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Santeno
04-06-2005, 10:26 AM
From Autocar:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>Bentley Rumored to be Developing an Exclusive 4x4...</u><p>Luxury marque to extend into 4x4 market<p>Bentley plans to make an off-roader, according to this week's Autocar. The report reckons that the secret project will be powered by a 450bhp, 6.0-litre W12 engine.<p>It's all part of a dastardly plan by Bentley's parent company, VW, to expand the marque into new areas, following a surge in sales of the GT Continental. As brand extensions go, this is a doozy.<p>Sales volume is the commercial driver for the move. If Bentley can get to 10,000 units annually, it can be self-sustaining, is the thinking at VW's HQ.<p>Audi's upcoming off-roader, Q7 and VW's luxury brand's answer to BMW's X5 and the Merc M-class, provides the basis for the new Bentley, codenamed BY616. The platform is a joint development between VW and Porsche -- one of a long line of such projects stretching back to their common, pre-WWII parentage. The project will get a five-seat interior, unlike the Audi's seven seat arrangement.<p>The 4x4 will be revealed at the Frankfurt motor show in September.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I truly, TRULY, hope this is some kind of sick April fools joke. IMO Bently is better served in bridging the gap between the top of Audi (and MB) and their "$300,000 +" models with a variety of vehicles before expanding into some odd market others do so well. And please, if this is true, do not repeat the attrocities Bentley made for the sultan of Brunei a few years ago.

Naga Royal Guard
04-06-2005, 10:28 AM
other ppl want them too; i think that if VW wants bently to be self sufficient as a division then who is anybody to question the wonderful and ultra-precise brand management going on over at VW

erzhik
04-06-2005, 10:37 AM
I think this may be true...As All leading companies already launched their SUV, Bentley is the only one who hasn't done it yet.. Not counting Rolls Royce

Santeno
04-06-2005, 10:45 AM
Pistonheads is reporting the same thing:<p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=10215" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/new...10215</A>

KebabGud
04-06-2005, 12:52 PM
they have already made some ..<br>thme sultan has 4 bently SUVs..

Santeno
04-06-2005, 01:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they have already made some ..<br>thme sultan has 4 bently SUVs..</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Did you miss that on my post? What you are referring to is called a Bentley Dominator. The only examples of which were Costum made for the Sultan of Brunei. They are little more than range rovers of the day with custom-made Bentley bodies and turbocharged engines:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.car.ee/galleryPic.php/5850.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>At a cost of abot 1.5 million each I doubt that any possible new Bentley SUV will resort to this.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 4:54 PM 4/6/2005</i>

Seller Automotive
04-06-2005, 02:24 PM
How will this compete with the Lamborghini SUV.. also owned by VW.<p>This seems like a strange competition of models, Bentley SUV 5 seat.. and Lambo SUV (most likely 5 seats.. performance/weight reasons).<p>450hp W12, thats pretty solid, and should have great Torque response for the Bentley.<p>I think Lambo will use a V10, the V12 is too expensive, and they gotta keep the car in the $130k range.<p><br>Many many many questions are circling by head.<p>I'm very excited about both these Vehicles.

KebabGud
04-06-2005, 02:42 PM
Lambo suv? what are you talking about..<br>Lambo was burnd by the LM002 in the 80s i cant see why they whould make a new one...<br>

Santeno
04-06-2005, 02:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lambo suv? what are you talking about..<br>Lambo was burnd by the LM002 in the 80s i cant see why they whould make a new one...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Keep up with the news old man. The only reason Lamborghini didn't do so well with the original LM was because they didn't get much of the military contracts they were expecting (though they did get a few middle eastern ones). That couple with the costs of their distributed assembly and exteremely poor quality of the spanish made bodies, made owning an ML002 and costly exercise in vehicle repair. When running properly and when not needing body work, LM002's were, and are still, some of the most capable and luxurious off-roaders ever built.<p>VW's and Lamborghini's intentions to create a successor to the LM002 are well known and advertised. Last I heard a decision hadn't been made public as to wether any lambo SUV would pursue off-road ability (like the LM002) or ultimate on-road performance (where it would make a more believeable Lamborghini - and probably sell more copies). There are even a few speculative renditions from autobild (which are horrible BTW) floating around.

mzoltarp
04-06-2005, 04:02 PM
Wow a Cayenne/Toaureg/Q7 becomes a Bentley! What's next? Does the VW Beduin become a Porsche Cardamon, Audi Q5, and a small Bentley SUV? I love GM's...I mean VW's brand management. Bentley needs an SUV as much as Madonna needs clothes from Lane Bryant (large size). (sarcasm)

Mindless T
04-06-2005, 05:47 PM
This car will be spinner-licious among many singers...

erzhik
04-06-2005, 08:58 PM
Lambo will launch another SUV, maybe a V12... I mean it's a Lambo, why not put V12 as Brabus did to their GV12 (first and only SUV with V12).... Bentley and Lambo are very different..<p>Bentley will be more like a very luxirious SUV as for the Lambo it maybe will be a more like sporty SUV to fight agains Cayenne and 6.0 Touareg...

IcedG35
04-06-2005, 09:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lambo will launch another SUV, maybe a V12... I mean it's a Lambo, why not put V12 as Brabus did to their GV12 (first and only SUV with V12).... Bentley and Lambo are very different..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The LM002 was the first to have a V12, it looks like the G600 will be the next.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:06 AM 4/7/2005</i>

JagZ
04-06-2005, 11:02 PM
Range Rover is also expected to offer a modified Aston V12 in the next few years.<p>I think I would still rather own a V12 Range Rover over the Bentley and Merc G600 (rumor). At least a Range Rover is what it is and will be extremely capable off-road too.<p>

skoochythatone
04-07-2005, 06:19 AM
Guys, I dont think this is true. Read the last sentence: "the car will be released at this Septembers Frankfurt motorshow"...thats less than 5 months. We wouldve seen some sort of pics by now, dont you think?<p>I personally think that it wouldnt make sense for Bentley to join in the battle of luxury SUVs. It might be VWs idea, but Bentley is better off selling their +300,000$ cars to the richest people in the world and making A LOT of money with it.

Santeno
04-07-2005, 08:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...thats less than 5 months. We wouldve seen some sort of pics by now, dont you think?...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not if what is being released is a styling concept in order to test consumer reactions.

Seller Automotive
04-07-2005, 08:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Guys, I dont think this is true. Read the last sentence: "the car will be released at this Septembers Frankfurt motorshow"...thats less than 5 months. We wouldve seen some sort of pics by now, dont you think?<p>I personally think that it wouldnt make sense for Bentley to join in the battle of luxury SUVs. It might be VWs idea, but Bentley is better off selling their +300,000$ cars to the richest people in the world and making A LOT of money with it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>They are making a TON more than they ever thought with the $160k Bentley Continental GT.. If they can do that again with a similarly priced SUV.. it will be another HUGE Home Run for Bentley.<p>Think about it.. as a Bentley Owner, would you rather have 1 $300k "sedan".. or 2 Bentley's.. the Continental GT (coupe or sedan) and this SUV... I no doubt would rather have 2 cars.

Hornbag
04-08-2005, 12:23 AM
Bently are fine as it is. They r rolling in money from the GT.<p>I still will never get why the hell every car maker needs an SUV. Jaguar, Bently etc should be left with notmal cars...

Top Secret
04-08-2005, 05:35 AM
A Bentley SUV eh? I really can't see the grille being utilised on an SUV - it's way too weird to think about it. It's, basically, another stupid idea by the beancounters for their country to raise profits - damn those beancounters, damn them. But I do think a Shooting Brake of a particular model would be awesome.<p>And Lambo's SUV is yet to be confirmed, merely a rumour. I personally think it won't happen - but the Espada hopefully will.

erzhik
04-08-2005, 08:39 AM
Maybe they will fit a different grille on it? huh?

