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Charger
03-15-2005, 02:01 PM
What is this all about?<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/20/BMW-X5-Coupe-final_355.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: ams<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/d/78781" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/d/78781</A>

badman
03-15-2005, 02:19 PM
The BMW X coupe is BMW's second new series (the RFK is the other). AMS seems to think that it's a four door model, whereas an earlier article in AutoExpress reported on a two door version, much like the X coupe concept car. Maybe Scott can clear this up?

T.B.
03-15-2005, 02:32 PM
<I>AutoExpress 11/17/2004: CALL OF THE WILD FOR DARING NEW X4<p>X marks the spot for BMW - the German manufacturer is planning a coup based on its X3 SUV with four-wheel drive, bold styling and off-road ability to create a new niche in the small 4x4 market. An exclusive image in this week's mag shows how the X4 is another step in BMW's plan to expand its line-up with unique models based on its mainstream cars. <p>The newcomer is aiming for fewer sales than the conventional X3, so designers can be more adventurous with the looks, which will be influenced by the X Coup concept revealed at the 2001 Detroit Motor Show. This was the first BMW to use the 'flame surfacing' styling instigated by design chief Chris Bangle, which provoked a mixed reaction from the press and public alike. <p>The X4 will be less dramatic, dispensing with the concept car's unusual asymmetric rear hatch and pillarless bubble roof. Nevertheless, it will be one of BMW's most daring models, targeting affluent, design-conscious buyers looking for a lifestyle vehicle. A long nose and low roofline similar to the 6-Series lead to chunky rear wheelarches, which hint at the X4's crossover nature, while the glass hatch covers a substantial load area for a car of this size. <p>Underneath the dynamic bodywork, the coup will utilise the conventional mechanicals of the X3. That means the innovative xDrive 4WD system will deliver power to the wheel with the most traction in slippery conditions. <p>As the newcomer is smaller than the X3, it will be lighter and more manoeuvrable, while still maintaining the SUV's off-road ability. The X4 will also benefit from the latest range of Valvetronic engines, in 2.2 and 3.0-litre petrol guises, while diesel fans will have a choice of 2.0 and 3.0-litre turbos. BMW will not produce an M version, but the flagship coup could be powered by the 4.0-litre petrol V8 that is set to appear in the all-new M3 due next year. Transmission options will include five and six-speed automatics, as well as a manual gearbox with six ratios. <p>Inside, the X4 will inherit the minimalist dashboard design first seen on the firm's executive 7-Series, but with unique touches to distinguish it from lesser models. Chunky seats and more rugged materials will hint at the car's mud-plugging aspirations, and the iDrive controller will give owners the option of altering the suspension and transmission settings for more extreme conditions. Occasional rear seats and a spacious boot will make the newcomer reasonably practical as well as stylish, although the focus is on comfort for occupants sitting in the front. <p>The X4 will be the first coup off-roader from a mainstream manufacturer, with the exception of more unusual offerings such as the Suzuki X-90, and will therefore lack any direct competitors. However, it's likely to steal sales from premium SUVs such as the Audi Allroad and the forthcoming Mercedes B-Class. Due on sale at the end of 2007, the X4 should get its first public outing at that year's Detroit Motor Show, as the US will be a lucrative market for a car of this nature. <br></I> <p><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/X4AE.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>BMW CEO Helmut Panke about BMW crossover:<p><I>"We have decided that BMW will enter the [crossover] segment," he said in the clearest indication yet about the car maker's intentions. <p>Mr Panke praised the Honda Acura [RDX concept car] as the "best execution" yet of a crossover vehicle. <p>"We have decided that the BMW brand will enter the segment," he said. <p>A decision on just how BMW will manage its entry into the new market is due in the first half of 2005. <p>Typically it takes about three years from when a decision is taken before a new model hits the streets, Mr Panke said, implying that a BMW crossover could be on the market by 2008. <p>The coming switch is driven in part by the need for successful carmakers to stay aware of trans-Atlantic differences in the car market, Mr Panke insisted. <p>While in the US drivers tend to prefer sports utility vehicles (SUVs), such as the BMW X5 and its sibling X3, in Europe demand for crossover vehicles is likely to be considerable, Mr Panke said. <p>"There's a growing market here," he said. "We are going to go that way." </I><p>Source: BBC<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 10:52 PM 3/15/2005</i>

erzhik
03-15-2005, 03:30 PM
I heard it's gonna be next X4...rival for more like Infinity FX35/45

jlaidler
03-15-2005, 04:52 PM
One day one of these manufacturers will finally get the balls to produce a kind of Paris/Dakar two door SUV / two box style with a bit of pace and some offroad ability (not much, but a little). <br>We have seen soooo many prototypes from the Audi Steppenwolf, Saab 93-X, BMW, you name it. But so far no one has pulled the trigger. There won't be huge market, but there will be enough for the first one that gets it right. Its' a new class of vehicle just waiting to happen.

scott26
03-15-2005, 06:05 PM
The overall idea displayed in the first picture is the first indication of the direction this cross-over will come from .<p>If you remember previously I stated the X-Coupe still had an agenda.<p>You could say it is BMW 's CLS . Although a very different interpretation, idea and type of vehicle.<p>seen as opening a new niche for BMW. The car has been in design competition since last year And the final design date is upcoming . Many ideas and interpretations are on the table. Such as 4 door , 4door suicide door like Mazda RX-8 or Pick up . Or 2dr Coupe. <p>One thing that can be agreed it on is that performance will be it's mantle. This type of niche is also under discussion to finally involve Motorsport decision . As designers have contributed their designs as both standard and M variants. <p>Some approsals have been successful in incorporating new ideas that are appealing to the product designers such as wrap around tailgate similar to the 5er sedan but with the whole rear lights lifting up leaving a triangular opening , concealed door handles similar to Alfa Romeo , Big wheel arches and Large diameter wheels . 2 door and 4 door variants.<p>The crossover is expected to slot in above the X5, Hence the decision to have the base powerplant as diesel only. Knowing that this car is to major on performance BMW are keen to have a super diesel powerplant not shared with any other product to begin with or remain seperate.<p>BMW are spearheading this vehicle because they have seen the missed oportunity the RR sport has delivered . They liked the concept idea but the final execution has not really transpired to peoples expectations.<p>THe Autoexpress picture from the front end to the A-pillar is the look that will adorn the upcoming X5 as it forms a kinship with its family member the 5er. But the design features of the new X5 also begin the design revolution for the full range of X vehicles.<p><br><i>Modified by scott26 at 5:22 PM 3/15/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scott26 at 5:23 PM 3/15/2005</i>

Gio
03-16-2005, 02:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/X4AE.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>this looks HOT!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I love the way they've fixed up the 5's lights. Those curves and creases look absolutely awesome. I hope it looks like this, cos if it does, I will DEFINITELY go have a talk with my bank manager. maybe I can sell my house and live in this .. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
03-16-2005, 09:14 AM
If the X5 front looks like that, it will cause such a boom in the SUV segment. I always loved that impression.

JBlair
03-16-2005, 09:18 AM
Looks hawkish for some reason. It'll be interesting to see how this does if and when it is produced. On one hand it could do very well, on the other it could flop badly.

T.B.
03-16-2005, 10:14 AM
Just for comparison: Huckfeldt's impression of the new X5<p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57680.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>And scott26's words about it:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is an artist impression.<br>The actual X5 does not look like that.<br><B>see Autobild pictures for closer identity</B></TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12329" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12329</A>

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 07:41 AM
Keep on dreaming guys. I have no faith in this car. It won't be mass-produced. Just stay as a concept, if it even is a concept. the first image is a modified BMW 6-series.

RikfromBelgium
03-28-2005, 07:48 AM
BMW officially stated it will arrive in 2008

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 07:56 AM
Thanks for the info!<p>When it arrives it will be great i think, at least i hope it won't look like the first image in this post. =)

erzhik
03-28-2005, 10:37 AM
Who knows..maybe it will go on sale maybe not.. but remember the 6 series.. how many years it stayed as a concept, but then BMW finally launched it..

RikfromBelgium
03-28-2005, 10:44 AM
there is a difference between launching a concept and saying it might have a production version in the future and officially announcing 2 new models with launch-dates before any concept has been seen. It will come, and I'm very excited <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 11:37 AM
I am ezcited as well. I get more and more excited for every time i see the image posted by Tine. =)

ToronadoGT
03-28-2005, 01:43 PM
Ha ha ha! AMC Eagle lives on as a BMW! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
03-28-2005, 05:58 PM
Its sure worth trying. Typical volume markets are becoming increasingly competitive, and its getting much harder to differentiate yourself from competition, so car companies have to branch out into new untested waters and see if there is success to be had. Crossovers just arrived, RR Sport seems to be already popular, so I think BMW is doing the correct thing.

Santeno
03-29-2005, 09:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/X4AE.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><br>When I see renderings like these, I am constantly amazed at BMW's ability Take other manufacturers poor ideas, do amazing (and sporty) engineering, and continue with oddball styling, yet attract a growing legion of fans. Either engineering is really what people are after and are willing to pay for it, or the sheep are blinded by all but the propeller logo.

RikfromBelgium
03-29-2005, 12:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>When I see renderings like these, I am constantly amazed at BMW's ability Take other manufacturers poor ideas, do amazing (and sporty) engineering, and continue with oddball styling, yet attract a growing legion of fans. Either engineering is really what people are after and are willing to pay for it, or the sheep are blinded by all but the propeller logo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm still amazed how people can't move on and see the revolution BMW-design is undergoing and the massive effect it is having on the entire automotive industry. If it were up to them we'd still be driving boxes on wheels.

