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Comrade
03-17-2005, 09:07 PM
<A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66659.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66659.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66661.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66661.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66662.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66662.jpg</A><p>souce: autobild.de<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 8:56 PM 3/17/2005</i>

Ascariss
03-17-2005, 09:55 PM
Please do no post spy pictures as images in the future, thank you.

skoochythatone
03-18-2005, 03:03 AM
This could just be a AMG sportspackage, to look like the Formula1 safety cars. Does anybody know more about plans for a CLS65AMG? Could be possible sinde there are already 65AMG models, such as the S65, SL65 and CL65.

erzhik
03-18-2005, 05:36 AM
They will fit the same engine as the CL 65 AMG - a 6.0-litre twin-turbo V12 delivering 612bhp, 738lb ft of torque and sub-4.5 second 0-60mph acceleration - and AMG Speedshift five-speed auto transmission, it's likely to be one of the ultimate super-coupe purchases of the next few years

Top Secret
03-18-2005, 06:00 AM
I doubt it will happen.<p>BTW, the same engine is also fitted in all 65 models erzhik.

carrera4
03-18-2005, 06:13 AM
you forgot these...<br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66660.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66660.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66663.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66663.jpg</A><p>souce: autobild.de<p><br>

Cozz
03-18-2005, 05:46 PM
This is badass! I want one so bad... all that useless tourqe, it's amazing.<p>On a side note, the CLS is a modified E-class chassis. I remember something that they couldn't fit the V12 in the E-Class. So how did they do that to the CLS?

Redline
03-18-2005, 05:51 PM
Wow. Benz does it again. Absolutely stunning. Maybe they'll give this one all wheel drive so it can handle all that torque.

KebabGud
03-18-2005, 06:04 PM
there is no room in v12 powerd cars for a AWD system.. (thats why the A8 comes whit a W12 and not a V12)<br>

Cozz
03-18-2005, 06:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is no room in v12 powerd cars for a AWD system.. (thats why the A8 comes whit a W12 and not a V12)<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought it was because they put 2 VR6 motors side by side instead of wasting money on a low volume V12.

erzhik
03-18-2005, 06:31 PM
well I thought they do it to give their cars more power, and more notice.. I mean W12 is not V12... it a lot better then that..

Comrade
03-18-2005, 11:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow. Benz does it again. Absolutely stunning. Maybe they'll give this one all wheel drive so it can handle all that torque.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>But then the tranny won't handle all the grip and torque together, so they would have to improve that as well.<p>thanks carrera4, I must have skipped those pictures because the number were moving each time I clicked on a number and I didn't realize that at first.<p>...and I'll keep in mind to post all spy pictures as links <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
03-19-2005, 03:05 AM
The whole 'W-type' engines are a gimmick. What other advantage do they serve bar their compact size?

sdmagnus
03-20-2005, 04:51 PM
A V12 engine configuration has no free moments or forces of the first or second degree (other config. with these prop. incl. b6, s6).<p>A W12 is not a better configuration to start with...

RoAnSa
03-21-2005, 05:37 PM
the V12 will fit into a E-Class , there are prototypes driving around as E 65 AMG

LSS_C6
03-22-2005, 04:31 AM
I think this is a new E65 AMG<p><IMG SRC="http://mitglied.lycos.de/nms47/AMG/amg.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>E 63 AMG / V8 Bi-Turbo......550 cv / 0-100 km/h : 4.0s

odic
03-22-2005, 08:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is badass! I want one so bad... all that useless tourqe, it's amazing.<p>On a side note, the CLS is a modified E-class chassis. I remember something that they couldn't fit the V12 in the E-Class. So how did they do that to the CLS?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, Brabus did it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.brabus-online.de/special/01bbe.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.brabus-online.de/special/01bbe.htm</A><p><br>Off topic: check their other specials on <A HREF="http://www.brabus.com/06bbe.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.brabus.com/06bbe.htm</A><p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LSS_C6</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think this is a new E65 AMG<p><IMG SRC="http://mitglied.lycos.de/nms47/AMG/amg.JPG" BORDER="0"><p>E 63 AMG / V8 Bi-Turbo......550 cv / 0-100 km/h : 4.0s</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Those rims look to small for me (and won't it have the rims of the SL 65 AMG, those are looking daaaamn hot)<br>I think it's that option MB also did on the SL 55 AMG, just make looking it better<br>You've got a pic of the back?

knicks125
04-25-2005, 08:54 AM
From TCC:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_07_Mercedes_CLS65.S178.A8507.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A>

Comrade
04-25-2005, 10:16 AM
We have those images already, but thanks anyway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
04-25-2005, 11:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We have those images already, but thanks anyway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes thank you...i saw those...I only posted as a link with some more detailed info I thought they would be helpful...