Dan J.
04-08-2005, 09:03 AM
If they make a Bentley SUV will a Maybach or Rolls competitor be far behind? I hope not.

erzhik
04-08-2005, 05:35 PM
I don't think so..I mean who said that Bentley even close to Maybach? <br>to me Maybach is the most luxurious car on the road.. Even Rolls Royce didn't get Maybach yet... Rolls Royce and Maybach don't need an SUV as they are completely different rank and completely not as Bentley class..

PlatForm
04-08-2005, 11:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think so..I mean who said that Bentley even close to Maybach? <br>to me Maybach is the most luxurious car on the road.. Even Rolls Royce didn't get Maybach yet... Rolls Royce and Maybach don't need an SUV as they are completely different rank and completely not as Bentley class.. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>maybe maybach more luxurious but Rolls Royce brand more greater than Maybach...but i prefer Rolls Royce be'coz the british design.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
04-09-2005, 12:16 AM
yeah Rolls Royce is just a well known brand..but compare Phantom and Maybach 62... to me it looks like Maybach really showed Rolls how to make a design for a real luxury

Charger
04-11-2005, 03:12 PM
I think this cgi looks pretty good, the front needs some work but if this was the real thing I would like it<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Bentley/64551225171.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Bentley/64551226291.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: autocar<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Autocar has obtained tantalising details of a secret Bentley off-roader powered by a 450bhp 6.0-litre W12 engine that, if put into production, could radically alter the status quo at the upper end of the four-wheel-drive market. Codenamed BY616, the luxurious offering is among a number of proposals put forward by parent company Volkswagen in recent months as a means of further expanding the Bentley marque against a backdrop of surging sales, renewed brand awareness and an expanding customer base.<p>The big new Bentley, depicted here in our exclusive computer-generated images, is derived from the forthcoming Audi Q7  Ingolstadts answer to the BMW X5 and Mercedes-Benz M-class  due to be unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September.<p>However, like Bentleys recent models, the BY616 has been conceived with a unique body and interior  the latter foregoing the Audis seven-seat layout for a more commodious five-seat arrangement.<p>Production of the proposed model had been rejected by Bentley boss Franz-Josef Paefgen in a boardroom debate last December, and a senior Bentley insider told Autocar that he was also strongly against the idea of a 4x4.<p>But there remains a strong lobby of support for the new car, and the Bentley boss could be overruled by the upper echelons of VW, which is keen to see the British car makers production volume rise above 10,000 annually in the long term. At this level Bentley can be self-sustaining, said a high-ranking Wolfsburg insider. With the existing range that is only possible for one or two years at best. We want to sustain it at this level indefinitely.<p>Paefgen has had disagreements over 4x4s before. When boss of Audi, he refused to build an Audi version of the Touraeg/Cayenne project, commissioning the Allroad instead.<p>The idea behind the BY616 stems from the success of the Touareg Sport, which uses the W12 engine. Produced in a limited run of 500, the rapid four-wheel drive sold out within a month of its announcement last September, despite a price tag of 96,850, and 330 of them went to the Middle East alone.<p>The new Bentley has been conceived to sit at the very top of the Volkswagen Groups four-wheel-drive hierarchy, above the Touareg and Audi Q7. And price estimates of 120,000 by industry analysts make it almost double the price of a Range Rover. With much of its mechanical package sourced from within the Volkswagen Group, analysts contend BY616 could generate profits on volumes of slightly less than 2000 annually over a 10-year model cycle.<p>The big concern, of course, is the risk to Bentleys blue-chip image, but Bentleys customer base has changed dramatically in recent years, and there are signs that the majority of new Bentley owners may actually welcome such a move. The average age of Continental GT buyers is below 50, says a Bentley US source, Many dont have any preconceptions of what a Bentley should be, except that it must make a bold visual statement. While a 4x4 may seem at odds with Bentleys traditional image, the controversial Cayenne, for example, has become a successful and profitable part of the Porsche range.<p>The BY616 has been conceived around the same platform as the Audi Q7, itself a development of the structure underpinning the Touareg and Cayenne. Features include permanent four-wheel drive and air springs and, like the Q7, it does without a transfer case and low-ratio gearing.<p>Initial proposals call for a car stretching to over 5100mm long, nearly 2000mm wide and 1750mm high. Our images convey how the new car could look rather than providing any detailed clues to its appearance.<p>As with the Continental GT and Flying Spur, the BY616 has been conceived to use a 6.0-litre W12 engine. Unlike in its coup and saloon siblings, however, the four-valve-per-cylinder unit is normally aspirated, with power dropping from 650bhp to 450bhp  as in the Touareg W12 Sport  while torque dips by 37lb ft to 442lb ft. Despite the drop and a probable kerbweight well above 2000kg, performance would be quite impressive if the Touaregs 0-62mph time of 5.9sec is anything to go by.<p>There is also the possibility of endowing the BY616 with hybrid power, boosting the W12 with electric motors. Such a set-up is being readied for the Q7, according to Audi chairman Martin Winterkorn, which would make it easily adaptable for the Bentley.<p>Also being weighed up is a modified version of Audis new 4.2-litre V8 diesel, which is set to be unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show. In the upcoming Q7, it pushes out a stout 310bhp and 516lb ft.<p>Bentley has already eyed up Volkswagens under-utilised Dresden facility to boost its production capacity. Home to the slow selling Volkswagen Phaeton, the ultra-modern factory appears perfectly suited to Bentleys requirements, especially as the 4x4 would use a different platform to the Conti GT and Flying Spur.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: autocar

Roadster44
04-11-2005, 03:19 PM
If they build it a super sports SUV like Cayenne or pehaps FX45 then this thing might be successful. Obviously it needs to have Bentley-ishness to it. Styling, interior, peformance. etc

IcedG35
04-11-2005, 03:25 PM
I never realized that the Tourag was available with a W12 in other countires...I think Bentley needs to stop this W12 nonsense and make its own engines that aren't merely 2 VW V6's joint together. Hopefully this truck will have better quality than the plastic panneled GT.

Roadster44
04-11-2005, 03:29 PM
W12 is a spectacular engine. Its more then good enough for Bentley.

Uberwagon
04-11-2005, 04:14 PM
Yes, I don't think economics would allow Bentley to develop their own unique engine at this time. At least not yet. Engineering a new motor is terribly expensive and the Conti GT's are totally sold out with the W12. Given those sales, it's debatable weather a new engine is needed. But with the success they're enjoying, they might be able to start engineering their own motors profitably in the future.

erzhik
04-11-2005, 05:28 PM
W12 is one crazy engine. A lot of power, a lot of torgue.

bucket
04-12-2005, 04:44 AM
the "W" stands for whale. those engines are HEAVY. i agree that it would be nice for bentley to have its own engines, but they can sell their cars based on image alone these days. it seems like their primary buyers in america don't even look under the hood.

erzhik
04-12-2005, 06:51 AM
no offense but many people in US don't know anything about engines.. It seams that many people talk about HEMI but most of them don't even know what HEMI is... they just say HEMI. There are some people who really know about cars, but when I see a commercial with a durango in it and a woman says to her husband HEMI, this makes me laugh over and over again. <br>American cars have a huge engine like 5.5 or 6.0 and they have no power at all. Engines are huge but when you put up a 8.0 VIPER vs. S500 there is no way that VIPER will beat it. There is no way that you can beat MB on the highway.. Everyone knows that. <br>Maybe I am off topic but these are my thoughts about some American engines.<p>I have seen with my own eyes how a S500 beats the hell out of American Muscle car in Moscow..

turbonium959
04-12-2005, 08:19 AM
Uh, what the hell. Why not??? The platform is already shared with Cayenne/Touareg/Q7 anyways. Engine is also widely used through out Audis, VWs, Benteleys. All Bentley would have to do is adopt their own classy interior and boom, we have another super-luxury SUV. Rap stars would be bling-bling all over it. There are tons of areas where Bentley can save costs for this SUV to kick ass for almost the same cost as a tricked out Range Rover or a Gelandewagen.

taskbearer
04-12-2005, 12:56 PM
I may have been against the porsche cayene and still am. Even if the car is a success now, it would degrade porsches imge on the long run. This brings me to the Bently SUV idea. This to me sounds like a smarter idea than the cayenne. As many people have said alreaady, society has changed and I guess we have to move wisely with the change or else be left behind. The execution of the car is what is really going to mke the difference. If bently can create a more luxurious interior than the range rover and give the vehicle a purposeful design, It would fly like a kite on steroids. All the quality attributes and engineering of audi would just be a bonus.<p>I'm all for this Idea.

