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Santeno
04-26-2005, 01:02 PM
Here is a small Image from Japan's Magazine X (These guys are normally dead on with their images and renderings):<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mag-x.com/images/05041.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Here is a we bit of info from the same site. perhaps someone can translate or provide us with further info and pics (if you have a subscription or can scan the article from the magazine):<p><A HREF="https://gateway.nifty.com/service/g-way/MAGX2/nifty/free/tm.htm#01" TARGET="_blank">https://gateway.nifty.com/serv...tm#01</A>

Ascariss
04-26-2005, 01:06 PM
Why is this car being replaced? If sales justify that yes it can be replaced, then I would understand why, but personally I don't think the car serves a purpose in the Lexus lineup.

nismo
04-26-2005, 01:08 PM
wow.. they definately through that boring design out the window. I like..<p>its probably going to get the 280hp engine from the Avalon and optional AWD. All due out around next summer-fall..<p>The ES is a big seller. If the continuation of models was done by sales the current IS would be gone because that doesn't sell anywhere near as much as the ES.

Charger
04-26-2005, 01:09 PM
Eww, Lexus needs to redo the front, not the back. What are the sales figures for the current ES?

Santeno
04-26-2005, 01:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Eww, Lexus needs to redo the front, not the back.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Charger, they are redoing the entire vehicle. That just happens to be a rendering of the rear. The front should be a variation of the new lexus styling theme (Much like that rear rendering is).

Ascariss
04-26-2005, 01:13 PM
Wasn't there a discussion about this car someplace? If I recall someone said to move the car up in the lineup to compete against the CLS. Seeing as it's camry based, I don't think that would work unless the platform was changed.<p>Why is the rear window completely flat?

Andre
04-26-2005, 01:16 PM
Heimliche.. can someone do the heimliche on me please? That had BETTER not be the new ES. Ascariss, I think the window is CONCAVE.

Ascariss
04-26-2005, 01:18 PM
Shouldn't it be convex and not concave? It looks flatish and only slightly curves.

Andre
04-26-2005, 01:21 PM
it should be convext, according to aerodynamics, but in that pic it's concave. I will repeat that I hope Magx is wrong this time.

Santeno
04-26-2005, 01:27 PM
The window is not concave, it's mostly flat with probably a slight convex curvature on it's outer edges. Much like the rear windows used on the new IS and the out going and new GS's.

LEXUS FAN!
04-26-2005, 03:55 PM
I wish there was a HQ photo of it...i can't see the back too well<p>the back looks ugly...i don't think it is too correct<p>thanks for the source<br>

DoMiNo
04-26-2005, 04:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why is this car being replaced? If sales justify that yes it can be replaced, then I would understand why, but personally I don't think the car serves a purpose in the Lexus lineup.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It was my understanding that the ES sold pretty well. I see them all over the place (not that that explains it, but still...). I think the ES serves a very good purpose; it's bigger than the IS and less sporty... it caters to older, more conservative buyers who want more space and a plush ride, but who can't afford an LS. I can see a middle-age mother driving the ES easier than I can envision her in an IS....<p>Edit: while I think the ES needs to be the *slightest* bit edgier, I don't like the looks of that rendering. I really, really don't.

VexedandGlorious
04-26-2005, 04:57 PM
the rear is horrible. i heard everything will change cept for the headlamps, wimo need to change also.

Cozz
04-26-2005, 05:56 PM
Don't they want to get rid of FWD's?

Omar
04-27-2005, 01:54 AM
what's an ES? i've never heard of it before!<p>which market segment does it compete it? is the ES the S-class competitor? (I thought that was the LS)<p>I'm confused, Help!

scorpio14
04-27-2005, 02:07 AM
Well if ya from UK it explains alot... they dont sell them there like they dont sell the Toyota Camry<p>Basically the Lexus ES is built on the same platform as the Camry<p>I'd think one of its main competitors would be the Peugeot 607 ( i deffinetly could be wrong)... BUT uve seen the current camry... its just a Lexus version wit the same price tag as a 607 V6<p>Here is a pic of the current ES330(in the US) (over here in Australia is ES300)<p><IMG SRC="http://www.lexus.com/assets/models/gallery/photos_popup/main_assets/exterior/E3-792_lg.jpg" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
04-27-2005, 05:31 AM
The ES fills a certain gap in the Lexus lineup. It's for those people who want the name but do not want a rock-em-sock-em sport sedan (IS) and don't want to pony up for the cost of a (GS).

Omar
04-27-2005, 09:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well if ya from UK it explains alot... they dont sell them there like they dont sell the Toyota Camry<p>Basically the Lexus ES is built on the same platform as the Camry<p>I'd think one of its main competitors would be the Peugeot 607 ( i deffinetly could be wrong)... BUT uve seen the current camry... its just a Lexus version wit the same price tag as a 607 V6</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Thanks! Yeah, I'm from the UK.<p>Am I correct in presuming the countries in which the ES is offered do not have the LS?

Chickpig
04-27-2005, 10:08 AM
No, the LS is offered everywhere. I think the ES looks bad there. The current one looks a lot better than the redering.

Santeno
04-27-2005, 11:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>omar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what's an ES? i've never heard of it before!<br>which market segment does it compete it? is the ES the S-class competitor? (I thought that was the LS)<br>I'm confused, Help!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The ES competes in the same market segment as the IS, as Lexus entry level model. Lexus has two offerings in the segment, one aimed at sport (the IS) and a younger clientele, and one aimed at comfort (the ES) and a sligtly older clientele. as stated before, the ES is absed on the camry platform and is roughly about the size of the car. Oh and no, contrary to popular belief Lexus' two entry level vehicle haven't really canibalized each others sales.

Bluesman
04-27-2005, 12:42 PM
Santeno,<p>I've been waiting for photos like this...... I can't open the link, can you get a better scan of this out for us?<p><br>Lexuslovers.com has a translation up that one of the members did, check it out.<p><A HREF="http://www.lexuslovers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7370#post7370" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lexuslovers.com/for...t7370</A><p>Thanks!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Bluesman at 1:49 PM 4/27/2005</i>

anonms
04-27-2005, 03:50 PM
I DOUBT that this is anything close to the next ES.<p>Or at least I hope it's not.<p>I'm sure it'll resemble the IS or the GS more.<p>Hell, maybe even the LF-S.<p>But not that rendering.

IcedG35
04-27-2005, 08:49 PM
I wish there was an alternative to the ES. while it would not be good for lexus sales to kill off the ES, i hope its replacement falls into place with sporty RWD cars. Maybe even make a detuned GS as the ES replacement?? IDK but it seems like the ES doesn't interfere with IS or GS sales because it is a different type of car, but doesn't that make it a type of car thats not a LExus anymore considering Lexus's new direct?

scorpio14
04-27-2005, 09:34 PM
If the ES keeps being based on the Camry... RWD i dont think so... BUT they could make it AWD (some one already mentioned this)...<p>It will be interesting to c what itll look like and i guess it'll go on sale on sale a couple of months after the Camry (which goes on sale mid next year)... so yeah<p>

Santeno
04-28-2005, 08:15 AM
Thanks for the translation Bluesman. Here is what they say in that site:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Production on the new ES will begin starting June 3rd.<br>The new Lexus ES sports a very solid, "American" appearance from the rear. The line at the side of the ES flowing to the taillamps resembles the [Mitsubishi] Grandis.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iHug Trees</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I DOUBT that this is anything close to the next ES. Or at least I hope it's not. I'm sure it'll resemble the IS or the GS more. Hell, maybe even the LF-S. But not that rendering.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Look closely at the rear design (without counting the lights, and you will see that it follows the general "L-finesse" look of the newer lexus' (especially the look of recent concepts), only softened and somewhat and broader. Magazine X, unlike most Asian car mags, has a long history of accuracy in their renderings (though they have been off before), so I wouldn't discount them just yet.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish there was an alternative to the ES. while it would not be good for lexus sales to kill off the ES, i hope its replacement falls into place with sporty RWD cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>There is an alternetive, it's the IS. If I recall correctly, keeping the ES FWD is intentional (at least that's what I remember reading at the time the original IS was launched), since each car targets very different costumers at the same price point. If I recall correctly, the ES' focus was on luxury and comfort, not sport (even though it's far from a land-barge). That plus, the ability to further amortize the costs of the camry platform, made keeping it FWD sensible. Toyota makes some pretty darn well balanced FWD platform's these days, so personally, I don't think the ES is compromised by not being RWD.

IcedG35
04-28-2005, 01:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is an alternetive, it's the IS. If I recall correctly, keeping the ES FWD is intentional (at least that's what I remember reading at the time the original IS was launched), since each car targets very different costumers at the same price point. If I recall correctly, the ES' focus was on luxury and comfort, not sport (even though it's far from a land-barge). That plus, the ability to further amortize the costs of the camry platform, made keeping it FWD sensible. Toyota makes some pretty darn well balanced FWD platform's these days, so personally, I don't think the ES is compromised by not being RWD.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i agree but i really don't think that the ES can fit in with Lexus's new sporty "L finese" scheme since it is meant to emphasize luxury, not sportiness, as the rest of the lexus line seems to be doing. Maybe when the new LS comes out, the ES can be considered a baby LS which would be a smaller less expensive RWD luxury sedan (like what the C class is to the S class).

anonms
04-28-2005, 04:23 PM
The rendering doesn't bear that much of a resemblance to L-Finesse from the way I see it.<p>The cues that I have interpreted as being part of "L-Finesse" is not present in that rendering. The rendering resembles.... something that doesn't resemble the GS or the IS.<p>I am aware of Mag-X's accuracy, but this......

nismo
04-28-2005, 05:47 PM
Lexus isn't planning on making their whole line into sport sedans. They may be adding a little more character to their models but they seem to be continuing what works for them. The GS and IS are targeted to the Sport-Luxury audience while the ES and LS are targeted to the Luxury-Touring audience. That concept has been working for them so I don't think they're going to change it.

