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drugmirko
02-01-2005, 04:21 PM
Old Thread:<p><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1054602404" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....02404</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ranger94</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/33726.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">New impression<br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/27570.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: autobild</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Toni</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Auto Motor und Sport: <p><IMG SRC="http://www.automotorundsport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/VW-small-SUV-final2_450.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>According to article the Golf SUV will be introduced on 2008.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57844.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>SOURCE: <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><p>Looks like a X3 competitor to me.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>this was found on cochespias.tk:<p><IMG SRC="http://img77.exs.cx/img77/9316/volkswagengolfplussuv016vp.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 4:09 PM 4/6/2005</i>

phaeton
02-01-2005, 04:40 PM
Very obvious Golf Plus rear.<p>Thanks for the 1st picture I've ever seen.

CalinG7
02-01-2005, 04:45 PM
Is it the Golf Plus or the Golf-based SUV?

JBlair
02-01-2005, 04:47 PM
Golf-based SUV using a mixture of Golf and Golf-plus body panels for the mule

CalinG7
02-01-2005, 04:53 PM
So it's a mule then? It doestn' look very SUV-ish to me. Looks smaller than the CR-V and others in the class from that angle, but I could be wrong.

Ascariss
02-01-2005, 05:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Golf-based SUV using a mixture of Golf and Golf-plus body panels for the mule</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It is an entire golf plus mule, not many Golf panels there. The plus has a higher centre of gravity than the golf, by a small bit, so using this with higher suspension would easily mimic an suv. BMW did this with a jacked up 3er wagon for the x3.

AU-297
02-01-2005, 06:38 PM
Does anyone know when the approx debut is for this???

Hornbag
02-02-2005, 12:06 AM
Well if they can do this with the Fiesta and the Fusion (UK version) then why not the Golf? It looks like a golf with higher ground clearence, GREAT!

mzoltarp
02-02-2005, 05:47 AM
The release date needs to be somewhere in early 2004 to help VW's sales picture. Oh wait! 2004 is gone. I guess VW must be slow to market. AGAIN!

phaeton
02-02-2005, 03:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Golf-based SUV using a mixture of Golf and Golf-plus body panels for the mule</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What JBlair said except the Golf Plus is Golf based anyway.<p>Debut probably 2006/07.

drugmirko
02-06-2005, 06:34 AM
<A HREF="http://box.motorline.cc/slideshow/image.asp?id=29992&width=435&height=290&text=auto&quality=70" TARGET="_blank">http://box.motorline.cc/slides...ty=70</A><br>found on autoscoops.tk<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 2:38 PM 2/7/2005</i>

protocatcher
02-06-2005, 07:29 AM
Ok dudes , where is the driver ...lol<p>Same car as on the transporter ....just planted on the "ring"

Pedigreepaul
02-06-2005, 07:30 AM
There's no driver?

Pedigreepaul
02-06-2005, 07:31 AM
Hahhaa.. Just saw the same thing Protocather.. LOL

Pedigreepaul
02-06-2005, 09:10 AM
Hmm.. or the driver has reeeeeaaaaaaaaaaally long arms..

syclone
02-07-2005, 12:38 PM
While I like the Golf Plus quite a bit, I do have to wonder if this vehicle will really sell or just take sales from the Golf/ Golf Plus /Touran. Although, I would like to see an AWD Golf Plus - maybe this is as close as VW will come to that.

JBlair
02-07-2005, 12:53 PM
This isn't just a tarted up Golf-plus. This thing will probably have its own body panels and more rugged styling. This thing isn't going to be a wannabe like the Rover StreetWise.

AU297
02-07-2005, 02:32 PM
The sad thing is that I just got confirmation that VW of A has backed out of this model due to styling and the weak U.S. dollar!!! So this model will NOT be sold in the U.S.!!! Yet another poor decision on from VW of A!

JBlair
02-07-2005, 02:57 PM
Huh.........interesting. Except for the fact that the dollar is currently making gains and this model is important to help expand VW's SUV lineup. Personally, I'll wait for more sources to say that before I believe that it won't be coming here.

