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Ascariss
03-06-2005, 04:29 PM
<IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//BMW-Z5-01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//BMW-Z5-02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//BMW-Z5-03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//BMW-Z5-04.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Ok I am sure most people have seen these pictures, the chop was featuered numerous time in magazines and I am sure it is a huckfledt original. The spy pictures here are the only ones I have and I know are only have existed, I could be wrong.<p>Mirrors are not very BMW like, almost tuner by the looks of it. The front could have a bmw grill hard to see. There are 2 prototypes in these pictures, and both seem to sport a bmw/minuch plate, again could be photoshopped in. The hofmiester kink is a bit small, but it is there, but the glasshouse looks very porsche like. <p>Again I am sure I could go on for hours and so on, but let the discussion begin. Scott any help would be welcome.<p><br>

Naga Royal Guard
03-06-2005, 04:40 PM
cant be a z4 coupe/hatch<p>with bmw's entire lineup redesigned or revised recently it will be interesting too see whats next ( ok, they havent released further 3 series body styles yet so i guess i answered my own question )<p>

Ascariss
03-06-2005, 04:45 PM
The thing is I am curious when the development was began for this particular car since it is an almost inbetween of flame surfacing and the old styling.

Dal
03-06-2005, 04:48 PM
them wing mirrors are the e36 m3 wing mirrors

JBlair
03-06-2005, 04:49 PM
There's heavy camo on the sides that could be obscuring the flame surfacing. The whole thing is just weird. The general front almost makes me think Mini, but I just can't tell.

Adam D12 Demon
03-06-2005, 04:49 PM
are the spy pics even real?&gt;

Ascariss
03-06-2005, 04:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">them wing mirrors are the e36 m3 wing mirrors</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I knew they looked familiar.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adamthegr8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are the spy pics even real?&gt;</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Difficult to say, its a prototype for sure.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's heavy camo on the sides that could be obscuring the flame surfacing. The whole thing is just weird. The general front almost makes me think Mini, but I just can't tell.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not sure that camo is hiding anything on the side, reasons being the camo doesn't seem to be the standard camo bmw has used recently or before. It almost feels like a transition between the older generation and the current one.

JBlair
03-06-2005, 05:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adamthegr8</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are the spy pics even real?&gt;</TD></TR></TABLE><p>These surfaced a while ago (I am inclined to say 6 or 7 months), after photographers caught it hiding in a test group that also had some new 5ers in it. The pics are genuine, its anybody's guess as to what this is though. <p>Edit: Apparently Ascariss has had them for close to 3 years. My guess would be that this thing is dead in the water then.

Ascariss
03-06-2005, 05:06 PM
the picture are way older, I had them burned to CD in august of 2002, but they were saved on my hard drive at least 4-6months aheard of time.<p>I am sure it is a dead project, it is just what was the point of it and why was it cancelled.

Naga Royal Guard
03-06-2005, 05:08 PM
if i remember correctly, motortrend had a front view of this in their z4 forecast

Charger
03-06-2005, 05:10 PM
when I saw these a long time ago I didnt even think a BMW was even under all that camo. The spy pics look like chops to me, and it doesnt even have a BMW shape to it. Maybe BMW was planning on this but then scrapped it and never showed it to the public.

LEXUS FAN!
03-06-2005, 05:25 PM
i saw these pictures years ago...they were of a supposed Z5<p>what happened?<p>these are old pictures

Andre
03-06-2005, 06:15 PM
I wonder if it's an early Z4 mule... It came out soon enough

Roadster44
03-06-2005, 07:21 PM
Porsche is coming out with Cayman...which is a hardtop Boxter. Is BMW then coming out with a Z5...essentially a hardtop Z4. Smaller cheaper two door sports coupe with better rigidity and therefore more involved handling. Makes sense. It could take away sales from Nissan Z, RX8, Crossfire, Audi TT and other similar vehicles. Perhaps there are holes in my logic...

LEXUS FAN!
03-06-2005, 07:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder if it's an early Z4 mule... It came out soon enough</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No b/c this was in 2001/2002, which is too late for an early Z4 mule.

JBlair
03-06-2005, 08:30 PM
Whatever it was, its dead now. A project that was testing at that time would have been out at least a year and a half, probably two, years ago. The one thing I can thing of though, is that this reminds me of something that could be an S2000 replacement.

