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Omar
03-30-2005, 10:56 AM
No thread again.<p>From 4Car<p>ARTICLE<br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/B/bmw-m5-touring/m5-touring_page_1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/g....html</A><p>PICS<br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/B/bmw/03-large/BMW-M5-Touring-001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/B/bmw/03-large/BMW-M5-Touring-002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/B/bmw/03-large/BMW-M5-Touring-003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/B/bmw/03-large/BMW-M5-Touring-004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...4.jpg</A>

fubar
03-30-2005, 11:43 AM
Nice. Alot less overstyled than the Sedan. Well done BMW

Player4
03-30-2005, 12:05 PM
WOW, ive never seen a wagon with over 500 horsepower.<p>TO me this is pointless, i mean who would want a wagon that is almost $100K, and has over 500 HP? People look at wagons for their convenience and storage and all those practical features not for a V10 engine that has 500 HP plues, or a $100K price tag.<p>THis is just pointless...

knicks125
03-30-2005, 12:13 PM
well said...pointless<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Fcuke
03-30-2005, 12:42 PM
*caugh* Pointless? BMW has been on the defensive on the Power-stationwagon-front. Audi has had their RS6. VW has had the Passat V8/v10(?). a Lot of the amiercan brands are powerful familywagons. BMW has discovered that with the new outstadning 5-series, they can make som success also in the power-wagon-front. To me it seems reasonable, and I ask myself why hasn't BMW had an M5 Touring before?<p>Theese car sells, and maybe in small numbers, but it is fine for the rich familyfather who wants power to brief with combined with a familycar. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
03-30-2005, 12:53 PM
i tell you why it's pointless,<p>the people who actually want a wagon most likely can not afford this<p>and the pople who are able to afford this wouldn't get this car anyone if they are money to throw around...they don't care about space, all they care is how other people look at their cars, it's called showoff <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

IcedG35
03-30-2005, 02:07 PM
Is this coming to the US and does the previous 5 series have a wagon version of the M5 in other countries?

Roadster44
03-30-2005, 03:46 PM
No Knicks it does make sense...rich wives some prefer these instead of an SUV. Plus wagons are more popular in Europe. And they do sell quite well...if there was no business case then they would not be made. You're forgetting success of Volvo V70R, E55AMG Wagon, and aforemention wagons. These days a manufacturer must make profitable cars, not volume cars. If they will make a profit on this M5 wagon without stressing BMW's resources then its a right thing to do.

Ascariss
03-30-2005, 04:25 PM
Wasn't the RS6 wagon sold out? or near sold out?

jlaidler
03-30-2005, 04:54 PM
I for one find a wagon less pointless than a sedan. But then, some people love sedans, I have never understood them vs. a wagon.

knicks125
03-30-2005, 05:41 PM
some of us here think it's pointless, and some of us here think otherwise...so there...happy?

erzhik
03-30-2005, 06:33 PM
M5 Touarer? damn.. looks like BMW are really pissed off at Audi RS6.. Let's just wait till Audi will launch their new RS6 wagon.. Can't wait to see who will be faster.. Probably Audi, but who knows

Roadster44
03-30-2005, 07:27 PM
Some of us might be plain wrong. lol

Uberwagon
03-30-2005, 08:51 PM
Who wants a 500 hp M5 wagon? Uberwagon does!<p>No seriously, I dig wagons. I've got a 540 touring and it is SO much better to drive, haul and enjoy than any of the number of SUV's I've had. Wagons, despite the "family" image some people still hold to it, are simply better driving machines and make more sense than sedans. <p>IMHO, of course!

Reppu
03-30-2005, 10:36 PM
In terms of business, the only pointless car is the car that doesn't sell. In terms of customer, a car is not pointless if it serves a purpose, being it either showoff or fast practicality or whatever. It might not be YOUR desired purpose though....

Top Secret
03-31-2005, 01:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Wagons, despite the "family" image some people still hold to it, are simply <B>better driving machines</B> and make more sense than sedans. <p>IMHO, of course!</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Better driving machines? I don't really get that.

RikfromBelgium
03-31-2005, 03:58 AM
I'm not sure. Something in me hesitates to accept these pictures. It just seems weird that after months and months of doubt, suddenly an undisguised M5 touring is on picture. And why without the M-mirrors?<p>It certainly looks good, but I'm curious how it will affect the handling. Not sure about this. <br>Didn't BMW have an M5 touring 2 or 3 generations ago?

