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Bern
03-22-2005, 04:09 PM
French magazine l'Auto-Journal has what they clim are exclusive photos of the Peugeot 308.<br>If someone can scan the pictures.<p>Here's the cover.<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autojournal.fr/auto_img/sommaire/couv.gif" BORDER="0"><br>

Superfresa
03-22-2005, 05:58 PM
It looks more like a 307 Facelift...

bolita
03-23-2005, 11:59 AM
Looks more like a 307 chop... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
03-23-2005, 12:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks more like a 307 chop... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>....or face-lift, don't know if the car is long enough on the market for a new one, 308..<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by r0b at 11:30 AM 3/23/2005</i>

Bern
03-25-2005, 08:20 AM
Here is the original Auto-Journal article scanned by TofDom from Forum-peugeot.com<p><IMG SRC="http://img95.exs.cx/img95/4952/numriser0006bis6dh.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img95.exs.cx/img95/5564/scan0001bis0je.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img95.exs.cx/img95/1779/scan0002bis0om.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img95.exs.cx/img95/2201/scan0003bis8xj.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img95.exs.cx/img95/8167/numriser0006collbis2po.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

Redline
03-25-2005, 08:39 AM
I hope its a chop, the 307 look much better I think and has no real need for a facelift.

r3vilo
03-25-2005, 11:24 AM
hmmmmm..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> ....that looks like a 307 facelift.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
03-25-2005, 01:47 PM
i say facelift ...<br>

klier
03-26-2005, 08:06 AM
Isn't the 206 the car to go first?

r0b
03-26-2005, 04:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>klier</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't the 206 the car to go first?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>206 is on the market since '98..it should go firt...This is probably a facelift!

Ascariss
03-26-2005, 04:41 PM
Uhm didn't the 307 just get a facelift and there were press pics?

Bern
03-26-2005, 04:48 PM
The 207 will be launched next year.<p>In the previous article, you can see the 307 facelift photos. It's the red car.<p>The 308, a brand new model, will come in 2008.

pandorama
03-26-2005, 04:49 PM
This is a chop of the 2008 308, you can see the facelift of the 307 in the article. The 207 is coming in the end of the year...

Ascariss
03-26-2005, 05:12 PM
Maybe the person who made the chop wanted to sell it as a 207 but the mag decided no. lol

AM2K
03-27-2005, 05:09 AM
just for everyones information:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12504&page=2" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zer...age=2</A><p>The link above is to the 307 facelift thread, just in case you want to see the progress of spy-shots compared to the new 308..<p>Personally i think this 308 will be looking a lot better than the 307 facelift... it looks a lot more complete, rather than a "bolted on front" as with the current facelift..

Spock
04-16-2005, 06:56 AM
Article (in french) about future 308, and chop from Caradisiac. Link : <A HREF="http://www.caradisiac.com/php/essai_tun/topsecret/220/mg_8604_peugeot_308.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caradisiac.com/php/...8.php</A><p> <IMG SRC="http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag220/top_secret_peugeot_308_big.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>4.3 m long - I think thats more than Golf, less than Mazda 3.

r3vilo
04-19-2005, 11:49 AM
yeah, i see difference now. different bonnet, different fogs....hmmm...subtle.....Im getting to like the 3-door 308 now!!!!

erzhik
04-19-2005, 03:43 PM
looks like a new version,not a facelift..

Bern
04-20-2005, 01:13 AM
According to some sources at PSA, there was quite some noice recently about some photos of the upcoming 308 being leaked to the press. So I guess, they are these ones... and they are real.<p>The source of the leak was an employee of a contractor working on the project, who have been fired since then...<p>Forget about Caradisiac, their spy pictures are always bad jokes.

Tidal
05-14-2005, 06:10 AM
Some renditions found in portuguese magazine Auto Foco. It will get the new engines developed with BMW, and the diesels will get a little bit more power. Launch is due in '07 for the hatch.<p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img227.echo.cx/img227/5295/pug3081ll.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img227.echo.cx/img227/5696/pug308rear2ym.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>The SW... <p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img227.echo.cx/img227/7426/pug308sw9ut.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>... is only due in '08, and it will only have 5 seats, because of... <p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img227.echo.cx/img227/6420/pug30088bb.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img227.echo.cx/img227/6653/pug3008rear0yq.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>... the 3008, a 5+2 seater mpv to take on the Scenic ( and the Picasso ) head to head. This should be out in '09, together with the CC.<p><A HREF="http://www.imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img227.echo.cx/img227/9122/pug308cc1xo.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>This CC looks really diferent from the others ( bumpers, side mirrors, headlights ) so i'm guessing it's by a different artist.

spwolf
05-14-2005, 10:34 AM
dont you sometimes wish that these people who photochop cars are actually ones designing it? Sometimes photochops look soooo much better than what we end up at the end!

taskbearer
05-14-2005, 07:03 PM
I actually wish the same too. Most of the chops for the C6 ended up looking better than the production version, although I still like how it turned out anyways. <p>Back to the 308, These last chops look interesting but not necessarily beautiful. IMO it seems peugeot has ran out of ideas with their design face. I hope they can take it into the future without messing it up. The recent V12 concept and production 1007(the 107 looks better but that grille is too funny) lack the cohesiveness of previous peugeots. The radical 407 is a car that flaunts peugeots design talents to the max, probably the next 308 would follow this lead. Citroen is starting to show more design prowess than peueot, which is evident in their recent concepts and most especially production cars.<p>The 307 is a beautiful car and in veery way a peugaot, but peugeot refused the car the media attention it deserves by not making a gti version.

CosworthKid
09-29-2005, 09:07 AM
These pics look like the real thing!<br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/60462/peugeot_308_revealed.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A>

[AP]adiweb
09-29-2005, 10:21 AM
307 facelift has just been released soo... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Omar
09-29-2005, 12:11 PM
This is a CGI, based upon the 307 facelift I think, because the interior of the car that we can see appears to be from the press pics of the 307 facelift... the colour of leather seats here matches the interior pics I've seen from the press pics of 307 facelift somewhere:<br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_43/car_portal_pic_21790.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...0.jpg</A><p><br>This:<br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_43/car_portal_pic_21789.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...9.jpg</A><p>is based upon this:<br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/P/peugeot/407-coupe/03-large/06-coupe-rli-det.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...t.jpg</A><p><br>To be fair though, AutoExpress do say in the article:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These exclusive images have been produced using top-secret information from Peugeot's future design files</TD></TR></TABLE><br>so they're not the real thing Cosworthkid

Spock
09-29-2005, 12:44 PM
I think that this:<br> <A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_43/car_portal_pic_21790.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...0.jpg</A><p>is based on <br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/12092.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/12092.jpg</A><p>and this<br> <A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_43/car_portal_pic_21789.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...9.jpg</A><p>on <br> <A HREF="http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/1ede9532e6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotitre.com/forum/up/1ede9532e6.jpg</A>

Spock
10-06-2005, 03:07 AM
forum peugeot<p><A HREF="http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3889/dsc006869sy.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img51.imageshack.us/img...y.jpg</A> <br> <A HREF="http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7752/dsc006875jw.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img51.imageshack.us/img...w.jpg</A> <br> <A HREF="http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1064/dsc006884ru.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img51.imageshack.us/img...u.jpg</A> <br>from auto journal <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Spock at 2:15 AM 11/19/2005</i>

Omar
10-06-2005, 09:44 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> Wow! I didn't think the car would exist in metal so early.<p>The way it looks has ended up being predictable though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> , the 3 air vents are a nice idea but they look like they were just copied off that Ford concept (forgotten its name)

metallic
10-06-2005, 09:48 AM
It looks almost like 307... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> In few years time it will look pretty old. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

BMW_Dude
10-06-2005, 10:52 AM
I'm really not liking Peugeots new design direction, the cars look crap, all you see is a large grill and huge lights, and long overhangs!<p>Although the 407 coupe doesn't look bad, shame it's so pricey!

