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Charger
04-13-2005, 01:50 PM
<A HREF="http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/sneakpeek/cars/07solstice.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix...e.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pontiac tests high-output version of Solstice roadster<p><br> Spied on a recent engineering test trip in the mountains, this prototype of the new Pontiac Solstice sports some additional high-performance hardware, including dual exhaust pipes and an intercooled engine.<br> The high-output model, slated to follow the introduction of the 2006 Solstice by a year, is rumored to be powered by a supercharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine that will make around 200 horsepower and will be harnessed to a six-speed manual transmission.<br> The standard Solstice, which Detroit auto show crowds adored in concept form in 2004, debuts this fall.<br> The two-seater will be outfitted with a 177-horsepower four-cylinder engine and five-speed manual gearbox, four-wheel disc brakes, 18-inch wheels and tires, a CD player and a glass rear window -- all for $19,995.<br> <br> -- Paul Lienert </TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: detnews<br>

Aidan
04-13-2005, 02:13 PM
They look really cool...even with the Camoflague....177bhp, could be bigger !

knicks125
04-13-2005, 02:20 PM
177 is the regular verison...the supercharged ones are going to be 200, as posted...<p>177 is enough for a roadster with that kind of weight...miata is the perfect example...I can tell you it would be faster than the regular G6 &lt;-- with its 200hp (just a comparsion of two cars by pontiac, no knocks on G6 although it's still doing a bad job on its marketing, telling the truth would be a good start)

Mindless T
04-13-2005, 05:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">177 is the regular verison...the supercharged ones are going to be 200, as posted...<p>177 is enough for a roadster with that kind of weight...miata is the perfect example...I can tell you it would be faster than the regular G6 &lt;-- with its 200hp (just a comparsion of two cars by pontiac, no knocks on G6 although it's still doing a bad job on its marketing, telling the truth would be a good start)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>G6 is a failure just like the car it replaced...

knicks125
04-13-2005, 05:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mindless T</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>G6 is a failure just like the car it replaced...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't like the G6 (for what you get, and too pricey) but you have to give it some time and let consumers absorb the product<p>and the Grand Am was not a failure...it did fairly well and lasted longer than any of us would have thought

Mindless T
04-13-2005, 05:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't like the G6 (for what you get, and too pricey) but you have to give it some time and let consumers absorb the product<p>and the Grand Am was not a failure...it did fairly well and lasted longer than any of us would have thought</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I meant that it was a failure as a car, Grand Am was one of the worst cars you could buy...

Charger
04-13-2005, 06:12 PM
This is a Solstice thread, not a G6 or Grand Am thread. Please stay on topic

erzhik
04-13-2005, 07:56 PM
wasn't that a concept some time ago?<br>looks like a mixture of 350Z, S200. But looks really good

mzoltarp
04-14-2005, 05:15 AM
GM has an opportunity to resurrect the Camaro as a Solstice coupe with a hot V6. One has to wonder if GM was bright enough to design the chassis to be big enough to accept a V8. My guess is some nimrod wanted to stay true to the Miata mode of loving 4 cylinder engines to the point of making a V8 impossible. A Solstice with a V8 would be a modern version of the TVR Griffith of the early 60's. And THAT my friends is a lot more captivating than a "Miata" and a "Supercharged Miata".

knicks125
04-14-2005, 06:24 AM
anyone happen to know what the target number for the GXP trim, as far as sales are concerned, how many of these are they going to produce?<p>My take on this is that I wish this rumor would just be a rumor...the simple fact the at 20k the solstice will sell and attract many buyers and attentions, anything higher than that you are entering dangerous terrority, a simple 23hp increase is not going to compensate the sharp price increase I have in mind...<p>I'd say hold off on this project until the regular version is unveiled and see how it does and then decide...

Dodger
04-14-2005, 08:15 AM
I agree. I thought the purpose of the Solstice was to be a fun convert for around $20K. I say if they want to make something more powerful, make it the Sky and go more upmarket with that.

Santeno
04-14-2005, 08:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GM has an opportunity to resurrect the Camaro as a Solstice coupe with a hot V6. One has to wonder if GM was bright enough to design the chassis to be big enough to accept a V8. My guess is some nimrod wanted to stay true to the Miata mode of loving 4 cylinder engines to the point of making a V8 impossible. A Solstice with a V8 would be a modern version of the TVR Griffith of the early 60's. And THAT my friends is a lot more captivating than a "Miata" and a "Supercharged Miata".</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The reason for not offering larger engines is mainly price. GM is quite deliberately and specifically targetting the highest selling roadster in the world (year in and year out for over 10 years). To take sales away from it they have to target it's pricepoint (or hit below it). The added engineering costs of an 8-cyl., might make it a hot performer, but it would also bump the price upward, thus limiting the volume of sales.