AU297
02-07-2005, 03:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Huh.........interesting. Except for the fact that the dollar is currently making gains and this model is important to help expand VW's SUV lineup. Personally, I'll wait for more sources to say that before I believe that it won't be coming here.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I agree with you 100%... I'm hating VW's decision making skills lately. Originally the U.S. was slated the Golf Plus instead of the Golf 4 door, but they last minuted backed out and went back to the 4 door delaying the approval process for U.S. Standards. Which is why we won't see the Golf here until the middle to late 2006!!!! Half way through it's life cycle!!! My source has a direct connection not only with VW of A but also VW AG! I don't question him at all considering he runs VWvortex.com

syclone
02-08-2005, 03:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This isn't just a tarted up Golf-plus. This thing will probably have its own body panels and more rugged styling. This thing isn't going to be a wannabe like the Rover StreetWise.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know its going to have its own look, but its the overall quality of the Golf Plus that impresses me. I also like the size as well. Even if it looks different, if it keeps the same fit and finish and general size (which the spy pics seem to suggest it will) I would definitely be interested in one. That said, as AU297 mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if it never makes it to the states anyway. Of course, after the Pheaton, new Audi nose, partnering with Porsche for an SUV, etc, nothing VW does really surprises me anymore.

mzoltarp
02-08-2005, 05:14 AM
Volkswagen clearly is not fully interested in the US market. If they were, they would have increased production capacity in Puebla Mexico and sourced cars from their underused Brazilian arm. The fact that the Passat "sort of" competes with the Camry / Accord is not good enough. The fact that there is no viable minivan nor pickup screams volumes. VW needs the mini SUV to compete with sport cutes from Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, and Kia. The Phaeton could have been a great car for the US market if they had left off a lot of the techno wizardry, all wheel drive, and priced it at 40-45k. Americans like large cars. The Phaeton is a large handsome car. It could have out done the Avalon. I'm a die hard VW fan and used to have 4. Now I have a Hyundai, a Honda, and an ancient Rabbit GTi. The Rabbit was a brilliant car for its time but the GTi showed that VW didn't have a clue. They waited and waited and waited until the Rabbit was nearly dead in sales and them wham! out comes the GTi. Twenty years ago and nothing has changed. Let's not even look at the VW 411/412 misfires nor that the K70 was never imported when it could have been a great leap forward for VW. I guess once the Japanese kicked VW's import butt, VW has never figured out why.

CalinG7
02-08-2005, 11:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Volkswagen clearly is not fully interested in the US market. If they were, they would have increased production capacity in Puebla Mexico and sourced cars from their underused Brazilian arm. The fact that the Passat "sort of" competes with the Camry / Accord is not good enough. The fact that there is no viable minivan nor pickup screams volumes. VW needs the mini SUV to compete with sport cutes from Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, and Kia. The Phaeton could have been a great car for the US market if they had left off a lot of the techno wizardry, all wheel drive, and priced it at 40-45k. Americans like large cars. The Phaeton is a large handsome car. It could have out done the Avalon. I'm a die hard VW fan and used to have 4. Now I have a Hyundai, a Honda, and an ancient Rabbit GTi. The Rabbit was a brilliant car for its time but the GTi showed that VW didn't have a clue. They waited and waited and waited until the Rabbit was nearly dead in sales and them wham! out comes the GTi. Twenty years ago and nothing has changed. Let's not even look at the VW 411/412 misfires nor that the K70 was never imported when it could have been a great leap forward for VW. I guess once the Japanese kicked VW's import butt, VW has never figured out why.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Couldn't have said it better myself. How long have they been in the US and they still don't undersand the American market. Hope at least this will look better in person, not like the new Jetta and Golf, and to a lesser degree the Passat.

Roadster44
02-08-2005, 01:05 PM
VW is on the way with some really good products. VW roadster (forget name of it), new Passat, Golf, Jetta (although its so-so in my opinion). I do think they need a coupe and a smaller suv to go against CR-V's, RAV4's, etc.

boston
02-11-2005, 05:03 PM
From Motor Trend<p> 2007 Volkswagen Marrakech : Based on the next-generation Golf platform, the cute-ute codenamed Marrakech will feature 4Motion all-wheel drive with a central locking Haldex clutch. Engines to include 1.8-liter turbo I-4, 1.9-liter turbodiesel, and 2.8-liter V-6. The expressive vehicle is set to compete with the Toyota RAV4 up to the BMW X3.<p>

AU297
02-11-2005, 07:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>boston</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From Motor Trend<p> 2007 Volkswagen Marrakech : Based on the next-generation Golf platform, the cute-ute codenamed Marrakech will feature 4Motion all-wheel drive with a central locking Haldex clutch. Engines to include 1.8-liter turbo I-4, 1.9-liter turbodiesel, and 2.8-liter V-6. The expressive vehicle is set to compete with the Toyota RAV4 up to the BMW X3.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes it was originally slated for the U.S., but recently it was cancelled! Due to design and dollar value (I mentioned it above).