CosworthKid
10-08-2005, 04:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BMW_Dude</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm really not liking Peugeots new design direction, the cars look crap, all you see is a large grill and huge lights, and long overhangs!<p>Although the 407 coupe doesn't look bad, shame it's so pricey!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hehe, i actually disagree with you on both parts mate!I also dislike current Peugeot designs,i consider them over the top and very cheesy. But i love the look of this 308, i reckon it looks fantastic. Its the best interpretation of the Peugeot family face ive seen so far..plus the body with those whe el arches look fantastic. It might have similarities with 307 facelift up front and rear lights but the profile and shape of car are much much sportier and contemporary, nothing like the MPVesque 307. Secondly, i personally loathe the new 407 coupe..as in toataly hate it..its like a bad cartoon sketch and the new rear is so bad i almost cried when i compared it with the 406 coupe...look at the Iosis or the RX-8, Aston,etc..now those are classy and sporty coupes<p>ps: i LOVE the 308's interior shot,i really hope this is close to the real thing

Spock
10-21-2005, 02:39 AM
from forum peugeot and auto-moto.com<p><br> <IMG SRC="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6226/dsc007491bd.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9252/dsc007358nr.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <A HREF="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7754/dsc007375yc.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img254.imageshack.us/im...c.jpg</A> <br> <A HREF="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/237/dsc007429ra.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img254.imageshack.us/im...a.jpg</A><br> <A HREF="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/677/dsc007456ij.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img254.imageshack.us/im...j.jpg</A> <br> <A HREF="http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1536/dsc007408op.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img254.imageshack.us/im...p.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
10-21-2005, 02:42 AM
Ugly chops man, especially the CC one,looks like a 207 cc on steroids

hok_man
10-21-2005, 03:00 AM
it looks like car designers nowadays ran out of ideas to make good looking cars, so they just start to make weird looking cars.<br>I mean the 407 is really weird compared to 406 or all peugeots before it. 206 is probably the last good looking design from peugeot, it's on the fringe of becoming weird. But it's on the thin line of old and new that makes it look perfect. 307 was so bad when it came out, it looks like a really plain MPV from honda. But at least it wasn't that wierd, so people compare it to 308, they said 307 looks better. edit: looking at the last photos, the 308 looks like it's the best intepretation of the new design language. I agree with cosworth_kid.<p>I also think they should make a saloon version. The 308 coupe looks really good. I know hatchbacks are the trend now and to battle renault's clio but traditional peugeot should have saloon version.

CosworthKid
10-21-2005, 09:46 AM
They have a saloon version of the 307 in China but i doubt they would mass produce it for the rest of the world cause like you said hatchback dominate the main markets and europe specifically. I see 100's of Focus hatchbacks in the streets,for example, but only a couple of saloons every now and then. Besides, even medium/large family cars are turning into hatches or four door coupes or some other niche product! I reckon in ten years the only saloons available will be Rolls and Merc S-classes etc.

hok_man
10-21-2005, 11:55 PM
Did you know the 305 was only in saloon form?

Rossell
10-22-2005, 03:27 AM
I forgot what the 305 looked like.

Arturo
10-22-2005, 04:27 AM
That PSA will be using engines co-developed with BMW is old news (good news tho), but that 3008's rear seems to be Peug's interpretation of the BMW 1's rear (look at the lights). Although the cars look nice, it looks like Peug has lost its styling direction and that these cars are just variations to the same theme (i.e., they are much too 307-ish). I would expect on the 308 to differ from the 307 just like the 407 is way different from the 406 ...

Spock
11-19-2005, 03:14 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/9089/308am7153ew.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>forum peugeot

Nath
11-19-2005, 11:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hok_man</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you know the 305 was only in saloon form?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>and estate

Nath
11-19-2005, 11:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hok_man</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it looks like car designers nowadays ran out of ideas to make good looking cars, so they just start to make weird looking cars.<br>I mean the 407 is really weird compared to 406 or all peugeots before it. 206 is probably the last good looking design from peugeot</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I never liked the 206, I think the 306 looked fantastic, the 206 looked bland and slightly blobby in comparison, the 307 looks OK in my poinion, better than 206 but the panel fit is awful, next time you see a 307 look at where the front of the door meets the wing and A pillar, its bad!

MiniCooper75
01-26-2006, 05:33 AM
Hi <br>Am not sur about which thread to put this in...<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/peugeot_308_kommt_2007_huit_vite.97074.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...4.htm</A>

kuules
01-26-2006, 06:44 AM
its photosopped 407

CosworthKid
01-27-2006, 08:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kuules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its photosopped 407 </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually those pictures were in UK magazines for some time and they said it was pretty close to what they expected. Are u sure there isnt an older thread about this?The have been chops and spy pics of the 308 much before this.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

haji
01-28-2006, 11:06 PM
... doesn't look like a photoshop to me<br><A HREF="http://avantime.blog2.fc2.com/blog-entry-912.html#more" TARGET="_blank">http://avantime.blog2.fc2.com/...#more</A>

kuules
01-29-2006, 01:47 AM
That are photoshops based on those photos of 407 coupe:<p>Rear <br><IMG SRC="http://www.autopress.be/Temporaires/DERNIERE%20MINUTE/COUPE407_0506AB003.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Side: <br><IMG SRC="http://autopress.free.fr/images/Actualite/COUPE407_0506AB007.jpg" BORDER="0">

Spock
04-04-2006, 05:34 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5599/couve4cb.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>forum peugeot

bolita
04-04-2006, 08:56 AM
Looks like a shark swallowing the fron bumper.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
04-04-2006, 06:43 PM
looks photoshopped...(or a very early test mule)

CosworthKid
04-04-2006, 07:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like a shark swallowing the fron bumper.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

geary
04-04-2006, 09:55 PM
CC looks great, but those badges are waaaay off! Can't believe they went to print like that.

Elli
04-05-2006, 08:15 AM
The real pics from <A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060405.001/6060405.001.mini1L.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6060405.001/6060405.001.mini2L.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>

CosworthKid
04-05-2006, 12:30 PM
Well the front and rear won't be that much different from the 207 i assume. The shape of the car and sides will be unique but all in all i think it will pretty much be a slightly more dramatic shape than the 207 and of course bigger. The 207 will come with the option of two types of front, the one with the "normal(yet still big) grill" and "an even bigger gaping mouth grill" in which the bonnet line extends further to overlap the grill a bit. The 308 in that shot seems to have the gaping grill treatment.