IcedG35
04-28-2005, 06:32 PM
when the new LS comes out, we will have a clearer sense of the direction of lexus, but considering their two newest models seem to be following the new style and sport theme, i'm expecting the LS to be the same, espeecially with rumors of the high performance hybrid and all the other comments made by people at Lexus

nismo
04-28-2005, 06:37 PM
Yeah I definately feel all the Lexus models will be more sport oriented than before but the main purpose/focus of the vehicles will remain.

Santeno
04-29-2005, 08:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iHug Trees</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The rendering doesn't bear that much of a resemblance to L-Finesse from the way I see it.<p>The cues that I have interpreted as being part of "L-Finesse" is not present in that rendering. The rendering resembles.... something that doesn't resemble the GS or the IS.<p>I am aware of Mag-X's accuracy, but this......</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Compare it to the LF-S and LF-C conepts and you'll see that there are certain similarities. whether they will translate into a production model, that's another story.

CalinG7
04-29-2005, 09:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i agree but i really don't think that the ES can fit in with Lexus's new sporty "L finese" scheme since it is meant to emphasize luxury, not sportiness, as the rest of the lexus line seems to be doing. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>.............except that the L-Finesse theme is just about the styling, as far as I know. So it can look sporty, even if the driving dynamics are tuned for a softer, more cosseting ride.

ricerammer
04-29-2005, 04:50 PM
Lexus is becoming very ugly IMO. This is horrible. Don;t get me started on the IS.

the cheddar
04-29-2005, 05:03 PM
I agree with Calin. Pretty straightforward to make something look sporty and...handle like a Buick. Actually, there are suspension and tire issues which compromise the look but it's still not that big an issue. <p>What's wrong with the IS ricerammer? That's a beautiful machine. If only all cars, this included, were so easy on the eyes.

Charger
08-17-2005, 06:18 PM
<A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Lexus/100606633/20027477-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Lexus/100606633/20027478-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Lexus/100606633/20027479-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> What Edmunds.com Says: Expect a somewhat evolutionary redesign as the current ES 330 already has a successful combination of size, power and features.<p>What We Know: The 2007 Lexus ES 330 will be fully redesigned, with a brand-new chassis, sheet metal, and a brand-new, more luxurious cabin than even that of the current version of this step-up sedan. As the upcoming 2007 Camry is expected to have been revised to look more like a contemporary Lexus, one can only guess at what Toyota has in store for the next-generation of its platform-mate, the ES 330. The two vehicles will undoubtedly share many of their components, though, and Toyota has even created a new global platform, the MC, in order to build these two vehicles, and others, on. The 2007 ES 330 is due out around roughly the same time as the 2007 Camry, in the spring of 2006. As is the case with the Camry, expect the hybrid ES 330 to make its debut some time after the standard version of the vehicle, probably some time in 2007.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: edmunds

anonms
08-17-2005, 06:28 PM
Why are the pictures of the Camry? Is Toyota trying to trick people by having same outer shells for the ES and Camry on the test vehicles?

knihc2008
08-17-2005, 06:48 PM
they are technically the same vehicle anyway..

Roadster44
08-17-2005, 09:43 PM
Its good that Lexus and Acura are expanding globally that means styling ought to get interesting and so will the handling. No more boring cars for boring Americans.

LEXUS FAN!
08-17-2005, 11:59 PM
how is that the ES350...isn't that the camry...it has the same cover as the camry i saw and it has the same grill as the new toyotas...what's going on?...i was excited at first, but that is the camry

KebabGud
08-18-2005, 03:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they are technically the same vehicle anyway..</TD></TR></TABLE><br>yeah today yes...<br>but Lexus has gotten a whole new indipendet design studio and development department..<br>so the next ES might not be a camry anymore...

Bluesman
08-18-2005, 03:34 AM
These shots DO look like the Camry, except this car has dual exhaust and the previous Camry spy shots (desert series) only have one tail pipe. So either it's a Camry with duals, a mule for the ES or it is the ES.

The Water Is Poison
08-18-2005, 06:28 AM
This thing looks very muscular, hopefully they wont just rebadge the camry which is supposed to look like the avalon anyway

LEXUS FAN!
08-18-2005, 10:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These shots DO look like the Camry, except this car has dual exhaust and the previous Camry spy shots (desert series) only have one tail pipe. So either it's a Camry with duals, a mule for the ES or it is the ES.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>those camry shots i took had dual exhuasts<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=15380&page=9" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=9</A><p>i didn't get a picture of the dual exhausts..but those are my pictures

Bluesman
08-20-2005, 09:42 AM
Could it be that the desert series Camry shots were of a 4 cylinder model with a single exhaust, and the Camry you saw was a 3.5 V6 with dual exhaust? It's the only thing that makes sense to me...<p>???<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Bluesman at 11:31 AM 8/20/2005</i>

LEXUS FAN!
08-20-2005, 12:08 PM
that makes sense, but those shots of Edmunds are of the Camry not the ES

Bluesman
08-20-2005, 01:17 PM
I agree

Charger
10-12-2005, 12:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You gotta love Vince.... Here's the first camo shot of the new ES that I've seen.<p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2005/10/2007-lexus-es_10.html" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogs....html</A><p>Glass roof too.<p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2005/10/2007-lexus-es.html" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogs....html</A></TD></TR></TABLE>

Bluesman
10-12-2005, 12:15 PM
Thanks for moving that Charger, I couldn't find the thread.

Andre
10-12-2005, 12:25 PM
heh, makes me think of a Pontiac

Bluesman
10-12-2005, 12:53 PM
Hard to say with all the crap on it.... It appears to look more refined than the current gen.<p>I dig the rims! <p>The head lights look the same but that was stated long ago as remaining the same by Liz @ Longo Lexus.

LEXUS FAN!
10-12-2005, 03:35 PM
lexus really loves to keep that camo...<p>how does this person keep on getting these shots?<p>are they from Japan?

LEXUS FAN!
10-14-2005, 10:04 PM
here's another shot...<p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2005/10/2007-lexus-es_14.html#comments" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogs...ments</A><p>although they say ES, isn't it the LS b/c there is no glass roof...hmm...i don't know...the LS was also silver, so i don't know...i guess it's the ES<p>it's a lexus whatever it is

Ironman273
10-15-2005, 06:58 AM
Forget the whole Camry-&gt;ES thing. The new ES350 will be bigger. It is supposed to have the front and size of an Acura RL with a rear that's more L-Finesse squared off. Horsepower will be in the high 200s and it'll have the 6-speed transmission from the current LS.<p>Edit: BTW, what I mean about forgetting the Camry-&gt;ES thing is that they are no longer related. The new ES will not be on the Camry platform.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ironman273 at 2:10 PM 10/15/2005</i>

Bluesman
10-15-2005, 08:52 AM
That sounds good. Any feedback on how it looks? What about the interior? Any changes?

sashok
10-15-2005, 09:37 AM
Well ofcourse there will be changes. What I want to know is whether or not it will still be fwd sinse it will not have that relationship to the Camry. <p>And I really really wonder what the likes of Acura will do against such a strong line-up from Lexus. Infiniti might be in the hole is well...sinse their flagship needs to be worked on very very desperately, the M series is great where it is now, the G sedan is like an in-between vehicle - between the IS/3 series and the Lexus ES...It looks like they need a smaller car to go head on with the IS and possibly make the G more luxurious, but then they already had a ES competitor that they phased out. Sorry to change to change the topic, just speculating.<p>It seems like Lexus has the best strategy here of deviding the entry luxury segment into 2 vehicles. Go LEXUS!!!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by sashok at 9:43 AM 10/15/2005</i>

Bluesman
10-15-2005, 12:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sashok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well ofcourse there will be changes. What I want to know is whether or not it will still be fwd sinse it will not have that relationship to the Camry. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yea, hopefully it will still be FWD...I'm sure it will be.

sashok
10-15-2005, 12:29 PM
I was shooting for the opposite <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Ironman273
10-15-2005, 02:09 PM
You're absolutely right, sashok. The strategy that Lexus has is unbelievable. Infiniti is trying to go at BMWs throat, but their interiors are completely lackluster. The IS is an unbelievable bang for your buck. Now the new ES is going to tread in E-Class territory at similar pricing as the current ES (forget the C-Class). Now with the new LS leap-frogging the 7-series and S-Class, the hybrids for the sedans coming out, and the new lower priced (and lower optioned) RX400h, the lineup is like no other.<p>I do think the ES will remain FWD, though. The RWD will remain for the "sportier" sedans.

Bluesman
10-15-2005, 02:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sashok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was shooting for the opposite <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know you are, I was just leading you a little... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'd rather have FWD, it's a good compromise for those of us who have snow in the winter.

LEXUS FAN!
10-15-2005, 02:42 PM
there's going to be a lower prcied and lower optioned hybrid RX? when?<p>did you show your bosses the MAG X picture? did they say anything on if it looks similar?<p>any word on an ES hybrid or an IS hybrid? did they mention anything?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 2:48 PM 10/15/2005</i>

Ironman273
10-15-2005, 07:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there's going to be a lower prcied and lower optioned hybrid RX? when?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Soon is all I can say.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you show your bosses the MAG X picture? did they say anything on if it looks similar?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No. I think the Mag X picture is way off.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any word on an ES hybrid or an IS hybrid? did they mention anything?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wondered the same thing, but no word yet. They have product launches coming very quick in the future, plus some changes in the SUV line. Even if they are planning them it would be information overload at the moment.