Top Secret
02-11-2005, 11:24 PM
The one thing I would not like to see is a lot of plastic bumpers on the Golf SUV. The X3 looks horrible with it, and so does that Citroen C3 SUV.

mzoltarp
02-12-2005, 06:43 AM
The Corrado is another example of VW's brilliant missfires. I've owned two (90 and 93). The car came out a bit pricey for the market, then VW did virtually no promotion. The Corrado VR6 could have been marketed as fine predator against the Porsche 944/968 because it had 9/10ths the performance for 2/3rds the price. A VW rep said to me in 1992 that their strategy for building Corrado sales was word of mouth. I get that VW needs to move upmarket as long as their cars are wearing high dollar price tags but there are numerous solutions. The Golf SUV could be built in Mexico, because the demand for Beetles is nil. Kill the Beetle coupe and build the SUV. Oh wait that would be thinking aggressively.

Laguna
02-13-2005, 03:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GRANTURISMO</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Jantjuhman/VWGoluVcross2.jpg" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Article from Autoexpress<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The CrossGolf (thats what its expected to be called) has wider, beefier wheelarches, modified bumpers and revised front end. Changes to the nose are likely to include Passat-style headlamps plus a chunky off-roader-style bumper, completed with grilles over the foglights and a raised air intake. The CrossGolf to be unveiled at September's Frankfurt Motor Show- rides 60mm higher than the Plus. Its also likely to have underbody and sump guards for protection when off-roading, while the 4WD set up will be based on that of the Golf 4MOTION, which distributes power evenly between the front and rear. Engines should include 1.6 and 2.0 litre FSI petrol units and 1.9 and 2.0 TDI turbodiesels. VW's DSG gearbox is likely to be an option. A hot CrossGolf hasn't been ruled out; the 4WD system could be combined with either VW's proven 2.8 litre V6 petrol motor, or the 198bhp 2.0 FSI turbo unit from the Golf GTI.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Source: Autoexpress.<p>I bought this weeks mag. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 4:02 PM 4/6/2005</i>

dukedb9
02-13-2005, 05:11 PM
I can't believe that VW is even considering not bringing this car to the US. THIS is the car that the US has been waiting for from VW - not the regular Golf, not the Phaeton. This.

phaeton
02-15-2005, 04:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dukedb9</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't believe that VW is even considering not bringing this car to the US.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well VW may bring a smaller VW 4WD but not the CrossGolf.<p>VW has a couple of new Crossover vehicles and 4X4.<p>Here is what I know is in the pipeline.<p><B>Passat Country</B>-similar to Audi's Allroad source Autocar VW registered Passat Country recently.<br><B>Golf Crossover</B>-Rav4 competitor source mule pictures here.<br><B>Smaller 4X4</B>- fully fledged offroader source American Media<br><B>LWB Touareg</B>- 7 seater to fill in this market. source VW CEO in article on vwvortex.<p>note some of these vehicles may be fictitious.

drugmirko
03-11-2005, 04:38 PM
here... from avtomania.com:<p><A HREF="http://www.avtomania.com/fotoz/Razkrivanja/2005/marec/golfCross/1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.avtomania.com/fotoz...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.avtomania.com/fotoz/Razkrivanja/2005/marec/golfCross/2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.avtomania.com/fotoz...2.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://www.avtomania.com/fotoz/Razkrivanja/2005/marec/golfCross/3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.avtomania.com/fotoz...3.jpg</A><p>it looks bit stupid if you ask me.... well for now at least :lol:<p>hope that it will look better without camouflage. and that Renault atleast, will do something much more inventive. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 4:05 PM 4/6/2005</i>

mzoltarp
03-12-2005, 06:25 AM
The side skirts over the front wheels indicate that this is still an early mule in my opinion. My guess is that the body will be altered considerably to keep it from looking like a raised Golf Plus. Given that the USA still has an SUV hunger, they need to kill the new Beetle in Mexico and build the SUV there so that they can hit an advantageous price point. The Hyundai Tucson and Kia Sportage twins are very similar in size and are compelling vehicles (great fit and finish, great packaging, clean styling, great price). VW will have to hit their price point or it will be another thud like the Toaureg, which although a success, is not selling as rapidly as VW hoped. Maybe VW should build a superplant in Mexico.

