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Verdegrrl
04-11-2005, 01:13 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.rs6.com/pics/Various/S6-3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>For a bunch more pics:<p> <A HREF="http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6541" TARGET="_blank">http://www.rs6.com/forum/showt...=6541</A> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 5:45 PM 4/22/2005</i>

erzhik
04-11-2005, 05:30 PM
So is this track actually for public? Man, I need to go there

erzhik
04-11-2005, 05:32 PM
I think this is one serious competitor for M5

Verdegrrl
04-11-2005, 06:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So is this track actually for public? Man, I need to go there</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes. Spy photgraphers hang out there a lot. That's why the cars are usually incognito as much as possible.

Hornbag
04-12-2005, 01:22 AM
I like the blue colour! But other than that, there isnt much to show (looks wise), but still a great find! what we needs is a soundtrack of it! LOL

5.9LITRE
04-12-2005, 06:34 AM
wait isn't the RS6 the M5 competitor? i thought the S6=545isport and the RS6=M5 but then again the S4=M3 (but that may change since the RS4 is coming to US now)

erzhik
04-12-2005, 06:45 AM
RS6 is an M5 competitor, sorry.. made a mistake earlier...

T.B.
04-12-2005, 06:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RS6 is an M5 competitor, sorry.. made a mistake earlier... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, S6 will be a competitor of M5 in P400 mode, and RS6 a P500 mode M5 competitor. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><I>"Power button activates engine characteristics on demand. <br>The driver often does not need the M5s full performance and maximum agility, for example in city traffic. This is why the markedly comfortable P400 performance program with an engine output of 400 bhp is automatically activated whenever the engine is started. At the push of a button (the so-called Power button on the selector lever cover), the ten-cylinder powerplants full power (500 bhp) is at the drivers disposal. The accelerator pedal kinematics adopt spontaneous characteristics, giving free rein, in the P500 program, to the sporty driver and eliciting, in the P500 sport program, uncompromising racing pleasure."</I><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/NewsID/2040702.007/bmw/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/n....html</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 4:25 PM 4/12/2005</i>

erzhik
04-12-2005, 06:54 AM
argghh...very confused. <br>

Verdegrrl
04-12-2005, 11:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>5.9LITRE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wait isn't the RS6 the M5 competitor? i thought the S6=545isport and the RS6=M5 but then again the S4=M3 (but that may change since the RS4 is coming to US now)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, the RS6 program is being reviewed at this time. The S6 will compete with the M5 - and possibly arrive around the same time, since BMW can't make the SMG reliable enough in day to day use as of yet. The manual M5 is coming, but it can't produce the same performance numbers as the SMG cars. Thing is that BMW published those performance numbers and let journalists test the cars, so now they can't go back on SMG or the extra 100hp button.<p>What is undecided about the RS6 is whether to use some version of the V10 or to use a turbo FSI V8. Marketing wants the V10 for bragging rights, but QTR GmbH wants the V8.<p>The S4 was good enough to compete with the E46 M3, but Audi knew the E90 M3 would require more firepower, which is why we got the RS4. Actually, it's all a stopgap since the next gen all new A4 and A6 chassis will see some massive changes to layout and basic chassis engineering. Engines placed further rearward, lighter cars, Torsen3 with variable torque split front to rear, etc.

Seller Automotive
04-12-2005, 12:12 PM
About the RS6, S6, and M5 and how they compete..<p>Basically the S6 will be a BARGAIN competitor of the M5.. sure the M5 will be faster, but it will also cost a LOT more.. probably $20,000 more.<p>The RS6 will be the true M5 Competitor based on Price and Performance.<p>So the S6 is a way for people who cant get/afford the M5 or RS6 to still have a performance version of a very popular larger Luxury Sedan...<p>Also keep in mind Audi is starting its own little segment ever since RS cars started their way over to the US.. BMW nor Mercedes have cars "Just Below" their M / AMG cars.<p>BMW:<br>545i &lt; M5<br>Mercedes<br>E500 &lt; E55<p>AUDI:<br>A6 V8 &lt; S6 &lt;RS6<p>Audi has a nice niche market that has always brought them extra sales.. And now with the RS Cars standing out as the True performance models.. Audi will now have the S Models rolling out the door to people who dont want just a 545 or E500.. but still want something special, rare, sporty... The AUDI S6.<p>

Kemble
04-22-2005, 02:40 PM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6050420.001/6050420.001.1L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A><p>Article:<p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050420.001" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...0.001</A><p>Looks great.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 8:35 PM 4/22/2005</i>

JBlair
04-22-2005, 03:36 PM
Looks almost as if there is a big V10 weighing down the front *wink*wink*

Comrade
04-22-2005, 10:42 PM
How sure are you? Do you have any sources? I'm just curious cuz...<p>The 545 has 360 hp, better torque and substantially less weight than the A6 4.2 model. The S6 might be lighter than the A6 4.2 model, and if so, then only slightly. More extreme weight reductions will probably be used in the RS cars like we've seen in the RS4. I doubt the S6 would be faster than the 545 with that engine, which produces around 380-400(as you say) and only 317 lbs/ft of torque.<br>I think a V10 that revs to about 6500-7000 rpm would suit better... and then add FSI for the RS6. <br>

bastis
04-23-2005, 04:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So is this track actually for public?</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Yes, it is for public.<p>One round with your own car costs 15 Euros:<p><A HREF="http://213.239.207.198/nuerburgring.de/index.php?id=275&L=1" TARGET="_blank">http://213.239.207.198/nuerbur...5&L=1</A><p>

Seller Automotive
04-23-2005, 03:04 PM
Considering there wont be an "RS8".. the S8 is rumored to get the new 5.2-5.5 V10 with 480-530hp.<p>That leaves a TON of room between the upcomming RS6 and the car we are discussing right now.. the S6.<p>The RS6 gets a more poweful S8 Engine... we're talking ATLEAST 500hp... probably closer to 530-550.<p>And we havent even BEGUN to discuss the possibility of the next RS6 getting a Twin Turbo version of hte V10.<p>If the RS6 has 550hp (CLS63 will have around the same power, Twin Turbo 6.3 V8).. I could EASILY expect the S6 to have atleast 450hp, from a Detuned S8 V10.