Fcuke
03-31-2005, 05:52 AM
NO, i don't think so. I think it was the RS6 Plus. Abit more luxurious and only made in a number of cars. The regular one was made till they took it out of prduction <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>To this car: <p>Maybe it's a concept? That hasn't been published yet. We'll see! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

carmaniac
03-31-2005, 06:30 AM
Wagons &gt; Sedans<p>No wonder foreign automakers keep their best product from North America....Americans are afraid of them :p

knicks125
03-31-2005, 06:48 AM
18 wheeler &gt; wagon<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-31-2005, 06:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carmaniac</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wagons &gt; Sedans<p>No wonder foreign automakers keep their best product from North America....Americans are afraid of them :p</TD></TR></TABLE><p>its worse than that, even the domestic ( based ) automakers keep the best stuff out of NA <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

NOM15
03-31-2005, 07:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Didn't BMW have an M5 touring 2 or 3 generations ago? </TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/pictures/1993_BMW_M5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Yeah, and personally I love it... but then again I've always liked wagons <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>As for this.... well I agree with Rik. It does seem a bit odd, however, the E60 is growing on me (alltho I still don't really like it (esp. not the Touring)).<p>Very interesting nonetheless.

Uberwagon
03-31-2005, 09:43 AM
Yeah, I'm not so sure those photos were an M5 either. The four pipes are the only indicator. Shouldn't it have larger wheels if they are testing? <p>Americans seem to have trouble seeing "sport" and "wagon" in the same sentence, much less the same car. Too many years of faux wood paneled family haulers left a nasty image in people's minds, according to research. But if they get over image and look at the machine, it makes FAR more sense for most than an SUV. From an engineering standpoint, there are simply too many compromises made to put people, systems and weight up that high. <p>But sportwagons today are one of the fastest growing niches in the US so, perhaps there's a place for an M5 Touring here.

knicks125
03-31-2005, 09:59 AM
i am not sure wether sportwagons today in fact are one of the fastest growing niches in the US, even if it is, i doubt a lot of people would spend 100k on a wagon...

Fcuke
03-31-2005, 11:40 AM
I'll tell you one thing. 100k $ isn't anything for a car in Norway, where I live. In norway a A4 2.0T +S Line + most extra supplyment costs 100k $... the M5 would be like 180k $ in Norway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Still people buy it. =)

Santeno
03-31-2005, 11:47 AM
Is that $100,000 (US) or 100,000 Kroner?<br>If you are saying that entry level luxury cars cost close to $100,000 in Norway I would say that you are incorrect. I will believe hi end high spec versions of CERTAIN cars (such as the M5), when you take into account the enormous tax burden that such a car carries in a country such as norway. Either way, with 5 million people in the entire country, I can't imagine that too many are sold at any price.

Uberwagon
03-31-2005, 12:00 PM
No, a $90k wagon won't sell very well...in the US (for reasons cited). Elsewhere it might do well, depending on how they define success.<p>Sportwagons are indeed one of the fastest growing niches here - I work for an auto manufacturer and we hear about it every day. Gas prices are part of the issue but we're finding a lot of people who are "over" their SUV's (myself included). Younger people (25-34) in particular are moving toward more functional cars. For many that means trucks but as those begin to fall out of style (sales are off), wagons see a boost. Sedans and, in particular coupes, are not fitting the lifestyle needs of everyday people the way they once did. <p>What does this have to do with an M5 Touring? Not much: It'll be a niche OF a niche. Sorry to get off topic.

knicks125
03-31-2005, 12:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fcuke</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll tell you one thing. 100k $ isn't anything for a car in Norway, where I live. In norway a A4 2.0T +S Line + most extra supplyment costs 100k $... the M5 would be like 180k $ in Norway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Still people buy it. =)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>as Santeno has pointed out, and I might add that you would think 100k isn't much in Norway, which is an obvious false precetion anyway, in most markets, 100k for a car is considered the begining circle for a ultra luxury car in the US. Still people would buy it, but how many, i hope it's more than the 9-2x...<p>i hope in Norway a Yugo doesn't cost 100k...