Naga Royal Guard
03-06-2005, 08:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whatever it was, its dead now.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what movie did that come from <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
03-06-2005, 08:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what movie did that come from <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>HAHAHAHA.........I have no clue.

geary
03-06-2005, 10:34 PM
When was the last time BMW had a production spoiler?

jlaidler
03-06-2005, 11:00 PM
This was to be the super light 4 cylinder pure sports car but they were never sure there was a business case as I recall. Too bad, I was looking forward to that as a serious purchase prospect. Seems strange a car would get as far as testing in production skin without being made.

Top Secret
03-07-2005, 02:20 AM
I saw this like two years back. CAR UK had this labeled as the 'Z10 Supercar' to take on with the SLR with a twin-turbo V10...nice.

The Big Aristotle
03-07-2005, 03:47 AM
i call it a chop<p>why would front lights be completely undisguised<p>looks far too much like the photoshop picture<p>front and number plate just dont look real<p>only the rear shot look real and that has a completely different number plate<p>as was point out, bmw and rear spoliers are a big no<p>granted the wheels are bmw but i dont back it<p>

KebabGud
03-07-2005, 04:18 AM
Recaro?<br>why whould BMW use recaro seats?<br>BMW is one of the few auto makers who makes there own seats .. and they rule at that.. (the M5 seats are perfect!)<br>

BMW MFreak
03-07-2005, 06:07 AM
Believe me... Nobody of you is right. I worked at BMW at that time. Especially where this car was build and developed. I can't tell you more about that because I was obliged to be silent. Sorrry!

mzoltarp
03-07-2005, 06:45 AM
Assuming it's a dead project, I would find it sad that a car with such nice proportions without a lot a Bangle-ization will not move forward. I too remember seeing this spy shot eons ago.

KebabGud
03-07-2005, 08:08 AM
just tell me WHY! a BMW had recaro seats!<p>somthing tells me its a "after dark" project.. but then again .. som of the coolest cars ever have been "after dark" projects

Santeno
03-07-2005, 09:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>saebb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Believe me... Nobody of you is right. I worked at BMW at that time. Especially where this car was build and developed. I can't tell you more about that because I was obliged to be silent. Sorrry!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Ahhh Yes, the old "I know the secret, but I'm sworn to secrecy" routine. I kind of preffer the "I can tell you, but then I'd have to kill you" one better.

Ascariss
03-07-2005, 10:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>saebb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Believe me... Nobody of you is right. I worked at BMW at that time. Especially where this car was build and developed. I can't tell you more about that because I was obliged to be silent. Sorrry!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am really not sure what is stopping you from emailing us and telling us the actual facts, since this wouldn't really give away your identity. The project is dead, BMW has nothing to lose from giving away facts and what not. If you don't want to tell us, why post at all? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Spy Guy
03-07-2005, 10:54 AM
It was just a prototype for testing light weight components. Nothing more nothing less.<br>And to the Recaro seats: Lots of prototypes are using these racing seats. Also vans (Renault Trafic), small cars (Citroen C3), Porsche 911, VW Touareg etc.<br>They have these seats because those cars are mostly used for high speed testing or extrem handling tests. And there are no better seats for it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

[AP]adiweb
03-07-2005, 11:28 AM
actually the front bumer of this car looks much like the new m5's <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Pedigreepaul
03-07-2005, 12:18 PM
This is really a difficult car.. I see similarities with too many cars now<p>Why: front bumper kinda like the new M5, caught in a group of other BMW's and E38 mirrors..<p>When I looked further I also noticed the hood and the front fenders and lights, almost similar to the Opel/Vauxhall Speedster.. Or is it just me?

shonguiz
03-07-2005, 01:39 PM
Wow this a very old photo, but what i can tell you gyus is : a guy who work with many car compagnies specialy with deutsche compagnies, a scott-like but in a french forum and who kows much said that this was not a prototype of a Z5 model because that model didn't exist.

AM2K
03-07-2005, 04:36 PM
Another strange co-incidence is that the chop of this supposed Z5 has the current E60 M5 Wheels.... very strange!!<p>But actually, i read a couple of years back that this car was actually intended for 2005/6 once the V10 engine had been developed. <p>So it could still be something that can be dusted down and taken off the development shelf...

KebabGud
03-07-2005, 04:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GHPixx</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It was just a prototype for testing light weight components. Nothing more nothing less.<br>And to the Recaro seats: Lots of prototypes are using these racing seats. Also vans (Renault Trafic), small cars (Citroen C3), Porsche 911, VW Touareg etc.<br>They have these seats because those cars are mostly used for high speed testing or extrem handling tests. And there are no better seats for it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>yes.. a lot of automaker use recaro .. but not BMW .. they are one of the only makers in the business that make there own sports seats..<br>its like they go to a exstra step just to avoid using thirdparty seats...