DrPetrus
03-29-2005, 01:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If it were up to them we'd still be driving boxes on wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd argue that we still are. Go BMW! I for one am grateful for Chris Bangle. (I'm gonna get so flamed for that, I know. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> )

Verdegrrl
03-29-2005, 02:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'm still amazed how people can't move on and see the revolution BMW-design is undergoing and the massive effect it is having on the entire automotive industry. If it were up to them we'd still be driving boxes on wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry, I must disagree.<p>BMW is copying bizarre Japanese design cues and taking them a step further..... how is that so special? <p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-web.co.jp/NEW_CAR/NISSAN_USA/M45/01.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Since when does a design have to be ugly to be ground breaking? <p>The sagging middles, slab sides, and funky cut lines look OK from some angles and in some colours, but it gets old to have your eyes and brain jangled by such disharmonious shapes. Your eye doesn't glide over the new BMW designs, but rather trips and stumbles. It gets the the car noticed, no doubt. It's very much a fad car like this season's fashions or Britany Spear's career <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">. When I buy or lease a car, I'd hope that the style stays reasonably current looking for at least the term of the loan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">. <p>The shape is curiously static - the car looks like it's standing still even while moving. I consider good car design to not only make a car look like it's moving when standing still (and not look like a mudslide BTW), but to make the car look muscular and graceful when moving. Audi's designs look good on the move, but not so much when standing still. Alfa sedans look good still, and OK moving - though they do wagons better. You have to see the cars in person though, since pictures don't convey the full effect. My point is that there are plenty of graceful and beautiful cars out there who's designers want nothing to do with Bangle and team. Thank goodness! :)<p>I'm right in the middle of BMWs desired demographic and in an area awash with BMWs, and I have to say that both myself and my contemporaries don't care for the direction BMW has taken, but we're finding plenty of kids (of course they can't afford a BMW, and the design will change by the time they can) who do. We're hoping BMW gets over this mid-life crises and starts offering classy, fun, driver oriented cars that look as good in 10 years as they do today.<p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/media/advice/specialreports/most.anticipated.2003/04.bmw.5series.500.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/audi/audi_a6_2004_02_s.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.atochigi.ne.jp/prize/alfa2/image/p1.jpg" BORDER="0">

Reppu
03-29-2005, 10:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Verdegrrl</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Since when does a design have to be ugly to be ground breaking? <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Very true, but again, 'ugly' is a relative concept. What you find ugly might be quite beautiful to another person. <p>I concede that new BMW designs are not that 'instantly-in-love' they used to be, but i find them highly interesting and hard to describe as plain ugly. I remember that the previous 5 series front was widely described as 'weird' when it came out. Now it's remembered as a classic for many many people, me included.

RikfromBelgium
03-30-2005, 01:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Verdegrrl</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sorry, I must disagree.<p>BMW is copying bizarre Japanese design cues and taking them a step further..... how is that so special? <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's the biggest load of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> I have ever read. It's also the first time anybody said it. The fact that you could say such a thing shows your prejudices. The new designdirection is a all BMW and very typical BMW in it's details. I see cues of Bangle everywhere in the automotive Industry ( new Hoffmeisterkinks everywhere, the reardoor, the flaming surface, the headlights, the I-drive,...) It's all appearing on several different brands. <br>wether you like it or not, that's a personal thing and indiscussable. But you have to accept the freshness and effect it has had on cardesign all over the world.

Fcuke
03-30-2005, 10:25 AM
Yeah, Rik. That's Bull****. Show me some pics that prooves that an older version of a car is alike a BMW. You can't make it. Those images you show, aren't equal at all. Can't understand what you are talking about...

knicks125
03-30-2005, 11:18 AM
Actually, to be fair, the whole car industry, over the last ten, twenty years, has been homogenized. Anyone can take any two cars and find similar cues, regardless of whether the car is a supercar, or just a similar sedan. For that, I defn. agree with Verdegrrl's point; however, I wouldn't call it so far as copying, I would rather like to categorize it as taking it to a different direction, or something like that...<p>BTW, RikfromBelgium and Fcuke, we know you guys are die-hard BMW fans, no need to parade around. Most BMW cars do have great designs behind them, but to call their designs revolutionary, that is just absurd, IMO; especially when many of the design points are derive from earlier models, and many are non-bmw styling cues. "Ultimate Driving Machine" is just a catch phrase, a marketing strategy, and it certaintly does not give the BMW the right to be above all other carmakers. Their design is amazing, not revolutionary, please differentiate.

RikfromBelgium
03-30-2005, 12:13 PM
when a design has such a big influence on other brands, when it creates such a buzz and heated discussions, when it is brought to us by a past conservative German brand it is nothing less than revolutionary.

knicks125
03-30-2005, 12:19 PM
I offer my piece but obviously you are not in the same boat...I just don't think revolutionary is a word that can be used so loosely, but, that's just my opinion.<p>these disussions you talk about are mostly articfical, I mean the out of all buyers, the percentage that can actually afford a BMW and live comfortably is very small; I can, and probably you can too, but it's only a selective group. Until the masses are able to have the opportunity to a BMW, I just don't think the cars themselevs, or the designs of them, can be called anywhere close to revolutionary; in my opinion, amazing at best...

Fcuke
03-30-2005, 12:37 PM
BMW is about traditions. SOme of the elements of the car has always been there. But BMW is not only revolutionary on the disign-front, but also driving tecnique and comfort. Read any objective test of a BMW vs an Audi or similar. The conlution is always the same: BMW is generetions in front of their competitors. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
03-30-2005, 10:26 PM
BMW designs are for sure revolutionary.....for BMW itself, which was known for releasing the same design over and over again. The revolution has been to brake with that and give the automotive world something somewhat new and unespected.<p>With respect the designs of other brands, i find BMW's designs to be not more revolutionary than, let's say, a CLS or a RX-8 or even an Altea.....

Santeno
03-31-2005, 09:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fcuke</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BMW is about traditions. SOme of the elements of the car has always been there. But BMW is not only revolutionary on the disign-front, but also driving tecnique and comfort. Read any objective test of a BMW vs an Audi or similar. The conlution is always the same: BMW is generetions in front of their competitors. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Alright, enough of these biased blanket statements. This is definitely not true. Traditions? which ones exactly? do you mean styling ones (like orange dials, the twin kidney grill, beady round headlights, and the hofmiester kink)? If so they are hardly alone or original in having styling peculiarities going back many years (decades even).<p>BMW is generations ahead of everyone else? Come one man, not even you can be so gullible. The reason for BMW's unique character is because the'yve exploited one specific aspect of vehicle dynamics and applied it to their entire range, and they did this at a time that no-one did it so broadly, thus giving their brand a very specific image. Did they invent the sport sedan category? I would argue, no (check out a few older alf romeo's). did they do it better and more broadly than anyone else and applied it to other market segments? yes. I'm not nocking BMW's enginnering innovations (of which there have been many), but they are hardly generations ahead of anyone. If you want to find a consistent history of truly revolutionary automotive innovations, MB and Volvo might make for better examples.

Reppu
03-31-2005, 10:15 PM
I think that you can hardly say that a brand is generations ahead of any other. To find that situation you should compare, let's say, BMW against any chinese brand. In general, gaps are much smaller than that. We should not let the love for a brand to biase our common sense in such a way (and i'm a very well known BMW lover). <p>BTW, mentioning MB to a BMW hooligan is like throwing gasoline to the flames.....

shonguiz
04-02-2005, 01:48 AM
Gentlemens, will BMW bullit an x6 or an x4, or the two cars ??

RikfromBelgium
04-02-2005, 01:56 AM
I don't know how they will be called but here's what they will have.<br>The X3, small SUV, <br>the X5, large SUV, <br>the coup version of the X5 so maybe X6, coup sport and luxurious, <br>the RFK, large crossover

shonguiz
04-02-2005, 10:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know how they will be called but here's what they will have.<br>The X3, small SUV, <br>the X5, large SUV, <br>the coup version of the X5 so maybe X6, coup sport and luxurious, <br>the RFK, large crossover</TD></TR></TABLE><br>So not x4, only x6.

Comrade
04-02-2005, 11:21 AM
I think it's a good idea not to have an X5 based coupe AND an X3 based coupe, they would be to close especially being crossovers which are rare. X6 by itself is good enough. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I think the word revolutionary is way to overused. It has to affect a vast mojority. A car's look can hardly do that. IMO the car itself as a transportation object is revotionary, the Model T, the seatbelt and Volvo's rise against "Safety is not cool"* (remember when Ford inserted cushions inside the dash for protection? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> ) is revolutioary at most and that's it in the automotive world. Handling, design, comfort, and the rest is just progess...

shonguiz
04-03-2005, 03:38 AM
And what about the x7 ? Remeber in the x3 facelift topic, scott said that they were thinking about it aigain, is x7 the x6 or an other product ??

Omar
04-03-2005, 08:11 AM
Indeed, SCOTT26 did say that plans for the X7 have been "unfrozen"

friends_forever
04-03-2005, 10:14 AM
oh come on guys, to be revolutionary you don't have to solve the problems of the world. the term revolution refers to a radical change... i think we can agree that BMW have had enough firsts in terms of the popularization of handling oriented mainstream vehicles to conclude that their presence in the automotive industry has resulted in a radical change in the way things are done.<p>and this...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>these disussions you talk about are mostly articfical, I mean the out of all buyers, the percentage that can actually afford a BMW and live comfortably is very small; I can, and probably you can too, but it's only a selective group. Until the masses are able to have the opportunity to a BMW, I just don't think the cars themselevs, or the designs of them, can be called anywhere close to revolutionary; in my opinion, amazing at best...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>that's faulty logic man. perhaps i'm misunderstanding you, but a necessary condition for a revolutionary product, design - whatever - isn't mass availability. i mean, a very small percentage of the public could afford to pay Frank Lloyd Wright to design their home, but you would be extremely ignorant to argue that him and his designs were not revolutionary.

JBlair
04-03-2005, 10:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>friends_forever</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh come on guys, to be revolutionary you don't have to solve the problems of the world. the term revolution refers to a radical change... i think we can agree that BMW have had enough firsts in terms of the popularization of handling oriented mainstream vehicles to conclude that their presence in the automotive industry has resulted in a radical change in the way things are done.<p>and this...<p>that's faulty logic man. perhaps i'm misunderstanding you, but a necessary condition for a revolutionary product, design - whatever - isn't mass availability. i mean, a very small percentage of the public could afford to pay Frank Lloyd Wright to design their home, but you would be extremely ignorant to argue that him and his designs were not revolutionary.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But then again, look at the Model T. That vehicle is truly revolutionary because it opened the automotive world up to the masses, whereas this BMW will only offer its 'revolution' to a very small number of people.

friends_forever
04-03-2005, 11:03 AM
the model t was revolutionary in the way that it made automobiles available to everyone.<p>bmw has been revolutionary in that they have changed the way people look at cars and car companies manufacture them (as well as market their products).<p>where do you think nissan got their inspiration? how about mazda? why do you think that kia is trying to position themselves as a maker of "sport influences automobiles"? how about pontiac - "driving excitement" (although that's fairly laughable...)?<p>the point is, in the market place there is a clear emphasis on "sportiness", and this certainly has not come about as a result of the pinto...<p>i'm not saying that bmw has been more revolutionary than ford's model t - that's absurd, but that doesn't mean that radical change has not come as a direct result of the existence of bmw.