Charger
03-14-2005, 01:52 PM
<A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/V/volkswagen/golf-freestyle/03-large/VW-Cross-Golf-002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/V/volkswagen/golf-freestyle/03-large/VW-Cross-Golf-001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/V/volkswagen/golf-freestyle/03-large/VW-Cross-Golf-004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/V/volkswagen/golf-freestyle/03-large/VW-Cross-Golf-003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/V/volkswagen/golf-freestyle/03-large/VW-Cross-Golf-005.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/V/volkswagen/golf-freestyle/03-large/VW-Cross-Golf-006.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...6.jpg</A><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spy Shot: Volkswagen Golf Freestyle<br>Yet another offspring from the flexible Golf platform, this jacked-up 4x4 has been codenamed Freestyle, and it is due for launch at the Frankfurt motor show in September. To sit under the Touareg in VW's off-piste offerings, it will employ Volkswagen's 4Motion four-wheel drive system. It's intended as a serious mud-plugger (not a faux-4x4 like the Polo Dune) and will finally give Volkswagen a contender in the mid-size off-roader market dominated by Nissan's X-Trail and Land Rover's Freelander. The body is similar to that of the newly-launched Golf Plus, though the Freestyle sits much higher than this semi-MPV Golf variant.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: 4car

spwolf
03-14-2005, 03:34 PM
Its gonna be based on Golf yet be serious "mud-plugger" kind of interesting journalism. Hopefully it is unibody/car based SUV.<p>And hopefully it doesnt end up looking like an Golf...

Charger
03-25-2005, 01:59 PM
This impression doesnt look so bad.<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.veritate.net/edm/TTG/images/temp14239.html/VWBeduin.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: veritate

mzoltarp
03-29-2005, 05:01 AM
The Car Connection website claims that VW will build a small SUV off the Jetta chassis in Mexico for the US market.

Charger
03-31-2005, 12:48 PM
Anyone else think this is a dumb name?<p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/news/2005/0330/volkswagen.beduin.500.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...0.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WOLFSBURG, Germany  Volkswagen's moves into niche markets are set to accelerate in the coming years, with a range of SUVs, roadsters and crossover vehicles being lined up for launch.<p>One of the most significant will be this compact off-roader, designed to compete with the Toyota RAV4, BMW X3 and Land Rover Freelander. According to U.K. magazine Autocar, Volkswagen registered the name Beduin in January for worldwide use, and this is the most likely name for the car. The Beduin is a Saharan tribe, like the Touareg, the name of VW's bigger off-roader. Earlier reports had suggested the car might be called Marrakech; it is unclear if VW has registered this name.<p>The Beduin is part of a product offensive launched by Chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder that will also see 4x4 versions of three VW models  the Brazilian-built Fox, the Golf Plus and the Touran MPV. These will all have "Cross" prefixes to denote their SUV status: CrossFox, CrossGolf and CrossTouran. They'll be rolled out starting in 2006, ahead of the Beduin, due in 2007.<p>The Beduin will have a range of four-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines, plus a range-topping 280-horsepower, 3.6-liter V6. It will use a specially developed platform that takes elements of both the Golf and Passat platforms, and the 4x4 system from the Golf 4Motion.<p>What this means to you: Another day, another niche model from Volkswagen. Given the spotty sales record of the Touareg, maybe a smaller, cheaper version will put VW more firmly in the running for SUV customers.<br></TD></TR></TABLE>

JBlair
03-31-2005, 01:04 PM
I didn't think that the Touareg had a 'spotty sales record' as that article says.

mzoltarp
04-01-2005, 05:46 AM
The chances of the VW Beduin coming in under 30k for the V6 have to be good if VW ever plans to sell it in the USA.

CalinG7
04-01-2005, 10:23 AM
Yeah, but still, a $30,000 Rav4 rival from Volkswagen? Maybe from Audi, but that's crazy.

Verdegrrl
04-04-2005, 10:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, but still, a $30,000 Rav4 rival from Volkswagen? Maybe from Audi, but that's crazy. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>How is that? You can only get a 4 cylinder engine in the Rav4, and you'll probably need a ton of options to match what a V6 VW will offer as standard. Take the base price of around $21K for an auto version, and add the UP, SR, AY, SP, GY, LA, EJ, HD, PN, PG, KE, DR, NJ, LF, and FE packages, and you've added over $6000 in options and the sticker climbs to just over $28,000. For a 4 cylinder!<p>(from edmunds)<p> UP  Upgrade "L" Package info $1,030<br> SR  Power Sunroof info $900 $<br> AY  16" x 7" Aluminum Wheels info $895 <br> AL  16" x 7" Aluminum Wheels info $895 <br> SP  Sport Package info $780 <br> GY  Side Curtain Airbags info $680<br> LA  Leather Seats info $670 <br> AA  16" x 7" Aluminum Wheels info $645 <br> EJ  JBL Premium 3-in-1 6-CD Audio info $470 <br> HD  Seat Heaters info $440 <br> AW  16" x 7" Aluminum Wheels info $400 <br> PN  Anti-Theft System w/Engine Immobilizer info $330 <br> PG  Rear Privacy Glass info $310 <br> KE  Keyless Entry info $230 <br> DR  Roof Rack w/Center Rails info $220 <br> PC  Special Color info $220 <br> RF  Rear Spoiler info $200 <br> LS  Leather Steering Wheel info $170 <br> NJ  Homelink Garage Door Opener info $125 <br> EC  EC Rearview Mirror info $125 <br> LF  Front Fog Lamps info $110<br> CD  Removable Tonneau Cover info $90<br> MA  Wide Mudguards info $60<br> MG  Mudguards info $60<br> RL  Daytime Running Lights info $40<br> FE  50 State Emissions info

