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Santeno
04-22-2005, 08:24 AM
Here are some renderings of the possible style of the upcoming Lancia Delta, scanned from an Italian car magazine by a member of Autopareri:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.d-signet.it/images/autopareri/Delta4rback.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.d-signet.it/images/autopareri/Delta4rfront.jpg" BORDER="0">

Santeno
04-22-2005, 08:27 AM
The design above borrows pretty liberaly from the Lancia Granturismo Stilonovo Concept from 2003:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.carpage.hu/stilonovo1.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.carpage.hu/stilonovo2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>for better high res images of the Stilonovo go to this page:<p><A HREF="http://www.km77.com/marcas/lancia/prototipos/stilnovo/galeria.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.km77.com/marcas/lan...a.asp</A>

italo
04-22-2005, 08:28 AM
That looks Awsome! I love the looks -- could be a bit more aggressive, but overall very nice looking. All it needs now is AWD and an HF version to satisfy the Lancisiti. I like how they took they took the look of the Lanica Granturismo and Grandturismo Stilnuovo Concepts from a few years ago and incorporated them into the front end design. The back end is pure, modern Lancia, but reminds me a bit of the Nissan Murano the way the shoulders tapper down. <p>Overall very good. Autopareri always has good stuff like this. Does anyone know the name of the actual magazine? <I> AutoItalia </I>or <I>Quattro Ruote</I>, perhaps?<p>Viva Lancia! I only hope that the folks over at Fiat Auto decide to get off their butts and put some new products like this Delta into production. All Fiat Auto divisions were down last month -- except Lancia! If Lancia is increasing sales with warmed over Fiats and little products, just imagine how sales would be if they actually got some exciting cars like a new Delta?<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by italo at 8:42 AM 4/22/2005</i>

PlatForm
04-22-2005, 09:27 AM
awesomee... i like the design.. how about the spec??

MrMGMan
04-22-2005, 09:52 AM
This makes me even sadder about the demise of MG Rover. This new Lancia Delta looks very much like some of the renderings we've seen of MG Rover's now-aborted RD/X60 programme.<p>Oh well.... at least its nice to have another small European car brand forging ahead with its own unique style instead of copying the increasingly ubiquitous 'Germanic' look.

DrPetrus
04-22-2005, 10:14 AM
This looks very promising. Does anybody know what platform this car will be based on? Is it the Corsa/Punto platform? <p>Also, is there any chance of an alternative non-gasoline/diesel engine for this car? I read that Toyota has calculated that by 2016 we won't be able to use gasoline/diesel any longer. That's only 11 years away and any car bought today will still be rolling by then (although probably driven by it's third or fourth owner).

Kakairo
04-22-2005, 10:21 AM
Beautiful. I only wish it was coming to the States...and to the UK.

DoMiNo
04-22-2005, 10:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kakairo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Beautiful. I only wish it was coming to the States...and to the UK.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My thoughts exactly... I love it. Just like I love pretty much every Lancia. If only...

italo
04-22-2005, 01:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kakairo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Beautiful. I only wish it was coming to the States...and to the UK.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Amen Brother! Amen! If Alfa makes it back to the states through Maserati as they hope, then hopefully a few years down the road they'll bring Lancia back here as well. It would be something else to see Lancia here in the State again...and make Lancisti like me very happy.

italo
04-22-2005, 01:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DrPetrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This looks very promising. Does anybody know what platform this car will be based on? Is it the Corsa/Punto platform? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd imagine that it would be based on the Stilo platform. The only reason I say that is cause I read that the next-gen Alfa 147 would probably use an updated version of the Stilo platform instead of a shorter, but more expensive, cut down version of Alfa "premium" platform now used in the 159. The article said that since Alfas will now offer AWD as an option, there's a good chance that the Delta will get this platform to use to play homage to the rally Lancias of the 80s.

AM2K
04-23-2005, 05:44 AM
It is nice to see more car makers going for a nice yet more dramatic design. Its good when car makers take risks, and these are the results...<p>Although i must say that this car in my opinion will not even come close to the original Lancia Delta (integrale version).. now that was a cool car!

summersun54
04-26-2005, 02:21 AM
id say it will be based on the next generation stilo platform. hopefully not the present onbe.its not all that sporty and lancia will have to relaunch the integrale /at least a HF version..<br> I agree with you AM2K the old integrale was the business...

RallyCat909
04-26-2005, 03:08 AM
Its good to see the return of a rallying icon back in production (I hope anyway!) tho Im not at all crazy about the front cap. It IS a concept tho.

CalinG7
04-26-2005, 10:03 AM
Maybe Fiat SpA should focus most of its' attention on Lancia instead of Fiat. They can command higher prices and customers are more accepting of bigger, higher-priced cars from Lancia. Fiat has huge fixed costs, Korean and Japanese competition at the low end. Just a thought.

italo
05-03-2005, 07:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe Fiat SpA should focus most of its' attention on Lancia instead of Fiat. They can command higher prices and customers are more accepting of bigger, higher-priced cars from Lancia. Fiat has huge fixed costs, Korean and Japanese competition at the low end. Just a thought. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree 100%, and it's about time too. I think I might have posted it earlier, but in the Fiat Auto Group, only Lancia has seen increased sales this past year. Both Alfa Romeo and the Fiat brand have seen sales fall -- making Lancia's rise a bit of embarassment really. I say that cause the new crop of Lancias, while stylish, are bascially warmed over Fiats. This isn't to say that they aren't any good, but not completely distinctive as Lancias. So if Lancia has increased sales with their current crop of cars, then just think what they could do with some 'true' Lancias or perhaps some better distinctive vehicles all their own? I would say that Fiat needs to stop jerking them around and give them some distinct products like the Fulvia concept from a few years ago or perhaps a new Stratos or some such. <p>And for God's Sake, please redesign the Thesis soon -- and give it a new name --- how about readopting the "Roman Road" names of yesteryear? <p>Just my thoughts.

