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T.B.
03-16-2005, 08:55 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_autoexpress_homepage/images/ae_cover.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br><I><B>New MINI breaks cover</B><p>Mind the doors... the MINI is about to get the 'suicide' treatment. But fans of the cult car should not worry, as parent firm BMW has no plans to axe its baby best-seller.<p>This week's mag features the first stunning pictures of the all-new MINI Clubman Estate, which we can exclusively reveal will have Mazda RX-8-style suicide doors. The Clubman Estate could account for up to a fifth of all MINI sales when it joins the brand new range in two years' time.<p>This new-look MINI will bear a striking resemblance to the current car - after all, why change a winning formula? But it will have a simplified nose, doing away with the present model's complex 'clamshell' bonnet and replacing it with a more conventional item. <p>That would allow a more up-right grille, shaped to more closely resemble the original Austin Mini's. Meanwhile, sporty models are likely to be offered with an unusual twin-headlamp layout. Yet it's the estate variant that is expected to see the most significant developments. <p>It may look similar to the wood-panelled load-luggers made by Italian firm Castagna in 2003, but it will be designed and built by BMW. The new car is likely to share most of its structure with the MINI hatch to keep costs down, but be based on a longer-wheelbase platform.<p>And unusually, the Clubman will come with only one rear side door, although twin back doors give excellent luggage space and make loading easy. The boot volume is expected to at least rival the likes of five-door hatches such as the Ford Focus and Vauxhall Astra.<p>This move comes as MINI looks to take on more mainstream competitors, <p>with BMW aiming for much higher volumes of the newcomer. The Clubman could realistically account for as many as an extra quarter of a million sales a year globally. There are other bodystyle variants in the pipeline, too, with a convertible expected from launch and the possibility of a MINI Speedster or a reincarnation of the Moke name before the end of the decade. <p>BMW won't confirm exact plans for the next-generation MINI, but we have been made aware of the fact that there are 'other variants' being considered as essential to the model's continued popularity.<p>The next generation will also see a new range of engines debuting in the car, to replace the current Chrysler-sourced petrol units and Toyota diesel powerplants. <p>Initially, it's expected that only Cooper and Cooper S versions will get the new motors - both 1.6-litre petrols developing similar outputs to the existing variants. They'll use BMW's latest Valvetronic technology to deliver better performance and economy than today's engines.<p>In addition, there will be an all-new oil-burner, likely to develop more than 100bhp for the first time. It could be offered in the first-ever Cooper diesel, which is expected to appear in showrooms late in 2007. The MINI One will get new engines in 2009, with both petrol and oil-burners anticipated.<p>This new model range will probably debut at the Geneva Motor Show in March 2007, before going on sale across Europe that summer. The Clubman Estate will make its first public appearance towards the end of the year, with the wraps being taken off the entire line-up in Japan and the US in 2008.<p>by Craig Cheetham </I><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/55065/new_mini_breaks_cover.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A><p>

knicks125
03-16-2005, 09:09 AM
looks okay, i guess...although i still have problems with fully loaded mini being 50k (USD) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
03-16-2005, 11:35 AM
Fully loaded MINI's costing $50k US? Not even close. Try half. 4k more for convertible.<p>Clubman will be welcome - I love our Cooper S but the size does mean another car is required.

knicks125
03-16-2005, 11:48 AM
if you don't believe me, go spec one out on their website <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-16-2005, 01:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you don't believe me, go spec one out on their website <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Specced one out (convertible, which is more expensive) and it only got up to $39,000. Don't know where you got $50,000 from, unless you rounded up $11,000 from $39,000.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by JBlair at 3:17 PM 3/16/2005</i>

knicks125
03-16-2005, 01:19 PM
if you add every single item, you would see msrp in the upper 40s, near 50k, I did it about a month ago, <p>although no one would ever get a "fully loaded" version, but I just think even 25k base price is a little to much for a mini

JBlair
03-16-2005, 01:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you add every single item, you would see msrp in the upper 40s, near 50k</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats what I did <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Screen-shot it..............

knicks125
03-16-2005, 01:22 PM
did you add all of the useless accesories?