Comrade
04-23-2005, 09:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Comrade.. to begin, the 545 has 325hp.... Maybe the future 550 with its 362hp and 361lb/ft of torque will be faster. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by 7 speed SMG at 4:16 PM 4/23/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry, that's what I actually meant. I was saying one thing and thinking of another <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> . By the time the S6 is avilable, the 545 will be rebadged to 550 and that's why I didn't mean to compare the the 545 at all.<p>Anyway, for all those reasons why a 550 would be a better performer, I think the S6 deserves more torque than 317 lbs/ft in order to be better than the BMW 550. There's a small chance that Audi will put a turbo in an S car or have an engine with a high reving rate as the RS4. I'd put my money on a V10. I know 10 cylinders sounds like a lot, but its compartment only slightly bigger than 550's V8. <br>I hope it gets the DSG, cuz they only used it on lighter cars(TT and A3).

Seller Automotive
04-24-2005, 09:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually that's not really accurate.. the new 63 AMG won't be bi-turbo... it will be N/A. The larger displacement is exactly to mantain the power at around 500hp... its easy to see that when you put the 5.4 kompressor that has 500hp in SL, S and CL and 476hp in the E, against the future 6.3L. If it were bi-turbo, this engine would have more than 600hp!! Considering it has a larger displacement, it has two turbos not one kompressor, and it has more tecnology. I agree with you when you say that the future RS6 will have around 500hp, even 550, but the new S6 won't have more than the current 4.2l FSI in the RS4, and thats 420hp. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The 2007 Mercedes S63 has been long rumored to use a Twin Turbo 6.3 V8 with 550-600hp.<p>That same engine (TT V8), with different power figures is rumored to be used in the CLS63, E63, CL63, and SL63.<p>The NA 6.3 will go in the CLK, SLK, and C.<p><br>-Mercedes has only said they will stop using "Superchargers"... They've never said anything about stopping "Forced Induction".. Expect the Twin Turbo 6.3 in the S63.. as for the lower cars.. still just speculation.<p><br>-Also, the S6 CANT use the RS4's engine.. it has NO Torque... The S6 needs Torque way more than it needs HP.. Thats why it will use a Detuned version of the S8's V10.. Less HP, but will pick up better Torque Response. The A6 4.2 is already $60k LOADED... The S6 will be atleast $75k (RS6 closer to $100k by the time it comes out).. You cant have a $75k S6 use an "existing" V8.. Its needs to be unique, set itself apart, if it wants to Sell.. in comes the V10<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 9:21 AM 4/24/2005</i>

Comrade
04-24-2005, 09:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>The NA 6.3 will go in the (...) C.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is INSANE!!! MB needs to behave itself.

Seller Automotive
04-24-2005, 05:25 PM
Actually we have a member on this site that DOES know the S8 will use a V10.<p>Verdegrrl. Ask her.. she has contacts at Audi.<p><br>Its a whole new ballgame over at Audi.. You cant look to the past to try and understand the future.. they are a new company, with HUGE aspirations in the VERY near future to become the GLOBAL LEADERS of the German Car Brands.

Verdegrrl
04-24-2005, 06:01 PM
Internal sources confirm the V10 for both the S6 and S8. The engine is loosely based on the Gallardo engine, but substantially different as the Gallardo engine is too large to fit into the engine bays of those cars. <p>Final decisions are being made as to whether the RS6 will use a turbo V8 or FSI V10. Power output of around 550hp is expected in either case.<p>DSG may become an option on all the S and RS models, but initial plans are to offer them in Tiptronic only.

Verdegrrl
04-24-2005, 07:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Triptronic?! That sucks. they could offer a manual... even the DSG... I have read at <A HREF="http://www.rs6.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.rs6.com</A> that the V10 is too lenghty to fit in the engine bay of the A6, and that there are indicators that it will be a twin turbo V8 FSI. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>They don't have a manual that works with that engine. Read reviews of the latest Bentleys and the A8 for an idea of how well this tranmission works (or doesn't work, depending on your point of view). <p>The V10 is too long to fit in the regular A6 chassis. The S6 has a different front clip (slightly wider and longer) along with a different firewall and floorpan to fit the engine and the AL600 transmission from the W12 A8. The engine is more compact than the Gallardo engine.<p>The more powerful and heavy a car, the harder it is on the transmission. AWD adds to that stress, as the clutch becomes the fuse for the entire traction system (since wheelspin cannot occur in most cases). <p>There is no point in offering a manual in the big Audis cars with DSG on the way. They would have to develop a whole new bespoke unit which would soon be obsolete. Mercedes doesn't offer a manual in any of their performance cars. With DSG, Audi will have the same or better economy than a manual, and ease of use of an automatic.<p>Case in point: BMW had no plans to offer a manual in the M5 until fans here clamored for a manual. Ironically SMG is having durability problems coping with the power of the M5, and so delivery has been delayed until Fall. Obviously manual M5s won't be as fast as SMG cars, so they are reluctant to release them first and have people post numbers that can't match the factory times. One of the primary reasons for SMG beyond better performance numbers, is fewer broken transmissions and burnt out clutches. Not only does it cost money under warranty, but also customer satisfaction goes down, even if it's the driver's fault.<p>I'm a fan of 3 pedal cars myself, but given the vast majority of buyers in this catagory would chose some form of auto, if development money is tight (which it is, along with the technical staff ), and given you have to certify each version for various markets, it's just not worth it. In the previous generation A6, Audi sold just 7% of all cars in North America as manuals, despite offering it in the affordable and sporting 2.7t. That car piggy-backed on the certification of the S4, but the new S6 and RS6 won't be sharing engines with larger volume Audis.

