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Santeno
04-13-2005, 10:45 AM
No Spy Pics yet, but This bit of news was better off here than in the news section. Add Pics as they become available:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b> From AutoExpress Magazine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMPREZA HOT HATCH ON WAY<p>Auto Express can exclusively reveal the Japanese firm has outrageous plans for the next Impreza. Altering a formula which has proved a success for the past 12 years is a bold move, but the introduction of an Impreza hatch follows Mitsubishi's plans to radically alter its Evo line-up. <p>The decision confirms comments made by Impreza chief engineer, Hiroshi Mori, who told Auto Express that the next-generation car "might take a new design direction, and could be smaller". So why have designers turned their back on saloons? The new car will be smaller, lighter and cheaper to produce than the four-door, and should have better handling, thanks to its short wheelbase and stiffer body. <p>Led by ex-Alfa Romeo and SEAT designer Andreas Zapatinas, Subaru's styling department has not only opted for a squared-off finish at the rear, but a long nose as well - bringing the new model into line with the look of many European hatches. The front overhang will house the turbo motor's intercooler, which will be moved from its current position at the top of the engine bay. <p>With the new car not due until 2007, Subaru has a facelifted Impreza saloon already waiting in the wings. Exclusively revealed by Auto Express in Issue 838, it will be launched at the end of this year, before going on sale early in 2006. <p>The Impreza hatch will sit on a shortened Legacy chassis. The plan is to introduce basic 1.5 and 2.0-litre variants, with flagship models coming with a 2.0-litre 300bhp turbo motor. Five and six-speed manual gearboxes will be available, along with a five-speed auto. <p>Despite the extra versatility provided by the five-door body shape, engineers won't compromise the Impreza's handling for practicality. Unlike the Legacy, which has compact rear suspension to maximise boot space, the Impreza will use a layout that will optimise driving dynamics. <p>To enhance the cornering potential even more, engineers and test drivers will also develop an advanced version of the current Driver Controlled Centre Differential (DCCD). This allows more torque to be channelled to the rear wheels for sharper turn-in. <p>No matter how good the handling, it remains to be seen whether loyal fans will warm to the idea of an Impreza hatchback.</TD></TR></TABLE>

knicks125
04-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Pic from AutoExpress:<br> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_38/car_portal_pic_19383.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Looks like a Peugeot 206 to me...

bolita
04-13-2005, 12:12 PM
I have the same information related to the powertrains....But hadn't heard that the next Impreza would be a hatch... Maybe a hatch variant will be available but given the fact that most WRXs are sold in the US which prefer sedans I really doubt that the WRX sedan would be ditch for a hatch...

Charger
04-13-2005, 01:10 PM
Can this be with the Impreza sti thread Santeno?<br><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12722" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12722</A>

Santeno
04-13-2005, 01:12 PM
No the Sti is an update of the current model. This trhead is for the replacement model.

Charger
04-13-2005, 01:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No the Sti is an update of the current model. This trhead is for the replacement model.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Really? I didnt know that. Never mind then

chaserolls
04-13-2005, 03:34 PM
I am with Bolita, I don't expect subaru to ditch the sedans and replace them with hatches. I expect instead they will just offer a hatch-version of the impreza as well as a sedan.<p>also, subaru will never put a front-mount intercooler on their cars, it will definitely have a top-mount like all of the current models

knicks125
04-13-2005, 05:48 PM
That's the only thing I don't like about the WRX...if it wasn't top-mounted on the hood, it would be a GREAT car

Mindless T
04-14-2005, 09:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's the only thing I don't like about the WRX...if it wasn't top-mounted on the hood, it would be a GREAT car </TD></TR></TABLE><br>What's wrong with top mounted IC?

knicks125
04-14-2005, 10:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mindless T</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What's wrong with top mounted IC?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nothing. I just don't like it on the hood. Anywhere else but there, that's all.

bolita
04-14-2005, 12:06 PM
As the scoop on the WRX is functional and is the major visual difference between a "normal" Impreza and WRX Impreza I dont think that they will move the IC. Additionally, as Subaru uses a flat boxer engine, there is room on top for the IC and it doesn't clog up with debris so I feel that it is a good place to position it from a functional point of view...

Uberwagon
04-14-2005, 08:29 PM
You all got it: They put it on top because the flat-four can be mounted lower, bringing the center of gravity down, freeing up space on top. Scoop or no, this reduces it's vulnerability to road debris, making it an easy, reliable way to make juice.<p>Can't wait for this but I wonder about the hatch thing. American's love their sedans and the wagon segment has been growing fast. A five-door hatch layout will put the kabosh on WRX volume.

myredhotcar
04-15-2005, 08:39 AM
Actually americans are increasingly turning to hot hatches--from magnum wagon to the new calibre, 06 civic, new golf, scions, mini, small suvs etc, it seems logical that the hatchback will be the hip thing to drive within 5 years; in ten years i won't be surprised if they outsell small sedans 3-1.

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 09:40 AM
I certainly hope you're right about hatches catching on because this Impreza will need a boost if there's no sedan. At this point the small sportwagon niche is growing fast (it's the fastest growing segment in the industry) but is still a niche. <p>The current gen WRX did wonders for the whole wagon-as-family car image. I can't seem to go snowboarding now without seeing 10 WRX wagons tearing past V8 SUV's in full rally mode!

knicks125
04-15-2005, 09:49 AM
one quick thing on the magnum - it's a wagon but it actually doesn't have a lot of space, and the roofline is so low...not good

r3vilo
04-18-2005, 11:00 AM
I have a member on auto-bank who claims to have spy pictures of this car. I have not seen the pictures as of yet, but when (or if) i see tghem, I'll keeep you posted

knicks125
04-18-2005, 11:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dcsn2080</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a member on auto-bank who claims to have spy pictures of this car. I have not seen the pictures as of yet, but when (or if) i see tghem, I'll keeep you posted</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really? is that person sure? i am not doubting him/her but it's almost impossible...unless he works for subie or something...<p>if the person did catch it, was it the regular sedan or the hatch?

Roadster44
04-18-2005, 03:21 PM
I've said all along that hatchbacks will only increase in popularity here in States. Thanks to Mini and Mazda 3.

Sagaris
04-18-2005, 04:59 PM
That chop of the magazine looks alot like a Toyota Celica <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

r3vilo
04-19-2005, 02:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>really? is that person sure? i am not doubting him/her but it's almost impossible...unless he works for subie or something...<p>if the person did catch it, was it the regular sedan or the hatch?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not so sure myself, I mean he lives in watford! how many prototypes are caught testing just outside London? maybe it was doing bad weather testing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> He didnt say whether it was a sedan or hot hatch. I have my suspicions that this member happens to be laguna <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by revilo_ at 1:04 PM 4/19/2005</i>

Top Secret
04-19-2005, 05:46 AM
The bad thing about a top-mount intercooler is the lack, compared to a front mount, of air flow into the core. <p>Now, what do you all think of the new Impreza's having a V-mount intercooler? Could be possible - and with it, it would be the first manufacturer to offer a V-mount, which is a better option to both front and top mount options. And that way, Subaru could still offer the hood scoop, as it expels the air from the intercooler.<p>If you guys have to idea what I'm talking about, just ask. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

r3vilo
04-19-2005, 10:05 AM
my member has lost the photos...im not sure i buy this. u spot a rare prototype and u lose the photos?

knicks125
04-19-2005, 03:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>revilo_</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my member has lost the photos...im not sure i buy this. u spot a rare prototype and u lose the photos?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>probably the person just want some attention <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

r3vilo
04-25-2005, 12:15 PM
he says it was a small sedan

knicks125
04-25-2005, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>revilo_</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he says it was a small sedan</TD></TR></TABLE><p>possibly the next wrx sedan, or just the regular sedan...

r3vilo
04-26-2005, 12:01 PM
possibly there will be a sedan aswell as hatch and wagon. who knows?

FaLeX
05-10-2005, 04:04 AM
JDM mags <p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0510/article70513_1.images/86687.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0509/article70471_1.images/86628.jpg" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
05-10-2005, 03:15 PM
Blue chop sort of reminds me of a Saab

Superfresa
05-10-2005, 04:08 PM
This Evo-WRX war is heating up! Wow, these cars are so cool!

nismo
05-10-2005, 08:19 PM
These cars are going to be hott. They are both very important models for both companies.<p>-Subaru is going to be very daring with the styling of this Impreza and if the public doesn't like it there goes there best seller.<br>-Mitsubishi is desperate for a "hit" model and can't afford to fail with it...