Fcuke
03-31-2005, 12:49 PM
Let me explain closely:<p>1$ = 6,3kroner~<br>The Audi I told about, that is a A4 2.0T S-line + TV/Navi etc etc. costed 700 000 norwegian kroner which is about 111 111$. The BMW M3 cost 1 000 000 NOK(kroner) which is about 160 000$. The M5 will definitely cost more than that. I think about 1 400 000 NOK = 222 222 $. So it's actually more than I said.<p>Norway is full of taxes, but I guess our salaries follows them:<p>A normal salary for one year in norway is about 300 000 NOK = 48 000 $<br>I am 16 and I've got the lowest salary posible, 82 NOK/hour = 13 $/hour. ANd I am only working on sundays so i've got 102 NOK/hour = 16 $/hour.<p>I think that's a big difference from the US. I guess grown-ups have about 120-140 NOK/hour = 19-22$/hour.<p>If u'd like to try to import a car to norway, try this site: <A HREF="http://www.toll.no/bin/bilavgift" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toll.no/bin/bilavgift</A><p>Personbil is standard as type of vehicle. Find the car u'd like to import and press "velg". "egenvekt" is the wight of the car in kilograms. Motoreffekt is the power of the car, either in Horsepowers(HK) or KW. the last one is the size of the engine.in ccm. e.g: 1997... then it is the date for the first time registration of the car in this format: DD.MM.YYYY. e.g. 25.01.2001.. THen hit "Kalkuler avgifter" and check out "totalt". then u've got the taxes. And if that wasn't enough. we've gotta pay 25% of the car's value to the government. enter the price of the car and choose "amerikanske dollar" which is US Dollars. Then hit "Kalkuler MVA". then chekc out "Engangsavgift + MVA". That is all the taxes in total. Divide the number with 6.3 to get US Dollars and add the price of the car to it. Then u've got the norwegian price of your car in US dollars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>I tried to calculate this car: <br><A HREF="http://www.mobile.de/SIDBfASXp5Z2oN4Quwvrwl97g-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11Iindex_cgiJ1112305481A 1Iindex_cgiD1100CCarZ-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1B61B20C112%81I-t-vCaMkMoSeSmVb_X_Y_x_y~BSRA6D1100D3500E330xiCPKWE33 0XIHinPublicA2A0A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=pkw&top=65&id=11111111159642643" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mobile.de/SIDBfASXp...42643</A>&<p>I got a total price of 481 201 NOK = 76 381 $<p>Nice price huh?<p>- Fcuke

scott26
03-31-2005, 01:03 PM
BMW are looking at an M5 Touring As they reckon it is time to enter this market . BMW reckon that they have the ultimate product in the sedan and the Touring is a very logical step. <p>All too aware that there is a brace of Audi Avants coming both in RS4 and RS6 and Mercedes-Benz thinking of counter attacking with 6.5 AMG E-Klasse. To regain some sort of power control of the high performance luxury sedan and wagon market.<p>As the saying goes : Power corrupts - Knowing all to well the AMG CL65 - benchmarked when developing the M6 and M5. They know the power to weight ratio and that the CL65 is very nose heavy at the front - More power = more weight. And the E55 is very heavy enough as it is.<p>BMW all to aware that less weight is the key to formulating success in this market have considerably moved the goal posts and it is the Bavarians who score each time. With lightweight components , alluminium , carbon fibre all being developed into the M-cars . <p>A Touring will eclipse losing market share for BMW allbeit a very small percentage of market share - All to aware that customers wanting a high performance wagon leave to our competitors<br>when BMW who have the ultimate performance sedan cannot provide for their customers. That will no longer be the case.<p>The wagon will have a significant weight increase because of it's purpose but BMW are working to make this a benefit to the overall handling of the Touring. <p>But that does not mean the sedan is finished with. Some developments from the M6 are being tested on the M5 for development purposes and maybe an inclusion of a more powerful addition. As no one seems to be standing still . Of course the M6 will be developed further as the M6 Coupe car is such an astounding acheivement. The M6 developments are not to be seen as marketing gimmicks the car is such a powerful beast! <p>Features such as a carbon fibre roof - successfully hidden in the M6 developent program - even I did not know about. Carbon fibre components , areodynamic additions more powerful brakes and updated powerplants the V10 can be developed to considerably higher outputs. <br>These can be identified by M5's on M6 wheels.<p> That if BMW were to use the current V10 in a range topping roadster or supercar it would be the base powerplant.<p>The introduction of a productionized carbon fibre roof has amazed the establishment now they know it is physically possible .<br> Indeed at Geneva Porsche engineers were all over the M6 - I think that a forthcoming 911 will also benefit from this development.<p>By experimenting with a M5 Touring it also allows for BMW to enter the smaller performance wagon market with an M3 Touring .<p>By no means will this be a step back for BMW M as following AMG with every BMW range getting an M model. <p>Sedan , Coupe , Cabrio and now Touring opens a direction which to keep the core aspects of the brand The phillosophy will not change with additions to the core M cars . The most powerful letter in the world will also register with wagon as well as sedan , coupe.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scott26 at 1:09 PM 3/31/2005</i>