Tidal
06-19-2006, 05:35 AM
<A HREF="http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=308f0oa.jpg" TARGET="_blank">[img=http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5660/308f0oa.th.jpg]</A><p><A HREF="http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=308b7wu.jpg" TARGET="_blank">[img=http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4685/308b7wu.th.jpg]</A><p>3008 mule:<p><A HREF="http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30084ls.jpg" TARGET="_blank">[img=http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5279/30084ls.th.jpg]</A><p>Article:<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/ecf/spyphotoID/6060619.002/peugeot/peugeot-3008-and-308-spy-photos" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...hotos</A>

the1
06-19-2006, 02:28 PM
It looks like a cross between the new 207 and the current 307.

CosworthKid
06-19-2006, 05:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It looks like a cross between the new 207 and the current 307.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pretty much..It will look much better than 307 though and sexier if early indications are correct.

Gian86
06-19-2006, 06:15 PM
All the cgi pics on this thread looks more modern which is perfect. I hope those two versions on two versions (308 & 3008) will look nicer.

CosworthKid
06-19-2006, 06:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gian86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope those two versions on two versions (308 & 3008) will look nicer. </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmileo.gif" BORDER="0">

DrPetrus
06-20-2006, 12:27 AM
Speculation on <A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/</A>. No word on origin.<p><IMG SRC="http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3866/3087uv.jpg" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
06-20-2006, 12:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DrPetrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Speculation on <A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/</A>. No word on origin.<p><IMG SRC="http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3866/3087uv.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>origines? you can see it some 10 posts above..... this is last years L'automobile chop of Pug 407 Coupe posted above....<p><br>and here it is in grand scale total:<p><A HREF="http://www.automobile-magazine.fr/images/boutique/couv/AM715p8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automobile-magazine...8.jpg</A>

the1
06-20-2006, 05:49 AM
I hope the new 308 won't have an even bigger 'mouth' than the 207.

David911
10-03-2006, 08:47 AM
<A HREF="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6271/2276/1600/308cc.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photos1.blogger.com/blo...c.jpg</A><p>

the1
10-03-2006, 02:21 PM
That looks like a bad chop.

mick78
10-03-2006, 02:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That looks like a bad chop. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>AGree, especially it would not make any sense technically to make such a small roof out os 3 segments...

bshopov
02-22-2007, 03:21 AM
<A HREF="http://www.pcauto.com.cn/newcar/abroad/peugeot/0510/344270.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pcauto.com.cn/newca....html</A>

David911
02-27-2007, 08:15 AM
Another photoshop. The CGI artist didn't have to put a lot of work on this:<p><A HREF="http://bp1.blogger.com/_YSNRkLCvook/ReRIHwA8c6I/AAAAAAAAAG8/uen2gISRwx8/s1600-h/308-4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bp1.blogger.com/_YSNRkL...4.jpg</A><br>

CosworthKid
02-27-2007, 10:44 AM
Bad thing about the 308 is that we all pretty much know how it will look like since it will have predictable Peugeot styling and wont be THAT different from current 307 up front. Of course the rear in older CG's suggest a much nicer and sleeker rear end, i just hope it doesnt look as heavy as the 207 looks compared to 206

Bern
03-01-2007, 04:44 PM
Source unknown...<p><A HREF="http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3985/308avmiamtp8.png" TARGET="_blank">http://img409.imageshack.us/im...8.png</A><br><A HREF="http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8831/308armiamaw5.png" TARGET="_blank">http://img338.imageshack.us/im...5.png</A><br>

Reppu
03-02-2007, 01:39 AM
Oh-oh....<p>the front: i can hardly see any difference with the 307, honestly<br>the rear: not a good pic either, but looks like a mix between the Megane and the Auris, and that is no good.

CosworthKid
03-02-2007, 03:06 AM
It looks like a 207 XL. And it looks just as dull in dark colours. It will look much better in white or brights..yet im still not a fan, Predictable like i said

mick78
03-02-2007, 03:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh-oh....<p>the front: i can hardly see any difference with the 307, honestly<br>the rear: not a good pic either, but looks like a mix between the Megane and the Auris, and that is no good.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well said, about the same things were my first impressions - seriously, Peugeot needs to find a new design language (just like Jaguar is doing now with the XF), we have seen like every possible variation of the current themes - those organic lines are starting to look outdated (to me, the 207 already looks hardly more modern than the 206), and making lights & grille even bigger will the cars just give a comic character like aura...<p>How about a nice Pininfarina Peugeot again? I loved them so much......

the1
03-19-2007, 05:38 PM
A realistic chop.<p><A HREF="http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/669/ab60153665cq6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img204.imageshack.us/im...6.jpg</A><br>autoscoops.net

CosworthKid
03-19-2007, 05:41 PM
Of course..207 on elephant steroids. Simple. I bet the designers get a hefty amount of money for such elaborate free thinking

the1
03-19-2007, 05:44 PM
When Murat Gunak left from Peugeot after creating the iconic 206 they lost it. Few Pugs looked great after the 206. The only 2 Pugs that I consider very good looking are the 607 (styled in the Gunak era) and the 407 sedan.

CosworthKid
03-19-2007, 05:51 PM
Was Murat turkish? Irrelevant i know, just asking

the1
03-19-2007, 05:55 PM
Yes, he is. I wonder where he's working right now. I was under the impression that he's still at VW, but I remember reading that he styled the IosisX concept. Am I simply remembering smth completely wrong? Anyway... completely irrelevant. Just like the new 308. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
03-19-2007, 08:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Well said, about the same things were my first impressions - seriously, Peugeot needs to find a new design language (just like Jaguar is doing now with the XF), we have seen like every possible variation of the current themes - those organic lines are starting to look outdated (to me, the 207 already looks hardly more modern than the 206), and making lights & grille even bigger will the cars just give a comic character like aura...<p>How about a nice Pininfarina Peugeot again? I loved them so much......</TD></TR></TABLE><p>To be fair, Peugeots have always looked the same throughout the entire line up, with the only original designs being, as you mentioned, pininfarina designs ( coupes and cabrios ). The problem with their new look is that, imo, it's just not very good. It works on the 207, especially on the 3 door, but the 407 and re styled 307 are incoherent and the 1007 is just plain ugly imo.<p>Last great looking Peugeot? 406 coupe.

CosworthKid
03-20-2007, 03:32 AM
Didnt Smith style the IosisX like all of current/new Euro Fords? I did a search on Murat, apparently he played a big part in the design of the next Scirocco or at least for the IROC concept before being replaced with De Silva.

the1
03-20-2007, 03:42 AM
Yeah, you're right. I checked. I've only read an interview of Gunak talking about the IosisX, but only as a competitor designer.

