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SV
09-17-2005, 05:13 PM
well, montgomery AG's "renaissance" and vast rollout of new models that began in 2002 with the SV100 MkIV is almost over, and it's now time for me to begin working on the next generation. this one model that i'm posting a preliminary sketch on will be, by far, the largest car design project i've ever done, and so far my work has evolved into this:<p><IMG SRC="http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2109/08montgomery3uf.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Powertrain</B><br>there will be a new generation of powerplants: direct-injection 1.8-litre naturally aspirated petrol and diesel fours as well as a turbocharged version, with a 3.2 V6 at the top of the range (basically an enlarged version of the current 3.0-litre engine) that should deliver 260-280bhp. a turbocharged 300+bhp RSport model is also a possibility, and would probably have all-wheel drive.<p><B>Technology</B><br>the car in particular that i'm posting (you can guess what it is but i'm not telling) will feature alot of gadgets and possibly a few major(ish) innovations. vibrating seats that activate when the car strays from its lane will at least be optional, and other features will include radar-based cruise control, adaptive headlights and suspension, a head-up display, and possibly night vision. an iDrive-style knob will probably also be used for navigation system control, to simplify the dashboard.<p><B>Pricing</B><br>this should give away what type of car this is: about $20,000 to $21,000 USD for the 1.8T, topping off at, most likely, over $30k for a fully loaded AWD V6 wagon. the RSport model will probably base around $35k.<p><U>the point of this thread is to see what you think of what i've done so far, so comments, suggestions, criticism, anything within reason really, are welcome</U> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

The Water Is Poison
09-17-2005, 05:46 PM
The thing's a beauty. Especially love the rims, very intricate

Kakairo
09-17-2005, 09:43 PM
Well, I say, the best thing to do at this point would be to sell your design to Ford so they can use it as the next-generation Mondeo. Your design is absolutely beautiful. I especially love the front intake--very unique.

knihc2008
09-17-2005, 11:00 PM
front intake and.. just a lot of it is nice. but the curves are just too. wonky. for me.

AXIS
09-18-2005, 08:13 AM
WOW SV, I'm impressed that you are taking risks with the Montgomery design language, However the air intake seems a little impractical. Overall the design is awesome I look forward to seeing the finished product.

Zephyrus
09-18-2005, 07:36 PM
its nice but styling looks like a cross European Ford,Jaguar,LexusVolkswagen,Volvo, and Alfa.

SV
09-18-2005, 07:49 PM
thanks for all the comments! i didn't think it would be all that well-recieved. i've redone the rear end and i'm gonna post it when i'm done studying, hopefully <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">front intake and.. just a lot of it is nice. but the curves are just too. wonky. for me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>the curves/wheelarches are gonna be toned down alot for the production version; i'm trying to make this a semi-radical car that still appeals to alot of people.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Zephyrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its nice but styling looks like a cross European Ford,Jaguar,LexusVolkswagen,Volvo, and Alfa.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> i admit there is some ford in it, but i've been trying to move away from that (it's harder than it sounds, because the basic headlight shape and grille design on this car have to be on all montgomerys). but i personally don't see any lexus, jaguar, or volvo in it; there is a little VW in the taillights and alfa around the front end, though, i guess, although any resemblance there was unintentional. thanks for the C & C though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

VexedandGlorious
09-19-2005, 11:41 AM
i dont know what it is but that face would look better on a coupe,(i am also going to use vibrating seats but for another reason.) you should also use different door handles..they mess up your designs to me..kinda shape-less and flat looking... and dont fit the design.....like a hummers dlo on an VW beetle.

ricerammer
09-19-2005, 01:45 PM
I love this design. So sexy yet simple. Very nice work. When can we expect a color version?

The Stig
09-20-2005, 05:23 AM
I really like what you have done here. <p>You have the car a very strong character line and managed to create a unique "face" for the car. I also like what you've done with the bottom front fascia- that is a unique element in an area where uniformity rules.<p>In my mind I think that the rear overhang is too short, or maybe the wheels are too wide, or something, because from the rear it doesnt look as planted as the front.<p>My final comment is in regards to price. You have created a beautiful piece here, but I think that the price that this car is hoping to fill is a little ambitious. I would say with the complexity of the design and the lines on the car that it would be better suited fighting the A4, Scubie Legacy GT and Mazdaspeed 6. <p>Are these just hypothetical cars you make up? Because you put a lot of thought into it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
09-20-2005, 06:48 AM
OMG!!!!<p>*tries to say something intelligent but prefers to just admire the drawing instead *

SV
09-20-2005, 08:53 PM
thanks for the comments <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>ricerammer - thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> there probably won't be one soon, but i may color it like i did the brezza concept. the final version of this car isn't due for...well...2 years =/ yeah i'm starting on this real early lol.<p>The Stig - glad you like it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> these are made-up cars for my made-up car brand (the lineup is on the second page of this section right now). as for the price, this car is supposed to compete with the mondeo, passat, vectra, camry and accord, so i didn't want pricing to be too high. the $20k base is already a pretty substantial hike over the price of the current version too. i agree that the rear wheel/overhang is a little off, i'll go and fix that later (i did this revised version a few days ago)<p>Superfresa - thanks, i'm really glad you like it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>okay, here's a revised version. just tweaking the rear end. i dunno if i like this or the original better, but this one will probably be closer to the final design, i think it's more cohesive at least:<p><IMG SRC="http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7295/2008sketch8oi.jpg" BORDER="0">

Nath
09-21-2005, 01:22 AM
<A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=16828" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=16828</A><br>heres my competitor... maybe sometime we should get cars of simular size and market together on the same page... might be interesting to see how different people see different markets

AXIS
09-21-2005, 12:18 PM
maybe it's just me but I find the door handles to be rather huge

knihc2008
09-21-2005, 12:22 PM
i liked the original rear end better but yeah you need more rear overhang. also, you should have the side lean in towards the center as it gets higher towards the character line... it'll make it look beefier, maybe.