AM2
05-03-2005, 09:40 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.d-signet.it/images/autopareri/Delta4rback.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Thought it was some kind of new Nissan.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/2568/2085/norm_21_Murano_MY2005_Eu.jpg" BORDER="0">

Santeno
05-03-2005, 09:50 AM
If I recall correctly, Lancia began using a form of swept back taillight design prior to nissan's use of a similar design on the Murano.

iakovos
05-03-2005, 02:03 PM
Yes, the Ypsilon for Sure and Musa later use this styling for quite sometime. <p>The rear impression looks to be "natural" for a new Delta

italo
05-03-2005, 05:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I recall correctly, Lancia began using a form of swept back taillight design prior to nissan's use of a similar design on the Murano.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's true, Lancia did use it before Nissan -- take a look at the Thesis for proof:<p><IMG SRC="http://home.intekom.com/lancia/Thesis.jpg" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
05-03-2005, 05:59 PM
Mmm-mm. I still love the Thesis. It just never gets old.

carrera4
05-31-2005, 05:08 AM
same pics, now at AMS<br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/01LanciaDelta_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-sport.de...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/02LanciaDelta_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-sport.de...0.jpg</A>

bolita
05-31-2005, 07:47 AM
Astra Front Murano Rear or is it only me?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
05-31-2005, 08:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Astra Front Murano Rear or is it only me? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Only you. Read the previous page and you'll see why.

toby2449
05-31-2005, 08:34 AM
i think it looks fab, nothing like any nissan or astra, since when has an astra looked this good (incl the new 3dr!)<p>Now all we need is for the thing to go into production untouched & in RHD PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring back Lancia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

toby2449
06-07-2005, 11:45 PM
Autocar, one of the Uk's most respected motoring publications seems pretty confident the new Delta will be built, heres the article,<p><A HREF="http://autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=215497" TARGET="_blank">http://autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=215497</A>

Soobyfreak
06-10-2005, 04:53 PM
why the delta not the Stratos?<br>

drugmirko
06-11-2005, 11:37 AM
this one's also touring arround forums in europe for a while... I hope that they'll have their car in this segment again...<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/11171.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/11171.jpg</A>

thegriffon
06-12-2005, 09:07 AM
That's part of a design sketch for the GT Stilnovo concept.

salebg
01-08-2006, 12:53 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autointernationaal.nl/img/fotogroot/deltaA.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autointernationaal....A.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/447/20060105019yf.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...f.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3134/20060105029kq.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...q.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8936/20060105032dy.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...y.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8079/20060105043kh.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...h.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6408/20060105059hn.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...n.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8015/20060105066xb.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...b.jpg</A><br>

salebg
01-08-2006, 12:53 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autointernationaal.nl/img/fotogroot/deltaA.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autointernationaal....A.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/447/20060105019yf.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...f.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3134/20060105029kq.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...q.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8936/20060105032dy.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...y.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8079/20060105043kh.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...h.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6408/20060105059hn.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...n.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8015/20060105066xb.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img264.imageshack.us/im...b.jpg</A><br>

aphophis
01-28-2006, 12:09 AM
new cgi:<p><IMG SRC="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=85579" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?showtopic=100438" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...00438</A>

gt1750
01-28-2006, 04:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thegriffon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's part of a design sketch for the GT Stilnovo concept.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, that is part of the Fulvia sketch.<br><A HREF="http://img.infocoches.com/img/lancia/2003-Fulvia/lancia_2003-Fulvia-005_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.infocoches.com/img/...1.jpg</A><p>The latest pic and the untextured 3D model look pretty ugly, I like the renderings based on GT Stilnovo.

salebg
05-30-2006, 06:32 AM
<A HREF="http://www.cg-cars.com/forum//attachment.php?attachmentid=4919&d=1148924201" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cg-cars.com/forum//...24201</A><br><A HREF="http://www.cg-cars.com/forum//attachment.php?attachmentid=4920&d=1148924209" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cg-cars.com/forum//...24209</A>

CosworthKid
05-30-2006, 07:20 AM
First image reminds me of the concept sketch for new Saab <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
05-30-2006, 08:32 AM
Looks odd. I hope these are just some irrelevant cgis.

Gian86
06-26-2006, 03:22 AM
I just saw those now. Racewaynews.net posted those online here's some again:<p><A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/915/1a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/imm...a.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/915/3a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/imm...a.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/915/4a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/imm...a.jpg</A><p>This must be the most futuristic looking Lancia i've seen.<br>

Ash_Barrett
06-26-2006, 01:43 PM
These pictures have been made by a student in an italian design school. His work allow him to win a price but this don't show how the next delta will look.

jts
06-27-2006, 01:07 AM
wow this car will be damm stylish

salebg
08-08-2006, 07:47 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/_internal/cimg!0/4jdx9q3wtztm0gqy" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/_inter...m0gqy</A>

CosworthKid
08-08-2006, 08:39 AM
Very inlikely Delta wil look anything remotely close to that CG. First of all that looks more premium, more Alfa than Lancia. I know Lancia is trying to become upmarket with its cars but lets get real, they will be lucky if they start selling in most European countries at all. Secondly why oh why name such a car "Delta"? Just because the Delta was the firms most succesful car? This car looks nothing like it so i repeat its highly unlikely the chop is accurate. IMO Lancia should try to be a decent Ford competitor with stylish yet not over the top designs, more realisticaly marketed and use its sporty heritage to ..well..good use. It aint no premium maker, fullstop

mick78
08-08-2006, 04:24 PM
ACtually Lancia has always been quite a premium brand,for sure not a Ford Competitor - Problem is, that with buying Alfa Fiat kinda killed Lancias position...<br>And the room for a really luxurious non german car (what Lancia once used to be) is, well, rather limited....