CosworthKid
03-22-2007, 06:55 PM
When it goes on sale early next year, it will pave the way for the French company's first-ever diesel-electric hybrid powerplant. Aimed at established rivals such as the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid, the new 308 dual-fuel offering could return as much as 83mpg. And the firm hopes its CO2 emissions would be as low as 90g per km. That's enough to make the 308 the most fuel-efficient car in its class, ensuring it qualifies for a no-charge tax disc as well as exemption from London's con-troversial congestion charge.<p>The hybrid HDi features an efficient 1.6-litre turbodiesel, as well as a high-voltage battery pack and powerful electric motor. The model will also get stop/start idle technology - which cuts the engine when stationary in traffic - and a semi-auto gearbox. On top of this, the stop/start set-up will work even if the electric motor battery pack is completely flat, while an all-electric zero-emission setting is also offered, which will propel the car up to around 30mph.<p>As with its competitors, the 308 HDi recharges its batteries by recycling the kinetic energy usually lost while braking. In addition, the electric engine is expected to improve the diesel's acceleration and refinement.Although no prices have been announced, it's expected the hybrid could go on sale as early as autumn next year.<p>source: AutoExpress<br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/207600/peugeot_308.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A><p>comes with a crappy chop as usual <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
03-23-2007, 03:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When it goes on sale early next year, it will pave the way for the French company's first-ever diesel-electric hybrid powerplant. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>are you sure Coswort? when they showed Pug 307/C4 diesel hybrids last year they said that it should comme somewhere around 2010?<p><br>and.... is there any other diesel-electric hybrid on markert?

CosworthKid
03-23-2007, 03:11 AM
No im not sure, just copy/pasted the article from AutoExpress and i rarely trust them, usualy they are all bolocks. But cant be sure <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
03-23-2007, 03:31 AM
yeah.... I realised it just after posting.... but it would be nice if they make it! first cause it seemed wery long to wait till 2010 and second, commonrail diesel-electric hybrids sounds just natural thing to do, considering torque/consumtion ratios...

Tidal
03-23-2007, 09:45 AM
Last i heard, Citroen is dropping their plans for a hybrid/HDI combo, because they just didn't see it being profitable/worth the investment.

drugmirko
03-23-2007, 11:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tidal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Last i heard, Citroen is dropping their plans for a hybrid/HDI combo, because they just didn't see it being profitable/worth the investment. </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> I think that they'll have a big headache in a fiew years if this is true....

the1
03-29-2007, 06:25 AM
That's so boring...<p><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/pe38stw80_460795b4aa0b4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...4.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
03-29-2007, 07:35 AM
Those sketches seem spot on, at least that's what i expect it to look like. Yep its nothing new, i just hope Peugeot at least makes some effort in the cabin design cause so far the only French maker than makes interesting and cool interiors is Citroen. Peugeots are dull inside

the1
03-29-2007, 08:29 AM
Reliability should be better than the 307, too, if they want to succeed. But with those looks I wouldn't give too many chances to Pug. The new 308 doesn't have the sex-appeal nor the image to become a segment leader.

Reppu
03-29-2007, 01:27 PM
I would have to disagree. The rear design of those sketches look quite interesting....for a Peugeot, that is. I see some effort, not enough of course to make it a design leader, but we might have some new stylistic solutions here. For example, those gigantic rear windows that are apparently unable to open . <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> . Yeah, now seriously, this car will be the definition of boring and uninspired, to the same level as the Auris. Still there's a chance those sketches are not accurate, at least i hope so.

the1
03-29-2007, 02:09 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1894/308ot4.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/6503/3081of7.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Looking at these pics.. it's even worse than the sketch, but really close.

CosworthKid
03-29-2007, 03:13 PM
The Auris isnt just dull, its badly designed. This Peugeot suffers from over familiar design syndrome within the firm

Tidal
04-05-2007, 06:23 AM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/ecf/spyphotoID/6070404.002/peugeot/spy-photos-peugeot-308-estate" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...state</A>

CosworthKid
04-05-2007, 06:39 AM
That cg is really bad. Im expecting something similar to the 407 SW

hilton
04-08-2007, 03:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1894/308ot4.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/6503/3081of7.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Looking at these pics.. it's even worse than the sketch, but really close.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they are real right??

CosworthKid
04-08-2007, 06:23 AM
Of course they are

hilton
04-08-2007, 06:25 AM
so thats pretty much what the 2008 308 will look like

CosworthKid
04-08-2007, 06:27 AM
That IS the 308, not just pretty much

hilton
04-08-2007, 06:29 AM
well it looks nice.. when are oficial pics coming

the1
04-08-2007, 06:29 AM
They're Real. Official pics should be released in July or August, before the September Frankfurt launch.

hilton
04-08-2007, 06:32 AM
ok

Mil
04-08-2007, 09:40 AM
I think Peugeot should scrap the gaping grille. It's so ugly, makes the car look like a clown tbh. <IMG SRC="http://forums.ratedesi.com/images/smilies/stupidsmiley.gif" BORDER="0">

DrPetrus
04-08-2007, 12:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mil</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Peugeot should scrap the gaping grille. It's so ugly, makes the car look like a clown tbh. <IMG SRC="http://forums.ratedesi.com/images/smilies/stupidsmiley.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>They are going to. It won't take place until after the 308, which will will feature the old "shark-mouth". I don't know which model will present the new company face however. What model is up for replacement after the 308?<p>When it comes, it will be an iteration of this "lion-nose"(although probably waaaaay toned down, sadly), the concept 908 RC (next 608). I love the feline eyes/pupils on the concept:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.nl/images/800/5/96a4417fdd9b81dae0a66a8f899b20a5.jpg" BORDER="0">

Tidal
04-08-2007, 03:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DrPetrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>They are going to. It won't take place until after the 308, which will will feature the old "shark-mouth". I don't know which model will present the new company face however. What model is up for replacement after the 308?<p>When it comes, it will be an iteration of this "lion-nose"(although probably waaaaay toned down, sadly), the concept 908 RC (next 608). I love the feline eyes/pupils on the concept:<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Next up for replacement is the 607, followed by the 807. I'm not sure that the rabbit teeth grille is much better than the gaping mouth one, and besides that, the car still looks like a stretched 407 imo. They need a complete change in style direction, not just another silly grille.

Roadster44
04-08-2007, 04:56 PM
Agreed on comments regarding the front design. The scary clown grill needs to go. I don't remember who said, but Peugeot and certain Renaults are beginning to look cartoonish. So as said above, I'm glad Peugeot will drop it.<p>I really would like to see a diesel-hybrid come out, if PSA gets it right, then it'll set "green" segment on fire.

Southern Pride
04-09-2007, 12:49 AM
Renault needs to facelift its Megane models really bad. Otherwise they will keep losing sales in France and worldwide. Especially with Peugeot coming out with some nice new models.

Roadster44
04-09-2007, 01:20 AM
Hopefully Carlos won't run out of ideas!

Mr. Fusion
04-09-2007, 02:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Allez les bleus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Renault needs to facelift its Megane models really bad. Otherwise they will keep losing sales in France and worldwide. Especially with Peugeot coming out with some nice new models.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But Renault has already done that in lmid 2006 but a new model is expected for 2009 to compete with the Focus, Astra, Golf and Civic etc so why facelift it again?