Uberwagon
03-31-2005, 01:20 PM
Thanks for being on this forum, scott26! A lot of us are really enjoying your posts. Cheers!

thedesigner
03-31-2005, 05:49 PM
I'm pretty sure I ready in a euro mag that this is a cosmetic and performance upgrade for the estate.... not a full fledged M model. The tires are too narrow and it's not a dead ringer in other regards.... I believe the wheel wells are not swollen enough either to accept the width of tire needed to tackle the M5's 500 HP.

zwei Biere bitte
03-31-2005, 06:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i tell you why it's pointless,<p>the people who actually want a wagon most likely can not afford this<p>and the pople who are able to afford this wouldn't get this car anyone if they are money to throw around...they don't care about space, all they care is how other people look at their cars, it's called showoff <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>[QUOTE=knicks125]<p>Pointless you say, eh? So you say pointless is being not only able to drive the kids to school, but being able to go to the local track day and carry the dog around, plus folding down the seats for extra capacity. How do you know people with some cash to burn don't care about space? Have you ever had that kind of money before? And while buying an M5 may be to show off a little, I say the performance and practicality benefits far outweigh the show-off aspects. And like someone else mentioned, the RS6 Avant actually did pretty well while being a wagon.

Gisle
03-31-2005, 06:29 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.bmw.no/bilde.asp?id=4484" BORDER="0"><p>All about taxes and salary in Norway are true. So I want a 520d Touring insted. Do our Honorable Gentlemen know anything of this? As for now, the cheapest 5-series Touring in Norway now is the 523i starting at : 531.000,- NOK.<br>

knicks125
04-01-2005, 05:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=knicks125]Have you ever had that kind of money before?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, but I am not going to put all of my money on one car. I have other financial liablities such as car lease payments, insurance, mortgage, credit cards, discretionary spendings. For many of you here, responsiblities you don't have to worry about yet...which is a good thing.<p>As for the car itself, the reason why I said it was pointless is because the majority consumer buyers is not even going to think about purchasing...only a selective few would even consider, the ones that have some cash to burn, but I have seen most of them owning aston martins, ferraris, range rovers, among others...I have rarely seen any of them driving a wagon, except for Volvos and Audi regular Avants and Allroad, not to say those are bad cars.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 9:11 AM 4/1/2005</i>

pcurve
04-04-2005, 07:44 AM
Americans have it real good when it comes to being able to afford fancy imports. Average wage in U.S. comparable to those of EU nations. Income tax rate is certainly lower. But cars here are cheaper than in the countries from where they originate. I can't speak for other EU nations, but people pay $100,000 for a volvo in Denmark. And that was 10 years ago.<p>Yet here in the northeastern part of U.S., I see college grads driving bmw 325i and audi a4 all thanks to their 70k/year+ jobs, (and also the delusional purchasing power afforded by $349/month lease specials).<p>Anyway... I'd have to agree with everyone else on M5 wagon being pointless. Most 5 wagons sold in the U.S. were 525i or 528i variants. By introducing the wagon variant, I think it degrades the M5 image somewhat.

LEXUS FAN!
04-04-2005, 04:45 PM
an M5 Touring is like an oxymoron because it is a fast station wagon basically sort of like the Dodge Magnum.

Mindless T
04-04-2005, 05:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zwei Biere bitte</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=knicks125]<p>Pointless you say, eh? So you say pointless is being not only able to drive the kids to school, but being able to go to the local track day and carry the dog around, plus folding down the seats for extra capacity. How do you know people with some cash to burn don't care about space? Have you ever had that kind of money before? And while buying an M5 may be to show off a little, I say the performance and practicality benefits far outweigh the show-off aspects. And like someone else mentioned, the RS6 Avant actually did pretty well while being a wagon. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I always carry my dog around when I race at Laguna Seca and then after couple laps I pick up my kids from school Shumacher style, tho my brake pads start smoking a bit <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

thedesigner
04-05-2005, 12:07 AM
I'm sorry.... silly Americans.... does anyone remember an S4 avant... an RS4 avant, and the S6 and RS6 avants? The RS versions were sold overseas and were freaking monsters.... in other countries they appreciate functionality and utility in their uber-sedans.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">an M5 Touring is like an oxymoron because it is a fast station wagon basically sort of like the Dodge Magnum.</TD></TR></TABLE> You mean the Magnum is basically sort of like the European cars that have been pummeling the Autobon for years? Oxymoron? I don't see how adding 50-150 lbs. in space and utility to a 500hp monster makes the car an oxymoron.... I think it makes it the most kick-ass vacation vehicle out there.

