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Santeno
03-07-2005, 10:16 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/JEEP-Wrangler_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Here is a rendition (no it is not an actual picture so refrain from making comments that assume it is) of what AMS believes the next Wrangler will look like. The rendering is based on comments that DCX has been making for the past few years.<p>There is a small article in german posted here:<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/78391" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/78391</A><p>Perhaps someone can translate. Also if anyone has any further info, please post. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:47 PM 3/7/2005</i>

RS
03-07-2005, 10:33 AM
<I>This is what I got out of it...</I><p><B>Sales will start in Fall (Autumn) of 2006 in the US. Both wheelbases will be available for Europe for the first time.</B><p>The new Wrangler generation sets the tradition of the model line distinctly forward with a [?"kerniger"? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> ]look, with more gound clearance, bigger wheels, and wider track. Wheelbase for the 2-door version is 2,413mm, while the <B>4-door</B> is 2,964 mm. both will be available in soft-top and hard-top.<p>It's not yet decided if the Wrangler based Gladiator concept will make production.

bolita
03-07-2005, 11:25 AM
The rendering seems accurate from all that has been said regarding the next generation Wrangler.<p>The interesting feature should be the removable panels of the the 2 door hard top version as it seems that the next Wrangler will not have a convertible version...due to US regulation regarding head protection. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmileo.gif" BORDER="0">

LoneWolf
03-07-2005, 10:21 PM
I seem to recall that chop's been around since shortly after the Rescue concept debut a couple of years ago.

swedefe
03-07-2005, 10:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... with a [?"kerniger"? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> ]look</TD></TR></TABLE><p>"Kern" equals "Core" -&gt; "Kerniger" in this context would translate to like "back to basics".<p>(As if the Wrangler ever deviated...)<p>Thats meine Pfenninge!<p><br>Swedefe

skoochythatone
03-08-2005, 02:17 AM
"kerniger" in that context means "rougher", "meaty"...basically "back to nature" with rougher design features..etc.

AM2
03-08-2005, 03:14 AM
I have a feeling the front end will look closer to the Gladiator Concept's because it looks more like a production Jeep.

Santeno
03-08-2005, 09:47 AM
Wouldn't a 4-door version of the wrangler be stepping on the liberty's toes?

knicks125
03-08-2005, 10:02 AM
not my cup of tea but it looks good...the rendition I mean <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
03-08-2005, 11:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wouldn't a 4-door version of the wrangler be stepping on the liberty's toes?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You'd think so. They should just keep it to two doors. A Wrangler isn't a Wrangler if it has more than two doors

Superfresa
03-08-2005, 02:35 PM
I'd say no it wouldn't, because the Liberty is now in the Compact 4X4 segment, whilst the wrangler would be in the extreme full sized 4X4s, competing with Defender 110 (remember, also new for 2007), Toyota Land Cruiser (working on retro style toughy) and Hummer H2

LoneWolf
03-08-2005, 04:07 PM
How does a vehicle with a 93 - 100 inch wheelbase compete in a "full-size" segment with the H2?

Redline
03-08-2005, 04:46 PM
I guess in off-roadability. I just hope this new one isn't as rediculously overpriced as the current one is.

Superfresa
03-08-2005, 06:19 PM
Yes in offroad, and seating capacity, and versatility, it outperforms the crappy H2<p>*edit* I'm assuming the LWB is a 5 door wagon... ???

bolita
03-09-2005, 08:14 AM
Even though size-wise and powertrain wise the 4 door Wrangler will be almost Identical to the Liberty/Cherokee, I am certain that the 4 door Wrangler is more guided towards overseas markets which want a more aggressive and true 4x4 versus a compact SUV which from what I have been reading, is not a rugged and durable as the first Cherokee...<p>Now, is the next Wrangler bows with IFS...then its the same thing as the KJ Liberty...

MontrealMustang
03-09-2005, 06:39 PM
Hopefully Jeep will do three things right with this:<p>#1 Offer it in two and four door versions. I don't like 4 doors, but they sell well and the boost in sales will keep the Wrangler alive for a long time. Don't forget the extended 2 door unlimited either. That one's rather nice.<p>#2 Make it a true off roader. That means manual trannies available in every model, even the luxury ones, and solid axles front and back with manually engaging 4WD. Also, for the love of GOD make it square. If I wanted to drive around a shapeless blob I'd buy a Toyota.<p>#3 Offer it with the Liberty's Diesel. It'd be nice to have a torquey and economical engine for once.

RS
03-09-2005, 11:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hopefully Jeep will do three things right with this:<p>#1 Offer it in two and four door versions. I don't like 4 doors, but they sell well and the boost in sales will keep the Wrangler alive for a long time. Don't forget the extended 2 door unlimited either. That one's rather nice.<p>#2 Make it a true off roader. That means manual trannies available in every model, even the luxury ones, and solid axles front and back with manually engaging 4WD. Also, for the love of GOD make it square. If I wanted to drive around a shapeless blob I'd buy a Toyota.<p>#3 Offer it with the Liberty's Diesel. It'd be nice to have a torquey and economical engine for once.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I had bad experiences with the manually engaging 4wd coz the little monitor says that it's in 2wd mode when it actually isn't, but stayed in the PART TIME 4WD mode. So i had to force that lever some more to finally get it into 2wd mode. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> Sucked that I could never be sure when I switch back to 2wd.<br>And that PART TIME mode is useless crap, FULL TIME mode for me only <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
03-10-2005, 02:16 AM
Just a quick remark: Since when does the Hummer H2 count as "true off-roader"? That thing is too big, too ugly and only drive by rich kids or guys with compensation problems..if you know what I mean.. ;-) Sorry if there are any H2 owners in this forum..dont take it personal

