With the next e-class Mercedes Benz concentrates again on old virtues. <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Courageous Design, conventional technology <br> First step to the active steering element interference <br> Comand system with larger monitor <br> Particle filter plus urea injection <br> <br> <br> <p>Nervousness in Stuttgart: Calculated the most important model weakening ELT. The e-class , so far subscribed on front places in the permission statistics , fell dramatically. Much too early Mercedes Benz thereby must do without much money, which actually should have brought its volume model in. The large Facelift next year is to turn around driving downhill, but the completely new generation W 212 for the natives of stuttgart, which starts 2009, is still more important.<p>It must start error free, in the quality convince and may not also the smallest loss afford. Therefore everything comes on the test stand, which a shade on Stuttgart star could throw. Electronic Spielereien just like redundant Gimmicks. First victim of this strategy is the SBC brake, which provided in the current model for much annoyance. Thus in the new e-class again conventionally one brakes - however with electronic support.<p>But of it the viewer sees to naturally nothing. It is to be inspired only once for the form. And there Mercedes Benz shows new courage our exclusive computer photos documents the new indications of the time. The fifth generation of the e-class works more representatively, more modern, more self-confidently. Although similarities with the current Lexus collection are not to be surveyed, the Mercedes Benz designers created a to a large extent independent alignment, which points from the conservative-baroque present into an sporty-elegant future.<p>In contrast to C - and s-class , which remains faithful both for the one-piece headlights, gets the e-class a completely new four-eye face with angular pupils, Bi-xenon lamps, bending light and curve headlights. Similarly to the s-class also the W 212 profits from the new night vision technology on laser basis. Likewise by the large brother is taken over the passenger protective system Pre pre-Safe , which tightens belts automatically in an emergency, closes windows and the safest seating position selects. In addition when desired the brake assistant associates plus. It uses the longitudinal control Distronic and an additional nahbereichsradar, in order to increase with to scarce distance the braking power aid preventively.<p>A condition for the Fahrerassistenzsysteme is an interlaced sensor technology from laser and radar jets, which develop an invisible 360-Grad-Schutzschild around the car. It concerns also to recognize and warn with threatening danger the position of other vehicles or react.<p>The first step to the active steering element interference is the stabilizing parameter steering element. It compensates cross-wind, longitudinal gutters, aquaplaning and in a further step deviating from given lanes. In preparation are beyond that an early warning system against second sleep, a fully automatic a park pilot and a digital road sign recognition, which make with Nichtbeachten optically or acoustically attentive on itself.<p>The cockpit of the e-class takes over above all the Comand system of the s-class. The newest version consists of a larger monitor and of a mouse with integrated keyboard, which is accommodated between the seats. In contrast to iDrive of BMW can be called up substantial functions by depressing the key directly.<p>The wheel suspension possesses perfectly new kinetics, but is to be just as little shaken at the decoupled four-steering wheel front axle as at the multi-steering wheel rear axle. Still the customer between stahlfederung, pneumatic cushioning and the hydraulic chassis regulation Active Body control (ABC ) can select. In the work statement brake disks from bonding material, which are manufactured in larger series, offered for favourable prices, are new.<p>As alternative to the standard drive Mercedes Benz wants to equip nearly all six and eight-cylinder models against surcharge with the all-wheel drive 4Matic. The third 4x4-Generation is not only friction-reduced and easier, but also to a large extent freely of perturbative forces in the steering element. In addition the torque is to be variable distributed within an exactly range not fixed yet between the axles. The traction optimizes and defuses the self-guidance behavior in critical situations.<p>With the engines the six cylinder is completely clear the volume-strongest aggregate. The four-cylinder makes for certain markets (developing countries, south Europe) and still for certain targeted applications (taxi) sense, is however possibly obligation-coupled with the filter course mechanism. If it survives, then as 1,8-Liter compressor with approximately 180 HP and as 2,2-Liter-Diesel with 177 HP - both with direkteinspritzung.<p>The remaining motorizing might look in such a way:  E 250, 2,5-l-V6 DI, 214 HP  E 300, 3,0-l-V6 DI, 243 HP  E 350, 3,5-l-V6 DI, 272 HP  E 400, 4,0-l-V8 DI, 320 HP  E 550, 5,5-l-V8 DI, 388 HP  E 63 AMG , 6,3-l-V8, 571 HP  E 280 CDI , 3,0-l-V6, 204 HP  E 300 CDI, 3,0-l-V6, 225 HP  E 350 CDI, 3,0-l-V6 with register loading, 313 HP  E 400 CDI, 4,0-l-V8, 354 HP.<p>Diesel characteristic numbers stand and fall with the HP politics of the competition. Here it concerns in the future however not only achievement and torque, but also low emissions. Therefore Mercedes Benz will probably equip the new e-class beside the particle filter with urea injection SCR (the additive is refilled with each service). Which does not help the e-class compellingly back to the point, but will do to the environment completely surely well.<br>Source: Autobild

Santeno
05-12-2005, 07:30 AM
All comentary eveluating the design merits, or lack of merits, of what is obviously an artist impression have been deleted. Please refrain from continuing to comment on the rendering, It is NOT an official MB design. Until more images become available, we will delete any further commentary on these images that presumes that they are official MB images or accurate reflections of the next E.