LEXUS FAN!
10-15-2005, 08:00 PM
haha...thanks for answering all my questions<p>are you talking about some redesigning of the SUVs or some additions or what?...<p>i thank you in advance for answering the question

knihc2008
10-15-2005, 09:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ironman273</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're absolutely right, sashok. The strategy that Lexus has is unbelievable. Infiniti is trying to go at BMWs throat, but their interiors are completely lackluster. The IS is an unbelievable bang for your buck. Now the new ES is going to tread in E-Class territory at similar pricing as the current ES (forget the C-Class). Now with the new LS leap-frogging the 7-series and S-Class, the hybrids for the sedans coming out, and the new lower priced (and lower optioned) RX400h, the lineup is like no other.<p>I do think the ES will remain FWD, though. The RWD will remain for the "sportier" sedans.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>so the GS will.. not tread in E-class territory?

sashok
10-15-2005, 09:33 PM
OOOO great point about the snow... didn't realize, living in FL seems like the rest of the world should be the same, even though I did live in snow for 12 years.<p>What would be amazing (value-wise) is to have the next ES AWD (and yes, I know that FWD is the more/most fuel-efficient). Just like Ironman said, Acura RL...AWD??? <p>So is the next ES coming out in spring of 05, meaning in a few months, or spring of 06 as an 07 model (a year and a half from today)? I seem to have much more information on the LS than the ES <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
10-15-2005, 11:38 PM
the ES is coming spring 2006, so sometime in March/April 2006<p>GS450h is also coming around the same time<p>the LS is coming October 2006

scorpio14
10-16-2005, 12:50 AM
The dates are looks good... I know the GS450h is confirmed fa Australia in the first half of 2006.... so that means the ES and LS should go on sale within a month or maybe two compared to America. <p>Next years Australian Motor Show is definetily looks big fa Toyota and Lexus wit alota models lookin to be launched there.

carmaniac
10-16-2005, 01:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ironman273</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Infiniti is trying to go at BMWs throat, but their interiors are completely lackluster. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I disagree with that. I was throughly impressed with the M's interior in comparison to the BMW 5-series, Benz E-class, and even the new GS.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ironman273</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I do think the ES will remain FWD, though. The RWD will remain for the "sportier" sedans.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd bet on AWD <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
10-16-2005, 05:43 AM
very doubtful about ES, in fact I will bet it wont have it, otherwise it would compete too much with GS (and it will probably be bigger than GS to begin with anyway)

Ironman273
10-16-2005, 07:51 AM
I'll try to answer various questions in one post.<p>The new RX hybrid will be the same, but without the navigation system coming standard and other options to bring the price down. The new crossover SUV will be launched in the future, but no dates are concrete (I forget the name now, it was a show car). It will have three rows of seat. Please, God, don't make it look like an R-Class. Also, the LX will be dropped and replaced by the JX.<p>The GS is more of a 5-series fighter, not E-Class.<p>The ES will come out in spring '06 (as Lexus Fan said) but the GS450h will come out in summer '06, not spring.<p>As far as the Infiniti interiors, it's obviously a personal opinion. Infiniti has come a long way, but the last step (in my opinion and most car mags) is to bring their interiors upscale. I was actually very dissapointed with the M interior. I thought they would use some of the revenue that the G was finally producing to increase the quality of materials in the M. I think that's the direction we'lkl see in the future for Infiniti.<p>The new ES will have the 3.5 engine. AWD is not offered on the IS350, but it might be a cost issue. With the IS and GS offering AWD models, it may be a model possibility aimed at the northern market. It's not mechanics, as the RX350 will come out in spring also and it will offer AWD.<p><br>Edit: The crossover is based on the HPX concept seen here: <A HREF="http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/030417-9.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/030417-9.htm</A>

LEXUS FAN!
10-16-2005, 01:04 PM
thanks a lot<p>any date on the JX???<p>so the GS hybrid is postponed?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 1:19 PM 10/16/2005</i>

sashok
10-16-2005, 01:11 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to unveil/debut the ES before the LS, since the ES is going on sale earlier? This way, more hype/momentum will be built up for the product release... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
10-16-2005, 01:19 PM
i don't know about that b/c i think there is a bigger anticipation for the LS<p>it won't make a difference i think

vasia
10-16-2005, 01:56 PM
Hey Ironman, you said the real surprise in Toronto was the new ES, not the LS.<p>Can you please elaborate on that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anything juicy you can tell us about the new ES?

Ironman273
10-16-2005, 06:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Ironman, you said the real surprise in Toronto was the new ES, not the LS.<p>Can you please elaborate on that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Anything juicy you can tell us about the new ES?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well, the details were the ones I posted a page back on this thread. The thing was that it came very unexpectedly. Everyone was anticipating LS news and, of course, IS pricing news. The showing of a redesigned ES was a surprise. Like I mentioned earlier, it's going to be bigger and more luxurious. Whatever you felt it was competing with will be left in the dust.

scorpio14
10-16-2005, 07:19 PM
U mentioned in your post on the other page that the new ES will NOT share the same platform as the new Camry... does that mean its gotta all-new one, Avalons one, another Lexus's one???

FordRules
10-16-2005, 07:21 PM
The current ES is my least favorite Lexus.

knihc2008
10-16-2005, 07:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ironman273</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll try to answer various questions in one post.<p><br>The GS is more of a 5-series fighter, not E-Class.<p><br>Edit: The crossover is based on the HPX concept seen here: <A HREF="http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/030417-9.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/030417-9.htm</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i don't understand. i thought the ES was supposed to be the cushy companion to the IS. are they just giving more bang for the buck now? and if the GS was supposed to compare with the 5, why didn't they make it more hardcore-sporty and once again sporty but with the emphasis on luxury?

Bluesman
10-17-2005, 04:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i don't understand. i thought the ES was supposed to be the cushy companion to the IS. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>ES = entry level luxury<br>IS = entry level sport<p>The only comparison is that they're both entry level, beyond that there is no comparison.

Shrek
10-17-2005, 05:34 AM
I think the ES competes with a Buick or maybe a 300c

Bluesman
10-17-2005, 06:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shrek</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the ES competes with a Buick or maybe a 300c </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Buick Lacrosse is the one trying to compete with the ES, they're close but no cigar.<p>300C is a full sized car, it would compete more with the Buick Lucerne or the LS.

Ironman273
10-17-2005, 07:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shrek</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the ES competes with a Buick or maybe a 300c </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I guess it's all subjective...<br><A HREF="http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/compare.aspx?year=2005&make=Lexus&model=ES%20330&trimid=-1&type=Competitors&src=vip" TARGET="_blank">http://autos.msn.com/research/...c=vip</A>

AM2
10-17-2005, 08:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>300C is a full sized car, it would compete more with the Buick Lucerne or the LS.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the Chrysler 300 competes with other large "near-luxury" sedans(mid $20K- mid $30K region) like the Buick Lucerne, Toyota Avalon and Mercury Montego. <p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 11:50 PM 10/17/2005</i>

Bluesman
10-17-2005, 10:06 AM
Yea maybe the LS is a bit of a stretch for the Lucerne, I was thinking more in terms of size comparisons than $$$ and content.

Ironman273
10-22-2005, 07:47 AM
Hmm... The ES will be out before the LS (March '06 vs. October '06), it was seen in Toronto, yet there are no clear pictures or even photoshops (besides that small MagX shot) of the car. Why would that be?

Bluesman
10-22-2005, 08:03 AM
Toyota is VERY good at hiding their new products...... I wish we knew more.<p>The ES is a bastard step child for some reason, nobody has taken the time to chop one.<p>I'll be very excited to see this car debut. I'm hoping it's what I'm looking for in a new car and if that's the case I'll buy one in June of 2006.

Ironman273
10-22-2005, 09:44 AM
Especially considering how important the ES is to Lexus' bottom line, you'd figure they would leak out something to generate some sort of excitement.

Bluesman
10-22-2005, 10:14 AM
Nah, they don't want to give anything away and they'd rather keep us all on the edge of our seats..

scorpio14
10-22-2005, 05:15 PM
Im sure theyll be some computer generated images coming up eventually... now that a few pplz saw it in Toronto.... unless theyre were only Lexus bosses that saw it.

Bluesman
12-18-2005, 07:32 PM
I saw a quick piece on C&D TV about spied cars today, they had a short section on the new Camry. The car they showed had heavy camo but the headlights didn't look anything like the revealed Camry shots we've seen. They also had an interior shot and the steering wheel appeared to have Lexus function buttons and the center stack was nothing like the 07' Camry "garage" spy shots. <p>I tried to find these shots on the C&D website but couldn't come up with it. You guys who have C&D TV on cable might want to watch the latest show and see if I'm calling this correctly but I think their spy shots are of the new ES and not the Camry.....<br>

LEXUS FAN!
12-18-2005, 09:29 PM
i saw it...those are actually pictures of a LEXUS IS mule...they made a mistake; it's actually the IS<p>that is the IS interior (w/o naviagation) and the headlights and tailights are clearly the IS<p>thanks though

Bluesman
12-19-2005, 06:25 AM
At least I'm not imagining things......You would think these guys would get their facts straight before broadcasting misinformation!

Bluesman
12-19-2005, 11:19 AM
Lexus is on the Chicago Auto Show schedule for a world wide introduction. Could it be the new ES!? Check the December update.<p><A HREF="http://www.chicagoautoshow.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.chicagoautoshow.com</A>/

LEXUS FAN!
12-19-2005, 12:13 PM
it is probably the new ES then b/c the LS is at Detroit, and they don't want to do overload

Bluesman
12-19-2005, 12:22 PM
I don't know what else it would be, it's too soon for the RX or JX..... Gotta be the ES.

LEXUS FAN!
12-19-2005, 12:28 PM
the RX350 is coming out in May, but i doubt that would be it<p>and the JX is too far away...they would keep such a big introduction for more of a major auto show like Detroit or NY

Naga Royal Guard
12-19-2005, 12:48 PM
i hope they bring back the celica GT-S and badge it as the ES 350

Bluesman
12-19-2005, 01:01 PM
Why in the world would you want to take a small sports car and put a mid sized luxury name on it!? We already have the IS, doesn't that fit the bill?