Fcuke
04-05-2005, 07:03 AM
I dont think the M5 touring is meant for the US market. I think it's made for the european market, where those kinds of cars sell <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-05-2005, 08:58 AM
When there is a new car that comes to the market, you always want to ask yourself a few questions and hopefully you'd be able to answer them, the same goes for this (answer may vary depending in the region you reside):<p>Do consumers think this type of vehichles is useful? A: Somewhat, for the purpose, yes!<p>Are consumers interested in this? A: No, not really<p>Do most consumers have enough dough to purchase this? A: Nope...<p>You get the idea...as more questions can be asked but let's stop here and conclude that although this wagon is useful in many ways (as are all wagons), it is still <I>pointless</I> in the US being that people who can afford this will just get the M5 sports sedan and, if they want more space, they will move over and get the Range Rover, above are just examples...

Fcuke
04-05-2005, 10:39 AM
In europe there are sickly many rich people, and this kind of car is made for them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> the ones with cash.

knicks125
04-05-2005, 10:52 AM
like I said, it varies between regions, as for here, there is no point bring in this, and as someone mentioned previously, it would just bring down the image of the M, which is somewhat true...

r3vilo
04-05-2005, 11:16 AM
first of all: gd work bmw <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I think this was necessary in order to keep up with rs6 and e55<br>second: naked allready?mb Im behind...but i aint seen no pics before this...and i thoun bmw had security and bodyguards an stuff<br>third: ur gonna need all of those horses when towin ur trailler <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

G6 GT
05-08-2005, 02:53 PM
M5's aren't made to show off... they look just like a normal sedan to most people. So a touring version of it will just follow the same idea... It will be for connaisseurs that are looking for a "sleeper" that has just more practicality. And car fans like us will still distinguish it by looking at the badges, mufflers, etc. There is room for that.

Nick
05-09-2005, 12:18 AM
I could've sworn i saw one of these driving around the other day...infact i know i did...it looked pretty good...

BMW-fanatic
05-09-2005, 07:20 AM
This isn't a BMW M5 Touring. Just look at the side-mirrors and jou will see that they don't have the special aerodynamic shape as the M5 sedan. This is just an ordinary 5-series Touring with the optional M-sportspackage.

RikfromBelgium
05-09-2005, 09:27 AM
Look a little closer. Mirrors can be put on afterwardss, no problems.<br>But those new bumpers are different from the M-package, they're sharper like on the real M5.<br>And, most importantly, it has no fog-lights, which a 5 series with a sportpackage would have.

BMW-fanatic
05-09-2005, 09:49 AM
I don't know jet. I know the BMW-camouflages (seen a lot of them) and a new model is always extreemly packed. Just look at the new X5 and jou will know what I mean. <br>An M7 is coming by the way. I saw it on my holiday in Germany.

RikfromBelgium
05-09-2005, 09:54 AM
This is not a new car, we've already seen the M5, just like the M6 cabrio doesn't have to be heavily disguised because we already saw the M6.<p>there will be no M7, maybe you saw something else, perhaps Alpina B7.

skoochythatone
05-10-2005, 06:01 AM
I followed the whole "is there a need for a station wagon with that much horsepower" discussion in here, and let me tell you. A nice comfortable wagon with lots of space and lots of horsepower is something really really nice. I am driving an E350 from MB right now and that thing is FAST and the way it sits on the road, especially on long drives, is really really comfortable and makes the drive very relaxed.

Reppu
05-10-2005, 08:22 AM
I don't see why they should be pointless as long as the weight is not excessive. I prefer having more space rather than less. I don't know why a father with two small children and lot of money to spend would not buy an M5 touring.

Uberwagon
05-10-2005, 02:35 PM
Agree. I think the "too much horsepower for a wagon" issue is a bit backward-looking. Wagons still have the old "image" of family trucksters, left over from the wood-paneled 70's. But todays sportwagons have evolved just as sport sedans have. Since there's no debate about 500 hp in a sedan, it seems silly to think this is too much for its platform-mate. Sales-wise, it won't match the sedan but there are buyers for this kind of vehicle.<p>Apart from a minor weight penalty (around 100lbs) and the dog occassionaly getting speed-run induced motion sickness in the back, my own sportwagon makes for an excellent everyday performance vehicle. I wouldn't think of driving another SUV ever again.<p>

Roadster44
05-10-2005, 03:07 PM
Its no longer reasonable to have one car appeal to everyone. There has to be a wide range of vehicles for all the customers with money. Granted these vehicles have to be profitable.

