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boston
02-17-2005, 09:53 AM
A friend of mine spotted a strange machine on a flatbed at at rest <br>stop on 95 in CT yesterday, <p>It was brand new, wrapped in plastic and had a landrover badge. Front <br>end looked LR3ish with the compound headlights, but back end was very <br>square and had an extrernal roll cage and like an NAS 110<p>he asked the truck driver what it was. All he knew was it was brand <br>new and the bill of lading called it a "defender 97", but it was <br>definatley not a '97 D90.<p>Anyone have any ideas, could this have been a prototype federalized <br>defender? and if so whats it doing on a flatbed in Connecticut?<p>Waiting for pics. <br>2007MY was touted as the return year for the defender to the US market.<br>

Santeno
02-17-2005, 12:58 PM
It's definitely not a federalized Defender. LR has already said that they will not be spending the money necessary to do that. there is however an importer who recently obtained permission to import defenders as knock-down kits (so they don't have to be federalized).

JBlair
02-17-2005, 01:01 PM
Interesting. What if someone is making one-off 'defenders' based on the LR3?

bolita
02-17-2005, 01:51 PM
I was wondering if it was a 2 door...maybe a prototype of the upcoming US only 2 dr "Defender" being shown to customer clinics <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Will be cool to get some pix! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
02-17-2005, 04:55 PM
That is going to be a problem for Land Rover; the short wheel base version is going to be tough to make on the LR3 platform. <p>And are they going to make a vehicle for Afrika or America? There's a great article in 4car (www.channel4.com/4car) about Land Rovers on the dark continent. Every garage can fix them and spares are available everywhere. You can't do that with an LR3.

mzoltarp
02-18-2005, 06:31 AM
How much parts sharing exists between the LR3 and the Ford Explorer? If you look at them side by side, the cut lines of the doors look very much alike. Makes you wonder if the Explorer update will have a lot of LR3 parts to drive unit costs down.

bolita
02-18-2005, 07:02 AM
Not much at all... In fact according to LR the 4.0LV6 unit used in the LR is a 24V unit and the one in the Explorer is a 12Valve unit... unless the facelifted Explorer incorporates a 24valve engine..<p>In any case the transmission and electronics are completely different.<p>I really believe that LR should or could have 2 distinct Defenders and upscale lifestyle model for the US and Europe and a classic or tough version for rest of world and military applications...

pcread
02-18-2005, 07:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I really believe that LR should or could have 2 distinct Defenders and upscale lifestyle model for the US and Europe and a classic or tough version for rest of world and military applications...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Guess which one I'd drive? I reckon there'll be a lot of machismo involved and guys buying the 'man's Defender'. If you want a soft off-road ride, buy an LR3.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by pcread at 6:27 AM 2/18/2005</i>

pelyma
02-28-2005, 02:42 AM
There is a thread on LROI about a short wheel base Disco3 looking car - only 2 door not 4 with no 2nd row of seats. Could it be the same car or a new 90? Have you any pictures yet?

bolita
02-28-2005, 10:29 AM
Is the thread based on a spotting as stated above? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
02-28-2005, 02:37 PM
From what I've read elsewhere, a 90 isn't likely. The next Defender will most likely be on the LR3 platform and therefore not easily SWBable. And if the next Freelander is only going to be in the longer version, I hold no real great hope for a short Defender either. Shame.

Superfresa
02-28-2005, 05:13 PM
I'm sure they'll have one. It's the best selling Defender of the 3. I'm sure they'll solve it somehow (or at least expect so)

hokman
03-01-2005, 01:23 AM
defender... is this the one based on the 1950's design? that's the best land rover

pcread
03-01-2005, 04:04 AM
'50's? try 1948.<p>I agree that the SWB is a brilliant car. Ideal urban SUV. It's just that that LR3 "integrated body-frame" is going to be a pig to cut down.