Seller Automotive
04-25-2005, 07:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think that these cars will have a V12...IMO these are the new 63AMG, because if the new 63 is supposed to have 550hp, there is no room for the 65 with only 60hp and some lb/ft more!!! This car doesn't make any sense!! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just so you know... an Updated Twin Turbo V12 is coming out with ~700hp and over 800tq...Its been discussed on this site and talked about on several online sites and in several magazines. It will be used in the next S65/CL65.<p><br>The engine was also rumored to be used in the McLaren "C60" (SLR replacement). Who knows if that car will ever be developed though.

Cozz
04-26-2005, 06:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The Sources i have say that the new 65 AMG will have 630hp NOT 700!! <b>thats because their transmission, 5 speed, can't cope with more torque that the actual engine. And the 7 speed currently used in non AMG cars can't handle it either... Mercedes already have problems in transfering all that power to the ground </b>, also, 630 to 700 doesn't make a lot of difference in a 2 plus tonne car. What they should really be worried about is not more horsepower, but better handling. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Santeno at 6:09 PM 4/26/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hard to believe... show me proof. You would think that a heavy CL V12 twin turbo tranny holds pretty good and launches from a dead spot pretty damn good. I think we still have the vids in the video section.<p>PS. MB's don't need more handleing, it's all about brute power and luxury while BMW gives an all around perfomance car but kinda lacks in luxury, 2 different cars for different people.

Seller Automotive
04-27-2005, 10:35 AM
People are happy with Mercedes.. and even more happy with AMG.. I dont see anything changing anytime soon with how they build cars.. They have a great formula..<p>1. Build a new car<br>2. Build an AMG version very quickly by adding Big Engine, Big Brakes, and New Looks.. If AMG starts getting overly extensive with its models we wont get the cars Months after the regular versions are released... We'll have to wait 2 years like we are doing right now with the BMW M5(Stupid).. I hate waiting.<p>I love Merc/AMG's car building formula right now.<p>Leave "Lightweight" to the first McLaren that will be sold @ Mercedes Dealers.. hopefully the rumors will become true.(obviously the SLR was heavy, thats now what im talking about.. the SLR was heavy because Mercedes kept sticking their noses into McLarens car building business telling them how the car NEEDS to be... I'm talking about the newest rumors of McLaren going it alone, and building true "McLaren" road cars.. with ZERO mercedes input.. but will still be sold at Mercedes Dealerships.)

IcedG35
04-27-2005, 08:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hard to believe... show me proof. You would think that a heavy CL V12 twin turbo tranny holds pretty good and launches from a dead spot pretty damn good. I think we still have the vids in the video section.<p>PS. MB's don't need more handleing, it's all about brute power and luxury while BMW gives an all around perfomance car but kinda lacks in luxury, 2 different cars for different people.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>the current AMG 65 engine had to be detuned because the tranny couldn't handle all the torque so it is believeable that an even more powerful engine would run into the same problems. hwoever, if they have already reached teh hp or torque limit for this tranny, then a new tranny would be more liekly than a bigger engine, or at least a necessary first step.

JBlair
04-27-2005, 08:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the current AMG 65 engine had to be detuned because the tranny couldn't handle all the torque so it is believeable that an even more powerful engine would run into the same problems. hwoever, if they have already reached teh hp or torque limit for this tranny, then a new tranny would be more liekly than a bigger engine, or at least a necessary first step.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The transmission would have been able to handle it had they modified and strengthened it, but they chose not to spend the cash or energy doing it. Seeing as how mercedes is also an expert in transmission design and engineering, if they need to strengthen or reengineer the current 5-speed, then they will.

