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Chris_Doane
02-16-2005, 04:09 PM
Keep in mind this is a pretty early prototype:<br><A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosconsumer/0502/09/F03-84029.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/2005/au...9.htm</A>

Ascariss
02-16-2005, 04:11 PM
here is the pic:<p><A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/02/09/0drive/dr09-SneakPeek-0205n_02-09-2005_KN47HDO.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/pix/200...O.jpg</A><p>just click that, save some time.

jjazz0092002
02-16-2005, 04:18 PM
Looks more like a mazda!<br>

03ggelement
02-16-2005, 04:24 PM
It looks awfully small and why does it have sliding doors?

Ascariss
02-16-2005, 04:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jjazz0092002</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks more like a mazda!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's a mule, and a lincoln if it came from the Lincoln center, but if it didn't it might be the mazda that was at NAIAS 05, the red one. But again we'll need more info chris.

Charger
02-16-2005, 04:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>03ggelement</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It looks awfully small and why does it have sliding doors?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>This is just a prototype and they dont want anyone to know any details about the car.

jro4566
02-16-2005, 04:28 PM
Here's 2 takes on this...<p>-Either this is a mule of the next-generation MPV testing on a new platform (which would explain why the ground clearance is pretty high)<p>-Or this is the next-generation Aviator testing a new platform disguised as the current-generation MPV

Nick
02-16-2005, 04:50 PM
it looks like it has a cadillac grill

Chris_Doane
02-16-2005, 04:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It's a mule, and a lincoln if it came from the Lincoln center, but if it didn't it might be the mazda that was at NAIAS 05, the red one. But again we'll need more info chris.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Unfortunately I dont have any. I didn't shoot this one and just noticed it while looking around their site. Seems like no one noticed this one when it was published last week (feb 9) Every once in a while the Det News mis-identifies a car. Might be what happened here or it might just be a well disguised drivetrain mule.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Explorer_97 at 7:08 PM 2/16/2005</i>

Ascariss
02-16-2005, 05:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Explorer_97</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Unfortunately I dont have any. I didn't shoot this one and just noticed it while looking around their site. Seems like no one noticed this one when it was published last week (feb 9) Every once in a while the Det News mis-identifies a car. Might be what happened here or it might just be a well disguised drivetrain mule.<p><br><i>Modified by Explorer_97 at 7:08 PM 2/16/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks for the info. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
02-16-2005, 05:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Explorer_97</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Unfortunately I dont have any. I didn't shoot this one and just noticed it while looking around their site. Seems like no one noticed this one when it was published last week (feb 9) Every once in a while the Det News mis-identifies a car. Might be what happened here or it might just be a well disguised drivetrain mule.<p><br><i>Modified by Explorer_97 at 7:08 PM 2/16/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I noticed the date as well. It seems they forgot to put it on the Sneak Peeks page with all the other spy shots. I check this site every week and never saw this.

Andre
02-16-2005, 06:14 PM
Mazda should take a hint:<p>This mule looks better than the actual MPV! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This IS a Lincoln unless Mazda has gone to putting Lincoln wheels onto its Mules (of course, why they still have to use Aviator rims is beyond me) All they have done is jimmied a Mazda MPV body onto the new Aiator's frame.

Charger
02-22-2005, 11:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Shrinking Lincoln<br>There's been a lot of industry buzz about the reshaping of Lincoln into something less than a true luxury brand. Well, a look at the 2007 Aviator adds fuel to that debate. The model is based on a small Mazda chassis--almost nothing that you see in this vehicle is Lincoln. But underneath is an upscale V6 engine, four-wheel drive and all the chassis control amenities of a luxury crossover. The Aviator will downsize but it will not simply be a modified version of the Ford Freestyle. Instead, Lincoln will borrow heavily from the small Mazda van chassis and build an all-new appearance. Two keys to identifying this early test vehicle are the wider fender openings that accept larger wheels and the wheels themselves, lifted from the current Aviator design.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: PM

against the wall
02-22-2005, 12:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it looks like it has a cadillac grill</TD></TR></TABLE><br>thats the grill from the restyled mpv. and unless its good camo it still looks like a circular mazda logo under that cover thing