MontrealMustang
03-10-2005, 08:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I had bad experiences with the manually engaging 4wd coz the little monitor says that it's in 2wd mode when it actually isn't, but stayed in the PART TIME 4WD mode. So i had to force that lever some more to finally get it into 2wd mode. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> Sucked that I could never be sure when I switch back to 2wd.<br>And that PART TIME mode is useless crap, FULL TIME mode for me only <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, I meant the manual kind of 4WD where you have to stop and get out of the truck and twist the hubs on hehehe. The good ol' days. Full time 4WD just uses up front differential parts and ups the fuel mileage.

Santeno
03-10-2005, 09:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just a quick remark: Since when does the Hummer H2 count as "true off-roader"? That thing is too big, too ugly and only drive by rich kids or guys with compensation problems..if you know what I mean.. ;-) Sorry if there are any H2 owners in this forum..dont take it personal</TD></TR></TABLE><br>well skoochy, thankfully looks and the owner's physical attributes don't reflect on the vehicle's abilities. It's been pretty well documented tht the H2 is actually quite capable off road, but in a different manner than jeep products (especially CJ's). Jeeps are better suited to tighter areas that require manuevering and in which lighter weight is a benefit. Hummers as a whole are better suited to more open field off roading and firmer surfaces.

bolita
03-10-2005, 11:49 AM
So true, Hummers are known for "sinking" in sand and other soft surfaces when off road... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
03-10-2005, 12:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It's been pretty well documented tht the H2 is actually quite capable off road, but in a different manner than jeep products (especially CJ's). Jeeps are better suited to tighter areas that require manuevering and in which lighter weight is a benefit. Hummers as a whole are better suited to more open field off roading and firmer surfaces.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I guess the H3 should address the size and weight problem of the H2... <br>

Superfresa
03-10-2005, 06:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> Full time 4WD just uses up front differential parts and ups the fuel mileage.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that shows that Permanent 4X4 systems increases the wear of mechanical components or uses up more fuel. Absolutely none. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I guess the H3 should address the size and weight problem of the H2... <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not really. It's still way too big, with too much wheelbase which makes it quite clumsy, and now there's not even Hummers suspension suggesting It will perform like its bigger brothers on the open fields. IMO only H1 has something to claim in offroadability. The H2 COULD be decent, but only if compared to SUVs that weren't intended to offroad. Now, as for the H3, Hummer will have to stop claiming they are an offroading brand <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
03-10-2005, 07:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> Full time 4WD just uses up front differential parts and ups the fuel mileage.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>But Part Time increases wear on the driveline, not Full Time coz Part Time locks the diffs and all wheels move at the exact same speed and therefore it is only recommended on snow and mud according to Jeep's website. Anyway, what is differnece between the two and why do you think Full Time is so useless as you made it sound. Can you please explain this better to me?

MontrealMustang
03-11-2005, 06:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that shows that Permanent 4X4 systems increases the wear of mechanical components or uses up more fuel. Absolutely none. <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>One word: Friction<p>Anything made of gears wheters it's a transmission or differential creates as much friction as it does forward movement when power is applied. That's why the car slows down when you let go of the gas. When gears are constantly engaged it creates a slight amount of friction. Not much, but enough to rob the car of a few mpg. The extra weight doesn't help either.<p>As for proof, that's easy. Just look at the fuel economy stats for a 4x4 and a RWD truck. Same engine, same transmission, different mpgs. I've driven old manually engining off road trucks. The fuel economy drops a hell of a lot when the 4X4 system is on. Granted, it was an old mechanical system. Nothing like the electronically controlled systems of today, but the point is still there. The more gears you have engaged, the more inertia you lose when you let go of the gas.

MontrealMustang
03-11-2005, 06:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>But Part Time increases wear on the driveline, not Full Time coz Part Time locks the diffs and all wheels move at the exact same speed and therefore it is only recommended on snow and mud according to Jeep's website. Anyway, what is differnece between the two and why do you think Full Time is so useless as you made it sound. Can you please explain this better to me?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Full time isn't useless by any means, it's just that I don't like something I don't control. I don't like the idea of having power applied only to the spinning wheel. Sometimes I want power to all wheels at the same time regardless of traction. I just hate it when the car/truck is stuck in the mud or snow and it has one wheel on perfectly dry ground yet won't turn because the stupid AWD system is sending power to the wheel that isn't even touching the ground and to another that's on ice. It drives me crazy.<p>There's also the fact that these new fangled systems are uber complex and if they break they need a qualified mechanic to fix. It's not like the old days where your rear diff would snap and all you had to do is remove the driveshaft and drive home with the 4WD engaged. Making the truck into a jobbed FWD vehicle for a few hours.<p>But the point is taken, I'll try and keep an open mind.