Seller Automotive
04-24-2005, 11:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Verdegrrl</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>They don't have a manual that works with that engine. Read reviews of the latest Bentleys and the A8 for an idea of how well this tranmission works (or doesn't work, depending on your point of view). <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Verdegrrl.. you know whats up.. I know this, you know this..<p>If the Lemans(A9) is being pre-engineered right now to house a V10 (future S/RS Version).. then clearly Audi is gonna have to figure out a way to make a Solid Manual for it. And by doing that they'll be developing a Manual that can support the power of anything in their lineup.. even the RS6. I dont think Audi would want to try out a brand new transmission for the first time in their "Extreme Supercar"(although this only matters if they DO make a V10 LeMans, which we all know they will)(obviously the RS4's V8 will be the first engine used in the LeMans, and come with its 6-speed manual tranny.)<p>Audi would be STUPID to offer the V8 LeMans with a 6-speed.. then only give the V10 LeMans an "Automatic".. theres no chance.<p><br>About "Tranny's"... you said something about the M5 and about SMG/Auto transmissions in high performance cars being better for reliability...perhaps, BUT..<p>It was a long "thought" that the 360 Modena with the F1 tranny was better for "Clutch Wear".. but that soon became false when dealers/customers/Italy were figuring out that the 6-Speeds clutches were LONG outlasting the F1-Tranny's Clutch.. so nothing is a "guarantee" with trick DSG/SMG/Automatic technology in high power, fast action clutches.<p><br>Speaking of a Manual and the V10... is it really IMPOSSIBLE? for Audi to develop a Mass Volume 6-speed based off the Gallardo? Might be a dumb question for the Sedans... but I assume thats the Tranny going in the future V10 LeMans.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 11:57 PM 4/24/2005</i>

Seller Automotive
04-24-2005, 11:59 PM
Mercedes E55... "automatic"<br>Mercedes CLS55... "automatic<br>Audi RS6... "automatic"<p>BMW M5... "6-speed"(Thank you BMW North America)<p>and THATS why I am buying an M5. (that and because resale values will be CRRRAAAAZY high.)

knicks125
04-25-2005, 08:52 AM
TCC link:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_06_Audi_S6.S178.A8506.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A>

Verdegrrl
04-25-2005, 03:19 PM
The Q9/LeMans is further down the road than the S6. The Gallardo engine/trans is too different to work in either Audi chassis. It's basically a clean sheet design with some carry over for ease of manufacture. Whether it makes sense to design a besoke transmission for a very low volume car like the V10 Q9 is bound to be, is not clear - remember the engine is in the rear and so designing something that works in the front engines S6 or RS6 may be totally different. <p>I don't think BMW has built a manual trans for street cars with this much power. I hope they will do a better job than they have with the SMG in the M5 and the engines in the soon defunct M3.<p>Even Mercedes AMG models are for the most part automatics.<p>The Ferrari F1 system is the grandaddy of modern automated gearboxes. Choice of clutch material, solonoids, line pressure, and software determines how a clutch will wear and how smoothly the system operates. The system is the better choice if you take the car to the track, with the ability to "stack" shifts prior to entering a corner. The ability to shift so quickly and with less weigh transfer during the shift, also improves stability at speed. Anybody who drives on the track will see the immediate advantage. For us civilians, I agree, a clutch is more fun, but there is no fooling the clock. SMG shifts in about .8 seconds. DSG in .008. The F1 racing cars shift in around .06. <p>The ability to destroy a sequential manual like SMG, Selespeed, DSG, F1, etc, depends entirely upon what safegaurds the manufacturer builds into the system. This is unlike a regular manual trans which allows over-revving during downshifts or missed shifts, as well as unlimited slipping.<p>It is not confirmed that the RS6 will be an FSI V10 or turbo V8. The V8 is the preferred choice of QTR GmbH (the internal skunkworks) due to the ability to move more weight rearward for a neutral weight bias. However, marketing has taken into account people who count cylinders and not the overall package, and that makes a strong argument for the V10.<p>The ZF 6 HP 26 transmission is used in the BMW 5, 6, and 7 series. Audi and Bentley use a special version designed for awd applications.<p><br> <A HREF="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3012/is_5_183/ai_101939318" TARGET="_blank">http://www.findarticles.com/p/...39318</A>

Seller Automotive
04-25-2005, 06:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">0.8 for the SMG?? i don't think so... the correct speed is 0.065 (65 milliseconds) in its fastest mode... About the choice of a twin-turbo V8 vs FSI V10 in the RS6, I actually don't get it.... Audi has long been hampered by its transmission layout, with the engine mounted ahead of the front axle, so why the hell would they put a V10 in the S6 and a V8 in the RS6, if the V8 will provide less weight, and therefore better handling??? it doesn't make any sense at all! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're talking speculation.. like verdegrrrl said.. WE DONT KNOW what engine will be in the RS6.. what we DO know is the S6 will use a V10.<p>I understand what you mean though.. and agree.. if the S6 is a V10 (which it is).. then the RS6 MUST BE a V10 also. (Lets just hope they Twin Turbo that V10 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
04-25-2005, 06:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mercedes E55... "automatic"<br>Mercedes CLS55... "automatic<br>Audi RS6... "automatic"<p>BMW M5... "6-speed"(Thank you BMW North America)<p>and THATS why I am buying an M5. (that and because resale values will be CRRRAAAAZY high.)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought RS6 has and will have a gear shifts behind the wheel just like M5.. if you are talking about 2005 M5

Seller Automotive
04-25-2005, 07:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I thought RS6 has and will have a gear shifts behind the wheel just like M5.. if you are talking about 2005 M5</TD></TR></TABLE><p>RS6 is automatic(tiptronic)<p>2006 BMW M5 will be offered in SMG and 6-speed Manual.

Roadster44
04-25-2005, 09:24 PM
I don't know if it would make sense to have a manual in S6, but in RS6 yes. But then you have to face the question of costs, I am sure that Audi would love to make everyone happy, but I understand them being reluctant to develop a new manual for a low-volume model. It seems to me that driving enthusiasts that prefer manuals either go for M3 or S4/RS4 or a true sports car with. Bigger size sports saloons are probably better off with an SMG like unit. However that is not to say that it wouldn't make sense to have a manual, like I said above its all about cost and reliability. People are very very picky about quality these days...more than ever I'd say.

Verdegrrl
04-25-2005, 09:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>RS6 is automatic(tiptronic)<p>2006 BMW M5 will be offered in SMG and 6-speed Manual.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The S6 will be offered in Tiptronic and eventually DSG. The RS6 is undecided. Which engine they use will to a large degree determine that. The turbo V8 will give them room to use a manual. If they offer and FSI version of the V10, that will be much more difficult. <p>Hence the problem of choosing. Bragging rights with FSI V10 but with Tiptronic, or turbo V8 with manual trans to please purists. Both pull in an equal amount of customers in the end. Got to decide which has more staying power over the long term.

