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Andre
04-07-2005, 02:48 PM
These were shot on a cell phone camera in Italy by "Max" He states that the exhaust pipes were turned down in the fashion a diesel car's pipes are, and the engine made a dieselly sound.<p><IMG SRC="http://img135.exs.cx/img135/5923/ffsc0038gj.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img135.exs.cx/img135/234/ffsc0026vg.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>anybody know anything of this car? any more pictures?<p>Thank you Max, sorry we took so long to get this up.

Ascariss
04-07-2005, 02:56 PM
lol I don't check the css email, so my bad as well. <p>any chance it's testing a diesel for the 4porte as well? but why? something is iffy with those pics though, almost like the exhaust looks fake.

skoochythatone
04-07-2005, 03:02 PM
That would be really weird to have such a high performance car consuming Diesel. Imagine yourself at a gas station and the guy with the Ferrari fills his car up with Diesel.<p>But I guess even Ferrari is thinking about ways to help their customers save money, Diesel(at least in Europe) has gotten more expensive, but is still cheaper than regular gas. And considering the torque advantage of Diesel, this might be an option...even though the thought of a Ferrari or any other sports car using Diesel is awkard..

Andre
04-07-2005, 03:11 PM
Wasn't Porsche or Lamborghini going to be developing a diesel as well?

skoochythatone
04-07-2005, 03:13 PM
I remember talks about Porsches thoughts to develop a Diesel..but I personally would not want that. It could do some damage to Porsches image.

Superfresa
04-07-2005, 03:44 PM
<B>WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!</B><p>We Finally got round to Diesel Sports cars! yeah I'm definitely Hiperactive now!! <p>I really hope this car kicks ass totally.<p>I defend this idea totally. Diesels have got round to a point where they are nearly embarrassing petrol engines. There's nothing slow, noisy or truckish about them lately, and it can do a lot for environment, economy and so on, then this is a great idea, + people will get used to knowing that diesels are perfectly up to date.<p>I'm a new Ferrari Fan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
04-07-2005, 03:52 PM
Lets just hope that they will use particle filters at least...

KebabGud
04-07-2005, 04:14 PM
this might be too cool

Naga Royal Guard
04-07-2005, 04:19 PM
will make the Scagletti even more odd

art0
04-08-2005, 12:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>But I guess even Ferrari is thinking about ways to help their customers save money, Diesel(at least in Europe) has gotten more expensive, but is still cheaper than regular gas. And considering the torque advantage of Diesel, this might be an option....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't want to start new diesel vs gas war, but.......save the money? In car worth 250.000 USD? Who cares about fuel consumpton?

erzhik
04-08-2005, 04:12 AM
why would you make a diesel for a exotic car? I mean diesel has a bad sound

Top Secret
04-08-2005, 04:35 AM
Engine made a 'dieselly' sound? What's up with that? And where would they get the engine? Don't tell me they are actually making a whole new diesel engine!<p>And Lamborghini is apparently developing a diesel V10 from the Touareg to fit into the Gallardo.

KebabGud
04-08-2005, 04:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Engine made a 'dieselly' sound? What's up with that? </TD></TR></TABLE><br>never heard a diesel engine have you?<p>is not a bad sound.. an moden day diesel engine does not have that "klank" sound anymore.. just look at BMWs new diesels..<p>i think this is a good thing.. its about time

Top Secret
04-08-2005, 05:11 AM
No, I have heard diesel engines, but what I was trying to get at is that the difference in sound between a diesel engine and petrol engine is very slight - it's pretty difficult nowadays to differentiate between the two engines.