JBlair
02-22-2005, 12:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Shrinking Lincoln<br>There's been a lot of industry buzz about the reshaping of Lincoln into something less than a true luxury brand. Well, a look at the 2007 Aviator adds fuel to that debate. The model is based on a small Mazda chassis--almost nothing that you see in this vehicle is Lincoln. But underneath is an upscale V6 engine, four-wheel drive and all the chassis control amenities of a luxury crossover. The Aviator will downsize but it will not simply be a modified version of the Ford Freestyle. Instead, Lincoln will borrow heavily from the small Mazda van chassis and build an all-new appearance. Two keys to identifying this early test vehicle are the wider fender openings that accept larger wheels and the wheels themselves, lifted from the current Aviator design.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats almost completely wrong. This shares nothing with any Mazda 'small van chassis'. It's based on the 6 platform and shares a majority of its components with the Fusion/Zephyr/Milan.

Charger
02-22-2005, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats almost completely wrong. This shares nothing with any Mazda 'small van chassis'. It's based on the 6 platform and shares a majority of its components with the Fusion/Zephyr/Milan. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I was just quoting Popular Mechanics

JBlair
02-26-2005, 12:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was just quoting Popular Mechanics</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know. I wasn't commenting on your post, but what PM said.

StevenZoz
09-02-2005, 10:39 PM
there will not be a 2006 aviator... lincoln has stopped production of it... i guess until they introduce the new model.

The Water Is Poison
09-03-2005, 06:01 AM
<br>Why would Lincoln stop production? Its a pretty big seller, around here anyway.

StevenZoz
09-03-2005, 09:25 AM
are you kidding? in the tri-state area i barely see them at all. but i do know that sales have been slow basically because its another explorer clone. so thats probably the main reason why.

synthesis
09-03-2005, 12:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you kidding? in the tri-state area i barely see them at all. but i do know that sales have been slow basically because its another explorer clone. so thats probably the main reason why.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I definitely wouldn't call it an explorer "clone." I can think of many vehicles pairings that have far more in common than the Aviator and Explorer. Tahoe and Yukon are clones, and the Montego and 500 are certainly clones. But in regards to the Aviator and Explorer (pre 06), the interiors were entirely different, they had different engines, and unique exteriors. If this constitutes a clone, then Kelly Osbourne and Eva Longoria are clones.

StevenZoz
09-03-2005, 12:48 PM
the kind of clone im refering to is more the envoy/trailblazer/ascender/9-7x/bravada clone.

knicks125
10-09-2005, 06:19 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_07_Lincoln_Aviator.S178.A9431.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The first pictures of the 2007 Aviator wearing its production sheetmetal have been taken - and the Aviator is shaping up quite similar to the new Ford Edge we showed you two weeks ago on TCC.<p>Riding on the new CD3 platform, the Aviator will compete with the likes of Acura's MDX and the Lexus RX. It will likely be powered by a new 3.5-liter V-6 with 245 horsepower, with other engine options to follow.<p>The Aviator will begin production in August of 2006 in Oakville , Ont., alongside its sibling, Ford's new Edge. And although the profile may look like the Edge, there are many exterior differences in the front and back. With clearly unique styling, the Aviator carries the concept's taillight design across the back of the tailgate, and incorporates many Lincoln cues up front in its grille and headlamps. <p>Front-wheel drive will be standard, with an all-wheel-drive version also available.</TD></TR></TABLE>

caarmike
10-09-2005, 07:03 PM
Looks like they've done another Zephyr on us. Show us a great, and realistic, concept and then give us a Ford clone with a Lincoln grille. Even thought its that cool mesh grille instead of the waterfall, I still think this sucks.

against the wall
10-09-2005, 07:25 PM
yea ford should be more like dcx, make their concepts production virtually unchanged (a la 300c, magnum, durango, and from a while back the commander concept turned into the new gc)

erzhik
10-09-2005, 07:46 PM
Lincoln makes truly great looking cars. I am sure this will be good too. Current Aviator looks so nice.

against the wall
10-09-2005, 07:52 PM
the current aviator took no effort to design so there really isnt anything special about it. seems as if the designer replaced the ford logos with lincoln logos.