Santeno
05-12-2005, 01:36 PM
Here are a couple of RENDERINGS of what AMS thinks the Impreza might look like:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/SUBARU.Impreza_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>In MPV form:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/Subaru_Impreza_MPV_450.jpg" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
05-12-2005, 01:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Blue chop sort of reminds me of a Saab</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's to make the next 9-2x easier to rebadge. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

geary
05-12-2005, 02:48 PM
Something I'm working on to render. Source: Magazine X<p> <IMG SRC="http://img167.echo.cx/img167/4287/mx7jv.jpg" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
04-26-2006, 07:00 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25356.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">AutoExpress</A><br> <br>

mzoltarp
04-26-2006, 03:38 PM
Bring back the Justy and make a Justy WRX!

bolita
04-26-2006, 03:44 PM
A justy with a supercharged 1.2L??? <p>Just kidding. There has been a lot of speculation regarding a Impreza hatch.<p>I have my doubts that Subaru would come out with a conventional hatch...lets see what surfaces

scorpio14
04-26-2006, 04:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have my doubts that Subaru would come out with a conventional hatch...lets see what surfaces</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think itll be a good thing... and will fit in nicely in Europe thats fa sure and also alota other countries. BUT i dont know about in the US. considering sedan's are big there.<p>Its definetly a big move though... and itll be interesting to c how itll turn out. But we're also seein the Lancer being available in a hatch form when the new one comes out.... it seems to be a trend and a good one imo<p>The current Hatch aint that good.... there are better hatches out there... and the sedan its to sedan like... if their is another sedan i hope itll go more coupe like (like a CLS shape and alota other sedans are following that i guess)

Nurburgring
04-26-2006, 06:30 PM
Please dont tell me this will be another facelift!!!! Uhhh...

scorpio14
04-26-2006, 06:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MAZDA5GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Please dont tell me this will be another facelift!!!! Uhhh...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nope thisll be All New fa sure.... i

fatfaso
04-26-2006, 10:50 PM
I'm sure nobody know for sure, but does anybody have an idea when the new Impreza is supposed to debut? Will we be able to purchase one next year or is it several years away still?

bolita
04-28-2006, 02:49 PM
Carsale - A Saab, marca sueca controlada pelo grupo General Motors, vai produzir um hatch compacto. A notcia foi confirmada pelo diretor administrativo da montadora, Jan-Ake Jonsson, para jornais da Sucia. Segundo o executivo, o futuro modelo ter como principais concorrentes o Audi A3 e o BMW Srie 1.<p>O carro receber o nome de 9-1, e substituir o 9-2X, baseado na plataforma do Subaru Imprenza. O modelo  fruto do acordo entre Saab e a montadora japonesa, que resultou no desenvolvimento de plataformas conjuntas. A novidade, a ser lanada em 2009, utilizar a arquitetura do Opel Astra, e ter linha de montagem instalada na planta de Trollhatten (Sucia). <p>I'll try to transalate the best I can... Basically it says that Saab will have a A3 and BMW Series 1 competitor hatch due in 2009. This is not new, what is new, at least to me, is that the platform will be shared with Subaru for Subaru's upcoming hatch. It seems to me that Subaru would add a new model to its line up and not have an Impreza hatch but some other new model.<p>Any comments?<br>

DoMiNo
04-28-2006, 03:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'll try to transalate the best I can... Basically it says that Saab will have a A3 and BMW Series 1 competitor hatch due in 2009. This is not new, what is new, at least to me, is that the platform will be shared with Subaru for Subaru's upcoming hatch. It seems to me that Subaru would add a new model to its line up and not have an Impreza hatch but some other new model.<p>Any comments?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Saab 9-1 won't be based on a shared Subaru platform; it's going on the Delta (Opel Astra) platform. This article says that the 9-2 was from the Impreza platform, but that the new model will <I>not</I> be.

bolita
04-29-2006, 08:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Saab 9-1 won't be based on a shared Subaru platform; it's going on the Delta (Opel Astra) platform. This article says that the 9-2 was from the Impreza platform, but that the new model will <I>not</I> be.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Correct. What seems strange is that the 9-1 and new Subaru hatch <I></I> would <I></I> share a common platform. Strange since it would be difficult IMO to fit a boxer engine a symmetrical AWD system into the Astras platform...

the1
09-13-2006, 04:53 AM
New Impreza hatch.<p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/1-2008-subaru-wrx-hatch-spied.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...d.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/2-2008-subaru-wrx-hatch-spied.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...d.jpg</A>

mick78
09-13-2006, 05:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">New Impreza hatch.<p><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/1-2008-subaru-wrx-hatch-spied.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...d.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/2-2008-subaru-wrx-hatch-spied.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images.leftlanenews.com...d.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks like a cross between 2001 Honda Civic 5door and last gen MAzda 323, also 5 door.<p>Somehow the shape looks a bit dated, hopefully the WRX sedan will look good....

Chris_Doane
09-13-2006, 06:22 AM
<A HREF="http://www.speedsportlife.com/2006/09/13/spied-2008-subaru-wrx-prototype" TARGET="_blank">http://www.speedsportlife.com/...otype</A>/<p>(BTW, it would be safe to change this topic to 2008MY)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CD-BP at 7:37 AM 9/13/2006</i>

bolita
09-13-2006, 06:35 AM
Too much camo to make judgement but some elements are surfacing. Seems like the family nose is not present. The body looks very sleek as well.<p>I think that Subaru better come up with something dramitic and very aggressive to not loose this round to the Evo X

AM2
09-13-2006, 07:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Seems like the family nose is not present.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It looks like Subaru stopped using the 3-part family grill first used on the R1/R2, B9 Tribeca and current Impreza... <br>the facelifted R2 for example now uses a more traditional 1-piece grill and the facelifted Legacy and Outback are sticking to the same basic one piece grill design. <br>Facelifted Subaru Outback's grill...<br><IMG SRC="http://ssl.durasite.net/www.autobytel-japan.com/catalog/img/L/SB019_6L.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>It looks like the next Impreza WRX will also use a 1-piece grill.<p>I also noticed that the windows now have frames, no more frameless windows?

the1
09-13-2006, 07:43 AM
I hope Subaru will launch something really cool and sleek.

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 07:43 AM
Is this yet another facelift, or all new car?

the1
09-13-2006, 07:57 AM
All-new.

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 08:00 AM
ok..so this also means its the all-new shape of the Impreza right? Im curious to see how it turns out since Mitsubishi has also changed its Evo significantly

the1
09-13-2006, 02:39 PM
Mitsu didn't yet change their Evo.

JRodrigues
09-13-2006, 03:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It looks like Subaru stopped using the 3-part family grill first used on the R1/R2, B9 Tribeca and current Impreza... <br>the facelifted R2 for example now uses a more traditional 1-piece grill and the facelifted Legacy and Outback are sticking to the same basic one piece grill design. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The 3-piece grill is being ditched.. Andreas Zapatinas is quiting Subaru as well.

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 03:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mitsu didn't yet change their Evo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes they did, Evo X is nearly out...when it will launch doesnt matter, the car is already being tested and we know how it will look like..and its very different from current IX, whearas we dont really know much about the new WRX

Chris_Doane
09-13-2006, 03:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRodrigues</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The 3-piece grill is being ditched.. Andreas Zapatinas is quiting Subaru as well.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought I heard they fired him....? Maybe Im thinking of someone else?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yes they did, Evo X is nearly out...when it will launch doesnt matter, the car is already being tested and we know how it will look like..and its very different from current IX, whearas we dont really know much about the new WRX</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well the new Lancer is currently being tested a lot. The Evo variant won't launch until about a year after the ES/Ralliart.

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 03:55 PM
True but we know the shape of it will reflect that of the standard car's, plus will have elements from Concept-X which is far more details than the still unknown Impreza.

JRodrigues
09-14-2006, 04:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CD-BP</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought I heard they fired him....? Maybe Im thinking of someone else?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well... the news is that they're ending the contract, without him being fired, but it was most likely a Subaru decision.

the1
09-14-2006, 11:24 AM
So, what did he create after all? The Tribeca and the small R1?

CosworthKid
09-14-2006, 12:24 PM
and probably the current-look Impreza

Ace of Spades
09-14-2006, 12:41 PM
And a lot of concept cars, but little mass-produced cars... I think that this "end of contract" will be good for Subaru, if they can continue with Legacy's theme, nice and soprty, but subtle, I think that it's the real Subaru spirit.

the1
09-14-2006, 01:02 PM
The current Impreza is older. I guess he only got to design the new nose. What about the Legacy, was it styled by Zapatinas, too?

CosworthKid
09-14-2006, 01:35 PM
I meant the current facelift of the Impreza that pretty much just includes the front end

David911
10-12-2006, 05:55 AM
Other photos of the white prototype. It will have a boxer diesel. That's a first! <p><A HREF="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6271/2276/1600/impreza.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photos1.blogger.com/blo...a.jpg</A><br>

2003gliguy
10-12-2006, 11:07 AM
linky no worky

Smart22186
10-12-2006, 03:35 PM
after u click the link and the page comes up with action not working press the refresh button (F5) and the pic should load.

coolbluelb
10-12-2006, 03:47 PM
Zapatinas designed the upcoming Impreza (while mule) as well as some elements of the Tribeca's interior. I do not think he had much, if any involvement in the exterior of any current models. Everyone assumed that, because of the similarity between Alfa noses and the current Subaru horse-collar, that Zapatinas was responsible. I do not believe this is accurate.

CosworthKid
10-12-2006, 03:49 PM
I think he was responsible for cars such as the Tribeca and the Alfa similarities surely could not be random..? Besides Zapatinas is no longer working for Subaru, so if his work was yet to be shown how come his contract was terminated ages ago? Doesnt make sense to me<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

JRodrigues
10-13-2006, 01:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>David911</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Other photos of the white prototype. It will have a boxer diesel. That's a first! <p><A HREF="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6271/2276/1600/impreza.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photos1.blogger.com/blo...a.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It still doesn't work..

the1
10-13-2006, 02:31 AM
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Santeno
10-13-2006, 09:11 AM
My question about subaru has always been, if they can pack such a fire breathing monster into an unassuming econocar, why not take all the mechanical goodies and make an additional version with a dedicated sports car body.