Comrade
04-03-2005, 02:47 PM
Revolution doesn't only mean radical change. It certainly has to affect a lot of people. The way people look at a sporty car doesn't change the least bit on how they live their lives. Change has to also be sudden in some relation to be revolutionary. I'm not saying BMW hasn't done all those things you listed, but sorry, "revolution" just isn't the word in this case as knicks125 said.<p>Volvo has contributed so much to safety. Highway safety institutions have been established for example, and so much more...<br>The fact that I can get into pretty much any car and not be afraid in case I hit a tree at 15 mph and not die as result of it, is revlotionary. -[that's just an example, but you get the point...] <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>friends_forever</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>bmw has been revolutionary in that they have changed the way people look at cars and car companies manufacture them (as well as market their products).<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>How have BMW changed the way car companies manufacture cars and market them?

knicks125
04-03-2005, 03:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Revolution doesn't only mean radical change. It certainly has to affect a lot of people. The way people look at a sporty car doesn't change the least bit on how they live their lives. Change has to also be sudden in some relation to be revolutionary. I'm not saying BMW hasn't done all those things you listed, but sorry, "revolution" just isn't the word in this case as knicks125 said.<p>Volvo has contributed so much to safety. Highway safety institutions have been established for example, and so much more...<br>The fact that I can get into pretty much any car and not be afraid in case I hit a tree at 15 mph and not die as result of it, is revlotionary. -[that's just an example, but you get the point...] <p>How have BMW changed the way car companies manufacture cars and market them? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Revolutionary is not a term that can be used so loosely in this instance, but that's not to say BMW cars and designs aren't amazing, in fact their cars and designs are top notch, that's certainly worth mention...<p>Revolutionary can not be used on BMW, it's just too strong, as JBlair pointed out, Model T is the clearest example in the automotive industry as being revolutionary

IcedG35
04-03-2005, 08:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>But then again, look at the Model T. That vehicle is truly revolutionary because it opened the automotive world up to the masses, whereas this BMW will only offer its 'revolution' to a very small number of people. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not true at all. Technology that BMW introduces will absolutely become cheaper in time and trickle down to cheaper automobiles. Less expensive car companies try to take the current trends in more expensive cars and then apply them to their own cars in a cheaper manor. Furthermore, BMW's progressive styling and driving experience forces all other car makers to stay on their toes, whether it's a Mercedes or a $30,000 Infiniti. BMW is not solely responsible for this competition, as any 600hp Merc would show, but do you guys think there would be AMG without the M? Mercedes was more luxury than sport until they realized this wasn't the direction carbuyers were going, for we want sport and luxury for the most part. There is also no doubt that styling cues, such as the 7 series' raised trunklid, have been taken up by such vehicles as the Maybach and future S class, but also the $25,000 Hyundai XG350 or a $30,000 Toyota Avalon. <I>I am not accusing any of these companies of copying BMW, but merely realising when a good idea comes along and then constructing their own interpretations of it, often more successfully.</I> I would never, however, say that BMW is the only company making such important contributions, as Acura's latest AWDSH or even GM's mass-produced quaddrasteer woudl show.<p>And if credit were to be given for a Crossover coupe, wouldn't it go to the Infiniti Triante?

friends_forever
04-03-2005, 09:12 PM
ok, first off...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Revolution doesn't only mean radical change. It certainly has to affect a lot of people. The way people look at a sporty car doesn't change the least bit on how they live their lives. Change has to also be sudden in some relation to be revolutionary. I'm not saying BMW hasn't done all those things you listed, but sorry, "revolution" just isn't the word in this case as knicks125 said.<p><br>How have BMW changed the way car companies manufacture cars and market them? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>alright dude, honestly, your comments don't make a whole lot of sense. first of all, i'm not sure why you think that a condition for a revolution is that it must come suddenly - that's simply not true. also, i'm not sure why you say that "The way people look at a sporty car doesn't change the least bit on how they live their lives". this board is full of self proclaimed "bwm enthusiasts". i'm not exactly sure the criteria one must meet in order to qualify for this distinction, however it's pretty clear that "a sporty car" has changed the way they live their lives (eg. some people travel miles and miles just do attend bmw club meetings).<p>How have BMW changed the way car companies manufacture cars and market them? oh come on. for years and years the 3 series has been marketed not as a status/luxury automobile, but as a drivers car. this has changed the way ALL COMPANIES market their cars. They want their consumers to precieve their car as sporty, pure driving machines - the very qualities that make a bmw, a bmw. the whole world is obsessed with sports cars. why do you think that is?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <p>Revolutionary is not a term that can be used so loosely in this instance, but that's not to say BMW cars and designs aren't amazing, in fact their cars and designs are top notch, that's certainly worth mention...<p>Revolutionary can not be used on BMW, it's just too strong, as JBlair pointed out, Model T is the clearest example in the automotive industry as being revolutionary</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i think you're placing the term "revolution" a little higher than it deserves to be. i don't think there's anything wrong with using the word to describe extraordinary acts. the way that bmw has single handed-ly shaped consumer perceptions of what a first class automobile should be by mass marketing handling perfection is nothing short of remarkable. would you not agree?<br>

Comrade
04-03-2005, 10:59 PM
Look up the definition.<br>It can't be a slow process. <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>friends_forever</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> some people travel miles and miles just do attend bmw club meetings).<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Are you serious? So the way BMW influenced people's lives is a few of them, and a very few, attend club meetings. <p>I've had enough and I'm sticking to my words. Period.

friends_forever
04-04-2005, 08:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look up the definition.<br>It can't be a slow process. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Okay, lets consider the Bauhaus school of design. Their philosophy was truly different and unique  even to the point that people could not even comprehend the things they were doing. Many historians would argue the work they did during their short existence has been more influential during the 20th century than any other design movement. While they represent something truly phenomenal, it would be a lie to say that their impact on the world was instantaneous  quite the contrary. Over time, however, one can see that they represented something that was and continues to be truly important and sparked a revolution in the way that the built environment is designed and looked upon.<p>Now Im not about to say that bmw can be compared to Bauhaus  bmw in the context of our revolution discussion frails in comparison, however both have been significant. I think youre misunderstanding the definition of revolution. A sudden change doesnt mean that the world is entirely different over night. Just as the Bauhaus introduced a new way of thinking to the world, bmw introduced a new breed of automobiles. Their philosophy was truly different and unique in that they began mass marketing small, nibble, pure handling machines. This sudden change in thinking over time has shaped the industry; a true revolution.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Are you serious? So the way BMW influenced people's lives is a few of them, and a very few, attend club meetings. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, no, are YOU serious? Basically, you're telling me that people's interests and hobbies don't somehow alter their lives? The example of bmw fans traveling great distances simply to embrace their interests is but one way in which their love of these cars changes them. I don't think I would be incorrect to say that more than a few people here and in the rest of the world aspire to one day own a bmw. They spend hours and hours discussing new models on web forums. They wait in anticipation all year for the autoshow to hit their city. They take time out their weekends to visit dealerships and sit in the cars, if only just to day dream. Its pretty clear that our interests greatly influence our lives. i mean, come on man. How about bird watchers? Their interest in birds takes them all over the world in hopes of seeing rare and exotic species. Some even write books about birds! Would you say that their interest in birds effects the way they look at the world? You would be a fool not to.<p>Birds or cars man, simply interests. Pretty straight forward stuff.<br> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by friends_forever at 8:59 AM 4/4/2005</i>

knicks125
04-04-2005, 09:40 AM
we are all getting a little off the topic of this thread <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>but as it stands now I can't place the word revolutionary on BMW, maybe in the rest of my lifetime that will change <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

IcedG35
04-04-2005, 10:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>But then again, look at the Model T. That vehicle is truly revolutionary because it opened the automotive world up to the masses, whereas this BMW will only offer its 'revolution' to a very small number of people. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It wasn't so much the Model T that revolutionized the industry but the way in which it was built on an assembly line which made production cheap enough to mass produce and sell cars for reasonable prices. The model T was just a product of this revolution. I feel like everything since is more of an advancement than a revolution, but it could be said that BMW is full of ideas which seem to be advancing the car industry.

Chickpig
04-07-2005, 06:13 AM
<IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/67759.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: autobild

Santeno
04-07-2005, 09:14 AM
Is there an article to accompany this image? Is this supposed to be their "revolutionary" new crossover or is it supposed to be something else?<p>Guys please refrain on comenting on the pro's or cons of the rendering. It's pretty obvious that that's all it is, and nothing remotely resembling an official product.

T.B.
04-07-2005, 09:14 AM
This picture shows only an AutoBild's interpretation of a BMW X6 crossover, and <B>not a real deal</B>! <p>This is what AutoBild says about this article (translated by Google):<p><I>"BMW bets by the SUVs on even more sportyness. AUTOBILD shows first pictures of the X6. Beside the X5, there comes also a Crossover Coup, which aims particularly at the Mercedes-Benz R-class. AUTOBILD shows in the new AutoBild edition exclusively, how the new Sport-offroad-van looks and what it can do." </I><br><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=8504&A_SESS=6997b96d225a1cd42068e4d86ab93c7b" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/aktuell...93c7b</A><p>According to my info, the front of this interpretation could show some real details (similar grill and hood will be featured on BMW's RFK - space functional car), but all the other parts are completely false. The real car will be much more coupe-like, and less SUV-like. I hope scott26 is going to confirm that very soon.<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 6:32 PM 4/7/2005</i>

Charger
04-07-2005, 09:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there an article to accompany this image? Is this supposed to be their "revolutionary" new crossover or is it supposed to be something else?<p>Guys please refrain on comenting on the pro's or cons of the rendering. It's pretty obvious that that's all it is, and nothing remotely resembling an official product.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>There was an article from autoweek a while back<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BMW plans to build multipurpose vehicle called X6, sources say<br>AUTOMOTIVE NEWS <br>Posted Date: 2/28/05<br>MUNICH, Germany -- BMW will build a multipurpose vehicle called the X6, supplier sources say.<p>Sources at two suppliers familiar with the project say they are being asked to provide price quotes on parts for the vehicle, according to Automotive News Europe, a sister publication to Automotive News and AutoWeek.<p>The sources say the X6 will be built at BMW's Spartanburg, S.C., plant.<p>A spokesman for BMW Manufacturing Corp. in Spartanburg did not confirm the plans.<p></TD></TR></TABLE>

Santeno
04-07-2005, 09:47 AM
So this is the crossover/mpv they've been talking about? If so there is a thread about this, with renderings on the old forum, which we can port here.