Seller Automotive
04-25-2005, 10:35 PM
As long as it has an FSI V10, I guess I could deal with the RS6 being DSG... And by that I mean I would actually consider buying it.. Always gotta have a SUPER SLICK sedan in your arsenal.<p>You dont want all your cars being Manual.. so I guess I could settle with the RS6 being DSG(automatic).<p>(I still love the CLS55 over any sedan EVER.. and depending on any new RS6 developments in the next year, I see myself buying the 2007 CLS63.)<p>

Verdegrrl
06-06-2005, 06:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Humm... looks like your contacts at audi weren't that reliable were they? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> The S6 will have a 420hp (as i have predicted) detuned Lambo Gallardo engine! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your info comes form where? Link please?<p>The size of Gallardo engine means it won't fit in the S6. The S6 engine is based on ther Lambo unit, but uses different bore spacing among other things. The floorpan and firewall requires modification to make even the revised V10 fit.<p>I've indicated 420hp output on this forum since last Fall. Don't know what on earth you're talking about..... the S8 gets 450hp.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also here in Brazil, the M5's have already arrived and i don't see any S6.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But do you get manual or SMG gearboxes in South America, and what is the warranty period like? Most markets don't get such long or comprehensive warranties. In North America, there is no new M5, nor is there likely to be until late Summer. They could release the manual now, but it would be slower than the published numbers, which were generated with the SMG. Problem is that the present SMG may not be capable of staying together over the long term, and so a revised version is being created and tested. If you're getting the the new/old SMG, well, I wish you luck.

Gene
06-07-2005, 05:55 AM
If the S6 competes with the M5, its got a hell of a fight on its hands. The M5 is supposed to be pure brilliance, Autocar UK chose the M5 over a Ferrari F430 in the last issue, so thats saying something.<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocar.co.uk/noncar/autocar/cover.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Even so, there are several people that would choose the late M5 (E39) over the current RS6. My opinion, the S6 isn't for the M5. Maybe the RS6. But my opinion only.<p>There are comments that SMG3 is unreliable. I haven't read anywhere about that? and i check M5board everyday. But even so I think its fair to say every car maker has their share of problems... BMW and Audi included. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gene at 2:01 PM 6/7/2005</i>

erzhik
06-07-2005, 06:22 AM
S6 isa little less powerful than M5. but RS6 will get a 550 bhp engine which means RS6 is faster and more powerful..again

hippoSV
06-07-2005, 08:49 AM
whoa!easy guys,verdergurl is doing us a favour relaying this info!<br>i was told that both s6 n rs6 will use v10s.<br>s6 a 5.0l v10 444ps,rs6 a 5.2l fsi v10 530-550ps.<br>just the kind of gap u get between the s4 n rs4(b7).

Comrade
06-07-2005, 09:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gene</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the S6 competes with the M5, its got a hell of a fight on its hands. The M5 is supposed to be pure brilliance, Autocar UK chose the M5 over a Ferrari F430 in the last issue, so thats saying something.<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocar.co.uk/noncar/autocar/cover.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Even so, there are several people that would choose the late M5 (E39) over the current RS6. My opinion, the S6 isn't for the M5. Maybe the RS6. But my opinion only.<p>There are comments that SMG3 is unreliable. I haven't read anywhere about that? and i check M5board everyday. But even so I think its fair to say every car maker has their share of problems... BMW and Audi included. <p><br><i>Modified by Gene at 2:01 PM 6/7/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><br>I really wanna know how a BMW sedan beat a Ferrari... it's THAT good? Is AUTOCAR available in the US?

Comrade
06-07-2005, 10:51 AM
The 4.2 FSI has 15 more lbs/ft of torque than the regular one thats in the S4. With 200cc more compartment, I think we can expect about 30lbs/ft and of course it will have a better curve meaning the max torque will kick in at aabout 1,000 lower number of RPMs. Also the RS6 has AWD which definitely gets it better off the line. I also expect a gain in less weight over the S6 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> And if the RS6 gets DSG, then the /////////M5 is screwed.

JBlair
06-07-2005, 11:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <p> I also think that the RS6 will be ligther than the S6 but it won't have DSG, thats because DSG is too WEAK to handle all that power... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And yet it is able to cope with a 1001 hp Bugatti W16. Your logic amuses me..........

JBlair
06-07-2005, 12:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> OOPS... haha now you got me.. I don't know where i have read that... But anyway, Audi HAS NO PLANS TO OFFER ANY GEARBOX EXCEPT FOR THE TIPTRONIC in these cars so... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> for the RS6</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ehm, I would be inclined to believe you based on Audi's past, but the new RS4 would seem to discredit that. Also, the new A9/R9 will be using a V10 based off the Gallardo's (it may even be the same as the S6's), that will most likely utilize a manual transmission. Transmissions, especially for V10s, are not by any means cheap and Audi would most likely want to spread the use of it out so as to amortize the development costs.

Verdegrrl
06-07-2005, 10:05 PM
The S6 will be offered in Tiptronic only at this time, since there is no tranny ready for launch in '06 for a front engine awd car with this much torque. DSG may come later, and is most certainly on the plate for the 550hp RS6. The S6 transmission is the ZF AL series unit found in the Bentley Coupe.<p>The Q9 uses a version of engine and transmission much like the Gallardo, but given the difference in orientation, packaging, and the engine itself, that manual won't readily work in the S6/RS6.<p>Given the M5 has a short stroke eninge and makes it's torque on the higher rev range (note there isn't really any more torque than the old V8 M5) and must relie on traction control to help 2wd in all but ideal conditions, the S6 will probably be a match under all but perfect test conditions. <p>Expect more torque and at lower rpms in the Audis. However, gearing may not be selected for drag racing from stop light to stop light. 0-100kph will be in the 5 second range.<p>Note that in the Speed Challenge series here in North America, Audi's RS6 has been pretty much all conquering, even over the smaller and lighter M3s. BMW has not fielded and M5.... wonder why? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>_____________________________<p>Here is something to think about:<p>Theory: All things being equal, a RWD car out-handles a four wheel drive car.<p>Test: Take two RS6s, identical in every way. Uncouple the front drive shafts on one of them. Which one will handle better on a dry track? Easy, the AWD RS6.<p>Protest: But the RWD RS6 does not have the 50/50 balance that a RWD car should have!<p>Response: Then the advantage is weight balance, and not whether the car is RWD or AWD. Nobody would disagree that a balanced car is faster. Winner is still AWD.<p>Protest: But the RWD RS6 is carrying around excess weight that it's not using!<p>Response: Then the disadvantage is weight, not whether the car is AWD or RWD. Nobody would disagree that a lighter car is faster. Winner is still AWD.<p>How can ADDING drive wheels itself do anything but make the car faster? Accelerating and coming out of turns, there is a clear advantage -- or anywhere else where traction is limited<br>_____________________________________________<p>In North America, BMWs come with a 4 year 50,000 mile warranty. Apparently the SMG box may not hold up to abuse that long if the higher power engine setting and aggressive shift program is used a lot, and the car is driven hard. So the launch of the M5 here won't be far ahead of the S6 in '06.<p>My info comes from people who actually work with the cars, not car magazines. Projects may change in the 11th hour, but overall it's pretty reliable.