Rugbyplaya91
04-04-2005, 02:38 PM
why the hell are vws so expensive?

Uberwagon
04-04-2005, 03:14 PM
Exchange rate. The dollar isn't worth squat right now (and won't be for the foreseable future). Also, and more to the point, Germany is very labor-friendly so production costs are quite high. That's why German cars (VERY, VERY generally speaking) are expensive and which explains why VW and others have been keen on building production capacity outside of German borders; VW was the first to build a foreign manufacturing plant in the US (Pensylvania) and now have large production capacity in Mexico. <p>Anyone know where the Beduin is going to be built?

piokor
04-04-2005, 03:55 PM
I think autoweek reported that it's going to be built in Mexico because it's based on the Jetta platform.

CalinG7
04-04-2005, 04:07 PM
Never heard of the Pennsylvania factory. Does it still exist?<p>Verdegrl, I see what you're saying, but paying/charging $28,000 for a Rav4 is just as crazy as the $30,000 challenger from VW.

Verdegrrl
04-04-2005, 07:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Never heard of the Pennsylvania factory. Does it still exist?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not any more. Shut down in the early '90s. Crappy build quality and union troubles.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CalinG7</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Verdegrl, I see what you're saying, but paying/charging $28,000 for a Rav4 is just as crazy as the $30,000 challenger from VW. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed. Imported car prices are going to keep rising, given the dropping dollar. Well, at least you'll get a the 6 cylinder from VW.

Uberwagon
04-04-2005, 11:51 PM
Yeah, the Penn factory was in Westmorland - I had an original '83 *Rabbit* GTI from there (remember those?!). The car was fantastic but it took everything I had to keep it running! <p>At $30k (if that's true) this Bedouin creature had better kick tail on the X3. Not that the X3 is all that good (very questionable handling traits), but they'll certainly be cross-shopped by the same segment of buyers. My guess is the BMW brand will win that battle...

Santeno
04-06-2005, 09:38 AM
<b>New (old) Pics from Autobild:</b><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60575.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/51935.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><b>Article (in german, <u>please translate</u>):</b><p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=8065" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/aktuell...=8065</A><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 4:09 PM 4/6/2005</i>

ndjan
04-06-2005, 02:24 PM
Sorry to nitpick, but a lot of the RAV4 packages overlap. Most of those options are included in the L package, and you can't get the sport package with the L package. I've never seen a RAV4 even approach 26K. My guess is that with VW's spotty reliability and disappointing sales, only a 1,000 premium over a similarly equipped RAV4 would make sense. With the dollar/euro issue, I only see it feasable if its builtin the U.S.

Verdegrrl
04-07-2005, 10:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry to nitpick, but a lot of the RAV4 packages overlap. Most of those options are included in the L package, and you can't get the sport package with the L package. I've never seen a RAV4 even approach 26K. My guess is that with VW's spotty reliability and disappointing sales, only a 1,000 premium over a similarly equipped RAV4 would make sense. With the dollar/euro issue, I only see it feasable if its builtin the U.S.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I apologise if there is option overlap. I just buzzed through the list, trying to think of what you might find on a V6 VW. <p>That VR6 is going to be worth more than a $1000 premium over a comparably equipped 4 cylinder Toyota. Now the 2.0T version of the VW would certainly be in the same ballpark.

carrera4
05-19-2005, 08:47 AM
<br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70235.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70235.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70236.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70236.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70237.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70237.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70238.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70238.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70239.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70239.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70240.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/70240.jpg</A><br>

Bern
05-20-2005, 01:36 AM
Are these last shots the real thing or just a test mule?<p>The body is just the one from the Golf Plus.

jahc24
05-25-2005, 12:44 AM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6050524.001/6050524.001.1M.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...M.jpg</A> <p>More Info:<p> <A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050524.001" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...4.001</A> <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 10:38 AM 5/25/2005</i>

copic
05-25-2005, 01:32 AM
thanks, i think we had that already. Its a chop based on the spypics we had ...nothing serious.

brownjigga
05-25-2005, 01:40 PM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6050524.001/6050524.001.1M.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s...M.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/SpyPhotos/6050524.001/6050524.001.Mini2L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/S...L.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 1:52 PM 5/25/2005</i>

LEXUS FAN!
05-25-2005, 03:45 PM
is this supposed to compete with the B-class??