r3vilo
03-16-2005, 01:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you add all of the useless accesories?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>thats not really the point, if they're pointless, then why bother getting them???

knicks125
03-16-2005, 01:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>revilo_</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>thats not really the point, if they're pointless, then why bother getting them???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>never said they were pointless, they are just useless for me, although they do serve a point for some people <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
03-16-2005, 01:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...with BMW aiming for much higher volumes of the newcomer. The Clubman could realistically account for as many as an extra quarter of a million sales a year globally. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It looks good, but doesn't this sound a bit unrealistic? Also, i find it strange that they would get just one back door, they would have to make different part moldings for different markets ( RHD and LHD ).

Uberwagon
03-16-2005, 01:46 PM
Okay, my Cooper S, more than well equipped, touched $25,900. But, in the interest of fairness, I just spec'd one out with every piece of useless crap imaginable and couldn't push it above $43,981. Close, and shocking, but no cigar. FYI, said crap includes:<p>Multiple roofracks, carbon fibre everything, glow in the dark door sills, a roof box, a kayak carrier, two bike racks, chrome-a-go-go, trunk organizers, coolers, special license plate frames, multiple versions of floor mats, namby-pamby graphic stickers, multiple sound packages, back up fog lights, special wheels, upgraded tires, JCW packages of every variety and, of course, a set of chrome Mini tire plugs. <p>That said, if you really, honestly have "problems" that a Mini tops out at 50k, IMHO, you probably just have problems. That or you need a bigger Mini. <p>Hey, maybe this Clubman version has legs after all!<p>(Sorry if I'm being a jerk, folks. Peace)

knicks125
03-16-2005, 01:53 PM
The only problem I have is with this thing selling for that much, regardless of the price difference we each priced (I priced it over a month ago). Nevertheless, it is quality car, as are most German cars, and following the trend of most German cars, it is a bit overpriced, IMO (I've owned three German cars in my life time).

Krypton
03-16-2005, 02:42 PM
I do not think its overpriced but i was bored so i speced one out and got it at 48,464 <p><A HREF="http://img168.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img168&image=screen12ku.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img168.exs.cx/img168/8814/screen12ku.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p><br>ontopic, the new version looks good

scott26
03-16-2005, 03:09 PM
The picture is of an current MINI.<br>But yes the next MINI platform will offer maximum flexibility meaning more models than the current model. <p>The next MINI is an evolution of the it's not broke don't fix category except it's achilies heel - The engine . Although developed with PSA the new engine will also be tuned to the MINI's requirements - Performance and that MINI raspy sound. <p>Although the current car will still be around as Convertible to accompany the phase in of the next MINI to keep interest in the current car in the last years to it's replacement a Roadster MINI will be the final model of the current MINI line up. <p>The next MINI will be more flexible in body variants all options are open.<br>MINI will enter new niches for it's class.<p>The interior is a revolution of the current car think a cross with the Z4 Roadster and current MINI but in art-deco styling. The central pod remains but the evolution spreads to the functions the climate system now appears in the shape of the MINI logo. The rocker switches remain but become more stylized. Different trim options will include two sets of alloy and two sets of wood such as a different texture to the dash and the doors.<br>Equipment will increase as well as options features such as Mp3 , DVD ,ipod will all accomodate into the new car as will MINidrive. Which is an <br>idea being discussed for integration of the new caridrive for MINI.<p>BMW hope that the new MINI roadster will sustain the success story until the phase in of the next MINI avoiding the fall off seen with the VW Beetle.<br>MINI Has been a success story for BMW hence the decision to be more flexible in body designs. The current model could not really accomadate all the latest ideas as they had no idea if the car wouldbe successful.<p>At BMW taking risks and being adventurous shows why year in year out .<br>That success is inevitable.<br>

knicks125
03-16-2005, 03:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Krypton</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do not think its overpriced but i was bored so i speced one out and got it at 48,464 <p>ontopic, the new version looks good</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thank you...and everyone thought i was crazy and had problems...i think i got the exact same number as you did...after taxes, licenses, etc, it's is going to be over 50k...thanks krypton<p>i agree, it is a nice looking car, quality is top notch, as are many other German cars, and still my only complaint, is the price

badman
03-17-2005, 04:09 PM
On a related note, <A HREF="http://www.motoringfile.com/2005/03/17/next_generation_mini_interior_revealed" TARGET="_blank">Next Generation MINI Interior Revealed</A>.<p>More pictures: <A HREF="http://mini2.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1447343&postcount=8" TARGET="_blank">http://mini2.com/forum/showpos...unt=8</A>

