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Player4
04-08-2005, 08:02 PM
<B>Honda To Debut New Civic This Fall</B><p><I>Date Posted 04-08-2005 <p>TOKYO  A version of the new Civic sedan has been seen driving on highway tests in the U.S., revealing clear similarities between the Civic sedan and the sporty Civic Si concept unveiled at the Chicago show, including a sweeping roofline and A-pillar treatment. However, according to a Honda insider who's seen both cars, the new two-door and four-door Civics do look distinctly different from each other overall.<p>Still, the sculptured sheet metal on the new Civic sedan will be a big lift on the staid current model. It's also designed to look more upscale. At the same time, there's been a strong push by Honda on quality. Honda's also extended the Civic wheelbase to boost cabin space and the car looks more cab forward compared to other cars in the segment.<p>Under the hood, Honda will revise the current 1.4- and 1.7-liter engines and, of course, will do a second-generation Civic IMA hybrid.<p>Unfortunately, the U.S. Civic sedan doesn't have too much in common with the sexy new European Civic concept that bowed to huge acclaim at the Geneva show back in March. For America, Honda's keeping the Civic sedan pretty much in the same position it currently occupies. Quality, competence, as ever, will be the Civic hallmarks.<p><B>What it means to you:</B> Tuners have long complained that Honda has taken them for granted by not reinvesting any money into the Civic platform. So we'll see how they react when the company finally responds with a redesign. And with Honda's sales suffering of late, they can't afford a mistake with this launch.</I><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.Edmunds.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.Edmunds.com</A>

Lakeshow23
04-09-2005, 02:16 PM
Good move. Honda needs to change that boring Civic. After '99, I think the wheels fell off with that thing. They ditched the ind. suspension, and driving the car wasn't as fun, looking at it wasn't enjoyable... and it felt cheap. Plus it was way overpriced. A dealer tried to charge me like $23,000 for one, and I laughed my way out of the dealership.

nismo
04-10-2005, 01:54 PM
The new Civic is suppose to have new engines. I think they're going to try to make this Civic class leading... Whats crazy is Nissan will be releasing a new Renault Megane based Sentra next Summer and Toyota has already previewed the next Corolla at a dealer show and it stole the show... even with the new Lexus IS there. <p>Competition is going to be tight...

LEXUS FAN!
04-10-2005, 10:16 PM
Here is a great spy shot from TCC<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=178&sid=178&article=8444" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...=8444</A>

the_saint
04-10-2005, 11:08 PM
It looks bigger than the current model.<br>almost as big as an altima.<p>Or maybe its just the picture that makes it look big.

LoneWolf
04-11-2005, 01:48 AM
I think it's the sweeping A pillar that gives it the illusion of size. Very cab-forward. Could it be that Honda's finally behind the domestics on something???

mzoltarp
04-11-2005, 05:31 AM
If the car comes off looking handsome, and if Honda can put some power into it, the Jetta will really be in danger.

carmaniac
04-11-2005, 07:21 AM
is that the instrument cluster I see at the centre of the dashboard?!!?1 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> :o

Dodger
04-11-2005, 07:28 AM
Man I hope not- I hate those. I also hope they move the mirrors from being mounted on the door like that, it doesn't look right. Does the back end look that much different?

Manzano
04-11-2005, 07:55 AM
I think this Civic looks more sporty than current. Alloy wheels looks 16 inch.<br>I heard tha Honda is putting a 1.9 or 2.0 engine on it replacing the current underpowered 1.7. Does anybody knows aout it?

thainogkok
04-11-2005, 07:58 AM
a lot of people in Thailand (include me) has seen front spy pic of this car because someone can take the pic when the car testing in Thailand on february(there are 2 small pic ... front and rear but at thecarconnection don't have front pic ).<p>All i can tell you is the front of this car is look like civic si concept except bumper and .............(sorry i don't know what they call in english). <br>

Andre
04-11-2005, 07:58 AM
The Dash seems to be very Prius like. Some slight differences though, it's two small slits right above the steering wheel, but they do not seem to be in the center.

Manzano
04-11-2005, 09:37 AM
Thainogkok,<p>Do you have these spys of front and rear? Even an address to consult?<p>I think the last Civic concept very nice and sporty. I liked very much. Here in Brazil we have Civic sedan produced locally. The users are 50 years old in average very different from the 35 avg in USA. That's why we have only the sedan and not the hatch back.<br>I think that if honda goes to a too much sporty new Civic seda some of the users here will not accept.<br>Civic is a near luxury car in here. That's why a higher engine displacement is necessary.<p>Does anybody has a picture of the interior of the new Civic concept? <p>Thanks.

LEXUS FAN!
04-11-2005, 10:29 AM
can anyone enlarge the second spy picture that is from the side from TCC????

DoMiNo
04-11-2005, 10:31 AM
So with a roofline like that I can only assume that the new Civic will have (a) tight front head room or (b) a dashboard as big as Rhode Island (a la New Beetle).<p>And I totally agree about the wing mirrors... they need to be moved.

JBlair
04-11-2005, 11:26 AM
That side pic makes the front look obscenely short and stubby.

Player4
04-11-2005, 01:18 PM
Civic <p>Fall 2005<p>Full Model Change: 1.8L SOHC 140hp i-VTEC 4 (R18), 2.0L/200-210hp 6MT (Si), Direct Injection(?), ~3 inches longer and wider than current Civic, retains front McPherson strut susp. Si returns as a Coupe, Si gets "track tuned" suspension, optional navi<p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.VTEC.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.VTEC.net</A>

LEXUS FAN!
04-11-2005, 02:15 PM
the spy shot makes it look like the Prius.

ndjan
04-11-2005, 05:54 PM
I agree, it does look like a creased up Prius. I'm not digging this egg-shaped trend carmakers are taking on.

Dan J.
04-11-2005, 06:25 PM
When is the sedan going to debut? Franfurt Auto Show?

Rugbyplaya91
04-11-2005, 08:09 PM
so this is only for europe and all the other countries

AM2
04-11-2005, 10:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so this is only for europe and all the other countries</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think its for most of the countries and maybe europe...where the hatchback is the main model...

nismo
04-12-2005, 12:49 AM
Honda doesn't do the whole debut thing for any of its exsisting models.. they just go on sale.<p>I know the new Civics have a new R18 engine but I thought there would be 3 hp ratings... LX, EX, SI.... considering the DX most likely will be discontinued with the introduction of the Fit/Jazz. I'm thinking 130hp LX, 160hp EX, 200hp SI.

Uberwagon
04-12-2005, 01:55 PM
Launch for Sedan is September. October for Coupe. Looking like January for Si. Think 140ish hp for sedan with reduced emissions and higher fuel mileage. Si is 200hp screamer, infinitely tuneable and a rocket. A 4-door Si is in the works.

piokor
04-12-2005, 02:58 PM
The Si production version is premiering at SEMA this year. Honda said this a little while ago when the Si Concept premiered in Chicago.

against the wall
04-12-2005, 03:38 PM
somebody on autoweek.com forums pointed out that there seems to look like 2 dashboards, one on top of the other. can this be a hybrid?

Uberwagon
04-12-2005, 10:48 PM
This is an electronic display on top of slim traditional instrument pod. It's a "heads-up-like" function allowing driver to focus on long distances better. There is no center mounted instruments as speculated earlier in the thread. However, there will be a navi system available as well as other lux items not yet seen in the Civic line before. The car is larger than current one, mostly in rear seat passenger space. Suspension is still struts but handling is greatly improved and set up for tuning (Honda got the message last time around). Horsepower, mileage and emissions efficiency are all pushed up by improved K-series engines.

Uberwagon
04-12-2005, 11:34 PM
Competition will be tight indeed. The new Civic will use K-series engines in sedan, coupe and the Si. Honda is shooting for class-leading traits but, as even the low end of the market becomes increasingly defined by refinement, sportiness and horsepower, Toyota and Nissan are likely to level the playing field quickly.<p>There is a 4-door Civic Si on the books for late 2006 introduction but, as this is not a volume leader, Honda is concentrating on standard sedan practicality. It remains to be seen if this is the right position.

nismo
04-15-2005, 11:24 AM
The new Civic will reportedly use a R-series engine. Some one putting the prototypes together said the model they were making had a R18A1(?) engine. Check the forums at Temple of Vtec for more...

AM2
04-15-2005, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>There is a 4-door Civic Si on the books for late 2006 introduction but, as this is not a volume leader, Honda is concentrating on standard sedan practicality.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe they plan to make different kinds of Si/SiR models...<br>back in the 90's 3-door and 4-door 160bhp Civic SiR's existed in asia... <p>Do you think they will make the Si/SiR both in coupe and sedan form in North America? ... the concept was in coupe form.

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 02:00 PM
Si sedan is coming.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Uberwagon at 2:16 PM 4/15/2005</i>

Player4
04-15-2005, 02:50 PM
I heard that the Civic was going to be available in 2, 3, 4, and 5 door versions. So a 2 door coupe, a 2 door hatchback (the hatchback counts as another door so its the 3 door model), a 4 door sedan, and a 4 door hatchback ( the hatchback counts as another door so its the 5door model) (alike Mazda 6 5-Door Hatchback).

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 10:55 PM
Yes, true. Only the 2 and 4 door are coming to North America (coupe and sedan). Both are moving slightly upmarket. Interiors are vastly improved, as are driving dynamics.

ciwai
04-16-2005, 11:02 AM
a rough guess, based on the faint outline of the tail lamp graphics. <p><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/Civ_02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...2.jpg</A><p>original:<p><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/ciwai/Civ_02A.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...A.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 7:19 PM 4/17/2005</i>

LEXUS FAN!
04-16-2005, 11:29 PM
you should not have channged the window, but good job anyways<br>

the cheddar
04-29-2005, 05:08 PM
Uberwagon/others<p>What horsepower?<br>Will there be leather?<br>Wheels and tires: 17" yet?<br>Will there be variants (besides coupe)?<br>Si: Real or pretender?<br>SMG transmission coming?<br>Limited slip, real or imagined?<p>Need to know!

nismo
04-29-2005, 06:56 PM
There will be 2-3 different engines. R18A1 is the code for one of the engines. Vtec across the board. The SI will have 200hp and be availabe as a coupe first but there are rumours of a sedan version later on... you probably can expect 17's on that model. No other body styles besides Sedan and Coupe have been reported. The Hatchback was a flop so there no sense making another one unless its in the fashion of the Mazda3 hatch or Matrix which have decent sales figures. Also, I don't think they will be offering DX (power nothing models) anymore.. this move is to make room for the next gen Jazz/Fit to makes its NA debut.

boston
05-02-2005, 08:53 AM
Interiors designed by Honda in the late 90-2001 were quite poor in comparision to more recent vehicles. Pilot is another that looks dated and messy. Honda would do well to redo the interior of that vehicle its a mess.