Bass-o-Matic
04-14-2005, 10:36 AM
Though never offered by Mazda, directly, Monster Motorsports did sell a few Mustang GT 5.0L-powered Monster Miatas through some select Mazda dealers. It was a relatively painless install and, though it did change the balance a bit, was still a fun (roaring) car... <p>Ironically, the existence of the RX7 Twin Turbo might have been part of the reason that MMA never really got more behind this project... which might be more likely reflect the reason why you'll not see a Solstice V8. Consider the protective nature of Chevrolet and the Corvette team of the iconic American Sports Car; It was this protective nature that many cite as to why Fiero ended up so poorly executed in it's initial form, even being pitched to management as a 2-seat 4-cyl. commuter rather than as a 2-seat sports car. <p>With GM's pushrod V8s, you could probably package a V8 in Solstice, the question being with just how much modification...<p>Sign me,<br>Wasco Tiger

syclone
04-14-2005, 06:52 PM
again, with the v8 idea you guys are forgetting how light this car is. im sure a v8 or at least a pretty powerful v6 or even some other whacky thing like a rotary or hybrid will fit with some tweaking. the biggest problem is adding all that weight over the front wheels of a light rear wheel drive car will definitely screw up handling to the point where even more money and time will need to be put into it than worthwhile.

Uberwagon
04-14-2005, 08:19 PM
I just read that the standard Solstice is going to come in at around 3200 lbs. That's not light. I'd say that 200hp version is going to be necessary after all!<p>But an LS6-powered 400hp "Solstice GTO" would be pretty damn sweet, wouldn't it?!<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

hokman
04-14-2005, 11:06 PM
3200lbs? I thought this is a Opel Speedster replacement. Guess not...<p>yea, nissan's 350z is about 3200lbs or less but has a full 287hp.

knicks125
04-15-2005, 04:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just read that the standard Solstice is going to come in at around 3200 lbs. That's not light. I'd say that 200hp version is going to be necessary after all!<p>But an LS6-powered 400hp "Solstice GTO" would be pretty damn sweet, wouldn't it?!<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wrong...official spec has it at 2,860 lbs...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 10:44 AM 4/15/2005</i>

Santeno
04-15-2005, 07:57 AM
I just checked several sources and they all list the Curb weight of the solstice as 2,860 lbs (340 Lbs lower than your quote). The new MX-5 is either 2460 or 2430 lbs (about 20 lbs + or - the weight of the previous generation, depending on which source you read).

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 01:47 PM
Excellent news! The lighter the better. I hope that source was right because the 3200 lbs I read about (in review of an early prototype) would have put this on the edge of portliness. At 170 hp (177?), it still won't be quick but if the handling is right it'll be great fun.<p>Any of you driven a spec Miata? I rented one once and it's all about momentum. You carry as much speed through the corners possible rather than rely on throttle to fix things coming. I suspect the Solstice might share this trait. Let's cross fingers for a nice, inexpensive race series down the road <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Bass-o-Matic
04-15-2005, 02:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">again, with the v8 idea you guys are forgetting how light this car is. im sure a v8 or at least a pretty powerful v6 or even some other whacky thing like a rotary or hybrid will fit with some tweaking. the biggest problem is adding all that weight over the front wheels of a light rear wheel drive car will definitely screw up handling to the point where even more money and time will need to be put into it than worthwhile.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Kind of depends on what the weight of the individual powertrains is, because though the V8 is definitely more mass, the I4 might not be that much of a lightweight, especially since it wasn't originally engineered for this FR application. Besides, you can do an amazing amount with redeploying components (batteries, to start), as well as lightweight materials for targeted components.<p>Like I said in my post about the Monster Miata, though it wasn't as well-balanced as the stock Miata, it was by-no-means a pig, especially with a healthy dose of torque available on demand/ at all times.<p>On the other hand, braking was an area where subsequent Monsters were improved (the one I drove, an early one, had RX7- and previous generation TurboII ones, at that- and didn't do as well as it could have/should have, especially after repeated hard use).<p>Anyway, I still think that this whole internecine warfare issue at GM might make this whole V8 "wish list" thing a moo point (said the brown cow).