Comrade
10-13-2006, 09:35 AM
I always thought a Subaru coupe would be incredible! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

coolbluelb
10-15-2006, 01:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he was responsible for cars such as the Tribeca and the Alfa similarities surely could not be random..? Besides Zapatinas is no longer working for Subaru, so if his work was yet to be shown how come his contract was terminated ages ago? Doesnt make sense to me<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>"THE prominent propeller nose will be flung from future Subaru models.<br>The Japanese brand's controversial aircraft-inspired grilles, as featured on the Impreza and Tribeca, will disappear from the radar. Subaru's parent company, Fuji Heavy Industries, chose to use the propeller corporate face on the current model as a pointer to its aeronautical history.<br>But Subaru spokesman David Rowley concedes the new face, introduced to Impreza last September, has had mixed reviews, even though sales have not declined.<br>Rowley says the propeller face has not been applied to the facelifted Liberty and Outback, due out next month, and it won't make it back for the forthcoming Impreza, scheduled for release next year.<br>"It's fair to say the design will not appear on future Subarus, he says. "We had always said the aerospace theme could be applied in a variety of ways, like the way it's been presented on the Impreza and Tribeca.<br>"Fuji Heavy Industries said it would evolve over time. But it has not really been applied to Liberty and Outback."<br>Subaru's chief designer, Andreas Zapatinas, has resigned, effective the end of last month, but it is believed he was fired.<br><B>Rowley says Zapatinas was not responsible for the propeller theme</B><I></I><U></U>: the Impreza and Tribeca designs were well advanced when the former Alfa and Fiat designer joined the Japanese carmaker.<p><B>Rowley says the first Zapatinas design is the next Impreza, due next year.</B><I></I><U></U> He is also tight-lipped about whether the company will return to another core plank of Subaru's brand image, rallying, in Australia. "We are still weighing up a variety of motorsport options on the domestic scene," he says.<br>Meanwhile, Subarus are to develop multiple personalities, with a new computer management system called SI-Drive (Subaru Intelligent) to appear on top-of-the-range Liberty and Outback models next month.<br>The system works with engine, gearbox and electronic throttle control to produce three switchable driving modes: Intelligent mode for better fuel economy, Sport mode with sharper throttle response and gear change points set at higher revs, and Sport Sharp mode for maximum acceleration. There is also an extra "Eco" gauge and a graphic torque curve monitor.<br>Herald-Sun"<p><br><A HREF="http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0...-21822,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://carsguide.news.com.au/s....html</A>

Uberwagon
10-15-2006, 08:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://media.autobild.de/bild/5/f0be2a86ac255aac96d9a77093460445_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://media.autobild.de/bild/...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://media.autobild.de/bild/1/9176834e7740b09d4383233b910c9e31_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://media.autobild.de/bild/...1.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Damn, those are seriously ugly proportions on that. I know it'll be better with the camo off but that sillouhette and stance is not flattering. I think the decision to be both a sedan AND wagon all in one is going to backfire in the States, hard.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
10-16-2006, 01:50 AM
The camo version of 08 Impreza does remind me of Daewoo Lacetti hatchback a bit. Lets hope it won't look much like when it's all revealed next year.

the1
01-29-2007, 01:11 PM
Subaru will hit back against arch rival Mitsubishi at the New York show on the 4th April this year, when it unveils the long-awaited new Impreza to the world.<p>The new model will be a conventional five-door hatchback, rather than the more conventional four-door saloon and estate variants we've come to know, and was previewed by the B5 TPH concept which appeared at the last Tokyo auto show (see gallery). However, Subaru isn't breaking with tradition under the bonnet; the new Impreza will be powered by a choice of naturally-aspirated 1.5- and 2.0-litre petrol 'flat-four' boxer engines to begin with.<p>The iconic turbocharged Impreza STi will come later. It will feature body styling even more extravagant to the current car, and is likely to be powered by an evolution of the 2.5-litre engine Subaru currently offers, but we won't get to see it until 2008. There are no plans to carry over the intermediate WRX model.<p>Meanwhile it's emerged that Subaru's Legacy and Outback models will be its first to be offered with diesel power. Subaru is developing an industry-first flat-four turbodiesel motor for the application, and is due to slot it into production in early 2008. It'll have a 2.0-litre capacity and has been benchmarked against the BMW 320d's motor. Subaru expect it to produce around 170bhp and 250lbft of torque.<p>AUTOCAR<p><IMG SRC="http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1483/subaru1hg6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>hollywoodextra

Supremus
01-29-2007, 01:43 PM
Looks like a Mazda3, minus the zoom-zoom.

antman
01-29-2007, 02:22 PM
Surely that's not it - talk about bland...

the1
01-29-2007, 05:18 PM
It kinda matches the camoed prototype and it's really close to the launch... it might actually look like that.

mzoltarp
01-29-2007, 06:42 PM
Looks like Toyota helped with the styling...bland.

TopGear
01-29-2007, 07:55 PM
I very much doubt that the WRX would get cancelled. it is one of their best selling impreza models. it has great power and handilling for a very reasonable price. Besides it wouldnt sound right just saying impreza STI, having the letters WRX STi sound so much better.

the1
01-30-2007, 04:07 AM
A bad chop, I prefer the bland one.<p><A HREF="http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6493/wrx2008vd8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img181.imageshack.us/im...8.jpg</A><br>cochespias

bolita
01-30-2007, 05:42 AM
I really hope that the next Impreza doesn't look like either chop...<p>I feel that Subaru could do a lot better!

CosworthKid
01-30-2007, 06:20 AM
They certainly can and must. Since thei decided to enter the hot hatch category now they need to come up with a very convincing and dare i say sophisticated design, they most probably made the hatch primarily for the European market where hatchbacks are much more popular. But with other mamufacturers such as Audi, VW, BMW, Ford, Opel, Renault etc also being part of the hot hatch market and also going for bigger engines, more bhp and faster cars with each new generation, the Impreza will beed to compete with them head on. And with the possibility of an Mitsubishi Evo hatch arriving sometime after the saloon, they cannot afford to take anything for granted

the1
01-30-2007, 06:40 AM
The Lancer hatch should be with us this autumn.

Tidal
01-30-2007, 12:10 PM
I'm expecting this car to be boring. Seriously. I'm a big Subaru fan, mostly because of the Outback and Forester, but their design department seems to not be able to put a cohesive ( or attractive ) design together has of late.<p>If this turns out to be anything but bland, i'll be really surprised.

the1
01-30-2007, 03:25 PM
It kind of looks like the chop...<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/11683_XAYPDBSVDGUCZ.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...Z.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/11684_NMRFWENFMQSCP.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...P.jpg</A><br>

Ascariss
01-30-2007, 03:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Supremus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like a Mazda3, minus the zoom-zoom.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ditto, especially the white prototype.

the1
01-30-2007, 03:37 PM
Comparing this supposed chop and the white prototoype some details do fit too well... makes me wonder if this pic may be a leaked press pic ahead of the launch in NY. I wonder where it came from.<p><IMG SRC="http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1483/subaru1hg6.jpg" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
01-30-2007, 03:57 PM
Yeah indeed it looks close. Could be it. If so im hoping the WRX versions will be significantly spiced up as its been since the first WRX

mick78
01-30-2007, 05:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah indeed it looks close. Could be it. If so im hoping the WRX versions will be significantly spiced up as its been since the first WRX</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, the prototype clearly has a 3rd window in the C-pilar, while the chop incorporates it more in the door, like a Golf. (also the shape of the grille seems different) <br>However, the proportions look kind of old fashioned on both cars, so I start to get disappointed.

Excellerator
01-30-2007, 09:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><A HREF="http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1483/subaru1hg6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img443.imageshack.us/im...6.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Front looks way too much like a 2002 Camry, in my opinion.<p><A HREF="http://www.cars.com/features/2002overview/toyota/images/02_toyota_camry_le_386.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cars.com/features/2...6.jpg</A>

the1
02-01-2007, 06:41 AM
The next three years are going to be super-active for Subaru, with a new Impreza, a new Justy supermini, a new Forester, a new Legacy, a flat-four diesel engine and hybrid powertrains all in the pipeline.<p>First to come will be the third-generation Impreza, which makes its debut at the New York motor show in April. As already reported, the much-anticipated Impreza comes in two forms - four-door saloon and five-door hatch, though it's unclear whether or not the UK will get the saloon.<p>According to one insider, the new Impreza will be based on a shortened Legacy platform, meaning it should get a more sophisticated multi-link rear suspension. The next-generation Forester would also be likely to use this same foundation.<p>The 2007 Impreza ditches Subaru's unpopular current front styling for a more homogenous look, as seen on the 2005 B5-TPH Tokyo show car. The aggressive side profile has strong shoulders, and look for a sizeable jump in dimensions too, especially width.<p>In 2008, there will be a new Forester  the current car uses the same platform as the outgoing Impreza  and 2009 will bring a new Legacy. Expect the latest Legacy to be larger and more luxurious.<p>Subaru is also all due to borrow Toyota's Japaense-market Passo supermini to sell in Europe as the new Justy. It's already on sale in the UK as both the Daihatsu Sirion and the Perodua Myvi, but significantly for Subaru it doesn't have four-wheel drive.<p>Of even more interest to European buyers will be Subaru's first in-house diesel. The new flat-four 2.0-litre turbodiesel makes its debut at the Geneva motor show in March, and will then be shown in the first Legacy diesel at Frankfurt in September. Sales kick off in early 2008.<p>As well as a diesel, Subaru has been hard at work trying to match Toyota's hybrid technology to its boxer engines. Insiders say that the Prius-type, front-drive hybrid system doesn't fit, so Subaru is now looking at adapting the rear-drive system from the Lexus GS450h, but don't expect a Subaru hybrid until the end of the decade.<br>AUTOCAR

mzoltarp
02-01-2007, 06:50 AM
I'm surprised that the Legacy just doesn't get pulled off the Camry.

CosworthKid
02-01-2007, 10:07 AM
The whole Hybrid Subaru thing doesnt seem to fit in my head at all.

the1
02-01-2007, 12:59 PM
Why not? They can easily fit one of Toyota's systems from the 'organs bank' now they have access to that technology.