Uberwagon
05-03-2005, 03:15 PM
Horsepower is 140 base. It's a touch more but the mileage is excellent. These are VERY efficient, clean engines. Si is 200 but has wide potential for more. Hondata will be happy. This is a very, very strong engine with enormous refinements and serious high-performance features enabling an 8000+ rpm redline.<p>No leather option. A mistake, maybe. I think you can anticipate one coming later, perhaps. But there will be a voice activated navi system available on all models.<p>Base has 16" five-stars, Si 17" with optional 18" to come. <p>No variants, just coupe and sedan. There will be an Si coupe to launch followed by an Si sedan in 2007.<p>Si: Real deal. All that criticism last time around was taken to heart. This is a true sports coupe with engine, gearbox, suspension and balance to please performance drivers and enable further tuning.<p>SMG: No comment.<p>Limited slip diff: Yes.

masterkiller500r
05-04-2005, 09:01 PM
Also dont forget Hyundai is ready for a new Elantra around this time also and the way Hyundai has been moving along now with the Sonata, new XG replacement, Accent, I wouldnt be surprised if the new Elantra is ready for full force to take on the Civic. <p>As for the Si, its good to see them going with a 200hp motor but all I have to say about Honda is that they better keep the price where it is now if they wanna compete sales wise with the king of the street for power and price, Dodge Neon Srt-4.

CarPenter
05-09-2005, 10:46 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img121.echo.cx/img121/8781/civic19fd.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com<p>wish someone could blow up this pic and lighten it.....<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CarPenter at 11:03 PM 5/9/2005</i>

Ascariss
05-09-2005, 11:04 PM
Welcome, but please post in the original first threads in the spy pictures area and not in the new cars area. Here is the original thread:<p>btw in the future, do avoid posting things from the hollywood extra, he isn't that reliable.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:15 AM 5/12/2005</i>

CarPenter
05-12-2005, 12:11 AM
look between the evo and the wrx the blue car is the 2006 civic !!!!! <br><IMG SRC="http://response.jp/issue/2005/0509/article70471_1.images/86628.jpg" BORDER="0">

Speedstick
05-12-2005, 05:46 AM
I have to say I don't like this "coupe-look" idea for the sedan. Rear passengers won't get much of a window.<p>If you look at the Euro hatch concept, it was called a 5 door, but looked like a 3 door with a coupe extra doors a la RX8, but upon reading up on it it was supposed to be used as a true 5 door. I think it looks ungainly.

Uberwagon
05-12-2005, 09:13 AM
That illustration is close but not accurate. The 2006 has a C-piller that is similar to the current sedans, albeit stretched and sleeker. It also has a very different, more upright tail light treatment from the coupe. The illustration shows large, 18-inch-ish wheels, which will not be available until the four-door Si and there will not be a body kit, as shown.<p>

Player4
05-13-2005, 12:47 PM
<B>2006 Civic Sedan Renderings</B><p><I>TOV Member, kiwikungfu, was traveling in Japan recently and picked up the May issue of Best Car Magazine. Inside he found some artist renderings of a 2006 Civic Sedan. It looks like the artist has combined some features of the Civic Si prototype with clean and fresh lines from the current sedan. There also seems to be a mention of the new Hybrid powertrain using a 1.3 liter engine with the IMA. Tell us what you think. <br></I><p>Renderings:<p><A HREF="http://img60.echo.cx/my.php?image=06civic9um.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img60.echo.cx/img60/3636/06civic9um.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><IMG SRC="http://img60.echo.cx/img60/3636/06civic9um.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://img60.echo.cx/img60/3636/06civic9um.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img60.echo.cx/img60/3636/06civic9um.jpg</A><p><I>Here is a translation: <br>Starting from the left hand corner...</I> <I><B>"The Civic will have a 1.3 liter gasoline engine with automatic transmission and IMA capable of getting 30 KM/L or better in fuel economy. </B></I><p><I>Over to the main body on the right hand side... </I><br><I><B>The Civic will be introduced this September at the Geneva(??*) Motor Show. New Civic will have a 5-door design. Japan themselves have long enjoyed 4-door cars for a long time. The first discovery of the 5-door is a design that the Japanese are coming to prefer. <p>The style itself looks like a sports car, but the main point is the hybrid feature. The system has the same IMA, but very sports like, the styling surpasses the previous Civic design of today. The design will efficiently be welcomed in today's great market place. " <br></B></I><p><I><B>Editor's NOTE:</B></I><br><I>While the car depicted in this drawing looks interesting, and appears to be a fairly reasonable representation of the 2006 North American Civic Sedan, it's pretty clear that this drawing is not fully accurate. First of all, the one set of spy shots that we've seen clearly shows a front quarter window, and the car in those photos has been verified to be the real '06 Civic. Secondly, if you look at the side view/cutaway above, take a look at the front wheel placement - there is virtually zero overhang. And note Honda has repeatedly stated in the past that though long front overhangs are difficult to deal with from a styling standpoint, they are an absolute necessity for meeting their safety priorities. On top of that, with a transverse FF transaxle configuration, such wheel placement is also nearly impossible from a packaging standpoint. So this throws off the overall proportions of the sketch. The detailing on the sides and door cutlines appears reasonably accurate, but moving to the rear of the vehicle, we think there are some differences. In these renderings, the trunklid cutlines are tapered too much - it looks good and gives the car a bit of a muscular look, but we know Honda, and we don't think they would sacrifice access to the trunk to such a degree. Also, we're nearly certain that the Civic sedan won't have dual exhausts, nevermind triangular tips. <br>*As we all know, the Geneva show already took place in March. Honda has officially stated that the production version of the '06 (Euro) Civic will debut in September at the Frankfurt Motor Show.<br></I><p>Whole Article From Temple of VTEC:<br><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=354593" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/news/news-...54593</A><p>Source: <br><A HREF="http://www.VTEC.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.VTEC.net</A><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Player4 at 4:02 PM 5/13/2005</i>

Ascariss
05-13-2005, 12:51 PM
VTEC have anti hotlinking, care to upload to imageshack?

LEXUS FAN!
05-13-2005, 03:45 PM
i'm not sure i like the design yet if those shots are accurate, but i will wait for the real car to debut until i have a solid opinion of the car

nismo
05-13-2005, 05:41 PM
Not bad but this nothing more than a chop... Spypics show a rear very similar to the current model and different greenhouse.<p>Like usual Honda has been able to keep any good info/pics from leaking...

Roadster44
05-15-2005, 02:48 AM
This car is a sleeper...don't look now, but when it'll go on sale the dealers will not be able to keep any inventory whatsoever. It other words its a hit.

spwolf
05-15-2005, 02:53 PM
sleeper? if it ends up looking like that, it wont be an sleeper at all! :-).

Roadster44
05-16-2005, 06:49 AM
I just meant that its not generating as much excitement as other more popular models out there, but as soon as it'll be out everybody will want one. I can't wait to see how they've improved interior quality.

Uberwagon
05-16-2005, 11:29 AM
The interior is very nice. There are some interesting design and functional attributes that make it MUCH nicer than the current one. But naturally, I am biased <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Personally, I am looking most forward to the four-door Si release. There is truly no affordable sport sedan in this performance or price range on the market currently. It will be very nice to see those buyers in the $20-22k sedan market enjoy a balanced, high-rpm performance machine.<p>As for the pics, the blue cut-away comes very close.

toasteroven
05-19-2005, 08:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally, I am looking most forward to the four-door Si release. There is truly no affordable sport sedan in this performance or price range on the market currently.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>SRT4. SE-R V-Type. Upcoming Mazdaspeed3. Personally, I'd rather have my HP and torque on tap below redline, thanks.<p>I'm still waiting for the details - the last Civic came with horrible tires, squeaky interior bits, and bolts that liked to come loose. I know - I had an Si Coupe (Canada) for almost 2 years. I was disappointed that the car failed to live up to it's reputation. The two-tone beige interior sure did look nice though - until you either let it get dusty, or banged something against it &lt;crack! snap!&gt;.<p>I'd like to see a bit of rarity with the Si, and a move by Honda to ensure they don't cut any cost corners on it. The competition comes with 170HP+, limited-slips and Z-rated rubber. The last MSProtege had a killer suspension set-up. The SE-R has great value, and the SRT4 just destroys everything thrown against it. I'd like to see Honda come out on top again too - I just don't think they will.<p>As to these new photos, the European mags just slice and dice pictures together to guess at what they will look like. The beige interior is an Acura EL photo retouched a bit.

Nurburgring
05-20-2005, 02:57 PM
The release date for the new Civic is September of 2005.Details will follow around August. <br>More info on<br><A HREF="http://www.hondapreview.com/civic" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hondapreview.com/civic</A><br>Also the 2006 Honda Accord will be in showrooms by September of 2005. It is said that the horsepowers for both 4cylinder and 6 cylinder models will be boosted. The exterior will be extensively changed. More info on <br><A HREF="http://www.hondapreview.com/accord" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hondapreview.com/accord</A><p>For honda fans, u should check out the website everyday cause they update with new info very often.

sono81
05-22-2005, 09:41 AM
Dont know if this have been seen before<p><A HREF="http://img193.echo.cx/my.php?image=dsc003848ax.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img193.echo.cx/img193/1478/dsc003848ax.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>Cleaned up<br><A HREF="http://img164.echo.cx/my.php?image=dsc003856mp.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img164.echo.cx/img164/1922/dsc003856mp.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>"Double dash"<br><A HREF="http://img9.echo.cx/my.php?image=dsc003866ie.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img9.echo.cx/img9/4606/dsc003866ie.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>Source: Revista Quatro Rodas

Charger
05-22-2005, 09:44 AM
Wow, I hope the back lights end up looking like that, they look very good. When is this supposed to go on sale?

sono81
05-22-2005, 09:48 AM
According to the magazine, it will go on sale in Brazil and US by may 2006.