Naga Royal Guard
12-19-2005, 02:30 PM
nah, unless they want to make an IS 180 w/ the 2-zz-fse<p>of course i was just kidding, the ES will be the super camry as always

flippin'round07
12-19-2005, 03:45 PM
Not to change the topic over the ES, but is the JX a future small crossover or what?

Naga Royal Guard
12-19-2005, 03:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flippinĀround07</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to change the topic over the ES, but is the JX a future small crossover or what?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>its rumoured to be of similar size to the RX with Rwd and a sportier flair - still a rumor of course, its not like the infiniti FX sales are anything to be proud of

LEXUS FAN!
12-19-2005, 04:42 PM
i'm pretty sure that the JX is the LX replacement, and the VX is the crossover between the RX and GX

vasia
12-19-2005, 10:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lexus is on the Chicago Auto Show schedule for a world wide introduction. Could it be the new ES!? Check the December update.<p><A HREF="http://www.chicagoautoshow.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.chicagoautoshow.com</A>/</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hope so, but for some reason I have doubts. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If you check the vehicles on display, the ES330 will be there, yet strangely the LS will not.<p>Will they add the LS to the list? And if the ES is already on the list, does that mean no new ES for Chicago? I'm getting so impatient, I can't wait to see that ES!<p>There appears to be a world introduction for both Toyota and Lexus. I sure hope the "world introduction" is not the production version of the GS450h, and not the FJ Cruiser for Toyota.<p>I would love more than anything to see the new ES, and the new Tundra be shown at Chicago, although Detroit seems to be most likely for the new Tundra.

Ironman273
12-20-2005, 09:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm pretty sure that the JX is the LX replacement, and the VX is the crossover between the RX and GX</TD></TR></TABLE><br>You are correct, Lexus Fan.<p>Also, the introduction of the LS will be made in Detroit so it's possible that the ES be introduced in Chicago.<p>Edit: Oops, just saw Lexus Fan said the same thing in the previous page.

LEXUS FAN!
12-20-2005, 12:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ironman273</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You are correct, Lexus Fan.<p>Also, the introduction of the LS will be made in Detroit so it's possible that the ES be introduced in Chicago.<p>Edit: Oops, just saw Lexus Fan said the same thing in the previous page.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok...thanks :)<p>any news from your bosses?...haha dates?power?

Bluesman
12-20-2005, 02:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>There appears to be a world introduction for both Toyota and Lexus. I sure hope the "world introduction" is not the production version of the GS450h, and not the FJ Cruiser for Toyota.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The GS450h is already listed under concept cars to be shown, so I can't imagine a world premiere and a concept car of the same.

62Lincoln
12-20-2005, 02:54 PM
For the Lexus fans in the know, are there any plans to do a Lexus version of the new, upgraded Toyota RAV4? It seems like a Lexus version of this vehicle (in the same way that the Highlander and RX330 are related) would be a good product line extension for Lexus, and a really good income generator.

vasia
12-20-2005, 02:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The GS450h is already listed under concept cars to be shown, so I can't imagine a world premiere and a concept car of the same.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>hmm, that's true.<p>But I still wonder exactly how vague "world introduction" is?<p>Does it imply a production vehicle introduction, or a concept vehicle introduction?<p>The LF-Sh in Tokyo was also phrased as being a "world premiere", even though it was just a concept vehicle. <p>The fact that the ES330 will be shown at Chicago is the biggest detriment to the new ES appearing there.<p>You'd think that the new ES would be shown before the new LS, seeing as the ES is supposed to come to market faster than the LS. <p>Maybe the ES may premiere at the LA show, but I somehow doubt that too.<p>It wouldn't make much sense for the ES to premiere in Geneva, unless Lexus designed the new ES as a world car.

Bluesman
12-20-2005, 04:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>hmm, that's true.<p>But I still wonder exactly how vague "world introduction" is?<p>Does it imply a production vehicle introduction, or a concept vehicle introduction?<p>The LF-Sh in Tokyo was also phrased as being a "world premiere", even though it was just a concept vehicle. <p>The fact that the ES330 will be shown at Chicago is the biggest detriment to the new ES appearing there.<p>You'd think that the new ES would be shown before the new LS, seeing as the ES is supposed to come to market faster than the LS. <p>Maybe the ES may premiere at the LA show, but I somehow doubt that too.<p>It wouldn't make much sense for the ES to premiere in Geneva, unless Lexus designed the new ES as a world car. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lexus isn't even on the media schedule for LA so it definately won't be there.<p>You would think the ES would debut first since it goes on sale first, however Detroit is THE big show in North America and the LS is the flagship. Lexus will want a bigger bang for the buck in Detroit than the ES can provide. The ES premier is better suited for subsequent or second tier shows such as Chicago or NY.<p>Don't read too much into "world introduction", all the manufacturers are listed that way in the PR schedule.

LEXUS FAN!
12-20-2005, 05:35 PM
lexus is not planning a RAV4 type of car for their brand that i know of...i doubt they would do such a thing, and personally, i wouldn't want them to <p>the GS450h was not a concept that was shown in NY last year...it was production

ndjan
12-20-2005, 11:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lexus is not planning a RAV4 type of car for their brand that i know of...i doubt they would do such a thing, and personally, i wouldn't want them to <p>the GS450h was not a concept that was shown in NY last year...it was production</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, if it's based on the new RAV4, they should. It would go well against the new RDX and the mini-infiniti suv

LEXUS FAN!
12-21-2005, 11:29 AM
it would go against those cars, but i personally wouldn't want them to go to mini-suv market

carluver
12-21-2005, 01:57 PM
I'd rather have another IS Sport-Cross

spwolf
12-22-2005, 10:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carluver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd rather have another IS Sport-Cross</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you and 3 other people :-).

sc43018
12-22-2005, 01:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it would go against those cars, but i personally wouldn't want them to go to mini-suv market</TD></TR></TABLE><br>and the LR Freelander, Audi Q5, MB MLK (whatever it will be called), X3, Ford & Mazda & Lincoln mini-SUVs soon to debut,......the list goes on, the "luxury" mini-suv market is going to get really, really crowded in the next 1-2 years, Lexus wouldnt be stupid to throw in their own version.<br>back on topic: i think that if lexus can make it as little like the camry, and show some of the magic they have been sprinkling on the IS & GS, this car should be a huge hit, my question is, will it be a plush camry or an entirely different car?

Naga Royal Guard
12-22-2005, 02:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sc43018</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the LR Freelander, Audi Q5, MB MLK (whatever it will be called), X3, Ford & Mazda & Lincoln mini-SUVs soon to debut,......the list goes on, the "luxury" mini-suv market is going to get really, really crowded in the next 1-2 years, Lexus wouldnt be stupid to throw in their own version.<br>back on topic: i think that if lexus can make it as little like the camry, and show some of the magic they have been sprinkling on the IS & GS, this car should be a huge hit, my question is, will it be a plush camry or an entirely different car?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>for the love of god dont worry about what that guy says

Bluesman
12-22-2005, 04:52 PM
I don't know if Vince is up to his old tricks or not but he has another ES "spy shot" posted on his site. A tease is better than nothing at all I guess...<p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2005/12/2007-lexus-es-350.html#comments" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogs...ments</A>

joesuv86
12-22-2005, 09:23 PM
Looks kinda STS ish...should be nice though

vasia
12-22-2005, 10:39 PM
It's pointless to comment on those latest pics, as the camo is very heavy, and there is no way you can make out the exterior styling. Those panels are carboard, and together with the tape they are arranged to provide misleading and false styling cues about the car. <p>One thing that can be said is that glass roof/moonroof option makes the car look very classy and upscale. Lets hope the new LS gets that option as well.

LEXUS FAN!
12-23-2005, 11:48 AM
NEW SPY SHOTS!!!!!!!<p>they're better than nothing, but it's hard to tell what it will look like<p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2005/12/2007-lexus-es-350.html#comments" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogs...ments</A>

Bluesman
12-23-2005, 01:15 PM
Newer than the link I posted two posts up!?

ndjan
12-23-2005, 01:22 PM
Lexus needs to be very clever with how they position this. With inside competition from the Avalon, the IS, and even the GS to a certain degree, the ES has very little room to squeeze into, even if it's Buicks that they're targeting.

Naga Royal Guard
12-23-2005, 02:31 PM
your right, and the avalon is already a larger car than the GS

Ironman273
12-23-2005, 03:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lexus needs to be very clever with how they position this. With inside competition from the Avalon, the IS, and even the GS to a certain degree, the ES has very little room to squeeze into, even if it's Buicks that they're targeting.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>They're going to position it just like they've always positioned the ES. IS and GS buyers don't consider the ES (rarely). Avalon buyers consider it if they want more luxury and the famed Lexus Ownerwhip Experience.

vasia
12-23-2005, 05:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ironman273</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>They're going to position it just like they've always positioned the ES. IS and GS buyers don't consider the ES (rarely). Avalon buyers consider it if they want more luxury and the famed Lexus Ownerwhip Experience.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly. IS and GS are sports luxury sedans, catering to those who want a nice mix of luxury and sport. The ES caters to those who want value and to be pampered in pure luxury. It is a mini LS in a way. The IS is a mini GS in many ways. Seeing as the new ES is the last one to use the Camry platform, the next ES may very well be built upon a derivative of the LS platform. I forsee the ES becoming RWD, and totally losing it's Camry roots. <p>The ES will further grow apart from the Avalon, as it goes way more upscale. Even the new Avalon still does not compare to the 2006 ES in terms of interior. The 2007 ES should be a major step up compared the 2006 ES.