CalinG7
04-07-2005, 09:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Beside the X5, there comes also a Crossover Coup, which aims particularly at the Mercedes-Benz R-class. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>How does a "Crossover Coupe" compete with the Mercedes R-class, which is basically a minivan? Someone's smoking something really good, either Autobuild or BMW. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0">

kuules
04-07-2005, 09:57 AM
my little shop and retouch:<p><A HREF="http://lac.pl/~kuules/nowosci/x6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://lac.pl/~kuules/nowosci/x6.jpg</A>

T.B.
04-07-2005, 10:05 AM
X6 is a SAC - "sport activity coupe". The vehicle will open a completely new segment, not seen before. The vehicle a coupe with some SAV properties (high seating position, AWD). We can say it's a SAV-ish coupe or a coupe-ish SAV. <p>RFK (V-series) is a "space functional car". Its a mix of a sport wagon and a van. RFK (not X6) is a R-class competitor. <p>AutoBild mixed everything up - not for the first time. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Btw, BILD is most notorious German daily tabloid, and AutoBild is an automotive weekly edition of Bild. So, figure up ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Btw, BMW CEO Helmut Panke said in his statement for BBC, that Acura RD-X concept car was momentarily the best presentation how SAC could look. Here are some pics of the Acura RD-X Panke was talking about:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.avtoin.com/Detroit2002/Acura%20RD%20X%20Concept%20SUV1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.avtoin.com/Detroit2002/Acura%20RD%20X%20Concept%20SUV.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 7:28 PM 4/7/2005</i>

[AP]adiweb
04-07-2005, 10:34 AM
You know that Huckfeldt works for Autobild and autobild is like in 80% of all cases correct with their chops. So AutoBild is a rather good car mag.

RikfromBelgium
04-07-2005, 10:38 AM
I think 80% is a bit high, better 50% at best. I have seen a lot of crappy impressions, but also good ones. I think the front might be simular, but everything else just doesn't feel right.

Santeno
04-07-2005, 10:40 AM
Autobild is usually very accurate with chops, when there is hard information to work from. Many of their early chops (especially for vehicles with very little info) are usually wildly off though.

shonguiz
04-07-2005, 11:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/67759.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: autobild</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> Euh, a coup is supoosed at lesat to be a variant with only tree doors no ?? But in this picture we see simply a big 4*4.

T.B.
04-07-2005, 11:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Autobild is usually very accurate with chops, when there is hard information to work from. Many of their early chops (especially for vehicles with very little info) are usually wildly off though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly. And X6 is just too far away to know the final design. At that stage they are just guessing. <p>And it is also important to differanciate Huckfeldt's between Schulte's CGI! We still don't know if the X6 interpretation is by Huckfeldt or by Schulte. Schulte's chops are far worse and far from being accurate ...

scott26
04-07-2005, 02:11 PM
Final design for cross-over coupe has not been final .<p>But Autobild are not completely off track - Some minor detail to change but <br>98% - The new X5.<br>

Omar
04-08-2005, 10:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Final design for cross-over coupe has not been final .<p>But Autobild are not completely off track - Some minor detail to change but <br>98% - The new X5.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I just want some clarification: Are you saying this is virtually the new X5?<br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/67759.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I thought you said this (below) was the new X5.<br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57680.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Then again, the front end looks similar.

badman
04-13-2005, 04:18 AM
<IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68283.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68284.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>Source: <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=8524&artikel_seite=0" TARGET="_blank">AutoBild</A></i><p>Damn, those rear lights are hot. Why wasn't the E90 blessed with those? :|

carrera4
04-13-2005, 05:24 AM
who said 2008?

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-13-2005, 05:24 AM
"Damn, those rear lights are hot. Why wasn't the E90 blessed with those? :|"<p>hum... i think that these rear lights are too closed to Audi rear lights design.<br>And Japanese car makers have already done same rear design many years ago.<p>BMW and Audi designers have to awake up !!!

Chickpig
04-13-2005, 06:09 AM
Autobild said so. But i all these are rumours.

badman
04-13-2005, 07:12 AM
I think those lights are a nice evolution of the L-design actually. Plus, like the E90's, they seem to have a subtle 3D surface (the line that runs down the middle).<p>I don't buy the Audi argument. For one, their general design is an upside down version of this, so it's not an exact copy. Secondly, the current E90 taillights look like several Japanese designs from the 90s and the Board doesn't seem to be worried about that. ;D Hopefully the mid-cycle facelift will address that, as that is really my only reservation about the E90's exterior design.<p>Oh, the accompanying article mentions that a new interior design language will premiere with the X6. Clear lines, improved ergonomics, you name it. I suppose this is to mirror the flame surfacing-free exterior design.<p>They also speculate that the following engines will be offered: <br>Petrol: 3.0l, 258 HP // 4.0l, 306 HP // 4.8l, 367 HP<br>Diesel: 3.0l, 231 HP // 3.0 Liter, 272 HP<p>The 6 cylinder engines are reportedly available with a manual tranny, while the V8s will get autos only. Unlike the 7 series and (supposedly) the new X5, the gear lever will not be attached to the steering wheel (probably because manual transmissions are being offered on at least some of the models). The iDrive knob has also been reworked to offer better feedback.<p>Interestingly enough, according to the article, the X6 beat out several other X concepts: <p>- X4 (2 door SUV coupe placed in between X3 and X5, based on the X-coupe concept car; supposedly this project is on hold until 2010) <br>- X7 (basically a bigger X5 a la Audi Q7)<br>- X9 (basically an SUV version of the 7 series)

Omar
04-13-2005, 11:04 AM
those aren't Audi lights, they're BMW ones: just look at the L-SHAPE of them.<p>Audi's are like upside down L's, and have only started doing them very recently, whereas BMW's been doing L's for some time.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Regarding the pic, the moment I saw it I thought it looks like a chop of the E90 lights. They look beautiful <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by omar at 2:11 PM 6/2/2005</i>

scott26
04-13-2005, 01:05 PM
If we increase the glass area - make it deeper enter the shoulder line covering from the hoffmeister kick of the last window. Make the cut line deeper - grooving into the front of the car - deeper at the front wing .<p>You have the next X5. The front is very similar except the bumper is not correct - It is similar to todays car - though not as crowded.<p>The rear of the car is very similat to the next X5 except the rear lights are a little larger - But they begin to share similar design with the RFK .<p>The actual car will appear more interesting in reality - It will eclipse the new M-Klasse for sure and the competition.

Charger
04-13-2005, 01:19 PM
They should have used this design for the X3.

JAZZYG
05-02-2005, 02:23 PM
Scott 26,<br>Have you seen the pictures of the chevrolet T2X concept unveiled at the seoul motor show? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Please go to the concept cars link and take a look at this car. Do you think it gives us a good idea of what the X6 might look like? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Kam
06-01-2005, 09:57 AM
Around the "ring" I saw this BMW 4X4. It was massive. Bigger than the X5 anyway it had rear lights similar to the AutoBilds impression and it was curvy. Thats all I have to say despite it being 3 months since I last saw it.

erzhik
06-01-2005, 04:00 PM
is it going to be bigger than X5?

RikfromBelgium
06-02-2005, 05:15 AM
Not the X6, but the RFK, or V5, will be. That's propably what he saw. <br>Or it could just have been an X5, since they are going to share parts, and it will be bigger.

Kam
06-02-2005, 12:56 PM
The X6 is based on the 6er isn't it???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> . What I saw wasn't the V5 or an MPV. It did look bigger than the X5 from a certain angle

AM2
06-02-2005, 01:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kam</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The X6 is based on the 6er isn't </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I guess not.<br>whatever they call it(X6?), its probably going to be based on the next AWD X5.<p>6er is based on a 5er...<br>X6 could be based on the X5...<br>This is just an example, I guess its still too early to tell.<br>

Kam
06-02-2005, 01:19 PM
Oh thanks for explaining. I just thought that the 5er was based on its own platform and same for the 6er. Whats different between a AWD and 4WD???

RikfromBelgium
06-03-2005, 01:26 AM
I fI understand you correctly, the X6 is the sleaker, 4 seater version of the X5. So that won't be bigger than the X5. And I thought it will come out later than the RFK. Are you sure it was bigger than an X5? because the only things that do come to mind are the new X5 and the RFK.

Adrokvs
06-10-2005, 04:27 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img76.echo.cx/img76/9480/x6a9lv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img76.echo.cx/img76/3277/x6b7ox.jpg" BORDER="0">

autodanse
06-10-2005, 04:31 PM
that's just a chop of the first FX concept infiniti rolled out at NAIAS 2001.<p>it's still incredibly hot, though. if infiniti never used the design, i guess its fair game. great chop.

Ascariss
06-10-2005, 07:10 PM
I see a lot of 1er in that rear chop, especially the fendesr and most of the lower rear. Front seems to be a mix of 1er and 3er.

shonguiz
06-11-2005, 02:44 AM
waouw...........Radical, trully radical.

Hornbag
06-11-2005, 07:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">waouw...........Radical, trully radical.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mabey too much so...<p>I do like the first couple of shops though, and as said before, they tail lights are absolutly amazing!!!

scott26
06-11-2005, 12:59 PM
The overall shape X6 (E 72) will make it into production - This thing is sleek , adventurous and dynamic - A new class of vehicle. The actual model will be a five door but designers are also experimenting with 3dr and vario roof models. As for the front and rear they are currently ideas.<p> The next generation of the twin kidney grille will be like a twin shell with an outer - reverse shape with the inner slats as normal .<p>The SAC will not be seen as a regular SUV - Space will not be an issue - Performance and dynamics are. Headed by the indevelopment Twin-Turbo NG V8 with an expected output of 383 BHP. However such a vehicle could be a platform for a V10 powered M variant. <p>BMW like to think of the X6 as a five door 911 rival - As the Cayenne is in another segment and a different type of vehicle - expect the next Cayenne to be very different from it's current state once the X6 arrives.<p>Such a vehicle is essential for BMW to keep to it's core of producing dynamic groundbreaking products.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scott26 at 1:08 PM 6/11/2005</i>

Omar
06-11-2005, 01:13 PM
lovely info Scott, keep it coming!<p>Are there any diesel engines lined up for the X6 (for European sale)?