Santeno
05-26-2005, 08:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is this supposed to compete with the B-class??</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not the B is an MPV, this is a small crossover SUV.

brownjigga
05-26-2005, 12:30 PM
now is this supposeivly going to share the same platform as the rumer Lamborghini suv<p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-11195-211560-990/Lamborghini%20LMOOX.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...X.jpg</A>

Santeno
05-26-2005, 12:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>brownjigga</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now is this supposeivly going to share the same platform as the rumer Lamborghini suv<p><A HREF="http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-11195-211560-990/Lamborghini%20LMOOX.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.autoweek.com/ser...X.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>As was answered the last time you asked, no. This is a much smaller golf based vehicle. The SUPPOSED lamborghini would be based on something bigger (assuming it doesn't get it's own platform). The OLD rummors regarding the proposed ML had it being based on a modified Touareg/cayenne/QX7 platform. The answer is that no-one knows for sure. <p>Now back on topic please.

mirage77
06-08-2005, 06:34 AM
The VW Benduin (If that is its name) looks really promising! Design wise, it's aesthetically balanced and looks like something which can help VW in its laurels now!

kuules
06-13-2005, 12:17 AM
I think that this first photo is a chop, but im not sure.<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9657_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9658_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><br>source: tcc<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 9:57 AM 6/13/2005</i>

Santeno
06-13-2005, 06:57 AM
Yes the first image is heavily altered.

Blob
06-13-2005, 08:57 AM
the second image looks like a crashed Golf Plus.

Ascariss
06-13-2005, 10:18 AM
Lehmann always alters his pictures, stupid if you ask me, since most of the times he is wrong.

toni
07-18-2005, 05:40 AM
Some new pictures:<p><A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/87379/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...kip=0</A><p><A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/87379/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...kip=1</A><p>and information:<p><A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/86429" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/86429</A> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 9:16 AM 7/18/2005</i>

toni
07-20-2005, 05:18 AM
and this time a new AutoBild picture:<p> <IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/74575.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>According to AutoBild, it's "VW Marrakesh (2006)":<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/projektor/projektor.php?artikel_id=9257&pos=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/projekt...pos=3</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 9:55 AM 7/20/2005</i>

Ascariss
07-20-2005, 11:06 AM
wtf, no watermark from autobild? rather odd. seems to be a mixture of everyithing, passat headlights, golf plus inner clusters. hmm too many things going on in the chop, rims seem flat too.

against the wall
07-20-2005, 11:44 AM
and look at the bigger tire on the passengers side. seems to be a recurring theme in autobild's chops (example: the mini variants).

Blob
07-21-2005, 09:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>toni</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and this time a new AutoBild picture:<p> <IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/74575.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>According to AutoBild, it's "VW Marrakesh (2006)":<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/projektor/projektor.php?artikel_id=9257&pos=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/projekt...pos=3</A><p><br><i>Modified by Santeno at 9:55 AM 7/20/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>what the hell is that <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

Fabia SDI Elegance
07-22-2005, 09:06 AM
Source: Autorevue<p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autorevue.cz/Images/5666/11.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autorevue.cz/Images/5666/22.jpg" BORDER="0">

Santeno
07-22-2005, 09:31 AM
Those autoreveu pics are old. If I recall correctly they are chops based on lehman (I think) pics of a disguised prototype.

Spy Guy
07-22-2005, 10:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> If I recall correctly they are chops based on lehman (I think) pics of a disguised prototype.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, it was AUTOMEDIA. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