CosworthKid
04-09-2007, 04:18 AM
Megane's problem isnt just the looks. Like the 307 it suffers from bad reliability. Just spoke to another friend who bought a Megane brand new 3 years ago. He said its caused so many problems to him that he will try to sell it and buy an Auris instead. From electronic problems to even engine bay problems, he had enough.<p>Roadster44: Renaults dont look cartoony at all anymore. Last peculiar design was the Megane and since it all went..too sober. I liked Renaults like the VelSatis and Megane cause they were individualistic and quirky, Peugeots are just bad and cartoony

Southern Pride
04-09-2007, 07:24 AM
Thanks for the supporting my views. I am a loyal Renault driver but I do admit the Megane not only has reliability issues, but it handles terribly as well.

the1
04-09-2007, 07:59 AM
The Megane had 2 aces up its sleeve. Quirky but appealing design and the tiny price. Bad reliability record is the one thing that eventually killed the sales. I hope the new Megane will be better in therms of reliability. We know it will handle well, the Megane 3 platform is already used for the Nissan Qashqai and the reviews have been good so far. It seems they ditched the artificial feeling steering and added a independent rear suspension which does wonders for handling. There's only one thing I'm worried about... BORING styling. If they manage to launch smth as juicy as the current Megane was at the time of its launch, then Chapeaux bas! If not... I'd be very dissapointed. Renault doesn't need boring cars, they were doing just fine making individualistic cool looking cars.

Roadster44
04-09-2007, 08:06 AM
So how come the French manufacturers are so insistent on producing cars of poor reliability? Clarkson said he wouldn't buy one because he knows that his children would take one apart in less than 60 seconds starting with the loose interior trim!

the1
04-09-2007, 08:37 AM
Well, I guess they usually motivate the bad reliabilty saying their cars are cheaper... but lately they usually aren't that cheap anymore, especially Peugeots. And there are some cheap cars which are very reliable (like Kia Rio).

CosworthKid
04-09-2007, 11:40 AM
I think its just a matter of engineering, plus the French as known for using high technology and software on cheaper,smaller cars that, for example, in a German car u could only find in higher and more expensive models. But by doing that it hampers their reliability cause, i assume, u dont get the same quality stuff used on more expensive cars so the prices can be kept low? Just a theory anyway. As for styling, if they want to go from quirky to trendy and classy ok, just as long as they make their cars feel classy and look classy as well. But no matter how dissapointed i am with Renault's turn to sober designs, i still preffer Renaults over the nickelodeon-styled Peugeots.<p>Back to the 308 now i think...

the1
04-09-2007, 04:08 PM
U are right. We're talking too much about Reno. Back to the boring 308. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Vincenzo
04-10-2007, 07:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They're Real. Official pics should be released in July or August, before the September Frankfurt launch.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>According the last news:<br>5th june -&gt; official press presentation<br>27th june -&gt; public presentation<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think its just a matter of engineering, plus the French as known for using high technology and software on cheaper,smaller cars that, for example, in a German car u could only find in higher and more expensive models. But by doing that it hampers their reliability cause, i assume, u dont get the same quality stuff used on more expensive cars so the prices can be kept low? Just a theory anyway. As for styling, if they want to go from quirky to trendy and classy ok, just as long as they make their cars feel classy and look classy as well. But no matter how dissapointed i am with Renault's turn to sober designs, i still preffer Renaults over the nickelodeon-styled Peugeots.<p>Back to the 308 now i think...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly. The Laguna 2 was the best example with its equipment and multiplex wiring system not common before its launching (in Europe): keyless, auto headlamps, rain-sensing wipers, auto-dimming mirrors, cruise control with speed limiter, automatic parking brake, tyre pressure monitor...perfect for number of gimmicks.<br>However other manufacturers (Opel, VW, Mercedes, Saab, Chrysler...) had also much problems at the same time and not always for the same reasons.<br>But since 2003, quality and reliability in the Renault production has considerably progressed and Modus/Clio 3 are a nice proof. Even the Laguna &gt;2003 almost became irreproachable.

the1
04-10-2007, 03:23 PM
June uneveiling... really soon. But I guess we won't be too surprised.

carbon
04-16-2007, 08:16 AM
what is it going to be<br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/Future_Models/0,,1369-1372-2096_2099320,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Whee....html</A><p>pictures<br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/Galleries/w24_GalleriesModelCompNavIndex/0,8101,3838,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Whee....html</A><br>

mick78
04-16-2007, 08:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carbon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what is it going to be<br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/Future_Models/0,,1369-1372-2096_2099320,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Whee....html</A><p>pictures<br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/Galleries/w24_GalleriesModelCompNavIndex/0,8101,3838,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Whee....html</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Massive overhangs for a compact - Apart from that I think Peugeot desperately needs a new design language, this theme is overdone....

the1
04-16-2007, 09:26 AM
The rear end looks like it has some Megane influence... The interior seems to be the only good looking part of this car.

carbon
04-16-2007, 09:30 AM
they paid once to Pininfarina and they do facelifts to the same car over and over.<br>VW is doing the same with the golf.<br>they paid once to Giugiaro in the 70' and they keep on doing facelifts over and over and over...

tomd89
04-16-2007, 09:40 AM
looks like a bloated version of the already bloated 207

carbon
04-16-2007, 03:19 PM
more:<p><A HREF="http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=645&page=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/s...age=1</A>

mick78
04-16-2007, 03:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carbon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they paid once to Pininfarina and they do facelifts to the same car over and over.<br>VW is doing the same with the golf.<br>they paid once to Giugiaro in the 70' and they keep on doing facelifts over and over and over...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually this design theme was not created by pininfarina, the 406 coupe was the last Pug designed by him (and the last Pug i really liked). The 206 was mostly created by Murat G¬Ěnak, ex Mercedes designer, and since then this on a small car good looking theme just has been watered down all the way to this car.<p>So please,Peugeot, bring back Pininfarina. Or anyone else. Just get a new design language.

CosworthKid
04-17-2007, 02:27 AM
Precisely. And the 206 has also become a classic, current cars just seem bad. In a way its like whats happening at Opel (albeit with much better results): Martin Smith came onboard and gave us the good looking Astra, then he left and the company just tried to continue his design themes but they are not as fluently convincing (for example the Corsa looks heavy and forced in its design and the Vectra replacement-in concept form- lacks cohesive design as well). In Peugeot's side, when Murat left everything went downhill, they just had the new design theme ready and kept playing with it without really thinking through the process.

ROBonCARS
04-17-2007, 05:20 AM
I couldnt disagree more, i think that the Corsa is a much more successful design than the Astra. Especially the 3 door. The front of the Astra is set at a strange angle, its chin seems to stick out too far, the Corsa on the other hand looks much better thought out even if the headlight and grill are rather large.