DSC-OFF
11-11-2005, 11:40 AM
<IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/bncggg244.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>W221 details..<p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?page=aktuelles_heft" TARGET="_blank">AutoZeitung</A><br>

Cozz
11-11-2005, 11:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/bncggg244.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>W221 details..<p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?page=aktuelles_heft" TARGET="_blank">AutoZeitung</A><br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Way too big... can you make it smaller??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
11-11-2005, 11:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Way too big... can you make it smaller??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Take a look at the source, if you can find a larger photo more power to you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

against the wall
11-11-2005, 12:25 PM
someone buy and scan the images. and isnt w221 the s class?

DSC-OFF
11-11-2005, 12:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">someone buy and scan the images. and isnt w221 the s class?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes..<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..W221 details..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There are W221 details on this chop..

Cozz
11-11-2005, 04:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Take a look at the source, if you can find a larger photo more power to you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://www.car-trix.com/Cozz/new_E_class.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>Inlarged the crap out of it<p>... more power to me.

DSC-OFF
11-11-2005, 04:39 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/bncggg244.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.car-trix.com/Cozz/new_E_class.JPG" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Muuuch better..<p>Found this for you, its not big enough so you may pixelize it buddy..<p><IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/dcjjd4455.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

CosworthKid
11-11-2005, 08:18 PM
Could someone please shoot me..NOW! I always though early Lexus cars had too many Merc elements for my liking and recently we saw an artist impression of a big Lexus Maybach rip off...but what is this??Is Mercedes stealing Lexus bits now???Whats with those head lamps?

Marticos
11-12-2005, 06:13 AM
I don't like headlamps previous resemble too the Lexus GS; and then is alone a reconstruction of a magazine of whom do not I trust me (my opinion) where is ended Vision CLR??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>However the remainder of the car is very attractive. <br>The CLS is an of the more attractive cars than have ever seen, and its reinterpretare style for the next Mercedes is an excellent idea. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Just_me
11-14-2005, 01:17 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6937/e1hw.jpg" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
11-21-2005, 06:04 PM
Estate Version..<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autozeitung.de/pages/aktuelles_heft/images/2405/ah_2405.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <br>

against the wall
11-21-2005, 07:37 PM
oy, that chop looks like paul bunyan sat on it.

DSC-OFF
12-06-2005, 11:47 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/20/355.122569.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><I>In the next year the lining up Facelift of the Mercedes e-class is to make the problems in quality finally forgotten. The successor 2009 promises besides more elegance. Heavily the Mercedes Geldmaschine in shape of the e-class was gebeutelt in the recent past whether their electronics problems. Now for some months the situation relaxed clearly, in the public stands the e-class however still as synonym for the Mercedes Krisenjahr 2005. At the latest with the Facelift, which comes in June 2006, that should be past. How seriously the Mercedes top management takes the topic, shows that the Facelift is a technique elevator. Thus the trouble-prone SBC brake flies raus. It becomes correctly exciting with the e-class 2009, if the new model goes to the start. This becomes more elegant in the comparison to the current e-class of adults and. The wheel base grows by 20 millimeters, in the interior becomes clearly more strongly the spirit of the s-class blows. Many Interieur parts of the larger brother taken over up to the central trick pressing plate in the center console. To a new face customers do not have to get accustomed the e-class however: Also the new model will come with a four-eye face therefore</I><p>More of those headlamps..at least theyre a better application here<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/mercedes_e_klasse_zurueck_zu_alter_staerke.98051.h tm" TARGET="_blank">AMS</A><br> <br>

KebabGud
12-06-2005, 12:38 PM
its a Lexus A6! :P

IcedG35
12-06-2005, 01:03 PM
that chop shows awesome pregression of the current design and ties in nicely with the S class

against the wall
12-06-2005, 01:18 PM
that last chop looks awesome. id buy it if i had the money<br>

VexedandGlorious
12-06-2005, 01:27 PM
that last chop does look good, i hope its accurate

velsatis
12-06-2005, 01:42 PM
For the ones saying this is a copy of lexus, you don't know much about lexus design (at least) history do you? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>This is a beautifull new original design which I expect to be close to the final result <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
12-26-2005, 06:20 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/483rnj.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>AMS<br> <br>