Charger
03-29-2005, 08:00 AM
Heres some spy pics<br><A HREF="http://www.onetomany.com/jeepnews/news_images/2005/2007Wrangler_400x158.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.onetomany.com/jeepn...8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.onetomany.com/jeepnews/news_images/2005/2007Wrangler2_400x300.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.onetomany.com/jeepn...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.onetomany.com/jeepnews/news_images/2005/2007Wrangler3_400x300.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.onetomany.com/jeepn...0.jpg</A>

Redline
03-29-2005, 10:24 AM
I'm hoping those are mules, because those just look like the Unlimited of this generation.

Nodnarb
03-29-2005, 10:36 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.jeep.com/wrangler/img/photo_unlimited_2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><A HREF="http://www.onetomany.com/jeepnews/news_images/2005/2007Wrangler_400x158.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.onetomany.com/jeepn...8.jpg</A><p>Definately a mule. Look at the wheelbase on the mule. The wheel arch is more centered under the window on the current Unlimited. On the mule it is near the back.<p>EDIT: Photo from Jeep.com<br>

Charger
03-29-2005, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://www.jeep.com/wrangler/img/photo_unlimited_2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><A HREF="http://www.onetomany.com/jeepnews/news_images/2005/2007Wrangler_400x158.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.onetomany.com/jeepn...8.jpg</A><p>Definately a mule. Look at the wheelbase on the mule. The wheel arch is more centered under the window on the current Unlimited. On the mule it is near the back.<p>EDIT: Photo from Jeep.com</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I forgot to mention that it is a 4 door Wrangler

bolita
03-29-2005, 12:58 PM
Seems to be body on frame which is a good thing in mantaining its "Jeeper" heritage! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

jro
03-30-2005, 10:19 AM
What ever happened to the Dakar concept? it was an extended wheelbase wrangler that had 4 doors. i always thought it looked good.

Santeno
03-30-2005, 11:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jro</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What ever happened to the Dakar concept? it was an extended wheelbase wrangler that had 4 doors. i always thought it looked good.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It became a spec package for the Liberty, the renegade:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/rp/images/03renegade_4-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>The liberty itself is based on the dakar's outward design with the Jeepster's front and interior design.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 2:47 PM 3/30/2005</i>

Speedster S
04-01-2005, 05:27 PM
Why are they making a 4-door Wrangler, Wont it cut in Liberty sales?

Hornbag
04-01-2005, 05:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wouldn't a 4-door version of the wrangler be stepping on the liberty's toes?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wasnt there a section in news/rumors section about the Liberty being discontinued to being replaced by a 4 door Wrangler?

LoneWolf
04-01-2005, 06:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Wasnt there a section in news/rumors section about the Liberty being discontinued to being replaced by a 4 door Wrangler?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup. <p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14409" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14409</A>

Hornbag
04-01-2005, 07:08 PM
So there ya go, it all makes sence now!

Lakeshow23
04-03-2005, 09:59 PM
I really like the look of that 2007 Jeep. It looks more attractive than today's Jeep because they made the '07 one less cute (which is a good thing). To me, the current Jeep is too cute, but because the '07 will be less cute, it will be more attractive because 'too cute' of a Jeep looks less attractive. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
04-05-2005, 07:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Not much, but enough to rob the car of a few mpg. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The extra friction in a modern 4X4 system is frankly so little it's not worth mentioning. I think the problem is you are talking about older 4X4 systems, or those not designed for 4X4 to be engaged everywhere, such as electronically engageable 4X4, In which case I'd agree, but not with Permanent 4X4 (as used in Land Rovers, Hummers, etc, and for that matter, as used in Porsche Audis and Subarus too...)<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The extra weight doesn't help either.<br></TD></TR></TABLE> What extra weight? This only applies if we're comparing a 4X4, whatever type, to a 2WD vehicle, but there are no weight differences necessarily throughout different 4X4 systems (You still have the whole front driveshaft, engaged or not, but you have it, so why would it weight more or less)?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>As for proof, that's easy. Just look at the fuel economy stats for a 4x4 and a RWD truck. <br></TD></TR></TABLE> Lets stop comparing weight issues between a 4X4 and a RWD. There is no point. If you are proving me something prove to me how a permanent 4X4 system is heavier than a traditional 4X4 system<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Same engine, same transmission, different mpgs. I've driven old manually engining off road trucks. The fuel economy drops a hell of a lot when the 4X4 system is on. </TD></TR></TABLE> Yes of course it drops a lot, it wasn't intended to go in 4X4 mode all the time. What's this got to do with Permanent 4X4 systems?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Granted, it was an old mechanical system. Nothing like the electronically controlled systems of today, but the point is still there. The more gears you have engaged, the more inertia you lose when you let go of the gas.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not really, modern 4X4 systems have dealt with that. If fuel consumption and weight went up, why the hell would Sports cars use it (Thinking Audi TT Quattro, Porsche 911 carrera 4, Subaru Impreza WRX-STi, and so on...)<p><br>I think the problem is you are arguing that part time 4X4 systems spend more gas when in 4X4 mode, and that RWD cars are lighter, but you aren't comparing Permanent 4X4 to Part time or electronically engaged, as I did before...