CosworthKid
04-17-2007, 06:51 AM
You opinion entirely. I find the 3-door Astra to be the best designed Opel in decades. The Corsa, in my eyes, is too heavy and can/has be/been compared with Peugeots and even the Yaris, while the Astra is 100% individualistic. As i said ur opinion..

mick78
04-17-2007, 04:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You opinion entirely. I find the 3-door Astra to be the best designed Opel in decades. The Corsa, in my eyes, is too heavy and can/has be/been compared with Peugeots and even the Yaris, while the Astra is 100% individualistic. As i said ur opinion..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think I have to agree - first I really liked the Corsa from pictures, but the more I see them driving around, the more I think it looks too bloated & heavy - interior is very good, no question, but the exterior fails the sharpness of the Astra (esp. GTC) by quite a margin.<p>Anyway, back to Peugeot.

David911
04-24-2007, 03:25 AM
Nice design of this new Peugeot. Some new photos:<p><A HREF="http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2007/04/peugeot-308-out-in-open.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-future.blogspot.co....html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.forum-peugeot.com/Forum/forum-peugeot/Peugeot-308/Nouveautes-2/peugeot-t7-photos-sujet_1_68.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forum-peugeot.com/F...8.htm</A>

CosworthKid
04-24-2007, 03:31 AM
The rear hatch design is somewhat interesting but as a whole i think it looks as bloated and miss-shaped as an Auris to be honest. Then again i will wait for pictures of the car in brighter colours cause the 207 only looks good in bright tones in my eyes. Still...i honestly cant see this design helping Peugeot increase its dropping sales in Europe <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
04-24-2007, 03:53 AM
Maybe it's the angle, but i see a little Suzuki Swift in those rear lights ( 1st photo ).<p>It's underwhelming, that's all i can say. At least from what we've been reading they seem to have understood this and the next generation of cars will be more interesting. It's a shame they didn't start their evolution with their core products though ( 207, 308 ).

ocn75
04-25-2007, 06:24 AM
It doesn't look too bad in the close-up shot, but from a distance, the rear end looks, well bloated and miss-shaped as you say. The two major gripes for me are the rear window design which seems at odds with the rest of the car, and the rear bumber that looks just awkward. Shame.

CosworthKid
04-25-2007, 06:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ocn75</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The two major gripes for me are the rear window design which seems at odds with the rest of the car, and the rear bumber that looks just awkward. Shame. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats cause its probably and afterthought, they must have originaly planed the 308 to looks just like a larger 207..then when they tried to give it some character it didnt work nicely. It is indeed a shame cause in my homemarket Peugeot was THE biggest player, everybody loved them, yet now its shares are dropping dramatically cause of reliabily issues and bad styling, they lost a lot of respect IMO

ocn75
04-25-2007, 07:15 AM
Interesting. <p>In the past, Australians could mostly always rely on Peugeot to produce a car that was different and attractive in design and that had competitive or class leading chassis dynamics - recent Peugeots have lost the plot in terms of styling (IMO) and the way they drive (according to the experts). <p>Re reliability, a relative of mine owns one that's a few years old and its regularly in the shop getting things fixed. Peugeots have also had a tendency to get bagged in the press here for their reliability / quality as well. I wouldn't touch one or recommend one on this basis alone.

antman
04-25-2007, 05:02 PM
For me it's the loss of chassis excellence, that magical balance of ride and handling they once had, which really suited our roads over here.

ROBonCARS
04-26-2007, 12:46 AM
such a shame the snapper of the last pics couldnt overtake and get a shot of the front!! The rear bumper just looks odd like the 407 Coupe - just doesnt sit right, the number plate is too low.....

CosworthKid
04-26-2007, 07:54 AM
[QUOTE=DEVILax]such a shame the snapper of the last pics couldnt overtake and get a shot of the front!! [QUOTE]<p><br>Just look at the 207 front.

Reppu
04-26-2007, 11:18 AM
Sad but true

synthesis
04-26-2007, 09:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DEVILax</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">such a shame the snapper of the last pics couldnt overtake and get a shot of the front!! The rear bumper just looks odd like the 407 Coupe - just doesnt sit right, the number plate is too low.....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This link shows a pic of the front: <A HREF="http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/secret_new_car.php?sid=645&page=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/s...age=3</A>

ROBonCARS
04-26-2007, 11:54 PM
ahh didnt see that one, yes, just an obese 207 then!!

CosworthKid
04-27-2007, 03:00 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I smell SEAT trouble for Peugeot

CosworthKid
04-27-2007, 10:39 AM
<A HREF="http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6615/puz308fbf6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img297.imageshack.us/im...6.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2163/puz308f2oq6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img297.imageshack.us/im...6.jpg</A><p>Obviously these are a joke so just for fun...hehe<p>AutoTriti.gr

Horizon
05-08-2007, 01:51 PM
some new pics.further down,check out the green one from auto-plus magasine.its the closest to the real thing so far.<p><A HREF="http://www.forum308.com/viewtopic.php?t=237" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forum308.com/viewtopic.php?t=237</A>

WOB
05-08-2007, 03:05 PM
excellent photographs. <br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

safari
05-09-2007, 05:04 AM
VW have been successful so far with their Golf which is virtually identical to the previous Golf in terms of looks anyway. So there is no reason why Peugeot can't do the same with the 308.<p>

ocn75
05-09-2007, 05:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>safari</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> VW have been successful so far with their Golf which is virtually identical to the previous Golf in terms of looks anyway. So there is no reason why Peugeot can't do the same with the 308.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Absolutely, but the Golf is a good looker from all angles, while this doesn't look nearly as promising. These shots only confirm IMO that this is gonna look horrible - there seems to be lines going everywhere, the front ain't pretty, and as previously posted, the rear looks bloated and awkward.

Horizon
05-09-2007, 11:46 AM
i'am actually liking it better after those pics.i thought its gonna be a bloated clone of the 207 but it really has its own personality: the side crease,the more pronounced snout,the gaping grille now curved.the back is very meganesque though.never thought peugeot would take styling cues from renault.

CosworthKid
05-09-2007, 12:45 PM
I dont like it, im truly disapointed with Peugeot's lazy designs later. I mean yeah corporate identity is nice but u need to try harder to implement it in new and interesting ways on your models. Peugeot aint trying hard enough. This will look 10 times better in light colours but im still not liking it much. Cant say this looks more convincing than a Toyota Auris in my opinion

safari
05-10-2007, 09:12 AM
One thing I would like to know is that if this is the same platform as the existing C4 or is it a new platform - i.e which will be used for the next generation C4. <p>Normally PSA change their platform after a while. The previous one filled the shoes of Citroens' ZX and Peugeots' 306 - it also served to form the basis for the Xsara and 307. But did it change with the C4? It also looks smaller than the C4 - can barely see any size differential between this and the 207.<p>As I said before Peugeot need to bring back Pininfarina - Peugeot used to beat every car in its class years ago, like the 405 in 1987.<br>Then they did the same in 1993 with the 306 - not just in terms of looks but also in the way it drove. Remember Ford Benchmarked the Focus Mark 1 on the driving characteristics of the 306. Seems like Peugeot need to use the Focus as a benchmark to remind them how cars should drive.<p>(I must also add that Peugeot are still very good at making cars handle well - but it seems as if the Finance department won't let them have a big enough budget - so expect twist beam suspension on the rear of the 308 as in the C4 unlike the more expensive and sophisticated multi-link set up in the Golf and Focus)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by safari at 9:23 AM 5/10/2007</i>

drugmirko
05-10-2007, 09:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont like it, im truly disapointed with Peugeot's lazy designs later. I mean yeah corporate identity is nice but u need to try harder to implement it in new and interesting ways on your models. Peugeot aint trying hard enough. This will look 10 times better in light colours but im still not liking it much. Cant say this looks more convincing than a Toyota Auris in my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> I'm just bit sceptical about looking 10 times better ....<p><br>and wtf is this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> :<p><A HREF="http://www.webmycar.com/zonecar/webacarphoto.nsf/UNID/DBB9C1E411AE7432C1256DDD0075E300/$FILE/Picture9.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.webmycar.com/zoneca...9.jpg</A>

Horizon
05-10-2007, 11:28 AM
it was a peugeot concept car called the 306 hdi "break de chasse".i cant remember wich salon it was but that was 1999.i think it was more about introducing that particular hdi engine rather than a new design study.i liked it.come to think of it,the recent clio grand tourer concept looks like this peugeot.