pelyma
03-01-2005, 07:20 AM
Bolita, yes it has been seen several times in the UK in the same area (lake district). First by an enthusiasts wife and then by himself. it also has got this response from another poster:<p>With ref to a SWB Disco...have a good friend who is really in the know (no names no pack drill)who states that there is no such vehicle about.unless this is so secret that only special services are dealing with.the only road going test bed machine about at present is the "new Defender",in various disguises...<br>The "New Defender" is to have a wild..fantastic new g/box/transfer box..8 FORWARD ..AND 3 REVERSE.....<br>There is also a new PRODUCTION rag top Rangie to come out,with a 4.2 DIESEL engine,out drag a 4.6 petrol and just slightly down from 150mph..<br>Watch this space...<p>Now I don't know if it is a wind up (this last post) but the sighting is for real.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by pelyma at 6:26 AM 3/1/2005</i>

bolita
03-01-2005, 07:42 AM
Thanks for the info. As the post says "SWB Disco.." I really expect the styling to be distinct to that of the D III A modernized Defender retro style would be what I would like! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
03-11-2005, 05:01 AM
from <A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.com</A>:<br><I>Freelander Outranks Defender <p>Meanwhile Taylor adds that work on a Defender replacement has moved down the priority list since the company has found ways of building the existing model less expensively. At about 25,000 units a year the Defender produces a nice profit, and redesigning it to make it U.S. crash-worthy once more would entail much higher costs than continuing with the existing vehicle, he says. A much higher priority is the replacement for the Freelander, due in Europe, where it's a mainstay for Land Rover dealers, just a little outside a year from now. The U.S. version of the Freelander is at least 18 months away, however. -Marty Padgett <br></I><br>Sigh

bolita
03-11-2005, 11:36 AM
Well, that gives them more time to get it right <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>In the meantime I hope the modernize the powertrain with more efficient and powerful engines!!!!!!! (read TDV6!)

Superfresa
03-12-2005, 07:15 PM
I think that is the correct desition. The Freelander is getting old now, and buyers of these vehicles look for modern cars. Instead Defender owners give pretty much the same. For now. So after the Freelander is the correct moment to work on it. <p>I hope they use the 2.7 PAG/PSA diesel engine and a new, (maybe lower level than the 4.4) V8 petrol, or a V6 but very torquey and powerful. They have arooundabouts 5 years to plan that....

meh130
03-14-2005, 10:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is going to be a problem for Land Rover; the short wheel base version is going to be tough to make on the LR3 platform. <p>It's just that that LR3 "integrated body-frame" is going to be a pig to cut down.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Land Rover already cut the platform down about 10 inches for the Range Rover Sport. The LR3 and RRS are not unibodies like the Range Rover and Freelander. They, along with the next generation Defender share the underlying T5 platform. The T5 is designed to support different wheelbase lengths, and possible different suspensions. LR3 and RRS are body on frame designs, but the bodies connects to the frame much more securely to give the stiffness of a unibody.<p>I agree there is unlikely to be a 90" wheelbase next generation Defender. However, the next generation defender will not necessarily be limited to the 117" wheelbase of the LR3.<p>There could be two models of the next generation Defender, one using the 106" wheelbase of RRS, and another the 117" wheelbase of the LR3, or one or more custom wheelbase lengths could be developed.<br>

JagZ
03-16-2005, 08:58 PM
Is this the 2007 Defender? Probably not.<p><A HREF="http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_page_723.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thelandroverchronic...3.htm</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_pa2448.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_pa2451.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_pa2449.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_pa2452.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_pa2450.gif" BORDER="0"><p>

sc43018
03-17-2005, 03:58 PM
i hope not.... that is the ugliest land rover i have ever seen (any car for that matter)

GerjurdKing
03-17-2005, 06:15 PM
It looks like a concept of like 10 years ago. Something that could have been used as an extra in the movie Demolition Man....

Superfresa
03-17-2005, 07:36 PM
That's the Land Rover Flame Concept, from Brazil. You can tell it's a normal defender 90 with a freelander grill/Bumper section, an added piece and 20" Rims. Nothing to do with the 2007 Defender.

Grande Espace
03-18-2005, 08:09 AM
There will be a new Defender coming out in 2007