FordRules
06-11-2005, 04:35 PM
this looks alot like a pontiac torrent

shonguiz
06-12-2005, 08:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> Headed by the indevelopment Twin-Turbo NG V8 with an expected output of 383 BHP. <br><i>Modified by scott26 at 1:08 PM 6/11/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Only 383ch, they already have an atmospheric B8 5,0 L with 367BHP, so a double turbo V8 with 383 HP seems weak for me.

RikfromBelgium
06-12-2005, 09:16 AM
That depends on the displacement and Nm

davidChief
06-13-2005, 12:47 AM
These pics are looking very good.<p>I just hope they give it a completely different look and stance to the X3, X5 and the rest of the class. This is a trick that the RR Sport missed IMHO.

Chris_Doane
06-19-2005, 09:17 PM
Normally I think spy photos of cars that are totally covered in vinly even have some value....but this photo is just totally worthless:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_BMW_X6.S178.A8788.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A>

SV
06-19-2005, 09:42 PM
that's even funnier than that X5 mule <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> of course, it's a brilliant idea for camoflauge.

skoochythatone
06-20-2005, 05:27 AM
Quote: "The test mule sports a non-production body made as simply as possible to cover the mechanical parts. It offers no indication of the final vehicle's styling or design."<p>OOOh...ok....thanks CarConnection for clearing that up...I thought BMW was going really crazy...hahahaha

mc_blue
06-20-2005, 01:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It gets front-mounted engines ranging from a V-8 with either 340 hp or 450 hp, to a V-10 with <B>612 </B>hp.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Very interesting - M6 CSL engine output?

scott26
06-21-2005, 01:55 AM
This test mule is actually the beginning of the RFK .<br>From here you can check out the dimensions I especially said that this will be a new type of vehicle period not a van with windows.<p>The RFK will sit low and feature the looks like the original digital conceptions - The ones BMW got angry over because these were the chosen for conception. <p>It is possible that an M variant of the RFK is possible but of now not certain.<br>An variant of M powered version of X6 is expected to become a reality.<p>As of now the RFK will feature the Twin turbo from the forthcoming 335i , <br>Twin turbo diesel from 535d and new NG twin turbo V8 petrol with 450 BHP and V8 diesel with 380 BHP. A Hydrogen powered no emission vehilcle will also follow later. As will probably a V12.<p>Space , function and Performance will herald the RFK - hence the move to integrate light weight materials into the new model such as CF for roof and elements of structure. In Performance with a forthcoming range of new engines - Dynamic Drive will enter it's next phase as will a new axle design developed especially for such a vehicle that will herald the RFK as a excellent drivers car , The balance and roadholding is said to be superb , The dynamics do not make such a concept heavy but as light as a sports car. <p><br>The arrival of the RFK will also bring forward a smaller vehicle based upon the 3er to sit above the 3er Touring - One car that has always impressed BMW is the mini limousine qualities of the Opel Signum (right Concept , wrong badge) - This is the idea that will come with the smaller RFK . <br>Positioned above the 3er Touring but below the X3.

RikfromBelgium
06-21-2005, 02:09 AM
will there be a concept of the RFK at IAA<p>thx for the info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

FordRules
06-21-2005, 07:56 AM
<A HREF="http://www.subdriven.com/news/uploads/Subaru_News/006__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.subdriven.com/news/...0.jpg</A> look at the rear end with the X6 and this together!

FordRules
06-21-2005, 07:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quote: "The test mule sports a non-production body made as simply as possible to cover the mechanical parts. It offers no indication of the final vehicle's styling or design."<p>OOOh...ok....thanks CarConnection for clearing that up...I thought BMW was going really crazy...hahahaha</TD></TR></TABLE> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> HILARIOUS!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> thats so funny

RikfromBelgium
06-21-2005, 09:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ford_rules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.subdriven.com/news/uploads/Subaru_News/006__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.subdriven.com/news/...0.jpg</A> look at the rear end with the X6 and this together!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>please wait until the car has arrived before posting reply's like this.

shonguiz
06-21-2005, 09:40 AM
Scott what about the diesel v10 you talked about in RFK's topic ?

LSS_C6
06-22-2005, 09:21 AM
This can be a very nice car! BMW has in hand another very interesing car wich is the V5!<br>I`m very curious about X6 and V5...

DSC-OFF
06-30-2005, 07:02 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9687_CGZNHXKIALXTZ.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_BMW_X6.S178.A8788.html" TARGET="_blank">TCC</A>

tobajara
07-14-2005, 10:46 AM
<A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-14659-306025-6749/BMW%20X6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-14659-306025-6750/BMW%20X6%20002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...2.jpg</A>

Omar
07-14-2005, 10:52 AM
i am getting SO confused with all these different BMW's being developed.<p>Those pics were already posted. But I can't remember which BMW thread it was in...

shonguiz
08-30-2005, 03:45 AM
<IMG SRC="http://automotorundsport.de/sixcms/media.php/20/bmw_355.106741.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>From AMS.

RikfromBelgium
08-30-2005, 04:08 AM
gulp<p>I know Scott26 said they would take the design further than any BMW, but I did not expect this <br>It sure got me interested

TitanSteel
08-30-2005, 06:27 AM
I absolutely love this concept of a four-door coupe crossover, but I just don't think that anyone has captured the true essence of the design of this vehicle. And with the description BMW gave us, I don't think that we ever will until it comes out. It's definitely going to be very different from anything else anyone has ever seen before. It souds so visually dynamic and expressive, and extremely capable in performance. I can't wait to see the production version.

RikfromBelgium
09-09-2005, 02:53 AM
<A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/fotoshows/bmw_x6.90034.htm " TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor....htm </A>

scott26
12-01-2005, 12:20 PM
Enter the X6...<p>BMW like to think of the forthcoming SAC (Sport Activity Coupe) X6 as a five door 911 rival - As the Cayenne is in another segment and a different type of vehicle - Of course BMW are expecting the next interpretation of the Cayenne expect the next Cayenne to be very different from it's current state once the X6 is established.<br>Dynamic design for a new class of vehicle - A new class of vehicle. The X6 will be a five door but will not be confused or marketed as the X5.<br>X6 will be worlds apart both in approach , design and dynamics<p>The brief...<p>In popular Activity spots such as Winter sports resorts populated by Range Rover , Cayenne etc.. and of course X5. These are mainly " other" cars to the city based performance cars nesting in their respective garages. <br>BMW would like to offer something with a taste of both worlds for their customers - Something with luxury and performance , style and capability .<br>The all purpose coupe.<p>Off The Wall...<p>A new segment and a new market in it's infancy the competition design brief signalled to tap into this brave new world - Create something that <br>That offers a radical approach to convention a phrase always used by BMW design " Defy Convention" , After months of design and debate and conception the final proposal has now been selected by the BMW board of management described by BMW's designers as " Off the wall "<p>The overall shape of the X6 that will make it into production offers a very forward looking visual experience - The overall shape is that used to the XCoupe concept car a hatchback cum coupe with the rear hatch opening functioning like the forthcoming Z4 Coupe . The overall design offers adventurous elements such as stacked triangular headlights on each of the front wings a wide twin Kidney grille with preforated grille slats as seen on land Rover products but was shown on the 2001 XCoupe concept.<br>The next generation of the twin kidney grille will be like a twin shell with an outer - reverse shape with the inner slats as normal .<p><br>The X6 will feature on evolutionary " surface " approach to the design with the headlights forming into surfaces that ride into the shoulder line melting the bodywork all the way to the rear lights following form with the front of the car triangular in shape joined at each end along the trunk lid with a long chrome element .<p>Ideas and Influences <p>One of the many challenges for the design brief was that it is to be not a conventional BMW just as the CLS Mercedes-benz is not a conventional mercedes. Of course the CLSwas wheeled in for influence.<br>Many interior aspects take their ideas from modern influences such as ipod , Winter equipment , and yacht equipment precision milled materials - delicate with an expensive look a feature that will form the next generation of BMW interiors.<p>The SAC will not be seen as a regular SUV - Space will not be an issue - <br>Four will sit in comfort but will not detract from it's persona - Performance and dynamics .<p> Headed by the V8 with the indevelopment Twin-Turbo NG V8 with an expected output of 400 BHP + . And a a platform for a V10 powered M variant. <br>Disel will be catered for with V8 and indevelopment that will also surface in next 7er a V10 diesel .<p>Such a vehicle is essential for BMW to keep to it's core of producing visually dynamic groundbreaking products.<p><br>

knihc2008
12-01-2005, 04:03 PM
and jeez how expensive is this car goin to be?

salebg
12-03-2005, 08:30 AM
<A HREF="http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9461/bmwx61big1wr.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img525.imageshack.us/im...r.jpg</A>

The Water Is Poison
12-03-2005, 08:33 AM
What a terrible Infiniti FX chop

mzoltarp
12-03-2005, 09:31 AM
The chop was a bit scary. The final vehicle whatever it eventually looks like could be a master stroke or a blunder. Good to see BMW gambling and taking chances.

shonguiz
12-03-2005, 10:19 AM
Cardisiac guys are such genius <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> i prefer Husseindesign's creations, take a look <A HREF="http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=1423" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=1423</A>

StevenZoz
12-03-2005, 10:55 AM
FX chop or not; i like it.

tobajara
01-17-2006, 12:32 PM
<A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/bmw_x_sport_bayerische_mischung.101080.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...0.htm</A>

Charger
01-17-2006, 12:38 PM
Is this the same as the X6 we've been seeing renderings of?

husseindesign
01-17-2006, 06:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a clumsy interpretation of X6. AMS is really not good at doing this.<br>Remember the red car they did? It was totally different:<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/fotoshows/bmw_x6.90034.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...4.htm</A><p>X Sport is a name of a BMW Concept vehicle that will be showed in the near future showcasing the forthcoming X6.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Reading Scott's discription, it seems like the red one is much more accurate. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
02-09-2006, 12:13 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/noncar/autocar/cover.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.autocar.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">AutoCar</A><br> <br>