CosworthKid
08-08-2006, 05:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ACtually Lancia has always been quite a premium brand,for sure not a Ford Competitor - Problem is, that with buying Alfa Fiat kinda killed Lancias position...<br>And the room for a really luxurious non german car (what Lancia once used to be) is, well, rather limited....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since when has it been a premium brand. Now with all due respect i dont know how some companies just decide to claim "premiumship" when others, such as Ford, make a whole of a lot better job in producing cars which are both much better to drive, built better and offer lots of kit. My point being, no one will pay more money for a Lancia than they would for a Ford or even for a Skoda. Lancia's are not even sold in most European countries, can u imagine that? Something is definately wrong with the company's marketing and PR division and one of its biggest problems is pretending to be something it aint. Alfa Romeo has been far more convincing in its premium claims and yet their cars still sell at pretty normal prices compared to BMW's and Audis for example. Besides Lancia's will continue being re-bodied Fiats for some time, put bad reliability and lack of dealers in many coutries and it makes absolutely no sense to me for Lancia to pitch itself as premium. My opinion is make the Delta a true drivers car, pitch it directly towards the Focus as a car yet keep its price to Octavia or Stilo prices. Then, if it gets the right sponsorship, enter the WRC and see if they can re capture their sporty image. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
08-08-2006, 10:20 PM
Actually, it used to be the 'premium' brand inside Fiat Group, whilst Alfa was the 'sporty' brand. However, due to a catastrophic product strategy and a zero to none success of their latest cars, Lancia has almost dissapeared from most countries so Alfa had to take that premium role too.<p>If you don't agree, just remember the old Lancia Thema. My father had one, and i tell you it was a lot better than the Audi 100 from that time (except for reliability, but that's a different story)

DrPetrus
08-08-2006, 10:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>salebg</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/_internal/cimg!0/4jdx9q3wtztm0gqy" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/_inter...m0gqy</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>I like this CGI. So, based on many years of experience I can therefore say with certainty: Ain't gonna happen!<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Also, I think CosworthKid has the right idea, no matter how much that hurts the pride of Lancia owners/dealers/makers. If not done the way he suggests Lancia will never expand to other countries other than where it's sold now.

CosworthKid
08-09-2006, 11:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If you don't agree, just remember the old Lancia Thema. My father had one, and i tell you it was a lot better than the Audi 100 from that time (except for reliability, but that's a different story)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I do remember the Thema, and if not mistaken it was still a Fiat under the skin, kinda like the old Croma/Tipo. In any way i respect your arguements. But i still believe it i will not be good for Lancia to claim "premium" status when its so deep into trouble..at least not just yet.

RallyCat909
08-10-2006, 03:54 AM
I'd personally like to see Lancia return to WRC. But likely not with Fiat moving into the S2000 rally class. <p><br>Lame.

toby
08-10-2006, 05:15 AM
<br>actually Lancia, considering they have been so badly handled by Fiat Auto are doing very well. Consider this, they have a supermini, two MPV, and a luxury saloon the marketing men at Fiat give no funding to! Thats it! Once the new Delta is launched it should enable them to grow there sales. And its also not true to say they aren't sold in many European markets, the markets they are missing from are the UK & Ireland, due to a decision in 1994 to stop all RHD production.<p>

Reppu
08-10-2006, 05:35 AM
Well, they are on sale in most countries, but not really present as an alive brand....sales figures here in Spain are very very sad: 1754 cars from january to may.

mick78
08-10-2006, 05:39 AM
Well, in Austria you see at least quite a lot of the Musa vans - and taking into account that they are the same as a fiat idea but sell for couple of 1000 €s more, the "premium" might still work...<p>But yes, the Ypsilon seems to be less popular than the first two generations and the Thesis (very nice car though) and the Van (what's the name?) exist mostly in theory :)

Ace of Spades
08-11-2006, 01:02 PM
Well I don't get why is it necessary to say such disrespectful about Lancia only because they're not sold in your country. <br>Lancia fell from the clouds of the glory when Fiat bought Alfa Romeo, and realised that had in its hands two marques of great glory. Not knowing what to do, Fiat left Alfa Romeo to survive with its own resources until the late eighties. Then they concentrated its resources on it and it became a real success, in a near-prestige level, with Audi or Volvo. On the other hand, Lancia languished sharing Fiat platforms, with soulless products. It seems that Fiat doesn't know how to mantain two near-luxury markes too similar in its buying public, only that one is more sporty and the other one more comfy. <br>I think that a new Delta that worked along the Stilo, only more luxurious, should be a nice idea. The previous two generations were based on the Ritmo and the Tipo. But they need to put a real spirit in it, something that fails miserably in some of their current models.<br>Today I saw a special Ypsilon with two-tone paint, and it looked to me the weirdest and classiest supermini I've seen in my life. But then I thought, "but it's that boring Punto-based p.o.s".<br>To put it in a few words, what they need is funds, money, $$$$, if they want to put it in profit, it's not only about dressing a boring mass market car as if it was prestige, but provinding it with interesting features. On the other hand, Fiat could sell it... to Hyundai (oh my god, they will take on the world) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
08-11-2006, 01:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ace of Spades</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I don't get why is it necessary to say such disrespectful about Lancia only because they're not sold in your country. <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I gather u are talking to me? Let me put a fullstop to this mate: im not trying to be disrespectful to anyone. But reality check: Lancia has been missing from the action for decades, regardless of whether it is sold in many countries like u say (my bad) its still no where near as popular or profitable. So ok, Lancia used to be premium but like i said it had lost its chance, tragic or not. And i dislike it when ppl can make such a big fuss over companies which today are more than worth being called premium, yet they cannot cause of the stigma of "mainstream" ppl give em, while others can so easily be named premium just because 20 or 30 years ago they where yet now they are not. Point is, Lancia needs to try very hard to prove its a premium brand in our days. I would currently take any Citroen (which used to make some of the most luxurious cars) which looks fantastic, is packed with kit and high technology gadgets, is modern, individual and sells for less than VW's. And if u ask me, Citroen is premium to my eyes too

mick78
08-11-2006, 03:41 PM
The large Citroens (maybe not the C5) have always been premium, specially the old ones. And the C6 for sure...<p>But the small ones? a 2CV is the definition of a simple car, and well a AX or Saxo have never even tried to be Premium. Small Citroens should be simple but Fun cars, like a the C1 or C2 are....

drugmirko
08-11-2006, 04:01 PM
this could easyly turn into wrong debate for this thread, but I'll (beeing Cit fan) add just a bit.... sadly Citroen is not premium brand. their build qualyty, materials, break statistic and depriciation say it isn't! it is getting back towards old fame of difference and charm, but they'll become premium only if they manage to join that unic "gene fo their past" with precision, quallity and reliability so popularly connected to japanese and german marks.... leave aside the fact that they aren't so sinless too.<p>but I'd still rather pick a Citroen over some premium car... I simply love their differnce in approaching things. there's just a fiew car houses with such "panashe". and Lancia isn't far from it. this might be one of the reasons that people still consider it as premium....

