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ll0ll
02-28-2005, 01:27 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.bitabout.info/public/imagesforum/dino.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.autotematic.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autotematic.com</A><p>Does anyone know more about this?

Seller Automotive
02-28-2005, 02:54 AM
There have been some small talks within ferrari about a car cheaper than the 360/430... But all articles and interviews I've read say Ferrari has no intentions about building a car below the 360/430..<p>Ferrari is quite happy with their ~4,000 unit annual output, and have no desire to become anymore of a "volume" manufacturer than that.

Top Secret
02-28-2005, 03:57 AM
A new Dino eh? I don't think there is currently a market for that kind of car. I mean, the F430 basically competes with all the sportscars such as the Gallardo and the 911. But if the Dino idea comes through - it could be a success.

Tidal
02-28-2005, 06:16 AM
I've read stuff about this too. Supposedly, now that Maserati is shacking up with Alfa, their Spider/GT would go from a QP platform to sharing the premium with the 159/Brera ( delaying it even further ), and leaving the car that is almost ready to be re-styled and re-packaged as a Ferrari.

Reppu
02-28-2005, 07:14 AM
I think that there's a place for a Ferrari around 350-400hp. Their less powered car is the 490hp F-430 at the moment.

Redline
02-28-2005, 02:22 PM
There would deffinently be a market for this, but I think keeping up with demand would be a serious problem.

Seller Automotive
02-28-2005, 02:53 PM
I agree with redline... as everyone should... theres ALWAYS gonna be a Market for a "Ferrari"... and if they built a $100k car that competes with the Aston Martin AMV8 and Porsche 911 S, it would DOMINATE...<p>They COULD get away with building only 2,000 or so globally a year, which would probably create another 4 year waiting list for one of their cars... but Ferrari does not want to go beyond their ~4,000 cars annually.

jje172
02-28-2005, 03:03 PM
I think what you're looking at is an artists conception of the replacement for the 575. Rumours suggest it will be called the 600 Imola. Ferarri would not be planning to battle against cars in the 911 price bracket, as they are a)not geared up for mass production on that scale and b)doing so would dilute the brand. A ferarri without the ferrari "aura" would be just another car...<p>JJ

iakovos
02-28-2005, 05:09 PM
Yes... but does Ferrari really want to sell more than 4000 cars per year ?<p>Remember that Ferrari is still a legent...is still a small company that lives off motoracing and heavily re-investing in technology.<p>If they sell more than 4000 and become common cars, that myth will go away.. they will go a step lower... like Porsche... nice well engineered sport cars but nothing tooo special or unique

turbonium959
02-28-2005, 09:55 PM
Do you have any idea how much of a demand would there be for $100K Ferrari? I sure am not doubting how successful it will be, but that would drastically increase Ferrari's annual volume, and in turn would drive the cost of all other cars in their line-up to go down. Down, is not something Ferrari wants to deal with. With higher volume, you always have lower prices, lower quality, lower image... something Ferrari has nothing to do with. Ferrari builds great road cars, and race cars. Its clients pay AMAZING mark-up costs just to own one. Why would you want to mess with something as good as this? Ferrari is the standard for automotive excellence right now, and its looking down on everybody else.

JBlair
02-28-2005, 10:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>turbonium959</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have any idea how much of a demand would there be for $100K Ferrari? I sure am not doubting how successful it will be, but that would drastically increase Ferrari's annual volume, and in turn would drive the cost of all other cars in their line-up to go down. Down, is not something Ferrari wants to deal with. With higher volume, you always have lower prices, lower quality, lower image... something Ferrari has nothing to do with. Ferrari builds great road cars, and race cars. Its clients pay AMAZING mark-up costs just to own one. Why would you want to mess with something as good as this? Ferrari is the standard for automotive excellence right now, and its looking down on everybody else. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Many would doubt that, especially when compared to makers who have better product. However, I am inclined to agree with Spotseller, since he actually knows what he is talking about.

geary
03-01-2005, 12:52 AM
Notice the artist's impression is just a F430 mixed with a Scagletti?

hokman
03-01-2005, 12:57 AM
I think Ferrari is a legend, how can they invest billions in boring formula 1 and only sell 4000 cars a year. They aren't making much money. In the 1950's and 60s ferrari is a small sports car maker with unsophicated suspension and no refinements like lusso and daytona, albeit they look beautiful and has superb engines. Daytona's gearbox shifts like a lorry. But now they become the definition of sports cars, the best sports car image in the world. It's a miracle.

r3vilo
03-03-2005, 12:52 PM
anyone got any more pics.......prefarably of front end<br>

Charger
04-11-2005, 05:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jje172</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check <A HREF="http://www.autocarmag.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocarmag.com</A> and scroll down till you see this week's cover.<p>JJ <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>

taskbearer
04-12-2005, 12:45 PM
That artist impression really inco-operates styling cues from the scaglietti and the 430 really well. It might as well be the frontend to the 600 Imola. As for a porsche rivaling ferrari, it would water down that iron horse image to a dre4ssed up donkey. Low volume is what ferrari should be.

Krypton
04-12-2005, 12:55 PM
<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hokman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Ferrari is a legend, how can they invest billions in boring formula 1 and only sell 4000 cars a year. .</TD></TR></TABLE>Ive read Enzo Ferraris biography and that is exactly what he wanted. He only cared about the racing section of his company. He didnt even care about selling cars, one of his associates asked him if he could sell them and Ferrari agreed as long as it wasnt a major art of his company.