CosworthKid
02-09-2006, 02:50 PM
I went through the magazine yesterday and saw the CG's of the X6. Looks good, especially from rear. But its hardly anything new, these CG's dont appear to be much different to those of CAR magazine months ago.

scott26
02-09-2006, 03:51 PM
A computer image , no where like the real thing.<p>That looks restrained, constrictive , predictable ,boring and conservative ...<p>Surely everyone must know by now BMW does not do the above...

enit
02-09-2006, 03:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A computer image , no where like the real thing.<p>That looks restrained, constrictive , predictable ,boring and conservative ...<p>Surely everyone must know by now BMW does not do the above...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Totally agree.<p>But what about this: <p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/fotoshows/bmw_x6.90034.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...4.htm</A><p>This looks he!l too good to be AMS' CGI done on their own - from their heads. And just like Hussein already said - it looks very similar what you had described.<p>I find this 180 degree turn from AMS <I>very</I> odd. First they had published that super-ultra-adventurous red car (naming it X6) - a superbly done CGI - , and than later a blue ultra-conservative one (naming it X-sport) - a very badly done CGI, a very tipical AMS CGI: <A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/fotoshows/bmw_x_sport.102115.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...5.htm</A><p>Very weird. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>IMO the red car is pretty much the X-Sport Concept (aka X6). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'm so pleased! Bangle + Hooydonk + winning design team + CEO board did not disappoint. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by enit at 2:46 AM 2/10/2006</i>

CosworthKid
02-10-2006, 03:07 PM
That is also an old CG and higly unlikely. The blue image might seem restrained and maybe "boring" but remember that BMW received a lot of criticism so they might decide to play it more safe, like they have done already with the 3er. That red one..well..id cut my left ball if that came out to be anywhere close

conan
02-16-2006, 08:40 PM
I would really like it if the X6's profile looks like this Hyundai HCD-9 Talus SUV-coupe crossover concept :<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=17642&page=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=2</A><p>The X6 will be longer and bigger, of course, but you get the idea...<p>Speaking of crossovers, with the coupe version of the Touareg is being prepared, and considering the fact that the Touareg shares many parts with the Cayenne (not to mention that more future Porsche models like the Panamera will be manufactured by VW), I believe a coupe version of the next-generation Cayenne is a sure thing. Wonder how it will compare, design-wise, to the radical X6. I have high hopes for future Porsches, with now Michael Mauer in charge of design instead of Haam Lagaay...

enit
02-17-2006, 04:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>conan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Speaking of crossovers, with the coupe version of the Touareg is being prepared, and considering the fact that the Touareg shares many parts with the Cayenne (not to mention that more future Porsche models like the Panamera will be manufactured by VW), I believe a coupe version of the next-generation Cayenne is a sure thing. Wonder how it will compare, design-wise, to the radical X6. I have high hopes for future Porsches, with now Michael Mauer in charge of design instead of Haam Lagaay...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here is your answer:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Of course BMW are expecting the next interpretation of the Cayenne expect the next Cayenne to be very different from it's current state once the X6 is established.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>

salebg
02-20-2006, 09:28 AM
<A HREF="http://i.autoweb.cz/autoweb/photo/thumb/8515_700x535x75.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.autoweb.cz/autoweb/ph...5.jpg</A>

Rossell
02-20-2006, 02:17 PM
Sorry mate - but thats a terrible, terrible chop.

boston
02-20-2006, 02:39 PM
Someone at BMW is laughing out loud at all these chops.......

SHEPO
02-20-2006, 03:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>salebg</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://i.autoweb.cz/autoweb/photo/thumb/8515_700x535x75.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i.autoweb.cz/autoweb/ph...5.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i don't know why but for some reason i think this chop looks like pete burns <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Shift_Up at 4:22 PM 2/21/2006</i>

geary
02-21-2006, 12:34 AM
I would love to see these designs actually come through, but something tells me that we won't see anything ground-breaking.

thedesigner
02-24-2006, 02:53 PM
Terrible? No worse than the other mish-mashes of confused slashes and cartoon profiles. Tone down those taillamps and it's not half bad IMO. If BMW is laughing at these chops it's probably because they're not hideous enough to do justice to the mongrel they're going to release upon the public. I hope they find their groove again.

RikfromBelgium
02-25-2006, 12:11 AM
Iv' got something for ya: IMO!!!!!

voriax
02-26-2006, 06:05 PM
That chop is just a 1-series stretched to buggery and back.<br>

salebg
03-03-2006, 08:31 AM
<A HREF="http://img76.echo.cx/img76/9480/x6a9lv.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img76.echo.cx/img76/9480/x6a9lv.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
03-03-2006, 10:46 AM
That would look amazing! Most imposing vehicle on the streets.I really do hope BMW is still up to taking risks with bold designs and doesnt turn this into a sportier X5 a-la-Range Rover Sport.

against the wall
03-03-2006, 02:44 PM
holy oversized front bumper, batman!

synthesis
03-06-2006, 11:11 AM
I'm not sure I could design something uglier than that if I tried

CosworthKid
03-06-2006, 06:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not sure I could design something uglier than that if I tried</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I really fail to see what's truly ugly about a design like that. It's bold,mascular,imposing,sporty and different. Is that really such a bad thing? Im not questioning anyone's taste here, perhaps my taste is questionable. But i like this personally.

Hornbag
03-07-2006, 04:08 AM
I'm with Cosworthkid on this one, this looks wicked! Headlight could use some work, but other than that it looks so madness. I especially like the high window sill, and rounded front bumper. Really really good flame surfacing here IMO as it is right out there, and not slightly dull like the 7er was....

synthesis
03-07-2006, 10:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It's bold,mascular,imposing,sporty and different.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's cool, I'm not going to try to argue something as subjective as preference of design. But, bear in mind, the Aztek fits all the adjectives that you just listed...<p>I've just seen alot better chops, i.e. the Huckfeldt one. That chop made me want to run out right then and place an order for an X6.

Hornbag
03-08-2006, 04:56 AM
You have a valid point mate! Though the Aztek sporty looking?<p>With this car, I say if your going to do something wild, go all the way. Don't half-arse it and mix bold with boring....

CosworthKid
03-08-2006, 06:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You have a valid point mate! Though the Aztek sporty looking?<p>With this car, I say if your going to do something wild, go all the way. Don't half-arse it and mix bold with boring....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree even though BMW does have a lot to lose if this goes wrong, competition is tough especially from Merc with its 365 car line-up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

knihc2008
03-08-2006, 09:42 PM
no matter how ugly the X6 is, it'll still like hotcakes simply because it is, after all, a BMW.

CosworthKid
03-09-2006, 11:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no matter how ugly the X6 is, it'll still like hotcakes simply because it is, after all, a BMW.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats what ppl said about the X3 and it doesnt do nearly as good as you'd expect from a BMW. The 1-series is another example, and so is the 7.

enit
09-13-2006, 04:38 AM
<br>Latest X6 impression by AMS:<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/BMW-X5-Coupe_450.jpg" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by enit at 8:09 PM 9/13/2006</i>

hyundaidriver
09-13-2006, 04:41 AM
that looks ridiculous

the1
09-13-2006, 04:42 AM
I think this is very far from how it will actually look. I hope. scott26, give us an opinion, pls.

Reppu
09-13-2006, 04:54 AM
Sooooo...is that a five door car as the text states? Were are the other two, on the floor?

adambravo
09-13-2006, 05:00 AM
The photo is a proposed coupe version of the just-launched X5, which wouldn't hit the market--according to Auto Motor Und Sport--until 2010. The X6 is a low-roofed, sporty variant of the X5. The relationship between X6 and X5 is like Range Rover Sport and Discovery; the former is more upscale, fashion-conscious, less package-efficient, and more powerful.

Ascariss
09-13-2006, 06:27 AM
what happened to the original thread?

the1
09-13-2006, 07:49 AM
I think it's still there... somewhere.

scott26
09-13-2006, 09:25 AM
That is a squashed up X5 using Z-styling elements - Z does not phase into X .<p>The only areas of design the actual X6 shares with Z4M Coupe is in the rear tailgate design which like the Z4M Coupe will wrap around the upper shoulder level of the car and lift the same way as the Z4M coupe , The only other occurrence is the shape of the rear window fitting into the rear tailgate is the same shape of the Z4M Coupe which will enhance the sport and performance design of this individual SAC.<p>the design will share a similar shoulder line to the new X5 and the front bonnet will be placed in a similar position. The X6 will cater for four passengers and will have four doors a smaller window with the trademark BMW kink will insert behind the rear doors. <br>The front of the X6 is not similar to the X5 with triangular headlights as similar to the 5er (E60) sit in the front corners which blend in to form the front wheel arches aside the widened twin shell kidney grille which will make it's debut in the next 7er - The twin kidneys now appear to be upturned but borders into a more natural twin shape inside the shell.<br>The shell also forms substance and interplay with the curves on the top of the bonnet and meet in the surround of the shell. where the chromed bars ahead of the radiator will be placed.<p>The rear of the car gets slim-line rear lights that open up broader when wrapped around the corner of the car which leads direct from the rear bumper area forming the rear wheel arches.<p>An optional targa roof will become available with individual slats folding towards the rear of the car , as will a full panoramic roof .<p>There will be no X5-M as BMW reckon X6-M with it's unique design and attitude and direction of a performance coupe will sufficiently fill that gap no matter what the cmpetition come up with - BMW are keeping an open mind before venturing down that road not to overplay the M-brand - X6 will at first arrive with V8 and twin-turbo V8, Diesel will include V8 and eventually a base diesel , A V10 diesel in development for the 7er may eventually end up in the X6. <br>An M variation on the M5 and M6's V10 with substantially more output will top out the range.<p>

Ascariss
09-13-2006, 10:47 AM
here it is enit

enit
09-13-2006, 11:36 AM
Scott, nice to hear all of the info! Thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

scott26
09-13-2006, 12:00 PM
emphasizing on the four seasons for X6.<br>One of the exciting concepts of the design phase of the X6 is BMW want to prove that the X6 is capable for all "four seasons" <p>How weather and season can enhance the design of the X6.<p>So we know its going to be a new type of vehicle - A new type of premium segment with the SAC "Sport Activity Coupe"<p>In the concept of brainstorming something that has already been approved for production is the effect that the car will have on color choices both in exterior and interior. Although the exact color choice still has to be fettled this is how things are shaping up so far.<p>For instance "Desert" will feature strong Gold, Orange and Bronze colors with interior of sand beige or golden orange. With light or dark wood or bronze metallic strips.<p>"Ice" will enhance exterior color with cool whites and light blue hues with the interior merging with transparent and white trim elements(think ipod) and white and cool blue leather.<p>"Water" will enhance color of deep sea coral Blues and Greens with interiors to match. "Autumn" will carry deep red to emphasis the interior and exterior <br>And then the "Cloud" which will maintain the Blacks,Greys and Silvers.<p>Overall controls such as switches, stalks , control knobs etc are being evaluated against modern technology the soft touch keypads of laptops and high end mobile phones . ipods , plasma TV's in order to emulate a high quality "talking point" interior which will begin first with the F01.