DrPetrus
08-11-2006, 10:00 PM
Lancia might have a better chance of success if it was their own product they were selling. Selling a Delta based on Fiat Bravo as premium is hopeless. Fiat might be turning around but they are not yet conceived as a reliable or priceworthy. In a few generations yes, but not yet.

CosworthKid
08-12-2006, 04:20 AM
My point exactly, thank u! I would really love to see Lancia make it big time because i DO respect the brand and i love their indiiduality. But problems are everywhere right now. Oh and on a final note, the Delta was never a premium product in the first place right?

drugmirko
08-12-2006, 05:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DrPetrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Selling a Delta based on Fiat Bravo as premium is hopeless. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>like selling Mondeo "dressed up" as Jaguar <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> ! true..... to some extend.... cause what then to say about selling Focus as Volvo C30 or Golf/Octavia as AUdi A3? they took the same princip wich holds water (or, in C30s case, hopefully will hold)....<br>sharing bases is reality and necessity, if we like it or not! what they can do with this common base later is what it counts...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the Delta was never a premium product in the first place right?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>hard to say... there hardly was premium segment in Delta sized vehicles in mid 80', when Delta was in its prime.... Golf was the king of the class and C segmnet Audis, BMWs and Mercs were almost a decade away! Deltas fame came out of rally, where it swept with other cars and took several rally titules. and from its Integrale road version, wich in 80' was what EVO and WRX were in 90'....<p>if you ask was Delta classier car than Golf? I would dfinitely say yes, but this is the matter of taste. and if you go and compare numbers of best selled cars of that decade, market didn't realy shared my taste... but, on the other hand... they did produce it for 14. years and Integrale still is mytical car! even today!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by drugmirko at 5:36 AM 8/12/2006</i>

DrPetrus
08-12-2006, 09:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">like selling Mondeo "dressed up" as Jaguar <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> ! true..... to some extend.... cause what then to say about selling Focus as Volvo C30 or Golf/Octavia as AUdi A3? they took the same princip wich holds water (or, in C30s case, hopefully will hold)....<br>sharing bases is reality and necessity, if we like it or not! what they can do with this common base later is what it counts...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The argument would then be that the Ford Focus is a car respected in most markets as a worthy product. Ford had to do radical make-over from the Escort in the preceding generation, mk1, and improve further on that, mk2, for it to happen. Subsequently the consumer respect for the current material lets Ford sell low-premium iterations such as Volvo but it's not yet enough to sell Jaguars, which have a history of being perceived as top premium. Same could be said of VW and Audi.<p>This, however, cannot be said of Fiat. Yet.<p>You have to have a record of building reliable and good cars before you sell premium products, it's not enough just stating that they now are premium. A car is too large an investment for a consumer to take a chance on a dark horse. Especially a conservative premium consumer.

CosworthKid
08-12-2006, 10:31 AM
I agree <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

mick78
08-12-2006, 03:26 PM
I think the definition of premium is not only quality. If it was that, Jaguar (just an example) would have never become premium, whilst a 1980s Toyota Hilux would be regarded a premium car..<p>Preium was also regarded different and more style, and thats the way Lancia waas premium until the 80s. And as i said before, the name and the grille seem still to be enough to sell the Musa Mini MPV(exactly the same car as the FIat Idea) at a premium price. You see a lot in some countries (that apart, i drove a Musa recently and was impresed by the interior materials and quality - much above what you find in other small cars).<p>So if they find a good italian and design which represents both Lancia and harmonizes eith what a Delta should be, it might work. An italian premium will always be different than say an Audi or a Lexus. See Alfa Romeo

basti08
08-13-2006, 11:03 PM
bugatti-ish looks.

Tidal
08-14-2006, 07:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the Delta was never a premium product in the first place right?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, when it first came out, in 79, it was probably the closest thing to a premium compact you could buy. Not only because of it's styling, but also because of the materials it used, it had a lot of that " italian flair " thing that so many people on this site seem to want Fiat, and Lancia, to bring back <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> . Maybe it didn't sell as well as the competition, but it sold. It even had a rebadged Saab version.<p>And don't forget the Rally versions, the HF and the Integrale. To my eyes, for a time there, the Delta had as much charisma as an Audi A3 and a Subaru Impreza put together. <p>However, waiting 14 years to replace, and than replacing it with a car that went for a luxury approach only ( this was at about the same time Fiat decided Lancia was luxury only, and that Fiat discovered it had no money ) completely destroyed it in the marketplace.<br>

CosworthKid
08-14-2006, 09:59 AM
No one is doubting the Delta's charisma mate or if it was a good car, just the premium part. The first Delta was a legend but the second (?) gen car was totally unoticed

Tidal
08-14-2006, 10:29 AM
We were discussing if Lancia could have, or has ever had, pretensions to being a premium manufacturer. And imo it can. <p>Maybe the 1st gen Delta was the last real premium car they had, and their latest offerings have been less inspired, but it's really all down to product, and all you need is a car to start it with, like Alfa did with the 156. If this car strikes a chord with the public like the 156 did, then Lancia can reclaim their premium status. It's as simple as that. <p>As for it not being premium because it shares a platform with the Bravo, i don't think many people will know about it. People more and more just care about what they can see and touch, nothing else. Not saying it's the right thing, just the way i see it. Just look at the old TT. Do you think most of it's owner know it shares a basis with the old Octavia? And that was before Skoda had the reputation it has now.<p>

