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fancar
03-21-2005, 05:30 AM
it is brilliance auto M2 from China. <br>It is designed by PF. porsche takes part in it.<br><IMG SRC="http://forum.auto.sina.com.cn/upload/25/1546/20050321/64/12824/12824.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://forum.auto.sina.com.cn/upload/25/1546/20050321/64/12824/12825.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://forum.auto.sina.com.cn/upload/25/1546/20050321/64/12824/12827.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Charger at 7:56 AM 3/21/2005</i>

knicks125
03-21-2005, 06:04 AM
looks hot!<p>what are the specs on this car? prices?

CARSRTHEWORLD
03-21-2005, 06:06 AM
looks a bit like a new 3er rip dont u think????

fancar
03-21-2005, 06:16 AM
the price is unknow. but i think it may be between 100,000-200,000 RMB.<p>one of its engines is a new 1.8T 16V 235NM.<p>the size of this car is not clear. <p>it is 4.6m long. its wheelbase is 2.79m<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by fancar at 5:33 AM 3/21/2005</i>

blackcipanz
03-21-2005, 06:17 AM
what a shock from chine. this looks so good.it doesn't matter if it a 3 series rip off. headlight is a bit bmw. porsche took part in what??<p>maybe soon china car maker will catch korean which itself is catching japanese.

fancar
03-21-2005, 06:29 AM
porsche takes part in the underpan

knicks125
03-21-2005, 06:30 AM
i like it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
03-21-2005, 06:50 AM
Change the grille and it would be sweet - a very good, clean styling of a mid-sized sedan that even other companies would be proud of. Good work Brilliance Auto! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Blackraven
03-21-2005, 07:20 AM
Wait a minute.<p>Wasn't Brilliance Auto the one producing BMWs for the Chinese market???<p><br>Heck, even the wheels have the exact same design as the ones on the new 3 Series (E90).

KebabGud
03-21-2005, 07:32 AM
Brilliance Auto is one of BMWs partners .. thats right<br>they make the E46 and E60

copic
03-21-2005, 07:32 AM
aahmm? look at the bottom of the front bumper, there are two sharp bends. The right one lies much closer to the middle than the left one, you see it? weird ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>(sorry for this bad explanation, dunno how to explain it better <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> )

fancar
03-21-2005, 07:38 AM
agree with u<p>if the rear light change into LED would be great.

bolita
03-21-2005, 08:14 AM
To tell you the truth I am surprised. I did not think Brilliance would or could come out with a car looking this good.<p>I agree with most of the observations but they could really pull this off....

PlatForm
03-21-2005, 08:25 AM
the headlight seems like a combination between BMW and Audi.. <p>the rear light totally Audi wannabe but only the plate no. holder look like BMW<p>the side mirror exactly copy from BMW...<p>what a great car,wutever..there's still Chinese elements!

AXLE
03-21-2005, 08:17 PM
WOW <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> That is fantastic!!!! Is brilliance part of Bricklins plan to bring chinese cars over to the states? Because if it is these will sell like hotcakes!

PlatForm
03-22-2005, 03:17 AM
if u read news last 2 week,they talk about the plan of Chinese carmaker will enter US markets and that create fear and worry to US carmaker..

bm88
03-22-2005, 03:24 AM
Front looks like a 3er, rear looks like the facelifted A4, side looks like the Continental.<p>All in all, I really like it, and I'm sure it would have looked great as a Rover 45 but...

mzoltarp
03-22-2005, 06:09 AM
In an odd way it looks like the 3 series that everyone would have expected after seeing the direction the 5 series went. I find it to be an attractive car. If the quality is good and it has some speed behind it, the US debut of Brilliance may have a shot.

bolita
03-22-2005, 08:08 AM
What is the web address / link of the company in China?

fancar
03-22-2005, 08:14 AM
the QA time limit of the important part of dynamical and transmission system may be 10 years or 200,000 kilometers.

fancar
03-22-2005, 08:18 AM
<A HREF="http://www.brilliance-auto.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.brilliance-auto.com</A><p><A HREF="http://www.zhonghuacar.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zhonghuacar.com</A>

bolita
03-22-2005, 08:22 AM
Tks!

neburg964
03-22-2005, 11:53 AM
If I remember correctly,, the car was designed by Giugiario, it's front-drive and is powered by Mitsubishi 1.8 liter and 2.4 liter 4-cyl engines.<p>This is just the latest styling redesign. However, the previous version is a good-looking car. They could make it in the States with this.