CosworthKid
02-01-2007, 01:33 PM
I meant the idea of Subaru cars being hybrid. They are hardly a mainstream huge global brand such as Toyota. Subaru due to their all wheel drive and boxer engines are a bit of a niche brand and mostly known for their performance cars.

the1
02-01-2007, 02:06 PM
Hybrids are the future.

JB
02-01-2007, 02:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hybrids are the future.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Hahaha. Not even Toyota thinks that. Hybrids are the stepping stone to the next-generation powertrain, NOT the end-all.

CosworthKid
02-01-2007, 02:19 PM
Besides hybrid technology at the moment is not cheap, like i said before it makes sense with a brand the size of Toyota but i find it bizarre with Subaru and its customer base

the1
02-01-2007, 02:30 PM
I think the article says the hybrids are few years away, so they might become cheap enough by the time Subaru will release its first hybrid car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
02-02-2007, 10:36 PM
With them adopting the Toyota hybrid system it should keep costs low, and help them expand their range and sales through the many 'hippes' or computer nerds still remaining in the world

CosworthKid
02-03-2007, 09:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With them adopting the Toyota hybrid system it should keep costs low</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How? I mean sure they wont need to develop the technology but to adapt the system to their cars and keep prices to a reasonable level still seems like they need to invest a lot. <p>And where exactly will this hybrid technology be fitted? To which models?

the1
02-03-2007, 11:43 AM
Impreza, Legacy, Forester. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
02-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Exactly my point.. who would buy those cars if they will cost as much as a Prius compared to competition? Or is Toyota hybrid technology just expensive on the Prius?

the1
02-04-2007, 03:20 PM
By the time these Subarus will hit the showrooms, in 2010, hybrid technology will be a lot more affordable.

mzoltarp
02-04-2007, 04:18 PM
I wouldn't think price would be as sensitive an issue with a Subaru given their successful market reorientation to a Japanese analog to Saab/Audi. Subaru's successful move upmarket over the years should insulate it from the threat of sticker shock.

Roadster44
02-04-2007, 06:59 PM
We cannot compare Subaru to Toyota. We cannot possibly compare the budgets of the two, their market share, nor the diversity of their line-up, for the most part not even the customer base is same.<p>I think Subaru has made tremendous strides forward within past 4-5 years given the limited budget they had. <p>But would having a hybrid model in line-up be worthy of an investment at this time? I honestly don't think so. Say what you will about hybrids (I'm not a fan), but technology is expensive, and someone will have to pay for it. Either the company, or the buyer.<p>Subaru has not moved upscale. Legacy? It's just a good all round car retailing from 25-33k range. Tribeca? Wouldn't classify it as upscale. I mean hell there is difference between having a good car versus having an upscale car. Audi A6 is an upscale car. Not a Passat, and certainly not a Legacy.<p>If I were in Subaru's management I would hold out on any hybrid models until 2010. I'd start perhaps building a feasibility plan for it.<p>Meanwhile produce well styled, well engineered, fun to drive, practical cars. Currently they need to expand their range, come out with high-profit margin products.

CosworthKid
02-05-2007, 07:31 AM
I agree with you 100%. Subaru is no wear near being up market (especially with their crappy interiors) and they dont sell enough to be in a position to experiment with such expensive technology.<p>the1: hybrid technology aint going to be all that cheaper in 4 years time. And even so i hardly see the reason for a brand such as Subaru tp use hybrids as a selling point. I sure as hell wouldnt buy an Impreza WRX with Prius tehnology and costing probably heaps more. Some things shouldnt be tampered with and an AWD performance brand (which is what Subaru is known for) makes little sense for me to use hybrids so soon. I think Subaru is just trying for attention in all the wrong ways. Thats just my opinion of course...

bolita
02-06-2007, 06:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with you 100%. Subaru is no wear near being up market (especially with their crappy interiors) and they dont sell enough to be in a position to experiment with such expensive technology.<p>...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think you are being a bit harsh especially with the latest Legacy and Tribeca's inteior. It is a huge step forward and upmarket IMHO.<p>In any case, even though I wish that Subaru hadn't gone the way it has, I feel that given their volume +/- 600Kunits/yr it is the only way to mantian pseudo independance and profitability.<p>Maybe now, with Toyota as its big brother, Subaru may be able to tap into Toyota's resoruces to grow volume as they get into other segments.

CosworthKid
02-06-2007, 06:33 AM
I dont think im being harsh mate. The Tirbeca is mostly sold in NA anyways and the Legacy, although an excellent car, is a slow seller. The point im trying to make is that Subaru is a niche brand, yes, and they got permanent AWD, boxer engines and STi versions which is more than enough "distinct factors" for the marketing gurus to explore. Do they really need Hybrid technology as expensive as this to sell units or should the focus be on even better quality materials, better design and more aggressive marketing? So far its the WRX/STi versions of the Impreza and the Legacy and Forrester that do the sales (and not great sales either). They have huge potential as a brand and have some very unique vehicles so i think they should built on that, come up with great new product with attention to design (and not Tribeca style). In my eyes Subaru can do as much progress and sales as Volvo managed to do. They are Japanese yet completely different from all the other mainstream brands of Japan. Im just concerned about their vehicle pricing with Toyota Hybrid technology and if they get side tracked and not focus on the really strong points of the brand in the future

bolita
02-06-2007, 06:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think im being harsh mate. The Tirbeca is mostly sold in NA anyways and the Legacy, although an excellent car, is a slow seller. The point im trying to make is that Subaru is a nice brand, yes, and they got permanent AWD, boxer engines and STi versions which is more than enough "distinct factors" for the marketing gurus to explore. Do they really need Hybrid technology as expensive as this to sell units or should the focus be on even better quality materials, better design and more aggressive marketing? So far its the WRX/STi versions of the Impreza and the Legacy and Forrester that do the sales (and not great sales either). They have huge potential as a brand and have some very unique vehicles so i think they should built on that, come up with great new product with attention to design (and not Tribeca style). In my eyes Subaru can do as much progress and sales as Volvo managed to do. They are Japanese yet completely different from all the other mainstream brands of Japan. Im just concerned about their vehicle pricing with Toyota Hybrid technology and if they get side tracked and not focus on the really strong points of the brand in the future</TD></TR></TABLE><p>OK, I completely agree with your appreciation

the1
02-06-2007, 06:57 PM
Another cgi and some interesting news.<p><IMG SRC="http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4482/subarufy7qy6.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Thinking Big: new law opens path for Toyota takeover of Subaru<p>Toyota has been eying a takeover of Fuji Heavy Industries  Subaru's parent company  for some time now. When General Motors ditched its 20 percent stake in Fuji back in October 2005, Toyota snapped up 8.7 percent and the two have been undertaking a series of joint ventures since.<p>But that wasn't nearly enough for the Toyota Motor giant that's getting closer and closer to the #1 global automaker spot with each passing day. An acquisition of Subaru would bring them even closer, if only they could.<p>Continues after the jump.<p>[Source: Automotive News - sub. req.]<p>The one obstacle standing in Toyota's way until now has been a Japanese law that prohibits any single company from controlling more than half of the domestic market for any particular product  automobiles, in this case. Between the two of them, Toyota and Subaru commanded a hefty 45.6 percent of the Japanese car market in 2006, and that's mighty close to the limit. However, new Japanese anti-trust laws taking effect in April will refocus the criteria on the company's global market share instead of domestic, in a bid to help Japanese companies compete in export markets.<p>We'd expect Toyota and Fuji to take advantage of this move by the Japanese government. Corporate maneuvering aside, the potential for Subaru's influence on Toyota products has us daydreaming of serious STi-ness trickling down through the entire Toyota line-up.<p>autoblog

the1
02-07-2007, 06:24 AM
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k33
02-07-2007, 07:26 AM
They have ruined the car.... :S

bolita
02-07-2007, 07:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>k33</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They have ruined the car.... :S</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have to disagree with you. <p>I am pleasantly surprised with these pix.<p>I am certain athat there will be more body variants as Subaru can not step away from the compact sedan market.<p>I always thought of the Forester as an Impreza Wagon but I hope that the Impreza will be available as a hatch and sedan.

the1
02-07-2007, 11:40 AM
It will definately be available as a hatch, as you can see from the earlier spy pics of the camoed hatch.

SOLAR
02-07-2007, 02:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It will definately be available as a hatch, as you can see from the earlier spy pics of the camoed hatch.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>uhh...those are hatches in the CGI's

the1
02-07-2007, 03:44 PM
I know, but cgis are not official, camoed prototype is.

jairo
02-07-2007, 07:20 PM
Has Subaru gone whack?! It's ruined!

Nodnarb
03-26-2007, 04:10 PM
<A HREF="http://home.arcor.de/subaru-impreza/indexStudien07.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://home.arcor.de/subaru-im...7.htm</A> <p>Some thumbnails were let loose ahead of time. They were quickly removed, but a few people had saved them. Nothing clear or definitive can be gleaned from them, but it is enough to build some anticipation for next week.