Superfresa
04-05-2005, 07:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MontrealMustang</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Full time isn't useless by any means, it's just that I don't like something I don't control. I don't like the idea of having power applied only to the spinning wheel. Sometimes I want power to all wheels at the same time regardless of traction. I just hate it when the car/truck is stuck in the mud or snow and it has one wheel on perfectly dry ground yet won't turn because the stupid AWD system is sending power to the wheel that isn't even touching the ground and to another that's on ice. It drives me crazy.<p></TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Another thing, I think that now you are talking about those 4X4 Systems that engage whenever the <B>CAR</B> decides to, not the one that the 4X4 <B>IS</B> on all the time. The sending power to wheels in traction only is a differential lock, that is electronical in some cars, therefore what you described may occur. But not necesarily it's a feature of a permanent 4X4 system.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>There's also the fact that these new fangled systems are uber complex and if they break they need a qualified mechanic to fix. It's not like the old days where your rear diff would snap and all you had to do is remove the driveshaft and drive home with the 4WD engaged. Making the truck into a jobbed FWD vehicle for a few hours. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well it's not that much more complex. It's worse when its electronical, THEN what do you do... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
04-27-2005, 12:34 PM
<A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/04/27/drive/dr27-SneakPeek-0405n_04-27-2005_UG5KCPH.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/pix/200...H.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Autosinsider.com Sneak Peek<p>2007 Jeep Wrangler<p>By Paul Lienert / Special to The Detroit News<br>A new addition to the Jeep family will be a four-door variant of the Wrangler when that model is redesigned in mid-2006.<p>The long-wheelbase Wrangler four-door will be considerably wider and longer than today's Wrangler, with exterior styling said to resemble that of the Jeep Gladiator concept truck unveiled in January at the Detroit auto show. Insiders say both Laredo and Rubicon trim levels will be offered.<p>The next-generation Wrangler will become upscale, with improved safety features and more content. Engine choices will include a 2.4-liter four-cylinder and a 3.7-liter V-6. Rumored for the four-door Wrangler only is an optional 5.7-liter Hemi V-8. Jeep reportedly will offer buyers a choice of five-speed automatic and six-speed manual transmissions. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: detnews

Superfresa
04-27-2005, 01:27 PM
Wow, THOSE are small wheels...<br>

FordRules
04-27-2005, 09:10 PM
extreme off roader category eg.wrangler,lr3,hummer h1,h2,h3, h4(mabye) ide put in any land rover

FordRules
04-27-2005, 09:11 PM
HEMI IN A WRANGLER LOL HAHAHAHHA sure

Santeno
04-28-2005, 07:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ford_gt_rules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HEMI IN A WRANGLER LOL HAHAHAHHA sure</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Why is that funny? If you can gear it for Large amounts of low-end torque, and substantial amounts of torque further up the rev line, I fail to see why it would be a bad idea. That said, The CJ's are relatively light, so engine size might be an issue (is there a 6 cyl hemmi?). Don't forget, That little lable sells a lot of cars these days. while it might not make perfomance truly better, it will get the bigger is better crowd into the dealership.

bolita
04-28-2005, 11:32 AM
Plus, CJs had V8s in the 70s.... Why not now?

Dodger
04-28-2005, 12:19 PM
Even though this thing would sell if it had a HEMI, I think the 3.7L is more than adequate- as long as there isn't a huge jump in curb weight.<p>I think DCX should come out with a HEMI V6. I am not sure if they are in a solid enough place financially (even though they are getting there) to do it right now but it would be nice to see.

Uberwagon
04-29-2005, 02:55 PM
Yes, I recall my high school parking lot being filled with V8 Wranglers. The old Buick V6's were favored by the hardcore off-roaders in CJ-5's but later ones were all V8's I think. In today's power-hungry market a Hemi makes perfect sense, especially on the four-door version. I suspect that this model will see a large jump in curb weight too (much-needed safety systems) so it's a safe bet. Detroit News doesn't publish without some support either.

ricerammer
04-29-2005, 04:45 PM
4 door Wrangler is sacrilidge. Why is Jeep doing this? Oh to get money. That's right.

the cheddar
04-29-2005, 05:00 PM
The car business is, first and foremost, a business.<p>But even still, the market is all about 4-doors now. Aging population, ease of use, people carry more stuff now, etc. There's no big sacrifice with having a four door so, uh, why not?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

syclone
05-01-2005, 11:46 AM
simple - you dont need 4 doors on a wrangler - if you are sitting in back you put donw the top and jump over the edge

Monkey
05-02-2005, 05:36 AM
As a Wrangler owner, I'd love to see a 4 door, so I can have my cake and eat it too. (Fun+family sized)

Vector
05-02-2005, 04:22 PM
I've kind of always wanted a four door Wrangler myself. Getting in and out of the back of those things sucks! Besides, how many four-door convertibles are there on the market? Now THAT is something I'd pay extra for. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Agree with the post about the market. People want four-doors and there's not much to give up. That's the "utility" part of SUV, after all. But as long as there's a two-door for the traditionalists and real off-roaders, it'd be cool.

Superfresa
05-02-2005, 04:50 PM
A 4 door Wrangler is definitely a good idea. If you don't need the extra 2 doors, get the traditional swb 2 door car, but the 4 door vehicle opens the wrangler to a broader market. If I had the money for a new 4X4 I wouldn't consider a 2 door wrangler, but I'd have a close look at the 4 door.<p>About the HEMI, DCX Is getting trully ridiculous with that stuff. I mean, the Grand Cherokee was a bit over the top with a 5.9 HEMI, but it was ok. Now, one of THESE things with a HEMI, that is plain ridiculous, It hardly needs more than the 3.7 liter...<p>Of course they had V8s back then, but in those days the V8s were relatively low performers compared to a modern 4-6 Cylinder vehicle. A modern V8 would be overpowering a Jeep (unless it was a 4 or 4.2 liter V8 not a 5.9 HEMI).