SHEPO
09-13-2006, 12:55 PM
So is this BMW's take on the Suzuki X90?<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.suzuki-w.co.jp/history2/X90/image/x90LB11.jpg" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 03:48 PM
Excellent info scott26!!Thanks a million mate <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Can't wait for the X6..<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> BMW are keeping an open mind before venturing down that road not to overplay the M-brand<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I love this. That is why i dont care much about AMG (i lost count and interest) and VXR (Zafira??whats next?) and i love M cars and Ford Europe performance. M in particular is God-sent for me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 03:53 PM
OMG! Those interior/exterior combos sound incredibly cool! It will indeed bring a new era of premium design

DoMiNo
09-13-2006, 04:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>"Ice" will enhance exterior color with cool whites and light blue hues with the interior merging with transparent and white trim elements(think ipod) and white and cool blue leather.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ohhhhhh, man. Awesome.

the1
09-13-2006, 04:21 PM
Great info, thx scott. F01 is the new 7 Series or the X6?

enit
09-13-2006, 04:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great info, thx scott. F01 is the new 7 Series or the X6?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>F01 = SWB new 7er, F02 = LWB new 7er.<p>X6 is either E72, or F06. Have seen both designation for the same concept. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
09-13-2006, 04:34 PM
Thx. <p>If the X6 turns out like scott says, and I'm sure it will, it will be something so cool and radical that it could become a huge success and a trend setter.

Comrade
09-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Nice color combinations although water, ice, desert, and cloud aren't exactly seasons or weather. J/K<br>Put me down for indian summer please.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>btw, did BMW hire that woman who was was asked to design a custom interior for a Mercedes S-class on TopGear and Clarkson denied her design cuz he wanted it to resemble his house? lol. <p>

Comrade
09-13-2006, 07:20 PM
I reckon the X6 is the reason why the X5 turned out so conservative. Since the X6 has four doors and BMW probably wants them to be cross-shopped as little as possible, there wouldn't be as much of a difference between them if they were both designed to look very "outlandish" ..if you will. No?

~*~STORM~*~
09-13-2006, 09:23 PM
totally agree

Reppu
09-14-2006, 12:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An M variation on the M5 and M6's V10 with substantially more output will top out the range.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Substantially more output?. Soon, the Veyron engine will not be enough for a premium compact.

knihc2008
09-14-2006, 01:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>"Ice" will enhance exterior color with cool whites and light blue hues with the interior merging with transparent and white trim elements(think ipod) and white and cool blue leather.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ala Saab concepts?

Porsche
09-15-2006, 01:51 PM
lmao. that aint going to sell if bmw DOES indeed produce it.

the1
09-15-2006, 02:47 PM
Why not? I think it will sell like hotcakes.

SHEPO
11-24-2006, 10:48 AM
<A HREF="http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/24/spied-bmw-x6-prototype" TARGET="_blank">http://www.leftlanenews.com/20...otype</A>/

against the wall
11-24-2006, 10:50 AM
dang you beat me to it. well anyways heres a windingroad link<br><A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/auto-news/spied-great-shots-of-bmws-top-secret-x6" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/au...et-x6</A>/

WOB
11-24-2006, 11:06 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/read.php?12,1168628,page=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/r...age=3</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
11-24-2006, 11:20 AM
whoah... huge! <br>could it be a GL rival?

WOB
11-24-2006, 11:25 AM
news pics bmw v5 pik-up <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
11-24-2006, 11:26 AM
nawww, it doesnt seem long enough and certainly isnt tall enough. more of an RRS rival.

VexedandGlorious
11-24-2006, 11:52 AM
if you look closely at the camo at the c-pillar you can see the h-kink, and it looks very close to the chops posted above..i have to say im excited this is one sexy test mule.

the1
11-24-2006, 12:25 PM
So, which one is it? The V5 or the X6? The X6 is supposed to be a 2door sporty SAV, so I guess this is not it.

CosworthKid
11-24-2006, 12:50 PM
That grey coloured car in the last link is the V5..the mule is the X6<br>So far the V5 looks great, maybe chop but still that looks pretty close to what id expect to see

the1
11-24-2006, 01:09 PM
I was reffering to this one.<br><A HREF="http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3694/bmwx65600pn8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img167.imageshack.us/im...8.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
11-24-2006, 02:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was reffering to this one.<br><A HREF="http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3694/bmwx65600pn8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img167.imageshack.us/im...8.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, that is the mule i was talking about.

the1
11-24-2006, 02:23 PM
So, theoreticaly, it's the X6?

CosworthKid
11-24-2006, 02:56 PM
According to the article its the X6. Its far too bulky and big to be the V5...and unless there is something else that big planned from BMW id say its indeed the X6

the1
11-24-2006, 03:04 PM
The sloping roofling certainly indicates it's the X6. You are right.

genea
11-26-2006, 05:47 AM
<A HREF="http://news.windingroad.com/?cat=106" TARGET="_blank">http://news.windingroad.com/?cat=106</A>

the1
11-26-2006, 11:02 AM
Those pics were already posted.

safari.
11-26-2006, 12:32 PM
what's the point in an X6 when you have an X3 and an X5?

against the wall
11-26-2006, 12:36 PM
x6 is supposed to be more of a competitor for the RRS (that type of vehicle, cant find a better way to explain it), while the x3 and x5 are more of luxury SUV competitors for their respective sizes.

safari.
11-26-2006, 12:37 PM
Ok so why are they bringing out an M-power X5 then?

against the wall
11-26-2006, 12:43 PM
they are? is that official?<p>but anyway the x5 is more of an suv while the x6 will be more of a sportier, muscular vehicle.

CosworthKid
11-26-2006, 01:40 PM
An M-X5 has not been officialy confirmed nor denied as far as i know. X6 is just different, thats why its a niche. What the use of an CLS when u get an E-Class u may ask then, same case.

the1
11-26-2006, 02:18 PM
Exactly, it'a niche product and actually the first of its kind. So, it can't be bad for BMW. I'm sure it will become a hit, the RRS is selling like hotcakes, so there is a market for cool, sporty SUVs.

the1
12-22-2006, 04:56 AM
<A HREF="http://images3.fotosik.pl/302/c3585874c70826c4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images3.fotosik.pl/302/c3585874c70826c4.jpg</A>

mick78
12-22-2006, 05:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://images3.fotosik.pl/302/c3585874c70826c4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://images3.fotosik.pl/302/c3585874c70826c4.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Okay, that underlines the theory that it wil be a bit sportier BMW X5, just like Range Rover/Range Sport.<p>Not too Coupe-esque....

the1
12-22-2006, 05:22 AM
It's still a chop.

mick78
12-22-2006, 05:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's still a chop.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But siven the Prototype on the last page, not too far away, at least shape wise. details ofcourse could well change, but the basic shape seems accurate.

the1
12-26-2006, 03:53 PM
The roofline seems to be very low.<br><A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/31395_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozeitung.de/onli...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/31393_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozeitung.de/onli...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/31391_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozeitung.de/onli...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/31389_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozeitung.de/onli...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/31387_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozeitung.de/onli...0.jpg</A>

erzhik
12-26-2006, 04:05 PM
wow.. look really low<br>wonder if they will use the same face as X5, since camo looks the same

the1
12-26-2006, 04:26 PM
I think they won't. The 3 Series Coupe has a different face compared to the sedan. They would want to make the X6 look different, too.

CosworthKid
12-27-2006, 09:49 AM
Cool, thanks for pics mate <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Boy with the camo on it looks like early actual concepts from Bangle <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>If the roof is so low it would be closer in concept to the LR Range Stormer (than the Range Rover Sport) which is awesome. I DO hope they give it some M3-type inspired wide fenders and bulged bonnet <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

sashok
12-27-2006, 01:19 PM
This looks like it will be going head to head with the R-class... right?<p>Is this on the X5 platform but stretched?<p>Looks pretty good so far. Definitely better than the front camel eyes of the R-classe.

the1
12-27-2006, 01:22 PM
This is definately not an R-Class competitor. It's obviously not. This is supossed to be in a niche of its own, it'a coupe-SUV crossover. The R-Class is simply a crossover or a huge luxury MPV, something BMW is considering too.

the1
12-28-2006, 01:12 PM
German magazine Auto Zeitung has spilled more information on BMW’s upcoming X6 Coupe, a sporty version of the hugely successful X5. Scheduled for release in the beginning of 2008, the X6 will share the same four-door coupe styling made so popular by the CLS, but will do so on the same platform as the X5. Being a “fun SUV,” the X6 will come with a more driver-oriented interior and range of powerful engines. The relationship between the X5 and X6 will be the same as the 5 and 6-series – more sporting and upscale. BMW’s goal is to target the Porsche Cayenne by having a vehicle that is both more fun to drive and cheaper to boot.<p>The X6 will get engines from the cream of the crop, including the following already found in BMW’s other offerings:<br>Twin-turbo 3.0L diesel with 286hp<br>Twin-turbo 3.0L petrol with 300hp<br>4.8L petrol V8 with 367hp<p>Further down the track, it’s expected to get a turbocharged V8 developing 420hp, which should propel it to 100km/h in under six seconds. AZ is also reporting BMW won’t be making a M version of the X6 because all-wheel-drive doesn’t fit in with the M-philosophy. All models will get a 6-speed auto gearbox with the new joystick-style shifter found in the facelifted X5 and soon to be in the facelifted 5-series.<p>With luxury car manufacturers increasingly resorting to niche vehicles to spur growth, it looks like the next couple of years will be busy in the SUV/crossover space. Audi will be releasing the Q5 and Mercedes will have the GLK. Game on.<br>autoscoops.be

against the wall
12-28-2006, 01:21 PM
scott26, wherever you are, do you know if there will be some sort of concept at detroit for this?

the1
12-28-2006, 01:27 PM
There should be. Audi may come uo with the Q5 concept and there are certainly a lot of SUV and Crossovers from other carmakers at the show.

sashok
12-28-2006, 01:35 PM
It just seems very long to me - R-class size from the spy pics; that's why I thought it would compete with R-classe. So what will they now name the R-classe competitor? Or will that not be an "X"?

the1
12-28-2006, 01:42 PM
That is known as the V5 and it's bigger and more conventional, compared to the X6.