Hornbag
09-21-2005, 09:41 PM
SV!!! <p>Where do i start...Headllights and tail lights are spot on! Truly beautiful. Those wheels are something BMW should use, i just love BMW wheels. The side is a true representation of how curves mix so well! I see Masser, Ford and Volvo, and u have combined small hints of these into an amazing design that is now my fav of yours!<p>Congats man!

Nath
09-22-2005, 06:34 AM
i like it, one of the best on here... like to see inside and a colour version ... good light on those curves will be good

phoenix1
09-26-2005, 02:21 PM
i love it except for the rims. the design of the car is simple but the rims are too intricate. they dont go together.

Nath
09-26-2005, 03:46 PM
like the ones on the rear view

SV
09-26-2005, 08:56 PM
thanks for the comments <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> well, i decided to do an all-out render of this design, so i did. i made some modifications though, mainly on the side (i decided to drop the huge arches because i thought they would be too controversial anyway). i was kinda inspired by the aston martin V8 vantage for the side, just having everything really simple and curvaceous at the same time. i'm satisfied with it, but it scanned horribly. i don't know what it is with red colored pencil that makes it scan so poorly, but it just comes out all pixelly. it looks way, way better in person. anyway, here you are:<p><IMG SRC="http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9284/2008montgomeryrender7tj.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV100 at 4:24 PM 9/27/2005</i>

knihc2008
09-26-2005, 09:46 PM
ummm... it looks good but just sorta normal now. nothing special, nothing we haven't seen before, unlike your original sketches.

Magical Trevor
09-28-2005, 05:50 PM
I have to say, I liked the sketch better, with the big front curves. Sure, it's a bit extreme, but doesn't the segment you're going for need a bit more excitement? Now it looks like a luxury sedan (not a bad thing), but with automakers putting more and more emphasis on their designs in that segment your design looks too blended-in (specifically the hood; the raised hood design really reminds me of the new-range Lex.....-i?uses? :p. I'd rather see the engine compartment in a "pit" of sorts between the front wheel arches-sort of a stretch but take Le Mans prototypes for example. Ahead of the cockpit the highest points on those cars are the wheels/fenders-sure, they're mid-engined, but you can still kinda simulate that-of course, this is only what I prefer as well). Sorry, I got rambling-I kinda like the new Ford Fusion's design and, as far as looks, I'd take your sketch over that in a heartbeat.<p>Either way, fantastic work! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Magical Trevor at 6:05 PM 9/28/2005</i>

SV
09-28-2005, 07:09 PM
thanks for the C&C <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> well, since the big arches seem to be the prefered style, i'll go with those. they're more distinctive anyway, and that's exactly what i'm aiming for. i may do a render of the original design, and i want to go with red again, but i'm running a little low on red. i guess i'll have to go with blue or something...anyway, you can probably expect a new render in the next few days or so, depending on a) whether i do it or not and b) how much schoolwork i have to do. anyway thanks for the input, i hope to see more comments <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Nath
09-28-2005, 07:48 PM
like your sketching style, going to be doing anymore?

Hornbag
09-29-2005, 03:27 AM
SV, i like it more it looks more tammed to be honest, and i like that. Mabey its that angle, but it just looks like its gona drive out of my screen! Top job

Nath
10-01-2005, 06:30 PM
any interiordesigns, jus realised your 14, interesting to compare what i was designing at 14....

SV
10-01-2005, 10:28 PM
i've done interior sketches, but nothing's colored and i'm not planning on posting any of them any time soon...right now i'm working on a photoshop version of a new sketch of this car (with the big fenders). and...well...it's hard. does anyone know of any really detailed tutorials to help? i downloaded the trial version of adobe CS2, and i used husseindesign's tutorial on the old CSS to see what to do. it helped, but i'm lost on how to do reflections. does anyone know if there's a (very detailed and specific) tutorial on reflections?

Zephyrus
10-02-2005, 11:21 AM
wow!!!!thats beautiful!!!!though i am getting an Iosis vibe from this.i love it!i think the grille should be pointed at the end and chrome mirrors would hurt.

SV
03-17-2006, 10:07 PM
i dont really want to make a whole new thread for this, so i'm just going to add on to this one. <p><IMG SRC="http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/117/20088jy.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>sorry for the bad quality - it was just a rough sketch. i've gotten rid of the arches since i couldn't make them look good without going all "conservative," but i'm still going for radical. right now i like how it's coming out; i'm going to smooth out and simplify the front end to make it less iosis-like, which it turned out to be on accident, but other than that this is the vision i have of what this car will look like. also, i'm trying to make it radical but not too radical; in pretend (of course) this car would need to appeal to a worldwide audience, since the current version (in pretend) sells at a rate of about 650,000 units a year...so anyway, this is basically what i have in mind right now, i just need to refine some details and stuff...i need to get the final design down soon though, i have some interesting little sneak peaks (spy shots maybe?) to post in the future.<p>so stay tuned for the final car in frankfurt 2007!

VexedandGlorious
03-21-2006, 12:41 PM
looks promising..ive used that headlamp dsign before i guess great minds tthink alike eh?

Mil
03-22-2006, 10:58 AM
or stupid ones to...lol...jokes...nice try and good designs

DaDesign
03-25-2006, 03:40 PM
man that is sweet, great word once again