Charger
05-24-2005, 12:32 PM
<A HREF="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/carrera4/wrangler_01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albu...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/carrera4/wrangler_02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albu...2.jpg</A>

Monkey
05-24-2005, 12:59 PM
Looks like the tail-lights might be flush...

SELLER
05-24-2005, 01:50 PM
I dont care if its a $5,000 option.. PLEASE make a push button retractable soft top.

Superfresa
05-24-2005, 04:44 PM
Looks like an ordinary Wrangler to me.... which is cool though, they shouldn't change the aspect of it too much - what they should do is update it mechanically and make it grow in size a bit, so they're doing what they gotta do.

Uberwagon
05-24-2005, 04:52 PM
I don't know. I think the Wrangler is becoming an anachronism; It's losing its relevance to Hummer and all the SUV pretenders. Sure, the Wrangler is still the affordable true off roader. But with all the great concepts that Jeep keeps teasing us with at car shows but NEVER actually building, I think the Wrangler needs a conceptual update. <p>These shots don't indicate that's happening, IMO. Perhaps the old formula still works? We'll see.

Redline
05-24-2005, 05:03 PM
A power retractable top on one of these would be a mechanical nightmare. If it was feasable they would probably look into it, but simply put, it really isn't. As for changing the concept of the Wrangler, I doubt it will happen. As long as Jeep can build cheap little boxes and sell them for a nice big profit, they'll keep doing it. No need to make it complicated and pricey to build when people will still buy the cheap to build ones. Too bad really, because the rip-off pricing is the only thing that really turns me away from a Wrangler.

LoneWolf
05-27-2005, 01:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>... That said, The CJ's are relatively light, so engine size might be an issue (is there a 6 cyl hemmi?) ...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>FYI, the current-generation Wrangler is the TJ, not CJ. TJs replaced the YJ (square headlights) in '97. YJs replaced the CJs (in '84/'85 I believe). Also, for a time, the original CJs were available with a factory V8.<p>As for the new spy shots. It's looking good, but I do hope the taillamps aren't flush.

boston
05-28-2005, 01:57 AM
Those last two shots are of two different prototype/mules unless Jeep changed the wheels/tires from BFG MT to Goodyears.

Charger
05-30-2005, 10:27 AM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_07_Jeep_Wrangler.S178.A8684.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A>

StevenZoz
08-18-2005, 12:31 PM
<A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Jeep/100534620/20026745-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Jeep/100534620/20026747-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A>

FordRules
08-18-2005, 12:50 PM
hey its the 4-door, look cool.This will be exciting to see how these turn out.

LEXUS FAN!
08-18-2005, 01:06 PM
that is the Jeep Rescue not the Jeep Wrangler

bolita
08-18-2005, 01:49 PM
But there will be a 4 door Wrangler as well, right? So Jeep will have the Rescue AND 4 door Wrangler?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

HEMI x 3
08-18-2005, 02:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that is the Jeep Rescue not the Jeep Wrangler</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is not the Rescue unless they are building it on a smaller platform. The Rescue show vehicle was built off a heavily modified Dodge Ram 2500 platform using HD axles with 8 lug wheels.

SHEPO
08-18-2005, 02:19 PM
no, that's definitely the wrangler. look closely under the camo...unless the 4-door is gonna be called the rescue, that's a wrangler for sure.

Uberwagon
08-18-2005, 02:30 PM
Rescue was a concept vehicle. This is the four-door Wrangler, probably incorporating design elements from the concept. Perhaps they'll give separate names to the two and four-doors?<p>Looks excellent already! Anyone know when this is going to be revealed?

FordRules
08-18-2005, 02:57 PM
I dont know.2006 NAIAS probly.

Dodger
08-18-2005, 03:19 PM
I am a huge Jeep fan and really hope this wehicle turns out. It is hard to tell what is under the camo, but I hope it is good- with the camo on though, it looks like an ancient military vehicle

StevenZoz
08-18-2005, 03:58 PM
Probably will debut at NYIAS '06 because of the vendor jeep has there every year [camp jeep]. thats where the current version grand cherokee and commander debuted also.

synthesis
08-21-2005, 12:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am a huge Jeep fan and really hope this wehicle turns out. It is hard to tell what is under the camo, but I hope it is good- with the camo on though, it looks like an ancient military vehicle</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well it looks good with camo, which is more than anyone could ever say about the commander, which looked ill proportioned even with camo. <p>so we already know this 4 door wrangler will have good proportions, and i'm willing to guess that jeep will also nail the detailing. they will fare much better in creating a vehicle with true hardcore looks than trying to combine tough with luxury as with the commander.

StevenZoz
08-26-2005, 07:57 PM
<A HREF="http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy8.jpg</A><p>

Nodnarb
08-26-2005, 08:02 PM
Looks like Jeep is trying to get a family resemblance going on the inside too. I know its too early to tell, but from what we can see, it looks like a tiny Commander dash board. Or at least there is a resemblence on the passenger side from what we can see.