Seller Automotive
04-12-2005, 01:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If they build it a super sports SUV like Cayenne or pehaps FX45 then this thing might be successful. Obviously it needs to have Bentley-ishness to it. Styling, interior, peformance. etc</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont agree.. If they make it the same way they build the Continental GT, THEN it will be a mega success.<p>Make it BIG... Wide, Fat, Huge Engine... and only 1 engine at that.. dont give people the option to "make it cheaper" by having a V8.. keep it prestigious, keep it a big W12 Twin Turbo engine like the GT.. and give it a name that people can easily refer to it as.. like how the Continental GT is just the "Bentley GT".<p>If its easy to brag about.. with little to NO confussion... it will be a HUGE success.. I PRAY they dont make something like the Cayenne.. and Completely downgrade the Cayenne Turbo's image by making a "baby V6" version.<p>I'm very excited for this Bentley.. I hope they build it right.<p><br>I also think those renderings are PERFECT!! especially the rear shot.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 1:27 PM 4/12/2005</i>

taskbearer
04-12-2005, 01:34 PM
Totally on the same page with you Seller

Superfresa
04-12-2005, 01:49 PM
This has just turned ridiculous. I'm not liking the idea of a crapload of V12 SUVs that will never see anything else than the pavement, nor will they have the ability to do so. Why Don't rich people get a Wagon if they need more space than a sedan?<p>And how many more times will other manufacturers try to challange the Range Rover without achieving it?

Seller Automotive
04-12-2005, 05:16 PM
Because Men like BIG things... Big Houses, Big Boats, Big Choppers, Big Tits, Big Cars... and ESPECIALLY Big SUV's.<p>I'm all for this Segment, and I'm all for this Bentley...

erzhik
04-12-2005, 05:46 PM
agree with Seller...<p>

Rugbyplaya91
04-12-2005, 07:51 PM
i had a huge feeling it would look like flying spurr

Santeno
04-13-2005, 08:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because Men like BIG things... Big Houses, Big Boats, Big Choppers, Big Tits, Big Cars... and ESPECIALLY Big SUV's.<p>I'm all for this Segment, and I'm all for this Bentley...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I'm a Man and a very secure heterosexual, and I like Big houses, medium size boats, medium to smaller (handsized) boobies (I can palm a basketball), small sports cars (large cars only if it's an A8 or an XJ-8), Medium sized SUV's, and I don't really give a crap about helicopters.<p>IMO a vehicle of this type will appeal to a similar type of buyer who today buys things like G5's or Large Cadillac SUV's (and proceed to spend $40K in modifications). It will be an in your face rolling status symbol, which will be rare even amongst those with the means to buy one.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:07 PM 4/13/2005</i>

Seller Automotive
04-13-2005, 10:22 AM
I like big boobs for the same reason I like most things.. they draw attention.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't really give a crap about helicopters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>A "Chopper" is a type of motorcycle.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 10:36 AM 4/13/2005</i>

Seller Automotive
04-13-2005, 10:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It will be an in your face rolling status symbol</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Story of my life.

Santeno
04-13-2005, 10:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A "Chopper" is a type of motorcycle.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Oops, I'm an idiot. How did I miss that? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

bentleyboy
04-15-2005, 01:56 AM
This cant be true... sob... sob... sob, Bentley needs to look at specific areas of their brand identity - and as the owner of one of these fine machines (OK Passenger) i would be very upset to see Bentley make a SUV. My mums 05 Arnage with 450bhp is much more of a bentley than any 4wd - no matter what the badge! Dont like the new Flying Spur either -it looks - wrong... time for a new styling direction and this SUV looks like a Conti GT that has been kicked up the backside... love the drophead coupe though - used to have an Azure - this is much better... If God drove a car...

LR4ME
04-15-2005, 04:15 AM
Volkswagen is devaluing the Bentley brand to the point of no return.<p>They need to focus on what Bentley is all about. Big, fat, irretrievably ugly four wheels drives they aren't. Big fat gorgeous coupe's and sedan's they are!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 7:10 PM 4/17/2005</i>

Roadster44
04-15-2005, 05:22 AM
I think it goes well with that Bling Bling factor. Your typical rap stars, football players would buy it. Thing is it has to be built as a sporty suv with ton of class.

bentleyboy
04-16-2005, 06:02 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> Does Bentley really have a 'Bling Bling' factor to them - they are outrageously expensive understated cars built for those who enjoy luxury and prestige. If you want <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> 'Bling Bling' <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> buy a black Hummer and give it Chrome mags - The Marque is being exploited by VW - a company not interested in cars but finance and keeping the books in the black - no matter the cost to brand identities and public image. In all honesty the 4x4 looks like a Flying Spur that has been booted up the rear - how could it compare the Range Rover - a brand identity built on 4x4's - Nothing ever has and nothing ever will. Please VW, dont do it!<p>Also, when (exception of the X5 and Range Stormer) have SUV's been remotely sporty? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 7:11 PM 4/17/2005</i>

DSC-OFF
07-15-2005, 06:08 PM
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LEXUS FAN!
07-16-2005, 12:27 AM
i don't like it when these ridiculous chops come out that will look nothing like the actual thing...though they are interesting to look at every so often

CosworthKid
07-17-2005, 12:18 PM
Hey guys i dont think we should put much weight to all those speculations about a Bentley SUV.According to Brit "CAR" magazine,a lot of people within Bentley absolutely hate the idea of Bentley taking the "easy-profit" German route taken by Mercedes,Porsche and BMW in making niche vehicles and luxury SUV.Bentley as a traditional luxo brand wants the company to remain exclusive,classic and low-volume.It's just that they are taking a lot of pressure and bs from the guys at VW who have a huge stake in shares in Bentley.

Tidal
07-17-2005, 01:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's just that they are taking a lot of pressure and bs from the guys at VW who have a huge stake in shares in Bentley.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The same BS that got them the Continental GT and the Flying Spur. I personally don't like the idea of a Bentley SUV ( and for what i've read, there are plenty of VW guys who don't like this idea either, like Bentley's president ), but you can't live on name alone. They have to have a product structure, and one that sells, not only today, but with a possibility of continued interest and maybe even growth.

CosworthKid
07-17-2005, 03:22 PM
I dont disagree with you DeadDave but take a look at Rolls for example.The only have the Phantom and still they are making enough profit for themselves and yet maintaining a level of exclusivity second to none,something that Mercedes(for example) has lost.And Bentley was always a direct competitor to RR.Another example is Ferrari and Lambo:both are very exclusive marques and they only have a pair of cars at a time,all based on the same principles.

StevenZoz
08-17-2005, 06:53 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/f48koenig_8zkdz.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotitre.com/forum...z.jpg</A><p>"bentley dominator"<br>rear pic of these<p><A HREF="http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/f48koenig_ywr0x.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotitre.com/forum...x.jpg</A>

against the wall
08-17-2005, 07:52 PM
are those new pics? or are they old?