Roadster44
03-07-2005, 08:39 PM
I'm confident the project is alive, but the styling is probably completely different from what you see here. BMW needs to fill a void from 3series coupe to enormous 6series. They need a low-snug, two door smaller coupe i.e. Z350, RX8, Audi TT, Crossfire.

The Spy
03-07-2005, 09:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KebabGud</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>yes.. a lot of automaker use recaro .. but not BMW .. they are one of the only makers in the business that make there own sports seats..<br>its like they go to a exstra step just to avoid using thirdparty seats...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This prototype IS a BMW and it HAS Recaro-seats, so I guess you're wrong. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

IcedG35
03-07-2005, 10:07 PM
If this car is real, wouldn't it overlap with the upcoming 4 series?

Roadster44
03-07-2005, 10:20 PM
No not at all. 3series coupe is a 2+2 seater as to where "Z5" would be a two seater low snug coupe i.e. 350Z, M Coupe, Audi TT. Oriented more towards peformance, handling, track day friendly, weigh less.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Roadster44 at 9:30 PM 3/7/2005</i>

Spy Guy
03-08-2005, 12:49 AM
Maybe I have to write it again: THIS CAR WAS NO PROTOTYPE FOR A NEW SERIES! IT WAS JUST A MULE FOR LIGHT WEIGHT MATERIALS. This is just a fantasy design and nothing that will ever come out. And these Recaro seats are used by nearly every company (also BMW).

BMW MFreak
03-08-2005, 01:46 AM
You're right! This project is totally dead. It was a leightweight test mule and was never meant to become a official series. It is not alive. i repeat it: The project was closed down at the time I was working there. Just an experimental car.

Roadster44
03-08-2005, 06:01 AM
I understand that it was just a temporary project. However I firmly believe that a vehicle I described above will be developed.

KebabGud
03-08-2005, 08:28 AM
Yes .. its calld the Z4... :roll:

Don Carleone
03-08-2005, 11:21 AM
Again my analysis on that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>1. How old are these shots? Too old! They must be older than December 14th - 2001!!!<p>2. Who published them? They could be seen originally on the UK-issue AutoExpress. However, here's an article from AE's system magazine in Greece:<p><A HREF="http://www.in.gr/auto/parousiaseis/ae_BMW_Z5_122001.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.in.gr/auto/parousia...1.htm</A><p>3. Who took the shots? Not clear. AutoExpress buys from almost every "car spy" in the world. They also have a lot of readers taking pictures and selling them, so we don't know. What we know is that usually people like Hans G. Lehmann or the guys over at Automedia get their photo credit. In this case, there is no credit. The reason for that COULD be that either the pics were taking by a reader or they were taken illegaly.<p>4. Illegaly!? How's that??? Well,<p>4. a) First of all the shots are grainy - as if the were taken with lots of ISO - that's something a reader wouldn't be able to do with his ****ty camera. You need lots of ISO if it's dark - or if you shoot through a little hole in a solid fence or something. That leeds us to<p>4. b) A little hole in a fence could be the reason for the pictures beeing, uhm, some sort of out of contrast... Plus<p>4. c) If you look at the front- and sideshot, you will notice something dark on the right side - go and have a shot through a little hole in a fence and se if you get the same effect... On to<p>4. d) The backshot is cut off!? Well, maybe the hole in the fence wasn't big enough to get the car from that angle... Finally<p>4. e) The front- and back license plates are not the same. Back in the days, you could find out w <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> ich one was fake. It's the one in the front. This belonged to a BMW 7 series and was taken from a set of press pictures.<p>5. Where were they taken? Unknown. Assuming the shots were "hot", meaning brand new, it must have been some place you need sunglasses in December... The green background - which doesn't seem to be fake - also tells me south. Plus, I think those side marks on the street (that white thing in the back shot) reminds me of Spain. But I'm not sure - so if you know the place...<p>6. So, is it a BMW at all? Probably not.<p>6. a) The back license plate isn't registrated anymore - so nothing to find out. Plus, we don't really know who's using that D-plate, registered in Dsseldorf, Germany. However, we DO know that BMW sometimes use E-plates, meaning Essen, Germany, on their prototypes. And Essen is not THAT far away from Dsseldorf...<p>6. b) That camo looks like EVERYTHING, but NOT like BMW! They didn't even use it way back. Again: That's NO BMW camo.<p>6. c) Nothing to tell from those seats - those are more popular than Coca Cola, I guess...<p>6. d) And it's NOT just a mule for some sort of sh**. This car has perfectly shaped parts, perfectly designed lamps - some mule for some sort of stuff looks a little more like this instead:<p><A HREF="http://server6.uploadit.org/files/student3k-x5a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://server6.uploadit.org/fi...a.jpg</A><p>See the little difference?<p>7. So, what is it all about?<p>I DON'T KNOW - and probably we'll never know.<p>Before I leave let me just use all of my 3 4-letter-words per post on that coward who "knows" what this thing is about: Just f**k off with your bull****!<p>Next one, please.

