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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 09:49 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=spy&num=1055676738&start=0" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....art=0</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>haudit23</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The next 45 may be based on the 75 platform, but it doesn't derive anymore than its basic front architecture and suspension from it. Unfortunately, MG Rover have had to ditch the BMW derived Z-axle rear suspension on cost and packaging grounds - if they equipped the car with such a sophisticated and expensive suspension, they would price it out of contention. Also, the Z-axle is a rather bulky piece of engineering, precisely what they don't need on a platform not exactly renowned for its space efficiency.<p>Its believed they're going with the simpler, less expensive, and considerably more space efficient multi-link setup originally developed for the MG TF.<p>As a sidenote, here's a few links to Photoshop images of the RD60 and also two which point the way to the look of the revised 45 (needs a facelift to remain competetive until RD60 arrives) and 75 (being facelifted mainly to integrate with the company's new styling philosophy - don't expect a replacement model anytime within the next 5 years)<p>New RD60:<br><A HREF="http://gallery.mg-rover.org/showphoto.php?photo=3389&papass=&sort=1" TARGET="_blank">http://gallery.mg-rover.org/sh...ort=1</A><p>That's one mean lookin' car - I doubt MG Rover will have the guts to put something so outlandish into full scale production <p>Revised 45:<br><A HREF="http://gallery.mg-rover.org/showphoto.php?photo=2338&papass=&sort=1" TARGET="_blank">http://gallery.mg-rover.org/sh...ort=1</A><p>I hope the changes go a bit further than this suggests, as it really needs all the help it can get to remain competetive, what with a new Golf, Astra and Focus just round the corner <p>Revised 75:<br><A HREF="http://gallery.mg-rover.org/showphoto.php?photo=3327&papass=&sort=1" TARGET="_blank">http://gallery.mg-rover.org/sh...ort=1</A><p>Changes to this look a good deal more substantial, but thanks to the way the 75 was designed, it seems the new front end look has been achieved with nothing more than a new bumper moulding incorporating the grille and new lens covers for the lights, the units of which are essentially the same as before, saving MG Rover some much needed cash!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><b>Sorry to revive a really old thread, but here is some new info on this car from today's Autocar Magazine:</b><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Rover/45/1684410559.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Rover/45/16844105635.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><i>NEW CAR, NEW DEAL<p>MG Rover's answer to the new VW Golf, Ford Focus and Vauxhall Astra will arrive in early 2006. Originally planned for release late last year, the car codenamed RD/X60 was delayed by the demise of design consultants TWR and the collapse of a production deal with China Brilliance. Now that a new agreement is in place with China's Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC), the 45 replacement has been rejuvenated and, when it goes on sale in eighteen months time, it will look like this.<p>The new midsize car is exclusively revealed in this week's Autocar. 'As ever, MG Rover faces serious challenges,' writes Richard Bremner, 'but for once, there is cause for tentative optimism.'</i><p>Continue discussion here of the never showing up Rover. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
12-29-2004, 10:58 AM
One day it will happen!!!

MrMGMan
12-29-2004, 02:33 PM
Hopefully we'll know within the next few weeks if MG Rover's deal with SAIC is going ahead. If its approved by the Chinese government, it paves the way for RD60 being revealed at one of the European motorshows late in 2005, before going on sale in Spring 2006.

Ascariss
12-29-2004, 05:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MrMGMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hopefully we'll know within the next few weeks if MG Rover's deal with SAIC is going ahead. If its approved by the Chinese government, it paves the way for RD60 being revealed at one of the European motorshows late in 2005, before going on sale in Spring 2006.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well then we shall wait and see, only shows in late 2005 are frankfurt and Paris I believe.

Reppu
12-30-2004, 02:25 AM
This car will arrive 3 or 4 years late. Let's hope it will not be 3 or 4 years outdated as well when it's released, that would definitely kill the brand.

metallic
12-30-2004, 03:27 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Rover/45/16844105635.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Renault, anyone? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
12-30-2004, 10:01 AM
metallic you are looking at a rendering of a car no one has seen. It's futile to critique it, don't draw any conclusions based on those renderings.

MrMGMan
12-30-2004, 01:24 PM
I think RD60 arriving later than Rover originally planned may be a good thing, as it will have given them time to size up the new opposition in the form of the new Astra, Focus and Golf. I wouldn't be surprised if they've taken very long, detailed looks at all of these cars, and updated the design of RD60 accordingly.

taskbearer
01-01-2005, 01:09 AM
That would make the result more annoying if they don't match or beat the competion.