AM2K
08-17-2005, 08:09 PM
I believe that these Bentley Dominators, are custom built cars which are owned by the Sultan of Brunei (the guy with one of the most amazing car collections on the planet). I think these bentley SUV's even have the concept java style front grill and lights.<p>I think these cars are based on Range Rovers though...

against the wall
08-17-2005, 08:11 PM
that sultan guy gets like all these custom made cars. like those ferrari 456gt wagons. only 7 in the world and he has them all. are there any sites devoted to his car collection?

AM2K
08-17-2005, 08:19 PM
These are the only ones i have in my favourites:<p><A HREF="http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3200.asp?id=10495" TARGET="_blank">http://www.classicdriver.com/u...10495</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autozine.org/article/brunei/sultan.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozine.org/article/brunei/sultan.htm</A><p>But search with google and you will find some more sites.

Ascariss
08-18-2005, 01:16 AM
If Bentley eventually makes the SUV, why not ferrari a four door coupe. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> The latest chop is fine, except the lights. Top looks to be from the Q7, perhaps they could rebadge it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
08-18-2005, 07:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..why not ferrari a four door coupe. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think they are.. :-D Im for it, ive been for it..when Ferrari enters that new niche theyll bankroll for more exotic cars

polyana
08-18-2005, 02:42 PM
It's so funny how ugly these ps attempts are!

Designo
08-18-2005, 07:11 PM
This is amazing.<p>Touareg/Cayenne/Q7/Bentley/Lamborghini<p>all on one shared platform! This should be interesting.

StevenZoz
12-08-2005, 02:03 PM
BENTLEY SUV IS DEAD<p>they were highly considering it but realized it wouldnt fit in.<p>SOURCE: MT January 2006

AM2K
12-08-2005, 04:15 PM
If thats true, then im pretty happy with that!<p>I just feel the Bentley name doesnt quite suit an SUV type vehicle...<p>Hopefully they can proceed full steam ahead with the new Arnage replacement!

geary
12-09-2005, 12:52 AM
Well, I love looking at those crazy PS's. Same with this one, 'cept this one is mine!<p>It's a shame about Bentley canning this (if it's true) IMO. Anyway, here's my rendition.<p> <IMG SRC="http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5426/joshbentleyq72ww.jpg" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
12-30-2005, 08:18 AM
<A HREF="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/7r9jefhu.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i7.photobucket.com/albu...u.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.motortrend.com" TARGET="_blank">MT</A>

against the wall
12-30-2005, 08:56 PM
motortrend is hypocritical. didnt they announce in their own magazine that this was dead?

StevenZoz
12-30-2005, 09:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">motortrend is hypocritical. didnt they announce in their own magazine that this was dead?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BENTLEY SUV IS DEAD<p>they were highly considering it but realized it wouldnt fit in.<p>SOURCE: MT January 2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

Gian86
06-26-2006, 10:27 PM
Hey, there's a rumor Bentley SUV is back on it's production wish list:<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060626.001/6060626.001.1L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><p>Info:<p><I><br><B>Bentley goes off the road</B><br></I><p><I>Is this Cayenne test mule the first hint to an SUV from the traditional British make Bentley? We guess so! Rumours have suggested for a long time that the car will be coming and German owner Volkswagen is certainly keen on broadening the range of Bentley. <p>An SUV would fit perfectly to the image of the British make. On top, it would make perfect sense to let Porsche do the basic engineering as the Stuttgart firm was heavily involved in developing VWs own Touareg SUV  and, of course, their own Cayenne. <p>Besides these two plus Audis new Q7, a Bentley SUV would be the fourth model to be built around the same platform and technique  and there might even be a Lamborghini derivative, though latest information from Sant Agata say that the Lambo 4x4 is still some years away.<p>While underpinnings wouldnt differ much from those used for the three existing SUVs, power is likely to come from both, the Arnages 6.75-litre V8 with 475 bhp and the Continental GTs 6-litre W12 TwinTurbo developing 560 bhp. <br></I><p>Source: Worldcarfans.com

jts
06-27-2006, 12:46 AM
that worldcar fans cgi is one heck of a blaoted cayenne

Porschefan
06-27-2006, 05:10 PM
Hey, Bentleys <i>are</i> supposed to be built like trains...lol

Jamiewhite
06-28-2006, 03:43 AM
Bentley are working on a SUV which will debut at the Frankfurt motor show and will be called the Cross Continental.<p> <A HREF="http://www.sybarites.org/2006/06/27/bentley-to-make-suv/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.sybarites.org/2006/...-suv/</A> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Jamiewhite at 5:26 AM 6/28/2006</i>

mzoltarp
06-28-2006, 03:58 AM
Lovely. Yet another T-reg variation. I'm sure it will sell because it will probably be in the 100k range as opposed to 200k given that it's a pedestrian VW at heart. Granted it's a step up from a Q7 both in status and styling, but it will step on the Cayenne in terms of price. How Porsche would allow this now that they have major say in VW's affairs mystifies me. To my way of thinking, replacing the antedeluvian Arnage should be a priority. Also a Bentley coupe and sedan just ever so larger than a BMW 3 series with a Lambo V10 for 125k would be quite nice.

the1
06-28-2006, 04:07 AM
I guess a Bentley SUV won't be a direct competitor to the Cayenne. The Bentley will be the more upscale, elegant and luxurious variant, while the Cayenne is the sporty luxury SUV of the group.

Jamiewhite
06-28-2006, 06:07 AM
I think it will be in the $150k price range.

IcedG35
06-28-2006, 09:32 AM
I'd like to see them stuff the TT W12 in this....that'd be one sick SUV that only Mercedes would dare to compete with.

Jamiewhite
06-28-2006, 10:53 AM
Audi TT W12????

against the wall
06-28-2006, 11:02 AM
TwinTurbo

the1
06-28-2006, 11:34 AM
Hmmm... what's next? A Lambo MPV? A Bentley pick-up?

Jamiewhite
06-28-2006, 01:42 PM
Actually I think Lamorghini are making an SUV aswell.

against the wall
06-28-2006, 01:49 PM
he said mpv, not suv.

the1
06-28-2006, 02:18 PM
They made an SUV, actually a pure off-roader, several years ago, the LM. It looked like a Hummer. Rumours said they had some plans to build a new SUV, but I hope we'll never see that happening.

Jamiewhite
06-29-2006, 09:54 AM
It was called the LM002 and Hunter Thomson had one.

mzoltarp
06-30-2006, 09:32 AM
MPV, SUV, sport cute, CUV, segment buster, etc...six of one half a dozen of another.

Jamiewhite
06-30-2006, 09:39 AM
What is a CUV?

Santeno
06-30-2006, 10:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jamiewhite</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is a CUV?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>CUV is an accronym for Car Utility Vehicle. It is a catch-all category for the wide range of car-based crossovers that don't fall cleanly into any of the existing categories (SUV's, cars, wagons, minivans, etc.), and which don't necessarily share the same charcteristics with each other.<p>For example, Mercedes' new R-Class, Chrysler's Pacifica and Mazda's CX, as different as they are from each other, would all be CUV's.

DaDesign
06-30-2006, 11:58 AM
it reminds me of a chop I did awhile ago.<p><A HREF="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f89/dadesign24/BentleyPinnacle.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i45.photobucket.com/alb...e.jpg</A>

DoMiNo
06-30-2006, 12:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>CUV is an accronym for Car Utility Vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm pretty sure it's "Crossover Utility Vehicle"...

against the wall
06-30-2006, 12:55 PM
its the same thing if you think about it. car utility is basically saying crossover between a car and a utility so that makes crossover utility vehicle kinda redundant.