Vector
05-23-2005, 02:02 PM
I believe it's been established that this is coming in September of this year. Someone inside said it and the coupe were coming then, followed by Si and Hybrid a couple months later. <p>A friend works with a navi supplier and they said they are preparing for production now and beginning deliveries soon.

FordRules
05-24-2005, 05:33 PM
thought it looked like a prius too

dragonsback
06-21-2005, 09:18 AM
I am new to posting here but long time reader, you guys are awesome!<br>I just wanted to give anyone in my area a heads up on what I saw yesterday around Costa Mesa and Irvine, CA <br>While driving down Redhill Ave. I spotted two 200? Honda Civic's with barely ANY camo on them, they only thing that was onthe car where large black stickers covering strips of the hood and body panels and black tape covering the honda logo. The car itself was in full view and you could make out everything. I do not have a camera phone and did not have my camera on me at the time so I could not get any pics, I am sorry. Maybe if anybody is in the area....keep an eye posted.<br>What I saw:<br>Looks nothing like the Civic SI concept<br>Longer wheelbase, 4 door sedan<br>Lower to the ground and sleeker than current<br>Wider wheelbase<br>Sleeker front lights, halogen, sweeping wide and out ( not like SI concept)<br>Silver in color<br>WAY better looking that current one but still a simple design, if it was not for the large black stickers on it, it would totally blend in with other cars. <br>I also think I saw an Accord in the same type of camo, but it looked the same as the current version, maybe a mule with an older shell.<br>Again I am sorry I do not have pics, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up that are in my area to keep an eye out for these running around.

knicks125
06-21-2005, 09:27 AM
Welcome to CSS.<p>Thank you for your contribution and glad you caught what seems to be the next gen civics <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>There is an existing thread which you can further your contribution and talk about the car with other CSSer. Let me find it for you.<p>Edit: Here you go - <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14764" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14764</A><p>Enjoy your stay <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

tek2k
06-21-2005, 02:39 PM
so the SEDAN doesn't look like the si COUPE concept? makes sense. LOL

Andre
06-21-2005, 10:47 PM
hehe. There is a lot around Irvine and Costa Mesa. Thank you for the heads up. I live in SoCal as well, but nary a car ends up this far SW. Keep a camera on you in the future, and if safely possible, snap a shot or two!.

Uberwagon
06-23-2005, 05:03 PM
There are a number of preproduction Civics we are now testing around Southern California and elsewhere. If you are anywhere around Torrance and south (to Orange County as mentioned), particularly on the 405, harbor & LB freeways and others, keep your camera ready. You will have a very good chance.<p>

Chris_Doane
06-23-2005, 05:11 PM
Vtec has some new photos, but you have to be a member to see it. Or wait until Saturday when they will open it to the public:<p><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net</A>

LEXUS FAN!
06-23-2005, 08:28 PM
awesome photos...thanks<p>the back of the coupe kind of looks like the nissan maxima

against the wall
06-24-2005, 05:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are a number of preproduction Civics we are now testing around Southern California and elsewhere. If you are anywhere around Torrance and south (to Orange County as mentioned), particularly on the 405, harbor & LB freeways and others, keep your camera ready. You will have a very good chance.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>when u say "we", wut do u mean by that?

trekvdm
06-24-2005, 10:40 AM
Here's some more pics<p><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=364303" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/news/news-...64303</A><p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 2:17 PM 6/30/2005</i>

Andre
06-24-2005, 10:51 AM
The TOV links are for TOV members only, I must remove them especially considering our policy is no hotlinking of spy shots unless you took the shot yourself, or obtained permission to link them.<p>Thank you for your understanding

mzoltarp
06-25-2005, 05:10 AM
The tail end of the coupe looks flabby. The way the bumper sweeps upward toward the lights and the trunk lid tucked in is terrible.

03ggelement
06-25-2005, 09:14 AM
I dunno, I actually like what I see from both coupe and sedan. They look clean and not so "cheap-looking."

nismo
06-25-2005, 09:54 AM
I agree, they look a little more upmarket than last gen. Pretty nice.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

jro4566
06-25-2005, 10:11 AM
Not bad, but not breathtaking like the MAZDA3. It should, however, compete well with the Corolla and Cobalt.

nismo
06-25-2005, 10:31 AM
I actually think this is way nicer than the Cobalt now. The current Civic stacked up just fine to the Cobalt so I can't see this not doing better.<p>I wonder when more info on the engines will be available.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Rugbyplaya91
06-25-2005, 01:40 PM
nice, the coupe looks sorta like the old honda accord coupe imo, i think honda has got yet another winner

Dodger
06-25-2005, 02:20 PM
I know I have said this before, but I don't like when they mount the mirrors like that (on the sedan). This is a minor issue though as the whole car comes together really nicely. I am really a fan of the coupe- it has such a nice flow to it. I can't wait to see the finished product.

phoenix1
06-25-2005, 07:52 PM
it looks like an ion from the front . its probably just coz of the pic though.

Santeno
07-01-2005, 08:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Explorer_97</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The sedan photos:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/1301.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/scrapbook/original/1299.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...9.jpg</A><p>Source and Article:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_06_Honda_Civics.S178.A8842.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A></TD></TR></TABLE>

Nurburgring
07-01-2005, 08:51 AM
I believe the gold car is the LX Sedan because it has 16 inch steel rims and the dark blue sedan in the earlier spyshots with the 15 inch steel rims is the DX Sedan. I believe the dark blue vehicle with the 16 inch alloy wheels in the vtec spyshots is the EX Sedan.

Uberwagon
07-01-2005, 04:12 PM
That is correct. The EX gets five-spoke aluminum wheels. Si gets standard 17s, with optional 18s. Both have the option of very good high performance "summer" tires. For those of you who know Honda's habit of under-tiring, this is a big thing.<p>Sedan wing window is, to a degree, a necessity. Like other recent Japanese Honda designs, he a-pillar is stretched very far forward, requiring the mirror to be mounted further aft, along with the door. The coupe door is mounted farther forward so there was some leeway.<p>Regarding the "we" post: Guess. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

LSS_C6
07-01-2005, 04:54 PM
The sedan will certainly be the most regular version, the one that has less enthusiast and emotion...but it`s still very prety!<br>But the 5door version...it`s one hell of a piece of beauty! It`s one of the cars of the moment!

Nurburgring
07-02-2005, 03:20 AM
I have to say that's the only vehicle designed by Honda with a slight excitement into it........You know I'm talkin about the si coupe, don't you?<br>The sedan is better than a Corolla, but not as much as the Mazda 3. But I'll have to wait forthe official pix to come out before I can judge anymore.

Uberwagon
07-02-2005, 09:59 AM
Yes, there is much excitement at Honda about the Si, not only as a product but as a car that employees are now lining up to buy.<p>The sedan is certainly more conservative in its approach but will be a dynamic leap from the current model. Still, it is engineered responsibly, providing huge mileage, extremely low emissions and safety systems that far surpass others at this pricepoint and size. This is central to the ethic of "the Honda way."<p>The Mazda 3S will naturally be a bit more "zoom" than the lx/ex Civics. But the Si sedan will follow and, despite being a bit more expensive, will more than challenge its performance credentials.

Blob
07-03-2005, 09:00 AM
I hate this car, it looks like some souped up 90's car, will it bereleased in Europe.

r3vilo
07-03-2005, 10:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blob</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate this car, it looks like some souped up 90's car, will it bereleased in Europe.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its allready been said that it will be likely to be released in Europe. And can you say what it really looks like seeing as we only have a few shots of prototypes that are completely covered in plastic, some cgi's and the concept. so I think you are being foolish in saying that you hate it

Santeno
07-06-2005, 10:19 AM
Here is an article from Autocar regarding expected Civic powerplants:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Autocar Magazine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>Civic secrets revealed</b><p>Honda’s radical replacement for the Civic hatchback will be revealed in five-door form at the Frankfurt motor show in September before landing in UK dealerships early next year. But ahead of the launch, Honda has announced a pair of new engines developed to power the all-new Civic.<p>First up is a new 1.8-litre i-VTEC petrol engine, which Honda claims matches the performance of a 2.0-litre with the fuel economy of a 1.5-litre engine thanks to a sophisticated valve timing control system, variable-length intake manifold and precise drive-by-wire throttle. The 1798cc unit produces 138bhp at 6300rpm and 128lb ft of torque at 4300rpm.<p>The second new arrival is the replacement for Honda’s current IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) petrol/electric hybrid. The system mates a 1339cc i-VTEC petrol engine with a 158-volt electric motor. Honda claims it has made the system more compact, yet boasts power gains of 20 per cent as well as improved fuel economy compared to the current system. The petrol unit produces 94bhp at 6000rpm and 91lb ft of torque at 4500rpm, assisted by the electric motor which supplies 20bhp at 2000rpm and a useful 76lb ft of twist from 0-1160rpm.<p>Styling for the new Civic is likely to stick closely to the looks of concept car revealed at Geneva earlier this year, providing a stylish alternative to the plain-looking VW Golf and Ford Focus. A sportier three-door – topped by a replacement for the 197bhp Type-R – and two- and four-door saloons will follow. Further engines are likely to include a 1.4-litre petrol and the excellent 2.2-litre diesel already used in the Accord, FR-V and HR-V.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Redline
07-06-2005, 10:25 AM
The call the Golf and Focus plain compared to this? Other than that statement this new Civic sounds like a pretty good appliance. Not much for excitement but you get what you need.

