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Ascariss
03-14-2005, 10:19 AM
<A HREF="http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/8/157988.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/8/157988.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/9/157989.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/9/157989.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/0/157990.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/0/157990.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/1/157991.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/1/157991.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/157992.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/157992.jpg</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Redline
03-14-2005, 12:48 PM
What is so darn hard about getting frontal pictures these days? Of course I guess we've pretty much seen that from those clubsport pictures a while back.

sc43018
03-14-2005, 07:15 PM
does it have to have the ironing board on the back? Why does Porsche put such large spoilers on their cars? (hopefully for performance purposes, and not for looks)<br>

LegoDoom
03-15-2005, 11:25 PM
Does this not look like a GT3 to anyone else? It looks to be widebodied and has some options like the 19" rims, a rear windshield wiper, and a sunroof that weren't offered on the 996 GT3.

protocatcher
03-16-2005, 12:26 AM
Hmmmmm, LegoDoom is right ...there seemes to be an sunroof atleast on one of the cars....and it looks like it DOESENT have the right spoiler in the front.Hard to see on that sideshot....Ascariss has some real GT3 pics from me he knows what im talking about .

carrera4
03-16-2005, 08:55 AM
Found these...<br><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30265.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30265.jpeg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30266.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30266.jpeg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30267.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30267.jpeg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30268.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30268.jpeg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30269.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30269.jpeg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30270.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30270.jpeg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30271.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30271.jpeg</A><br>

carrera4
03-16-2005, 09:00 AM
and these<br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66263.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66263.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66264.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66264.jpg</A><br>

Ascariss
03-16-2005, 10:12 AM
Thanks for the pics, that is the GT3 alright by the looks of it. I have seen this bumper before though on porsche media. hmm.

carrera4
03-16-2005, 10:13 AM
what about the pic by protocatcher?

Ascariss
03-16-2005, 10:18 AM
Same front bumper as these, the car is white though not black. It looks better in white I have to say. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
03-16-2005, 05:43 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30267.jpeg" BORDER="0"><br>This is a GT3 RS or a GT2 .. the GT3 and Turbo did not have that front .. but the GT3 RS and the GT2 did..<br>and porche is not known for changing that mutch on the 997

JBlair
03-16-2005, 05:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_30267.jpeg" BORDER="0"><br>This is a GT3 RS or a GT2 .. the GT3 and Turbo did not have that front .. but the GT3 RS and the GT2 did..<br>and porche is not known for changing that mutch on the 997</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe they've decided to start <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Mindless T
03-16-2005, 07:04 PM
Isnt that a 997 aero package in the pic?? ^^^

Top Secret
03-17-2005, 01:36 AM
I'm sure RUF has the same front bumper as that - maybe its a new RUF vehicle?<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/09/rufrt1205.JPG" BORDER="0">

The Spy
03-17-2005, 05:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carrera4</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and these<br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66263.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66263.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66264.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66264.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>These pictures really just show the aero kit, which you can already buy. <br>It's just a Carrera S, the GT3 will have it's exhaust pipes in the middle of the rear bumper, like on the pics by Bilnorge and Dinside.

copic
03-17-2005, 06:11 AM
yeh, its the exclusive-aerokit and fortunately I'm taking a ride on an aerokitted 997 today :P maybe I'm gonna post pics then :)...

carrera4
03-17-2005, 06:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>The Spy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These pictures really just show the aero kit, which you can already buy. <br>It's just a Carrera S, the GT3 will have it's exhaust pipes in the middle of the rear bumper, like on the pics by Bilnorge and Dinside.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><br>Thank you for the info, do you have exclusive pics?

Redline
03-17-2005, 11:06 AM
The stacked vent on the bottom of the hood is more characteristic of the GT2, the GT3 RS wasn't stacked, simply straight. While that could easily be changed and not matter, you must note the nice interior which does not look GT3 or GT2. This looks closer to a Turbo which won't have the rear wing though. So either the GT3 is going upmarket in interior, or the GT2 is losing the bodykit, but either way this is odd. It does resemble those GT3 Clubsport pictures though, I wish I could find that thread.

copic
03-17-2005, 02:26 PM
as I wrote, I took a ride on an exclusive-997 Carrera S (india-red, aerokit, black-red-rims, carbon-interior ...) today ... daaamn, this thing's great!! love it so much! if you want me to, i can post sum pics...

Ascariss
03-17-2005, 02:40 PM
Post away, send any high res pics to my email if you can. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Seller Automotive
03-17-2005, 04:14 PM
Why doesnt anyone remember the AUTOWEEK article nearly 6 months OLD!??<p>It had complete pictures of the 911 GT3... it was Yellow.<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=100674" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/articl...00674</A><p>It CLEARLY has the same front bumper as those winter test cars... same goes for the Exhaust.<p>Porsche would NOT change the exhaust system location JUST for a "Sport Package".. those winter pics of the black cars are clearly GT3's.

copic
03-18-2005, 02:20 AM
for sure its a GT3 ... the only exhausts that are offered as exclusive-exhausts are chromed Carrera-S ones (the serial version has no chromed ones) and the already presented sport-exhausts which have 4 pipes, two bigger than the other two if you know what I mean.