IcedG35
04-27-2005, 09:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The transmission would have been able to handle it had they modified and strengthened it, but they chose not to spend the cash or energy doing it. Seeing as how mercedes is also an expert in transmission design and engineering, if they need to strengthen or reengineer the current 5-speed, then they will. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>either way, it seems like the next tranny for such powerful engines would have more than 5 speeds, although 7 seems excessive...u think a AMG 6-speed auto is a possible replacement?

Cozz
04-28-2005, 07:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>the current AMG 65 engine had to be detuned because the tranny couldn't handle all the torque so it is believeable that an even more powerful engine would run into the same problems. hwoever, if they have already reached teh hp or torque limit for this tranny, then a new tranny would be more liekly than a bigger engine, or at least a necessary first step.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just like JBlair said. MB has the means to produce trannies for loader diesel trucks where it's calculated in tons. I'm sure they can scrap something together if they wanted to.

Cozz
04-28-2005, 07:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>"PS. MB's don't need more handleing, it's all about brute power and luxury"<br> ARE YOU SURE? Because then, we could compare Mercedes to a yatch, a lot of luxury, brutal power and it handles like a boat!! Just because BMW has a more dynamic soul, it doesn't mean that it lacks in luxury. Mercedes AMG has a great car, with a lot of power, more than BMW or AUDI, but its handling can't match with the last two. THAT'S why they should be more worried about their handling issue, making a car thats lighter would be a good start..... (better handling, even more acceleration, lower consumption, etc...). We are talking about the AMG line here, it has to have a more focused performance than the luxury mercedes line</TD></TR></TABLE><p>MB compared to a yatch? But of course. C'mon man, you telling me there's more luxury in a 5'er than a E-class? Or more in the 6'er than the CLS? Not to put nothing down but I do think MB gains in the luxury depertment while BMW's have more "dynamic soul". I want to relax in an MB. I want to push gears in a BMW. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

IcedG35
04-28-2005, 07:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Just like JBlair said. MB has the means to produce trannies for loader diesel trucks where it's calculated in tons. I'm sure they can scrap something together if they wanted to. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i completely agree...i guess at the time they weren't putting in the effort...anyway, u guys think a 6 speed would be more likely at this point or even a variation of the 7Gtronic?

Cozz
04-28-2005, 07:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>?!? You want to relax in an AMG?? definately ONLY YOU. So considering that you want to relax in an AMG, why buy it over a regular 500?? whats the fuc**** point? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> You know what is one of the causes why have MERCEDES made the CLS with 4 doors? THATS BECAUSE IN EUROPE MOST E-CLASSES ARE TAXY! WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO HAVE AN E-CLASS <U>IN EUROPE</U>? I DON"T THINK SO. IF MERCEDES WANTED TO BUILD A CAR TO COMPETE WITH THE 645, IT WOULD HAVE HAD 2 DOORS. PERIOD. MERCEDES NEVER SAID THAT THE CLS IS A DIRECT COMPETITOR TO THE 645. ONLY REFFERED TO IT AS AN "INOVATTION". VERY BEAULTIFUL IF I MAY SAY.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Try to stick to the argument for once. Try not to move around so much. MB has more luxury than BMW. It's as simple as that.

Cozz
04-28-2005, 08:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Simple it is... you should try it either, just read your last post and you will see what am i talking about. So COZZ are you still trying to relax in an S65?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup! I have relaxed in 4 non AMG's that I have owned. Sadly I never owned an AMG... yet. I guess I'm just older than you so I think a bit differently.

RikfromBelgium
04-29-2005, 08:37 AM
I have to agree with Cozz on this one. MB likes to get leatherette oeverywhere, chrome arround everything,...<p>BMW doesn't want that, because it isn't what people want from a BMW. It's emptier but because it's designed more sporty, you don't think it's a lesser interior. They just have a different purpose.<p>But when it comse to AMG I do think MB needs to decide what they want. Many AMG's do lack the agility I do think most people want in that segment. M-sales clearly show that luxury comes to a second place. First get the weight down, and the handling perfect. Than we can talk about all the materials.