endel
09-27-2005, 10:04 AM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050927.003/volkswagen/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/n....html</A> <p><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050927.003/2050927.003.1L.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Volkswagen Compact SUV to be built in Wolfsburg</B><p>The Board of Management of Volkswagen AG decided on Monday evening to build the compact SUV with AUTO 5000 at the Wolfsburg plant. The decision was preceded by negotiations with the General Works Council and the IG Metall trade union to establish an economically viable basis. At the same time, the Board of Management made a commitment to build a new model at the Emden plant from 2008.<p>Dr. Wolfgang Bernhard, Chairman of the Board of Management of the Volkswagen brand, said: We are pleased that, together with the Works Council and IG Metall, we have been able to make the necessary cost reduction of some 850 Euro per vehicle. Finding a solution was not easy for any of those involved. What is important, however, is that we can now produce and export the vehicle from Germany at competitive conditions.<p>The compact SUV will be built by AUTO 5000 GmbH. To this end, approximately 1,000 apprentices at Volkswagen AG who will have completed their training in 2006 or 2007 will join the present workforce at AUTO 5000. The apprentices will be hired at AUTO 5000 terms of employment, but are to be given an undertaking from Volkswagen AG to return to employment there in the event of manpower requirements at the company.<p>Bernd Osterloh, Chairman of the General Works Council, said: It was important for us to build the compact SUV in Wolfsburg and safeguard jobs for over 1,000 colleagues.<p>The collective bargaining partners also agreed to build a further model from the product initiative at the Emden plant under a modified company collective agreement, the terms of which still have to be finalized. This assumes that an economically viable basis for the vehicle can be found. Details will be settled by mid-October.<p>Furthermore, the management and Works Council also decided to enhance the competitiveness of the Wolfsburg plant further in order to build an additional model in Wolfsburg on this basis. Decisions are still pending.<br>

knicks125
09-27-2005, 10:30 AM
<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050927/ap_on_bi_ge/germany_volkswagen_suv;_ylt=AqJzXY8oEhdf8h5r3HLsbm Bv24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGI2aDNqBHNlYwM3NDk-" TARGET="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...M3NDk</A><p><B>Marrakesh</B>, the next mini-touareg

Hornbag
09-28-2005, 02:58 AM
And how do we pronouce that?<p>Twar-reg was hard enough to learn...and i still dont know if i say it right

Top Secret
09-28-2005, 03:10 AM
Just say it out it's spelt.<p>Marra and kesh. Not hard at all. If you don't know how to say 'kesh', just say 'cash' in a Kiwi accent.

Hornbag
09-28-2005, 03:28 AM
Well how do u know that, Touareg is pronounced Twar-reg, not Tou-a-reg...<p>Can someone else clear this up...

Top Secret
09-28-2005, 03:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well how do u know that</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Because I've heard it before (city in Morocco if I'm not mistaken) and that's how it's pronounced.<p>How else would it be pronounced? I can't find any variations of pronouncing that word.

Tidal
09-28-2005, 11:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Because I've heard it before (city in Morocco if I'm not mistaken) and that's how it's pronounced.<p>How else would it be pronounced? I can't find any variations of pronouncing that word.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Try mare - a - catch ( leaving the t out ). And yes, it is a city in Morocco.<p>Dammit, i was really hoping AutoEuropa would get this, they really need a new car to be viable.

StevenZoz
09-28-2005, 06:58 PM
its tour-egg. anyways... that's such a tease; that picture... i just hope its not too small... for escape size would be nice... when's the unveiling for this?

Ascariss
09-28-2005, 07:08 PM
Doesn't look too large if you ask, and I am trying to compare it to the door behind it, which more or less looks to be a standard garage like door. It is Golf based, so it can't be too much larger than the golf it sits on.<p>The odd thing is, if it's the actual golf suv, then it is supposed to arrive in 2006 I believe, but then it could come earlier <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> Compared to the spy pics, unless the spy pics are the cross golf, not the real golf SUV, but saying the spy pics are the actual suv, then the styling won't be anything like the mules using the golf plus body. Seeing as the roof seems to stretch farther back and doesn't drop as much as it does on the golf plus.

phaeton
09-28-2005, 07:55 PM
Twar-eeg is correct, although I pronounce it both ways, say really fast chew a egg. <br>I remember VW America website had a multimedia icon on the name when it was 1st released, it was quite humourous.<p>Back to subject I want to see whats under those covers, I'm sick of the p-shops of it.<p><B>Ascariss</B>- <I>from spyshots and the shot pictured, it looks like it will be Golf Plus based which I truly hope it isn't, as it would sell better styled in a Rav 4 or X-Trail way.<p>That isn't a garage door look in between the union boss & the car on the rh side of the screen it ends before hitting the bottom.<p>VW are teasing us especially with those two smiling.<p>Maybe they've extended the Golf Plus shell with big bumpers & D pillar etc ?<p>Could possibly debut at Tokyo,when is Tokyo show?</I><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by phaeton at 8:36 PM 9/28/2005</i>

Hornbag
09-29-2005, 03:06 AM
Arrrr i see, thanks phaeton!

phaeton
09-30-2005, 12:48 AM
Its a pretty silly thing that "chew a egg" I got carried away <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> repeating it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Public Warning Don't repeat it in public <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> people may think your strange.