LEXUS FAN!
12-23-2005, 06:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Newer than the link I posted two posts up!? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>my bad...thanks

Hornbag
12-23-2005, 10:24 PM
Is it me or does the side resemble the new Camry? Just how the windows look. I thought they wernt going down that road of rebadging (aka getting bigger headlights and adding cow and wood) anymore?

vasia
12-24-2005, 12:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it me or does the side resemble the new Camry? Just how the windows look. I thought they wernt going down that road of rebadging (aka getting bigger headlights and adding cow and wood) anymore?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The new LS seems to have that "arrowhead" kink at the rear window just like the new IS. Also, looking closely at the ES shots, you can see that kink, although it's a bit small.<p>The 2007 ES still is based on the new Camry, but it will probably go more upscale, judging by the glass roof. The new ES is supposed to be the last ES to be based on the Camry, so the next gen ES after this new one will likely have it's own platform, or be based on the LS.

Naga Royal Guard
12-24-2005, 07:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it me or does the side resemble the new Camry? Just how the windows look. I thought they wernt going down that road of rebadging (aka getting bigger headlights and adding cow and wood) anymore?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>and the IS 250 coupe is hiding under the shell of a toyota crown, your point?

carluver
01-10-2006, 02:53 PM
I'm realy curious to see how they design the ES... the New Camry already looks like a Lexus... I hope they don't just add the IS kink or scale down the LS... I hope it debuts in Chicago.

IcedG35
01-10-2006, 03:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> It is a mini LS in a way. The IS is a mini GS in many ways. Seeing as the new ES is the last one to use the Camry platform, the next ES may very well be built upon a derivative of the LS platform. I forsee the ES becoming RWD, and totally losing it's Camry roots. <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The ES becoming RWD would be very stupid and unlikely. There would be no difference between it and a non sport packaged GS300. If anything, the ES should be dropped and the GS should just coming in sport and luxury packages, with different suspension setups and steering.

T.B.
01-10-2006, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>IcedG35</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If anything, the ES should be dropped and the GS should just coming in sport and luxury packages, with different suspension setups and steering. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That would be a suicide for Lexus. <p>ES sales represent 22.3% of all Lexus US sales in 2005 (67,577 of 302,895), or 45% of Lexus Cars sales (67,577 of 151,266).<br>In 2004 even worse: 55.8% of Pass. Cars, and 26.4% of total Lexus sales.<p>ES is just too important for Lexus to be dropped. <p>I've also read Lexus for the first time surpassed BMW sales in South Korea in 2005 for a few units: because of huge ES sales.<p>

sashok
01-10-2006, 04:34 PM
Yea I don't see the ES becoming RWD... perhaps it will become AWD standard, but it won't be simply a scaled down LS (platform-wise). And it would be totally stupid to drop the ES... SOOO many oldER people love the car, ride, and price (and the image it brings with it)<p>Vasia, are you sure the next ES will be the last ES to share platform with the Camry? (If possilbe, where did you find out?)

against the wall
01-10-2006, 05:19 PM
yea the es is as crucial to lexus as the camry is crucial to toyota.

Bluesman
01-10-2006, 05:35 PM
I grow tired of all the young speed freaks asking that the ES be discontinued...simply because the car doesn't fit their own style.....<p>OK, We get it! You don't like the car! Go back to the sport coupe forums!

IcedG35
01-10-2006, 05:35 PM
Sorry i definitely wasn't clear. I meant if they were to make the ES RWD then they may as well save money and make it into a luxury version of the GS. However, every other company has managed to make their mid entry sedan work for both types of customers (ex, A6, E, 5). Also, while it does bring in a lot of sales, which is above all what a company tries to do, I don't think the ES fits in with Lexus's image anymore. Bluesman, take it easy. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by IcedG35 at 7:57 PM 1/10/2006</i>

sashok
01-10-2006, 06:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>IcedG35</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry i definitely wasn't clear. I meant if they were to make the ES RWD then they may as well save money and make it into a luxury version of the GS. However, every other company has managed to make their mid entry sedan work for both types of customers (ex, A6, E, 5). Also, while it does bring in a lot of sales, which is above all what a company tries to do, I don't think the ES fits in with Lexus's image anymore. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I see what you're saying about other brands making their medium-luxo sedans fit in with either luxury or sport-luxury, but the thing is that the ones you mentioned cost in the low 40s (at least the E and A6 do). The ES is closer to low 30s, thus being priced as an entry-level luxo sedan, on the same level as the IS (price-wise), but not performance-wise. I think it's a genius plan. I think if they designed it like all their new vehicles (following the L-finesse design theme), it would fit in just fine. By the way, what would be Lexus' image? (not disagreeing, just wondering to see where you're coming from). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
01-10-2006, 06:25 PM
Sorry dude, I rummage around several ES forums and it's everywhere. I wish I had a dollar for every poster who doesn't get the ES.<p>If you don't get it, then it's obviously not for you....<p>Once they reveal the new ES ala L-finesse I think people will be more receptive.<p><br><i>Modified by Bluesman at 6:22 PM 1/10/2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Bluesman at 6:24 PM 1/10/2006</i>

IcedG35
01-10-2006, 07:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sashok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I see what you're saying about other brands making their medium-luxo sedans fit in with either luxury or sport-luxury, but the thing is that the ones you mentioned cost in the low 40s (at least the E and A6 do). The ES is closer to low 30s, thus being priced as an entry-level luxo sedan, on the same level as the IS (price-wise), but not performance-wise. I think it's a genius plan. I think if they designed it like all their new vehicles (following the L-finesse design theme), it would fit in just fine. By the way, what would be Lexus' image? (not disagreeing, just wondering to see where you're coming from). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well put. as long as we don't see a CLS CLE C E CL etc From Lexus, then I'm happy. I meant L Finesse, which is associated with sportyness, as the brand image. If they can pull it off on the ES, which I think will be hard on a FWD platform because of the over stance the car will have an nice tight lineup. I think the older ES did a much better job fitting into the Lexus lineup so hopefully they can do it again.

spwolf
01-11-2006, 04:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That would be a suicide for Lexus. <p>ES sales represent 22.3% of all Lexus US sales in 2005 (67,577 of 302,895), or 45% of Lexus Cars sales (67,577 of 151,266).<br>In 2004 even worse: 55.8% of Pass. Cars, and 26.4% of total Lexus sales.<p>ES is just too important for Lexus to be dropped. <p>I've also read Lexus for the first time surpassed BMW sales in South Korea in 2005 for a few units: because of huge ES sales.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>it was actually due to new IS, not ES, according to the press. But yes, ES will not be dropped, although Lexus will be dropping it from certain markets who dont see sense in large fwd luxury cars. European lexus never had ES either...

T.B.
01-11-2006, 06:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>it was actually due to new IS, not ES, according to the press.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not true!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Industry experts project that sales of Lexus cars in 2005 will be found to have surpassed those of BWM, <B>as Lexus pushed its year-end sales by offering discounts, such as paying registration fees for car buyers. Its popular ES330 model is currently offered for about 1 million won ($990) less than its normal sticker price.</B><p>Toyota, which markets only its Lexus brand here, became Korea's second-highest seller of import cars only two years after entering the market. Experts said the <B>Japanese brand successfully attracted wealthy professionals and women in Gangnam, a posh neighborhood in southern Seoul.</B><p><B>"The mid-size sedan ES330 has recorded the largest sales for imported cars for the past three years in a row here," </B>said a Toyota spokesman. "Its success in the Korean market is garnering attention from our headquarters in Japan, even though North America has been our strongest sales spot."<p>Source: inadaily.com</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><B>Lexus sold 5,840 cars here in 2005 while BMW sold 5,786 units</B>, the importers' association said yesterday. <br>Mercedes-Benz came third in the annual sales with 4,012 units, followed by Honda (2,709 units), Audi (2,698 units) and Chrysler (2,158 units). Volkswagen (1,635 units), Ford (1,353 units) and Volvo (1,260 units) followed. <p>The<B> Lexus ES330 sedan was the year's bestselling model with 2,368 units sold</B>, followed by the Honda CR-V sport-utility vehicle (1,288 units) and the BMW 320 sedan (1,249 units). <p>Source: The Korea Herald</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As you can see ES330 was the success maker for Lexus in Korea, not the new IS (launched there in October). ES330 share in Lexus Korea <B>total </B>sales was 41% in 2005!!!<p>The ES330 is Lexus' sales ace among Cars. Not IS or GS. ES - because it is the best money for what it offers - in other words its inexpensive compared to other (even Lexus) vehicles.. It's the same situation in other countries (Asia, NA) where ES is offered - even in US.<p>And as you can read above Lexus offered huge incentives and special offers in the end of the year - just to be No.1 in sales. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 2:27 AM 1/12/2006</i>

Bluesman
01-11-2006, 08:01 PM
Someone posting in the ES forum at Edmunds is claiming an April 15th release date for the new ES, and an unconfirmed debut at Chicago.<p><A HREF="http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?14@@.ef81d7e/213" TARGET="_blank">http://townhall-talk.edmunds.c...e/213</A>

LEXUS FAN!
01-11-2006, 10:14 PM
great find...thanks

C6Dude
01-12-2006, 12:18 AM
Ooh, maybe the resr window will be concave like the Citroen C6!

Bluesman
01-12-2006, 05:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>C6Dude</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ooh, maybe the resr window will be concave like the Citroen C6!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Whatever gave you that idea!?<p>The rear window will be just the like the new Camry.....

spwolf
01-12-2006, 08:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Not true!<p>As you can see ES330 was the success maker for Lexus in Korea, not the new IS (launched there in October). ES330 share in Lexus Korea <B>total </B>sales was 41% in 2005!!!<p>The ES330 is Lexus' sales ace among Cars. Not IS or GS. ES - because it is the best money for what it offers - in other words its inexpensive compared to other (even Lexus) vehicles.. It's the same situation in other countries (Asia, NA) where ES is offered - even in US.<p>And as you can read above Lexus offered huge incentives and special offers in the end of the year - just to be No.1 in sales. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Tine at 2:27 AM 1/12/2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks for the nice report. I read report when they said they delivered 250-300 IS250 in December which tipped the scales in Lexus favour...