LoneWolf
08-28-2005, 09:27 PM
Okay, so I see:<br>1. Body-color sideview mirrors<br>2. No "dip" in door (as in current soft-top version)<br>3. Looks as though rear bumper MAY be more integrated into body than in previous versions<br>4. Looks like fold-down windshield may be history<br>5. Round side-marker lamps from Rescue and Gladiator concepts (Yuck!)<br>6. Interior trim looks considerably more upscale :-(<p>I'm on pins and needles waiting for this unveiling!

Monkey
08-29-2005, 06:32 AM
All Wranglers have had black mirrors, so it is not evident they will be body colored. The dip in the door is only there on the soft window models. The ones with full doors with roll down windows don't have a dip. I can't see completely if the fold down windsheild may be gone, but I still see a break and bolts on the a pillar, which leads me to think it is still there.

Nodnarb
08-29-2005, 07:17 AM
I am almost willing to wager the fold down windshield will still be there. That has been a hallmark of the Wrangler/CJ lineup since the Jeep was invented.

SELLER
08-29-2005, 01:21 PM
As long as the 4-door has a Soft Top option, it will be hot.<p>I'd love to see a 5.7 Hemi 4-door Soft Top Wrangler.. That would rule.

LoneWolf
08-29-2005, 10:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Monkey</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All Wranglers have had black mirrors, so it is not evident they will be body colored. The dip in the door is only there on the soft window models. The ones with full doors with roll down windows don't have a dip. I can't see completely if the fold down windsheild may be gone, but I still see a break and bolts on the a pillar, which leads me to think it is still there.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're right that all Wranglers have had black mirrors. I was referring to this picture: <A HREF="http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://colorado4wheel.com/images/spy6.jpg</A><p>The front of the mirror appears to be a navy blue color, which matches the A-pillar in the photo -- unless I'm color blind! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

zluster
08-30-2005, 08:55 AM
Yes the foldown windshield is still there, as are other options, there are details in a writeup, along with some new photos that show the front tow hook, and the rear muffler/hitch/shock mount.<p><A HREF="http://www.colorado4wheel.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.colorado4wheel.com</A><p>

synthesis
08-31-2005, 12:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SELLER</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As long as the 4-door has a Soft Top option, it will be hot.<p>I'd love to see a 5.7 Hemi 4-door Soft Top Wrangler.. That would rule.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>except that it would be totally useless and against all that hardcore jeep vehicles stand for.<p>alot of people just don't understand... too much output is a BAD thing when taking a vehicle into serious off-road conditions.

SELLER
08-31-2005, 01:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>except that it would be totally useless and against all that hardcore jeep vehicles stand for.<p>alot of people just don't understand... too much output is a BAD thing when taking a vehicle into serious off-road conditions. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah but I want enough power to haul my 37's down the highway.. and on the beach.

LEXUS FAN!
08-31-2005, 10:56 PM
<A HREF="http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05august/jeep_jkspy1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.rockcrawler.com/fea...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05august/jeep_jkspy2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.rockcrawler.com/fea...2.jpg</A>

Nodnarb
09-01-2005, 08:07 AM
Can't really tell much from these new pics, but I guess having more to look at is always better.

FordRules
09-01-2005, 11:45 AM
THey look like hummers now! A small H1.Not civillianized like a H3

synthesis
09-01-2005, 06:23 PM
they look great. i'm very impressed by what i have seen thus far. to me, this is the quintessential 4 door vehicle that jeep should have built decades ago.

zluster
09-01-2005, 06:39 PM
Second that bigtime, the main reason I cant justifiy a wrangler is because I "need" the space in my XJ, im hoping this thing can be the replacedment for my XJ in about ten years(when I can afford one)<p>And jeep did make a prototype 4dr TJ, complete with a soft top and everything, I remember seeing it back in about 96 in something like popular mechanics......and I am not talking about the safari or whatever it was that was based on a TJ but looked alot like a liberty.

djDaemon
09-06-2005, 05:58 AM
I think the concept you're speaking of is the Dakkar, and it was at the NAIAS around 97-99-ish. It was a four-door Wrangler-esque (and also heavily influenced by land rover) concept that was absolutely breathtakingly awesome. Full-on Jeep and big enough to bring friends.<p>Edit: [see below] Thanks for finding those pics!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by djDaemon at 6:42 AM 9/6/2005</i>

StevenZoz
09-06-2005, 06:30 AM
1997 jeep dakar concept:<p><A HREF="http://www.mojeepin.com/images/concept/dakar1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mojeepin.com/images/concept/dakar1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.mojeepin.com/images/concept/dakar6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mojeepin.com/images/concept/dakar6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-years-Jeep/Concept-1997-Jeep-Dakar-BIG.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.4x4review.com/featu...G.jpg</A>

galv
09-06-2005, 12:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LoneWolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm on pins and needles waiting for this unveiling!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Me too. I hope they learn a lesson from Mazda with the Miata by not screwing up the orignial formula. (PLEASE dont chnage the name)<br>They should continue building the current Wrangler. (Wrangler Classic?) <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by futuredriver at 5:26 PM 9/6/2005</i>

LoneWolf
09-06-2005, 03:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>futuredriver</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>They should continue building the current Wrangler. (Wrangler Classic?) </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmmm ... Wanna go that route, how about a modernized CJ-7? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

dodgenitro
09-08-2005, 02:14 PM
Nice. I Like The Jeep Liberty Rims And Concept Jeep Styling.