Horizon
05-10-2007, 12:00 PM
[<U>B] Reply to cosworth's mssg:<br>I dont like it, im truly disapointed with Peugeot's lazy designs later. I mean yeah corporate identity is nice but u need to try harder to implement it in new and interesting ways on your models. Peugeot aint trying hard enough. This will look 10 times better in light colours but im still not liking it much. Cant say this looks more convincing than a Toyota Auris in my opinion</B></U>.<p><br>hi cos,i dont agree with qualifying the latest peugeot designs as lasy.like other bloggers,you argue that the coporate face has been here for too long,that they really need to move on design-wise.but the way i see it is that gaping grille,the very feline headlamps,etc only came up with 206 in 1997 really.that's only 10 years ago.in terms of car manufacturer's corporate design policy thats not a very long time imo.<br>10 years is just about enough time for the corporate design to sink in people's mind in worldwide markets (most car buyers dont know as much as we do about cars or are aware of how long a design has been around).<br>the design themes we see today in the 308 have only been applied to 1 generation of peugeot cars so far !<br>with the 207 launch, the design theme has only just came full cirle.<p>i respect the fact you dont like this car's appearance but i didnt think the manufacturer was being lasy here but just using common sense and applying tried and tested methods (the design theme of ALL the german manufacturers always carries on forever...to their success!)<br>anyway,long speech <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> but i'am sure u understood my point.i think,as car nuts,we really cant wait for the syle of cars to elvove asap to feed the beast,i know i've been guilty of this many times!<br>

CosworthKid
05-10-2007, 04:29 PM
TALBOT-HORIZON: u misunderstood me. I wasnt bashing corporate faces. Im in favour of that method. I understand ur view over Peugeot designs but im afraid i do consider it lazy implementation. Not cause they are sticking with the same theme, but because they are not making an effort to make that same theme work and improve it. The 206 is far better in its design than the 308, 407, 1007 and even 207 in my opinion. Its not about using a corporate face, its about how they use it. I find all current Peugeots to look far too comical, uneaven and even silly at times.<br>I cannot compare current Peugeot usage of "corporate identity" with that of BMW, Mercedes, etc cause on those cars they DO work on it and they look good. I absolutely dislike current Peugeot design, im sorry if u disagree with me on this, its just a personal view of mine

Roadster44
05-10-2007, 06:58 PM
It's all same design different size...Bangle compared this approach with sausages back in 2001.

Horizon
05-11-2007, 03:45 PM
fair enough cos.i just happen to find their design philosophy interesting

safari
05-15-2007, 12:20 PM
Peugeot and BMW are pushing firmly ahead with what they believe is good car design and the 207 is selling well as is the 407 at least on the continent - and BMW are even more popular so it seems as if the buying public like the designs of both these marques. I can't I am a fan of either marques design philoshophy at the moment. Whilst both have a recognisable identity - BMW's stronger admittedly - there isn't one Peugeot or BMW that interests me in terms of design both inside and out. From what I can see the 308 wont change that and seems as uneasy in terms of proportion as the BMW 1 series.

CosworthKid
05-15-2007, 03:52 PM
I cant even put BMW and Peugeot in the same category, at least BMW impliments their I.D. in interesting ways and the yare far from being the only brand doing that. Peugeot is just copy/pasting IMO, the sausage effect mentioned before

the1
05-18-2007, 07:23 AM
<A HREF="http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/11/10/35/64/308_0210.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/1...0.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
05-18-2007, 07:31 AM
Do u see some "reseblance" in the rear with the 207 SW? Just in the rear glass area, nothing special.. If only Peugeot worked more on the headlamps and instead of huge and in your face made em sleek and sporty instead, as well as discreasing the size of the grill, it would make so much difference

Bern
05-18-2007, 08:12 AM
From paulo007x at Worldscoops...<p><A HREF="http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/11/10/35/64/forum_10.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/1...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/11/10/35/64/forum_11.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i15.servimg.com/u/f15/1...1.jpg</A>

David911
05-18-2007, 08:13 AM
Other photos:<p><A HREF="http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/ecf99d5bd0.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/ecf99d5bd0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/d8932a098a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/d8932a098a.jpg</A><p>Really good looking and the interior will be fantastic in design and quality.

David911
05-18-2007, 08:15 AM
LOL, that must have been a few seconds difference!<br>

Bern
05-18-2007, 08:34 AM
Yes quite close.<br>The list I posted is from the original source and the guy is the one who took the shots.<p>I'm not impressed, looks too close to the 307.<br>The front is too much and too agressive while the back just seems to melt and is too soft.

the1
05-18-2007, 04:50 PM
Hmmm... interesting. Even if it obviously sticks to the 'one sausage, infinite different lenghts' design language, it's not bad at all. I actually really love it. I know I said I'll probably hate it, but now I've changed my mind. The proportions are right, the nose is not over proportionate, it's probably the best looking recently launched Pug.

scorpio14
05-18-2007, 06:48 PM
I cant stand that front grille and huge black plastic bar thing that is appearing in all these new Peugeots.... its the only thing is cant stand about their new cars... otherwise they area great looking

Vltava
05-18-2007, 08:11 PM
I'm neither crazy about it nor do I hate it. The old 306 used to be such a sweet little handler, though. Time moves on but I just can't help but feel that something has been lost.

Reppu
05-19-2007, 02:00 AM
I'm waiting for a good interior pic to decide if i like this car or not. Right now, odds are i'm not liking it, but if the interior is really good i might change my mind.

the1
05-19-2007, 03:17 AM
I hope it will also drive a lot better than the 307. Will the 308 be based on a new PSA C-segment platform?

mick78
05-19-2007, 05:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>David911</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Other photos:<p><A HREF="http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/ecf99d5bd0.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/ecf99d5bd0.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Spot the difference to the facelifted 307:<p> <A HREF="http://www.km77.com/marcas/peugeot/2005/307/gama/gra/05.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.km77.com/marcas/peu...5.asp</A><p>From that angle, hard to tell - is this a 100% new model, or this kind of semi new (like Golf Mk. VI is said to be, or the 1996 Ford Fiesta was), where they keep some hardpoints, door frames, parts of the green house? Also the headlamps look identical...

mzoltarp
05-19-2007, 06:08 AM
I'm buying up all the Chrysler Concordes I can find now that Peugeot has emblazoned the 90's Chrysler mouth on its cars, the 90's Chryslers will be seen as style leaders so I'm going to corner the market, store them on a parking lot at the Salton Sea, then on 30 years I'll sell them all at Barrett-Jackson and make a killing.