SHEPO
03-26-2007, 04:13 PM
Hmm it's a little hard to judge right now because the pics are so small, but it should be promising. I guess we'll find out next week. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Rugbyplaya91
03-26-2007, 04:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://home.arcor.de/subaru-impreza/indexStudien07.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://home.arcor.de/subaru-im...7.htm</A> <p>Some thumbnails were let loose ahead of time. They were quickly removed, but a few people had saved them. Nothing clear or definitive can be gleaned from them, but it is enough to build some anticipation for next week.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nice find, it's got all the illustrations and all. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Nodnarb
03-26-2007, 06:02 PM
Well, this cat's out of the bag now thanks to the newest issue of Motor Trend.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.taberwest.com/images/wrx003.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.taberwest.com/images/wrx2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.taberwest.com/images/wrx4.jpg" BORDER="0">

Nurburgring
03-26-2007, 06:29 PM
This is just plain suicide for Subaru. They ruined the car! The interior is miles away (backwards) from the current Impreza's interior. The side profile is horrible. Mark my words.

against the wall
03-26-2007, 06:36 PM
the side actually reminds me of the eurofocus but with different lights a bit. maybe its the color. in terms of styling subaru seems to be on a 1 step forward 2 steps backwards sort of thing. rear is ok though.

Ultomato
03-26-2007, 06:37 PM
Step backwards this car is.

SHEPO
03-26-2007, 07:02 PM
It's not a bad looking car; the problem is it looks nothing like a Subaru! Farewell, glorious 4-door WRX!

Roadster44
03-26-2007, 07:02 PM
At first it reminded me of current Kia Spectra, that ugly disproportioned hatchback thing. I suspect that STi will have a more aggressive grill, but WRX will have this. And it's absolutely awful!<p>I think they're trying to go mainstream with this car, and attempted to make the lower models look inoffensive and bland. <br>

Chris_Doane
03-26-2007, 07:06 PM
They've taken an icon and totally flushed it down the toilet

Speedster S
03-26-2007, 07:16 PM
Well Mitsu has it won on desing and style. This is a huge dissapointment IMO, it just looks outdated and boring. I can't believe they let this happen, why would they do this? It almost look like the team that redesing the 2008 Ford Focus got their hands on this. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

mononeo
03-26-2007, 07:27 PM
This thing looks like a Hyundai i30 beat with an ugly stick, although when it comes to the interior, they used the cheap stick.

SV
03-26-2007, 07:29 PM
well, it looks alright. the old car wasn't exactly a design masterpiece, so it wouldn't have been too hard to top it. that said, it's pretty derivative, and there aren't any interesting styling features here that haven't been seen before (the front IMO is especially bland). the interior looks like it came from 2002, not 2007, but it's more modern than the current car's interior (if not necessarily better-styled). still, looks good, and at least it's something that doesn't look like it came out of the mid-90s

DoMiNo
03-26-2007, 07:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mononeo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This thing looks like a Hyundai i30 beat with an ugly stick, although when it comes to the interior, they used the cheap stick.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hahaha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> Beautifully put!<p>I don't even know where to start with this car. So I won't bother. Suffice it to say Mitsubishi is probably heaving a sigh of relief right now.

anonms
03-26-2007, 08:28 PM
It looks like the ugly bastard child of the Euro Focus, Euro Civic, and Mazda3.<p>In short, it looks like Toyota sent their designers over to Subie's studios (in the sense that it looks so horrendously awkward that I actually like it while everyone else seems to hate it). Although I do wish they used the Tribeca grille; it would flow better with this design.<p>Although the interior looks horrendously drab and ugly that Toyota couldn't have been involved with that.

JB
03-26-2007, 10:06 PM
If I cover the front it looks like a friekin' one-series (which isn't a compliment.) The rear looks a bit like the Euro Civic hatch, and the interior looks like some early 90's Toyota abortion. This is one giant step backwards, especially in light of the Evo and Lancer, which look like luxury cars next to this.

rwcmick
03-26-2007, 10:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SHEPO</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's not a bad looking car; the problem is it looks nothing like a Subaru! Farewell, glorious 4-door WRX!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>at a clinic several years ago we were show this car and a sedan version as well. granted the sedan was only shown on a monitor while the hatch was clay, but i think we'll see a sedan version on our shores.<p>however, w/ that nose, nothin' is gonna look good

Superfresa
03-26-2007, 11:06 PM
I wish Subaru hired decent designers. Its all they need!<p>Hmm... How about a Subaru - Alfa Romeo merge? That would be perfect!<p>Although on second thought, what if it ends up having Subaru's styling and rice cred, and Alfa's Reliability and affordability? Hmmmm.....

Roadster44
03-26-2007, 11:15 PM
heh yea JB I did notice the civic hatchback lines from b-pillar on. Taillights also ever so slightly remind of me Maserati GT's trident ones. Also those side skirts look like a cheap add-on. Fender flares make the wheels look really small, thus the whole car bloated. <p>I know Subaru wanted to have a volume version, but who says that they have to look so Korean and bland to sell? I don't see any personality in this car! Even in mainstream hatchbacks, how can you compare its design with Astra, Focus mk2, Golf, 307, Clio, C4, Mazda 3, Civic? They're all better looking. Heck even Dodge Caliber has a better looking design. This just looks so cheap. Who is going to spend $30k on it? <p>I don't get it! How did they let this happen? There is CGI on page 6 of this thread which looks a ton better. So far no one is liking this on carspyshots, no one is liking it on autoblog either. Aren't we getting a sedan as well? Maybe that'll look better? Also was this car penned by same guy as B9 Tribeca? He was recently fired from Subaru. So maybe design, mechanics were finalized, and it was too late to do anything about it?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Roadster44 at 11:42 PM 3/26/2007</i>

AM2
03-27-2007, 12:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SHEPO</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's not a bad looking car; the problem is it looks nothing like a Subaru! Farewell, glorious 4-door WRX!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Didn't they say there was going to be a 4-door version too?<p>If there's one thing Subaru-ish about this new Impreza, its the long hood and long front overhang.

CosworthKid
03-27-2007, 01:01 AM
Looks like a brother to the NA Focus...not a good thing. I dont know what to say, interior is also a dissapointment for me, not that the current gen has a better one, i just expected something decent this time <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

TheophilusChin
03-27-2007, 01:11 AM
Well this is certainly a big disappointment. <p>What is this? Before Toyota launched their Auris, there was another Corolla replacement whose design seemed too bland next to the (then just launched) Euro Civic that Toyota shelved THAT Corolla replacement.<p>Perhaps after all spent on THAT shelved model, they rebadge it as the Subaru Impreza. LOL<p>I know this isn't true. But look at how boring it is, design wise. It even lost the Subaru trademark frameless doors! This is really sad.<p><br>

mick78
03-27-2007, 02:51 AM
As I've already said from first spyshots, it's disappointing. Somehow reminds me of the 1998 Mazda 323 hatchback (Protege5 i think in the US), which even then was not a striking design (nearly 10 years ago). <p>As most people here already stated, the Impreza was never a beauty but had character, this ain't a beauty either, but looks dull, old and lacks character.<p>It has everything to ruin the great Impreza heritage.

scorpio14
03-27-2007, 02:56 AM
its not bad from the outside... not sure about the rear lights... but rest it okay.... <p>Interior suxs... plain as... y not more like that in the Liberty... thats got a great interior... this looks Hyundai like

Reppu
03-27-2007, 03:23 AM
I don't know why you people are so surpeised. Since when has Subaru been known for making beautiful cars? Just tell me one outstanding design from Subaru, just a single one.

CosworthKid
03-27-2007, 03:26 AM
Legacy and Forrester are much better designs, at least they have stance. Im hoping the sedan will be better but Reppu is right about one thing, Impreza's have never been great lookers and ppl who bought them couldnt care less.

JRodrigues
03-27-2007, 03:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know why you people are so surpeised. Since when has Subaru been known for making beautiful cars? Just tell me one outstanding design from Subaru, just a single one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Legacy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> I can't believe they made this..I'm so disapointed I just don't don't know what to say..

Dazed
03-27-2007, 04:48 AM
OMG this car looks so bad!<p>All that CHROME on the front<br>such a fussy grille! <p>very BAAAD!

Supremus
03-27-2007, 05:20 AM
<br>Wow, this design manages to be ugly, bland and incoherent all at the same time. It makes the new USDM Focus look harmonious.<p>I really hope Subaru makes it a blast to drive, because the visuals really aren't helping.

bolita
03-27-2007, 06:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Legacy and Forrester are much better designs, at least they have stance. Im hoping the sedan will be better but Reppu is right about one thing, Impreza's have never been great lookers and ppl who bought them couldnt care less.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I disagree about buyers not caring about Impreza's looks. The Impreza, at least the current one, is a boy racer type of design which appeals to many of its buyers - especially WRX/STi buyers. I think that the problem that Subaru faced was to appeal to mainstream buyers, that represent around 75% of Impreza sales versus the 25% WRX/STi market.<p>In any case, I feel that Subaru has mangaged to mess up both ends of their target audiences.<p>I find the interior similar to that on the Tribeca, which is very nice once you're in the car. It may look cheap in that picture but I am sure it will have a quality feel and look to it as soon as you see it in person.<p>That said, it still is a huge disappointment to see what Subaru has decide to do with the Impreza....

CosworthKid
03-27-2007, 06:16 AM
I have to disagree mate. In Cyprus and UK (markets ive lived in) ppl only care about the WRX power and status, i have never heard ppl praise the looks of the Impreza, just the body kit and gold wheels etc,,,its a legend. Ppl who buy an EVO on the other hand always seem to care about the car's look and even though it appeals to the same type of customer, EVOs attract more buyers since their cars live up to the legendary name as well as looking great. But yeah, Impreza lost quite a few customers after the bug eyed version so i dont really know what Subaru's chances are now, especially if the EVO hatch looks like the concept

bolita
03-27-2007, 06:24 AM
I think that we agree to a point....Subaru lost customers to the 2002 bug eyed Impreza...WHy? Looks! Refinement and equipment was a lot better than the 1st gen Impreza but the looks messed it up for consumers.<p>In any case, I am sure that we'll see a quick fix to this new Impreza within the next 2 years tops.