JBlair
10-09-2005, 09:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the current aviator took no effort to design so there really isnt anything special about it. seems as if the designer replaced the ford logos with lincoln logos.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Took more effort than you'd think, especially on the exterior. You can obviously tell it was based on an explorer, but it was most definitely NOT a simple re-badge job like you say.

autodanse
10-09-2005, 09:41 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.jwfisher.com/sec-ford/FMC-concepts-prototypes-showcars/lincoln_aviator/LINCOLN6.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>oh god, they REALLY messed with the original concept. those tail lights look just about as luxurious as the zephyrs' <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by autodanse at 10:37 PM 10/9/2005</i>

Philsshon
10-10-2005, 04:54 AM
you can tell this through the cover? I think they stayed more true to the concept, than with the Zepher. I'll reserve Judgement until I see it in the steel. :)

mkco
10-10-2005, 07:09 AM
I saw this vehicle yesterday in the parking lot of my health club. Didn't have my camera, unfortunately. I'm not an SUV guy at all, but I must admit, it looked pretty appealing.

knicks125
10-10-2005, 02:25 PM
The next Aviator will not be very different than its sibling, the Edge, from Ford but I'd expect more difference than the current pair of the Aviator and the Explorer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
10-12-2005, 10:37 AM
<A HREF="http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/400/cimg1070a0is.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img189.imageshack.us/im...s.jpg</A><p>autoblog

Rugbyplaya91
10-12-2005, 07:53 PM
raawwwwwrr.

StevenZoz
10-20-2005, 07:21 PM
<A HREF="http://motortrend.com/future/spied/112_0510_spy_2007_lincoln_aviator_l.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://motortrend.com/future/s...l.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://motortrend.com/future/spied/112_0510_spy_2007_lincoln_aviator95z.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://motortrend.com/future/s...z.jpg</A><p>Looking quite a bit like the concept we first saw at the 2004 Detroit Auto Show, the new Aviator boasts a smaller, sleeker profile outside, with two rows of adjustable seating and a host of aviation styled design cues inside. Built on the CD3 platform shared with the Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, and Lincoln Zephyr, the new Aviator has been redesigned as a sport wagon, rather than traditional SUV, targeting the Lexus RX 330. Power will be provided by a 3.5-liter/245-horsepower V-6 mated to a six-speed automatic transmission. Its rear taillight treatment is intriguing, but beyond that, it looks quite similar to its future platformmate, the Ford Edge.<p>SOURCE: MT

Chris_Doane
11-16-2005, 10:12 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103616" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103616</A><p>The bottom 3 photos on the page with a look at the interior.

Nodnarb
11-16-2005, 11:34 AM
What's wrong with the American manufacturers lately? It's probably to early to judge, but based on these pics the Edge looks to have a nicer interior than the Lincoln. Much like the disputed Tahoe vs. Escalade. There shouldn't even be debate on this. I guess it says a lot about their lower end interiors, though.

Chris_Doane
11-16-2005, 12:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nodnarb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but based on these pics the Edge looks to have a nicer interior than the Lincoln.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yea after seeing them in person, I would very much agree with you. The Edge door panels are certainly much nicer.

Dodger
11-16-2005, 02:34 PM
The Aviator interior is not very daring at all, comparing it to the Zephyr. <p>The passenger dash is one huge piece of wood which might be a little over the top.

caarmike
11-16-2005, 06:00 PM
The Aviator interior looks like a softer version of Lincoln's new approach to dashes. It certainly isn't as distinct as the Zephyr dash but it may be more user friendly and not go out of style as quick.

synthesis
11-17-2005, 01:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Aviator interior is not very daring at all, comparing it to the Zephyr. <p>The passenger dash is one huge piece of wood which might be a little over the top.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>agreed. why didn't divide that piece into two sections, one of wood and the other of aluminum/leather/plastic

autodanse
11-17-2005, 08:08 AM
wow! one giant block of wood? thats awesome!<p>still, it better be real if it's going to be that prominent. does the zephyr have real wood? that'd be a pretty good indication

Hornbag
11-18-2005, 04:00 AM
I like the Ford inside better actually. Make the tops of the air con vents sharp (aka BA/BF Falcon) and it will look much better. They juts need to keep everything clean-edge inside, not rounded...

jwfisher
11-20-2005, 06:30 PM
Interesting new Aviator... but I am going to miss the old one. It was more than the ultimate Explorer... it actually worked very well and was a much more satisfying drive than the Explorer.<br>

Chris_Doane
11-20-2005, 06:56 PM
New pics:<br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_07_Lincoln_Aviator.S178.A9431.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A><p>Pretty good look at the new Lincoln family grill

StevenZoz
11-21-2005, 04:41 AM
i think we've already seen those pics?