MrMGMan
01-01-2005, 05:02 PM
I'm sure it'll be at least a match for the majority of the class in dynamic terms. MG Rover have shown time and time again that they know what they're doing when it comes to setting up a car's chassis properly. I'm sure it will also be a match for the majority of the class in terms of space and practicality, as those have apparently been buzzwords and a primary aim throughout the car's development.<p>One area where it could fall flat against the competition is detail finish and perceived quality. If they want the car to be taken seriously, they'd better not be raiding the current 25 and 45 parts bin for any switchgear. Such cost cutting moves would be painfully obvious and would hurt the cars perceived (if not actual) quality, and lessen the cars chances of being taken seriously by prospective buyers. However, if they've gone to the trouble of designing new switchgear, or even just reusing the older stuff with new coverings, then the car stands a fairly good chance of being a success.

Ascariss
01-20-2005, 09:12 PM
According to CAR it is supposed to arrive in spring 2006 as MrMGMan said, John Towers said it himself in the mag. It's a cut down chassis of the 75 with simpler torsion rear axle. Power is from the K series, the common rail diesel and 6-speed are also part of the project. And a new supermini, R60, is supposed to follow a year after that.

MrMGMan
01-22-2005, 11:19 AM
I came up with this, based on a rather nice Photoshop of the RD60 I found on MG-Rover.org:<p><IMG SRC="http://forums.mg-rover.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16422" BORDER="0">

AM2K
01-22-2005, 12:46 PM
Looks nice! Although i hope that the MG variant will have some sheet metal changes this time round... it would really help distinguish the two marques a bit more..<p>Hopefully something solid in terms of a spy shot will be seen in the coming months because thats always a good indicator of progress..

MrMGMan
01-22-2005, 01:08 PM
I think the stylistic differences between the Rover and MG versions of RD60 will once again be achieved by the use of differing grille and trim combinations, the way it always has been done when differentiating MG saloons from their more humble Austin/Morris/Rover brethren. <p>Also, RD/X60 was largely developed on a very tight buget, so any scope for extensive and expensive panel changes between MG and Rover variants is rather limited. At the most, we might see different front wings, different bumpers and different bonnets, but nothing really substantial. I expect the Rover and MG versions to share the vast majority of their bodywork.<p>A more realistic proposition is making certain bodystyles only available under either the MG or Rover brands, but not both. For example, the 3 door variant could be reserved exclusively for sporty MG, the 4 door could be marketed under both with some subtle styling differences, while the more utility focused 5 door hatchback, estate and MPV (assuming there is one during the models lifespan) could be reserved for the Rover brand, thereby letting Rover reclaim its place as the more volume led of MG Rover's two brands.

Man with no name
01-22-2005, 01:15 PM
IS IT POSSIBLE TO UNTROUBLE THIS PICTURE WITH PHOTOSHOP ???

AM2K
01-22-2005, 01:30 PM
The pic in question can be seen via the link below:<p><A HREF="http://gallery.mg-rover.org/data/554/281TCV1aaX1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://gallery.mg-rover.org/da...1.jpg</A><p>Now if the car looks like that, then i think Rover are definately onto a good thing!!!<p>I have faith in the design being good, the only worries i have are that MGR dont use cheap switch-gear from the old models, and that they ensure the inside looks bang up to date and attractive..

MrMGMan
01-22-2005, 01:31 PM
Here's my rather crude attempt at creating a 3-door version of RD60, based on an unblurred version of the chop I posted above.<p><IMG SRC="http://forums.mg-rover.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16470" BORDER="0">

AM2K
01-22-2005, 01:40 PM
Looks nice!<p>You should ask the chopper (steve right?) or the original car to do a nice X60 variant!

MrMGMan
01-22-2005, 01:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I have faith in the design being good, the only worries i have are that MGR dont use cheap switch-gear from the old models, and that they ensure the inside looks bang up to date and attractive..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I doubt they're stupid enough to think they can get away with using switchgear that was already old by the time they first used it in the Rover 25 and 45. I don't have any problems with them using the same components, as long as you can't see any visual link between RD60 and the older cars. I expect we'll see something that shares its basic dashboard proportions with the 75 (as they share the same frame), but with the overt retro influences gone. They'll probably use the round air vents from the SV that found their way into the 25 and 45. One thing that does worry me though.... will they fit a built in, uniquely sized ICE system, or will they go with the cheaper and uglier option of fitting aftermarket units? If they do, I hope they don't use the ones they're fitting to 2005 MY 25's, 45's and 75's:<p><IMG SRC="http://forums.mg-rover.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16463" BORDER="0"><p>They look awful in isolation; and:<p><IMG SRC="http://www3.mg-rover.com/stellent/groups/public/@all/documents/htmlsnippets/mgr_031062.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Absolutely dire when fitted to a 75.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MrMGMan at 1:05 PM 1/22/2005</i>