CWW
12-29-2005, 09:38 AM
Mercedes E-Class facelift spyshots:<p><A HREF="http://img106.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc85&image=bebdc_Weihnachtswoche_2005_061.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img106.imagevenue.com/i...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc236&image=8423f_Weihnachtswoche_2005_062.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img130.imagevenue.com/i...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc92&image=44aa1_Weihnachtswoche_2005_063.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img111.imagevenue.com/i...3.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc45&image=36046_Weihnachtswoche_2005_064.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img130.imagevenue.com/i...4.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CWW at 9:49 AM 12/29/2005</i>

against the wall
12-29-2005, 10:39 AM
only 1 image works....

mzoltarp
12-29-2005, 01:48 PM
They all worked for me but the changes look minor at best unfortunately.

against the wall
12-29-2005, 01:54 PM
bigger grille and less round rear. thats all i see thats different.

IcedG35
12-29-2005, 02:33 PM
i'm sure the change in the rear is similar to the change in the CLK--taillights get uglier <p>the front probably has headlights like those of the SLK where there are slits on the top of the projectors and a redesigned airdam

SV
12-29-2005, 02:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They all worked for me but the changes look minor at best unfortunately.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what's so unfortunate about it? the e-class is a great-looking car as it is, or at least i think so...i'm not sure what the general consensus of its styling was, but i'd expect it was positive..

AF
12-29-2005, 08:50 PM
The wing mirrors are different too.

against the wall
12-29-2005, 09:03 PM
yea they look bigger. judging from the camo, it looks like the taillights will have body color strips in them. once again, they will look best in black.

sc43018
12-30-2005, 09:06 AM
I think this car has always looked rather boring... even the base model (E350) has the potential to be an exciting car, but by the looks of it, it just seems like a quiet cruiser. even on the AMG, i have always felt that the back is just too boring, borderline ugly<p>but that may be exactly what MB is looking for... their S-Class to be the design innovation, and their E-class to be a mass volume, widely accepted car. The E is good looking, just too dull, and these spy pics dont appear to be helping it's case

eF
12-30-2005, 09:25 AM
When I hear "E class", the image of retired accountant driving to spa comes to my mind. And these minor changes won't change my perception of this saloon.

Santeno
12-30-2005, 11:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>eF</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I hear "E class", the image of retired accountant driving to spa comes to my mind. And these minor changes won't change my perception of this saloon. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>You make it sound as though there was something wrong with that?

kuules
12-30-2005, 12:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You make it sound as though there was something wrong with that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>He doesnt like german cars.<br>No matter how will the mercedes look like, eF always say the same things about it.<br>

eF
12-30-2005, 12:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You make it sound as though there was something wrong with that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't say this is wrong - but, come on, just think about it! <br>I don't like Mercs because I'm still young, instead of going to the spa I go to the disco and don't care about numbers at all. Maybe in 50 years, when all my children will grow up, I will build a house/plant a tree and I will suffer from, let's say, osteoporosis, I will be fond of every Benz. But now, there're more fascinating cars:) <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kuules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>He doesnt like german cars.<br>No matter how will the mercedes look like, eF always say the same things about it.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have to agree with you - not only because we live in the same city/country <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by eF at 11:31 AM 12/30/2005</i>

Cozz
12-30-2005, 06:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>eF</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't say this is wrong - but, come on, just think about it! <br>I don't like Mercs because I'm still young, instead of going to the spa I go to the disco and don't care about numbers at all. Maybe in 50 years, when all my children will grow up, I will build a house/plant a tree and I will suffer from, let's say, osteoporosis, I will be fond of every Benz. But now, there're more fascinating cars:) <p><i>Modified by eF at 11:31 AM 12/30/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's OK, a lot of ignorant people think like that.

mzoltarp
12-31-2005, 06:34 AM
The E class is a nice but boring-to-look-at car. If Mercedes is freshening it, they are spending millions. The point is if the changes are going to be subtle, why bother in the first place and why waste the cash? Now if they made it a CLS without the droopy buutt, we could be in business.

Cozz
12-31-2005, 06:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The E class is a nice but boring-to-look-at car. If Mercedes is freshening it, they are spending millions. The point is if the changes are going to be subtle, why bother in the first place and why waste the cash? Now if they made it a CLS without the droopy buutt, we could be in business.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Because it makes more money than it costs to make.