CosworthKid
08-14-2006, 10:39 AM
Yeah ok guys, i DO get the point here. And like i said 10 times already, if Lancia can manage to prove itself then great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

naranhito
08-15-2006, 07:51 AM
Regarding the shared platform, some of you say that using the Bravo's platform won't work - well, back then using the Ritmo's platform did work, so why not today?<br>Also some of you doubt about Lancia's "ability" to be a premium brand. Well, it's always been. The fact that the huge crisis Fiat Auto suffered forced Lancia to share more components with Fiat and cut or discontinue several projects sure was a problem for this image, but the fact is that Lancias have never been cheap cars; rather more stylish and comfortably luxurious vehicles whit very dynamic skills.<p>And on this very car, first I'd suggest changing the name of this thread to "2007 Lancia HPE/C-Segment car". The reason is, Lancia has said several times the car won't be named Delta (among other reasons, because it won't follow the original Delta concept). The internal name for the project is HPE (High Performance Estate), which could also be the definitive name. However, the Beta name has also been rumoured, and they may even use a totally new one. About the car itself, we really know barely nothing; it will be longer than the average of the C-segment and have 5 doors. Personally, I think the styling will be some sort of stylish wagon or a 5-door shooting brake. Maybe even something similar to the Opel Signum (but with Italian style of course). It won't be placed in the same market as the Bravo - it will be bigger, better and more expensive. We can expect a great, roomy interior and some of the engines seen on the 149/Bravo (while the entry level engines of the Bravo won't be used in the HPE, I'd say the engine used for the 149 GTA won't be seen on this car as well).<br>According to that news from Autovisie, the 5th Septemer the car will be introduced (or at least, a style model - the fully functional vehicle should wait at least a year), so the mistery will soon be revealed. <br>In the meantime, I'd just like to ask you to forget the Delta when thinking about this car, as their conceptions aren't similar (well, actually they are a bit, but all the rally halo of the mk1 Delta made the premium compact car concept [as someone said, this was the car which opened the path for the A3, 1-Series, etc...] vanish, leaving the mk2 in a difficult position and turning the job of making an mk3 into one of the most difficult tasks ever) and so, thinking about the Delta will only lead you to a disappointment, since nobody at Lancia is trying to make a Delta replacement.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by naranhito at 7:58 AM 8/15/2006</i>

CosworthKid
08-15-2006, 09:49 AM
Will Lancia make an effort to return to RHD markets such as the U.K.? I think that would be very crucial for the brand, U.K. publications account for many sales around the world since they are basically the "english voice" of Europe. So having Lancia here and feature in magazines, tv shows and reviews online will be a big plus. And in any way i think making cars for only LHD when some crappy makers make them for both is silly and suicidal for its expansion.

naranhito
08-15-2006, 10:06 AM
As far as I know, Fiat is considering bringing Lancia back to the UK, but in the mid/long-term. The UK market is really important as you said, and the Italians are aware of that. RHD markets are becoming more interesting to Fiat nowadays; for instance, Lancia is already selling the Ypsilon in Japan (but with the steering wheel on the left side <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> ) and Fiat and Alfa are trying to increase its presence in Australia (getting more involved in Auto Shows and such).<br>So, I'd say that we can really expect next Lancia's to arrive to RHD markets. Maybe neither the current Ypsilon nor the Musa or the Phedra (not to mention the Thesis) will arrive , but maybe this new HPE and the replacements for the previously mentioned will do.<br>Another interesting strategy by Lancia is that they're gradually separating their dealers from the Fiat/Alfa ones, which is a good thing in terms of brand image and exlusivity. It seems that this strategy meant a sales boost in France the last year without any major news in the line-up.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by naranhito at 10:13 AM 8/15/2006</i>

mick78
08-16-2006, 02:22 AM
I'm not 100% sure, but i think i remeber to have read an interview with L.Montezemalo where he claimed Lanbcia would return to RHD markets as well , but naranhito is i guess right as for sure not with the current line up, rather with the next gen - though i think the Thesis could probably sell in Japan. They like this retro more than we do.

CosworthKid
08-16-2006, 05:13 AM
Its not exactly retro but u got a valid point. If marketed right Lancia could do great in Japan. For the UK the "Delta" segment car would be the ideal car to break back into this market. The C4 was a crucial car for Citroen that showed that the marque was back in form, and also later the beautiful C6. Lancia needs such a vehicle

naranhito
08-24-2006, 04:41 AM
Pic <A HREF="http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2728662d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2728662d.jpg</A><p>Source <A HREF="http://autopareri.altervista.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=131" TARGET="_blank">http://autopareri.altervista.o...t=131</A>

CosworthKid
08-24-2006, 05:02 PM
Seems like a Lancia.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

Sybrain
08-24-2006, 11:13 PM
it seems like a clay model

mick78
08-25-2006, 05:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sybrain</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it seems like a clay model</TD></TR></TABLE><p>99% sure, as there are no gap lines.<p>Anyway, that detail is too small to tell sthg. for sure, could be the Delta or another Lancia, Concept or production car.

drugmirko
08-30-2006, 11:03 AM
now this would certainly go right into the top of current premium class of the C segment ! this looks waay better than A3 or 1 series!<p><A HREF="http://autoinsight.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/HPE%20front.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autoinsight.it/blog/wp-...t.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
08-30-2006, 01:04 PM
Love the rims but i think its too busy and fussy as a design. Lancia makes elegant and simple shapes, this does not look like a realistic possibility to me

drugmirko
08-30-2006, 02:59 PM
nope... I don't share your impressions... design is very simple and fluent (of course certain shapes are slightly emphasised -size of the wheels, flank indentation, lowness of the roof line...) but, basic lines are fluent, clean and coherent. fussy for me is rear end of Honda Civic with its "16 steps". there's no such things here.... roof line is nicely swept, bonnet is wide and muscular, there's no chrome or rubber bars on its side, just clean and heavy shoulder that falls towards grille, reinforced by the side window chrome edging that stretches to the lights (C-Sportlounge had something similar)... in fact, every line and ripple there is, gravitates towards the grille in visible but inconspicuous way. and that is why car looks aggressive and elegant at the same time.<p>in fact, only thing that is bit awkward is that boomerang shaped light. but even that makes it as interesting and not boring, as it looks clumsy if you take long look of it. the other one looks just fine.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>this is definitely the best render that we saw till now! no matter of it's credibility or reliability...<p>....especially compared to such kind of "log" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><A HREF="http://www2.shrani.si/files/delta575359.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www2.shrani.si/files/delta575359.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by drugmirko at 3:09 PM 8/30/2006</i>