CosworthKid
03-27-2007, 06:30 AM
Yeah we do agree i guess...maybe what i should have said was the Impreza never sold on looks since since the Mk1 it never really looked all that special. But yeah, not looking special with looking ugly is a bit difference

David911
03-27-2007, 06:48 AM
Subaru hasn't been able to update the car to meet "more madure tastes", that is, add refinement in interior, exterior design, features and confort. Also hasn't produced decent design (and those last images are awfull). And on top of that has lost much ground in the WRC competition.<p>Not that Mitsubishi is much better...

ocn75
03-27-2007, 07:00 AM
Well, I wasn't expecting it to win any beauty contests, given it's a Subaru, but this is a big disappointing none-the-less. IMO, this should have been so much better, particularly given Subaru made the sensible decision recently to ditch those horrible aeroplane-inspired nose designs as seen on the current Impreza and Tribeca. <p>There is nothing at all ground-breaking about this design - from front bumper to rear, we've seen it all before, with many of the design elements not all that well executed either, like that awful grille. <p>Interior is rather ho-hum as well. <p>It just looks old and tired already IMO - perhaps the long gestation period has had something to do with this and the way this thing has turned out.

Rune2ksix
03-27-2007, 09:36 AM
Oh, its looking like that Subaru will fit the new Impreza for Europe. But i mean its no suicide of itself. The new Impreza will be a good opponent for the Golf R32/RS/R36 series, the euro Focus ST/RS, Opel Astra OPC etc...<br>I hope, the new Impreza will be cheaper than the current version, becausethe new version is a hatchback! :D The new Impreza will be a bomb in europe..

TopGear
03-27-2007, 01:59 PM
im just hoping that we just havent seen the sedan model yet. yea thats it(reassuring myself) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

b_nadkarni
03-27-2007, 02:38 PM
me likes what me sees. Besides I don't give a **** about what it looks like. Once a subie, always a subie.<p>Can't wait to own one some day. Far away in the future.<p>

jhaber
03-27-2007, 03:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.taberwest.com/images/wrx003.jpg" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>K-K-K-Kia! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://nouvelles.autonet.ca/FR/Neufs/Essais/JDM/2006/04/10/Kia_1_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Rossell
03-28-2007, 02:24 AM
Somewhere, I can hear the screams of a million Subaru dealers...

Superfresa
03-28-2007, 03:09 AM
I'm nominating this car to the uggliest car of the year awards!

erzhik
03-28-2007, 04:00 AM
oh no.. send this back to the drawing board, put heavy camo on it.. do something, but don't sell it.. plz<br>at least not with these looks

CosworthKid
03-28-2007, 04:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>b_nadkarni</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">me likes what me sees. Besides I don't give a **** about what it looks like. Once a subie, always a subie.<p>Can't wait to own one some day. Far away in the future.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thing is where there is a "subie" there is always an EVO as well. Ive said before that the WRX name is a legend on its own and enough to shift units regardless of looks. But when the EVO has been outselling the WRX/STi for years now this was absolutely no time for Subaru to play it reckless. Even if the EVO hatch gets as watered down from concept as the saloon has, it will still be hella-good compared to this. Not to mention that the new Lancer/EVO interiors, even if they arent groundbreaking, have much more class and sportiness than this. Personally im still drawn to Impreza's even if i am more of an EVO fan, but i wouldnt buy this hatch brand new if i had the cash. I dont have high hopes for the sedan either cause it will most probably have the same front and the same lights etc at the back so it will still be far from perfect. The EVO hatch conept looked like a rally bred brother to the Alfa Brerra, sure it wont be nearly as gorgeous when it comes out but it will still be a much better design than this Subaru i reckon.<p>As for a comment above suggesting this will fight the Golf performance variants etc, i think thats very untrue especially mentioning the R36 etc. Those cars are premium, more about kit and comfort combined with power and nothing like the cheap-for-bucks Impreza which hardly looks or feels premium, just very very fast

mzoltarp
03-28-2007, 04:54 AM
I forsee a sales slide.

CosworthKid
03-28-2007, 04:57 AM
U should say "an even bigger sales slide" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
03-28-2007, 05:26 AM
Well... Subaru is still healthy. As much as I love Subaru, I hope they see themselves in trouble this time. I've had enough of bug eyed Imprezzas, tacky Bajas, Dreadful Tribecas and now butt-ugly WRX's. <p>I hope they see themselves in trouble and finally get a grip on design and style.<p>Liberty wagon looks awesome still, but forester was wrecked with that facelift a year ago, and now this.... It's just going downhill, isn't it...

jairo
03-28-2007, 03:40 PM
Subaru's lost it.

mick78
03-28-2007, 03:52 PM
I'm just starting to wonder if that car might become a second Lancia Delta Mk. II - the delta was a rally legend, and by making a weak next generation. Lancia nearly killed the Delta name, and yet we will have to see if the supposedly new model will manage to resurect the value of the Delta badge...<p>HOwever, I wish Subaru that the car will look better on street, I don't want to see another quirky car maker disappear (hey, who else makes Boxer enigines in family cars, even as Diesels?)

CosworthKid
03-28-2007, 04:03 PM
Doesnt Alfa Romeo still use Boxer engines? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

TopGear
03-28-2007, 04:28 PM
The only other company that still makes boxers is Porsche. Alfa used to, and so did ferrari.

carbon
03-28-2007, 04:39 PM
subaru give the customer what alfa gave the customer in the 70'.<br>a very low quality high performance car.<br>the Impreza is like a new alfa sud.<br>alfa don't make cars like that no more.

Reppu
03-29-2007, 02:33 AM
Subary does not make "very low quality" cars, i've always heard the opposite. That's only your personal impression i guess.

Superfresa
03-29-2007, 02:43 AM
Subaru deffinitely has lost the plot. It has always had a very appealing equation: Reliable, tough built cars that look nice (If never goosebump worthy), go well, and have tremendous grip thanks to AWD. If they part from this equation, they will fail.<p>The Forester was spot on, the Imprezza Gen 1 was spot on (And all of them untill the bug eyed one), The Liberty/Legacy and Outback was spot on.<p>But the Tribeca, the Baja, and now this is a huge disappointment, and it shows that subaru have lost track of their ideals...

mick78
03-29-2007, 03:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesnt Alfa Romeo still use Boxer engines? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nope, not any more - the 145 1,7 16V was the last one to use a (Alfa SUd derived) boxer - i was lucky to have it as traffic school car instead of the usual Golf Diesel, back in 1996....<p>They dropped the boxers for the 1997 MY, due to not complying with some EU exhaust regulations if I remember right....

against the wall
03-29-2007, 03:28 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-subaru-impreza" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-subaru-impreza</A>/<br>two new ones (red)

CosworthKid
03-29-2007, 03:30 AM
Yeah ur right, completely forgot. My dad used to own 2 Alfa 33's. I loved them even though most of the times they had problems, completely unreliable and even started rusting a few years down the road. One time i had some problems with the engine bay and the carburators and the car sounded like a rally bred Impreza!Hehe. I will miss them

Tidal
03-29-2007, 05:00 AM
Overall, i don't dislike the shape, like some have said people usually don't buy Subarus because of the way they look, and i'm hoping that the Euro spec version loses the chrome grill. Also, the sedan will probably have a better balance in proportion. <p>However, that is THE crappiest looking interior i have seen in ages. They were never specialists in that area anyway, but this is just <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
03-29-2007, 06:31 AM
The Legacy interior looks more than decent, but this one is hopeless. Overall the car looks ok, just too generic. It's a lot better in red.<p><IMG SRC="http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4291/subaruwrxfullsize500hl4.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/189/subaruwrxrallyreview500ex7.jpg" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
03-29-2007, 07:37 AM
Hardly better <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> Besides blue+gold is what most ppl go for anyways. The car does look like a rejected Toyota Corolla sketch from a guy who thought the new Sebring looked cool <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

b_nadkarni
03-29-2007, 07:53 AM
vroom vroom.<p>That's' what it's about.

CosworthKid
03-29-2007, 08:08 AM
Tell that to Mitsubishi

the1
03-29-2007, 08:35 AM
It's not that bad... of course, compared to the new Lancer it's rubbish, but it's still OK. It's definately not the ugliest car ou there.

Tidal
03-29-2007, 08:46 AM
I totally got the inspiration for the rear<p><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8151/imprezorrooo7.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1945/subaruwrxrallyreview500az3.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>Sadly, it's also the best looking part of the car imo.

the1
03-29-2007, 09:31 AM
I have a feeling this is one of those which need to be seen in person...

CosworthKid
03-29-2007, 09:55 AM
I have a feeling it really is..crap

jairo
03-30-2007, 09:58 AM
The styling may not be so exciting, but mabey it will have great performance.

Jim Davidson
03-30-2007, 11:00 AM
Oh dear. Here is hoping that there are going to be different body variants - similar to Civic Type R: JDM, NAS, RoW. And everybody within those three groups hope that this thing isn't theirs!

Tidal
03-30-2007, 07:33 PM
A couple more pics, this time by Road & Track. It definitely looks better, but still...<p><A HREF="http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=5096" TARGET="_blank">http://www.roadandtrack.com/ar...=5096</A><p>Can't we make this official now?

SHEPO
03-30-2007, 07:53 PM
It definitely looks better in higher-resolution pics, but it doesn't look like a WRX!!! Subaru is having a lot of trouble identifying themselves in terms of appearance, and this car shows it.