skoochythatone
03-08-2005, 03:50 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> Good job SMA!

LSS_C6
03-08-2005, 04:09 PM
As far as I concern, that image is based on a prototype launched some years ago...i think it wont be nothing like that because it hasn`t nothing to do with the actual design theme or design way.

Roadster44
03-08-2005, 09:16 PM
I wouldn't look too much into the pictures as much as I'd concentrate on the idea itself.

fantomas76
03-09-2005, 06:52 AM
That's the way it's meant to be written, sma!<p>sma for moderator!

Ascariss
03-09-2005, 10:19 AM
ahahah, I just wanted to know if this car was real or not, and well I think this thread has gone past it's mission. lol

Hornbag
03-10-2005, 03:40 AM
Well...if they make this car (im so hoping they do) they will have to keep the flame surfacing. I mean, they cant just change it like that! And IMO, i dont think they should change flame surfacing, i LUBS it!

Ascariss
03-10-2005, 07:16 AM
This car is not being made, please read the entire thread.

Santeno
03-10-2005, 03:09 PM
one of our sources has confirmed the following which has also been stated by some of you:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This prototype was built by a group of engineers at BMW Technik GmbH in Hanauer Street in Munich. Its body was built out of carbon fibre, with the exception of the front, which was made out of aluminium (for ease of repair). Three prototypes were built for testing, using a 2.5, a 3.0 and the US M3-engine respectively. A lot of testing was done in order to determine if it was possible to build a small series of high power to weight vehicles. However, they quickly found out that it would be too expensive to produce and much to complicated to repair a vehicle of this type, so the project was terminated.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hope that answers any lingering questions any of you might have.

Hornbag
03-11-2005, 12:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This car is not being made, please read the entire thread.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sori, i had a bad day yesterday, blonde moment! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

mc_blue
03-11-2005, 09:29 AM
I'm sure I've got the article somewhere - would anyone like it scanned out of interest?

scott26
03-14-2005, 12:04 PM
This project was purely experimental . It was to test and develop technology and materials for future production models - It was a fun pure handling sports car and there was plans for the a driving machine unheard of . no luxury just a pure sports car. <p>The ideas are still with BMW product planners and it is on the to-do-later shelf but not like this. With the M2 Coupe expected now to charge up to 350 BHP the proposed 2.4 powerplant is too weak to it's rivals. Expect though a go ahead to a Z2 Roadster - BMW's true Mx-5 rival.

Uberwagon
03-14-2005, 01:03 PM
Bless those insiders: An important bit of the previous post is that a 350hp M2 and a possible Z2 are coming. That means we will see a 2-series coupe after all and an inexpensive Z-roadster is being decided on. Perhaps the exchange rate will keep this on the Euro side but, to my ears, this is hopeful news!

IcedG35
03-14-2005, 03:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No not at all. 3series coupe is a 2+2 seater as to where "Z5" would be a two seater low snug coupe i.e. 350Z, M Coupe, Audi TT. Oriented more towards peformance, handling, track day friendly, weigh less.<p><br><i>Modified by Roadster44 at 9:30 PM 3/7/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>i said the 4 series...the hardtop convertable thats above the 3 series

shonguiz
03-16-2005, 07:08 AM
<br>Scott are the 350hp hor the M2 a final decision ? A guy who works with deutsch compagnies told me that they will use the engine of e46 m3 but in less powerful version to upgrade fiability but what you told us here is in total contrast.

Computerbluew
03-17-2005, 10:12 PM
Hey guys.. I'm a newbie here but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents.. This car looks a lot like a Crossfire from the front..

Don Carleone
03-26-2005, 09:07 AM
Just to make it complete: at the left bottom side, there's a slightly different picture<p><A HREF="http://big.aq12.de/z%20serie/Z5bericht.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://big.aq12.de/z%20serie/Z5bericht.jpg</A>