Superfresa
05-10-2005, 04:00 PM
This is a cool adition to the ///M family. I'd take this over the normal M5 if I had the money. Very nice styling, good space for the family (needed - if it wasn't needed people would get the M3) and a supercar under the bonnet!

carlisimo
05-10-2005, 09:35 PM
Think of this as a getaway car for someone carrying off a ton of gold bullion. You need the space, and you need the torque and strong suspension.<p>Hmm, that gives me an idea...

r3vilo
05-11-2005, 11:43 AM
the M5 touring is def. a vital addition to the M family. There was the E55 and RS6 wagons years ago.

RikfromBelgium
05-11-2005, 12:10 PM
and before that there was the E39 Touring M5

Ascariss
05-11-2005, 12:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and before that there was the E39 Touring M5 </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Only one exists, and the car was never put into full producton, ie it's not a production model.

RikfromBelgium
05-11-2005, 12:28 PM
sorry, wrong number.<br>I meant E34 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://www.bmwccn.no/nor/kapittel1/galleriet/galleriet_rs2003_bld19.jpg" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
05-11-2005, 01:45 PM
Wow, I feel like I am amongst "my people" on this thread! And it's not just the stupid username I chose when I registered! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Forgive me if I have missed part of the tread but I can not recall if this variant has even been confirmed yet. Perhaps our resident BMW insider can help us? I know the M3 Touring has been confirmed but, spypics aside, there seemed to be an outstanding question about the M5 version, if I remember correctly.<p>Has anyone seen any chops of either - M5 or M3 Touring?

rapido
05-16-2005, 01:46 AM
That's not an M5 - it's a 5 series wagon with the motorsport kit launched even before the M5 sedan around the same time that the M5 concept appeared ... that's the reason for the non-M5 mirrors.

RikfromBelgium
05-16-2005, 02:30 AM
You're the third or second guy who said the same thing in this thread, please read before you post <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>so here's the reply again<br>"Look a little closer. Mirrors can be put on afterwardss, no problems.<br>But those new bumpers are different from the M-package, they're sharper like on the real M5.<br>And, most importantly, it has no fog-lights, which a 5 series with a sportpackage would have. "<p>

BMW MFreak
05-16-2005, 04:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>"Look a little closer. Mirrors can be put on afterwardss, no problems.<br>But those new bumpers are different from the M-package, they're sharper like on the real M5.<br>And, most importantly, it has no fog-lights, which a 5 series with a sportpackage would have. "</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, right. Because the V10 needs all the air it can get. <br>Another hint at the M5. It has 4 exhausts as you can see in the last picture.

DSC-OFF
06-30-2005, 08:54 AM
<A HREF="http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=6890" TARGET="_blank">http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...=6890</A><p><A HREF="http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=6891&stc=1&thumb=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...umb=1</A><p><A HREF="http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=6892&stc=1&thumb=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...umb=1</A><p><A HREF="http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=6893&stc=1&thumb=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...umb=1</A><p><A HREF="http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=6894&stc=1&thumb=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...umb=1</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=55641" TARGET="_blank">M5Board</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:03 AM 7/22/2005</i>

RikfromBelgium
06-30-2005, 09:29 AM
and that's not a real M5, it's an afterjob

erzhik
06-30-2005, 11:25 AM
yeah that's not real M5, looks like one surely.<br>but the gear shift tells the truth.

thedesigner
07-22-2005, 01:25 AM
The E55 AMG is here in wagon form... 460 some-odd HP and all. We all know Audi is horny for wagons... BMW is going to do it... I hope BMW is going to do it... why not? Make a few hundred and sell a few hundred. They wont be languishing by the dozens on the lots with discounts and rebates. These aren't Malibu Maxx's we're talking about. I'm glad someone reiterated what I said a while ago... a 100lb. penalty and the space that comes along with the wagon, not to mention the styling for those who appreciate functionality w/form, will contribute a neglible diminishment of performance. No one is going to pull up to an M5 touring at a traffic light and giggle as if it were a mom-mobile. If I had the dough I'd easily consider this over anything around 80k. the upcoming Z06 might give it trouble, the F430 and the upcoming 911turbo could certainly tame it on a race track... but what kinds of rides are those? Semi-useless 2 doors that get a ticket sitting still. Got kids? forget it. Got friends? forget it. Got groceries from Costco? forget it. Vacation? forget it. Dogs? forget it. This is truly the everyday supercar if there ever were. I'll take mine in black with the dsg and a roof rack. I still don't believe those pics are of an authentic M5 touring... as much as I wish they were. I stated my case long ago. Those tires are too narrow... that suspension is too high... where are the M fender vents? Another point... why would BMW be doing cold weather testing in an M5 wagon? They've already engineered the M5 sedan at the point of these pics... of what benefit could it be to test a wagon version? Wouldn't wagon tuning be done on a track where the M5 lives and breathes? <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by thedesigner at 1:39 AM 7/22/2005</i>

scott26
07-22-2005, 05:53 AM
Watch out for upcoming news with the official details.<br>There will be an M5 Touring but this will be for european customers only - as of now export to the US is not expected to happen as performance wagons are less popular than performance sedans .