Mr. Fusion
07-01-2006, 01:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jamiewhite</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it will be in the $150k price range.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Way more than that mate. Currently the Bentley Continental GT 2 door coup is selling at 90,000 and when the coup came out it was priced at around 120,000. This SUV will cost around 80,000 to 120,000 or even 135,000 which would be about $90,000 to $160,000 U.S dollars. Thats my guess.

jts
07-01-2006, 03:14 AM
whoa this a maad car

against the wall
07-01-2006, 07:36 PM
once again. read the thread in the lounge about post content.

AM-DB9
07-02-2006, 05:58 AM
That chop you did is one pretty beast. lol

CosworthKid
07-02-2006, 01:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mr. Fusion</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Way more than that mate. Currently the Bentley Continental GT 2 door coup is selling at 90,000 and when the coup came out it was priced at around 120,000. This SUV will cost around 80,000 to 120,000 or even 135,000 which would be about $90,000 to $160,000 U.S dollars. Thats my guess.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmmm...Mr Fusion the guy said $150k and u said "way more than that" yet you continued saying "..would be about $90,000 to $160,000"..I don't get it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
07-02-2006, 04:21 PM
I read that the Chief of Bentley nixed the idea of this car for brand image puposes.<br>If the VW superiors think that this proposed SUV will be a god send to Bentley.<br>Then they will kill the identity of Bentley.<p>To come from Traditional hand built luxury performance cars catering for traditionalists to destroying their identity in the quest for it's products to get in the latest Rap video lets hope that common sense prevails. and they nix this idea for good. Traditionalists would be in an uproar.<p>When BMW saw the Phantom being paraded in a JLO video some execs almost choked on their bratwurst - Because it was not what they associated with the Rolls-Royce brand.<p>Incidentally one Rap star's business manager wanted the RR 100 EX cabrio for his clients video - Maybe Him driving it with scantilly clad ladies sprawled over the passenger seats, BMW said - NO! Maybe it's the fact it was a prototype and cost a lot of money or else the client inisist it being fitted with diamond encrusted spinners.<p>Bentley have to follow their original path and cater like Rolls-Royce in which they have to stay to their core markets and identity. <br>Ian Cameron says it and so does Chris Bangle " we don't do Bling!"<p>In the fact the first production models of September's upcoming Corniche only a handfull are going to the entertainment industry.<p>

against the wall
07-02-2006, 06:26 PM
so i guess you are alluding to the production 100ex being called the corniche and having it be intro'ed at paris? woohoo im excited. not like im ever gonna be able to afford it or anything but woohoo.

mzoltarp
07-02-2006, 06:54 PM
They'll do bling in a heartbeat if there is money in it.

JBlair
07-02-2006, 07:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They'll do bling in a heartbeat if there is money in it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nah. The Germans running RR and Bentley actually have backbones and won't sponsor any official 'blinging' of their products. They won't sell out or cater to it like a certain American brand.

against the wall
07-02-2006, 07:09 PM
*cough DCX cough*

JBlair
07-02-2006, 07:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>against the wall</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*cough DCX cough*</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, I was thinking Cadillac more than DCX.

against the wall
07-02-2006, 07:18 PM
o well cadillac is kinda the like the gm division for that area of consumers. i said dcx because dub magazine has the 300c and the charger somewhere in their issues. same with the magnum. also people seem to bling out neons and benzes, etc. but i wouldnt count on people blinging out a new sebring anytime soon. and i hope they wont bling out a challenger.

Fabia SDI Elegance
07-06-2006, 10:59 PM
Bentley SUV Mule:<p><A HREF="http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_novosti/0.878018001152178336_b1v.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_...v.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_novosti/0.878231001152178336_b2v.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_...v.jpg</A><p><br>Source: Vidiauto.com

SOLAR
07-07-2006, 02:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fabia SDI Elegance</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bentley SUV Mule:<p><A HREF="http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_novosti/0.878018001152178336_b1v.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_...v.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_novosti/0.878231001152178336_b2v.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vidiauto.com/slike_...v.jpg</A><p><br>Source: Vidiauto.com</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you sure that's not the mule for the Panamera?

AM2K
07-07-2006, 05:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SOLAR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Are you sure that's not the mule for the Panamera?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>An excellent point, and i've thought the same thing as well in recent days. I looked back at the Porsche Panamera thread and surprise surprise the SAME prototype with the same registration plate was snapped back in April and labelled as a Panamera mule: <p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/gcf/spyphotoID/6060407.003/porsche/first-porsche-panamera-spy-photos" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...hotos</A><p><br>So which one is it?<p>Panamera: <A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060407.003/6060407.003.mini2L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A><p>Bentley: <A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060626.001/6060626.001.mini3L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...L.jpg</A><p>I'm very confused about this all.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

fippsey
07-07-2006, 05:34 AM
no 1 realy knows which 1 it is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>it could just be just another porche suv <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
07-07-2006, 08:45 AM
I cannot fathom a Bentley SUV rolling down a boulevard, and looking classy. Are they trying to turn it into a footballer's brand? All the real people with money will dump it.

mzoltarp
07-07-2006, 09:47 AM
LOL The footballers and bling blingers are real people and they have money. My thought is that they are actively targeting people with new money because they would all be conquest sales.

Ascariss
07-07-2006, 10:24 AM
It's like those m5 prototypes lol. Anyone care to shed some light on this?

Fabia SDI Elegance
07-07-2006, 10:36 AM
I'm confused too but you never know.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
07-26-2006, 07:59 PM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/ecf/spyphotoID/6060726.001/bntly/spy-photos-more-new-bentley-4x4" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...y-4x4</A>

cuisine
02-13-2012, 06:16 PM
Bentley will reportedly use next month’s Geneva Motor Show to reveal its long-anticipated SUV model. The Geneva show is scheduled to kick off on March 6. Likely to be unveiled as a concept car in Geneva, the production version of the Bentley SUV will ride on a variation of the platform that underpins the Audi Q7 . Although the Q7 is best-suited for on-road duties, insiders have revealed to Autoweek that the yet-to-be-named Bentley SUV will have “legitimate off-road capability.” Power for the Bentley SUV will be provided by the Continental’s 6.0L W12 engine. That powerplant is good for 567 horsepower under the hood of the Continental, but could be tweaked to produce more than 600 horsepower for the SUV. Bentley was originally targeting a 2015 launch of the SUV, but the Geneva unveiling could be a signal that the Range Rover-rival will arrive earlier than expected. Whenever the SUV finally does hit Bentley dealerships, expect a price tag of at least $240,000.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bentley-suv-could-arrive-next-month.html

disap.ed
02-13-2012, 07:15 PM
Time to change the thread title I guess :)

boston
02-13-2012, 08:51 PM
With RR's close to $145k optioned out (of course there is always something more the Company can add for customers) its going to look like a bargain if the Bentley does price out at $240k

boston
03-06-2012, 04:19 PM
I'm having a serious visual problem with the vehicle shown at Geneva.Looks like a 1967 Austin Cambridge cross with a MG Magnette

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/03/boo-it-new-bentley-exp-9-f-super.html

Here is an example of a real Austin Cambridge that someone actually put a MG Magnette nose on!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55777341@N00/6314193981/

disap.ed
03-19-2014, 02:19 PM
Teaser pic for the series version released

http://i.imgur.com/FDWo5DQ.jpg

Front has definitely changed (thank god)

IcedG35
03-19-2014, 08:41 PM
the end result will likely just be a Continental GT on steroids design wise, kind of like the 5 series transformation into the original X5.