Nodnarb
09-08-2005, 03:13 PM
Uhh, why should they continue with the current Wrangler? It is a bit outdated now, don't you think. That's why they're replacing it. They've never kept any of the previous ones in production when the new ones came out as far as I know. The only one they've done that with is the Cherokee stayed in production a year after the Liberty went on sale. That's why the Liberty did not inhereit the Cherokee name, IIRC.

Dodger
09-08-2005, 03:17 PM
Maybe for those few who think the new Wrangler won't be a 'real' Wrangler. I highly doubt they will though.

djDaemon
09-09-2005, 03:59 AM
If someone doesn't think this new Wrangler is a 'real' Wrangler, they aren't worthy and are better off buying a Sidekick. The true Jeep followers will do their homework, and will surely learn that this new Jeep is indeed all Wrangler.

Nodnarb
09-09-2005, 04:29 AM
Since when did people need to be deemed "worthy" to buy a car? Or when did they need to be a true Jeep follower to have an opinion for or against the Wrangler? There are plenty of true followers who don't like the Liberty, but still don't dispute it's Jeepness. And of all vehicles, why the Sidekick? It is actually rather highly sought after if you want a competent off roader, but would rather spend more beefing it up than you do on the car.

djDaemon
09-09-2005, 05:01 AM
The point that I am making is that the new Wrangler will be every bit as capable (if not, more so) as the current gen, and there would be no need to continue the current one. I think some people have a misconception that this new one will be watered down or altered significantly, which would really surprise me... and I'm talking about "waking up with your head sewn to the carpet" kind of surprised.<p>I think one of my concerns is that not much is known about this new Wrangler, and those who are very familiar with the brand aren't worried about the design decisions, as they have a certain amount of trust in the Jeep engineers. I think some people don't realize how much thought Jeep has put into this redesign. This redesign has been in the works for several years, 2 or 3 times as long as most vehicle (re)design projects. The Wrangler has a following like no other vehicle, from people who are very pleased with the current formula and are very hesitant when it comes to changes. Remember the square headlight fiasco? Jeep was almost attacked by a rogue army of Jeepsters for that one...<p>As for the Liberty comment - Jeep wishes it were that easy for the Wrangler redesign. It was easy to forgive some of the questionable decisions made because this was a whole new vehicle. The new name helped ease that transition as well. The risk here is that if Jeep were to change certain elements without the most careful scrutinization, they would alienate a vast majority of their core group of buyers, who are among the most faithful in the world.<p>And, yes, the Sidekick is indeed a decent off-roader... that was my point. Do you think a former (alienated by the new design - hypothetically) Wrangler owner is gonna run off and buy a Metro?

Nodnarb
09-09-2005, 08:44 AM
I agree with what you are saying. Heck, I'm the one that raised the question of why keep the old Wrangler around. I have faith in Jeep to get this right. Just the wording of you last post had an aire of arrogance and superiority to it with the "worthy" and "true followers," so I just wanted some clarification. Thanks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

djDaemon
09-09-2005, 12:14 PM
Perhaps I should have been more careful in my wording... I have a bad habit of that! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I was not referring to any particular person in this thread, but making a statement about the public in general. I think that some people (who don't follow Jeep that closely) are worried about the new Wrangler, and there's no need for that... at least not yet, anyway! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

zluster
09-09-2005, 10:03 PM
I do not think the dakkar was what I was talking about, I remember seeing it with a soft top like the TJ has. But then again, this was 9 years ago and I have done some very heavy drinking since.

StevenZoz
10-14-2005, 10:23 PM
<A HREF="http://motortrend.com/future/spied/112_0509_spy_jeep_l.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://motortrend.com/future/s...l.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stevenzoz at 8:43 PM 10/27/2005</i>

dodgenitro
10-27-2005, 04:59 PM
A Jeep Wrangler With Larger Tires, Liberty CRD./Sport Rims.

synthesis
10-28-2005, 10:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dodgenitro</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A Jeep Wrangler With Larger Tires, Liberty CRD./Sport Rims.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok, and? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

FordRules
10-31-2005, 11:29 PM
Im excited to see this!

ricerammer
11-16-2005, 08:40 PM
nope wheels/tires from a 1999 to 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee

Charger
12-15-2005, 07:39 AM
Jeep Wrangler 4-door. Wow, just that little part we can see it looks fantastic. Cant wait to see the rest.<br><A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0030" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0030</A>

bolita
12-15-2005, 07:51 AM
OK, now we're talking! This is something Jeep should have built years ago (when they should the Sahara Concept). I am sure it will be shown at the NAIAS and I cant wait!!

Monkey
12-15-2005, 07:53 AM
Not sure I like the integrated bumpers...

jro
12-15-2005, 08:43 AM
by the way, i love their caption for that photo!

StevenZoz
12-15-2005, 01:45 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> that looks really nice! esp in that color. ahhh i cant wait to see the finished product

against the wall
12-15-2005, 01:50 PM
hmmm, if it has a fold-down windshield, maybe its a 4 door convertible...