Top Secret
07-22-2005, 06:21 AM
What about Australian deliveries scott26?

DSC-OFF
07-23-2005, 08:53 PM
<A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72111.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72111.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72113.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72113.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72114.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72114.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72115.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/72115.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://autobild.de/" TARGET="_blank">Autobild</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 8:24 PM 11/3/2005</i>

AM2K
11-03-2005, 01:26 PM
Recent pics of the M5 Touring in a nice black colour:<p><A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0021" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0021</A><p>This is another model that will apparantly have its press release within the next month or two...

SHEPO
11-03-2005, 03:07 PM
sweeeeeet...but who would be an M5 wagon over an M5 sedan???

against the wall
11-03-2005, 03:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FerrariSheppy36</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sweeeeeet...but who would be an M5 wagon over an M5 sedan???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>probably for the same reason someone would want a e55 wagon.

Krypton
11-03-2005, 04:20 PM
yea similar performance with a bit more room<br>Guessing these are more torwards the european market

Nath
11-03-2005, 04:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FerrariSheppy36</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sweeeeeet...but who would be an M5 wagon over an M5 sedan???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Someone who wants the performance but cant own a second car.... the standard M5 isn't exactly big in the boot

geary
11-04-2005, 01:35 AM
If I remember correctly, the RS6 Avant went faster than the Sedan in Australia last year.

Comrade
12-07-2005, 08:43 PM
<A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/98032/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...kip=1</A> click the arrow to see the next 2 shots.

Porschefan
12-08-2005, 09:49 AM
What is truly pointless about the car is...EVERYTHING! The styling is repulsive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> , iDrive was some crackhead's <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> dream of simple packaging, and NO ONE NEEDS A 500 HP WAGON!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
12-08-2005, 10:13 AM
No one needs a 500hp wagon? Well there is a business case for it, BMW feels like they will make money on it. Also I've said this a thousand times...there must be cars to suit all tastes as long as there is even the slightest bit of profit margins in there. That is good for volume. No one needs a 500hp wagon...says who?

bm88
01-15-2006, 04:40 AM
Think these are the first undesguised pics:<p><A HREF="http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/photo/bmwfamilie2005/SA310633.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/pho...3.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/photo/bmwfamilie2005/SA310634.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/pho...4.JPG</A><p>They are from some kind of BMW driving event, and I guess "studie" would make this car an internal BMW concept to show to managment etc.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MOORHOUSE at 11:46 AM 1/15/2006</i>

Mil
01-15-2006, 04:55 AM
i was thinking about that little spoiler just below the rear window, they have always had on the m5 tourings (i think) it sort of trademark...lol

Superfresa
01-15-2006, 05:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Porschefan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is truly pointless about the car is...EVERYTHING! The styling is repulsive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> , iDrive was some crackhead's <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> dream of simple packaging, and NO ONE NEEDS A 500 HP WAGON!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Easy there mate,<p>I fail to see whats pointless of a wagon that is really a sports car underneath offering the bennefit of both worlds. The idrive IS annoying and BMW should kill it for once and for all, but there's better ways of saying it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> and noone needs 500 bhp on a ferrari either but there...<p>I am curious to see what this turns out like. A very interesting car indeed.

Mil
01-15-2006, 05:14 AM
Maybe there going to use the m% touring at 'the ring'...maybe a safety car or something like that....huh?

RikfromBelgium
01-15-2006, 06:16 AM
those pictures are fake, just some dude who modified his touring. I saw this car months ago. I mean, yellow brakes? I don't think so <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

bm88
01-15-2006, 06:38 AM
Even if they are fake, its as realistic as possible.

RikfromBelgium
01-15-2006, 06:55 AM
true, without the yellow brakes though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

odic
01-16-2006, 01:18 AM
realistic? yes<p>m6 rims? no way

haji
01-16-2006, 02:19 AM
cool pics, but no surprise though...<br>its looks just as everyone has expected

the cheddar
01-16-2006, 04:05 PM
Yeah, that seems to be a dealership selling a tarted-up 550T. Don't know...<p>When it DOES reveal itself, I doubt it'll make it to the U.S. -- All the "pointless" comments from us Yanks on this board illustrate the welcome mat wagons receive here. I would argue there is a point to fast, crisp-handling sportwagons but it seems to fall on deaf ears!