The Pretender
03-20-2014, 05:43 PM
I think it's a "First of April" Joke. ;)

turbonium959
03-20-2014, 06:31 PM
I am more curious as to which platform this behemoth will be build upon. There is a good chance that will become a $200K+ Touareg/Cayenne/Q7. Regardless of what it will look like and its contents, it will still sell. Especially in the US, since the SUVs are exempt from the gas guzzler tax. So go on, Bentley, stick a naturally aspirated version of the W16 from the Veyron under the hood! Oh, and make it a hybrid too. But don't put too many batteries in it, because it may get so heavy that it would require a CDL to operate. OK, I'm done being silly now :)

swizzle
03-21-2014, 12:40 AM
A $200K Toerag would be a very bad move. They need to give the Q7, Q9 (rumored), Cayenne, Bentley SUV, Lamborghini Urus a light aluminum/carbon fiber intensive platform. Letting the truly dismal Toerag die in favor of the better and better priced (hopefully) CrossBlue.

cuisine
03-21-2014, 04:14 PM
hope for low range and ARB bull bar with winch as option

Swallow Doretti
05-27-2014, 08:46 PM
Bentley has launched a new website to tease the vehicle, which is a full TWO years from actually launching:

http://newbentley.bentleymotors.com/en/the-new-bentley-suv.html

IcedG35
05-27-2014, 11:11 PM
where are you getting that date from? maybe just 2016 model year with a 2015 launch?

caarmike
05-28-2014, 12:33 AM
Not un-heard-of to do an early pre-launch site like this. Ford had its US Fiesta site up in December 2008 and the car wasn't on sale until June 2010.

As for the Bentley, just hoping it looks better than that hideous concept.

against the wall
05-28-2014, 01:08 AM
where are you getting that date from? maybe just 2016 model year with a 2015 launch?

its a 2016 launch for 2017 MY

63Bonneville
05-28-2014, 08:06 AM
What I'm seeing here is a fastback SUV, not unlike a BMW X6 and X4, and the upcoming Mercedes-Benz MLC-Class. The upcoming Lamborghini Urus may take the same direction, and perhaps the upcoming Q6 and Q8 at Audi. This would probably be sized around the Audi Q7, taking the test-mule into account, where the body-panels of the current/outgoing generation are being used to cloak it.

Swallow Doretti
05-28-2014, 05:05 PM
where are you getting that date from? maybe just 2016 model year with a 2015 launch?

It was in the press release announcing the site--2016 launch as a 2017 MY vehicle.

IcedG35
06-02-2014, 10:32 PM
It was in the press release announcing the site--2016 launch as a 2017 MY vehicle.

got it, maybe they don't want to take the show from Audi which will likely release the new Q7 in the next year

cuisine
06-09-2014, 04:02 PM
http://www.topgear.com/uk/imageresize/image.jpg?OriginalImageUrl=%2fuk%2fassets%2fcms%2f 59121f95-019c-4a36-96f5-5abd439d979e%2fLarge+Image.jpg%3fp%3d140609_02%3a2 5&Width=615&Height=347

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/bentley-suv-exclusive-image-top-gear-2014-06-09

Nicktyelor
06-09-2014, 04:21 PM
Ugh. They ruined it. I thought the original was perfectly fine. I didn't understand the hate bombshell it received. Yes it was garish in places, but the proportions and stance was unique and very Bentley. Now the front looks like an exact graft of a Continental front end. The old headlight layout was much better with the two big round lights, sans the obnoxious fog lamps below. I think they should have just refined the rear a bit and de-blinged the front . It'll probably end up being only a slightly tweaked version of the concept, but those headlights really bother me.

swizzle
06-09-2014, 07:49 PM
It could be a fake front....fingers crossed

IcedG35
06-10-2014, 03:12 AM
seems real. leave the design statement to Rolls. what will sell like crazy, like it or not, is a range rover with a continental front end grafted on, which is what this seems to be transitioning into. we may all find it boring but this car will be a sales home run.

Ascariss
06-10-2014, 09:37 AM
Bold they even put a link on the side of the test car haha.

I doubt the front is fake, at the least the headlight position is real, hood seems extra, as well as the lower fascia. Some details on the site

http://newbentley.bentleymotors.com/en/the-new-bentley-suv/gallery.html

cuisine
06-11-2014, 03:18 PM
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2016-bentley-suv-spy-shots_100469176_l.jpg

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2016-bentley-suv-spy-shots_100469178_l.jpg

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2016-bentley-suv-spy-shots_100469182_l.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079544_2016-bentley-suv-spy-shots-with-interior?fbfanpage

Nicktyelor
06-11-2014, 07:24 PM
It looks even more like an inflated Continental now. The rear lights are now just the plain old stacked ovals.

cuisine
01-12-2015, 01:20 PM
http://youtu.be/8nzyvCjlE2A

cuisine
01-12-2015, 08:24 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10926404_965172240177335_7332790602256492594_n.jpg ?oh=504630fd32dd9c22fc0465064549fdcb&oe=5532E6DA&__gda__=1428196870_21c0fffce085ac3a592891428247c8a 4

http://bentayga.bentleymotors.com/en/the-new-bentley-suv/see-more/beyond-suv.html

swizzle
01-13-2015, 12:26 AM
What's with the clunky VW name? Bentayga sounds like a terminal disease; I don't care that it refers to something.

IcedG35
01-13-2015, 01:37 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10926404_965172240177335_7332790602256492594_n.jpg ?oh=504630fd32dd9c22fc0465064549fdcb&oe=5532E6DA&__gda__=1428196870_21c0fffce085ac3a592891428247c8a 4

http://bentayga.bentleymotors.com/en/the-new-bentley-suv/see-more/beyond-suv.html

clearly functional given its covered in every shot with camo. nicely detailed but even the king of bling escalade has dropped the hackneyed side vent.

mick78
03-10-2015, 03:18 PM
http://www.carscoops.com/2015/03/we-caught-thinly-disguised-bentley.html

Parked "carelessly" and with very little disguise outside some shopping mall....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ynR5G4_gJx0/VP7nMDg65CI/AAAAAAAAvyM/ud03VyQUsYg/s1600/2016-Bentley-Bentayga-SUV-CSP35.jpg

I avn't help but think that proportions and shape look remarkably like an Audi Q7. Which is not a good thing. Technically surely good, but for me the tarted up Audi look is a no go...

IcedG35
03-10-2015, 04:11 PM
That front overhang is really terrible with such a heavy front end design. Both the Cayenne and the Touareg do a much better job of disguising it.

disap.ed
03-10-2015, 04:21 PM
This probably needs at least 21 inch wheels to hide the front overhang at least a bit. Hideous :(

swizzle
03-11-2015, 03:26 PM
...I avn't help but think that proportions and shape look remarkably like an Audi Q7. Which is not a good thing. Technically surely good, but for me the tarted up Audi look is a no go...

Probably because it IS a Q7????

mick78
03-11-2015, 04:23 PM
Probably because it IS a Q7????

We all know that. But looking similar to one of the least attractive SUVs (costing much less) AND being technically very similar won't help justifying a premium price. Just as I said in relation to various VAG products of late, I feel they start to look and feel way too similar to keep brand identities separate. And VAG has to learn that whilst it is acceptable to have a Skoda Octavia and double that price Audi S3 base upon very similar mechanics and have similar design languages (though even there it si sometimes already too close for comfort), because both are mass market cars, it ain't for anything in true premium segment...

boston
03-12-2015, 01:20 AM
Difficult to tell size from an image, but I think its slightly smaller than the Q7.

IcedG35
03-12-2015, 06:53 AM
Difficult to tell size from an image, but I think its slightly smaller than the Q7.

It should be smaller, I assume with the same wheelbase as a cayenne, as it likely won't be a 3 row SUV.

mick78
03-12-2015, 08:06 AM
Difficult to tell size from an image, but I think its slightly smaller than the Q7.

It should be smaller, I assume with the same wheelbase as a cayenne, as it likely won't be a 3 row SUV.