Miyka'el
12-15-2005, 02:41 PM
What's Jeep's justification on bringing a 4-door Wrangler to the market while they still offer the Liberty? With the Compass taking the compact car-based slot, it would seem to me that this thing strongly overlaps the Liberty, and that the former could severely cannibalize the latter's sales -- it's certainly going to look cooler.... <br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So, I guess I'm basically asking: what are they going to do to the Liberty to keep it viable? Just curious.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike

against the wall
12-15-2005, 03:05 PM
the liberty reminds me of a kind of road jeep. not the kind of off-road that the gc and the wrangler are. this looks like its ready for off-roading. plus it has all the features u cant really use on the street ( removable windshield, removable roof panels, hopefully removeable doors). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

IcedG35
12-15-2005, 06:40 PM
that spy pic makes me think this is gunna look a lot like the H3, but better

Nodnarb
12-15-2005, 09:06 PM
The door-handles really jumped out to me. This is the first major change to those (on the Wrangler/Wrangler like vehicles) since the CJ's of the 70's.

Charger
12-15-2005, 09:37 PM
TCC said expect this at New York and maybe the Cherokee name.

Chris_Doane
12-15-2005, 10:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The door-handles really jumped out to me. This is the first major change to those (on the Wrangler/Wrangler like vehicles) since the CJ's of the 70's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep...same handles as the Nitro.

JBlair
12-15-2005, 10:47 PM
Anyone else notice on that mule that there seems to be a hinge at the base of the windshield? If you look closely, you can see two bolts near the bottom.

synthesis
12-15-2005, 11:18 PM
Looks perfect. I can't wait. Finally a real off road vehicle to kick the crap out of the H3.

GoLeafsGO
12-16-2005, 12:08 PM
So a few questions. First, is the classic 2 door wrangler still going to be made? If so, will it be redesigned and look like this? Also, is this a 4 door on the wrangler platform or a jeepized nitro? or is that going to be the same thing?

Chris_Doane
12-16-2005, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GoLeafsGO</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So a few questions. First, is the classic 2 door wrangler still going to be made? If so, will it be redesigned and look like this? Also, is this a 4 door on the wrangler platform or a jeepized nitro? or is that going to be the same thing?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>A redesigned 2 door will debut in Detroit. I would expect the design to be pretty similar. The 2 and 4 door are on the Wrangler platform.

Monkey
12-16-2005, 01:01 PM
actually the Nitro is a Dogde-ized Jeep. (Liberty platform)

against the wall
12-16-2005, 01:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone else notice on that mule that there seems to be a hinge at the base of the windshield? If you look closely, you can see two bolts near the bottom.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats why i made my comment about the fold-down windshield, cuz i saw the bolts.

Redline
12-16-2005, 02:29 PM
It looks a little Commander-ish in the roofline/windshield, but at least it isn't getting the G-class treatmeant. It is nice to see that it's clearly going to at least look like its worth the asking price.

Chicho
12-22-2005, 05:54 AM
I don't know if this has been post before so:<p><A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0030" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0030</A>

LoneWolf
12-22-2005, 04:34 PM
Looks OK. The angle on the bottom of the doors reminds me of the Hummers, and I HATE that the front bumber rises to meet the fender. Hopefully the 2-door Wrangler won't be like that.

Superfresa
12-22-2005, 04:55 PM
If the gap between bumper and fenders is left, you lose about 1mpg due to wind to tire lack of aerodinamic efficiency.<p>This Jeep looks awesome! Finally a practical offroader from Jeep!

LoneWolf
12-23-2005, 09:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the gap between bumper and fenders is left, you lose about 1mpg due to wind to tire lack of aerodinamic efficiency.<p>This Jeep looks awesome! Finally a practical offroader from Jeep!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you want a 'practical' Jeep, buy a Liberty, Grand Cherokee or Commander. The CJ/Wrangler has flown in the face of convention, progress, etc. since its inception. That aspect of its personality shouldn't change in my opinion.

DSC-OFF
01-03-2006, 02:52 PM
<A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/10/heft_150.126229.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...9.jpg</A><p>EDIT: <A HREF="http://webabo24.de/Abopflege/titel-bilder/ams_180x236.jpg" TARGET="_blank">slightly larger photo</A><p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/auto_motor_und_sport_heft_2_2006.99914.htm" TARGET="_blank">AMS</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by jesse at 11:23 AM 1/4/2006</i>

bolita
01-03-2006, 03:47 PM
Too bad the pix are so small you cant see anything!

Gian86
01-03-2006, 05:49 PM
Ohh damn!!!! Small pic, i guess it's real then. <br>Jeep Wrangler rocks!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
01-03-2006, 05:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LoneWolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>If you want a 'practical' Jeep, buy a Liberty, Grand Cherokee or Commander. The CJ/Wrangler has flown in the face of convention, progress, etc. since its inception. That aspect of its personality shouldn't change in my opinion.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah but you can make the legendary car a little more practical. Thats what the 4 doors is about I guess, and its an incredibly good thing that Jeep have done this. about the gap from the wheelarch to the bumper, It wont make much of a difference anyway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

SHEPO
01-03-2006, 08:15 PM
can anyone get the magazine and scan the cover image of it???

M0L0TOV
01-03-2006, 08:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">TCC said expect this at New York and maybe the Cherokee name.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isn't that a bit confusing since the Liberty is sold in Europe as the Cherokee? <p>M0L0TOV

Kita5150
01-05-2006, 08:21 PM
Here are some amazing Pics<p><A HREF="http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=700829" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/...00829</A>

against the wall
01-05-2006, 08:24 PM
see thread in new cars section

Superfresa
01-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Please continue discussion in the new cars area:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=18163" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=18163</A>