syclone
04-16-2005, 07:37 AM
i definitely agree that it could be gracefully done, butlike you said, it would require a great deal of redeploying components and suspension modifications. i just think the cost would be too much for gm to do. i do, however, think we will see some insane solstices coming from tuners.

knicks125
04-16-2005, 09:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Excellent news! The lighter the better. I hope that source was right because the 3200 lbs I read about (in review of an early prototype) would have put this on the edge of portliness. At 170 hp (177?), it still won't be quick but if the handling is right it'll be great fun.<p>Any of you driven a spec Miata? I rented one once and it's all about momentum. You carry as much speed through the corners possible rather than rely on throttle to fix things coming. I suspect the Solstice might share this trait. Let's cross fingers for a nice, inexpensive race series down the road <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Go to pontiac.com and see the specs yourself if you don't believe us...

Chris_Doane
06-15-2005, 07:05 PM
New spy pics of the Solstice GXP with engine compartment photos:<p><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/gxp_spy/gxp_spy/03.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/...3.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/gxp_spy/gxp_spy/01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/gxp_spy/gxp_spy/02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/...2.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17690" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/...17690</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:43 PM 6/16/2005</i>

LoneWolf
06-15-2005, 08:55 PM
If they keep it fresh, the Solstice (and its variants) are going to do great things for Pontiac!

erzhik
06-15-2005, 09:31 PM
saw a Solstice in MI..Looks so nice..I liked the car. Very nice car indeed. <br>Is Solstice on sale yet? <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by somebody..lol at 9:38 PM 6/15/2005</i>

Santeno
06-16-2005, 09:44 AM
a limited amount of them are on sale. If I recall correctly orders are being taken, but full production won't start until the end of the summer.

FordRules
06-16-2005, 06:48 PM
these cars look wicked espescially the saturn sky, how about the I6 in these 275 hp!!

Nick
06-18-2005, 02:08 PM
For those of you who want a V8 in the solstice, look no further...Mallet, a famous corvette tuner is droppign the LS2 into the solstice...<p><A HREF="http://www.mallettcars.com/news-5-26-05-v8solstice.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mallettcars.com/new...e.htm</A>

Dodger
06-18-2005, 06:49 PM
I actually saw a Solstice about a week and a half ago- I would have posted sooner but I was on vacation this past week. It was black and looked really nice, though I would prefer a different color.<p>The GXP should do well to bolster sales. They have a great vehicle to work from so hopefully it will sell.

StuckInNYForever
07-06-2005, 05:31 PM
Looks like GM is up to 250hp for this car next year! Was supposed to be around 205, then I heard up to 240, and now 250! This will be a helluva lot more fun than the Miata!<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102726" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102726</A><br>

Nick
07-06-2005, 10:57 PM
that's awesome...this is gonna be one helluva car....hopefully we will be seeing that engine take more forms in GM too...like for the cobalt ss perhaps?

StuckInNYForever
07-07-2005, 07:52 PM
Yeah, I believe the Cobalt SS as well as the new HHR will both get this engine down the road. I hope the the HP levels remain constant in each application though.

Nick
07-07-2005, 08:16 PM
I believe they will...Some insiders on C&G (GM forum) have been dropping hints anyways...

knicks125
09-19-2005, 05:40 AM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_07_Pontiac_Solstice_Turbo.S178.A9269.htm l" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A> - TCC<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pontiac engineers ventured to the N¬Ěrburgring to take some hot laps in the hot version of the Solstice roadster. Several styling differences set this prototype apart as the turbocharged version of Pontiac's halo car. The high-performance additions to the Solstice clearly require more breathing ability. The large round lights set into the Solstice's bumper fascia - surrounded by bodywork on the standard 170-hp model - are set within additional honeycomb grillework on this prototype. Sharply sculpted edges outline the added grilles, giving more definition to the Solstice's face. The Turbo Solstice's more chiseled look is furthered by a deeper, squared-off jawline, which incorporates another thin air-intake slit at the bottom.<p>The changes at the rear are less pronounced: a subtle lip spoiler sets this more muscled model apart from the standard version. By applying a turbocharger to GM's 2.4-liter Ecotec engine, this Solstice will generate at least 240 horsepower, and rumors suggest it may even exceed 250 horses. Regardless of the final output numbers, this car should give serious competition to the likes of Mazda's new Miata, as long as the Solstice's final execution manages to live up to the promise of the car's sexy lines.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>A few more pics here:<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=107291" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...07291</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 9:38 PM 9/22/2005</i>