M0L0TOV
03-22-2005, 04:55 PM
The car doesn't look bad, in fact I think it looks rather nice, but like most other people, I'm not too keen on supporting the Chinese government. Then again, seems like everything we buy is made there <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> I know I'm setting myself up for this....but notice that the intro sound effect for Brilliance is from Star Trek? Sorta creepy.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>M0L0TOV

Redline
03-22-2005, 04:56 PM
While it may be similar to a lot of other cars, it still looks good. Its a rip-off with originality. This is the typeof Chinese brand that might develop into something good, which is more than I can say for most of them.

fancar
03-22-2005, 10:44 PM
Really?<p>If I remember correctly, the M1 was designed by Giugiario.<p>It is said that brilliance auto want to pay more effort to the engineering (than sculpt), so it changes its partner from Giugiario to PF. <p>Whatever the relationship through brilliance, Giugiario, PF, Porsche and Rover is. Whatever the ways for brilliance to go further are.<p>I hope the Chinese automobile manufactures can keep going in order to success in the world market.<br>

fancar
03-22-2005, 10:52 PM
China automobile manufactures need time to develop. <p>China automobile manufactures are developing in all areas now. <p>Welcome to China.

PlatForm
03-23-2005, 09:16 AM
cool.. i believe Chinese carmaker will be do better to tap the world carmaker but they have to be more global especially in car design and must introduce new technology..

Santeno
03-23-2005, 11:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fancar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">China automobile manufactures need time to develop. <p>China automobile manufactures are developing in all areas now. <p>Welcome to China. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>You are obviously Chinese, a fan of Chinese cars, or both. Nothing wrong with that, but let's have a little perspective. There is a reason why non-Chinese companies have to partner with a domestic company to be allowed to do business in China. There is a reason why the Chinese government is highly tolerant of abuse of proprietary information by domestic companies. There is a reason why Chinese automobiles are largely engineered by non-Chinese companies. The reason is that the Chinese government is trying to foment the growth of domestic manufacturers. It's doing so by forcing anyone who wants to do business in china to share technology. Hey there is nothing wrong with that; I commend them for looking out for number 1. However to expect or assume that Chinese cars are up to world standards (especially the standards of Europe Japan and north America) is not quite true. Perhaps in a few years, as Chinese engineers and designers have time to learn and absorb the lessons being taught by their non-Chinese partners, we will see a few original domestic Chinese designs worthy of competition against the more established global brands. You are very right in saying that they need time to develop. Lets hope that in doing so; they can avoid making many of the mistakes committed by other over eager manufacturers with similar goals and approaches.

bolita
03-23-2005, 11:51 AM
Well said Santeno.<p>What surprises me is why Chinese brands haven't bloomed in emerging markets where they could (eg Latin America)<p>Lets see what they can do in 3-5 years.<p>I think that Bricklin's idea may be good buy I have high doubts that they will pull it off smoothly. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

fancar
03-24-2005, 09:52 PM
i agree with you.<p>That Chinese automobile companies cooperate with the other automobile companies in the world is a fast way for Chinese automobile companies to develop. <p>"learn"+ "absorb"+"develop"<p>Cheer up!Chinese automobile companies.<p>

Blackraven
03-25-2005, 12:55 AM
There is still time for Chinese automakers to create world class vehicles. If they start now, they can create something good in 2010.<p><br>I know that they will never be within the top 10 in the Global Auto Market but if they can build something as reliable without being overpriced (eg. economy cars), then they will do just fine.<p><br>In the past, Cherry has been known worldwide as a "copycat" for they have copied tons of designs from some global automakers (eg. GM group, Toyota, etc.).<p><br>I think right now, Cherry has been hiring Pininfarina to make original designs which is a good start.<p><br>However, what I don't like about the Brilliance automobile is that is just a pure copy. Very bad thing to begin with.<p>Chinese automakers should make originals and not pure copies if they want an overseas market. If they would do that, they would be able to beat Proton group anytime.

PlatForm
03-25-2005, 05:28 AM
yeah.. they got the ability to beat Proton anytime be'coz the low labour cost in China and the Chinese people itself..<p>they have a lot of cash and good engineer but they must be serious to be original.. im sure they could beat Proton anytime... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

fancar
03-25-2005, 05:37 AM
Yes. Your words are reasonable. <p>The designs by themselves have big gaps with the worldwide competitors.<p>Everybody in China wants Chinese automobile companies to make good-looking original designs and better quality products.<p>I want to know why they cannot make good-looking original designs by themselves. What are the reasons? What should they do?<br>

Santeno
03-25-2005, 09:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fancar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want to know why they cannot make good-looking original designs by themselves. What are the reasons? What should they do?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The main reason is lack of experience and lack of expertise. There is an axiom that all succesfull automobile companies live by: KNOW YOUR MARKET! By market, they mean, know who your costumers are in the different places where you intend to sell product; know what their expectations and their tolerances are; Meet or exceed those expectations (and try not to test their tolerances too much); always take into account local tastes and cultural idiosincracies when tailoring your product to a market; mantain clear and open lines of communication at all times with your intended costumers; and most importantly, take criticism seriously and work to constantly address it.<p>Remember, in this business it's easy to establish a reputation. A good reputation will be with you a long time. A bad reputation can take decades to overcome (if at all).