CosworthKid
08-30-2006, 04:58 PM
I wasnt using the fussy word compared to other cars such as Civic. Im purely comparing Lancia to Lancia if that makes sense. I also think Civic is far too busy. This impression..dunno...i think there is more going on the front than necessary plus the crome strips around windows etc. And the headlamp design is trying to much where a simple shape would do it far more justice IMO.

Gian86
08-30-2006, 10:47 PM
That pic could be as concept for paris first. Well see soon.<br>However, the looks on Delta is awesome. But the style look bit similar to the next bravo.

drugmirko
09-02-2006, 03:39 PM
damn..... loks greate even from rear end! I hope that they'll show it as concept HPE in Venezia.... and there was a spy shot of half finished rear end of Lancia, that looked like a mutant bike helmet.... it makes sense now... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><A HREF="http://autoinsight.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/retro.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autoinsight.it/blog/wp-...o.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
09-03-2006, 02:36 PM
Wow! Wasnt sure about the front but the rear shot is amazing. If Lancia goes with this it will be a serious contender for Citroen as the most stylish hatch. Its almost a cross between the C4 (not in actual design, rather in design flair) and the Volvo C30 (huge rear glass area with lights mounted on the sides).That rear shot also looks very similar to that snippet we saw a few posts back of what appeared to be the rear of a clay model. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

carrera4
09-04-2006, 10:54 AM
two new cgi from autotriti.gr - seen at autoscoops.be<br><A HREF="http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/autotriti/390/NEWS/LDNUOVA1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/au...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/autotriti/390/NEWS/LDNUOVA2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/au...2.jpg</A>

Mil
09-04-2006, 11:02 AM
Nice, might bring back Lancia as an icon.

hyundaidriver
09-04-2006, 11:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carrera4</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">two new cgi from autotriti.gr - seen at autoscoops.be<br><A HREF="http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/autotriti/390/NEWS/LDNUOVA1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/au...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/autotriti/390/NEWS/LDNUOVA2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotriti.gr/jpg/au...2.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>not just a cgi, that IS the delta hpe concept.

carrera4
09-04-2006, 11:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hyundaidriver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not just a cgi, that IS the delta hpe concept.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they're official pics!!<br><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=379" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...d=379</A><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by carrera4 at 11:54 AM 9/4/2006</i>

tyter1
09-05-2006, 03:43 AM
from Autopareri<p><IMG SRC="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/915/3a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/915/1a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/915/2a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/915/4a.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by tyter1 at 3:34 PM 9/5/2006</i>

toby
09-05-2006, 04:19 AM
if the new Delta looks that fantastic, i want one right now!!!!!!!!!! it looks much better than i thought! Nice one Lancia! Oh but lets not get carried away, this could be just another image of what someone thinks it "might" look like!

the1
09-05-2006, 04:30 AM
What do you mean? It's an actual concept and the production version will be very close to this prototype.

tyter1
09-05-2006, 04:46 AM
They're photos of the real concept presented today at Venice film festival by Mr Montezemolo and Marchionne, president and CEO of Fiat Group.<br>I don't thik the final version will be much different fron this.<br>Wait for seeing the interior<br>Being a Lancia it should be luxury, but I hope the style is not too baroc

CosworthKid
09-05-2006, 05:58 AM
Great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

toby
09-05-2006, 06:28 AM
wow, i didn't realise they were actual pics, then roll on the RHD version, and i'll order me one! FANTASTIC

the1
09-05-2006, 10:17 AM
Are Lancias still sold in UK?

CosworthKid
09-05-2006, 12:33 PM
Not through official dealers. Lancia's are only made in LHD

tyter1
09-05-2006, 12:34 PM
I do not remember which magazine told that Lancia will be back in Uk when the Delta Integrale will be ready<br>In any case Fiat is rebuilding all its net in Europe to boost sales. Today it would be impossible to sell this car decently<br>And Marchionne today said that in the near future Lancia dealers will be more and more often next door to Alfa dealers

qazqaz
09-05-2006, 12:38 PM
Today Lancia have just announced that from 2008 the new Lancia Delta will be sold through Alfa dealers in the UK and the new Lancia Delta will be sold in RHD form. And this will be start of Lancia comeback to the UK and no doubt other RHD markets.<p>Details here :-<br><A HREF="http://www.whatcar.co.uk/news-article.aspx?NA=222219" TARGET="_blank">http://www.whatcar.co.uk/news-...22219</A><br>

CosworthKid
09-05-2006, 12:54 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
09-05-2006, 09:28 PM
OMG!!! Please Ateco, bring Lancia back to Australiam roads!!!!!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

toby
09-06-2006, 12:19 AM
this is brilliant news, i cannot wait to see Lancias' back on Irish roads!!!!!!! As a huge fan of the marque, this is something we can all get genuinely excited about!!!!!!!!

toby
09-06-2006, 05:22 AM
heres a video of the presentation of the new Delta, the quality isn't great, but the sentiment is clear... Lancia Forever...<p><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnKFANhx2A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eautoblog%2Eit%2Fpost%2F502 8%2Fconferenza%2Dlancia%2Da%2Dvenezia%2Dfoto%2De%2 Dvideo" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...video</A><p>Makes me feel now that lancia is fully in the mind of Fiat Auto, its their time to shine

didsburychief
09-06-2006, 06:17 AM
I like the rear, but the rest seems weak to me - the side could have come from any number of manufacturers, looks like SEAT Leon, Kia Ceedee...