Santeno
07-08-2005, 08:58 AM
Here's an article from Pistonheads regarding the new 1.8 liter VTEC engine for the civic line:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pistonheads</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HONDA UPDATES THE VTEC<br><FONT SIZE="1">More power and economy from high-tech engine</FONT><p>Honda has revealed an update to its VTEC engine technology that makes the engine more efficient. The company said that the 1.8-litre version produces as much power as a 2-litre as a result but returns fuel economy figures akin to those of a 1.5-litre lump. <p>According to Honda, the engine employs an intelligent VTEC system that switches the valve timing for maximum efficiency during startup and acceleration to achieve powerful, torquey performance, then delays intake valve closure timing during cruising and other low-load conditions for improved fuel economy.<p>Use of the valve timing control system results in off-the-line acceleration performance equivalent to a 2.0-litre engine, fuel economy better than the current 1.6-litre Civic engine, making it one of the world’s most efficient 1.8-litre engine designs. During cruising, the new engine achieves particularly high fuel economy, on a par with that of a 1.5-litre engine.<p><u>How it works</u><p>Under low-load conditions on conventional engine, the throttle valve is normally partly closed to control the intake volume of the fuel-air mixture. During this time, pumping losses are incurred due to intake resistance, and this is one factor that leads to reduced engine efficiency.<p>With Honda's new i-VTEC engine, however, intake valve closure timing is delayed to control the intake volume of the air-fuel mixture, allowing the throttle valve to remain wide open even under low-load conditions for a major reduction in pumping losses of up to 16 per cent. Combined with comprehensive friction-reducing measures, this results in a significant increase in fuel efficiency for the engine itself.<p>A drive by wire system provides high-precision control over the throttle valve while the valve timing is being changed over, ensuring smooth driving performance which, according to Honda, leaves the driver unaware of the resulting torque fluctuation.<p>Other innovations include a variable-length intake manifold that delivers optimum inertia effect to further improve intake efficiency and piston oil jets that cool the pistons to suppress engine knocking, for powerful torque at rpm ranges typical in normal driving.<p>While the 1.8-litre engine only delivers some 138bhp and maximum torque of 128lb-ft, it is not hard to see how a bigger engine could deliver some meaty numbers. It also delivers cleaner emission performance, employing a two-bed catalytic converter positioned immediately after the manifold and high-precision air-fuel ratio control to achieve low emission levels.<p>In addition, lower block construction resulting in a more rigid engine frame, aluminium rocker arms, high-strength cracked connecting rods, a narrow, silent cam chain, and other innovations make the engine more compact and lightweight.<p>The engine will find its way first into the new Civic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

AM2
07-08-2005, 11:47 AM
Does anyone know the base engine for the Asian market Civic?<p>entry level 1.5/1.6 liter models are important in the compact sedan/hatchback segment in Asia.<br>Currently the base Civic in Japan uses a 1.5 liter engine and in ASEAN countries the base Civic engine is either a 1.6 VTEC or 1.7 VTEC.<p>

FSI
07-12-2005, 08:49 AM
Thank goodness for more power. Does anyone know if leather would be an option?

toasteroven
07-12-2005, 09:39 AM
I'm still on the fence on this car. I'd have to see it in person to see how the lines flow - right now from these pictures it looks like it has a bubble-butt.<p>I doubt the Si will have the omph to keep up to a Mazdaspeed 3 - we'll see where the peak horsepower is when the car comes out.<p>Honda still hasn't learned that you can slap whatever HP and torque ratings you want on a motor, but if the usable power curve starts at 7000RPMs, what's the point?<p>As to leather being an option, apparently the Acura Civic clone (EL) will be phased out for 2006, so I'd imagine it's "luxury" options (dual-zone climate control, leather, etc) to be carried over to the Si Sedan.

Chris_Doane
07-12-2005, 10:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toasteroven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">apparently the Acura Civic clone (EL) will be phased out for 2006.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dont be so sure...

Uberwagon
07-12-2005, 01:14 PM
Leather will not be an option. Navi and climate will on EX models. That model will have 16 inch wheels which look much better than the pictured 15 inchers you've seen on LX. Sedan is by no means high horsepower (140ish) but is extremely efficient. Si will not compete with Mazdaspeed 3 directly as it will be priced much lower with comparable equipment. High RPM horsepower will be less "buzzy" and more "everyday" tractable. This engine is balance-shafted and is much smoother than previous Type-R/Type-S engines. <p>

anonms
07-12-2005, 01:31 PM
Wait... would navi and auto climate be standard on the EX?<p>Would Honda sell the 5-door in the US?

toasteroven
07-12-2005, 03:28 PM
They've been talking about axing the EL for years now. Where does it fit? Can Acura continue to justify such a car when it's sales are on par or lower than the RSX? The only non-Civic options being leather and climate-control (the stick-on wood trim is... ahem... tacky).<p>Besides, Focus, SX (Neon), upcoming Caliber, Cobalt SS and the Mazda3 all have leather interior options... I can't see Honda offering navi and climate-control without offering at least a leather-trimmed or insert option. What I do wonder is if HIDs are going to be an option.<p>I'm curious to see how the Mazda5 does before speculating on how well Honda would do with a US/Canada 5-door Civic.

toasteroven
07-12-2005, 03:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sedan is by no means high horsepower (140ish) but is extremely efficient. Si will not compete with Mazdaspeed 3 directly as it will be priced much lower with comparable equipment. High RPM horsepower will be less "buzzy" and more "everyday" tractable. This engine is balance-shafted and is much smoother than previous Type-R/Type-S engines. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What I find funny is the first thing most SRT4 owners do when they start modifying the engine for high horsepower is to ditch the balance shaft. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I had an '02 Civic Si Coupe (Canada, US=EX) and was nowhere near impressed by the power delivery. I was hoping the 8th generation Civic would at least have 150-160hp standard, instead of the simple 130-140. Hopefully, that power will be usable below the screaming redline.<p>I guess we'll see if Honda can impress the enthusiast and the environmentalists equally.<p>Is a 6-speed confirmed for the Si, or is it still under "speculation"? I would guess this is based on the cogs in the RSX Type-S?

fockerRN
07-12-2005, 04:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FSI</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thank goodness for more power. Does anyone know if leather would be an option?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Many dealerships will install leather seating and leather surfaces. A friend of mine has a 2002 Honda Civic EX with grey leather, installed as a special dealer option. Although leather is not on the options list, it can still be had. I'm sure this will be the same case with the new generation Civic. Also, I wouldn't surprise if leather is made an option considering the Corolla, Elantra GT, Focus, Mazda 3, etc. can all be had with leather.

Chris_Doane
07-12-2005, 04:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toasteroven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">apparently the Acura Civic clone (EL) will be phased out for 2006.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Explorer_97</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont be so sure...</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toasteroven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They've been talking about axing the EL for years now. Where does it fit? Can Acura continue to justify such a car when it's sales are on par or lower than the RSX? The only non-Civic options being leather and climate-control (the stick-on wood trim is... ahem... tacky).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Apparently it fits somewhere...maybe only in Canada though. But a 2006 Acura EL definitely exists.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Explorer_97 at 7:07 PM 7/12/2005</i>

Uberwagon
07-12-2005, 05:24 PM
Trust me, there is no leather option for MY06. Unfortunate but true. If there is enough screaming Honda might give in but as of now there is no plan. Very few cars at this pricepoint sell with leather (even when it's available) so it's essentially a cost-cutting move. Easier to develop and produce without it. <p>Even so, the interior is excellent on this car with improved fit and finish, higher quality materials and every airbag imaginable. The big news is an innovative new instrument cluster layout with a heads-up-style display. <p>

caarmike
07-18-2005, 05:32 PM
Autoweek has some previously unseen (and some already seen) shots of the new Civic sedan and coupe.<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/galleries/newcivics/pages/01.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...1.htm</A><p>The last photo in the set is a white sedan with an odd alloy wheel design. I bet that's the hybrid.

Andre
07-18-2005, 05:47 PM
that last one also has LED brake lights <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
07-18-2005, 06:40 PM
Yep, got it. That's the hybrid. The little spoiler on the white one is the tell-tale. As you can see it doesn't look all that different. But it doesn't behave much different either, which is a good thing. <p>

LEXUS FAN!
07-18-2005, 11:39 PM
how do you know that one is the hybrid? all of them could have LED lights

Krypton
07-19-2005, 09:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do you know that one is the hybrid? all of them could have LED lights</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Umm, he works at Honda so i think he would know which one is the hybrid

LEXUS FAN!
07-19-2005, 11:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Umm, he works at Honda so i think he would know which one is the hybrid</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really???...oh woow....<p><br>off topic...but can you post some info on the new pilot in that thread?...haha<br>

caarmike
07-22-2005, 03:52 PM
Edmunds has a video up now of the new Civics. It was shot at the same time as the recent spy photos. Seeing them in motion really gives you a sense of the odd proportions of this car. <br><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=106351" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...06351</A>

LEXUS FAN!
07-22-2005, 06:59 PM
how were the spy photographers so prepared? how did they know the honda people would be there?

Andre
07-22-2005, 10:05 PM
How are you prepared for a red light? Your car has working brakes, and a brake pedal, then you just go with the flow

LEXUS FAN!
07-22-2005, 10:33 PM
but i mean...how did they know they would be there? they had a video camer and everything...these weren't amaeturs...i think so at least

anonms
07-22-2005, 10:41 PM
The sedan doesn't look too bad. I like the "odd" proportions.

Andre
07-22-2005, 10:42 PM
No, it wasn't an amateur... the photographer/videographer is someone who is active on CSS and does spy photography for a living.

LEXUS FAN!
07-23-2005, 12:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, it wasn't an amateur... the photographer/videographer is someone who is active on CSS and does spy photography for a living.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i see...who is it?

caarmike
07-26-2005, 03:18 PM
New developments today.<br>First some brand new coupe photos:<br><A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=383120" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/forums/one...83120</A><p>Then yet more photos from the big shoot at Autoweek.<br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/galleries/newcivics/pages/01.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...1.htm</A><p>Love that white hybrid sedan. Too bad I probably won't be able to afford that version. If I end up getting a Civic maybe I could get the Hybrid wheels as an accesory.<p>When I said the Civic had odd proportions I didn't mean it in a bad way. I just wanted to say its different. It looks very good from some angles and it always interesting. Anyone who says the new Civic is boring isn't looking closely enough.

CosworthKid
07-26-2005, 03:42 PM
My honest first opinion of the new Civic hatch? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>My honest first opinion of the Civic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> sedan?<p>...the coupe looks ok though.But i really dislike the sedan,IT DOES look badly proporioned.Look at those "flying" wheel arches,the "completely stripped-off"look of the front face-it looks like the Civic hatch is a concept car and this just the cheap production model.BMW designs i find controversial yet refreshingly different,but this design just plain ugly.This will only work in Europe as an IMA Hybrid car.IMHO <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

CarMattZu777
07-26-2005, 04:22 PM
Much better than the current Civic, but still a yawn. Even though I loved the new Civic hatch that supposedly will not come to the US, I still have to say now that I see Hondas as emotionless, overrated, overpriced appliances.