Gromit
05-19-2007, 06:17 AM
There's nothing in this design we haven't already seen in other Peugeots. And I doubt the ride/handling compromise will match that of older Pugs.<p>Underwhelming.

CosworthKid
05-19-2007, 06:37 AM
The rear end design reminds me of some old chops, years ago, of the then proposed Nissan Almera replacement (now the Tilda) which featured the same rear end with some Megane features thrown in. It wasnt a reliable chop but it did look similar to this

the1
05-19-2007, 03:32 PM
No, it clearly has no body panels in common with the now defunct 307. It does look too familiar, indeed, but it's a relatively good mix of Peugeot cues.

hilton
05-19-2007, 03:51 PM
is the platfrom new as well?

ocn75
05-19-2007, 04:16 PM
The tailights of this do remind of of the Versa/Tiida hatch, but I do think this looks better, particularly in close-up shots. I still think it looks awkward from some angles, but would like to see a few of these in the mettle to pass a final judgement.

CosworthKid
05-19-2007, 04:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quattro</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is the platfrom new as well?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its not based on the 307 if thats what ur asking

the1
05-21-2007, 07:10 AM
It should be based on a new platform with irs.

CosworthKid
05-21-2007, 07:12 AM
Could it be based on the C4 platform or is the Citroen using an excisting Peugeot platform itself?

David911
05-21-2007, 08:41 AM
It is based on the C4 platform, which itself is based on the 307 platform. The designation platform at PSA is not very strict since they make evolutions on a given platform refining over the years. Also PSA can have different wheelbases on a given platform and even completely different suspension systems. In this article that feature is exemplified for the 407 coupe/C6 platform:<p><A HREF="http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2006/10/plateforme-3.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-future.blogspot.co....html</A><br>

CosworthKid
05-21-2007, 08:46 AM
So its kinda like the Mazda6/US Fusion in a sense?

the1
05-21-2007, 02:56 PM
I don't think it will be based on the C4-307 platform. It will use an entirely new one...

safari
05-21-2007, 04:06 PM
difficult to say - it is usually Peugeot who start a new platform - although the C5 is going to have a completely new platform so who knows. It needs to be dynamically better than the current 307 so my guess is it will have a new platform.<p>Must point out that we may dislike a black plastic bumpers - but they are practical - also car manufacturers seem to have got rid of side rubbing strips as well - not very good if you're parked next to my sister in law when she gets her child in the baby seat of her car with the door banging against the other car door!

the1
05-22-2007, 03:00 AM
I remember reading the 308 will either use a completely redesigned platform or a modified version of the current one, with an independent rear suspension (a must in the c-segment now).

CosworthKid
05-22-2007, 03:41 AM
They should go for an all new platform if u ask me. Since both Peugeot and Citroen sahre platfroms its not as if its an investment that wont be taken full advantage of

the1
05-22-2007, 05:36 AM
I guess we'll find out soon their strategy, but I do recall reading the 308 will be first car based on the new PSA c-segment platform. We'll see. It does make sense, considering the fact that the c4 (and its variations) and 307 shared the same platform, but a platforn that needs to be replaced or at least heavily revised as it's no longer competitive enough. All the cars based on that platform are dull to drive and have soft comfort oriented chassis settings. The new 308 has to be really fun to drive in order to put Pug back on the map, next to the highly aclaimed in therms of dinamics Focus, Golf and now even Cee'd. The new 308 needs at least an IRS and better chassis/steering settings.

safari
05-22-2007, 11:16 AM
Considering the fact that the C4 uses trailing arm suspension - it is a pretty competent drive - and unusually for Citroen set up to ride firmly - Imagine what Peugeots engineers could do given the budget and a multi-link suspension.<p>the1 - all Citroens and Peugeots have independent rear suspension and have done for years - but currently only the 407 and C6 and the large MPV's of each respective brand have multi-link rear suspension which is what I think you were referring to.

the1
05-22-2007, 01:02 PM
Yes, I was reffering to multilink setups, like the ones used by the Focus, the Golf and the Cee'd. Right now they're using a quite efficient semi-independent rear suspension setup, but they need multilink to fight back the competition. Plus that the old Xsara had a great multilink setup, I never understood why they had to revert to semi-independent suspensions.

MrMGMan
05-24-2007, 04:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never understood why they had to revert to semi-independent suspensions.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>One word: <B>Cost</B>. <p>It's why Honda have made the backward step from fully independent multilink rear suspension on the last generation Civic to a torsion beam axle on the current model. IRS might be becoming more common in the C-segment, but its by no means de rigeur in the class, as only cars derived from the Focus, Golf, and now the Kia Cee'd really have fully independent rear suspension setups - even the likes of the Toyota Auris persists with a torsion beam axle in mainstream models.

safari
05-24-2007, 11:57 AM
I cannot see PSA investing in Multi-Link for the 308 - especially when Ford and VW are reporting good sales but are not making enough profit on their units sold. A simple cost/income ratio will show that they cannot sell enough units to make a good enough profit. I read a report not so long ago saying that the next VW Golf will be built more on a budget as the current model costs way too much.<p>Citroen's Xsara did have fully independent suspension but not multi-link - it was actually trailing arm suspension - something far more effective than the current twist beam suspension. The trailing arm suspension was also fitted to the Saxo and 106 hence why they were better to drive than their replacements. But it is cheaper and lighter to replace the suspension with this unit. <p>But do the majority of buyers in this class care what rear suspension there is? I doubt it - if you replaced the current VW Golf with something that looked really impressive but put a cheaper suspension underneath I suspect it would still sell well. But the Mondeo class is a different matter. Perhaps from a commercial point of view this matters - if not from an enthusiasts....<br>

Bern
05-24-2007, 02:28 PM
Well I started this topic, so may as well bring the last pictures...<p>From Autotitre... (official pics)<p><A HREF="http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/2ac54acfa8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/2ac54acfa8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/0ad894fbc1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/0ad894fbc1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/398a74053d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/398a74053d.jpg</A><p>Interesting to compare with these spy shots from 2005 (page 1)<br><IMG SRC="http://img95.exs.cx/img95/8167/numriser0006collbis2po.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

CosworthKid
05-24-2007, 02:51 PM
I still think its no better resolved, design wise, than the Auris (both seem to have same problems). Truly doesnt tickle my fancy

safari
05-25-2007, 03:59 PM
Actually looks better from the official pics than I was expecting - still awkward looking from some angles - but more interesting design wise than the Focus Auris or Cee'd - and less boring than the Golf - not quite up to the C4 or Civic perhaps. The interior has to be the biggest success - looks very high quality.

Ascariss
05-25-2007, 05:05 PM
please continue here<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=23252" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=23252</A>