Horizon
10-30-2007, 03:04 PM
Dead thread ?<p>Looks good. Bit of a 5er look up front.<p><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1696/delta2co4nj1.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><A HREF="http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=519&i=delta2co4nj1.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1696/delta2co4nj1.2c0afd1925.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

CosworthKid
10-30-2007, 05:08 PM
And i bit of Citroen C5 as well while it also manages to remind me of MG cars. I need to see the car in profile to decide if i like it or not though. I am excited about Lancia though, since in my country cars drive on the left side of the road we haven't had Lancia cars for a long while (i think the last Delta was also the last Lancia to be sold here) and now that they are preparing for a comeback to the UK this means they will once again be available here! And seeing how much Fiat and Alfa Romeo have improved it gives me high hope that the next crop of Lancia cars will be great

wildeye
10-30-2007, 10:05 PM
To much BMW 5er and Skoda Fabia (the grill).

toby
10-31-2007, 06:27 AM
i can't wait to see the Delta, i'm going to the Geneva Motor Show next year where Lancia will launcyh the production version, then i'll have to sit back & wait for it to get to ireland & put an order in for one!

Tidal
10-31-2007, 08:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wildeye</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To much ... Skoda Fabia (the grill).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Err... Lancia Thesis?

Horizon
10-31-2007, 12:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And i bit of Citroen C5 as well while it also manages to remind me of MG cars. I need to see the car in profile to decide if i like it or not though. I am excited about Lancia though, since in my country cars drive on the left side of the road we haven't had Lancia cars for a long while (i think the last Delta was also the last Lancia to be sold here) and now that they are preparing for a comeback to the UK this means they will once again be available here! And seeing how much Fiat and Alfa Romeo have improved it gives me high hope that the next crop of Lancia cars will be great</TD></TR></TABLE><p>True, there's a bit of C5 too at the front.<p>About the profile, i hope it wont be like the one on the concept:<br>Its one of those "generic" profile that reminds me too much of Seat Leon, Kia Cee'd, Mazda 3, etc...<p>And i really see a revived Lancia competing head to head with citroen (at least above the C4).<br>Somehow they seem to now have the same customer base to me.<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Horizon at 7:40 PM 10/31/2007</i>

CosworthKid
11-01-2007, 01:16 AM
Lancia vS Citroen huh? U might be right, they both have customers who are after something more stylish and individualistic..but on the other hand aren't Lancia's pitched as semi-premium in the Fiat group? I have no idea about actual pricing of Lancia's but i do know that Citroen is fairly cheap at the moment.

CosworthKid
11-01-2007, 04:10 AM
If the Delta ends up looking similar to the concept shown a while back i would be happy. Styling wise it would be closer to the Volvo C30 which ain't a bad thing considering how well that car is doing<IMG SRC="http://bp1.blogger.com/__FoOrnc0QD8/Ryf5yq2COuI/AAAAAAAABm0/02eTLe9R5Lc/s400/Lancia+Delta+HPE+concept+rear.jpg" BORDER="0">

thedesigner
11-01-2007, 08:54 AM
Uh... I thought 'updated' classics were supposed to improve on the original?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>didsburychief</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the rear, but the rest seems weak to me - the side could have come from any number of manufacturers, looks like SEAT Leon, Kia Ceedee...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I couldn't agree more... it owes virtually nothing to the original and it's not impressive... in fact, it's kinda boring and horrifically 'of-the-times'. This car already looks old... and even worse, it looks a bit Chinese. Absolute rubbish... bloated, indecisive, unidentifiable, modern BS.... if this were a Kia or a Seat I'd it's O-K... but a Delta?! The rear is nice enough but who cares about the rest. It looks like a mediocre early design proposal that forgot to get axed on its way to the show circuit. Sounds like everyone is excited about the nameplate and not the car. Sorry to crap on the parade. This is not a proper Delta successor.... IMHO.<p>

Horizon
11-01-2007, 10:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lancia vS Citroen huh? U might be right, they both have customers who are after something more stylish and individualistic..but on the other hand aren't Lancia's pitched as semi-premium in the Fiat group? I have no idea about actual pricing of Lancia's but i do know that Citroen is fairly cheap at the moment.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, you right, i think Lancia is more or less suppose to play in the light-premium market but since Citroen released the C5 pics it looks like they moved, themselves, one level up on the quality "ladder" and they seem to appeal to the same demographic nowadays.

CosworthKid
11-01-2007, 12:39 PM
True about Citroen but don't forget that other mainstream brands such as Ford have also done that while keeping prices low. I'm just taking a guess but i think a Delta will be more expensive than a Bravo but around the same price as an Auris or, heck, an Astra. I don't expect it to be as cheap as a Focus, Octavia, C4, Leon etc but definitely not up to S40 or even Golf prices..at least i hope <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.worldcarfans.com/CSS/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Horizon
11-27-2007, 12:15 PM
<p><A HREF="http://www.autoblog.it/post/11417/lancia-delta-hpe-svelato-il-design-definitivo" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.it/post/11...itivo</A>

CosworthKid
11-28-2007, 04:53 AM
The links with the Bravo are really showing, the profile in particular. I hope they give it some distinct wheel designs as well.<p>Since Lancia's are not yet available in RHD i'm really anticipating their return to my market in a couple of years. But i am puzzled as to how the pricing will differentiate between Fiat/Lancia/Alfa Romeo on their respective models Bravo/Delta/149..? For some reason the 1.4L Bravo Dynamic Plus is priced at 8.800CY while every other 1.4 litre in this segment is actually cheaper here (a big surprise given Fiat is a very slow seller here with a bad dealer rep). So i'm guessing the 149 will be priced at Volvo C30 or even BMW 1-series prices. So where does that leave the Delta? It will be more premium than the Bravo but needs to be less expensive than the Alfa..So are we talking VW Golf pricing here?