IcedG35
12-31-2005, 01:05 PM
ALso, when you have relatively expensive cars, change have to be subtle. Most people woudl be pissed if they had a 60,000 E500 whcih became dated looking a few months after they got it because a much better looking version came out. I'd even be pissed if I had an S class before they made the headlights clear and the taillights nicer in 2003-4

Naga Royal Guard
12-31-2005, 05:07 PM
the LS 430 before its facelift?<p>but thats an isolated case anyway

IcedG35
01-01-2006, 01:03 PM
There was nothing major about the LS facelift, just slightly different headlights and wheels and maybe new bumpers like everyone else does

Naga Royal Guard
01-01-2006, 01:28 PM
new front fenders, hood, headlamps, grille, tail lamps and bumpers - really changed the character of the car<p>nobody really liked the first LS 430 so such a facelift was necessary<p>

TitanSteel
01-16-2006, 07:48 AM
New almost commpletely undiguised pics:<p>(See next post)<p>Source: GCF

TitanSteel
01-16-2006, 07:50 AM
Wrong pages:<p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060116.002/pageview/photo/photo/Mini6/mercedes/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s....html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060116.002/pageview/photo/photo/Mini5/mercedes/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s....html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060116.002/pageview/photo/photo/Mini4/mercedes/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s....html</A><p>Sorry about that!

mzoltarp
01-16-2006, 07:53 AM
The refresh is so minor as to be a why bother.

TitanSteel
01-16-2006, 07:55 AM
The rear light change isn't all that minor.

against the wall
01-16-2006, 07:55 AM
the rear looks like the facelifted accord.

against the wall
01-16-2006, 07:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The refresh is so minor as to be a why bother.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i guess mercedes is thinking "if it isnt broken, dont fix it".

Comrade
01-16-2006, 08:07 AM
It's a refresh. This isn't minor for a refresh. Remember E39 facelift? You'd have to know about cars to spot the difference, yet many noticed there was a difference in the overall appearance somehow. Same with this car. Not enough to make a car look completely different, yet enough to make an already aging car look new again.<p>BT, is there a diff between refresh and facelift?

against the wall
01-16-2006, 08:12 AM
a refresh is kind of like changing some minor details of the car.<br>a facelift is more like changing the front and rear noticeably but leaving the side.

CWW
01-16-2006, 08:14 AM
Pictures are photoshopped. I hope the rearlights will look different. The backend is not an improvement

PHYMB
01-16-2006, 09:54 AM
One of the front photos is definetly photoshoped, but the other doesn't not look to be.

Omar
01-16-2006, 10:44 AM
GCF usually say when they are PS, so I don't think they are PS.<p>There's just a little editor's note to say a tiny strip of tape has been removed [by computer], so that's virtually correct

mattthebad
01-17-2006, 04:15 AM
The silver part in the back lights - is this tape or is it supposed to be some bodypanels similar to s class? I'd say tape. The lights will look like the clk's.<p>Anyone who'd say "body panel"-what is the correct term btw?

odic
02-07-2006, 01:00 PM
some semi-official photos found on another forum<p> <A HREF="http://www.cochespias.net/foro/index.php?topic=3908.0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cochespias.net/foro...908.0</A> <p>ciao

SHEPO
02-07-2006, 01:38 PM
leads to a page where i have to log in <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Smart22186
02-07-2006, 02:19 PM
here are the pictures from <A HREF="http://www.cochespias.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cochespias.net</A> i had to register thoe.<p><A HREF="http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1453/19xx2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1453/19xx2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/8067/29us.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/8067/29us.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3901/31ju.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3901/31ju.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4808/43pf.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4808/43pf.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8062/51jn.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8062/51jn.jpg</A>

DoMiNo
02-07-2006, 02:29 PM
New mirrors are going to look much better... evidently a slight change in the headlights too. And what is that screen facing the rear seats? Looks like something prone to break or hit your knee on...

aphophis
02-07-2006, 03:06 PM
wtf? This is the new mercedes e-class topic as far as i know, not the e-class facelift topic..

DoMiNo
02-07-2006, 06:21 PM
Woah, chill out bud.

odic
02-08-2006, 01:30 AM
well, just think about it what you want, but for me this news means the new e-class won't be for 2006, more like 2007-2008

husseindesign
02-08-2006, 02:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>aphophis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wtf? This is the new mercedes e-class topic as far as i know, not the e-class facelift topic..</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Calm down 'lil homie. It's not the end of the world.<br>Thanx for the pics Smart22186 . I like the new turn signals and the pointy grill. Those would make the front look more interesting. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, just think about it what you want, but for me this news means the new e-class won't be for 2006, more like 2007-2008</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well actually the next E-class will be a 2009 model, if not 2010, because the current generation came out in 2002.<br>

Omar
02-08-2006, 06:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And what is that screen facing the rear seats? Looks like something prone to break or hit your knee on...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think it's to watch DVD's on...

fubar
02-08-2006, 12:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Omar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I think it's to watch DVD's on...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes. The previous gen European S-Class has the same feature.