IcedG35
04-29-2005, 12:15 PM
I think AMG is as close to as driver car as Mercedes is getting. If you want to relax in a fast SL for isntance, you get a SL600 which is still fast as hell...but if you want to drive you get teh SL 55 or 65 depending on wallet size... same with teh S600 vs the S55 (or 65), and same with a CLS500 vs 55 or 65. that is really the only way i can think of to explain to exteremly high performance version of the same car. some peopel like to know they have teh power when they need it, adn some like to make the power part of their everyday drive, so they get an AMG opposed to a 600. <p>basically, there would be no point in offering AMG if 500hp V12's already exist, unless you change the driving dynamics on an AMG, whcih would explain why having two cars with nearly the same power makes sense. <p>whether merc has succeeded in making AMG a true driver's car is a too subjective for any of us to argue.

IcedG35
04-29-2005, 12:22 PM
that being said, it makes no sense to me why they would offer an AMG sports package on any of the 600's, other than a more sport appearance

the cheddar
04-29-2005, 05:20 PM
I hate to rile everyone up over transmissions again but: With that much torque, who needs gears! Seriously, I don't want a 7-speed in something that has 738 lb ft. <p>At a certain point, horsepwer becomes irrelevant. The difference between a 600 hp SL and a 750 hp SL is barely noticeable. Why? Because the tires can't hold and no one can drive it safely. There really is such thing as too much power. I don't care what anyone says, it's true!<p>I had a buddy in an 800 hp Supra in GT roadracing challenge and the guy could not keep it together! It literally was all he could do to keep it on the track. He punted it and races a Viper now.

dng
05-03-2005, 02:54 PM
Not sure if this is just smoke, or if this is even old news:<p>Edmunds has the "exclusive" on the CLS 65 by new information from MB Germany. Mercedes denies work on the CLS 65 but comment that a future update on 55 series engines is in the pipeline (more than a year away).<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Articles/articleId=105519" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...05519</A><p>Interesting.

Seller Automotive
05-03-2005, 03:21 PM
I'm glad information like this has finally "leaked"... eventhough many will still believe what they want to believe.<p>The Mercedes CLS63 AMG, which will be the next and only AMG Version of the CLS, comes out sometime in 2006.

Jordmaniac
06-03-2005, 05:54 AM
well this isnt necesaraly a spy pic because THE DANG THING IS ALREADY IN PRODUCTION!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
06-03-2005, 07:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jordmaniac</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well this isnt necesaraly a spy pic because THE DANG THING IS ALREADY IN PRODUCTION!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Uhh Smarty-pants, It is a spypic, because the production AMG model is a CLS 55. (not 65). Check it out:<p><A HREF="http://www3.mercedes-benz.com/omb/amg/en/home/index.htm?referrer=http%3A//www.mercedes-benz.com/mbcom/international/international_website/en/com/international_home/home/products/passengercars/solutions/amg.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www3.mercedes-benz.com/....html</A><p>Might want to double check your information next time.

RikfromBelgium
06-03-2005, 09:03 AM
Neither is this a 65, since there won't be one.

knicks125
01-11-2006, 12:02 PM
New spy shots:<p><A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan06/09CLS63SpyPhotos.html" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan06....html</A>

Roadster44
01-12-2006, 01:45 PM
SEX

DSC-OFF
04-21-2006, 08:36 AM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060421.003/6060421.003.mini6L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060421.003/6060421.003.mini7L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060421.003/6060421.003.mini8L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060421.003/6060421.003.mini9L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060421.003/6060421.003.mini10L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/gcf/spyphotoID/6060421.003/mercedes/mercedes-cl-63-and-cls-65-amg-spy-photos" TARGET="_blank">WCF</A><br> <br>

odic
04-21-2006, 09:00 AM
useless to make a 65 if they just introduced the 63 <p>

against the wall
04-21-2006, 04:48 PM
those pics are more than a year old. check the first post of this thread.

Comrade
04-21-2006, 06:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">those pics are more than a year old. check the first post of this thread.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>haha I remember starting it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>The pics that DSC-OFF just posted are the same pics that I had posted a yr ago, but the new ones are in high-res.