AM2
06-07-2005, 11:10 PM
So basically, what made the 2004 340bhp Audi S4 go slower than the 333bhp BMW M3 SMG?<br>December 2003 Road&Track Comparisson test.<br><B>2004 BMW M3 SMG</B><br>0-60 mph 5.0 sec<br>Slalom 68.3 mph<br>Skidpad 87 g<p><B>2004 Audi S4</B><br>0-60 mph 5.4 sec<br>Slalom 65.8 mph<br>Skidpad 86 g<p>Added weight of the Quattro system?

Gene
06-08-2005, 03:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Verdegrrl</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The S6 will be offered in Tiptronic only at this time, since there is no tranny ready for launch in '06 for a front engine awd car with this much torque. DSG may come later, and is most certainly on the plate for the 550hp RS6. The S6 transmission is the ZF AL series unit found in the Bentley Coupe.<p>The Q9 uses a version of engine and transmission much like the Gallardo, but given the difference in orientation, packaging, and the engine itself, that manual won't readily work in the S6/RS6.<p>Given the M5 has a short stroke eninge and makes it's torque on the higher rev range (note there isn't really any more torque than the old V8 M5) and must relie on traction control to help 2wd in all but ideal conditions, the S6 will probably be a match under all but perfect test conditions. <p>Expect more torque and at lower rpms in the Audis. However, gearing may not be selected for drag racing from stop light to stop light. 0-100kph will be in the 5 second range.<p>Note that in the Speed Challenge series here in North America, Audi's RS6 has been pretty much all conquering, even over the smaller and lighter M3s. BMW has not fielded and M5.... wonder why? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>_____________________________<p>Here is something to think about:<p>Theory: All things being equal, a RWD car out-handles a four wheel drive car.<p>Test: Take two RS6s, identical in every way. Uncouple the front drive shafts on one of them. Which one will handle better on a dry track? Easy, the AWD RS6.<p>Protest: But the RWD RS6 does not have the 50/50 balance that a RWD car should have!<p>Response: Then the advantage is weight balance, and not whether the car is RWD or AWD. Nobody would disagree that a balanced car is faster. Winner is still AWD.<p>Protest: But the RWD RS6 is carrying around excess weight that it's not using!<p>Response: Then the disadvantage is weight, not whether the car is AWD or RWD. Nobody would disagree that a lighter car is faster. Winner is still AWD.<p>How can ADDING drive wheels itself do anything but make the car faster? Accelerating and coming out of turns, there is a clear advantage -- or anywhere else where traction is limited<br>_____________________________________________<p>In North America, BMWs come with a 4 year 50,000 mile warranty. Apparently the SMG box may not hold up to abuse that long if the higher power engine setting and aggressive shift program is used a lot, and the car is driven hard. So the launch of the M5 here won't be far ahead of the S6 in '06.<p>My info comes from people who actually work with the cars, not car magazines. Projects may change in the 11th hour, but overall it's pretty reliable.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Honestly I do not understand your logic, its well known that RWD cars have a more sporty feel than AWD and in dry conditions the RWD will most probably beat the AWD. Only in the wet will the AWD most probably beat a RWD all things equal.<p>Please refer to here:<br><A HREF="http://germancarfans.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=15102&postid=229164" TARGET="_blank">http://germancarfans.zeroforum...29164</A> <p>and here<p><A HREF="http://steerbythrottle.dancingcranes.com/hccyong/cars/AWD_RWD_FWD" TARGET="_blank">http://steerbythrottle.dancing...D_FWD</A>/<p>Next in terms of the speed challenge. I can easily say "Note that in the F1 series here on Earth, BMWs engine has been one of the best out of all the engines. Audi has not fielded an engine before.... wonder why? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">". But I won't say that because I don't believe it. To me its simple, the company (BMW or Audi) don't want to field it for various different reasons... it doesn't mean that the company isn't up to the challenge.<p>Undoubtedly your insider information is great (which i thank you for), but we're being a bit biased here, and jumping the gun a bit by saying the S6 will outgun the M5, especially given the reviews for the m5. Furthermore, we're talking about a car (the S6) that is still in the works (and hasn't even been finalized... you said it yourself saying things change at the 11th hour), and a car (the new m5) has gotten rave reviews from the press which probably are our best bet in terms of what the car is like. Until you can say you have driven both cars, its a bit unfair to make comments isn't it? Unless we're doing the whole marketing/avid fan crap... "my car is better than urs because its an Audi".<p>Next, I have read nothing about the transmission not being able to handle the power, from owners on the M5board, or in magazines. I doubt don't you when you say you ask people who actually work on cars about these things, but what would they know about the new M5's transmission? the car hasn't even reached the states yet and unless they are BMW engineers they probably won't have even touched the car. Besides, regardless of how much experience they have, "I think that..." is very different to "It is for sure...".<p>In the end i'm sure the S6 (when/if it comes) will be fabulous, I just don't think it will be a direct competitor to the M5. It hasn't been so in the past, so why would it now? My reason is that achieving the levels of performance of the M5 takes money, and lots of it. That money would need to be put forward to the cost of the S6, so buyers would pay the price. But then why would Audi alienate potential buyers of the S6 by boosting up the price? <p>Of course I could be wrong, if Audi manage to produce a car priced much lower than the M5 with the same performance, i congratulate them, but i'll have to wait to see it to believe it. Like i said in my last post, the RS6 is for the M5.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Gene at 11:43 AM 6/8/2005</i>

JBlair
06-08-2005, 04:35 PM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <p>Well as i said before here in Brazil (and not only in here, in Europe also) we already have the M5 and still no sign of the S6, (and that's likely to continue for a while...) SO STOP saying that they will arrive in the same time. If the S6 performance number from 0-60 will be in the 5's, that aint impressing since i have already seen the 545 doing in 5.3 sec. <B>That means that the S6 will be more of a competitor to the new 550 than to the M5. </B> <p>RWD cars are faster on dry surfaces, slower on wet, but inside the corner it isn't that simple, it depend's on how much the car weights (Audi weights more). How this weight is distributed in the car (BMW is UNBEATABLE). The suspension (BMW's better) chassis and other things... Both audi's will get 6 speed auto not 7 SMG, so the only condition the M5 it will probably be slower is in the WET. And that's it. <p><br>Haha you make wanna <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p> <br>WRONG. The new M5 is torquier than the old one, only by a bit, but it is. And it has 7 gears that chages fast like hell that compensates the less torque it has over the E55 for example. As i have already said its much much faster than an auto wich is the future gearbox audi is going to use in the S6/RS6. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Uhm....Soapboxes anyone? I think its a bit premature for anybody to comparing these two when next to nothing is known about the S6. How about we all step back, take a breather and stop wasting space with this argument?