AM2K
01-22-2005, 01:50 PM
I hope they dont use the round vents from the 25! I've seen them and even those wouldnt suit the car.. im hoping the moulding of the dash unit is nice and smooth, without any design compromises made for previous components... <p>I wonder if the interior look will take after the 75's classic look, or go for an all new modern feel to it... And yeh i do agree with you about the ICE units..<p>Overall, the packaging for this car needs to be spot on because a lot is riding on this model. Both in terms of reputation and sales..

MrMGMan
01-22-2005, 02:09 PM
Who thought a little old Rover would generate so much enthusiastic chat! lol<p>I doubt the RD60's interior will take many cues other than its basic proportions from the 75. MG Rover have made it clear that they want to move away from the overtly retro influences they used when they were originally designing the 75, and working on the 25 and 45. You can already see it in the revised styling of the current range.<p>I hope RD60's interior will display all the hallmarks of what a Rover interior should be, but without resorting to retro cliches to get the message over.

Pedigreepaul
01-23-2005, 09:39 AM
damn.. it's ugly

AM2K
01-23-2005, 09:45 AM
Its only an impression of what people might think it will look though if thats an consolation for ya!<p>No actual spy-shots have emerged yet, but i hope that the car certainly has the design quality to take on the likes of the Golf, Focus and other new rivals..

MrMGMan
01-23-2005, 11:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pedigreepaul</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn.. it's ugly</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, in its defence, the latest Golf, Astra, Focus, Megane and the new Citroen C4 aren't exactly stunning classical beauties either, are they?

KaRaceR
01-23-2005, 11:11 AM
nice job there by rover,<br>the front remind me of a pontiac and the back obviously look like the new renault range

MrMGMan
01-23-2005, 01:46 PM
Here's a Mazda RX-8 style MG X60 photoshop, courtesy of Steve over on <A HREF="http://www.mg-rover.org" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mg-rover.org</A>:<p><IMG SRC="http://forums.mg-rover.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16510" BORDER="0"><p>The full gallery of his stuff is available at:<br><A HREF="http://gallery.mg-rover.org/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/28" TARGET="_blank">http://gallery.mg-rover.org/sh...er/28</A><br>

Steve_142
01-24-2005, 01:19 PM
Well I finally got myself logged in!<p>It seems everything has changed since I last came here. My old log-in information didn't work :(<p>Anyway, glad you like the Photoshop. I'm quite proud of that one actually.<p>Incidentally, I'm not entirely sure if this is the right sub-forum to have it posted, so if someone thinks I should, I'll shove them over into the Member's Photoshops section.<p>Thanks again.<p>Steve<br>Moderator<br><A HREF="http://www.mg-rover.org" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mg-rover.org</A><p>edit: In fact, what the hell, I'll do it anyway :) That way I can post the original for comparison (if I can find where i've put it!)

UK
01-27-2005, 04:11 PM
If history repeats itself, Rover RD60 will be a fantastic new car. So often the demise of BL / Austin / Rover / MG Rover has been called by the press and their knockers.<p>In the past, the Rover 200 Series of 1989 was the start of something fantastic, before BMW ruined it.<p>The Rover 75 could have been a great new car for BMW, but they chose to ruin it. If they had persisted with Rover, they would have a marque that made a profit for itself, and contributed positively to the BMW Group.<p>If you look at the figures, MG Rover currently make a small loss in comparison to what they lost during the days of BMW. If they had adopted a similar management style, and had they not had the setbacks of trying to find a partner in China Brilliance and had the need to invest money in the bankrupt TWR, they would have made a profit. Utilising the BMW Group technology and development, they wouldn't be in the position they are now.<p>MG Rover should be commended rather than criticised for the bold decisions that they have made. I so hope that the SAIC deal comes off. I feel that this partnership deal will allow MG Rover to flourish in a way similar to the Honda deal of the 1980's and 1990's (Without the restrictive practices by Honda of the 1990's).<p>What I say to the doubters of MG Rover - the proof is in the pudding - rather than knocking MG Rover - support them - help them get this deal with SAIC and relish in the fact that you have supported them when they are doing well in a few years time. England is always the underdog and we love to support to the underdog, so why not support this.