Tidal
11-28-2007, 07:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The links with the Bravo are really showing, the profile in particular.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>It's supposed to share it's windscreen and front doors with the Bravo, for cost saving reasons. I guess that there wasn't much they could do with it. Thankfully it looks quite good.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For some reason the 1.4L Bravo Dynamic Plus is priced at 8.800CY while every other 1.4 litre in this segment is actually cheaper here </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm sure that that has something to do with your market. Here in Portugal, and i guess in most other European countries, The Bravo is quite well placed when it comes to pricing. <p>As for the Delta, i wouldn't be surprised if it did have a price tag equivalent to that of the Golf. It would seem quite reasonable to me, if the features, the quality and the glamour that i'm expecting it to have are there.

CosworthKid
11-28-2007, 07:52 AM
Yes i know it's probably my market only. All the other dealerships here are offering their cars in great value prices, a base 1.4 Focus starting at just 6.990. Sure it comes with less kit and doesn't look as good but still...<p>Anyways, im really looking forward to the Delta <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.blackfalconmedia.com/CSS/smilies/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Horizon
11-28-2007, 02:28 PM
It also look like the hyundai I-30 a bit dont you think ?<p>Good point for the pricing.<br>They could price it like the 149 and pitch it as an alternative to that car since it will be somewhat a premium hatch but since Lancia is back from the dead and hardly have a huge following that wouldnt be a good move i guess....

RallyCat909
11-28-2007, 04:21 PM
Well for rally fans such as myself, the prospect of Lancia returning to the WRC seems a bit better, though I'll warrant Fiat might be a problem. Lancia dominated rallying for over 20 years in the 70 through the early 90s.

Reppu
11-29-2007, 12:47 AM
I'm really waiting for this car to replace my aging 307. My dad used to have a Thema back in the early 90s and it was a FANTASTIC car. I miss lancia so much...they need to nail it with this car.

Horizon
12-22-2007, 02:07 PM
A teaser :

CosworthKid
12-22-2007, 03:19 PM
I'm really waiting for this car to replace my aging 307. My dad used to have a Thema back in the early 90s and it was a FANTASTIC car. I miss lancia so much...they need to nail it with this car.

I hope so too. I also hope the difference between the Delta and the Bravo aren't restricted to the exterior shettmetal alone. I mean sure, both cars will probably be extremely similar if not identical mechanically but i would expect a MUCH better interior in the Lancia, with higher quality materials, finesse in the design and individuality since i am not a fan of the Bravo's interior design. The Delta being priced similarly to the 149 and focus on class and luxury as opposed to the Alfa's sporty and sexy nature makes sense to me as well

DoMiNo
12-23-2007, 04:08 AM
The Delta being priced similarly to the 149 and focus on class and luxury as opposed to the Alfa's sporty and sexy nature makes sense to me as well

Agreed; that's how I envision it as well. I don't think that the two brands are redundant so long as their focuses remain clear and distinct. I have no doubt the Delta will have a much higher-class interior than the Bravo, I'm really looking forward to it :) Lancia is a resource FIAT has yet to successfully exploit; people are suckers for Italian style and I think the Delta will be a terrific product to expand distribution to more of Europe (and hopefully, someday, beyond...).

CosworthKid
12-23-2007, 10:13 AM
Indeed DoMiNo, FIAT desperately needs to address the bad rep of their dealerships in almost the entire European continent as well as the frequently mentioned reliability issues. If Ford could overcome similar issues in such a short time frame in Europe then it is also possible for the FIAT group. Otherwise they will be waisting perfectly good product and some of the most beautiful designs in the world due to such issues

boston
12-23-2007, 12:35 PM
Reminds me of the Volvo C30 especially from the rear.

Its certainly the same genre of vehicle. Looks lik Europe in taking the hot hatch/GTI vehicle more towards personal sporty vehicles. Perhaps the baby boom generation has grown up kids and its time for something different.

Horizon
12-26-2007, 02:24 PM
I guess this is it.
Here's a french ad from Lancia wishing their customers a happy holydays but above all they're showing the new Delta.

The slogan: you'll all want your present in june 2008.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6201/voeux2008oq4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

ajprice
12-26-2007, 02:36 PM
One thing that bugs me about this is the rear lights and humpback. If this car was on the road as it is, from a rear 3/4 you can't see the light cluster on the far side. Could cause some confusion with indicator signals (if its got reverse light on one side and fog on the other then its worse again)

Horizon
12-26-2007, 02:44 PM
Good point. we'll have to see in real life if it's a genuine nuisance.
Thing is the car i posted above has blue tinted headlamps so i'am wondering if this still the HPE concept
of a few years back.
Unless the new car will be exactly like this it would be odd for Lancia to advertise it with the concept if the production car will be even slightly different.

EDIT: Its VERY reminiscent of the new Fiat Bravo, especially front 3/4 view.

Tidal
12-27-2007, 04:30 PM
i'am wondering if this still the HPE concept
of a few years back.


It is. Lancia.fr just added a bow :D

[img=http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5194/lanciadeltahpeconceptjv8.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT: Its VERY reminiscent of the new Fiat Bravo, especially front 3/4 view.

Same front doors and windshield, cost cutting measure

Horizon
12-27-2007, 10:30 PM
It is. Lancia.fr just added a bow :D

[img=http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5194/lanciadeltahpeconceptjv8.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

Tramps.
Fooling us like this.



Same front doors and windshield, cost cutting measure

Oh ok, i dint know it shared those things.that explains a lot i guess.

Tidal
01-17-2008, 07:30 PM
Video of the new Delta's body, taken from the factory. Rear looks exactly like the concept's

http://www.autohoje.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72387&Itemid=54

alettone75
01-17-2008, 07:32 PM
here is a leaked video clip of the naked chassis taken from autopareri.it

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alettone75
01-17-2008, 07:34 PM
ohhh man you beated me for just 2 min! how fun

alettone75
01-18-2008, 10:36 AM
i think the body shape looks nice and sharp... let's see the we it gets dressed up!