T.B.
01-12-2006, 08:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>thanks for the nice report. I read report when they said they delivered 250-300 IS250 in December which tipped the scales in Lexus favour...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's true. Lexus Korea started new IS sales in October, but with almost no stock. So they just picked the orders and deliver those 250-300 cars in December. That tipped the scales in Lexus' favour. But the reason for success was not IS, but ES as you can see. <p>Despite all new models revealed (IS, GS, facelifted SC) ES is still a the highest volume seller among Lexus Cars (w/o SUVs) and thus still the most important model in Lexus line.

C6Dude
01-12-2006, 12:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>C6Dude</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ooh, maybe the resr window will be concave like the Citroen C6!</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Whatever gave you that idea!?<p>The rear window will be just the like the new Camry.....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was just basing that on the very first pic from this topic: <p><IMG SRC="http://www.mag-x.com/images/05041.jpg" BORDER="0">[

Bluesman
01-12-2006, 12:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>C6Dude</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I was just basing that on the very first pic from this topic: <p><IMG SRC="http://www.mag-x.com/images/05041.jpg" BORDER="0">[</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think that's just way that image was drawn. When you compare that side view to the new Camry it's VERY close. The back end is wrong but we've always known that...and the roof line is a little off.<p>So much for digital images..

against the wall
01-12-2006, 01:56 PM
that pic is completely out of proportion.

vasia
01-13-2006, 05:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sashok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea I don't see the ES becoming RWD... perhaps it will become AWD standard, but it won't be simply a scaled down LS (platform-wise). And it would be totally stupid to drop the ES... SOOO many oldER people love the car, ride, and price (and the image it brings with it)<p>Vasia, are you sure the next ES will be the last ES to share platform with the Camry? (If possilbe, where did you find out?)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Many articles have this news, and it originally comes from Toyota themselves. I will try and dig up a link. <p>It makes sense with Lexus' direction of further differentiating itself from Toyota brand cars. The next ES, after this coming new gen, is supposed to be based off another platform, no longer based on the Camry. If this is true, it's possible that ES and RX in a few years may both lose their Camry ties, and possibly share a new platform between themselves. <p>And I was unsure about the new ES being at Chicago, but now it appears this is very likely. At NAIAS, Toyota showed the F3R concept without announcement, which means that the Lexus "world introduction" likely would not be reserved for a mere concept. Also of significance is that before this world introduction, Jim Press is supposed to speak, so I am betting new ES WILL be at Chicago, so just a few more weeks to go <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>Slightly off topic, but new Tundra is also supposed to be at Chicago, so two important and significant vehicles from Toyota being shown, just like the LS and Camry at NAIAS.

spwolf
01-13-2006, 06:06 PM
i doubt ES will change its FWD orientation, it really does not need to. And they can always decide to put different suspension in it, without regards to actual platform they are using, like they do with so many other cars. Same goes with RX, you cant see it uses same platform as Camry, it is not an rebadge.

pbajaj
01-14-2006, 07:31 AM
I think it is possible for the new ES to have AWD. According to this Japanese website they talk about an AWD Camry. However Toyota may decide for the US to save that drivetrain for the ES and not put it in the Camry:<p><A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auto-g.jp%2Fnews%2F200511%2F23%2Fnewcar01%2Findex.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools" TARGET="_blank">http://translate.google.com/tr...tools</A>

spwolf
01-14-2006, 01:51 PM
thats because every single toyota platform has been engineered to accept AWD... And pretty much most of Toyota's sold in Japan have awd and have had them for a long time - corolla, yaris, camry, you name it, it has it.... nothing new.

63Bonneville
01-15-2006, 09:33 AM
I've been hearing a bit about the next-generation ES, but I haven't seen many spy shots, thus far. The Camry's pics were posted prior to it's release. I wonder what show the ES will debut. Also, will the next ES be more Avalon sized? Also, I wonder what will power it... the new Camry has a V6 option with 268hp, the ES could be higher, but could that require AWD, since it may be a challenge for front-drive to handle, even though GM products have high power for front drive (the Chevrolet Impala & Monte Carlo SS and the Pontiac Grand Prix GXP have 303hp V8s, the Buick Lucerne - an attempt to be an answer to the ES & Avalon - has a 275hp V8 and the Cadillac DTS has 275 & 290hp V8 Northstars with front drive) <br>Also, I wonder if the Avalon, which has a 268hp V6, would get a performance for 2007 or so, since it is above the Camry, and the ES is obviously above an Avalon since it is a Lexus. I heard via this site the IS250 is even getting replaced by the IS300 on the lower end with a larger, more powerful V6, I realize it's RWD and a different automotive focus, but still a power upgrade. <br>Sorry about being long-winded and if I got a little off-topic.

Bluesman
01-15-2006, 01:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>63Bonneville</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've been hearing a bit about the next-generation ES, but I haven't seen many spy shots, thus far. The Camry's pics were posted prior to it's release. I wonder what show the ES will debut. Also, will the next ES be more Avalon sized? Also, I wonder what will power it... the new Camry has a V6 option with 268hp, the ES could be higher, but could that require AWD, since it may be a challenge for front-drive to handle, even though GM products have high power for front drive (the Chevrolet Impala & Monte Carlo SS and the Pontiac Grand Prix GXP have 303hp V8s, the Buick Lucerne - an attempt to be an answer to the ES & Avalon - has a 275hp V8 and the Cadillac DTS has 275 & 290hp V8 Northstars with front drive) <br>Also, I wonder if the Avalon, which has a 268hp V6, would get a performance for 2007 or so, since it is above the Camry, and the ES is obviously above an Avalon since it is a Lexus. I heard via this site the IS250 is even getting replaced by the IS300 on the lower end with a larger, more powerful V6, I realize it's RWD and a different automotive focus, but still a power upgrade. <br>Sorry about being long-winded and if I got a little off-topic.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Long winded and run on......<p>The ES will have the same V6 3.5 as the Avalon and Camry. There are only a few spy shots on the Thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com<p>The performance option on the Avalon is the Touring model.

RetroJapan
01-17-2006, 10:07 PM
<b>Lexus Reveals All-New ES Luxury Sedan at Chicago Auto Show</b><br>Tuesday January 17, 5:52 pm ET<p>TORRANCE, Calif., Jan. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Lexus will stage the world premiere of its all-new 2007 ES luxury sedan at a press conference during the Chicago Auto Show on Wednesday, February 8, 2006.<p>Arriving late this spring, the fifth-generation Lexus ES will set impressive new standards in design, styling, engineering, safety and performance.<p>The Lexus press conference is scheduled for 9:15 a.m. at the Lexus display area in McCormick Place convention center.<p>Source: <A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060117/latu137.html?.v=20" TARGET="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/06....v=20</A>

LEXUS FAN!
01-17-2006, 11:30 PM
thanks<p>i wonder why it isn't on toyota's site yet

Bluesman
01-18-2006, 04:41 AM
Finally! I was beginning to doubt myself on the prediction....

carluver
01-18-2006, 06:10 AM
I wish they would have included a teaser image... Tundra will be there too... Big Lexus reveal/Big Toyota Reveal; just like Detroit.

Banker
01-18-2006, 07:11 AM
The Chicago Show is shaping up to be as big if not bigger than Detroit in major introductions. Toyota Tundra<br>Lexus ES<br>Chevy Silverado<br>GMC Sierra<br>Chevy Avalanche<br>GMC Acadia or Saturn Outlook<p>Possible:<br>Dodge Stratus Replacement<br>Chrysler Sebring<p>Toyota may be bringing two major intros - but they won't own the show.

knicks125
01-18-2006, 07:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toyota may be bringing two major intros - but they won't own the show.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just as a heads up, let's not turn this thread into Toyota vs. the world. Please use the Chicago Auto Show thread to discuss about the upcoming debuts and other related materials.

civic9
01-18-2006, 11:20 AM
Teaser image on autoblog...<p><A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/17/lexus-es-330-to-debut-in-chicago" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2006/0...icago</A>

Santeno
01-18-2006, 11:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>civic9</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Teaser image on autoblog...<p><A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/17/lexus-es-330-to-debut-in-chicago" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2006/0...icago</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>That's a picture of the new LS not the ES.

sashok
01-18-2006, 06:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>civic9</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Teaser image on autoblog...<p><A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/17/lexus-es-330-to-debut-in-chicago" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2006/0...icago</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>How can they be so stupid and make such a horrible mistake? Don't these people READ and DO RESEARCH? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-18-2006, 07:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sashok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can they be so stupid and make such a horrible mistake? Don't these people READ and DO RESEARCH? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why don't you actually read the link? They very carefully point out that that is an image of the LS460, not the ES330.

sashok
01-18-2006, 08:18 PM
oooo, didn't see that; just got somewhat mad that there was the LS pic there... my fault. thx

Cozz
01-19-2006, 05:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sashok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oooo, didn't see that; just got somewhat mad that there was the LS pic there... my fault. thx</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Someone once said...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> How can they be so stupid and make such a horrible mistake? Don't these people READ and DO RESEARCH?</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

phaeton
01-26-2006, 08:42 PM
Could this be a real picture from TheCarLounge<p><A HREF="http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2413058" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2413058</A>

LEXUS FAN!
01-26-2006, 08:44 PM
i saw that, but that is clearly a chop off the IS from the Geneva show<br>the C-pillar is different on the real car as seen from the spy shots<p><br>i love the front of that chop though<p>

131172
01-26-2006, 08:50 PM
I like the front too. Feel a bit like the SC. But those back looks like tail lights from the 80s.

against the wall
01-26-2006, 09:02 PM
that chop looks way cool. the rear is horrific though.