I'd say it's a safe bet it shares most dimensions with the new, slightly smaller Q7. Actually, it looks so close, I wouldn't be surprised if it shared under sheet metal body structures as well.....

disap.ed
03-12-2015, 11:14 AM
I'd say it's a safe bet it shares most dimensions with the new, slightly smaller Q7. Actually, it looks so close, I wouldn't be surprised if it shared under sheet metal body structures as well.....

I'd dare to say you are right:

http://i.imgur.com/WBAlghR.jpg

IcedG35
03-12-2015, 03:47 PM
I'd say it's a safe bet it shares most dimensions with the new, slightly smaller Q7. Actually, it looks so close, I wouldn't be surprised if it shared under sheet metal body structures as well.....

think you're right actually. looks to even share most of the greenhouse. didn't realize the new Q7 was smaller. the camo'd car kind of looks like a FWD chinese copy of what should be a RWD bentley SUV.

cuisine
05-09-2015, 06:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwyvER4tArE

swizzle
05-09-2015, 06:48 PM
I would have liked to have seen VWAG do an all-new, carbon fiber/aluminum-intensive, platform that could be used as the Lamborghini Urus, the next Porsche Cayenne, and a Porsche "X6".

Even if they lost money on the Bentley it would have been worth it by the time it trickled down to Porsche.

exl500
05-09-2015, 06:52 PM
I don't see why anyone would buy this over the Range Rover. Anyone with sense, anyway.

swizzle
05-09-2015, 08:30 PM
I don't see why anyone would buy this over the Range Rover. Anyone with sense, anyway.

Agree x10,000%

I predict the Rolls Royce SUV will be equally stupid.

Levi
05-09-2015, 10:17 PM
Well, Porsche Cayenne is almost a badge engineered VW Touareg. I expect no difference between the Bentley and the Audi.

swizzle
05-10-2015, 01:32 AM
Well, Porsche Cayenne is almost a badge engineered VW Touareg. I expect no difference between the Bentley and the Audi.

Amen, brother!

Levi
05-10-2015, 12:13 PM
I don't see why anyone would buy this over the Range Rover. Anyone with sense, anyway.

On my part I don't see why anyone would take a Range Rover over a Lancruiser.

boston
05-10-2015, 01:00 PM
I don't see why anyone would buy this over the Range Rover. Anyone with sense, anyway.

Agreed. Just because you have money, doesn't mean you have common sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBR9xBQWeS4

swizzle
05-10-2015, 02:30 PM
On my part I don't see why anyone would take a Range Rover over a Lancruiser.

Agreed. The Land Cruiser has far better durability and reliability over the improved, but still problematic Range Rover. Buy the Lexus version if you need excessive bling, but big Toyotas are formidable.

I'd prefer a Jeep Wrangler, and yeah I know it's not snootymobile like the Rangie or the Bentley Bendover.

Swallow Doretti
05-10-2015, 07:51 PM
New 6.0-L W12 TSI engine expected to power the thing:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/115050893506/volkswagen-unveils-their-new-60-liter-w12-tsi-engine

IcedG35
05-11-2015, 02:33 AM
Well, Porsche Cayenne is almost a badge engineered VW Touareg. I expect no difference between the Bentley and the Audi.

cayenne is far from a grill swap with a Touareg. they share a basic platform, sure, but have unique engines, suspension, steering, not to mention sheet metal (which is unfortunate for the Cayenne). if you look at the Q5 vs Macan, the differences are even more apparent, with one offering a transverse engine and unique transmissions. its also night and day driving them back to back (as I did with an SQ5 and a Macan S this weekend). Tahoe vs Yukon is the kind of badge engineering that wouldn't fly here. If the Bentley is done in a similar fashion as the Porsche SUVS, it will be no less successful than the Continental which was "badge engineered" from a VW.

mick78
05-11-2015, 08:14 AM
cayenne is far from a grill swap with a Touareg. they share a basic platform, sure, but have unique engines, suspension, steering, not to mention sheet metal (which is unfortunate for the Cayenne). if you look at the Q5 vs Macan, the differences are even more apparent, with one offering a transverse engine and unique transmissions. its also night and day driving them back to back (as I did with an SQ5 and a Macan S this weekend). Tahoe vs Yukon is the kind of badge engineering that wouldn't fly here. If the Bentley is done in a similar fashion as the Porsche SUVS, it will be no less successful than the Continental which was "badge engineered" from a VW.

The Cayenne and Toaureg share front doors, and windscreen, so there are a few body parts shared.

The Q5 and Macan differentiation makes no sense at all, they took an aging platform and then basically modified everything. Co-developing the next gen Q5 and having the platform under the Porsche first would have made way more sense....

IcedG35
05-11-2015, 02:05 PM
The Cayenne and Toaureg share front doors, and windscreen, so there are a few body parts shared.

The Q5 and Macan differentiation makes no sense at all, they took an aging platform and then basically modified everything. Co-developing the next gen Q5 and having the platform under the Porsche first would have made way more sense....

Front doors and a windscreen.... C'mon!! Go test drive a macan and then tell me it doesnt make sense.

Vantage
05-19-2015, 03:03 AM
Bentley Bentayga spied virtually undisguised:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/115051893975/bentley-bentayga-spied-virtually-undisguised

boston
05-19-2015, 04:19 AM
Range Rover has nothing to fear from this badge engineered VW er Audi....er......whatever

swizzle
05-19-2015, 04:52 AM
Range Rover has nothing to fear from this badge engineered VW er Audi....er......whatever

Agree! LAZY effort.

This needed to be a bespoke, aluminum and carbon fiber platform that would shed the excessive weight of the Cayenne/Q7/Toefungus and be a replacement underpinningfor the next Cayenne and the Lamborghini Urus.

The next Q7 could have been pulled off the VW Sharquinth'ia (or whatever the CrossBlue will be called).

Lexus does quite well pulling the RX off the "Camry" and yes I know that's simplistic.

The Bentley Bengay will be a dud.

Nicktyelor
05-19-2015, 05:14 AM
Hate it. Despite the huge negative reactions, I loved the exp 9f concept from a couple years ago. It was unmistakably a Bentley. Brash and chrome-tastic in places, but stately. The worst aspect of this new one is the profile. the exp 9 f was very flat/leveled off to give it a Range Rover-esque stance. This is leaning more towards awkward Cayenne territory.

This is bad:
http://content.worldcarfans.co/2015/5/18/large/85444027899392859.jpg

MUCH better:
http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/bentley-exp-9-f-suv-6.jpg

IcedG35
05-20-2015, 10:40 AM
Looks like a Subaru on steroids. That is one horribly disguised FWD platform. You can pull it off on a macan sized vehicle but not something this large. A8 suffers from same problem whereas A4 looks decently proportioned. It will be a sales success regardless.

mick78
05-26-2015, 07:44 AM
Front doors and a windscreen.... C'mon!! Go test drive a macan and then tell me it doesnt make sense.

Well, given mechanics are identical mostly (Toaureg and Cayenne), sharing even exterior parts at that price is a bit lame.

The Q5 / Macan make no sense in terms of they could have either made the Porsche a clean sheet design (given the changes to the Q5 platform), or co-develop the nest gen Q5 and let it benefit form the changes. Teh way it was made, makes only sense in the VAG way of looking at things.

looking at the side view of the Bentley, you can easily tell that the bespoke roof line of the concept is gone (unfortunately, the horrid detailing up fornt and at the back remain), the doors are clearly carry over form the Q7 with different sheet metal, and so seems the general structure of the green house. Unlike the concpet, which, though outstandingly ugly, had a bespoke body, this is just a reskin of a boring Audi with nouveau riche detailing. At least it will be the most expensive SUV, as Bentley claims, so at least one outstanding feature....

cuisine
07-09-2015, 07:44 AM
https://twitter.com/Braman_Bentley/status/618455396173221888

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJUx56TUMAANGM2.jpg

https://instagram.com/p/43kdxQgGe0/

https://igcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/11375735_645279785607789_683641632_n.jpg

cuisine
07-24-2015, 01:48 PM
http://www.worldcarfans.com/115072497012/bentley-bentayga-private-reveal-today-in-germany-full

http://content.worldcarfans.co/2015/7/24/big/241026079709820932.jpg

swizzle
07-24-2015, 01:54 PM
LOL sell all that on eBay while they still have value. Enjoy the reveal.