Rugbyplaya91
03-30-2007, 10:01 PM
at least it'll be safe and reliable?

thainogkok
03-30-2007, 10:44 PM
too ordinary exterior's design.<br>acuary, people want more exciteing design<br>from Subaru.<p>i hope the performance will be good as it should be.if not,<br> the legend of Impreza will be ruin by this generation.<p>P.s. atlease the interior is good

DrPetrus
03-31-2007, 01:55 AM
Perhaps this has been discussed already, but its a looong thread already and I didn't have the time to read it all.<br>To me Subaru's (at least Legacy and Impreza) have always come with three distinct characteristics: The evenly distributed four-wheel drive, the boxer engine and the frameless door-windows. I'm assuming the four-wheel drive and the boxer engine are intact but on these photos the door-windows are framed like in any other car. I'm thinking, perhaps this actually was the first Corolla/Auris design that got scrapped after the Civic was realized? It's certainly boring enough to be a Toyota and while Subaru has come up with ugly design after ugly design the last couple of years, to me they have never been boring.<br>If this is true, that Subaru is reduced to pick from Toyotas scrap-pile, we are looking at a mis-management in the same class as GM-SAAB. Hopefully, it's a one time event forced upon them because the work on the new Corolla was too far gone to be scrapped entirely. To me, neither the Auris nor this Impreza is good enough and I was a prospective buyer of each before.

Jim Davidson
03-31-2007, 02:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thainogkok</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">P.s. atlease the interior is good</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That really is clutching at straws!

carbon
03-31-2007, 02:32 AM
<A HREF="http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=5096" TARGET="_blank">http://www.roadandtrack.com/ar...=5096</A><p>finaly real pictures

hilton
03-31-2007, 02:41 AM
i still think it looks uterly horoble

Jim Davidson
03-31-2007, 03:12 AM
words fail me... (not good).<p>I hear the sound of a car company shooting itself in the foot <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

haji
03-31-2007, 03:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carbon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=5096" TARGET="_blank">http://www.roadandtrack.com/ar...=5096</A><p>finaly real pictures</TD></TR></TABLE><p>real pics doesnt make it look any better <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
03-31-2007, 04:08 AM
I think a lot of ppl think this really is the scrapped Corolla design which wouldnt be an unrealistic thought at all really. Maybe they were planning on using the same body for both Corolla and Impreza, then left it just for the Impreza. It sure has Toyota cues on it, especially the rear end design

CosworthKid
03-31-2007, 04:14 AM
Hands down this is by far the biggest dissapointment in my entire life, this is beyond words... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-31-2007, 06:40 AM
no worries, one of the 10 yearly facelifts that subaru does on the car will yield a nice one im sure

Redline
03-31-2007, 07:19 AM
It's not as good as the current one, but it's still alright. Just kind of boring. I love how the photographer couldn't manage to get a good full shot of the front or rear except for the one close shot of the front at that weird angle.

Tidal
03-31-2007, 08:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hands down this is by far the biggest dissapointment in my entire life, this is beyond words... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nah... the Cayenne made me sick to my stomach for days. This is nowhere near that.<p>Still waiting for the sedan. That one should better balanced design wise.

CosworthKid
03-31-2007, 09:11 AM
The Cayenne never seemed as bad to my eyes as some ppl, like u, say. Thats a matter of taste i suppose. But ive been an Impreza fan for years and this is just disgusting. It has absolutely no flair, no presense and doesn not live up to its name. Its just an gross design, id appreciate it more if they tried to make it different yet interesting (like they did with the bug eyed version). This "thing" is neither good looking nor bold nor interesting. I hope it will cost MUCH less than an equivalent EVO hatch otherwise its doomed. I cant believe how no one can seem to make things right at Subaru. First GM did a truly bad job with it, then the newly hired designer made it even worse..now Toyota takes over and makes it 100 times worse. Dunno, i think i will get a heart attack if i even speak about the WRX hatch again too soon. Its different to like or dislike a completely new vehicle than to see a true legend, a pin-up for your generation being so brutaly torn apart.

anonms
03-31-2007, 09:19 AM
If this had the current Impreza's nose, I could try to love it. But those headlamps and grille make it looks like a stogy old person's car.<p><br>And the interior looks horrible. So... bland.

CosworthKid
03-31-2007, 09:22 AM
dont forget the rest of the car

DoMiNo
03-31-2007, 09:35 AM
I can't defend the exterior; it's appalling. But I really think the interior's receiving a little bit of spillover resentment, because it's not that bad. It's not exactly cutting edge, design-wise, but Subaru interiors never really have been (notable exception being the bizarro B9). The aluminum strip that goes across the dash and dips at the center console is actually really neat, in my opinion, and the entire interior (granted these are smaller pictures) gives off an air of much higher quality than that in the Lancer. It looks comfortable, ergonomic, and well-made, and if that requires sacrificing a little bit of style then so be it.<p>Now if only they had focused their creativity on the outside of this car, maybe it wouldn't be half-bad.

63Bonneville
03-31-2007, 10:18 AM
It is definitely different from it's predecessor, an quite more substantial. We'll soon see a sedan version, which I understand will be shown, too, and it grew a bit. <br>Subaru's overall have become much more substantial and solid than years ago (ever look back at a Subaru's from the 70s & 80s, even some 90s?), with the exception of that high-end AWD sport coupe (I don't recall the model name/number) of the early 90s which was flat-6 powered upmarket and radical offering of it's time. Now much of the Subaru line-up exceeds it in it's content and power numbers.

VexedandGlorious
03-31-2007, 10:33 AM
its proportions, and stance are disgusting. the nose has a nice look, but they were better off with the trieca nose(im most likly the only person in the word that feels as though it could have worked if done right)

63Bonneville
03-31-2007, 10:49 AM
The Tribecca nose, which was supposed to be the new face of Subaru, met with much criticism and is being dropped across the line. It didn't really bother me, but it just proved unpopular. <br>Who knows, the Imprezza may appear much better in person that the pics suggest, which is the case of many vehicles (think initial pics of the current Lincoln Navigator and Jeep Grand Cherokee, they were much better in person) and we didn't see the sedan yet, which should have longer and different proportions.

Comrade
03-31-2007, 11:19 AM
it's not that bad, front is a bit plain but it'll be facellifted pretty soon like Naga said, lol!<br>I'm waiting for the sedan though, don't care for this.<br>I wouldn't change a thing about the interior, I like it.

jairo
03-31-2007, 11:30 AM
The exterior is bland...uninspiring.<br>The interior is an improvement but it looks like it came from a Kia.

nismo
03-31-2007, 12:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think a lot of ppl think this really is the scrapped Corolla design which wouldnt be an unrealistic thought at all really. Maybe they were planning on using the same body for both Corolla and Impreza, then left it just for the Impreza. It sure has Toyota cues on it, especially the rear end design</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This design was done far before Subaru and Toyota had any connection...

mzoltarp
03-31-2007, 01:16 PM
I would agree with Nismo. It screams Tribeca. The major blunder is not having a sedan variant. The Evo is going to eat this thing stylistically and spit it out.

DrPetrus
03-31-2007, 02:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would agree with Nismo. It screams Tribeca. The major blunder is not having a sedan variant. The Evo is going to eat this thing stylistically and spit it out. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is a sedan coming as well.

the1
03-31-2007, 02:34 PM
'Subaru took the covers off of the much-anticipated Impreza WRX at the New York auto show. Two body styles were unveiled, a sporty 5-door hatchback and a more conventional-looking sedan.'<br>Road&Track<br><A HREF="http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=5095" TARGET="_blank">http://www.roadandtrack.com/ar...=5095</A>

the1
03-31-2007, 02:35 PM
'Subaru took the covers off of the much-anticipated Impreza WRX at the New York auto show. Two body styles were unveiled, a sporty 5-door hatchback and a more conventional-looking sedan.'<p>So they're showing the sedan, too? Why no pics until now?

mzoltarp
03-31-2007, 03:29 PM
So at least there's slight hope. Thanks for giving me the clue!

SV
03-31-2007, 03:33 PM
it's not bad, it's just not great either. the inside looks good in the R&T pic, more modern than the MT picture, and the outside has grown on me...it's just very unimaginitive; the headlight graphic combined with the DLO and that blue color makes it look like they took a mazda3 and added a side crease and previous-gen impreza headlights...overall it's nice enough but breaks no new ground at all, and is likely to date very quickly (ignoring the fact that it looks a couple of years old already)

knicks125
03-31-2007, 04:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no worries, one of the 10 yearly facelifts that subaru does on the car will yield a nice one im sure</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol...<p>I hope Tribeca's second facelift (in as many years) would give Subaru a new edge. Third time has to be the charm, right?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So they're showing the sedan, too? Why no pics until now?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The R/T article was supposed to appear after the car had been unveiled next week. Perhaps this was printed for the actual magazine, and scheduled for delivery next week. My guess would be there was a mix-up.

the1
04-01-2007, 04:02 AM
I wonder how dated will the sedan look?