63Bonneville
01-27-2006, 05:51 AM
I wonder if the new generation ES will be more (current)Avalon-sized, and what will power it? Possibly the 268hp V6? <br>The outgoing ES was larger than the outgoing Camry and just a touch larger than than the previous generation Avalon (I know it shares the same floor-plan with both). <br>The ES fits into the line-up well; I'm certain it has a following, some like the security of front-drive, especially in the more northern parts of the USA, even though some Lexus offerings have AWD and it's more entry and a softer rider compared to the amazing new IS

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2006, 11:02 AM
the new ES will have the slightly extended wheelbase of the new camry but still smaller than the avalon which is ultimately bigger than the GS

Bluesman
01-29-2006, 07:36 AM
Straight from Lexus literature, and special thanks to GS3rdWOW on ClubLexus for the world wide scoop.<p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1697207#post1697207" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...97207</A><p>Enjoy!

Nippon_Link
01-29-2006, 07:49 AM
Nice find Bluesman This is the official one good job.

Naga Royal Guard
01-29-2006, 07:51 AM
this really does need to remain in the spy shots area, since its not a press release

mzoltarp
01-29-2006, 09:18 AM
same headlights as the Camry??????

Nodnarb
01-29-2006, 09:41 AM
Kind of strange here. While the Camry similarities are glaringly obvious, this one actually manages to look uniquely Lexus at the same time. I'll withhold final judgment until I can see one in person, but this is definitely a big improvement looks-wise over what they have now.

Bluesman
01-29-2006, 10:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">same headlights as the Camry?????? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No.....Close, but they are a different shape. Check post #17 of the original thread, there's a comparison shot of the new Camry front just below the new ES. <p><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198391&page=2&pp=15" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...pp=15</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Bluesman at 9:23 AM 1/29/2006</i>

Bluesman
01-29-2006, 10:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nippon_Link</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice find Bluesman This is the official one good job.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't thank me, thank Gs3rdWOW from Clublexus. We've been expecting this release for about 3 days over at ClubLexus, and he did all the work to get it online.

SHEPO
01-29-2006, 10:37 AM
much nicer!

Naga Royal Guard
01-29-2006, 11:26 AM
does anyone remember the old rumor from the lexus sales person of the new ES haveing " same or very similar" headlamps to the current one ?<p>

Bluesman
01-29-2006, 11:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does anyone remember the old rumor from the lexus sales person of the new ES haveing " same or very similar" headlamps to the current one ?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes I do, that was Liz from Longo Lexus. She asked that her post be deleted.

anonms
01-29-2006, 11:52 AM
My only complaint thus far is that the badge no longer rests atop the grille as with its predecessors.

Bluesman
01-29-2006, 11:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My only complaint thus far is that the badge no longer rests atop the grille as with its predecessors.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>On the grille is better, you can see it from a distance.

knihc2008
01-29-2006, 12:17 PM
wow, i'm very impressed. looks very sleek and taut, unlike the very bulbous and ... weird last generation. nice!

Naga Royal Guard
01-29-2006, 12:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My only complaint thus far is that the badge no longer rests atop the grille as with its predecessors.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>very good point; its always been like that on the ES since the first ES 300 while the ES 250 had it on the grill ( stupid car anyway tho )

LEXUS FAN!
01-29-2006, 01:12 PM
much better<br>the headlights have a similar shape to the S-class and Lexus IS<p>LOVE IT<br>did you read the article...275 hp!!!!!!<p>i'm not too sure about the interior yet...the wood looks fake...i hope it is just the poor quality of the pics<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 12:34 PM 1/29/2006</i>

anonms
01-29-2006, 01:39 PM
Doesn't TMC's real wood trims tend to look fake, anyways?

Cozz
01-29-2006, 01:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't TMC's real wood trims tend to look fake, anyways?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I still say the new ones have fake wood. If they are real then your toilet paper is thicker than the junk Lexus is using.

knicks125
01-29-2006, 01:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My only complaint thus far is that the badge no longer rests atop the grille as with its predecessors.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ditto. "Signature ES", as how I have always perceived. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>As for the scans, would very much like to see better photos since at this point, I'd still give the edge to the current model but that could all change in a few weeks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
01-29-2006, 01:46 PM
i didn't even notice where the badge sits on the older ESs<p>i like Lexus wood compared to other manufacturers personally...it is much smoother and richer<p>i think it's safe to say that all Lexus sedans will be able to go from 0-60 in under 6 seconds<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 12:51 PM 1/29/2006</i>

KebabGud
01-29-2006, 02:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think it's safe to say that all Lexus sedans will be able to go from 0-60 in under 6 seconds<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>yeah .. no<br>8,1 on the Is250 and 8,9 on the Is220d<br>

marysc
01-29-2006, 03:00 PM
anyone know what changes in the rx is happening and when

DoMiNo
01-29-2006, 03:28 PM
Oh, my... I was worried about this car... but this looks gorgeous from what I can see. I can't wait to get a glimpse of the whole thing.

LEXUS FAN!
01-29-2006, 04:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>yeah .. no<br>8,1 on the Is250 and 8,9 on the Is220d<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i meant that it was at least available on every model, not necessary every car...like the GS300 can't go under 6 seconds, but the GS430 can

Flagship
01-29-2006, 04:41 PM
Interior pics from CL.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.pichut.org/up/ESinterior.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198391&page=1&pp=15" TARGET="_blank">http://www.clublexus.com/forum...pp=15</A><br>

LEXUS FAN!
01-29-2006, 04:59 PM
thanks, but someone already posted the pics

vasia
01-29-2006, 05:30 PM
Glaringly obvious similarities to the Camry? Where are all these similarities, because I definitely do not see them, in interior or exterior. <p>My opinion on the badge is that it looked kind of tacky on the hood; having it on the grill gives the car a more cohesive look, as well as making it look more aggressive, especially with that beautiful lower front fascia. <p>The current ES uses real wood, so obviously the new one will have it as well. The Yamaha wood may not be to everyone's taste, but it still does not change the fact that it's real wood. It's not fair to judge how the wood looks based on a grainy, enlarged picture of a magazine scan. <p>I think it's safe to say the updated RX350 will get this engine as well.

scorpio14
01-29-2006, 06:54 PM
WOW so far the ES looks really good so far... now im annoyed it aint heading downunder no more... o well<p>Anyone know if Japan will sell it either as an Lexus ES or Toyota Windom

phaeton
01-29-2006, 07:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WOW so far the ES looks really good so far... now im annoyed it aint heading downunder no more... o well<p>Anyone know if Japan will sell it either as an Lexus ES or Toyota Windom</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Same I want to see this in the flesh.<p>As Lexus is sold as Lexus in Japan I'd presume ES <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

131172
01-29-2006, 09:26 PM
All Lexus after the new GS350 will be released under the Lexus brand in Japan, so the new ES350 will certainly be a Lexus in Japan. Anyway the new Lexus really looks promising <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> . I was a bit dissappointed with the new LS conservative and bland styling but maybe this is what a LS always is. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Naga Royal Guard at 8:52 AM 1/30/2006</i>

Andre
01-31-2006, 01:18 AM
Yaknow, I'm always late to the party. CL had to remove the pics, anyone able to email me?

Gian86
01-31-2006, 03:07 AM
Here it is, this is the real ES!!!<p><IMG SRC="http://i1.tinypic.com/mw5sn7.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i1.tinypic.com/mw5snp.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i1.tinypic.com/mw5sog.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i1.tinypic.com/mw5sox.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i1.tinypic.com/mw5sp3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: carscoop<p>My overview on ES does look like almost the IS.

phaeton
01-31-2006, 03:10 AM
Wow what the LS should have been <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Front has a hint of Camry otherwise good design.

Top Secret
01-31-2006, 03:25 AM
This is still based on the Camry, correct?<p>Car looks incredible - although that center console with the oval-ish shape is just plain weird.

scorpio14
01-31-2006, 03:31 AM
WELL... i dont like it... Okay it looks good EXCEPT the side profile... and the interior centre console looks wierd at the top (oval shape part). <p>After seeing this i dont mind that Lexus Australia decided to kill the ES off

62Lincoln
01-31-2006, 04:13 AM
Much improved over the current model. It appears to have lost some of the excessive front overhang of the current car. The interior has some interesting touches, too. It does seem a bit heavy in the door area, I would like to see a slightly larger greenhouse, but can't fault Toyota for this car. It's a nice evolution of the product, and definitely an improvement appearance wise over the current car.

StevenZoz
01-31-2006, 04:39 AM
does anyone else see a little bit of hyundai azera in the lights esp on the front view?

RetroJapan
01-31-2006, 04:52 AM
Mmm.. not really feeling it at the moment.. Looks really awkard... <p>Perhaps other 3/4 shots will make it look a little better... and maybe a darker color...

Supremus
01-31-2006, 05:33 AM
Too much IS elements... it's an IS with Camry proportions.<p>Bad Lexus, BAD!

Cozz
01-31-2006, 05:35 AM
I really like the outside profile. But yes, it's just like the IS, GS and LS but different sizes.<p>The center dash is freak'n ugly. What the hell are they thinking? Buick?

Hornbag
01-31-2006, 05:56 AM
I've said it before, now I'll say it again. The GS and IS would be very hard designs to follow, they are almost flawless. So then Lexus show us the boring LS. Then they give us another Camry? What the hell? While it doesn't reak Camry like before, it still <B>SHOULD NOT</B> be based on a Camry. Lexus is way better than that. But on the ES, I do like the front, very soft and flowing. The tail lights are a little too big, but otherwise a more Kylie styled ass. But the side profile and inside are hideous! And I called the new S-Class inside alien like! If only it was a little more squarer and less bubble. Side profile is boring and too generic to the old one and the Camry. Here's to hoping Lexus designers stop smoking pot and get back to GS and IS designs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Comrade
01-31-2006, 05:56 AM
yuck! I don't like ot one bit. This remains my fav ES: <A HREF="http://www.fastautosales.com/images/models/lexus_es300.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fastautosales.com/i...0.jpg</A> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Comrade at 7:03 AM 1/31/2006</i>

evomk8
01-31-2006, 06:57 AM
Huge improvement over the current, IMHO, dowdy-looking ES. The Camry/Avalon roots are evident, however. I will have to see the interior in more detail, but for right now, the oval dash feels outdate and out of place for a near luxury vehicle. I have to agree with "Comrade", the mid-to-late 90's ES was the most attractive iteration to date.