Soul Man
07-26-2005, 04:36 PM
i too found the sedan quite boring until i saw this picture<br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/galleries/newcivics/pages/16.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...6.htm</A><br>in that white with those five spoke wheels it almost looks like a mini TL. im not saying its exciting looking, its still a bit bland, but comapred to those other sedna pics this one looks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
07-26-2005, 04:59 PM
It's almost like the previous generation Civic is a girl you remember fondly from your childhood... someone who you think back on and say "Hm, she wasn't bad, I bet she's pretty good looking these days," but then you see her one day and realize she's gained like sixty pounds and gotten pretty ugly.<p>I mean, I want to like this car because its predecessors were good looking in a lithe, subtle, simple way... but this one is just hideous.

Roadster44
07-26-2005, 05:57 PM
Well front end is intended for European market because of the pedestrian laws, so of course it'll look good on hatchback since it was the original intent, you can't expect same for sedan and coupe. Proportions are off.

SV
07-26-2005, 06:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well front end is intended for European market because of the pedestrian laws, so of course it'll look good on hatchback since it was the original intent, you can't expect same for sedan and coupe. Proportions are off.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>the coupe looks fine; i think the problem is with the sedan, which has an odd, low, droopy front bumper. i'm sure the official pictures will look better though, all these prototypes look like their suspensions collapsed.

anonms
07-26-2005, 07:59 PM
I'm liking the Hybrid's rims. I sure hope it's cheap. My mom's still intetnt on buying hybrids.

Miyka'el
07-26-2005, 08:14 PM
Note that Hyundai will be releasing an Accent Hybrid next year; Kia will begin selling a Rio Hybrid at about the same time. Both should be inexpensive.<p>Mike<p><A HREF="http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Hyundai/hyundai_Accent_DV_05_NYC_012.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://files.conceptcarz.com/i...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Hyundai/hyundai_Accent_DV_05_NYC_08.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://files.conceptcarz.com/i...8.jpg</A>

anonms
07-26-2005, 08:38 PM
My parents don't like Korean cars and they don't like subcompact cars.<p><br>Anyways, when will Honda officially unveil the new Civics, anyways?

Soul Man
07-26-2005, 08:45 PM
its supposed ot be unvieled at sema in november, which since im pretty sure thats a private show means maybe just maybe itll be shown for the first time publicly at miami

Miyka'el
07-26-2005, 09:04 PM
The 197-horsepower 2.0-liter Civic Si coupe will bow in November at SEMA, but I believe that the 1.8-liter 140-horsepower Civic sedan will be available for sale by September, with the 1.3-liter 115-horsepower Civic Hybrid debuting around October. We'll see....<p>Mike<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/images/news/102867" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/images/news/102867</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.collegehillshonda.com/artman/uploads/181.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Miyka'el at 1:09 PM 7/27/2005</i>

MtViewGuy188
07-27-2005, 06:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Miykael</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 197-horsepower 2.0-liter Civic Si coupe will bow in November at SEMA, but I believe that the 1.8-liter 140-horsepower Civic sedan will be available for sale by September, with the 1.3-liter 115-horsepower Civic Hybrid debuting around October. We'll see....<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>One thing bothers me though: <i>no mention of transmission types besides the six-speed manual planned for the Si coup</i>.<p>Two questions we need to ask:<p>1. Will the manual transmission for the LX and EX models be a carryover from the current model or a new six-speed with 5th and 6th gear overdrive?<p>2. What will the automatic transmission be like? Will it be a carryover conventional four-speed automatic, a new conventional five-speed automatic, a belt-drive CVT (something Honda has promised for JDM 8th-generation Civics) or an automatic based on the Antonov AAD design? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
07-27-2005, 08:42 AM
I hope it's that new CVT with the 7-speed mode and the paddles.

Miyka'el
07-27-2005, 01:24 PM
The following is confirmed according to <I>VTEC.net</I>:<p>1.8L SOHC 140-hp i-VTEC I-4 with <B>standard manual</B> (no mention of speeds) and <B>optional 5-speed automatic</B><p>2.0L 200-hp (197-hp is most likely, say some sources) i-VTEC I-4 with <B>6-speed manual</B><p>1.3-liter IMA (115-hp; the Hybrid) with <B>CVT only</B><p>That's all I know at this point.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike

caarmike
07-27-2005, 03:22 PM
Autoweek put up more coupe photos today. Same link as before. Looks like an EX model and its certainly not one we've seen in spy shots before.

PG
07-27-2005, 11:38 PM
I think the rear reminds me of the new Nissan Maxima. <br>Does anyone else think so ? <p>The Nissan Maxima<br> <A HREF="http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/NissanMaxima/Images2004/Rear.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.familycar.com/RoadT...r.jpg</A><p>The new Civic <p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/galleries/newcivics/pages/03.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...3.htm</A>

ixocean
08-04-2005, 06:27 PM
Can anyone confirm whether the interior shots we're seeing of the Euro Civic are similar to what we'll be getting in the US version?

knicks125
08-04-2005, 06:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ixocean</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can anyone confirm whether the interior shots we're seeing of the Euro Civic are similar to what we'll be getting in the US version?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The NA spec, specfically US, will be more conservative than the new Euro Civic. Similar? Unlikely, but the car will be better improved than the current model.

tek2k
08-05-2005, 12:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ixocean</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can anyone confirm whether the interior shots we're seeing of the Euro Civic are similar to what we'll be getting in the US version?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>well from some spy shots, the steering wheel is the same in the US civic.

LEXUS FAN!
08-05-2005, 12:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tek2k</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>well from some spy shots, the steering wheel is the same in the US civic.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>which spy shot tells this???<p>by the way...Uberwagon, who works for Honda said this in the Hatchback thread that debuted earlier<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The layout of the upcoming sedan and coupe interior is similar, but the execution is different. The speedo/tacho layout is similar, as is the steering wheel for the new Si coupe.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=16076&page=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=3</A>

tek2k
08-05-2005, 12:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">which spy shot tells this???<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/galleries/newcivics/images/10.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...0.jpg</A><br>i know it's not much, but it looks like it has a 3-spoke black/silver steering wheel.<br>i hope Uberwagon is right about the interiors, i hope the US coupe and sedans interiors don't suck compared to the euro.

ixocean
08-05-2005, 10:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tek2k</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hope the US coupe and sedans interiors don't suck compared to the euro.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Odd, I am actually looking forward to an identical interior to the EURO version. I really don't understand the resistance by some to move into the future. We won't have analog gauges forever people. <p>Remember these? <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.shiptheweb.com/isroot/ShipTheWeb/ProductImages/Kikkerland/KIK-AC06.jpg" BORDER="0">

nismo
08-05-2005, 10:22 PM
Digital guages looks stupid to me. When I think of them I think of some old 80s car that has them and they don't even work anymore....<p>If the customers(majority) don't want it don't put it in.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

ixocean
08-06-2005, 07:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I think of them I think of some old 80s car that has them and they don't even work anymore....</TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>In most cases the digital gauges from the 80's you refer to were using inferior/infantile automotive LCD technology. It's funny because most people want the latest in engine and transmission technology, but when it comes to technological advancements in something much less complicated everyone argues that "In the 80's they used them and most malfunctioned and/or don't work anymore." <p>Does anyone honestly believe that LCD technology hasn't improved in the last 25 years? Wow, some people <B>are</B> technophobes!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

lostJR
08-08-2005, 02:11 PM
Unless you plan on dying young, you will one day have to deal with bifocals or reading glasses, and at the very least, you won't be able to read the small scale on the speedo. Like many Canadians, I have occasion to drive my Canadian car in the US. I can't read the small mph numbers. <p>Guages should be digital, and you should be able to switch between metric and English (I think some cars have this now, but the makers aren't talking about it).

Uberwagon
08-08-2005, 03:51 PM
The interiors of the US market cars WILL be different from the Euro market Civic. However, they will use the same layout of controls and gauges, so they're functionally the same. The Si wheel will be the same one you've seen in the Euro version, as will be other trim pieces. Small hatches in the Euro market are a bit higher-end than small cars in the US. As such, they require and are given more expensive materials & interior treatments. That can not be done in the states without raising the price prohibitively.<p>For the record, many, many studies on readability say the same thing: Digital readouts offer a quicker read, meaning less time with your eyes off the road. As with all things, some hold to tradition. But this interior layout will likely mark a new standard in safe, usable and more functional instrumentation.

ixocean
08-08-2005, 03:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The interiors of the US market cars WILL be different from the Euro market Civic. However, they will use the same layout of controls and gauges, so they're functionally the same. The Si wheel will be the same one you've seen in the Euro version, as will be other trim pieces. Small hatches in the Euro market are a bit higher-end than small cars in the US. As such, they require and are given more expensive materials & interior treatments. That can not be done in the states without raising the price prohibitively.<p>For the record, many, many studies on readability say the same thing: Digital readouts offer a quicker read, meaning less time with your eyes off the road. As with all things, some hold to tradition. But this interior layout will likely mark a new standard in safe, usable and more functional instrumentation. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for the insightful post Uber! Any chance you can be more specific regarding the digital gauges? What I'm really asking, "Will the dash/gauges we've seen on the Euro carry over to the NA model?" If not, are you saying that we'll only see the pod layout but with analog gauges? <p>Thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

caarmike
08-08-2005, 04:20 PM
I agree that digital gauges can be better than analog if they're designed well, and I wouldn't let them stop me from buying a particular car.<br>My guess is that they will be a hard sell to general public, though, which may mean cheaper Civics in the short term and a dash redesign in the long term.

anonms
08-08-2005, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lostJR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Guages should be digital, and you should be able to switch between metric and English (I think some cars have this now, but the makers aren't talking about it). </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Prius has a button that lets you switch between mph and km/h, so i'm sure the Civic would have one, too.

Uberwagon
08-08-2005, 07:23 PM
US version WILL get the "dual pod" instrumentation: Traditional needle tach inside the wheel, digital speedometer in "heads-up" pod above the steering wheel. All will be lit in Honda's luminescent blue for clearer readability. Interior will not be exactly like Euro version however. Different markets, different tastes, different cost and product planning structures, etc.

ixocean
08-08-2005, 07:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">US version WILL get the "dual pod" instrumentation: Traditional needle tach inside the wheel, digital speedometer in "heads-up" pod above the steering wheel. All will be lit in Honda's luminescent blue for clearer readability. Interior will not be exactly like Euro version however. Different markets, different tastes, different cost and product planning structures, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>One word says it all (for me):<p>B....E....A....U....T....I....F....U....L!<p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

caarmike
08-10-2005, 06:45 PM
Here's a picture of the sedan for the Asian market:<p><A HREF="http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/news/new_index.cgi?qry=index" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/news/new_index.cgi?qry=index</A><p>Looks almost exactly like the U.S. spy photos.<p>Kinda disappointing. The desgn is pure drama from the front until you get to the rear door, then its just blah. Did the designers go on lunch break and let interns finish the back or something. Maybe it will look better from a lower angle.<br>

SV
08-10-2005, 07:24 PM
it looks way better in that picture than in the spy pics, although i guess that should be expected. too bad it doesn't look as dramatic as the euro model, but it's still a nice design <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
08-10-2005, 11:47 PM
that looks good...much better than the spy shots...are there any other pictures???interior?rear?