PlatForm
01-29-2005, 07:58 AM
this gonna be the new 2006 Rover 45??..<p>but im doubt about it because i had read some article about Rover and now they faced financial problem. That's why they sold land near LongBridge to finance new car development.<p>But hope the new Rover 45 due next year will based on the RD60 platform.

UK
02-11-2005, 03:30 AM
If anyone reads The Sun Newspaper, there are some 'leaked' photos in todays issue.

bm88
02-11-2005, 03:53 AM
If you have a digital camera, or scaner, would you please...

MrMGMan
02-11-2005, 05:38 AM
Here's a retouched version of the Sun's 'leaked' spy picture from mg-rover.org.<p><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/18/2756/640/_new_med_car_retouch.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Its pretty hard to judge the car on a leaked, photoshopped picture of what looks like a fairly advanced clay styling model, but I definitely think MG Rover's designers are on the right track with this car. It looks classy without resorting to the retro design cliches of a droopy waistline and tons of crome. I hope the final launch verrsion looks around 80-85% the same as this does.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MrMGMan at 6:01 AM 2/11/2005</i>

Innotech
02-11-2005, 05:56 AM
not bad at all for a company that BMW sold for practically nothing.<br>

MrMGMan
02-11-2005, 05:59 AM
And not bad at all for a company that the majority of the British press are trying to cast as either dead or dying. Perhaps this will shut the UK's broadsheet 'quality' newspapers, like the Guardian and the Times, up for a while.

AM2K
02-11-2005, 06:20 AM
Well this is a nice surprise for all the critics!<p>I am very impressed with the effort gone on behind the scenes to make a car like this, considering that most media seem to think doom and gloom is around the corner..<p>I'm definately liking this car a lot, and i cant wait to see what the rest of the range has for us (especially the Austin Healey if it returns!) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

MrMGMan
02-11-2005, 06:47 AM
It has to be said, the majority of the British 'quality' press would be predicting doom and gloom for MG Rover even if they were selling 500,000 cars a year, making money hand over fist and having a high old time of it. <p>It's just British nature, and snobbery that makes the broadsheet journo's slate MG Rover at every available opportunity, without reporting any actual news. <p>The tabloids have taken a much fairer and far more supportive stance towards the company, with most of them doing what they can to shore up battered public confidence in the company until this crucial new car arrives.

taskbearer
02-16-2005, 07:21 AM
found this from <A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk</A><p> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_37/car_portal_pic_18586.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>OMG, I am stunned. if this happens to be the real thing, Rover's got something classy at hand.

PlatForm
02-16-2005, 08:31 AM
this is only a photo of a prototype model taken from Rover Design Team and some said that this is Rover 45 hatchback model.but Rover do not confirm that this will be the next Rover 45..<p>btw,if this will be the next Rover 45.. they should change the rear lights.. because it looks like a Volkswagen style rear lights..

MrMGMan
02-16-2005, 01:07 PM
Here's an Auto Express rendering of the RD/X60 based on that leaked picture that appeared in the Sun newspaper last week.<p><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/18/2756/1024/lastscan.1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Looks much better in this version than it does in the dodgy photoshopped clay model. Check out those rear lights now!<br>

JBlair
02-16-2005, 01:07 PM
That is a BAD photoshop. almost everything in this picture is either from another car or was drawn in using photoshop. For goodness sake, even the sheet behind it was photoshoped in.

MrMGMan
02-16-2005, 01:12 PM
Of course its bad, its from Auto Express.... but even given that, I think it paints rather a pretty picture of how RD60 might end up looking.

drugmirko
02-19-2005, 04:14 PM
are you guys talking about this picture?<p><A HREF="http://forums.mg-rover.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17099" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.mg-rover.org/att...17099</A>

Tidal
02-19-2005, 05:15 PM
I think it looks pretty good, rear wheel-arches are kinda strange but good overall. But i have serious doubts this car will ever make it, i mean, they have no money, and like the article said, it will be hard for them to even survive until it comes out. I think Rover just needs this sort of things ( projects being mysteriously taken from their design hq ) to solidify their supposed ( ? ) alliance with China Brilliance and to show people their not dead. Yet.

sanbar778
02-19-2005, 09:52 PM
This picture is obviously a very bad chop of the very recent Mazda MX Crossport Concept. You would think they would have chosen an older concept to copy.