Bluesman
01-31-2006, 08:20 AM
I just have to point this out. For the longest time all we had was a digital image of what the new ES would look like, and every time I posted that image I got slammed left and right from many folks who didn't want to believe it was the new ES. We always said the back wasn't correct and that the tail lamps were exagerated, now you be the judge on just how close this really was.....<br><IMG SRC="http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6493/newesrear9hi.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8753/mw5sp31nu.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I'd like to say I had it right all along....

JBlair
01-31-2006, 09:05 AM
Wow. The front actually looks really, really nice. (I think one of the best interpretations of L-Finesse) But the interior is just bizarre (it would have been nice had they not added that weird oval shapeed top to it), and the rear looks vaguely Korean. All in all, its a much better vehicle than before, but its still lacking in a few areas.

Santeno
01-31-2006, 09:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Supremus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Too much IS elements... it's an IS with Camry proportions. Bad Lexus, BAD!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Isn't that the idea of a family design language though? I must say the car (as well as the new crop of lexi) is easily and immediately recognizeable as a lexus, and would hardly be confused with anything else. Personally I really like what they've done here.<p>Now for the cons. Based on these pics, the front seems a wee bit plain and is a bit reminicent of a prior camry model. Not bad, but I wish they had created a more distinct front end. Then of course is the center dashboard design. I actually like it very much, I'm just not sure it belongs with this car's mixture of sweeping and angular designs. It seems a bit out of place and contrived.<p>Otherwise, I am very satisfied with this new lexus. something tells me that the conservative middle aged folks who tend to buy this car will be as well.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd like to say I had it right all along....</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually I was the first one to post it and Magazine X had it right all along.

carjunkie
01-31-2006, 09:52 AM
I liked it better in the Lexus sneek peek that was posted. <p>Anyone notice the e-class like glass roof?

nismo
01-31-2006, 10:07 AM
Wow, Lexus has really been impressing me lately (except the LS, thats just ok). I never cared too much for Lexus but I'm really liking their new style.<p>This ES is such an improvement both in and out. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Supremus
01-31-2006, 10:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Isn't that the idea of a family design language though? I must say the car (as well as the new crop of lexi) is easily and immediately recognizeable as a lexus, and would hardly be confused with anything else.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have no problem with Lexus having a design language. But, while I think the IS is a nice design, putting it's design elements (nose, tail, overal surfaces) into a bloated Camry body simply does not work to me. The proportions, wich are pretty good on the IS, are awful on this ES.<p>Lexus should have worked the design to disguise the stubbyness of the new Camry, not simply slapping design cues from a better looking car that even isn't FWD.<p>Funny thing is, the new Camry already looks like Mazda6 design cues were slapped into a previous gen Camry. Lexus is just doing a variation on the theme.<p> <p>

ndjan
01-31-2006, 11:43 AM
Yes the exterior looks like a stretched out IS, but it looks good. It's tasteful, and the fastbackish profile is elegantly done without being overtly sporty. Ovoid interior is bizarre, but tasteful. My only concern about this vehicle is that it while it has differentiated a lot from th Camry in this incarnation, I predict a lot of cross-shopping with the Avalon, and I think the Avalon has a far superior interior.

VVTL-I
01-31-2006, 01:14 PM
I think it looks pretty good, I am pleasantly surprised as I expected worse. I am not thrilled with the interior center console, although it's beginning to grow on me already. I also like the design identity that Lexus is trying to create.........

Porschefan
01-31-2006, 02:48 PM
What a great looking car! The glass roof is a plus, and the overall design is sleek, sharp and elegant, unlike the current model. A word about the interior: take a look at Maserati's center console in the coupe and spyder, and tell me why, at all, this interesting shape is a bad thing. A lot better than any BMW interior that's out now, that's for sure, and a departure from simple horizontal cuts of wood of aluminum trim (pronounced boring).

against the wall
01-31-2006, 02:59 PM
my first impression of this was, "wow, that looks really awesome". i still think that. lexus sure knows how to bloat a great looking compact sedan into a great looking whatever-size sedan this is.

Banker
01-31-2006, 03:05 PM
The exterior is a huge improvement over the current ugly nose. The interior is another issue. I'm sure the quality is second to none... but that dash. PUKE.<p>It looks like the designers ran out of inspiration when it came time to do the a/c vents and surrounding dash.

Santeno
01-31-2006, 03:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...into a great looking whatever-size sedan this is.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Mid-size.

piokor
01-31-2006, 04:34 PM
Lexus has dropped the ball with this car just like it did with the LS. The car looks bloated, the green house looks aweful, and the interior is uninspired. Although, I do like the headlights. Regardless of the design, this car will still probably be a big seller for the Lexus brand.

vasia
01-31-2006, 04:39 PM
To all the harsh critics, I have one thing to say:<p>wait until you see it in real life. All of the new Lexus sedans look quite different in real life than they do in pics.

Nurburgring
01-31-2006, 04:40 PM
What's up with Lexus these days? I mean, the LS was just plain bland and now this? This looks very fat in my eyes. And what's up with that center stack in the car? I agree with Comrade. I like the old old one better.(The one which died in 2001)

131172
01-31-2006, 05:04 PM
The center console is gonna polarise opinions. I like the 3 spoke steering wheel, looks sporty. However does anyone find that the roof of the meters gauge are too low for normal eye level viewing.

knicks125
01-31-2006, 05:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To all the harsh critics, I have one thing to say:<p>wait until you see it in real life. All of the new Lexus sedans look quite different in real life than they do in pics. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Aren't those shots real life?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
01-31-2006, 05:20 PM
When I first saw the pics, I was a little disappointed...<p>don't get me wrong...it is much improved, but the proportions are a bit awkward...it looks like they have some of the detailed L finesse design features, but the shape is not sporty at all...i would have thought they would have done that at least<p>i think it will grow on me, but the initial reaction wasn't what i expected<p>on the plus side...the wood looks nice<p>now that i look at it again...the only pic that really bothers me is the side angle...the side view is not very flattering<p>btw...we saw this pic a few months ago and...<p><A HREF="http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8250/11fv1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8250/11fv1.jpg</A><p>someone took it near the Nissan/Toyota/Honda HQ...at first i posted it in the altima spy shot section, but could it have been the ES???...it has the same taillights<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 4:33 PM 1/31/2006</i>

vasia
01-31-2006, 05:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Aren't those shots real life?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> very funny, but your statement is a contradiction. <p>Those "shots" can't be in real life, as they are merely photos. In real life means in the flesh :P

spwolf
01-31-2006, 06:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Supremus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I have no problem with Lexus having a design language. But, while I think the IS is a nice design, putting it's design elements (nose, tail, overal surfaces) into a bloated Camry body simply does not work to me. The proportions, wich are pretty good on the IS, are awful on this ES.<p>Lexus should have worked the design to disguise the stubbyness of the new Camry, not simply slapping design cues from a better looking car that even isn't FWD.<p>Funny thing is, the new Camry already looks like Mazda6 design cues were slapped into a previous gen Camry. Lexus is just doing a variation on the theme.<p> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh, give it a rest... it looks nothing like camry, unlike old generation. it looks a lot better. And Mazda, what Mazda?<p>in fact i think it looks a lot better than it should for GS sake.

SV
01-31-2006, 07:47 PM
it looks good, but i have two issues with it - the shape of the C-pillar is a little wierd, and while i like the center console/center stack area is a cool idea, the execution looks a bit...dated, i guess. still, a welcome improvement over the odd-looking current ES.

LEXUS FAN!
01-31-2006, 08:06 PM
where were those shots taken? the port?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by LEXUS FAN! at 7:13 PM 1/31/2006</i>

anonms
01-31-2006, 08:09 PM
Very... interesting. Especially the dash design. At least it doesn't look identical to the IS/GS/LS dash, although that oval top has me scratching my head. But I personally prefer the Camry.<p>I'm liking the all-glass roof like the tC's. Hopefully the wind deflectors won't be shattering this time around.

knihc2008
01-31-2006, 11:38 PM
looks like it's at the port, which makes sense given that sheet's february on-sale date for the ES.<p>i sort of expected this sort of design for the ES. a sort of bloated, weird-looking, proportionally, panache of all L-finesse cues. quite odd looking indeed, like the current ES. (but not as bad)

DerPhaeton
02-02-2006, 03:47 PM
Is the ES350 hitting US dealers in Feb? When is the RX350 arriving and what will it entail?

knihc2008
02-02-2006, 04:50 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i1.tinypic.com/mra148.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>looks like both of them are coming the beginning of february, for chicago auto show debuts and immediate onsale after. and the RX350 gets nothing more than an engine change, but i wouldnt' be surprised to see some trimming changes and the like.

Naga Royal Guard
02-02-2006, 04:51 PM
its already february :(

LEXUS FAN!
02-02-2006, 05:08 PM
february is when they go into production i believe

knihc2008
02-02-2006, 06:03 PM
the box for the ES doesnt' start until the middle of the february column ;D

DoMiNo
02-02-2006, 06:22 PM
Where'd that timeline come from? Ad agency?

LEXUS FAN!
02-02-2006, 07:21 PM
no...although "Team One" is lexus' ad agency<p>someone from CL works for Lexus and this calander was attached to his paystub

tek2k
02-04-2006, 02:56 PM
who cares about the new, still blated es. check out MY 08... LS900h!

anonms
02-04-2006, 03:03 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> 900h?!?

scorpio14
02-04-2006, 05:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>butterfly0fdoom</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> 900h?!?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>U think thats a typo??? if not what engine could possibly mated with the hybrid system??? a V10/12??

against the wall
02-04-2006, 08:26 PM
well they do have a v10....