Andre
08-10-2005, 11:52 PM
btw, That's the Canadian Market Acura EL

MtViewGuy188
08-11-2005, 07:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>caarmike</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's a picture of the sedan for the Asian market:<p><A HREF="http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/news/new_index.cgi?qry=index" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/news/new_index.cgi?qry=index</A><p>Looks almost exactly like the U.S. spy photos.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That may be the first picture of the truly <i>undisguised</i> 2006 Civic sedan I've seen. This could be an "official" picture of the new car that the Taiwanese magazine managed to get early.<p>I actually like the design--the car appears to have a <i>lot</i> of interior space and at least the nose design isn't as plain-looking as I originally thought. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
08-11-2005, 09:34 AM
Where is the photo of the Civic?<br>I see a Mitsubishi.

anonms
08-11-2005, 09:58 AM
Yesterday, it was a Civic.

ixocean
08-11-2005, 05:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where is the photo of the Civic?<br>I see a Mitsubishi.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <A HREF="http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:nhc6cjNf_RQJ:www.autonet.com.tw/+&hl=en&client=firefox-a" TARGET="_blank">http://64.233.187.104/search?q...fox-a</A>

LEXUS FAN!
08-11-2005, 05:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ixocean</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <A HREF="http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:nhc6cjNf_RQJ:www.autonet.com.tw/+&hl=en&client=firefox-a" TARGET="_blank">http://64.233.187.104/search?q...fox-a</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>more specifically<p><A HREF="http://newsimg.autonet.com.tw/news/img/2005/8/ba50801991.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://newsimg.autonet.com.tw/...1.jpg</A>

Buster
08-11-2005, 06:43 PM
Th Civic sedan will continue to dominate it's segment. Honda quality, innovation in powertrains and just having something new will motivate the sheep. <br>The coupe looks rather nice, bye bye Scion tC, the Civic coupe is going to stomp it.

ixocean
08-11-2005, 08:03 PM
It seems pretty clear from the image on the Taiwan site mentioned above and the spy photos we've seen, that the NA version's headlights will NOT be similar. There is a clear, straight line on the spy shots which wouldn't allow for the design seen in the Taiwan image. I have to wonder also about the side mirror turn signal indicators. Unless perhaps we'll see different side mirrors installed aside from what we've seen on the cars in the spy shots. Anyone..? <br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
08-11-2005, 10:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ixocean</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems pretty clear from the image on the Taiwan site mentioned above and the spy photos we've seen, that the NA version's headlights will NOT be similar. There is a clear, straight line on the spy shots which wouldn't allow for the design seen in the Taiwan image. I have to wonder also about the side mirror turn signal indicators. Unless perhaps we'll see different side mirrors installed aside from what we've seen on the cars in the spy shots. Anyone..? <br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i was thinking about that...and your right about the headlights...maybe it will look like that for an update or maybe that is an option to make the headlights look like that

Andre
08-12-2005, 12:36 AM
AGAIN, THE CIVIC IN THE TAIWANESE MAGAZINE ALSO SHOWS THE CANADIAN ACURA EL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<p>PLEASE READ!!!<p>Grrrr

LEXUS FAN!
08-12-2005, 11:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">AGAIN, THE CIVIC IN THE TAIWANESE MAGAZINE ALSO SHOWS THE CANADIAN ACURA EL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<p>PLEASE READ!!!<p>Grrrr</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok...but that doesn't mean the same version is coming to the US...does it?<p>relax

nismo
08-12-2005, 02:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Buster</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. <br>The coupe looks rather nice, bye bye Scion tC, the Civic coupe is going to stomp it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The tC will probably continue to do just fine because I highly doubt the Civic is going to match it value wise. The Current EX cost as much as the tC if not more without featuring perfomance or content that can match. It would be nice if the EX gets around 160hp and a similar price tag but I don't see that happening... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
08-12-2005, 05:49 PM
That won't be a facelift, that version isn't coming to the US. the one coming to North America badged as the civic will be edgier and sportier, and will not resemble an Ion Coupe from the front.

Blackraven
08-12-2005, 10:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>more specifically<p><A HREF="http://newsimg.autonet.com.tw/news/img/2005/8/ba50801991.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://newsimg.autonet.com.tw/...1.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow, that sedan pic looks nice.<p>Also, I noticed that the steering wheel is on the right. Could this mean that this is for the Japanese market (JDM) which will also be the Civic for Asia?<p>Oh, and I hope they keep those turn signal indicators. They look real nice on that Civic.

caarmike
08-14-2005, 04:27 PM
There's several new pictures today at:<p><A HREF="http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t92308.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t92308.html</A><p>It's an undisguised US spec sedan. Although it was a bit too dark to get a good look at the exterior, somehow the interior light was left on, so we get our first look at the U.S. 2006 Civic dash. I'll say its arguably more radical than the Euro model. (See photo four)

SV
08-14-2005, 04:39 PM
nice find <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> the exterior looks far better than in other spy pictures, but that interior is borderline offensive, and i've never said that about any japenese car. i think it's mostly the color, but i can't really imagine it looking much better in, say, a monochromatic black scheme. i mean, i'm sure it's all high quality and ergonomically sound, but does that interior have to look like it came out of a 1986 civic instead of a 2006 civic?<p>i'll wait until official pictures come out to pass a final judgement, but for now, these interior pictures leave me a little worried <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
08-14-2005, 04:51 PM
I like the interior <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> its like a mix of Audi A6 & Honda Ridgeline, althought i do not consider the Civic "driver oriented", all the controls facing the driver is a nice design. The steering wheel needs to go back to the mothership..<p>Oh and nice, LED taillights

against the wall
08-14-2005, 04:56 PM
it will still sell well though. <br>that interior is horrendous <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> . the steering wheel looks like it would be better upside down. cant really tell what the edxterior looks like cuz its dark and so is the color. the rear lights look like they came off a facelifted 7er. and i love that bumper sticker.

anonms
08-14-2005, 05:08 PM
OH WOW. If my parents decide to trade the minivan for a car for me instead of letting me have the Prius, I want a Civic hybrid. That's a nice interior and a nice exterior IMO (surprising considering how horrible the Ridgeline's interior was and how horrible Honda's exteriors as of lately have been).<p>But a hybrid 5-door in the US would be better.

Soul Man
08-14-2005, 05:20 PM
i dont know i find the interior to be not bad, i actually think i like it. The only real gripe i have is that 2 spoke steering wheel, which just should nop tbe there i hope they hvae like a sports package on the sedan which at least throws in the three spoke weve seen on the hatch, and the si spy pics. I also dont like the gearshiftboot. The spaceball thing liek the s60 for the manual is pretty cool, but something about making the automatic transmission gearselector sort of mimic it kind of turns me off. plus as i said before from what i cna make out of that exterior i think i like, becuase to me with htose 5 spoke rims it reminds me of a little TL

knicks125
08-14-2005, 05:22 PM
I agree with bonzo and SV. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> on the exterior; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> on the interior.<p>The same on the Accord facelift.

DoMiNo
08-14-2005, 06:15 PM
Oh sweet, Nav! Just what I want on my economy car! I'm so glad Honda has my priorities in mind!

justfrancis
08-14-2005, 06:22 PM
Wow that interior is... :P UGLY! Whats with the color... it seems like some beige olive color... horrendous.. however the exterior is beautiful and so is the driver controls. But what this car needs is aluminum trim not manganese and a black and color accented seats like the mazda 3. The main prob with this car is sporty exterior meets 80's cadillac interior

tek2k
08-14-2005, 06:27 PM
forget about the civic, what about that hideous solara lol

caarmike
08-14-2005, 06:41 PM
I'm the opposite of almost everyone here on this. I love the interior in the tan color. It has a sci-fi look backed up with good ergonomics. It looks more spacious and luxurious than that European model. Its the exterior that has me worried though. The sagging roof and trunklines really take away from the impact of the bold front end.

Speedster S
08-14-2005, 07:03 PM
i dont feel that the steering wheel macthes the rest of the interior. But I like the speedometer.

anonms
08-14-2005, 07:24 PM
I think it matches the interior. It looks somewhat futuristic (which is why it appeals to me in the first place).

SV
08-14-2005, 07:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tek2k</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">forget about the civic, what about that hideous solara lol</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i hope you're comparing exteriors, because, style-wise, the solara's interior is light years ahead of this new civic, at least if the spy pictures are anything to go by. at least, that's my opinion, and i don't see how the solara's interior could be seen as "ugly" by anyone anyway.<p>anyway, hopefully the interior will look better in person and in press pics, because i'm rather fond of the current civic and i really want to like the new one.<p>P.S. i forgot about the nav system, nice <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
08-14-2005, 07:55 PM
SV is correct, the Solara does have one of the nicest interiors, I would know that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Agreed with Domino about the Navi. Thanks Honda for consider us budget shoppers - what's another 2k on top of the measly 15k we can only afford on a car.<p>To me, Honda is trying a bit too hard on this. The current Civic works well, why fight it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

FordRules
08-14-2005, 08:03 PM
I thought a nav in a civic was funny.I also thought a Mark Lt without one was funny.That sounds funny: My civic has a nav but your lincoln dosnt?

anonms
08-14-2005, 08:21 PM
Hahahaha Proof that Honda pwns.

LEXUS FAN!
08-14-2005, 10:38 PM
the exterior is quite nice<p>i have a big problem with that ugly steering wheel...that thing is hideous...other than that the interior is a bit weird...i will have to get used to it

RGAddison
08-14-2005, 11:07 PM
I really like the whole car,I have some bad vibes about the overall shape of the exterior,but the head&taillights are what impress me the most. the interior is unique,I guess we got our retro clothes&shoes,why not a retro interior?,good job honda,for now.