CosworthKid
04-01-2007, 06:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>63Bonneville</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is definitely different from it's predecessor, an quite more substantial.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What do u mean by "quite more substantial"? Apart from improved interior (which still looks dated) i see no improvement and no added substance to the car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

effew
04-02-2007, 03:23 AM
Now matter what they do or how many times you post this, the Impreza/WRX look has gotten crappier and crappier after the 04-05 look.<p>In short, something better looking comes out of my ass when I'm on the toilet. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

thedesigner
04-02-2007, 09:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>effew</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...<br>In short, something better looking comes out of my ass when I'm on the toilet. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>How eloquent... not exactly the constructive type of critical discussion we've come to expect from the CSS community. <br>Despite not having seen what comes out of your arse when you're on the john (elves? diamonds? hand-painted eggs?) I'd assume you're right... this new design is craptastic. I do disagree about the 06 Imp. The latest facelift of the current Impreza is in my opinion the best looking effort since the original goggle-eyed '02 hottie. The droopy-eyed, Corolla-like 04/05 Impreza made me want to go to sleep. I could hardly care what makes this new car superior dynamically or performance wise... The current sedan and hatch have it soundly beat in the character department... what an anonymous and uninspired design. Like a last gen Leon, Spectra5 and Mazda 3 gave birth to a B-minus student.

wildeye
04-13-2007, 11:39 AM
New Subaru Impreza from German "AutoBild SportsCars".<p><A HREF="http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8218/imprezaqi9.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img175.imageshack.us/im...9.jpg</A>

JB
04-13-2007, 12:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wildeye</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">New Subaru Impreza from German "AutoBild SportsCars".<p><A HREF="http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8218/imprezaqi9.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img175.imageshack.us/im...9.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its already been unveiled and it doesn't look like that.

against the wall
04-13-2007, 12:44 PM
theres still hope for that to be the STi though...

antman
04-15-2007, 04:11 PM
Yeah, does make a nice difference...

CosworthKid
04-16-2007, 11:05 AM
To me price is everything at this moment cause the Evo has the upper hand in every field except (maybe) performance where, even there, the Evo might be equal to the Impreza if not that much better. Price the Impreza lower than the Evo and u got a chance.

redcandle
04-30-2007, 08:26 AM
More Pictures....<p><br><A HREF="http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/04/2008-subaru-impreza-wrx-caught-in-open.html" TARGET="_blank">http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2....html</A>

CosworthKid
05-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Posted already on this page.<br>Why torture us again? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

jairo
06-14-2007, 11:24 AM
LOOK at what Subaru was suggesting for the new Impreza! It looks......WOW! How sleek and unique it could have looked!<br><A HREF="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u257/peugeot_2007/ssnh.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i170.photobucket.com/al...h.jpg</A><p>But instead it turned out like this. <br><IMG SRC="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u257/peugeot_2007/h.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>What Happened?! Were the sketches too stylish?

bolita
06-14-2007, 12:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jairo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOOK at what Subaru was suggesting for the new Impreza! It looks......WOW! How sleek and unique it could have looked!<br><A HREF="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u257/peugeot_2007/ssnh.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i170.photobucket.com/al...h.jpg</A><p>But instead it turned out like this. <br><IMG SRC="http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u257/peugeot_2007/h.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>What Happened?! Were the sketches too stylish?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your links aren't working for me....

jairo
06-14-2007, 05:52 PM
Try again later. Does it work for anyone else?

knicks125
06-26-2007, 10:15 AM
Impreza Outback Sport?<p><A HREF="http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2979" TARGET="_blank">http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2979</A>

Superfresa
06-26-2007, 10:23 AM
Oh my God! Just when I thought Subaru's design couldn't go any lower!

TopGear
06-26-2007, 10:47 AM
its not horrible. on an other note.. i was on subaru.com yesterday and noticed they stopped selling the legacy wagon. Why, it sold just as good as the outback wagon and gets better fuel economy. the leggy wagon is also in a different niche than the outback, the legacy competetes with stuff like the A4, and 3series and c class wagons and the out back competes with the allroad and XC70(albiet for a much lower price). Why did they get rid of a notrheasterners best freind in the winter! why o why? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

JRodrigues
07-03-2007, 09:42 AM
<A HREF="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2483/mainphpg2viewcoreci0.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img527.imageshack.us/im...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3273/mainphpg2viewcoreuj7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img527.imageshack.us/im...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7098/mainphpg2viewcorely7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img254.imageshack.us/im...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1640/mainphpg2viewcoresf0.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img254.imageshack.us/im...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1207/mainphpg2viewcorepp3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img159.imageshack.us/im...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5782/mainphpg2viewcorepe4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img159.imageshack.us/im...4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/628/mainphpg2viewcorezd3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img159.imageshack.us/im...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4734/mainphpg2viewcoresk2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img159.imageshack.us/im...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/542/mainphpg2viewcoretc3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img259.imageshack.us/im...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7272/mainphpg2viewcoregl2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img259.imageshack.us/im...2.jpg</A><p>Caught at the 'Ring<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 4:43 PM 7/3/2007</i>

PRODIGY
07-03-2007, 10:23 AM
Yay! Wide arches, wider intake in the grille, spoiler, yay!

bolita
07-03-2007, 01:58 PM
Looks promising... They should probably give all Imprezas the arches!

JB
07-03-2007, 06:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>smokeonit</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the ring pix are the regular impreza, not the wrx, the wrx 2008 will be with a trunk only, no hatchback as WRX... @ least he offical presentation pix suggest that.... the new WRX wasn't @ the ring only the old one in tandem with the new impreza...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would be inclined to believe that, except for the fact that this mule clearly has different fenders and a wing that the normal one doesn't.

against the wall
07-03-2007, 06:53 PM
not to mention the quad pipes...

smokeonit
07-03-2007, 07:34 PM
let' see, but i think just from the top heavy weight it's not really made to race...<p>the low center of gravity the saloon has is unbeatable... especially if going against other racers.... on the track this thing looked horrible... @ first i couldn't believe it's an impreza wrx sti...<p>i like the new saloon though;-) too bad it wasn't represented on the track.. maybe today;-)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by smokeonit at 6:17 AM 7/9/2007</i>

JRodrigues
07-05-2007, 01:11 PM
The WRX will be available as a 4d and 5d in the US.<br>No 4d in Europe and Japan.<br>No WRX in Japan (it is called the S-GT)<br>STI available only in 5d version

Mil
07-05-2007, 01:26 PM
SAloon looks nice, quite sleek, cant wait to see it irl.

autonutt
07-05-2007, 04:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TopGear</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its not horrible. on an other note.. i was on subaru.com yesterday and noticed they stopped selling the legacy wagon. Why, it sold just as good as the outback wagon and gets better fuel economy. the leggy wagon is also in a different niche than the outback, the legacy competetes with stuff like the A4, and 3series and c class wagons and the out back competes with the allroad and XC70(albiet for a much lower price). Why did they get rid of a notrheasterners best freind in the winter! why o why? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I noticed that too.. no more Legacy wagons and no more Outback sedans! Honestly, though, it makes sense because where the Outback models used to be top-level Legacys with white-letter radials and two-tone styling, now the base Outback wagon starts around $22K with monochrome paint and blackwalls.. basically the equivalent of the base Legacy sedan. And since ALL Subarus have AWD standard, there is no loss of utility for snowbound northeasterners. Let's just hope this model rationalization means the Impreza Outback Sport won't return after all.. at least not with the Outback name.<br>

JRodrigues
07-05-2007, 05:36 PM
But it will.. Impreza Outback as already been caught on cameras..

thedesigner
07-06-2007, 01:41 PM
You gotta be F-cking kidding me?! No more Legacy wagon&gt;?!! WTF is going on at Subaru? It's their most practical and best looking car... period. <B>TopGear</B> is dead on- it is a worthy Euro alternative for those looking for a car with AWD and room for gear or dogs. Seriously, why the move? Do they think that's going to boost sales in any way? I don't get it. I thought it was bad enough when they killed the manual in the GT-wagon. How could they lose money selling these cars? How does this hurt their image? They've been selling truckloads of the wagon in the NE and the NW ever since the Loyale. I'm pissed. No offense to the learning disabled or challenged out there but it's just plain f-ing retarded. Sorry to digress. I swear Subaru is ready to take a fall.... just when they finally seemed to get their stuff together here in NA. <p>Where's their entry level wagon now?! Certainly not the Impreza! Does that mean I have buy an Outback to get wagon? No fun... <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by thedesigner at 7:31 PM 7/6/2007</i>

TopGear
07-06-2007, 02:19 PM
Thanks for the complement, i totally agree with what you said about them being retarted, but this is part of toyota Toyota-izing subaru. They are ruining the essence that subarus have. and i also think that they are controlling all decisions coming out of FHI(fuji heavy industries-subaru's parent company for those who dont know). but on the note of no more legacy wagon, i heard a rumor from edmunds that the legacy GT would probably become the outback GT, but those fun ruiners at Toyota wont allow that. As soon as u know it there going to try to erase subaru's rally influence on their production cars(no more turbos). actually they have already started that. at the NY auto show, i was speeking to a subaru rep and he said that the legacy GT wont be offerd in the US any more after 08'- the 3.0R will replace it. That is total BS. The 3.0 has much slower throttle response, is heavier, and slower, and imo ugglier, it doesnt have a hood scoop! Geez im so pissed, i think im going to write a nasty letter to subaru!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

thedesigner
07-06-2007, 07:40 PM
Rotten S.O.B.'s.... the 3.0 is a dreadful lump compared to the 2.5 T. I'm thoroughly convinced someone internally at Toyota is either threatened by Subie's performance or completely unaware of the cult-following who knows why a Turbo and a Subie belong together. The Legacy GT is arguably the most well rounded car money can buy, at ANY price. I hope these injustices don't go unpunished. The Impreza makes me wretch and my favorite Subie has gone the way of the do-do. The Tribeca is hideously boring and the Forester is our last hope. Let's pray the next Forester doesn't burn holes in our eyes like this bloated bastard posing as our beloved Rex. I can't post anymore on Subaru... the love affair is officially over. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

mzoltarp
07-07-2007, 05:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thedesigner</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Legacy GT is arguably the most well rounded car money can buy, at ANY price. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really? I guess we had better alert BMW--among others--who knew?