62Lincoln
12-28-2005, 08:03 AM
New teaser photo of headlight area and part of grill, it shows the return of the eggcrate for some Lincoln models as mentioned by Horbury: <p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com</A>/

against the wall
12-28-2005, 08:10 AM
sooo im guessing lincoln is using the eggcrate grille on all their suv's and the waterfall(ish) grille on the sedans?

knicks125
12-28-2005, 08:20 AM
Here is the official press release:<p><A HREF="http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=22255&make_id=trust" TARGET="_blank">http://media.ford.com/article_...trust</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With a unique two-part optics package, Ford¬Ěs new Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS), allows drivers to see better around curves in the road than they do with current cornering systems. AFS is among the advanced lighting technologies being unveiled on three Ford Motor Company concept vehicles at the 2006 North American International Auto Show. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Photos can be downloaded there...

against the wall
12-28-2005, 08:27 AM
where can u download pics?

Charger
12-28-2005, 09:36 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.blueovalnews.com/images/AdaptiveLighting1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: bon<p><A HREF="http://www.blueovalnews.com/index.php?categoryid=12&p2_articleid=73" TARGET="_blank">http://www.blueovalnews.com/in...id=73</A>

Rugbyplaya91
12-28-2005, 10:44 AM
that's actually kind of cool.

LEXUS FAN!
12-28-2005, 02:37 PM
isn't that the same thing Lexus, BMW, and others have already?

SV
12-28-2005, 02:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">isn't that the same thing Lexus, BMW, and others have already?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>according to the article it brings some new features to the active headlight concept...

62Lincoln
12-28-2005, 03:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">isn't that the same thing Lexus, BMW, and others have already?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Read the link. No, it isn't.

goldsuv
12-28-2005, 04:12 PM
Yes it is, read the link, the AFS system they are talking about is being introduced on concept cars, not the 2007 Aviator. The Aviator has a conventional cornering front light technology.

DSC-OFF
12-28-2005, 04:31 PM
I dont believe 62Lincoln mentioned anything about this being installed on the 07 Aviator (its only strictly a study on a concept car for 2006). And yes it is different from other conventional adaptive headlamp systems, it has no moving parts, it comprises of an aligned set of LEDs that have a fixed position (varying aims from front to corner) operating according to the vehicles position

ROCKETMAN
12-28-2005, 11:28 PM
Oh no, not the eggcrate grille! Th3e waterfall would have looked sooo much better.<br>It makes the car look old. Both in design, and personality of the car. SHould have really stuckj with the sleek miodern waterfall look.

against the wall
12-29-2005, 07:29 AM
but as i said before, i think the waterfall grille is for the sedans and the eggcrate is for the suvs. but then theres the mark lt, but that was a mistake to begin with...

SV
12-29-2005, 09:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but as i said before, i think the waterfall grille is for the sedans and the eggcrate is for the suvs. but then theres the mark lt, but that was a mistake to begin with...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i think all lincolns are switching to the eggcrate, since mercury also has waterfall grilles.

against the wall
12-29-2005, 09:17 AM
if they are all switching to the eggcrate, then why is this new concept have a waterfall and same with the zephyr.

SV
12-29-2005, 10:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if they are all switching to the eggcrate, then why is this new concept have a waterfall and same with the zephyr.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh yeah, good point. i guess you're right, although in the case of the zephyr i figured it was simply too late in the development process for lincoln to put a new grille on it. that concept has another bar running horizontally through it though...which is good, because i don't think lincoln and mercury should have the same corporate grille, it just doesn't really make sense.

62Lincoln
12-29-2005, 10:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if they are all switching to the eggcrate, then why is this new concept have a waterfall and same with the zephyr.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Peter Horbury has stated that new Lincolns will have both the waterfall and the eggcrate. I think he said the eggcrate will be for vehicles that are more sporting/lifestyle (maybe SUV's and crossover's), and the waterfall will be for more formal vehicles.

against the wall
12-29-2005, 10:45 AM
the lincoln and mercury waterfall grilles are somewhat different though<br>mercury:<IMG SRC="http://www.cars.com/features/mvp/ford/freestar/images/31.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>lincoln:<IMG SRC="http://www.edmunds.com/media/advice/specialreports/ford.future/lincoln.zephyr.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>the mercury grille seems to go straight down and it is a thin horizontal bar. the new lincoln waterfall grille seems to have thicker horizontal bars and they are tilted towards the center (logo). they are not exactly the same but they are similar.

caarmike
12-29-2005, 03:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if they are all switching to the eggcrate, then why is this new concept have a waterfall and same with the zephyr.</TD></TR></TABLE>If you look closely at the new concept you can actually see grille bars running both ways, kind of a hybrid of the waterfall and the eggcrate.

jwfisher
01-01-2006, 12:49 PM
I was glad to see that the Aviator ended up with a normal rear window... versus the Murano-like rear window the spy pics (and disguise) suggested). This is a handsome vehicle... more so than the Edge IMHO.