Uberwagon
04-12-2005, 01:46 PM
The reality is that Enzo is dead and the place is owned by Fiat, a distressed holding company that is struggling to keep it's Fiat auto division (thankfully separate from Ferrari) afloat. This means that they may start trying to squeeze added profits from Ferrari, Enzo's wishes or not. That could mean that they would cut costs (F1 being an obvious choice at $400million) or add volume. <p>Dino's have been V6's in the past. Perhaps this could be an option being considered given the existing V12 and V8's in the stable? In any case, a $120k Ferrari would certainly sell. Personally, I think a sort of no-content Lotus Elise-like car with a track-ready V6 would add volume and keep the brand intact.

bolita
04-12-2005, 02:41 PM
In todays world 4000 or 10000 is pretty exclusive anyway and with Ferrari's image I dont see a problem with a 100K Ferrari...

carrera4
04-13-2005, 08:55 AM
why this car is not mid engined?<p>seen at autoscoops.nl<p><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1079812a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...a.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1079812b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...b.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1079812c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A>

Santeno
04-13-2005, 12:25 PM
Here is an article from today's Piston Heads:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FERRARI TO BUILD ASTON-KILLER<br><FONT SIZE="1">New baby Ferrari goes head-to-head with AMV8 Vantage</FONT><p>Ferrari plans to launch a new entry-level car -- the 21st century Dino, if you like -- according to this week's Autocar. The car will be powered by a Maserati-sourced 400bhp 4.2-litre engine, mid-front mounted and driving the rear wheels through a rear axle-mounted transmission. <p>The engine position is similar to that in Aston Martin's 911-killer, the V8 Vantage. And given the price, the new baby Ferrari looks like being an intriguing competitor.<p>It'll cost some 85,000 as a coup, and sources say that it could lift Ferrari sales by some 3,000 to around 8,000. This suggests that Ferrari is the last of the big premium car marques to indulge in brand extension -- something its rivals have been happy to indulge in but which Ferrari has so far eschewed.<p>The car is dubbed Project California and will be based on the now-canned replacements for Maserati's Spider and Coup models. Maserati stopped developing the cars just before the company found itself under Alfa Romeo's wing in February.<p>There's more in the magazine but not the Web site -- yet.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Original Ferrari Dino:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/36-ferrari-dino.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:35 AM 4/14/2005</i>

Reppu
04-13-2005, 11:27 PM
Maserati canned replacements? WTF?

summersun54
04-14-2005, 08:30 AM
too much of a noose around ferrari's neck

carrera4
04-14-2005, 08:41 AM
I don't think we can trust Autocar...

erzhik
04-14-2005, 09:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carrera4</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think we can trust Autocar...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Autocar is a really good magazine..I've been reading it for like 3 years now. Used to buy every issue..<p>So, will this Ferrari have any competitors?

Santeno
04-14-2005, 10:08 AM
If priced in the sub $100K range, I would think Aston Martin's new entry level car (whose name I forget), Porsche's 911, Maserati's GT,Honda's NSX, and a few others would be valid competitors.

syclone
04-14-2005, 06:58 PM
Why would Ferrari want to compete with Maserati's GT. Honestly, I think a lower output version of the f430 would make more sense. The f430 is already completely maniacal for the entry level even for Ferrari. Why not like an f400 without a lot of the goodies?

Uberwagon
04-14-2005, 08:00 PM
I think you guys are missing some of the info in the story posted earlier. <p>First, due to serious financial problems at Fiat, Maserati was recently shuttled back under Fiat control and paired with Alfa Romeo, breaking from Ferrari. The idea being, at some point, Ferrari will be spun off to raise capital for Fiat in an IPO. <p>Second, the Maserati GT and Spyder, under development until recently, are now DOA thanks to the financial issues at Fiat. Having a) invested substantially in these two cars and b) no longer being constricted by the prospect of canabalising Maserati, Ferrari is now in a position to launch them as "entry-level" Ferraris. I guess that would explain the front-engine designation, no?<p>Third, at 85,000 pounds sterling, that's something like $135,000 US. So it doesn't sound like this is much of a standard 911 competitor so much as a challenger to the forthcoming Aston Martin Vantage V8. In any case, $135k puts these things withing reach of a LOT more people!<p>

carrera4
04-15-2005, 01:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Autocar is a really good magazine..I've been reading it for like 3 years now. Used to buy every issue..<p>So, will this Ferrari have any competitors?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Instead, I think we will see the maserati coup/spyder

summersun54
04-15-2005, 02:31 AM
<br>we will see a replacement for the maserati GT and convertible but most Likely not based on these on this baby ferrair..Ferrari were aiming for 10,000 a year sales of maserati and they only got 4,600..Which is a huge improvement over there pre ferrari days but not enough to generate a profit..<br>The word seems to be that Alfa Romeo’s new premium platform could form the bases of the new (now much delayed) maserati GT replacement

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 09:54 AM
Sadly, this premium platform from Alpha is currently *front wheel drive*! (That's the new Brera/159 platform) The Maserati mules we've seen in other threads show what looks to be a shortened Quattroporte-based coupe. Giving up that platform would be a massive setback for Maserati's future prospects...<p>...But a nice boost for Ferrari. At 4000 or so units, Maserati may have had a tough time (priced at $90k or so) but the Ferrari brand can command much more and make a lower volume work. Styled by Pininfarina, painted red and sporting a prancing horse, that same car could raise volume and cashflow and make Ferrari very attractive to investors. The new F430's V8 engine is a variant of the Maserati 4.2 in the current GT/Spyder too so it might be a nice, easy transition. In any case, I'll buy a share of that Ferrari stock and put it on my wall either way!<p>BTW, a neighbor of mine has a Maserati Spyder and that V8 sounds...melodious!

italo
04-18-2005, 06:17 AM
Source: <A HREF="http://www.autocarmagazine.com/news_article.asp?na_id=214573" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocarmagazine.com...14573</A><p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.com/Car/Ferrari/Dino/144551048551.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.com/Car/Maserati/Coupe/4.2V8GT2drCoupe/144551022271.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>Ferrari's 85k Aston fighter</b><p>Ferrari is set to give the green light to a new entry level model that will directly take on Aston Martins V8 Vantage and should give a massive boost to the Italian company. Powered by a front-mounted 400bhp 4.2-litre V8 driving a rear-mounted transmission, the new model should sell for around 85,000 in coup form and could lift Ferrari sales from just under 5000 cars per year to as many as 8000.<p>Rumoured to be called Project California, sources in Italy say Ferrari engineers are already working on the new car, which will also come in drophead form. It is the first tangible evidence of a new dawn for Ferrari after its recent split from Maserati.<p>The California is believed to be based on Maseratis planned replacement for the Spider and Coup models. Scooped by Autocar last year (21/28 December), development of these new cars was halted just before control of Maserati was handed over to Alfa Romeo in February.<p>The proposed baby Ferrari is the first concrete sign that Maranello is preparing to break free of its self-imposed production limits and take a risk on exploiting one of the most widely-recognised brands in the world.<p>The California is based on conventional steel monocoque chassis, although it uses a transaxle transmission, located on the back axle. With the engine mounted well back in the nose, the combination gives a near-perfect front/rear weight distribution. This front-mid engine layout (though without the transaxle) is also employed by the Californias closest potential rival, the Aston Martin V8 Vantage.<p>Although engineers have been working on two wheelbases for the new Maseratis, its expected that Ferrari will utilise the shorter chassis, which would have underpinned the Spider.<p>Insiders expect the California to use a Ferrari-modified version of todays 400bhp 4.2-litre V8 Maserati engine (right), which would confirm the Californias position below the F430 in the Ferrari line-up, with its 490bhp 4.3-litre V8. And in the UK the F430 coup is priced at 118,000, which means theres a gap in Ferraris market for an 85,000 coup.<p>However, theres little chance of the California simply being a worked-over version of the Mk2 Maserati coup. <u>Senior insiders told Autocar that cash-strapped Ferrari had not committed to tooling up the new Maserati designs</u>, so Ferraris designers will have to start from scratch on the styling, inside and out.<p>After the controversial styling of the front-engined 612 Scaglietti, Ferrari bosses will surely be looking for a coup that has the appeal of the new Aston Martin models as well as the legendary day-to-day usability of the Porsche 911.<p>Meanwhile, with <u>the replacements for the Maserati Coup and Spyder put on hold</u>, its thought that Maserati may turn to new partner Alfa Romeo for help to replace its entry-level models. Alfas sophisticated Premium platform could provide the basis for a new coup and cabriolet model.<p>The new Alfa Romeo Brera could provide the bare bones of the new models. And according to the terms of the recent split between General Motors and Fiat, GM will supply Fiat Auto with a version of its Northstar V8 engine that can be transversely mounted. Insiders say this will be modified by Maserati engineers and hooked up to a full-time, rear-biased four-wheel-drive system.<p>Maserati had been a millstone around Ferraris neck since late 1999, and it was blamed for dragging it substantially into the red last year. Despite a respected three-model range, Maserati sold just 4600 cars last year, and although that was a massive increase over previous years, it is said to need to make 10,000 cars per year at its refurbished Modena factory to move into healthy profit.<p>Ferrari bought Maserati from Fiat in late 1999. Fiat, in turn had bought the ailing brand in January 1990 from De Tomaso. Despite investing in a unique platform and sophisticated engineering, Maserati has been taking too long to show a return on Ferraris investment.<p>Autocar has been told that the marriage of the two supercar makers ultimately failed because Ferraris components were too expensive to use in the cheaper Maseratis.</TD></TR></TABLE><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:31 AM 4/18/2005</i>

Roadster44
04-18-2005, 03:25 PM
Yep read the article today. So I guess Ferrari is going to follow Aston Martin in its footsteps. Which is fine...I mean I could care less about enthusiasts saying that brand is being dilluted because Ferrari needs this car, it will sell great, and bring it some much needed cash. Good business decision...simple.

Uberwagon
04-18-2005, 07:33 PM
I think this is exciting for the sole reason that the marquee will be more accessible. No, that doesn't mean the average joe is going to run out and buy a Ferrari but if there are more on the market, at a lower price, perhaps one might be in reach on the second-hand market. I for one would certainly love to be driving a clean, six year-old Ferrari "California" in, oh, eight years year or so. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
04-18-2005, 10:21 PM
You don't think they will their value well over a 6 year period? Boxter has managed to do it for one.

Seller Automotive
04-18-2005, 11:12 PM
No matter what Ferrari builds... especially "cheaper cars" they will be SMOKIN HOT..<p>This car would do what for volume?? 2,000 Annually? similar to the Vantage.. thats still not MANY.. its just MANY for Ferrari.<p>The US would only see maybe 40% of those 2,000.. lets just say 800 a year.<p>800 a year would STILL be a 4 year waiting list for the car.. especially since A LOT more people would be willing to spend ~$125,000 for a NEW Ferrari.<p>For many years after this cars introduction.. it'll STILL cost OVER MSRP.. even used ones... You can't fight the Supply/Demand Ferrari Market.. its a guarantee with every model they make.

Uberwagon
04-19-2005, 12:21 AM
Naturally, this would probably hold its value very well. But a wealthy aquaintence recently mentioned how he's thinking of purchasing a second-hand 550 Maranello because of the halving of their original list price. I took a look and sure enough, they'd come down. Given that and the nearly reasonable prices of F355's of late, I'm going to dream. But i'm not going to hold my breath. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
04-19-2005, 06:54 AM
I definitely see this car being a huge hit. That market of 80 to 140k is very very competitive. If I was another manufacturer planning on introducing a sports car in such price range I'd be shaking in my boots, or in wiser sense get the best possible engineering talent possible with necessary budget. Companies only get one shot at a hot market. Just look at Maseratti GT and how poorly it was received. On a side note...how long is it going to before we'll see a CLS/Quattroporte type of a car from Ferrari?

Seller Automotive
04-19-2005, 08:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I definitely see this car being a huge hit. That market of 80 to 140k is very very competitive. If I was another manufacturer planning on introducing a sports car in such price range I'd be shaking in my boots, or in wiser sense get the best possible engineering talent possible with necessary budget. Companies only get one shot at a hot market. Just look at Maseratti GT and how poorly it was received. On a side note...how long is it going to before we'll see a CLS/Quattroporte type of a car from Ferrari? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the 612 is as close as Ferrari will get to a "people mover".

Roadster44
04-19-2005, 10:03 AM
Why do you think that SA?

Uberwagon
04-19-2005, 11:45 AM
I tend to agree with Seller. Ferrari has a long tradition of doing four seat coupes but has strictly ruled out variants. They simply consider themselves a sports car company (or a racing company that happens to build cars, depending on who you ask). That's not to say the 250GTE's or 308GT4's were great sports cars per se but they were as close as the stewards of the brand would let them go toward "sensible."<p>I'll never say never but, given the success of the current product line, the tradition they hold themselves to, and the nature of the brand, I think the 612 will be it. Then again, if volume becomes an issue for them (as it may) perhaps a sub $200k 2+2 might make sense?

erzhik
04-19-2005, 03:54 PM
why Dino?<br>Because what Mr. Enzo Ferrari named one of his models after a dead son!<p>This is one serious competitor to Porshe and other small exotics.

Uberwagon
04-19-2005, 05:24 PM
As some of you may know, the orginal 206 & 246 Dino's don't have a Ferrari badge on them. They used the "Dino" badge because they thought (particularly with the 206) that a small six-cylinder car fell outside of the "premium" level of Ferrari's (known mostly for V-12's at the time).<p>I wonder if that's still a concern at $135,000?<p>

wilsoch
04-19-2005, 07:00 PM
I'm not sure whether this is a good idea or not for Ferrari. I'm not worried about exclusivity or anything, and I would love to see a more accessible Ferrari, but selling cars at a lower price point might not be easy for them. That Autocar article mentioned, for example, that the partnership with Maserati was a failure in part because Ferrari components were too expensive for a low cost car. To produce a Dino, then, Ferrari might have to spend a lot of money engineering cheaper components, but according to Autocar, Ferrari is "cash-strapped." In the end, a project like the Dino might divert too many resources from Ferrari's other projects, which I wouldn't want to see. They have enough competition at the high end; everyone (even Ford) seems to be making supercars nowadays.

Roadster44
04-20-2005, 11:59 AM
Maserattis simply didn't sell well. Also for this project I'd imagine that Ferrari already has the bulk of basic R&D done (for GT replacements), and once the car will come out I'm sure they'll recoup their costs without a problem.

Santeno
04-20-2005, 12:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As some of you may know, the orginal 206 & 246 Dino's don't have a Ferrari badge on them. They used the "Dino" badge because they thought (particularly with the 206) that a small six-cylinder car fell outside of the "premium" level of Ferrari's (known mostly for V-12's at the time).<p>I wonder if that's still a concern at $135,000?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Absolutely true. to add to that, the Dino badge also extended onto the first few 308 GT4 Dino's that replaced the 246, but that badge was later changed for the prancing horse.

Uberwagon
04-20-2005, 01:29 PM
That's right! Good call Santeno. I stand corrected. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The 308 GT4 was the first of the "modern" V8's wasn't it? I guess that was considered a sufficient departure from the V12 heritage at first too...

RebuX
04-26-2005, 03:33 AM
Here's a link to another rendering and some info:<p><A HREF="http://www.forumfree.net/?t=3417893" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forumfree.net/?t=3417893</A><p>Here is the rendering:<p><IMG SRC="http://69.93.7.242/uploadsff/post-431696-1114513664.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: Auto<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:07 AM 4/26/2005</i>

AM2K
04-26-2005, 07:13 AM
So in the same sense that Porshce will have its lower end model such as the Cayman... Ferrari will have a Dino model which will represent lower end sales? (although i realise that the Dino would be more expensive than cayman).

Charger
04-28-2005, 12:31 PM
<A HREF="http://img129.echo.cx/img129/5176/dsc008494ni.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img129.echo.cx/img129/5176/dsc008494ni.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img129.echo.cx/img129/4599/dsc008504uy.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img129.echo.cx/img129/4599/dsc008504uy.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img193.echo.cx/img193/755/dino7iu.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img193.echo.cx/img193/755/dino7iu.jpg</A>

Vector
04-28-2005, 01:04 PM
Now that is a Ferrari!<p>The first two pictures are stunning. They really speak to the Ferrari heritage in a modern interpretation. The last one looks like a chop of a 360, itself an evolution of the old 246.

Jordmaniac
06-03-2005, 05:58 AM
how much would a thing like this cost? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

SOLAR
06-07-2005, 09:28 PM
WOW, looks insane <p>Jordmaniac : Im wondering the same thing.

iamalittlepepper
06-10-2005, 07:38 AM
I think it is still a concern because these days the old Dino competitors are in the same price range.. I think that's something Ferrari always concerns itself.<p>I just wonder how a car like this would do to the 2nd hand 3 series Ferrari market.. I mean F355 and older are maintence intensive.. I wonder how a new car like this affects shops!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As some of you may know, the orginal 206 & 246 Dino's don't have a Ferrari badge on them. They used the "Dino" badge because they thought (particularly with the 206) that a small six-cylinder car fell outside of the "premium" level of Ferrari's (known mostly for V-12's at the time).<p>I wonder if that's still a concern at $135,000?</TD></TR></TABLE>

DSC-OFF
01-08-2006, 01:49 PM
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odic
01-09-2006, 03:28 AM
isn't that a sketch from one of the 20 ones in that competition they made for young designers?<p><A HREF="http://www.netcarshow.com/ferrari/2005-design_competition/1024x768/wallpaper_0e.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.netcarshow.com/ferr...e.htm</A>

Porschefan
01-13-2006, 09:38 AM
Yea it is, so don't worry. The top on seems like the more promising design.

David911
10-06-2006, 03:21 AM
AutoBild has some info on a future Dino in this weeks issue:<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/heftarchiv/vorschau.php?oid=0Jhf0zkKst4L9j6xGVYpnkK1uYi5tc5J0 4kZbnFqXpf5bDmw2H9XOxErhgT%2By3SXfa4HphZUG7XPv2fjf 3tybQ%3D%3D" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/heftarc...3D%3D</A><br>

Porschefan
10-06-2006, 02:59 PM
Now that looks quite interesting. Take away the 599 GTB parts and you have a real contender...

Mil
10-06-2006, 03:07 PM
The top one looks quite 'cuddily' if i may say.

thedesigner
10-06-2006, 03:47 PM
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Uberwagon
10-06-2006, 04:39 PM
I don't think this is coming anymore. Ferrari has consistently said that they won't compromise their exclusivity with higher volume and they're at capacity now. Two year waiting lists for the 599 and 430 Spyder! If they did make another model line, I'm afraid it won't be "entry level" but rather a super-low volume, high-dollar special like a California Spyder. Besides, the break with Maserati takes the incentive to build less expensive componentry away completely.<p>But they always surprise us, so who knows?

HXC Performance
10-07-2006, 04:21 PM
They should finally build an F60 and have Kimi Raikkonen debut it sometime in the off season.

Uberwagon
10-08-2006, 08:36 PM
Timing is everything:<p>Just read an article in CAR and, oops, it looks like Ferrari IS looking to build a higher volume car. Their feeling the pressure to earn higher profits so they've quietly expanded their sales by growing in emerging markets -- China/Asia, Eastern Europe, etc. The theory is that they can do that without upsetting the exclusivity in the core markets of Europe and America.<p>It's a tricky marketing position to be in though -- Needing to go bigger for the economies of scale it provides for development but also maintaining a very, very strict exclusivity that keeps your brand relevant. I wouldn't want to walk that tightrope...<br>

protocatcher
11-02-2006, 04:01 PM
First pics of a Dino mule. <p><A HREF="http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/01/spied-proof-ferrari-is-working-on-a-new-dino" TARGET="_blank">http://www.leftlanenews.com/20...-dino</A>/

Vantage
11-02-2006, 10:21 PM
So far the rumour is that a possible Dino would be based on the same technical platform as the forthcoming (and desperately awaited) Maserati Coup - with the engine behind the front axle. The prototype photographed here has a different technical layout with the engine in front of the rear axle.

HXC Performance
11-03-2006, 03:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vantage</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So far the rumour is that a possible Dino would be based on the same technical platform as the forthcoming (and desperately awaited) Maserati Coup - with the engine behind the front axle. The prototype photographed here has a different technical layout with the engine in front of the rear axle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>$130,000 mid-engine Ferrari sounds awesome.

Uberwagon
11-06-2006, 03:16 PM
The idea of a used one in 10 years gives me hope... ; )<p>

DSC-OFF
12-07-2006, 07:28 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_422/car_photo_211020_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_422/car_photo_211018_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_422/car_photo_211021_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_422/car_photo_211019_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_422/car_photo_211022_5.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's the supercar scoop of the year! Auto Express has had exclusive access to insider details and can now reveal all the details of the Italian legend's most important new model of the decade. Yes, the Dino is back!<p>These pictures show the new Ferrari 420 Dino, which our sources in Italy have confirmed <B>will go on sale in 2010</B>. Despite being conceived more than two years ago, the whole project only got the green light in September, and is scheduled <B>to be unveiled at a major motor show in 2009</B>.<p>Taking the latter part of its name from Enzo Ferrari's son, our contacts are confident that the eventual title will be "420 Dino", with the number referring to the <B>V8 engine</B>'s size.<p>Back in Italy, one fierce debate is still raging between Ferrari, Pininfarina  the car's designer - and Ferraris owner, Fiat. <B>While all indicators still lean toward the Dino being a coupe-cabriolet with a folding hard-top, some bosses would prefer to launch the entry-level model as a berlinetta hard-top GTB first, followed soon after by a targa GTS</B>.<p>This would follow the trend set by the 246 Dino GT and GTS from 1968 and 1971, and the 308 GTB and GTS from 1975 and 1977. <p>Whatever is chosen, annual Dino <B>production is figured to be anywhere between 3,500 and 5,000 cars</B>, and Ferrari has actively sought partners to help lower and spread out the massive manufacturing costs. <B>One company involved is aluminium specialist Alcoa, who will be making the spaceframe chassis in a new facility in Modena, Italy. The outer shell will be constructed from carbon fibre</B>.<p>The new Dino started life as a Maserati in 2004. However, Ferrari's then sister firm changed its plans, deciding to develop a luxurious Quattroporte-based coup to rival the Mercedes CL instead. So Ferrari adopted the chassis and technology for the Dino.<p>Unlike the classic original, the newcomer will get a <B>front-mounted V8</B>. The unit is expected to be an <B>all-aluminum 90-degree 4.2-litre unit with around 480bhp</B>.<p>Inside, the Dino will be <B>the first Ferrari to get standard-fit satellite navigation</B>. The cabin promises to be practical, and alongside the carbon fibre trim shown, an aluminium finish will also be available. <B>Transmission options haven't been confirmed, but the paddleshifters are likely to control an automated manual</B>.<p><B>Aimed squarely at Porsche's 911 Turbo and Aston Martin's V8 Vantage</B>, the Dino will be <B>priced between 82.000GBP and 90.000GBP</B>. This will make the Ferrari badge more accessible, but will also <B>leave room for the F430 to move upmarket</B>. We can also <B>reveal plans to give that model a 550bhp 5.0-litre V10 by the end of 2008</B>. An all-new <B>replacement for the F430 is also already on the drawing board, and is scheduled for 2010</B>.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/204171/ferrari_420_dino.html" TARGET="_blank">AutoExpress</A><br> <br>

CosworthKid
12-07-2006, 08:33 AM
Porsche chops?

the1
12-07-2006, 08:38 AM
I'm almost certain the actual Dino won't look like a Cayman replica. It's far anyway, as it's supossed to be launched in 2009-2010.

Bass-o-Matic
12-07-2006, 09:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Porsche chops?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Really good ones, I think, if you compare the four exteriors. They did a good job of translating details consistently across all four views.

Dutchy
12-07-2006, 10:03 AM
I'm hoping Ferrari won't go lower than the F430. I think it would be unwise to create a peoples-ferrari and I think it would decrease the brands exclusivity. Even though it would probably be a good seller, I think it would be a bad idea. Why don't they concentrate on Challenge Stradale versions of the F430, 599 GTB and perhaps even the 612 Scaglietti? Or better yet, create a F70! (I don't think this last one will ever be made, instead I think they'd choose for an F75 in 2012)

against the wall
12-07-2006, 01:03 PM
didnt a ferrari exec himself repeatedly deny the dino last week at la?

the1
12-07-2006, 02:35 PM
Yes.

knicks125
02-25-2007, 07:36 AM
<A HREF="http://www.infomotori.com/a_16_IT_19282_2.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.infomotori.com/a_16_IT_19282_2.html</A>

Edoz
02-25-2007, 09:22 AM
<br>First sorry about my english.Well lets start i bet you didnt saw it coming when JAGUAR started making DEISELS or when porche made Cayenne.......Well so what maybe Ferrari will make new Dino so what let them you should learn by now that all of them look how to make more money nothing else. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dutchy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm hoping Ferrari won't go lower than the F430. I think it would be unwise to create a peoples-ferrari and I think it would decrease the brands exclusivity. Even though it would probably be a good seller, I think it would be a bad idea. Why don't they concentrate on Challenge Stradale versions of the F430, 599 GTB and perhaps even the 612 Scaglietti? Or better yet, create a F70! (I don't think this last one will ever be made, instead I think they'd choose for an F75 in 2012)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Edoz
02-25-2007, 04:02 PM
by the way dino looks to me like LOTUS <br>(Front)

the1
02-25-2007, 04:09 PM
It's ugly. I prefer the cgis that looked like a baby F430.

mick78
02-25-2007, 04:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's ugly. I prefer the cgis that looked like a baby F430.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Apart from that, Dinos were always mid engined, so this should be as well, if they're using the name. Usually, mid engined Ferraris were really handsome as well, unlike some of the front engine ones....

against the wall
07-11-2007, 10:46 AM
it exists!<p><A HREF="http://www.motorauthority.com/news/supercars/spy-shots-ferrari-test-mule-on-a-dyno" TARGET="_blank">http://www.motorauthority.com/...-dyno</A>/

protocatcher
07-11-2007, 11:06 AM
Thats an old pic showing the new Maserati CC ( spyder )

against the wall
07-11-2007, 11:21 AM
yeah i thought i'd seen that before. the tailpipes gave it away. i still believe it exists though, not giving up hope just yet.

DetroitWonk
08-15-2007, 09:57 AM
New mule pics of the Dino:<br><A HREF="http://jalopnik.com/cars/spy-photos/ferrari-dinomule-or-599-289780.php" TARGET="_blank">http://jalopnik.com/cars/spy-p...0.php</A><p>Ray

erzhik
08-15-2007, 02:30 PM
Didn't Ferrari say there is no way they will build a Dino? I remember reading an article about it.

against the wall
08-15-2007, 02:44 PM
well they dont have to call it dino...

Steve Neill
01-16-2008, 05:46 PM
New update at www.worldcarfans.com

I'm sick and tired of people saying "successor to the Dino".

First and foremost, the modern day F430 is the successor to the Dino.

Dino Ancestry goes as followed:

Dino 206
Dino 246
Ferrari 308
Ferrari 328
Ferrari 348
Ferrari F355
Ferrari 360
Ferrari F430

Maybe the reason why Ferrari keeps denying that they're making a new Dino is because they already have one out on the market, and they're making a smaller more affordable model that has absolutely NO past reference to the Dino Moniker?

Steve.

the cheddar
03-01-2008, 01:42 AM
Two things:

1. There are new spyshots on carscoop.com but their server isn't responding. Anyone have these shots hosted elsewhere?

2. Can we stop refering to this as a "Dino" (and change the thread name perhaps)? It's been completely explicit that this will not use that name (and legal docs seeking "California GT" have been confirmed). This is simply a different kind of car -- a 2+2 GT -- to Ferrari's current entry-level ride -- a true sports car. That it might come in $20k cheaper does not make it a cheap Ferrari!

Also, it seems this might be a de facto replacement for the 612. That will cease production soon and a less expensive version makes perfect sense (the premium priced V12 2+2 being less desireable than the similarly priced 599). Whatever the reasoning, the added volume and increased economies of scale will ensure profitability for whatever other models Ferrari has in the pipeline.

silver-arrow
03-01-2008, 03:20 AM
spy shots show a 2seater not a 2+2!
And its quite smaller than the 612...

so its probably a small front engined 2seater GT! a smaller 599...

AM2K
03-17-2008, 08:21 PM
New Ferrari Dino As Scale Model

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/3/17/9080317.001/9080317.001.Mini1L.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/3/17/9080317.001/9080317.001.Mini2L.jpg


Full Article can be read at: http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080317.001/new-ferrari-dino-as-scale-model

DavidC
03-18-2008, 09:04 AM
That looks tiny, almost like a T350C .

swizzle
03-18-2008, 03:08 PM
When I first saw the mule photos, I looked closely because my first reaction was that it looked like a Porsche 924 with bandages.

This will be a major score for Ferrari.

AM2K
04-04-2008, 01:25 PM
http://images.worldcarfans.com/2008/4/2/9080402.009/9080402.009.Mini3L.jpg

http://images.worldcarfans.com/2008/4/2/9080402.009/9080402.009.Mini5L.jpg


Ferrari Dino Spied Testing Again

The car that still officially doesn't exist was spied again. If you have not seen it yet, one of our spies caught the prototype Ferrari Dino while undergoing some testing on a track. This thing has been denied so many times by Ferrari, most recently by president Luca di Montezemolo and former CEO Jean Todt at the Geneva Motor Show. While at that show, the two did announce that a new Ferrari will debut in Paris later this year, but no further information was available.

What we do know, according to GrandPrixLegends, is that Mattel will distribute a scale model of the new Dino in 2008. What is still possible is that the car we think will be the next Ferrari Dino is actually a GT420 or 470. Believed to be based on the front engine Maserati GranTurismo, this new Ferrari likely has a V8 engine with 400 horsepower. Initial production will likely be of a coupe, with a convertible coming down the road. Pininfarina is speculated to be in charge of design. The spy shots show a prototype car so heavily padded, it may be meant to look like the mule caught by Automedia last September.

That car was based on the body of a Ferrari 599.

The name "Dino" holds special significance to the Ferrari family. Enzo Ferrari's son, Alfredino "Dino" Ferrari passed away in 1956 from muscular dystrophy. He was 24 years old. Enzo designed a Dino-badged car, produced from 1968 to 1976, with a V6 in the rear.

A new Ferrari Dino could cost anywhere between 100,000, on up to 115,000, pending final design and the current high Eurozone inflation rate. Some experts have said that Ferrari could sell 4,000 units of a new Dino annually once production is approved. If Ferrari can build a high quality Dino, but still maintain high margins, this car could significantly benefit Ferrari's bottom line. Expect to see this car on the road by 2009.


FURTHER PHOTO'S CAN BE VIEWED AT: http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080402.009/ferrari-dino-spied-testing-again

the cheddar
04-07-2008, 06:37 AM
Not sure if anyone else sees it but my eyes say this is a very, very small car relative to other sports cars of its caliber. It definitely looks bigger than a Miata but not all that much. If you can see through all that cladding, this is a narrow, tight little ride.

Ferrari's mini-Enzo design exercise shown last year may well have foretold where they're taking things. Given where emissions restrictions and fuel demand is going, I think Ferrari's probably ahead of the curve in adapting their products for the near future. Light weight -- through small size and advanced materials -- is the the best near-term way to limit emissions while maintaining a high-degree of performance (particularly handling). Kudos Ferrari.

swizzle
04-07-2008, 01:31 PM
...If they sell more than 4000 and become common cars, that myth will go away.. they will go a step lower... like Porsche... nice well engineered sport cars but nothing tooo special or unique

Oh really?

4000 units a year-even just one model-is hardly common. 4000 units among several models is quite exclusive.

So it's OK for Porsche to step on Ferrari/Lamborghini turf but not vice versa? I mean really?

The Dino is an ace move that if anything will advance Ferrari.

the cheddar
04-07-2008, 11:33 PM
If you live in a nice neighborhood in the Los Angles area, you know that "4000 units" means you'll see a tons of these cars running errands and commuting. In the Santa Monica area I see at least one or two and as many as and ten 360's and 430's every day. No overstatement.

Ferrari's stated strategy is to increase volume only by moving into new markets such as China and, imminently, India. But I can't imagine that applies to this car's additional sales. With over 3000 F430's being sold per year, their total volume will be pushing 10,000 in years to come. Still a very exclusive brand but growing a little close to "common" in upscale neighborhoods.

the cheddar
05-09-2008, 01:25 AM
If there was any question, it seems like the F149 has been confirmed as a hardtop convertible:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/ferrari-f149-spy-shots/

Question is, would this be a Berlinetta-Spyder? A Sperlinetter? Berlinyder? Syderletta?

Rob
05-09-2008, 05:09 PM
If there was any question, it seems like the F149 has been confirmed as a hardtop convertible:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/ferrari-f149-spy-shots/

I know the pics don't give loads away, but like any Ferrari should, it looks really, really nice.

the cheddar
05-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Looks like we can finally lay all this "Dino" speculation to rest too:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/09/ferrari-gt-heading-to-paris-teaser-site-launched/

www.ferrarigtcountdown.com

They're calling it a Ferrari GT for now, which probably speaks to its intended use rather than the actual name (although 470 GT California Spyder seems likely to my eyes). The F430 being the sportscar, this being more of a GT presumably.

hks786
05-10-2008, 03:14 PM
http://www.ferrarigtcountdown.com/webapp/hear.htm

Get on that link guys. You can hear the new car and soon they will add teaser pics too. Its going to be unveiled at Paris in september.

In between the sound clips I took some screen captures. Look below.

1. The new nose (matches spypics)
2. Rear bootlid (classic Ferrari)
3. New wheels (also in spypics)
4. Door handles and character line (again, in spypics)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/aaa.jpg

protocatcher
05-12-2008, 01:49 PM
New and better photos.

Enyoy

http://www.automobil.se/zino.aspx?articleID=11639

silver-arrow
05-12-2008, 02:14 PM
i dont like the IS-F exhaust tips....

CosworthKid
05-12-2008, 03:06 PM
With the camo on it looks like a Corvette, lol

Steve Neill
05-12-2008, 05:22 PM
Lucky me, I already know what the car is going to look like:grintoothless:

I could draw it if you guys reaaaaallly wanna see.

silver-arrow
05-12-2008, 05:58 PM
Lucky me, I already know what the car is going to look like:grintoothless:

I could draw it if you guys reaaaaallly wanna see.

how do u know? have u seen it?
are you a secret Ferrari insider?!!?!:P

Steve Neill
05-12-2008, 06:12 PM
how do u know? have u seen it?
are you a secret Ferrari insider?!!?!:P

ClunB99 could tell you.

As a designer, you begin to evaluate all visible points... and then structure them together thus creating a full picture of the completed car in your head with very little faults.

The only thing I am NOT sure of is a side vent.

swizzle
05-13-2008, 12:57 AM
I hope the tail is not that high relative to the greenhouse: ungainly!

Steve Neill
05-13-2008, 02:18 AM
I hope the tail is not that high relative to the greenhouse: ungainly!

It is. But it'll turn out good, you'll see;)

Ray
05-13-2008, 06:48 AM
After the Fiorano and the Scaglietti I wouldn't be too sure.

hks786
05-13-2008, 10:08 AM
ClunB99 could tell you.

As a designer, you begin to evaluate all visible points... and then structure them together thus creating a full picture of the completed car in your head with very little faults.

The only thing I am NOT sure of is a side vent.

You are so right when you say that. I feel like making a sketch of it myself. We have seen nearly everything of this car. We've seen teasers on the website and spypics showing things like the sideskirts, general proportions etc.

I'm not sure of the side-vent either, but looking at everything, I'm not 100% sure about the headlights either. Pretty much everything else has been shown, even the cool character lines on the door/side panels and the cool door handles ;)

hks786
05-13-2008, 10:25 AM
Check the front bumper and the new "IS-F" exhausts. They arent as bad as Lexus's hugee oval tips, so they might actually look good. Overall the car is looking very impressive.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/ferrari-gt-83.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/ferrari-gt-82.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/ferrari-gt-81.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/ferrari-gt-85.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/ferrari-gt-84.jpg

(pics are from the link above)

DetroitWonk
05-13-2008, 12:12 PM
Or you can just see the first three real photos of the new Ferrari California here:

http://jalopnik.com/389832/2009-ferrari-california-revealed

Ray

DoMiNo
05-13-2008, 04:34 PM
Please continue discussion in the official thread (http://www.carspyshots.net/showthread.php?t=15513). Grazie!

Andrus
12-16-2008, 08:21 PM
Ferrari California has been revealed a while ago.
It looks like Ferrari is working on something small again:
Ferrari Dino mule? (http://globalmotors.net/spy-shots-ferrari-dino-mule-spotted-in-germany/)

this looks to be a coupe not a convertible.

turbonium959
12-16-2008, 10:33 PM
Ferrari California has been revealed a while ago.
It looks like Ferrari is working on something small again:
Ferrari Dino mule? (http://globalmotors.net/spy-shots-ferrari-dino-mule-spotted-in-germany/)

this looks to be a coupe not a convertible.

I may not be entirely correct, but those pictures do look familiar. I believe it is an old mule for the California.