Ascariss
07-24-2015, 01:58 PM
Ok that is a stupid name for the suv, no idea why I didn't notice the name on the clock before.

swizzle
07-24-2015, 03:16 PM
Ok that is a stupid name for the suv, no idea why I didn't notice the name on the clock before.

Agreed. The name should have been something British sounding. Bentayga sounds like some mysterious drug in those insufferable TV ads.

Levi
07-24-2015, 04:56 PM
This car will steal much of the sales from BMW X5 M, Mercedes ML AMG, Mercedes GL AMG, Mercedes G AMG, Range Rover, Porsche Cayenne Turbo S, Bentley Flying Spur, Mercedes S Class, and maybe even Rolls Royce Ghost.

boston
07-24-2015, 05:02 PM
Range Rover has nothing to fear from this badge engineered VW er Audi....er......whatever

Something tells me that this vehicle is the brainchild of Ferdinand Piech. Whose departure came too late in the development cycle to cancel it.

Like the Phaeton, this is destined for phailure.

swizzle
07-24-2015, 05:05 PM
This car will steal much of the sales from BMW X5 M, Mercedes ML AMG, Mercedes GL AMG, Mercedes G AMG, Range Rover, Porsche Cayenne Turbo S, Bentley Flying Spur, Mercedes S Class, and maybe even Rolls Royce Ghost.

When it first comes out, I predict you will be right...for a while.

Levi
07-24-2015, 10:07 PM
The Range Rover is less reliable and technically more outdated than an Alfa Romeo, yet people buy because of badge. The Bentley will simply steal all the market, until Lamborghini and BMW and Rolls Royce come with their luxury SUV. And for Range Rover off-road capability, while better than any SUV, it does not come close to Toyota LC/Lexus LX or Mercedes G Class. Range Rover is dead.

swizzle
07-24-2015, 10:20 PM
Hyperbole aside, the Bentley will not "steal all the market" it will be the flavor of the moment, but the Bentley Bentoosha's reign suffers real challenges long term.

With Rolls Royce also planning to weigh in with what appears a virtually bespoke platform, the minute that shows up, there will be an inevitable flavor of the moment that will suck sales away from Bentley.

This reskinned Audi may be a great vehicle, but I suspect the stalwart--the Range Rover--will have no problem pushing back.

Levi
07-24-2015, 10:40 PM
Hyperbole aside, the Bentley will not "steal all the market" it will be the flavor of the moment, but the Bentley Bentoosha's reign suffers real challenges long term.

With Rolls Royce also planning to weigh in with what appears a virtually bespoke platform, the minute that shows up, there will be an inevitable flavor of the moment that will suck sales away from Bentley.

This reskinned Audi may be a great vehicle, but I suspect the stalwart--the Range Rover--will have no problem pushing back.

Albeit ugly and boring, the Q7 is, technically speaking, the best SUV out there. So that goes for the Bentley too, it will just add luxury. The next generation Cayenne will add sportiness. While it is true Rolls Royce does not rebadge BMWs, that is somewhat understandable given the price difference, the Rolls Royce SUV will be based on the X7, just as the next Ghost will be based on the current 7 Series. As for Mercedes, the GLS will not be competitive in the luxury SUV segment until the next generation, that is about 4 years away.

Bentley SUV is like Porsche Macan, a money printing machine. Whether I like these cars is another thing (but obviously I don't, yet can't prevent them selling).

Ascariss
08-12-2015, 09:48 AM
Was the die cast model posted?

http://www.worldcarfans.com/115081297702/bentley-bentayga-allegedly-leaks-out-in-official-diecast

IcedG35
08-12-2015, 02:56 PM
looks like a big Continental as expected. will be a sales success. I assume nearly every sale will be at the expense of a high end Range Rover, although it's likely still a small enough volume not to matter.

boston
08-12-2015, 04:05 PM
They build the bodies in Slovakia then ship them to Crewe for final assembly. Thats a very expensive damage producing way to build cars.

Wonder how much money the UK Government pushed at VW to make them do final assembly a Crewe.

Ascariss
08-12-2015, 05:28 PM
They build the bodies in Slovakia then ship them to Crewe for final assembly. Thats a very expensive damage producing way to build cars.

Wonder how much money the UK Government pushed at VW to make them do final assembly a Crewe.

I feel there was no possibility to even do full production at Crewe, either no space or the tooling was not available. To build a new line or tooling especially for the SUV probably was not cost effective. The factory at Bratislava builds the Q7, Cayenne and Touareg, so it make sense to have the Bentley built partly there as well, since they share the same platform as the new Q7.

I do wonder how much of the actual car will be pre-built in Slovakia before shipping to Crewe.

Btw found the explanation for the odd name.

name was inspired by the Canary Islands Roque Bentayga rocky outcrop as well as the wild Taiga forests of the north

swizzle
08-12-2015, 07:12 PM
If the die cast model is accurate, the Bentley Bentiguan has perfect styling for a $50K near-premium crossover. I hope the real thing is a lot more compelling, because the die cast model looks like it could be a 10 year old vehicle. It's not ugly, but it's not special.

disap.ed
08-12-2015, 09:11 PM
Was the die cast model posted?

http://www.worldcarfans.com/115081297702/bentley-bentayga-allegedly-leaks-out-in-official-diecast

It's not ugly, which is quite a step-up from the concept (or say the concept's front).
Nothing special either, but I am sure at least the interieur will be absolutely Bentley worthy.

swizzle
08-12-2015, 11:52 PM
It's not ugly, which is quite a step-up from the concept (or say the concept's front).
Nothing special either, but I am sure at least the interieur will be absolutely Bentley worthy.

How much is this going to cost? Is it sub-Continental/Flying Spur, equal to them, or above?

Nicktyelor
08-13-2015, 02:46 AM
Hideous. I think the concept was miles better than this. The shape and proportions of this are both bland and dated looking. Based on design alone I don't know why anyone would choose it over a Cayenne or RangeRover.

mick78
08-13-2015, 07:29 AM
If the die cast model is accurate, the Bentley Bentiguan has perfect styling for a $50K near-premium crossover. I hope the real thing is a lot more compelling, because the die cast model looks like it could be a 10 year old vehicle. It's not ugly, but it's not special.

Agreed. That does not look like anything that should battle a Range Rover

It's not ugly, which is quite a step-up from the concept (or say the concept's front).
Nothing special either, but I am sure at least the interieur will be absolutely Bentley worthy.

IMO even from the model's proprortions it's easy to tell it's a tarted up Q7, the greenhouse is identical more or less, as are windscreen and door frames minus sheet metal. Given the new Q7 isn't a beauty, I doubt this will impress me. But surely the interior will be nice, though probably nothing new, more or less a Continental dash fitted in (form the spy shots)

How much is this going to cost? Is it sub-Continental/Flying Spur, equal to them, or above?

Bentley said in a teaser, that SUVs are currently too cheap, and the Betawhatever will resolve this by being the most expensive SUV up to date (so I guess more than the top Range and GLS63AMG). So probably cheaper than a Continental, but still very big money for a Q7 with a nicer interior and 15 years old front end.