CosworthKid
01-22-2007, 11:46 AM
<A HREF="http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7686/x67xu.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7686/x67xu.jpg</A><p>By far the dullest interpretation so far but since its a Huckfeldt probably the most accurate

against the wall
01-22-2007, 12:46 PM
that looks to tall to be it. its more of what id picture the x5 would be like if it was revolutionary isntead of evolutionary.

CosworthKid
01-22-2007, 12:50 PM
I guess so but still, its Huckfeldts latest Cg so it must be realiable...? We could use Scott now

against the wall
01-22-2007, 12:55 PM
thats actually really old. like a year and a half old. the lsc you posted is just as old, and the 6er one you posted isnt so new either.

jack
01-22-2007, 01:15 PM
i can't imagine that this is the new exiting design from bmw - it doesn't also really resemble a coupé<br>scott also talked that the design could get as popular as the 911 (i think thats how he described it)

CosworthKid
01-22-2007, 01:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>against the wall</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats actually really old. like a year and a half old. the lsc you posted is just as old, and the 6er one you posted isnt so new either.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah i know the X6 one is old cause ive seen it before but never saw the others..it pisses me off that ppl would post CG's of different models under completely irrelevent threads. Its extremely hard to keep track and remember every single chop posted. Only way to check is under its corresponding thread e.g X6 under the X6 thread. Not 6-series under 5-series or that crossover thingie under God knows where right?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
01-22-2007, 05:17 PM
That chop is more like what an X3 replacement should look like.

boston
02-25-2007, 01:46 AM
X6 is slated to be built in Spartenburg SC alongside its bigger brother. Something like a Range Rover Sport.<p>FWIW, BMW only very rarely builds 7 seat X5s. Not much demand for them I hear

the1
02-25-2007, 07:31 AM
BMW said it will launch an extremely radical concept at Geneva. I know the new M3 concept is supposed to be unveiled there, but I wonder if they might surprise us with a close to production X6 concept, too.

AM2K
02-25-2007, 07:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BMW said it will launch an extremely radical concept at Geneva. I know the new M3 concept is supposed to be unveiled there, but I wonder if they might surprise us with a close to production X6 concept, too.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>When and where did BMW say that? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

the1
02-25-2007, 10:29 AM
BMW is taking advantage of the most important annual motor show on the European continent to launch a variety of world premieres and to present a spectacular concept study.<br>BMWs Geneva Show press-release.

AM2K
02-25-2007, 02:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BMW is taking advantage of the most important annual motor show on the European continent to launch a variety of world premieres and to present a spectacular concept study.<br>BMWs Geneva Show press-release. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I get the feeling thats going to be the M3 concept.<p>BMW have never really been that spectacular and done more than one concept at the same time. They'll most likely focus on the M3 concept and thats it. <p>X6 will have to wait a while longer i guess (even though rumours about an RFK/X6 concept have been circling for years) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
02-25-2007, 02:53 PM
I think you're right... but BMW might still surprise us.

AM2K
02-25-2007, 03:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you're right... but BMW might still surprise us.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>People have hoped that for many years! But alas BMW never will surprise like that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And also, I doubt BMW would want to steal the limelight from something as important as M3 by displaying another model.<br>

VexedandGlorious
02-25-2007, 04:15 PM
i hope they show the RFK/X6. i want to see some exciting Flamesurfacing concepts. <br>there is nothing spectacular about a 3 series coupe with a body kit and a V8 engine producing 400 horses. nothing i tell you.

against the wall
02-25-2007, 07:02 PM
coming from a person with an M6 in their sig....

VexedandGlorious
02-25-2007, 07:36 PM
yeah i have a M6 in my sig, its a beautiful car. im sure the M3 will be beautiful(and will probaly be in my sig too)I cant wait for the M3 but the point is id rather see a new, fresh model(concept) than a high performance 3 series.

against the wall
02-25-2007, 07:44 PM
yeah youre right. there really is no point in bmw doing these preproduction concepts. like the Z4M preproduction concept. besides the wheels what did they change? plus, it says concept study, so it may just be something along the lines of the X6 in basic shape or form (with far from production things), to test what people think of a totally new thing. Everyone is fond of the M3 so they really dont have much to study.

the1
03-29-2007, 06:38 AM
<IMG SRC="http://media.autobild.de/bild/0/6d32e58320e215eccb490a3b2eaba090_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://media.autobild.de/bild/0/4f92ded7339e8581be97bd99260996d0_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Not bad, but the front end is out of place.

Superfresa
03-29-2007, 06:40 AM
Hmm... Closer to a Lexus RX than what I could've hoped for.... Front looks pretty good IMO tho...

the1
03-29-2007, 06:44 AM
Good, but too X5 for me. It needs different headlights.

CosworthKid
03-29-2007, 07:40 AM
Perhaps they should give it similar headlights to what's in store for the next Z4 as well, but as a whole i thing it looks great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>..of course its no CLS in disguise, just not as futuristic or different as i hoped for

the1
03-29-2007, 08:34 AM
Indeed. It's a bit too... plain. It's just another crossover and kinda looks like the Infiniti FX.

gawid
03-31-2007, 04:57 AM
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fippsey
03-31-2007, 08:00 AM
am lovin the spoiler on the roof like <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

lsleelee
03-31-2007, 11:45 AM
The rear visibility would be unbelievably horrible on that latest chop!<p>Amazing, BMW actually went out and bought Land Rover for a couple years just to learn how to make an SUV and still they got nothin'. They should stick to sport sedans.

IcedG35
03-31-2007, 12:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lsleelee</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The rear visibility would be unbelievably horrible on that latest chop!<p>Amazing, BMW actually went out and bought Land Rover for a couple years just to learn how to make an SUV and still they got nothin'. They should stick to sport sedans.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Have you ever seen an X5? Probably one of the best looking well thought out SUV's on the market... I'm sure this will be to the X5 what the CLS is to the E class, an even better looking, yet extremely impractical model extension that will sell based on nothing but looks, although BMW engineering isn't exactly something to underestimate.

mzoltarp
03-31-2007, 01:13 PM
I'm sure it will sell especially with 24 inch chromies on it, but aside from being a platform for a thumping stereo that eats all the cargo space, this creation is of dubious merit. It won't be as functional as an X5 nor as road worthy as an M5.

hilton
03-31-2007, 02:28 PM
What would be good would be an X5/X6M with the M5 V10 in it... we can only hope

mzoltarp
03-31-2007, 03:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quattro</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What would be good would be an X5/X6M with the M5 V10 in it... we can only hope</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really? And we would desire a higher center of gravity why exactly? An M5 wagon could handle trips to IKEA as easily as an X5 and in day to day driving would be more enjoyable. The Germans are brilliant designers--there is no question about that--but as I've said before they engineer things because they CAN and not because they are needed. The X5 is an SUV and is fairly competent at being an SUV. BMW did well with the latest X5. The X6 coupe-SUV-crossover-segment buster-thingie is an answer to a question of dubious merit. Sure we can engineer a 4 door coupe SUV, but to what end? To prove that we CAN would be BMW's answer. I think the newest X5 is light years better than the last and is the most attractive premium SUV in my book from any manufacturer. It's a good thing and ample evidence of hope that the oddness of Bangle is to become a memory replaced with styling beauty once again. An X5M in my book would be silly. My opinion of the X6 in any version is that it will be competent but ridiculous nevertheless. I can afford neither. To those who can: spend as you see fit.

WOB
04-03-2007, 04:54 PM
<A HREF="http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x6duy3.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/709/x6duy3.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><A HREF="http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x6edp9.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1083/x6edp9.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

mzoltarp
04-03-2007, 05:05 PM
mmmm K. The dash looks to be of terrible quality (must be camera distortion and lighting) and the rear seat claustrophobic. What are we supposed to be seeing in these pictures?

erzhik
04-03-2007, 05:19 PM
OMG, look at that roof line at the back, its going down so fast and low (reminds me of Aztek).. are we going to see a trunk in this car? or just rear seats and trunk door? Huckfeldt chops are getting accurate here<p>and oh man, that dash is soo fake <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>looks like they cut out a shape from cardboard, painted black and squeezed it on.

Comrade
04-03-2007, 07:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quattro</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What would be good would be an X5/X6M with the M5 V10 in it... <B>we</B> can only hope</TD></TR></TABLE><br>speak for yourself dude.<p>mzoltap: that's just a plastic cover revealing only the buttons.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Comrade at 10:04 PM 4/3/2007</i>

mzoltarp
04-03-2007, 08:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>mzoltap: that's just a plastic cover revealing only the buttons.<br><i>Modified by Comrade at 10:04 PM 4/3/2007</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow! Buttons! Be still my beating heart. The preocupation with interior shots on prototypes always amuses me.

Comrade
04-03-2007, 09:37 PM
Didn't realize you were being sarcastic at first.<p>

gawid
04-04-2007, 02:45 AM
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gawid
04-04-2007, 08:02 AM
BMW X6 V8<p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=24&image_id=575" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=575</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=24&image_id=576" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=576</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=24&image_id=577" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=577</A><p><br>

CosworthKid
04-04-2007, 09:25 AM
They made the 3er Coupe with a different, distinct front nose rather than the sedan's..yet it seems both the 1 Coupe and the X6 will carry the 1 hatch and X5 noses respectively, unchanged? Why?

Smart22186
04-04-2007, 10:21 AM
so its gonna be a 4 seater, hmm not the most practical vehicle then.

Tidal
04-04-2007, 12:11 PM
This car is shaping up to be a real let down imo. Too big, too cramped inside, too boxy, too compromised...

erzhik
04-04-2007, 12:13 PM
what's the purpose of this car? <br>FX rival?

VexedandGlorious
04-04-2007, 02:01 PM
nope a new nitch in the market i belive...