Dan J.
08-15-2005, 09:19 AM
The exterior is starting to grow on my but that dash looks a little busy for me too many curves and seperate areas, and that beige doesn't look so good either. I have a thing aginst beige. I am asuming the chrome "airplane wing" with the H in the center is going to be the new look for Hondas. The rear of the vehicle looks like an update of the current car. So far my feelings are so-so about this new Civic. I think I'd rather have a base Huyndai Sonata than this.

FordRules
08-15-2005, 10:09 AM
hey zoom zoom Fod Fusions got car of the year not sonata BTW Im not sure if i like this civic as much as the old one The old civic was better

knicks125
08-15-2005, 11:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ford_rules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey zoom zoom <B>Fod Fusions got car of the year </B>not sonata BTW Im not sure if i like this civic as much as the old one The old civic was better</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's funny b/c the Fusion is not even released. Did I miss something there? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I am warming up to this car after going back and seeing all of the pictures again; however, I am still unsure about the interior in relations to the whole car.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 2:35 PM 8/15/2005</i>

Uberwagon
08-15-2005, 01:12 PM
The current Civic is outclassed. This one is far, far better and, barf-beige aside, will have a very nice interior. The pre-production, without lights on and in this hideous colour, doesn't do it justice. Not everyone will be pleased, naturally, but it is a very nice evolution.

ndjan
08-15-2005, 02:28 PM
The interior is peculiar, but no neccessarily ugly. Hopefully Honda will offer multiple interior colors for every exterior (although they haven't historically), because that color scheme isn't working.<br>The exterior would be OK were it not for the oddly placed mirrors, and the too-close-to-Audi rear end.<p>As for the Nav, it makes perfect sense in an economy car. People in those cars are most likely to do a lot of traveling. I'm shopping for an economy car with a Nav because I'm in grad school and I have to visit many new clinics and campuses every week. It's a commuter's car, so it will be a desired option.

RetroJapan
08-15-2005, 02:33 PM
I think a lot has to do with the flash of the camera... Car interiors never come out right when taken with a flash... I'm sure it'll look half-decent (material color wise) once we see official pics...

anonms
08-15-2005, 03:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>As for the Nav, it makes perfect sense in an economy car. People in those cars are most likely to do a lot of traveling. I'm shopping for an economy car with a Nav because I'm in grad school and I have to visit many new clinics and campuses every week. It's a commuter's car, so it will be a desired option.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think any car intended for younger audiences should have a navigation system. Most of my friends have no sense of direction and get lost easily.

nismo
08-15-2005, 05:57 PM
Not bad. It sort of has a mini-TL look to it like someone mentioned. The interior is going to get some time to get use to though...<p>Can't wait to see it in person <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Doesn't it go onsale next month...?

Redline
08-15-2005, 06:30 PM
I personally love this, I might actually look at one in a couple of years, if the fuel economy is good. I'm just glad to see the interior wasn't watered down for the US.

GrandSlam
08-17-2005, 11:58 AM
I like the idea of a navigation system in a Civic.<p>But then again, could it be a trip computer like those in the MDX and the previous generation RX? <p>Just a thought.

knicks125
08-17-2005, 12:07 PM
First of all, welcome and enjoy your stay.<p>The trip computer you mentioned, do you mean those that provide to you info about MPG, miles driven, etc? I am fairly sure this is the full operational navigation system.<p>As for the idea, it's good to have it as an option, but I am just not sure how many civic buyers would actually go for the option. Not many, I speculate.

anonms
08-17-2005, 12:38 PM
I'm hoping the USDM Civic will have those ULTR seats. It'd be an awesome compensation for the Hybrid's lack of fold-down rear seats.<p><br>I believe that it's a full navi system, as indicated by the buttons surrounding the screen. The trip computer wil most likely reside near the tach, if a trip computer were to be offered. (In the EURO Civic, the trip computer is an LCD centered in the tach)

LEXUS FAN!
08-17-2005, 01:00 PM
one of the people who replied on toyotanation.com said the front looks like a saturn, and now that i look...it really does

caarmike
08-17-2005, 02:58 PM
Honda is now unveiling the 2006 Civic at events around the country.<p><A HREF="http://www.civicparties.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.civicparties.com</A>/<p>They start today (August 17)<br>Although these "Civic Parties" are not being accompanied by a release of photos, I can't imagine how they'll be able to keep it a secret after this.

against the wall
08-17-2005, 03:45 PM
omg theyre bringing one to san francisco. sucks im only gonna be in sf til sunday and then im off to vegas. someone who lives in the bay area has to go to this. it will be pretty cool.

ixocean
08-17-2005, 06:15 PM
Anyone in LA planning to go tonight? Don't forget the cam! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
08-17-2005, 06:20 PM
I probably can't go. Boo hoo hoo.

anonms
08-18-2005, 10:05 AM
OMFG. This is beautiful.<p><br>Courtesy of <A HREF="http://airbrett.blogspot.com" TARGET="_blank">http://airbrett.blogspot.com</A>/, I present you the Civic Hybrid that was at the Civic Preview Party in LA yesterday.<p><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/1600/CIMG0036%20(Small).jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/320/CIMG0037%20%28Small%29.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/1600/CIMG0035%20(Small)2.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/320/CIMG0033%20%28Small%292.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/320/CIMG0034%20%28Small%292.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/320/CIMG0030%20%28Small%292.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/320/CIMG0031%20%28Small%292.JPG" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by anonms at 10:32 AM 8/18/2005</i>

sanbar778
08-18-2005, 10:31 AM
Uhm, not exactly beautiful in my book, I still think i would rather have a Prius. This must b e the hybrid judging by those small pie-pan wheels...

GrandSlam
08-18-2005, 10:38 AM
Yeah, the wheels are ... interesting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
08-18-2005, 12:18 PM
Good job Honda...covering the emblem at your own party<p>As if we didn't know anything...<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>While I like the progress on some parts of the car, both this and the Accord facelift is a step backward. I like the current model for both much better.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 3:35 PM 8/18/2005</i>

sanbar778
08-18-2005, 12:34 PM
Haha I didn't even notive that the emblems were covered. They must think people are VERY stupid, the steering wheel has a bright silver "Honda" symbol on it.

Ascariss
08-18-2005, 02:27 PM
the front is horrid, rear is ok, the side profile ain't bad, hope the plastics look better in the production version.<p>let's cover up the badges when there is a large blue honda logo in the background.<p>ahahah the interior looks horribly wrong, almost like honda was trying to pull off a concept look or something of that nature. The right vent on the drivers side looks kinda close to the steering wheel. Does the sat nav screen need to be that large? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> it almost seems as if honda is planning on overing a dvd player inside and plugs to hook up your new ps3. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I agree with knicks, this and the accord facelift are a step backwards, a large step.

SV
08-18-2005, 03:38 PM
i like the side of the car, but otherwise i've decided it's one of the most dissapointing redesigns in my memory aesthetically (i'm sure the car itself is great). the grille is OK and the headlights are nice, but the whole front end is brought down (no pun intended) by the droopy bumper and the horizontally-flat design. the rear, with its creased decklid, doesn't look much more modern than the current civic, and the part of the taillights inside the trunklid seem slapped on to me (not to mention it's an audi ripoff, and done rather more poorly). the interior is disgusting; i still think it looks like a car out of the 80s with a few modern features slapped on like an afterthought (steering wheel, navigation system). i wish they could have just used the euro civic interior; the USDM and euro/JDM accord all have the same dash design, why can't the civic? overall, it has some nice details but the design as a whole isn't very pleasant to look at <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

zwei Biere bitte
08-18-2005, 03:55 PM
I'm agreeing with you guys... it looks horrid. The front is all drooping, the wheels are, umm, interesting, and the back looks like it was taken off of a new Audi. The interior looks like a complete mess. The 2 spoke steering wheel is as pretty as dirt. Did I mention the interior is ugly? <p>Defiently a step backwards. The European Civic looks great, this looks awful.

caarmike
08-18-2005, 04:14 PM
I'll be contrarian here by saying I really like the look of it in this shot.<br> <IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/320/CIMG0037%20%28Small%29.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This is the first decent looking shot from the rear. My opinion on this car changes with each set of photos. I think I'll have to see it in the flesh before I can really decide what I think. One thing for sure though, Honda deserves props for trying a daring design on a mainstream car. Time will tell if this is a great design or not, but regardless of how things turn out this is far better than the same-old, same-old.

LEXUS FAN!
08-18-2005, 04:22 PM
i don't think it is that daring of a design...i agree that my opinion changes with every shot though<p>i have mixed feelings about the front...it is a bit of a bore, but it is still interesitng...i really like the front of it w/ the current generation..<p>why would Honda cover up the badge desgin when it didn't do so for the steering wheel??...haha is that the hybrid version or regular?<p>i really like the back...it is really nice

Dodger
08-18-2005, 05:13 PM
I don't like the tail lights or the steering wheel. I do like the interior and all the switch gear and the gage cluster though. From the front this car could be a Saturn with that grille.

sanbar778
08-18-2005, 05:30 PM
I guess I just don't like the overall shape of the sedan. It just looks like a small car. In my eyes the Mazda3 looks more "grown-up." This car looks tall and narrow I donno...

LEXUS FAN!
08-18-2005, 09:39 PM
<A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c002.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c003.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c004.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c001.jpg</A><p>now that is a nice steering wheel<br>

Soul Man
08-18-2005, 09:45 PM
i can already tell with the sedan with those 5 spoke wheel and that 3 spoke steering wheel with that stick is the choice ride. this cars styling i can tell is actually goign to be very dependent upon wheels and color, hence why the hybrid doesnt look that good (bad wheels) while these civic sedans with those 5 spoke wheels make them look like mini TL's. Im assuming that the 3 spoke steering wheel and stick are on that 5 spoke rimmed sedan if so i want that car but in white

synthesis
08-18-2005, 09:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't like the tail lights or the steering wheel. I do like the interior and all the switch gear and the gage cluster though. From the front this car could be a Saturn with that grille.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>funny, from the pics in the last post, i think the steering wheel and taillights are the best part of the car. i also do like how the shoulder line continues onto the top of the fender and down to the front corner. everything else about the proportions of the exterior reminds me of a much smaller car. this tall roof thing has gone far enough.

jhaber
08-18-2005, 10:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c002.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c003.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c004.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c001.jpg</A><p>now that is a nice steering wheel<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Looks like there are two options for side mirrors too... image 002 has the smaller, sportier ones, while image 004 has the bulkier ones with the integrated turn signals. So far I like what I see, though I wish I'd known about the Boston party which ended a few hours ago. Woulda gone down and added some pics of my own for you all. <br>*

LEXUS FAN!
08-18-2005, 10:06 PM
it looks like it is the same side mirror, but it is hard to tell

knihc2008
08-18-2005, 11:54 PM
this car looks pretty bad, a prius gone bad and then trying to turn back into a sedan. the rear: what's going on there? so many lines, busy taillamps. the whole car looks like a lump, especially with the extreme cab forward styling, mixed in with a simple slabby front. and the interior looks cheap, with a misplaced navigation screen and plain square ac vents. the only inkling of stylistic promise is in the steering wheel, which they borrow from the ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS euro version.<p>bring the euro version!