Chris_Doane
01-01-2006, 05:33 PM
This vehicle will actually NOT be wearing the "Aviator" badge.

roadster2006
01-01-2006, 06:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CD-BP</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This vehicle will actually NOT be wearing the "Aviator" badge.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Whats your source?

against the wall
01-01-2006, 06:48 PM
thats kind of odd that according to cd-bp this wont be wearing the aviator badge. the concept version was called the aviator. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>edit: this is gonna be called the aviator. it says on the rear of the car in the teaser pic.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by yanksrule26 at 9:16 PM 1/1/2006</i>

Chris_Doane
01-01-2006, 07:28 PM
Trust me, it's NOT going to be called Aviator even though it WAS badged that in the teaser pic.<p>I can tell you what it's called on Sunday Jan 8th at 12:01am<br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>Edit: Ooops make that Monday Jan 9th at 12:01am<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CD-BP at 7:36 PM 1/1/2006</i>

against the wall
01-01-2006, 07:30 PM
can you give us a hint?

Chris_Doane
01-01-2006, 07:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can you give us a hint?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well not really. Embargoes are embargoes.

Andre
01-01-2006, 07:39 PM
While I've been wrong a lot recently, I'm going to trust CD-BP for two reasons... he's shot the majority of the spy shots you guys have seen and he works for Brenda Priddy and company (CD-BP = Chris Doane - Brenda Priddy and company). Just for those reasons I'm sure he has some good sources, even the engineers themselves will speak to someone who they feel to be harmless, they might not provide answers, but drop hints (such as, if you ask the engineer if he's driving an Aviator he would say no, only because it's changing names). I have no clue what chris's source is, but since Chris himself is a source for this website, I won't question his source.<p>I hope I didn't confuse anybody<p>Quite frankly, considering the Aviator was not well accepted, I think it would behoove Lincoln to drop the name, so that's another reason I'm going to believe him.

against the wall
01-01-2006, 07:45 PM
yea i never really thought about the non acception of the current aviator so i guess lincoln should change the name.

rwcmick
01-01-2006, 11:27 PM
MKX<p>source: autonews

Chris_Doane
01-01-2006, 11:33 PM
Hah well yep, there is all you need to know:<br><A HREF="http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060102/SUB/51229028/1023&refsect=FRONTPAGE" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autonews.com/apps/p...TPAGE</A><p><br>I figured it would get out there before the embargo one way or the other.

knicks125
01-02-2006, 06:24 AM
[<I>thread title changed</I>]<p>Does MKX mean anything, or did they just draw some letters out of a hat?<br>

cuisinek
01-02-2006, 06:57 AM
MK = mark, X = awd, 4x4, suv, crossover ??????

mzoltarp
01-02-2006, 07:28 AM
Thhis is another thing where the manufacturer thinks that putting on a new name will result in massive sales. There is nothing wrong with Continental, Zephyr, etc. if the car it's on is is great car. I like MKX better than Aviator, however.<br>

GoLeafsGO
01-02-2006, 10:57 AM
Oh well, I'm in the minority for liking the Aviator name. Not to mention, Lincoln needs to generate some buzz about their new SUV, and with alphabet soup dominating the US market (particulalry SUVs - RX330, ML350, FX35, Q6, LR3 ack, X5 and excruciatingly close MDX) I don't know how many non-car folks will spot an MKX on the road and remember the name or manufacturer. Words we already know tend to be a little easier to remember. Hasn't hurt all the others' sales, but they're not fighting the uphill battle for attention that Lincoln faces. <p>When is the photo embargo over?

against the wall
01-02-2006, 11:01 AM
why not just call it mark x? its not hard to pronounce, its short, and its non a mumble-jumble of letters.

knicks125
01-02-2006, 11:05 AM
Jan. 9th I believe.<p>I am with you on the Aviator name. I didn't see anything wrong with Lincoln keeping the name despite what the article had mentioned.

knicks125
01-02-2006, 11:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just call it mark x? its not hard to pronounce, its short, and its non a mumble-jumble of letters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Does Toyota have Mark X trademarked here in NA?