Verdegrrl
06-08-2005, 10:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gene</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly I do not understand your logic, its well known that RWD cars have a more sporty feel than AWD and in dry conditions the RWD will most probably beat the AWD. Only in the wet will the AWD most probably beat a RWD all things equal.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If AWD were not the fastest way around a track, it wouldn't be banned from so many venues of racing. That said, feedback from a RWD setup is more fun. Even Audi has acknowledged this by using the new Torsen 3 system with 40/60 power distribution under normal driving.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gene</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Next in terms of the speed challenge. I can easily say "Note that in the F1 series here on Earth, BMWs engine has been one of the best out of all the engines. Audi has not fielded an engine before.... wonder why? ". But I won't say that because I don't believe it. To me its simple, the company (BMW or Audi) don't want to field it for various different reasons... it doesn't mean that the company isn't up to the challenge.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>BMW does run in the Speed Challenge, but using the M3. Since we're talking about the M5, I'm simply pointing out they don't run an M5, but Audi has run the RS6 to good effect. (of course in the high dollar ring we have LeMans, in which Audi has dominated - not just participated - for a number of seasons as well) Just saying that although BMW makes great engines, we can't automatically assume they are superior to Audi.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gene</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but we're being a bit biased here, and jumping the gun a bit by saying the S6 will outgun the M5, especially given the reviews for the m5.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I did not say the S6 will outgun the M5, but rather say on real world roads, with real world weather, and most importantly, real world drivers, the S6 will be able to give the M5 a run for it's money. Beat it? Probably not unless traction is an issue.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gene</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Next, I have read nothing about the transmission not being able to handle the power, from owners on the M5board, or in magazines. I doubt don't you when you say you ask people who actually work on cars about these things, but what would they know about the new M5's transmission? the car hasn't even reached the states yet and unless they are BMW engineers they probably won't have even touched the car. Besides, regardless of how much experience they have, "I think that..." is very different to "It is for sure...".</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, the info about the transmission is very hush-hush. It's basically insider info from a certain aspect of the automotive drivetrain industry. Obviously BMW doesn't want this info to come out, with all the negative press of engines blowing up when the last M3 was launched. Thankfully they are being pro-active. Here's something to ponder: Given the press launch in North America was last Fall, isn't it odd that the car is arriving here a whole year after the local magazines have driven it? It's a lot of money to spend on generating a buzz in the press, then only to have everything fall silent for a year. In markets with shorte and/or less complete warranties, we do see the new M5. Of course the total number of cars sold is probably quite small compared to North America (which has the most complete warranty).<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gene</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In the end i'm sure the S6 (when/if it comes) will be fabulous, I just don't think it will be a direct competitor to the M5. It hasn't been so in the past, so why would it now? My reason is that achieving the levels of performance of the M5 takes money, and lots of it. That money would need to be put forward to the cost of the S6, so buyers would pay the price. But then why would Audi alienate potential buyers of the S6 by boosting up the price? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your reasoning is sound. One plus for Audi is that this engine will be used in other platforms since it's more compact than the Gallardo engine. In the end though, it is V10 for V10 with some trick technology used in each case. What is pricing on the M5? Last I heard from various BMW forums (I don't have contacts within BMWNA;-), it was going to start in the high $80K range, and top out around $100K. Given the S6 will probably undercut that number substantially, that alone will be a compelling argument for some people.<p>As for which is better - that depends on the criteria of the purchaser. Only a direct comparison by each individual who plans to purchase one or the other is really valid when it comes to deciding if one is better than another. There is no such thing as a "best" car in any catagory.<p>There was a time when BMW was the upstart - the challenger. Can Audi beat them? Maybe. Maybe not. In the meantime we all benefit from great cars from both companies.<p>___________________<p>As for 7 speed SMG, I'm going to ignore their prattling, since it's the obvious result of an insecure attention seeker who cannot think of anything intelligent to add to the conversation.<br> <p>

Soobyfreak
06-10-2005, 08:00 PM
there will not be a 7 speed smg but a 6speed. i asked a guy from audi at the NYIAS. im not sure weater to believe him though. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Comrade
06-10-2005, 11:53 PM
Audi doesn't have a 7-speed gearbox. Audi will use a 6-speed manual and 6-speed Tiptronic, as stated before and hopefully DSG which will probably also consist of 6 gears.

JBlair
06-11-2005, 02:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Audi doesn't have a 7-speed gearbox. Audi will use a 6-speed manual and 6-speed Tiptronic, as stated before and hopefully DSG which will probably also consist of 6 gears.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>VW has the 7-speed DSG currently in its final stages of development for the Veyron project.

knicks125
10-03-2005, 01:13 PM
<A HREF="http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_1707.shtml" TARGET="_blank"><B>Audi S8 and S6 Ready for Launch</B></A>

gone with the wind
10-03-2005, 04:48 PM
I think the hole S8 V10 story is bogus.<br>The audi S8 need to get the 560 hp - 650 Nm W12 Bi-turbo engine like the Bentley Continental GT.<p>wfg, Hans.

SELLER
10-03-2005, 10:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Iceman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the hole S8 V10 story is bogus.<br>The audi S8 need to get the 560 hp - 650 Nm W12 Bi-turbo engine like the Bentley Continental GT.<p>wfg, Hans.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No chance.<p>the Lambo engine is plenty good.. keep in mind the 5.0 V10 can grow to a max of 6.0 liters, and 600hp NA.<p>The original rumors of a 5.2 liter V10, with 520hp in the S8 hopefully end up being true.<p>A statement made by some Audi Execs several months ago said the new S8 would have MORE power than the new M5.

gone with the wind
10-04-2005, 05:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SELLER</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> A statement made by some Audi Execs several months ago said the new S8 would have MORE power than the new M5.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes but not from a V10 i can asure you.<br>I say W12 Bi-turbo.<p>wfg, Hans.