Ascariss
03-20-2005, 01:37 PM
here are the pictures, sorry for the delay.<p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//gtpor_01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//gtpor_02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//gtpor_03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//gtpor_04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://premium1.uploadit.org/a...4.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//gtpor_05.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://premium1.uploadit.org/a...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//gtpor_06.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://premium1.uploadit.org/a...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//gtpor_07.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://premium1.uploadit.org/a...7.jpg</A><p>Thanks to Copic (Lukas) for the pictures, the car rocks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
03-21-2005, 10:00 AM
<A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/P/porsche/03-large/Porsche-911-GT-001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/P/porsche/03-large/Porsche-911-GT-002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/P/porsche/03-large/Porsche-911-GT-003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/P/porsche/03-large/Porsche-911-GT-004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...4.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spy Shot: Porsche 911 GT3<br>We reckon this is the new 997-series 911 GT3, the road-going version of the GT3 Cup race car. Giveaways include the twin exhaust tailpipes, centrally-mounted. It is expected to have the 3.8-litre engine as in the Carrera S, however, rather than the Cup's 3.6, giving a good 400 bhp nonetheless though it's unlikely to rev to 8200rpm like the race car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seller Automotive
03-22-2005, 04:13 PM
White is Hot.<p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Porsche/100518581/20023474-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Porsche/100518581/20023475-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><p>

LegoDoom
03-22-2005, 06:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">White is Hot.<p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Porsche/100518581/20023474-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Porsche/100518581/20023475-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Especially with the PCCB's.

r3vilo
05-06-2005, 08:28 AM
new from autocar.<p><A HREF="http://autocar.co.uk/Car/Porsche/911/28455342571.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autocar.co.uk/Car/Porsc...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autocar.co.uk/Car/Porsche/911/28455344151.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autocar.co.uk/Car/Porsc...1.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Porsche will continue the GT3 dynasty with a version of the new 911, as these exclusive scoop photographs taken at the Nrburgring track reveal. Tipped to cost around 80,000 when UK sales start early next year, the new hard-core 911 once again acts as a homologation special for Porsches race-track activities.<p>Close inspection of the prototype above shows the subtle changes that mark it out as the new GT3. They include an additional cooling duct just ahead of the leading edge of the bonnet and a subtle splitter lip on the front bumper.<p>At the rear theres a towering wing with integrated ducting for the rear-mounted engine and twinned central exhaust pipes. The whole car has also been lowered and sports high-performance tyres.<p>Porsche is tight-lipped on the power source of the latest GT3, but indications are it will pack a new 3.8-litre engine based on that used in the 911 Carrera S. With lightweight internals and unique engine mapping, it is designed to rev to over 8000rpm and punch out around 400bhp in production trim, topping the old GT3s 3.6-litre powerplant by 25bhp and the newly introduced Carrera S by 50bhp.<p>As before, drive is through a updated six-speed manual gearbox to the rear wheels. Expect it to better the current GT3s performance of 0-62mph in 4.5sec, 0-100mph in 9.4sec and 191mph.<p>Meanwhile, the success of the 911 Turbo Cabriolet, re-introduced late last year after a long hiatus, appears to have cemented its place in the Porsche line-up. The new model, revealed (right) with a hard-top in place, is rumoured to run a twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre flat-six engine with 480bhp  up 60bhp on todays model. However, Porsche is also working on an S version with a 525bhp version of the same engine.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>source: autocar

skoochythatone
05-06-2005, 09:31 AM
Damn..this car seriously rocks...so do BB-... license plates by the way..hehe..

Kemble
05-11-2005, 08:37 PM
<A HREF="http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view.asp?cid=26&nid=110577" TARGET="_blank">http://www.crash.net/uk/en/new...10577</A>

Vector
05-12-2005, 01:24 PM
The crash.net article say the Cup car (finally) gets a sequential gearbox! That can only mean a production version is (again, finally) near. <p>I love that Porsche lets anybody willing to simply "grab an order form" for a true race car like the GT3 Cups. I saw a 996 version at Laguna Seca that a weekend racer had just picked up. It was just like buying any other car only this one's interior was stripped and it was 100% sorted and ready for competition. Just a "plain" white car, ready to rock. Incredible!<p>I wish they offered a racer around the $40k level! I guess that's what Lotus Elises are for.