Chris_Doane
01-02-2006, 11:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just call it mark x? its not hard to pronounce, its short, and its non a mumble-jumble of letters.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>While it will be badged MKX, apparenty it will be spoken "Mark X."

jlaidler
01-02-2006, 12:03 PM
quote from autoweek<p>"We think it's important to build the brand image, so changing to this alpha system really helps put Lincoln more in the spotlight as a brand," spokeswoman Sara Tatchio said. "It also indicates a certain level of luxury."<p>The suits are well and truly in charge at Lincoln....

Pavilion
01-02-2006, 12:23 PM
Since it is a crossover vehicle, it would have been much cooler to have been xmk for Cross-Mark.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

wallabyguy
01-02-2006, 12:26 PM
calling the Aviator the "mark x" is a slap in the face to the Mark series (ending most recently with the Mark VII). The Mark LT was bad enough but this really stinks. I think Ford will look back and regret this as it will make any forthcoming coupe more difficult to brand. Short sighted.

62Lincoln
01-02-2006, 12:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wallabyguy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">calling the Aviator the "mark x" is a slap in the face to the Mark series (ending most recently with the <B>Mark VII</B>). </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mark VIII.

anonms
01-02-2006, 01:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does Toyota have Mark X trademarked here in NA?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If they ain't gonna be selling it here, why would they trademark it here?<p>Or perhaps they did, which would explain the use of "MKX". But that's highly unlikely.

bamboozeled05
01-02-2006, 01:15 PM
Well I think Lincoln has had the mark nameplate trade marked here for a lot longer and could easily win in a legal battle over the name. and convertible they showed in 04 was called the mark x so they must have some sort of a claim on the name<br>

anonms
01-02-2006, 01:48 PM
Well, I don't think Ford was anticipating there could be any possible legal battles.<br>Yet I am still very baffled as to why Ford didn't just go with "Mark X". It's not like there's many Americans who know that the Mark X is a Toyota RWD sedan in Japan. I don't think Toyota would sue Ford over something like this.

Bass-o-Matic
01-02-2006, 04:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jlaidler</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">quote from autoweek<p>"We think it's important to build the brand image, so changing to this alpha system really helps put Lincoln more in the spotlight as a brand," spokeswoman Sara Tatchio said. "It also indicates a certain level of luxury."<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hhhhmmmmmmmmm... Does anybody else remember almost the exact same rationalization for Acura to drop the Legend name for alpha-numerics? Maybe Lincoln recognized just how successful Acura was with that and decided it needed to do the same? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Of course, you might sense some sarcasm... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-02-2006, 08:48 PM
Alpha naming system does not build brand image, if anything, it loses heritage.<p>Shame on you, Lincoln <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Bass-o-Matic
01-03-2006, 08:54 AM
Totally agree... It got so bad for Acura that I heard journalist-friends openly referring to RL as "Replacement Legend". What was a watershed product for Honda/Acura, the Legend, was completely neutered by their dropping the name (and, of course, doing a totally "safe" replacement product that did nothing to distiguish itself other than introduce Navigation systems, especially well-done ones, to the marketplace).<p>And, as for Lincoln, they have some of the great brand names in their history, which it seemed they were about to plumb, with the likes of the Zephyr already recently introduced. I wonder what will happen to this product (which is already bordering on invisible); If it goes alpha-numeric, I expect it to become, almost literally, the generic "Brand X" among a competitive set made up of some of the most iconic & rabidly-followed brands out there. <p>Sorry to sound so negative, but I REALLY want Lincoln to make it and still don't get how the Ford family, of all people, could let this brand languish so badly. If only for reasons of familial pride, I really expected Lincoln to be turned into a showcase. In fact, even though it has some linkage to the original Shelby Daytona Coupe, I thought the GR-1 from last year could have been made into a flagship coupe for a revitalized Lincoln-Mercury channel (think the Chrysler Firepower/ Cadillac XLR crowd). It seems that, if this is a Ford, you're only muddying the distinction and hierarchy of the Ford family of brands.