Comrade
10-04-2005, 05:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So it seems that Audi did with its S8 just like mercedes did to their S class. S600 and S55 AMG, Audi A8 W12 and Audi S8, almost the same straight performance (both the S600 and the W12 have a lot more torque) but different aproachs in terms of ride and handling (both S55 and S8 can go around corners faster). Although i think that the S8 should have the original lambo gallardo engine, not a detuned one...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>good obsevation. This could mean that the S8 will be cheaper than the W12 model cuz S55 is slightly cheaper than S600. The only reason ppl buy the S600 over the S55 is pretty much because the S600 has a V12. It would make sense for Audi to give the S8 a price that's below that of the A8 W12.<p>Iceman, a W12 Turbo is too much, the car would probably run 0-60 in under 4.5 seconds given the much heavier Continental GT clocks at 4.7 seconds. That would be as fast as any RS car and there won't be an RS8.

gone with the wind
10-04-2005, 06:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Iceman, a W12 Bi-turbo is too much, the car would probably run 0-60 in under 4.5 seconds given the much heavier Continental GT clocks at 4.7 seconds. That would be as fast as any RS car and there won't be an RS8.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Audi RS models are only reserve for the A4 and A6 series and "NOT" for the A8 serie.<br>There for Audi can make the new S8 as strong as they like it to be.<p>wfg, Hans.

erzhik
10-04-2005, 11:59 AM
arghh. can't wait to see some spy pics of S8

SELLER
10-04-2005, 01:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I think Audi would be quite stupid if they fit in the detuned version. The S6 is going to have 420-440hp and the S8 450hp? They should get the 520hp version and fit in the S8 and in the RS6.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly.. I believe the 450hp Gallardo V10 will be going in the S6.. nothing in that statement about the engine really said it would be the S8 engine.. all it said was the S8 is not intended to be much quicker in a straight line than the W12.. very reasonable because the W12 makes a ton more Torque than even the Gallardo.<p>I believe the S6 will have a 450hp Gallardo V10, while the RS6 will have a 550hp Gallardo V10 (no turbos potentially, the 5.0 bored out to 5.5 liters, with 550hp)<p>I also believe strongly that the S8 will have the Gallardo V10, hopefully with atleast 500hp. Keep in mind the last gen S8 cost $77k.. Hans, if they put a Bentley W12TT engine in that car, it would no doubt cost MORE than the A8 W12, $118k... there is NO CHANCE they will SHOCK the current America S8 market by telling previous clients... "Your car has gone up in price $50,000!!!".. it wont happen, they gotta keep cost down, while still keeping performance up, a Reworked Gallardo V10 is perfect.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SELLER at 1:16 PM 10/4/2005</i>

gone with the wind
10-04-2005, 02:12 PM
The Lambo V10 don't fit in either the A6 or A8 enginebay without a big redesign of the enginebay by both cars.<br>There for it will be very expensive to fit V10's in the RS6 and S8.<br>The Audi S6 will have for sure the same 4.2 V8 FSI engine like the one of the RS4.<br>The S6 will be introduced probable next month on the Tokio Motorshow.<br>Further is it not very wise to have 2 cars with almost the same HP's becorse i choose the W12 over a V10 every day of the week.<br>With a simple chip tuning the W12 have simple 476 hp and 615 Nm of torque.<br>And if you put a duo induction kit and a high performance exhaust on it, it will have 500+ hp and sound 10 times better than a V10.<br>But that's mine opinion.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.automobilindustrie.de/fachartikel/image/8247615_78e5f6fddb.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>wfg, Hans.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Iceman at 2:33 PM 10/4/2005</i>

wallabyguy
10-04-2005, 02:47 PM
Iceman is right about the S6. It will have a 4.2 FSi from the RS4. The RS6, however, will have a V10 or a very heavily modified 4.2. Possibly the same modified 4.2 going into the S8.

gone with the wind
10-04-2005, 05:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My info says the S6 will have a.....</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That info is not from Audi AG in Ingolstadt and it is bugus.<br>Mine source inside Audi AG tell me that the S6 will have a 420 hp 4.2 litre V8 FSI engine.<p>wfg, Hans.

SELLER
10-04-2005, 06:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My info says the S6 will have a 5.0 V10, 420-440hp. The RS6 will have also a V10, but with 5.2l and 523bhp. and possibly a 5.5l with 550bhp, but the first option is more likely to happen since Lambo is already testing it for a while.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My source info is very similar as well.. basically a V10 in the S6 and S8.

SELLER
10-04-2005, 06:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ehm Iceman... I have not said that the info was from Audi AG in Ingolstadt have i? So... The source of the info is from a personal friend who happens to be an Audi dealer here in Brazil. Lets wait and see if the S8 will, in fact, have the W12 from the Conti GT. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>As a further reply to ICEMAN... Audi is soaking a TON of cash into V10 development for the R9(LeMans).. i know its in conjunction with Lamborghini, but you'd think Audi would want to put that V10 block in as many Audi products as possible.. <p>From what I've been told, the "Audi" V10 will be going into the S6, RS6, S8, Q7, R9, and an eventual "S/RS" A7(coupe).<p><br>The future RS6 is a very limited vehicle.. probably only 1, maybe 2 years worth of production.. If Audi wants a vehicle SOMETHING like the M5(built for several model years), they need to put a LOT more in the next S6 than just a V8.<p>Even if the S6 and RS6 are similar(which they wont be), the RS6 still will be very limited, and have a lot more expensive Parts/Manufacturing(wide body) going into it.<p>RS6 will be great for "Image".. but the S6 needs to be VERY Strong for "Sales", therefor, a V10 is VERY justifiable

gone with the wind
10-05-2005, 02:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SELLER</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> As a further reply to ICEMAN... Audi is soaking a TON of cash into V10 development for the R9(LeMans).. i know its in conjunction with Lamborghini, but you'd think Audi would want to put that V10 block in as many Audi products as possible.. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>For the R8 there is not a dicision made by Audi about the engine it will get.<br>Audi CEO Dr Martin Winterkorn have a preference for the W12 engine to put in the R8.<br>And V10 engines in Audi's make no sence what so ever becorse they hang to far over the front axel like the old 5 cylinder engine did and that is why there are no 5 cylinder engines enymore in Audi's now a days but shorter V6 and V8 engines.<br>The new Audi RS4 is the first Audi that corners well if the new Audi S6 will also have the V8 it will corners also well but it will corner a lot worse if it will have a V10.<br>There are even plans for a new 7.2 liter W12 engine with 560 hp based on the new 3.6 VR6 engine. <br><b>But the future will tell.</b><p>wfg, Hans.<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Iceman at 8:25 AM 11/21/2005</i>