Redline
03-17-2005, 04:56 PM
I can honestly say that the new interior certainly doesn't please me. The exterior and handling better make the current one look awful to really make this one work.<p>*By the way you guys are still under on your figures, I got the Mini S Convertible to $49,169. It doesn't get much closer to 50 grand, and I bet I can get it higher if I wanted too.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Redline at 7:14 PM 3/17/2005</i>

knicks125
03-18-2005, 06:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Redline</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can honestly say that the new interior certainly doesn't please me. The exterior and handling better make the current one look awful to really make this one work.<p>*By the way you guys are still under on your figures, I got the Mini S Convertible to $49,169. It doesn't get much closer to 50 grand, and I bet I can get it higher if I wanted too.<p><br><i>Modified by Redline at 7:14 PM 3/17/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Agreed...and haha...25k on the car and another 25k on options and accersorries (sp??)...you've got be kidding me, although I can understand it's a mini-bmw <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

FaLeX
03-18-2005, 07:41 AM
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mzoltarp
03-19-2005, 06:32 AM
Even at 25k the mini is pricey.

knicks125
03-19-2005, 09:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Even at 25k the mini is pricey.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thank you!!!

skoochythatone
03-19-2005, 11:49 AM
Yes, the current MINI is pricey, and the next one sure will be, too. But you know what? PEOPLE STILL LOVE IT AND STILL SPEND TONS OF MONEY ON IT! And thats why BMW is pretty happy to have reactivated the MINI brand in such an incredible way.

knicks125
03-19-2005, 12:06 PM
so what does that say about the people who buy them <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
03-20-2005, 02:54 PM
Hehe..exactly! But if you have ever driven a current MINI, man..that thing is sweet! I absolutely love it.

Uberwagon
03-21-2005, 10:46 PM
That's a nice evolution of the interior but not a very radical redesign. The faux wood is never good in my book but the design theme is clean and consistent, if not pleasing to everyone here. The current interior has some shortfalls for sure. Door handles and center pod being my main gripes. But given its primary mission, driving fun, I'm okay with it.<p>The excellent thing about the Clubman is that it will open up the market to folks who require a bit more space than the current Mini affords. My Mini is, thankfully, not the only car I own. That said, if I only had one, sadly, the Mini wouldn't be it. With a larger version in the works, I think Mini is wisely inviting a lot of pragmatists to enjoy the Mini party. Moreso than a convertible or roadster version.<p>Not sure what a $25k price tag says about people who buy them (I use a Cooper S for M-F commuting) but, if you ever bother to drive one, and I mean really put one through the paces, you'll know right away where that extra money goes. I mean, a BMW has never been good "value" in the content race and neither is this. It's simply a great car for driving hard. It isn't a car you buy for the specs or for all the neat "stuff" that comes standard (get an Acura TSX). You'll find a lot of cars that do 0-60 faster or comfort the mass-market's ever-widening girth with barcalounger comfort. At $25k with leather and fixin's (or roughly $20k and change for a base S) those people who buy their cars like a spreadsheet or a couch will be disappointed. Another forum will cater to your driving desires.<p>But if you like pounding through the corners with a grown-up's go-kart, and prize the road-feel of 3-series BMW, stick around. The Clubman may be an exciting variation of an incredible car that suits the needs of more of us.<p>Please pardon my own quasi-off-topic rant (truly sorry about that) but please stop taking this off-topic and go elsewhere if you want to ***** about how much a Mini with $18k of accessories costs. It's premium coin. We GET IT. Thanks & Cheers.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">