DSC-OFF
06-13-2006, 02:27 PM
<A HREF="http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9595/m5touring1w4le.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img48.imageshack.us/img...e.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4116/m5touring2w6nw.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img218.imageshack.us/im...w.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoscoops.eu/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1150114933&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2&" TARGET="_blank">AutoScoops</A><br> <br>

Smart22186
06-13-2006, 04:47 PM
ha looks like its lost its rear wheel (yes i know it hasnt!)<br>

gawid
06-23-2006, 02:15 PM
<A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=443" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=443</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=447" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=447</A><br>

AM2K
08-03-2006, 12:27 PM
Recent pics of a late touring test mule:<p><A HREF="http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/Ozren7/m5touring21f3308818.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i14.photobucket.com/alb...8.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/Ozren7/m5touring1063c4db8d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i14.photobucket.com/alb...d.jpg</A><p><br>Source: <A HREF="http://www.m5board.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.m5board.com</A> / Oz-cro

against the wall
08-03-2006, 01:01 PM
whats with the green in the headlights?

Ace of Spades
08-03-2006, 01:42 PM
It could be Xenon lights if the quality of the photo is not very good. Or maybe they're creating a whole new experience in automotive lighting. It wouldn't vbe the first time. We'll know soon!

AM2K
08-13-2006, 02:15 PM
M5 Touring Preview:<p><A HREF="http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/m-series/bmw-m5-touring-preview-ar10663.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.topspeed.com/cars/b....html</A><p>

TopGear
08-13-2006, 06:41 PM
Well... I gues that beats the piss out of my favorite wagon, the subaru legacy Sti. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>PS. ifind it pretty funny that there is a very cheerfull noise when you turn it on, me personally would set it to something like hold on or go to the bathroom before driving b/c youl probably wind up S*%*in your pants. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

carmaniac
08-13-2006, 06:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MOORHOUSE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Think these are the first undesguised pics:<p><A HREF="http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/photo/bmwfamilie2005/SA310633.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/pho...3.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/photo/bmwfamilie2005/SA310634.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dcn.ad.jp/~kama/pho...4.JPG</A><p>They are from some kind of BMW driving event, and I guess "studie" would make this car an internal BMW concept to show to managment etc.<p><br><i>Modified by MOORHOUSE at 11:46 AM 1/15/2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Studie is a tuning house in Japan: <A HREF="http://www.studie.jp/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.studie.jp/index.html</A>

Roadster44
08-13-2006, 08:13 PM
Coming to US?

scott26
08-14-2006, 01:58 AM
<B>" The Next Phase of Performance"</B> .... The BMW M5 Touring.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Coming to US?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As of now... No!

Roadster44
08-14-2006, 06:21 AM
You sound very disappointed by it! I am too...I'd have gotten one. I love making such different statements. Have they at least tried building a business case for it?

against the wall
08-14-2006, 08:07 AM
scott you guys not bringing it to the u.s. because you looked at the sales of the e amg wagon right? i understand, its not worth it.

AM
09-14-2006, 04:15 AM
Say what you will, but this would be a better, more comfortable cross-continental tourer than a car twice the price.

Roadster44
09-14-2006, 07:31 AM
I am absolutely in love with this thing, but then again get a kick out of driving S4, S6 wagons.

the cheddar
09-15-2006, 01:02 AM
Yeah, I'm a sportwagon fan too. I just plain dig being able to blast mountain roads while carrying my camping equipment, dog, friends, etc. Makes everyday driving fun, exactly like a sports sedan. SUV's are SO lame and it doesn't make sense for me to have two cars right now (although a Spec Miata racer is in the plans) so the touring is a great ride...<p>Unfortunately, wagons are terrible sellers here (they just cancelled the C-class wagon), no matter how cool. I can't imagine they'd sell more than a handful of the M5 Touring's. Hardly worth the additional marketing and certification costs. : (

CWW
11-01-2006, 08:40 AM
Here is the real thing:<p><A HREF="http://www.cwwcardesign.com/sightings/bmw_m5_touring.html" TARGET="_blank">&gt;&gt; M5 Touring &lt;&lt;</A><p>Got the picture from the photographer, just removed a little camo and some pieces of black tape.

erzhik
11-01-2006, 09:43 AM
lol... looks normal<br>is that Schumacher behind the wheel? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">