Klaus H.
10-12-2005, 06:55 AM
Hello,<p>today my 9-year-old-daughter made these two pics at the Audi-Test-Center at the Nrburgring-Germany:<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.kataah.de/112_1241a.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Big ones:<p><A HREF="http://www.kataah.de/112_1241.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.kataah.de/112_1241.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.kataah.de/112_1223.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.kataah.de/112_1223.jpg</A><p>Best regards from germany<br>Klaus<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Klaus H. at 7:00 AM 10/12/2005</i>

gone with the wind
10-12-2005, 07:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Klaus H.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hello,<p>today my 9-year-old-daughter made these two pics at the Audi-Test-Center at the Nrburgring-Germany:<br><A HREF="http://www.kataah.de/112_1223.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.kataah.de/112_1223.jpg</A><p>Best regards from germany<br>Klaus <i>Modified by Klaus H. at 7:00 AM 10/12/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p><b>There is even a Audi TT Testmule behind that red A6/S6 model.<br>Look at the exhaust of it.</b><p>wfg, Hans.

against the wall
10-12-2005, 12:45 PM
out of curiousity, why is ur 9 year old daughter at nurburgring? does she wanna be a spy photographer.

erzhik
10-12-2005, 06:37 PM
Argh.. Audi is hiding their cars really well. Can't wait to see more pics

Klaus H.
10-14-2005, 08:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">out of curiousity, why is ur 9 year old daughter at nurburgring? does she wanna be a spy photographer.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Hello,<p>yes, we were there together and she was sitting on the right seat of my car. Remember, she allready made the spy shots of the new Focus.<p>Best regards

Mil
10-14-2005, 11:33 AM
i dont realy see many girls that are 9 years old interested in cars, im 12 - boy

Ascariss
10-14-2005, 12:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Klaus H.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Hello,<p>yes, we were there together and she was sitting on the right seat of my car. Remember, she allready made the spy shots of the new Focus.<p>Best regards</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks for the pictures, appreciated a lot. Do share more whenever you can.

clarens37
10-17-2005, 09:04 AM
<A HREF="http://tinypic.com/eq6pfk.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://tinypic.com/eq6pfk.jpg</A><p>With a 450 hp V10 coming to tokio!! put it on the A6!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
10-17-2005, 11:20 AM
From autoscoop:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The all new Audi S8 is powered by the same V10 engine that runs in the Lamborghini Gallardo, tweaked of course to fit the S8.<br>4wheel drive (40/60 distribution) 450 hp 0-62 mp/h in just 5,2 sec</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://tinypic.com/eq6ph3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://tinypic.com/eq6ph3.jpg</A><p>Can someone verify the above information? Thanks!

Comrade
10-17-2005, 12:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>clarens37</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://tinypic.com/eq6pfk.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://tinypic.com/eq6pfk.jpg</A><p>With a 450 hp V10 coming to tokio!! put it on the A6!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Read the guidelines for a New Car. This is not an official press release from the manufacturer, but more like a rendering so it belongs in the Spy Pictures section.

knicks125
10-17-2005, 01:07 PM
That latest I am hearing: S8 will debut at Tokyo AutoShow, still true?

SELLER
10-17-2005, 01:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That latest I am hearing: S8 will debut at Tokyo AutoShow, still true?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As far as I've heard, yes, still true.

Arturo
10-20-2005, 03:39 PM
Yep, it's been officially confirmed by Audi: S8 debuts at Tokyo. Specs: 5.2 litre V10 FSI engine, 450 hp performance, 540 Nm torque (sorry not acquainted to US measures), max speed limited at 250kmph.<p>I seem not ot get any pix inserted, so give you a link: <A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/audi_s8_lambo_luxus_limo_mit_450_ps.94047.d_ams_ne ws_special_ha.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...a.htm</A>

knicks125
10-20-2005, 05:32 PM
Please continue S8 discussion here: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=17213" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=17213</A><p>S6 can be remained here until it is unveiled <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Klaus H.
10-25-2005, 08:00 AM
Hello,<p>here you can read, that the pictures of my daughter not show a S6, but a mule of the new Audi R9. <p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_Audi_R9.S178.A9517.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A><p>Best regards<br>Klaus from germany

knicks125
11-21-2005, 06:53 AM
Details and photos of the new S6:<p><A HREF="http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_1805.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fourtitude.com/news...shtml</A>

erzhik
11-21-2005, 07:13 AM
Finally we are getting closer to see S6... Can't wait to see what RS6 will look like.

hyundaidriver
12-19-2005, 03:21 PM
<A HREF="http://www.autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/51216123059169_Audi-S6-Av.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autowereld.com/imag...v.jpg</A> <br> <A HREF="http://www.autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/512161231682_Audi-S6-Av.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autowereld.com/imag...v.jpg</A>

Comrade
12-19-2005, 07:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hyundaidriver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <A HREF="http://www.autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/51216123059169_Audi-S6-Av.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autowereld.com/imag...v.jpg</A> <br> <A HREF="http://www.autowereld.com/imagesDB/640/512161231682_Audi-S6-Av.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autowereld.com/imag...v.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>...and another one: <A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6051215.002/6051215.002.Mini10L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A>

phaeton
01-06-2006, 05:16 PM
Official Pictures uncovered in Auto Motor und Sport Mag.<p>Press Release prediction NAIAS 2006<p><A HREF="http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2376737" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2376737</A>

bregant
01-08-2006, 12:29 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/499/4a.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>More pictures (about S6 Avant too) and news here:<p><A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=499" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=499</A><p>bye<p>gio

knicks125
01-08-2006, 12:33 PM
Please continue discussions in the New Cars section:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=18202" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=18202</A>