KebabGud
04-08-2005, 05:29 AM
yes .. but the "klank" sound is still there

carmaniac
04-08-2005, 07:07 AM
A diesel version of the Cayenne is sure to debut soon. The upcoming Panamera might be a cadidate as well. But I doubt either the Boxster or the 911 will get a diesel.

bolita
04-08-2005, 08:02 AM
If we look way into the future, perhaps hydrogen, hybrids and bio diesel will be the fuels of choice so it makes perfect sense to have a complete line up of diesel powered cars.<p>I guess I am an odd man out but I like the "clank" noise of diesels! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
04-08-2005, 08:08 AM
Those look like chops. Also, does it look the lower fascia in the second picture is lower than in the first? I could see makers like Porsche (which is higher volume, especially in europe) put out a diesel, but not Ferrari.

erzhik
04-08-2005, 08:37 AM
Diesel just doesn't sound right for Ferrari, Lambo or Porshe...<p>Just imagine: Ferrari F430 diesel... yakkk

Andre
04-08-2005, 11:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, I have heard diesel engines, but what I was trying to get at is that the difference in sound between a diesel engine and petrol engine is very slight - it's pretty difficult nowadays to differentiate between the two engines.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wouldn't say that. I caught two Audi A2s testing the TDI engine and recognized instantly that they were diesels. and no, the klank isn't nearly as bad any more as it was in the day of the big old mercedes diesels, but it is still there.<p>I looked pretty closely and don't see what could make them a chop, but I am not very skilled in that department, I sat on these for days trying to determine any reason they might be fake.

Andre
04-08-2005, 11:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These were shot on a cell phone camera in Italy by "Max" He states that the exhaust pipes were turned down in the fashion a diesel car's pipes are, and the engine made a dieselly sound.<p><IMG SRC="http://img135.exs.cx/img135/5923/ffsc0038gj.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img135.exs.cx/img135/234/ffsc0026vg.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>anybody know anything of this car? any more pictures?<p>Thank you Max, sorry we took so long to get this up.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Also keep in mind this may just be a mule testing the engine in a car which wil never get it, just so we end up scratching our heads. I think someone mentioned they may be testing it for the quattroporte to use, which would certainly make sense IMO. <p>It tests the engine<p>It makes us scratch our heads<p>It doesn't release any details on the model which would use it<p>and it explains why the fascia looks wierd

skoochythatone
04-08-2005, 11:55 AM
Now that you mention it I am not sure if these pics might be chops. Check out the left exhaust in the second pic, doesnt it look really fake?

phi
04-08-2005, 12:37 PM
I remember talks about Porsches thoughts to develop a Diesel..but I personally would not want that. It could do some damage to Porsches image. &lt;-- this was fake by a german satire magazine (spiggl instead of spiegel).<br>they talked about a 4.0l diesel, developing ~300bhp - but it was just fake<br>the magazin is called <p>link -&gt; <A HREF="http://www.zyn.de/spiggl_porsche_gtd/570762.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zyn.de/spiggl_porsche_gtd/570762.html</A>

KebabGud
04-08-2005, 03:33 PM
that was for the 911 ...<br>the stupid SUV thingy is getting a diesel engine..

erzhik
04-08-2005, 05:24 PM
to me this ferrari looks like a chop.. i mean not the car but the bumper..

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-09-2005, 03:58 AM
Hi guys,<p>unlike i can read here, Porsche will never have Diesel engine !!!... until 2010/12.<br>After, they will think about it if the US market turn on this kind of engine.<p>But, it's true that next Cayenne (probably the F/L) will have a Toyota electric engine (the same as RX400).<p>Source : PAG - Wendelin Wiedeking <p>I don't think that Ferrari is testing Diesel engine too, if they add to test something new, they will surely do it on a Maserati or into a heavy camo car because of brand image.<br>Moreover, these pictures are bloody chops!<p>Keep in mind that these car makers : Ferrari, Mas¬Ěrati, Porsche, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, etc... are for very rich and impassioned persons. So, they won't drive something which do "cloc cloc" because of gasoline's price.<p>If i were rich, i will never have a "cloc cloc" car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

iakovos
04-09-2005, 06:32 AM
Well... Maserati may have a 4.0L V8 Diesel in the Quattroporte rumoured at 330-340 HP and about 80 Nm of torque (!!!)<br>Alfa-Romeo will release a I5 2.4JTDm Brera and Spider this year, so Yes, Diesels are making their way into sport cars.. and not just for the fuel savings, but because European car makers have advanced these engine to the point where they can be better than the same size petrol engine.<p>That Ferrari may be just a mule for the Maserati Quattroporte