Hornbag
08-19-2005, 03:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>caarmike</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll be contrarian here by saying I really like the look of it in this shot.<br> <IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3389/1306/320/CIMG0037%20%28Small%29.jpg" BORDER="0"><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Fully agree <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It looks like a very big car in this picture. Still not keen on the inside tho, and tail lights are so Audi... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
08-19-2005, 04:10 AM
I love the double bubble feature. Euro accord will have it as well. BTW, for those of you who think that this interior is hideous, just go take a look to the one in the new Euro Accord hatch. The US accord is far better IMO.<p>Rear is a big big big disappointment, mostly after seeing the concepts in page2/3 of this thread. I think Honda can do much better than this. I wonder, why is Honda much more daring in Europe than in the States?. The image and perception of the brand differs a lot here than there, i understand that in the US Honda is seen as a very boring brand?

knicks125
08-19-2005, 05:55 AM
Generally speaking, US Hondas are more conservative than those of european counterparts. The success of Honda in the US has not been driven by the looks of the its products; rather, the appeal comes from factors such as price, reliablity, quality, etc.<p>You almost have to be less daring (conservative) in the US market, it's like they say, "rather be safe than sorry". A big market you cannot take a chance to create a product that has even the slightest chance to fail. It's almost to the point, given Honda sales volume, a bland product must exist, to appeal to the masses and not just those who prefer one factor of the car, like styling (which almost comes secondary to mass consumers in relations to price, reliabilty, quality, etc). A "looker" will only appeal to certain groups, I hate to say it but the only way to create a product that appeal to the masses is a bland one.

Ascariss
08-19-2005, 09:00 AM
The probelm lies in the fact that the car will be rebadged as the EL in Canada, so it had to have some "acura" styling, but it shares too much if you ask me.

DSC-OFF
08-19-2005, 10:42 AM
You see a lot of the cab-forward design/Dodge Intrepid in that shot, i wonder what the coefficient of drag is in this new body, it just looks so aerodynamic which will bode well for the Hybrid. Another thing not to overlook is the trunksize of this thing, it must have grown at least 10-20%

StevenZoz
08-19-2005, 11:19 AM
are these pics from one of the civic release parties? or is it still too early for that?

knicks125
08-19-2005, 11:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are these pics from one of the civic release parties? or is it still too early for that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>YES...

DSC-OFF
08-19-2005, 12:40 PM
Oh no wonder they covered up their own badges..i guess if i was throwing a party for my new baby brother id cover him up too in black duct tape <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
08-19-2005, 01:59 PM
I can't vouch for what the marketing people were thinking (a dirty car with covered up badging at a launch party?!) but the trunk is actually slightly smaller than previously. The rear suspension has been redesigned to compensate for the previous gen's smaller but underperforming setup. That has encroached on rear storage a bit more but provides superior ride and handling quality.

thedesigner
08-20-2005, 12:39 PM
Maybe I missed it but has anyone mentioned that Honda should get sued my Audi. The tail-lights/trunk is one of the most blatant examples plagarism I'm ever seen in the automotive industry. Holy crap!!! Too bad designs can't be protected. On a positive note the European interior made it over here totally unmolested. Kudos for Honda's bravery... Intrepid meets Mazda 3 meets Current Civic meets the Audi A4's butt? The Jetta certainly looks awful next to this... and I don't even dig Hondas. <br>As for the A4... LOL<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <A HREF="http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://webpages.charter.net/turizmo/c003.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br><A HREF="http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Audi-S4-SA-RA-1024x768.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.seriouswheels.com/p...8.jpg</A><br>

LEXUS FAN!
08-20-2005, 12:51 PM
the taillights is similar to the Audi, but it is a bit bigger

Redline
08-20-2005, 01:00 PM
You're kidding about all that right? How could Audi sue Honda? Because they used the same basic idea? So every time someone writes an essay based on a theme they're plagarising everyone else writing one because they're using the same basic idea? Plus I'm really not seeing the 3 or Intrepid in this car. Finally the interior actually was changed, it has similarities, but it does have quite a few differences, though it is an unexpected move from Honda.

LEXUS FAN!
08-20-2005, 02:34 PM
i think he was speaking sarcastically about sueing...but i'm not sure

CosworthKid
08-21-2005, 04:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thedesigner</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe I missed it but has anyone mentioned that Honda should get sued my Audi. The tail-lights/trunk is one of the most blatant examples plagarism I'm ever seen in the automotive industry. Holy crap!!! Too bad designs can't be protected. On a positive note the European interior made it over here totally unmolested. Kudos for Honda's bravery... Intrepid meets Mazda 3 meets Current Civic meets the Audi A4's butt? The Jetta certainly looks awful next to this... and I don't even dig Hondas. <br>As for the A4... LOL<p><A HREF="http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Audi-S4-SA-RA-1024x768.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.seriouswheels.com/p...8.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is a common thing the past 5-6 years or so(in particular).It seems like car designers follow fashion trends in the same way that designers of other fields do.So any similarities between an Audi and a Honda are probably considered to be part of a trend..just as long as the shape/size of the car looks different enough. Plus check out the facelifted Citroen C5 for an even bigger similarity. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>

Nodnarb
08-22-2005, 07:22 AM
I guess no one went to the Boston party. There are two more today. One in Sayreville, New Jersy and the other in San Francisco. Perhaps we wil get another round of pics this evening or tomorrow. Unless Honda is a lot tighter on cameras at these than the one in LA.

Uberwagon
08-22-2005, 01:31 PM
Similarities between the Audi and Civic tail light treatments are purely coincidental. Honda's was established in development almost three years ago, long before the new Audi lights were revealed. These things happen. Designers never copy others. Besides, Audi sells quite a lot fewer A4's to Honda's Civic so I'm not sure Honda would be keen to call their design a success.

anonms
08-23-2005, 09:55 AM
<A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message%5fid=393255&news%5fitem%5fid=390953" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/forums/one...90953</A><p>More pictures. I think it looks better with a nav, but the non-nav version looks nice.

lawandorder360
08-23-2005, 10:12 AM
The blue coupe is an Si, correct?

anonms
08-23-2005, 10:27 AM
Yeah, it's an Si.<br>The red one should be an EX and the silver one's a hybrid (why is it that the silver one in almost all of the spy shots have been hybrids, anyways?).

LEXUS FAN!
08-23-2005, 11:55 AM
the blue color is really nice, and i think the non-nav interior looks much cleaner

Ultomato
08-23-2005, 01:45 PM
these new pictures really make the new civic stand out, LOVE the interior btw<p>question: are the wheels on the red sedan going to be an option cuz they are nice

LEXUS FAN!
08-23-2005, 01:57 PM
how can you tell what the wheels on the red sedan are?<p>there are no picturs of them, and it looks like the same ones as the silver sedan

Redline
08-23-2005, 01:58 PM
Wow, the coupe looks really good. Honda definently did a good job with this one.

Ultomato
08-23-2005, 02:06 PM
You can clearly see on the first picture that the red one has different wheels than the silver<p>wait .. are they the same or different?

Redline
08-23-2005, 03:12 PM
The wheels are different, but you can't really see them. I imagine the odd looking ones on the hybrid are going to be standard on the hybrid and the barely visible five-spoke wheels are going to be standard on the EX.

Uberwagon
08-23-2005, 05:15 PM
Yes, that is correct. Red car is an EX, as can be seen by 16" five spoke wheels. Si uses 17" and will eventually offer optional 18" with performance summer tires. Journalists are being briefed now but will be under embargo until the official unveiling next month. Hybrid will be available soon after and Si will be in stores in December. Pricing meeting was last night so announcement will follow soon.

LEXUS FAN!
08-23-2005, 07:59 PM
i didn't realize they only determine pricing a little before the launch...that is weird<p>so is there a meeting that the head honchos have and then break down the prices to eventually come up with an MSRP???<p>

Andre
08-23-2005, 09:48 PM
<A HREF="http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=393167&news_item_id=390953" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vtec.net/forums/one...90953</A><p>Bottom of thread (as of this posting) someone save the pics, blue Si in detail.

Naga Royal Guard
08-23-2005, 10:17 PM
looks like an RSX

sanbar778
08-24-2005, 08:21 AM
The coupe does look nice. The sedan on the other hand...The interior looks nice as well I like the two tone seating and everything but I really hate the whole tach, speedo area, looks very cheap, esp. the tach area (digital speedos never really bothered me). Certainly this will sell well but that is a function of the Civic name, not of the fact that this car is really superior, at least from a design point of view.

LEXUS FAN!
08-24-2005, 10:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sanbar778</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Certainly this will sell well but that is a function of the Civic name, not of the fact that this car is really superior, at least from a design point of view.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>that's for sure

Redline
08-24-2005, 10:36 AM
I disagree, I rather like the design. Its different from the other cars in the class, its a very unique and bold design. Not like the cars its up against that put you to sleep just looking at them. Its also good to see that they still have alcantara inserts on the Si. I also like the rest of the interior, again, its refreshing and unique. I know it doesn't seem like many people like this, but I personally love it, I'm sick of all the boring cars in the low end segments and I'm glad to see someone finally made a design that isn't so dull.

anonms
08-24-2005, 10:54 AM
I like the designs considerably, as well. I'm not so fond of the coupe, but I'm really liking the sedan (especially the Hybrid-- the rims are interesting, to say the least).<p>The dash is definitely one of Honda's better recent designs, especially the location of the speedometer. It looks rather nice and modern (much unlike the clunky, dated Ridgeline's interior design, IMO).

knicks125
08-24-2005, 10:58 AM
Finally, someone was nice enought to take off the taped area - now we know it's a Civic <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">