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 08:27 AM
<IMG SRC="http://forum.auto.sina.com.cn/upload/25/1546/20050321/64/12824/12827.jpg" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.bmw.no/bilde.asp?id=3270" BORDER="0"> <p>Do you see the similarities? I think it looks like a cheap copy of the 5-series. The size might be different, but the lines are pretty equal i think. What do you think?

Santeno
03-28-2005, 08:31 AM
It's possible that the latter was influenced by the former. Brilliance Auto is afterall BMW's partner in China.

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 08:38 AM
Yeah, I guess there are some cooperation there. :)

knicks125
03-28-2005, 08:42 AM
I do see some subtle similarties, but as Santeno pointed out, BMW & Brilliance-Auto has a partnership formed. Aside from the above, I personally wouldn't go as far as saying it's a cheap copy of the 5 series, but that's your opinion. I would hope and think many, especially BA, would take it as an insensitive insult; aside from that, your arrogance and clear bias on BMW does not mean everything is derived from BMW...don't get me wrong, I certainly like BMW cars, and espeically their designs, but that doesn't mean there aren't other cars on the road, and their designs should be praised as well...

Buster
03-28-2005, 09:22 AM
IMO it looks like it should be a Rover 75 replacement. Something about that grille reminds me of an MG version. Didn't the companies have a brief relationship? Rover seems very fond of copying Audi styling cues and the headlights and tailights appear very Audi like to my eyes. Maybe this restyle came out of it before they parted company. Anyways, it does look world class. Of course I want to feel it before I decide if I like it.

Toxic
03-28-2005, 09:47 AM
Reminds me of a BMW,thats a good thing.

bolita
03-28-2005, 10:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Twisted</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Reminds me of a BMW,thats a good thing.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It will be if it does when you drive it...not look at it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 11:44 AM
Yes, of course. I am glad that we agree. But when a company makes a car that has so many similare lines as another car, i tend to say what I mean and I can be abit harsh. I guess it is going to be a cheap version of the 5-series anyways. Cost less and have less luxury, a cheaper alternative. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

407
03-29-2005, 05:36 AM
Is there any reviews of this car ? Looks good, wondering about the ride and handling.

fancar
04-01-2005, 03:41 AM
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fancar
04-01-2005, 03:45 AM
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erzhik
04-01-2005, 07:23 AM
looks like a mixture of 3series and new A4....

MrMGMan
04-01-2005, 07:33 AM
I'm quite impressed by this, it looks very clean and tidy, and the interior is really quite nice. The switchgear looks well designed and well located, and the SatNav screen positioned between the air vents gives an air of hi-tech sheen and even the fake wood looks relatively convincing.

erzhik
04-01-2005, 10:34 AM
the switchgear design looks really nice. I am concerned about the quality of the car.

fancar
04-02-2005, 04:57 AM
According to a report, the Brilliance Auto M2 maybe exhibits in Auto Shanghai 2005.<p>I am concerned about the quality and performance of the car, too. <br>

MrMGMan
04-02-2005, 08:42 AM
I don't see any need to be concerned about the quality or performance of the car, as its very doubtful its going to sold anywhere outside of China for the foreseeable, short-term future. <p>Even if it is offered for sale in other markets, I don't see anything that makes me doubt the car's build quality. The exterior panel gaps are all tight and even, the paint finish looks deep and smooth, and all the exterior components - headlights, door handles, grille, badging - look suitably durable. The interior also looks as though its been assembled to a fairly high standard of quality and durability, using decent enough materials. <p>As for performance, if it uses Mitsubishi 1.8 and 2.4-litre four cylinder engines it should definitely be no slouch. One area for possible concern could by the dynamic abilities of the car, which going on past far-eastern form, won't be anywhere near the dynamic abilities of European, or even American rivals.

nismo
04-02-2005, 02:24 PM
this car is really nice... the 1.8 and 2.4 Mitsu 4cyl are no sports car engines but they're known and reliable. I wonder if the 2.4 is the revised one with MIVEC (VVT) with 160hp or the old version with 142hp? Also is this car FWD or RWD..?

fancar
04-02-2005, 06:33 PM
According to a report, the new engine factory, which will produce the "E2" engine (1.6-2.0L,maybe include 1.8T) in this year, have been built. I think M2 will use the "E2" engine.