Comrade
04-09-2005, 07:41 AM
80 Nm? I think it's a lil' mo than dat... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-09-2005, 09:40 AM
"That Ferrari may be just a mule for the Maserati Quattroporte"<p>yeah ok !!!<p>so in the VW Group, Lamborghini mule are testing Diesel engine for Skoda's car ?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>They have enaugh money to build a no name/no brand test mule in order to create the surprise againts their competitors. <br>I think so... i hope for them, if not : they are stupid.<p>I have a good exemple of secret project for you : Cayenne has been tested in a high secret because Porsche wanted to create the surprise in order to have 3/4 years in advance against competitors.<p>I see no reason why Ferrari will take high risk to launch Diesel engine before Mas¬Ěrati or testing it into a Scaglieti in USA.<p><br>

sc43018
04-09-2005, 08:53 PM
This could also be a 575 replacement testing a diesel...remember that a post of some pics of the 575 maranello were with a scaglietti chopped body..... i know this sounds a bit far fetched, but so does any diesel ferrari...just keeping all options on the table

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-10-2005, 10:26 AM
I hope you are all wrong about Ferrari Diesel because if it is true, i will <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> ...

PBH
04-10-2005, 05:02 PM
these cud be an april fools joke a bit late maybe?

r3vilo
04-14-2005, 02:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Engine made a 'dieselly' sound? What's up with that? And where would they get the engine? Don't tell me they are actually making a whole new diesel engine!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I was thinking the same thing. But perhaps they will use modified alfa diesels. That sounds the most likely, because if ferrari had been developing a diesel, we would have heard of it long ago.<br>and perhaps the car was modified privately to run on diesel?

Reppu
04-14-2005, 03:20 AM
I don't see a Ferrari diesel, it's all about revving. But a Porsche....that's a different story. The traditional muscular looks of a Porsche would fit well with an equaly muscular diesel engine in my opinion. Remember, a diesel is always much more 'muscular' that a similar gas engine. Just compare the two 2.0 engines in the new E90: which is best?<p>If there was a ~300hp diesel engine for the 911 i would take it over the gas equivalent anyday. Diesels are good for sports cars as long as they are powerful enough and make them sound good, at which Porsche engineers are masters.

r3vilo
04-14-2005, 04:59 AM
we're not taking into account what andre said. his suggestion sounds sensible.

bentleyboy
04-18-2005, 12:30 AM
If the tail pipes are fake -could ferrari be testing a Hydrogen version of its engines? You never know - Oil wont last forever... If not id say this is just a development mule for the Quattroporte Diesel...

r3vilo
04-18-2005, 02:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bentleyboy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the tail pipes are fake -could ferrari be testing a Hydrogen version of its engines? You never know - Oil wont last forever... If not id say this is just a development mule for the Quattroporte Diesel...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>sounds cool. but Im not so sure. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> . sounds like expensive business <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
04-18-2005, 03:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just compare the two 2.0 engines in the new E90: which is best?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's beause the diesel engine is a turbocharged engine, of course the turbo diesel will be more 'muscular'.<p>And a hydrogen engine is EXTREMELY doubtful.

Reppu
04-18-2005, 03:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That's beause the diesel engine is a turbocharged engine, of course the turbo diesel will be more 'muscular'. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Indeed, but unless they come out with a gas 2.0T, it's not less true that diesel is better option even from the 'sporty' point of view. But i don't want to start discussing about BMW engines range, i just wanted to highlight that a diesel in a sports car can fit perfectly well. You only have to make it right.....or wouldn't you get the new tri-turbo SLK?

Superfresa
04-18-2005, 02:59 PM
I agree with Reppu on this one, even from the sporty point of view, a diesel engine can make sense.

RoAnSa
04-22-2005, 03:37 AM
Ferrari will not come with diesel, this is a chop. <br>Allmost all new diesel cars with particlefilters, has normal stait exhustpipes and not pipes who turns down.

The Big Aristotle
04-24-2005, 10:15 AM
Well either it's a chop<p><br>If its real maybe the exhausts are fakes and we havn't got any photos of the front wheels. A while back Ferrari showed a 550M with exhausts exiting just behind the front wheels. Now whilst they said it was impractical in a 550M, the 612S has the engine so far back behind the front wheels, it may just be possible to have a side exiting exhaust system like the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren