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viggen
02-17-2005, 11:27 AM
<A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/d/75333" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-sport.de/d/75333</A> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

viggen
02-17-2005, 12:31 PM
no it's a cheap photoshop. But it's about the text. I think it says that there will be a saab based on the chevrolet s3x. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
02-17-2005, 12:33 PM
that is expected, moving from the traiblazer based 9-7x to a car based one

Uberwagon
02-17-2005, 12:39 PM
This raises an interesting question: What is a real Saab? What constitutes authenticity, for any brand, in this age of market fragmentation and industry consolidation? <p>Business-wise, Saab is in a bad way right now. They need an SUV to fill a niche that will keep dealers and the franchise profitable (much like Porsche's Cayenne). The problem is, development is extraordinarily expensive and requires a donor platform, yet the brand's uniqueness comes from, well, it's quirky independence. <p>So what's a little Swedish brand to do? I wonder.

Santeno
02-17-2005, 12:50 PM
To answer your question, I think that the days of the independent general automaker are gone. In the future, I think you will see a handfull of mega-conglomerates producing a variety of brands, with little technical differentiation between them. Small independent manufacturers will be relegated to niche markets in which they excel at a particular type of product (Much like today's Lotus, Bufori and TVR). IMO, Saab suffers from being too big and too mainstream to be a succesful niche producer, yet at the same time it's too small to be a succesful volume brand. At it's current price range and volume it competes with today's midlevel luxury automakers, yet that market is domniated by a few brands that have very distinct products, that buyers are willing to pay a premium for (and those buyers are very demanding). Sadly, quirckiness is not a value that is highly sought after if it isn't accompanied with some really solid strengths. That IMO, is where Saab falls short. It might have quirckiness down pat, but it really hasn't offered a product that competes succesfully with the competition in quite some time.

knicks125
02-17-2005, 12:56 PM
There probably isn't a better answer than that. Well said, Santeno <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Everybody is buying off of each other, merging, conslidation, takeover, soon or later, there's only going to be a few automakers left, each with a bunch of different brands and divisions within.

Hornbag
02-18-2005, 12:06 AM
What eva happened to the the Saabaro SUV based on that hideous Subaru SUV/MPV?

Laguna
02-18-2005, 02:30 AM
This could be the 9-3 Estate 4X4.

mzoltarp
02-18-2005, 06:27 AM
One has to wonder if GM is so into rebadging Daewoos as Chevys in Europe and the a lesser extent the USA, whether or not the possible Saab SUV will be sourced from Korea? Saab's problem is one of not having product, which necessitated badge engineering. The proposed small Cadillac built off the 93/Vectra platform will be a success and could be an amazing hit in the USA if imported as a full-on sport sedan and not as a mini barge. That should keep the plants open long enough for GM to do something more creative with SAAB. They need to improve stuyling, and sharply reduce cost. A Saab 93 convertible is as expensive as a BMW 3 series convertible and yet one drive will demonstrate that the Saab is worth at least 10k less. Saab was purchased sick by GM and GM has neglected it.

sc43018
02-18-2005, 08:51 AM
I think the little Saab looks amazing..... but you know how people feel about their saab story, either you love it or you hate (and i love this one)

Uberwagon
02-18-2005, 09:46 PM
Santeno, I could not sum up the state of the business today better. Cheers dude.<p>However, I think the most interesting, and perhaps most unfortunate, aspect of your observation is that all of those things labeled "in the future..." are already happening right now, today. The only smaller manufacturers making a go of things are the ones that have either sold out (are owned by a large holding company) or are willing to compromise their core brand values (building vehicles outside of their core capabilities). Perhaps this is just a necessary fact of survival today. In any case, I think your assessment of Saab is dead on and most unfortunate: They are both owned by the large holding company AND developing cars outside of their central talents, putting the appeal of their brand and the uniqueness of their product in jeopardy. Saab's future: Decidedly uncertain. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
02-18-2005, 09:52 PM
I think Hornbag raises a good point. If there is indeed going to be a Saab SUV based on the Daewoo S3X, what will happen to the rumoured SUV based on the Subaru B9 Tribeca?

Hornbag
02-18-2005, 10:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Hornbag raises a good point. If there is indeed going to be a Saab SUV based on the Daewoo S3X, what will happen to the rumoured SUV based on the Subaru B9 Tribeca?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly. I mean Saab had input into the Tribeca, and are still suposed to be devoloping a similar car, based on the same platform. So then, why bring a Daewoo and do the same??? Its pointless, as they are of a similar size. Also, the Tribeca is of a more premium standard, whereas the Daewoo is exectly that, a Daewoo. Saab have had no imput on the Daewoo, so all they would do is place a saab grille on it and charge about 20-40 thousand $$$$$ more?

Laguna
02-19-2005, 08:42 AM
20-40 thousand $$$$. This could be the Saab 9-3 4X4. Thats what I think.

nismo
02-19-2005, 01:36 PM
The Theta platform is smaller than the Tribeca or the 9-6x. This would be a X3, Freelander, and RDX competitor. If done right it could be nice... SAAB styling, turbo engines, SAAB safety, on the Theta platform. SAAB has to go into it like Volvo does make do with what you've got. Call it 9-4x and maybe it'll do good...

Tidal
02-19-2005, 05:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sc43018</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the little Saab looks amazing..... but you know how people feel about their saab story, either you love it or you hate (and i love this one)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm on the " i'll believe it when i see it " camp. I guess this ( rebadging ) is cheaper then focusing on replacing their core products, like the 9-5. And i'm still waiting to see the new style direction they've been talking about. Maybe it went away with Michael Maur <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">