Orestes
02-20-2005, 12:34 AM
here another MG Rover car... <p><A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/getcontent/800a0731.gif?DMW_OBJECTID=090024da800a0731&DMW_FORMAT=webgif&DMW_PAGE=1" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs...AGE=1</A><p><A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/getcontent/800a0731.gif?DMW_OBJECTID=090024da800a0731&DMW_FORMAT=bvgif&DMW_PAGE" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs..._PAGE</A>=<br> <br><A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/getcontent/800a0731.gif?DMW_OBJECTID=090024da800a0731&DMW_FORMAT=webgif&DMW_PAGE=2" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs...AGE=2</A><p><A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/getcontent/800a0731.gif?DMW_OBJECTID=090024da800a0731&DMW_FORMAT=webgif&DMW_PAGE=0" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs...AGE=0</A><p>i saw it in uk patent website....is it new?....heres the link <A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/formexec?DMW_INPUTFORM=tpo/biblio&DMW_SEARCH_TEXT=3019945&PREVIOUS_FORM=BROWSE&PREVIOUS_SEARCH_FORM=NULL&BROWSER_TYPE=ie4" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs...E=ie4</A> <p><br><I>Pictures converted to links - AM2K</I><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 2:45 PM 2/20/2005</i>

PlatForm
02-20-2005, 04:55 AM
its a MG TF Coupe.. i dont know why they should waste their money modified a sedan/sport to a coupe car.. i suggest they should use the money to develop new car that could increase the brand and sales..

AM2K
02-20-2005, 07:43 AM
Apparantly converting the 75 or MGTF into a coupe is not exactly costly in terms of finance. Especially with the MGTF (as above). <p>But hopefully resources are being prioritised correctly. We'll hopefully know a lot more as soon as this deal with SAIC is sealed.

PlatForm
02-20-2005, 10:23 AM
hope the joint-venture would give MG Rover more establish finances and market. are you sure there is no share transfer in the deal??..<p>i believe SAIC only want the engineering and development capability..!!

MrMGMan
02-20-2005, 11:21 AM
There is absolutely no provision for a share transfer between SAIC and MG Rover in the terms of the deal they're currently negotiating.<p>The current structure of the deal calls for the creation of a Joint Venture company, headquartered in Shanghai and owned 70% by SAIC, 30% by MG Rover. As part of their 70% shareholding, SAIC is expected to pump upwards of 1 billion into MG Rover's design and development department in order for them to continue with the development of a new range of MG and Rover cars.<p>It should be stressed that outwith the terms of the Joint Venture, both SAIC and MG Rover are free to carry on whatever business activities please them.

r3vilo
02-21-2005, 07:13 AM
it certainly needed repacing QUOTE Clarkson "Old? Archiologists have found a tyrannesarous-rex clutching the keys to a rover 45!"

pcread
02-21-2005, 07:18 AM
Hahaha<br>The Streetwise got a positive review on the dutch car programme Auto Experience yesterday. Mind you, it owned by a gorgeous blond singer, so I wasn't really looking at the car.

MrMGMan
03-02-2005, 09:12 AM
UK's Auto Express are running a cover Photoshop of the MG version of RD/X60, and here it is:<p><IMG SRC="http://photos1.blogger.com/img/18/2756/1024/car_portal_pic_18761.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>What do we think?

bm88
03-02-2005, 01:11 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_37/car_portal_pic_18761.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This the same thing?

pcread
03-02-2005, 03:50 PM
It doesn't jump out at me, like the next Civic does, but I can't fault it. If the real thing looks like that, I think it's a winner.

Reppu
03-03-2005, 12:12 AM
If that's accurate, the car has a chance.

PlatForm
03-03-2005, 03:26 AM
awesome.. but the grill quite ugly..the body style great..<p>but i dont like the front design..

Gunfire
03-06-2005, 04:36 PM
Is this going to be the new 25 as well? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Dal
03-06-2005, 04:50 PM
chop looks like its been based of the concept Mazda Suv

Ascariss
03-06-2005, 04:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">chop looks like its been based of the concept Mazda Suv</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Correct. I must say it does look rather nice.

JBlair
03-06-2005, 04:53 PM
HAHAHHAHAHAH. That is a cheap photoshop of what Auto Express thinks it will look like (but I'm sure they have a reputable source as to why it would look like that). They made it using the Mazda CrossSport (or whatever its called).