Seller Automotive
05-12-2005, 05:56 PM
Well the new 911 Turbo will have the DSG transmission as an option.. In such a purpose-built race car as the GT3.. I imagine it too will have a DSG option.

Speedstick
05-13-2005, 05:24 AM
I never liked the little vent below the hood. I just don't think it looks right, although I'm sure it's purposeful (I think it's to vent air from the front intakes?).<p>To me it makes the car looks like a grinning idiot or something.

the cheddar
05-13-2005, 03:20 PM
Same with me! Really spoils the cleanliness of the 997 update. I don't much care for wings either but I guess sacrifies must be made for this rareified level of performance. All the aero gunk does help on track day, without a doubt. And the DSG shifter will make this a scream.

DSC-OFF
06-29-2005, 02:15 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69017.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph68986-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69016-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69023-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69009-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p>PistonHeads has scooped these latest pictures of the forthcoming Porsche 997 GT3, which our sources say won't be released until summer 2006. The car in the shots is camouflaged only by black paint covering the additional air outlet at the rear.<p>Said to make some 400bhp, the GT3 looks very similar to the Aerokit, with one additional air outtake in the front (like the GT2) and two at the rear (similar but not identical to the Turbo's), centrally mounted exhaust like the GT3-Cup car, PCCB (ceramic) brakes.<p>We also hear that, prior to its release, the 997 Turbo will emerge in between January and March 2006, while the 997 Targa is on track for a similar launch window as the GT3.<p>Expected price for the GT3 in Germany is some 105,000-110,000 including 16 per cent VAT -- that's about 70,000-73,000.<p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=11126" TARGET="_blank">Pistonheads</A>

bolita
06-29-2005, 02:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69017.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph68986-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69016-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69023-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/11126/sgciph69009-L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/pic...L.jpg</A><p>PistonHeads has scooped these latest pictures of the forthcoming Porsche 997 GT3, which our sources say won't be released until summer 2006. The car in the shots is camouflaged only by black paint covering the additional air outlet at the rear.<p>Said to make some 400bhp, the GT3 looks very similar to the Aerokit, with one additional air outtake in the front (like the GT2) and two at the rear (similar but not identical to the Turbo's), centrally mounted exhaust like the GT3-Cup car, PCCB (ceramic) brakes.<p>We also hear that, prior to its release, the 997 Turbo will emerge in between January and March 2006, while the 997 Targa is on track for a similar launch window as the GT3.<p>Expected price for the GT3 in Germany is some 105,000-110,000 including 16 per cent VAT -- that's about 70,000-73,000.<p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=11126" TARGET="_blank">Pistonheads</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Those links are only showing the Piston HEads logo, correct? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
06-29-2005, 02:26 PM
not to me

Kemble
06-29-2005, 03:02 PM
link to article jesse posted<br><A HREF="http://pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=11126" TARGET="_blank">http://pistonheads.com/porsche...11126</A><br>

SELLER
06-29-2005, 09:59 PM
AWESOME looking car... that rear bumper looks Great.<p>Rear looks wide.. Could this car be using the new C4 body (2 inches wider in back)?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SELLER at 6:48 AM 6/30/2005</i>

DSC-OFF
11-29-2005, 08:57 AM
<A HREF="http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1817/gt37po.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1817/gt37po.jpg</A><br> <br>

bm88
12-23-2005, 04:27 AM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6051223.001" TARGET="_blank">GCF has undesguised pics.</A>

against the wall
12-23-2005, 01:29 PM
i like this much more than the turbo. cept this bodykit looks a bit ricey.

tobajara
12-23-2005, 02:03 PM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=1844" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=1844</A>

the future
12-23-2005, 05:03 PM
Somehow, this grille-in-the-grille reminds me of an alien:<p><A HREF="http://mitglied.lycos.de/vikingdesign/alien.jpg" TARGET="_blank">alien</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by freeezer at 5:39 AM 12/24/2005</i>

against the wall
12-23-2005, 07:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>freeezer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Somehow, this grille-in-the-grille reminds me of an alien:<p><A HREF="http://www.fantasymagazine.it/imgbank/NEWS/alien.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.fantasymagazine.it/...n.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>wow ur absolutely right. i see it too.

against the wall
01-06-2006, 02:05 PM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060106.002/pageview/photo/photo/Mini3/page/1/porsche/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s....html</A>

Ascariss
01-07-2006, 07:28 PM
Some more links with pictures:<p><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=12840" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/por...12840</A>

aphophis
01-28-2006, 12:07 AM
new spyshots<p><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=85580" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...85580</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=85581" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...85581</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=85582" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...85582</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=85583" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...85583</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?showtopic=97557" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97557</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 12:36 PM 1/28/2006</i>

Speedster S
01-28-2006, 12:32 AM
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against the wall
01-28-2006, 09:37 AM
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....suede.......... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">