StevenZoz
10-12-2005, 07:54 PM
<A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=107459" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...07459</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stevenzoz at 11:02 PM 10/12/2005</i>

MtViewGuy188
10-12-2005, 11:07 PM
One thing mentioned in that article was the editors at Edmunds.com wondering if VW will offer their <i>Pumpe Duese</i> turbodiesel engines on the US-market Marrakesh.<p>If Volkswagen can make their PD150 and PD170 engines meet the California Air Resources Board 2007 emissions standard for diesel engines, then I think it could happen. The transmission choices will likely be six-speed manual and six-speed DSG units.

WOB
12-17-2005, 10:00 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2277/golf54x4decembre2005012lv.th.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6015/golf54x4decembre2005027ea.th.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/7963/golf54x4decembre2005031sx.th.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Here of new images of Volkswagen Beduin.<p>Source:<A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net</A>

WOB
12-17-2005, 02:28 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7619/golf54x4decembre2005017hv.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7086/golf54x4decembre2005022zw.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/4144/golf54x4decembre2005037sp.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>sorry Ascariss <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Good I hope that now is ok.<br>Here of new images of Volkswagen Beduin

Roadster44
12-17-2005, 05:18 PM
Ha I love how the rear bumper cover is cracked. Nice one VW! Where did they get those plastics from? South Korea? Even Hyundai can do better.<p>Let's start a count of how many people were offended by my post. I love it!!

JBlair
12-17-2005, 05:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ha I love how the rear bumper cover is cracked. Nice one VW! Where did they get those plastics from? South Korea? Even Hyundai can do better.<p>Let's start a count of how many people were offended by my post. I love it!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you think it will offend people, then why even post it. Besides that, your post is incredibly flawed because this mule is still operating with fake body panels (one of which seems to have come loose on the back).

geary
12-17-2005, 06:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because I've heard it before (city in Morocco if I'm not mistaken) and that's how it's pronounced.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm pretty sure it's Marra-Kesh, like you said Top Secret, and it's a big, big city in Morocco.

phaeton
12-18-2005, 01:02 AM
<B>Have news the above cars is a mule. </B><p><B>The Golf Plus will sprawn into the Cross Golf due release July</B> and the <B>Small 4WD will be above it so it won't look like the Golf Plus</B>

gawid
12-18-2005, 06:49 AM
<A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=438" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=438</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=439" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=439</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=440" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=440</A><br>

mzoltarp
12-18-2005, 08:41 AM
When i click those links I get the message "you are not authorized to view..."

WOB
12-18-2005, 10:28 AM
It that you is recorded <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
12-18-2005, 10:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WOB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It that you is recorded <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>from what i know, recorded isnt an adjective.

WOB
12-18-2005, 10:40 AM
Spoken to you quite English??<br>me not spoken quite English<p>Thank you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

phaeton
12-20-2005, 11:02 PM
looks like they are tow testing

iamalittlepepper
12-20-2005, 11:28 PM
I think VW is abandoning PD for CRD.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MtViewGuy188</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One thing mentioned in that article was the editors at Edmunds.com wondering if VW will offer their <i>Pumpe Duese</i> turbodiesel engines on the US-market Marrakesh.<p>If Volkswagen can make their PD150 and PD170 engines meet the California Air Resources Board 2007 emissions standard for diesel engines, then I think it could happen. The transmission choices will likely be six-speed manual and six-speed DSG units.</TD></TR></TABLE>

phaeton
12-21-2005, 04:27 AM
I posted on the subject in rumors forum a while back now

synthesis
12-21-2005, 11:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>WOB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spoken to you quite English??<br>me not spoken quite English<p>Thank you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ahh, the magic of online translators....

WOB
12-21-2005, 06:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ahh, the magic of online translators....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0">

DrPetrus
01-23-2006, 04:48 PM
New? <p><A HREF="http://auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/16023_1137167838763.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-news.de/webcore/da...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/16023_1137167754348.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-news.de/webcore/da...8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/16023_1137167877667.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-news.de/webcore/da...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/16023_1137167787399.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-news.de/webcore/da...9.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/16023_1137167838763.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-news.de/webcore/da...3.jpg</A>

StevenZoz
01-23-2006, 05:43 PM
wow. that is sooo nice. i'd buy it

sashok
01-23-2006, 07:23 PM
I usually don't jump to conclusions on pre-production spy pics nor do I usually compare cars by saying "it looks like ______", but this really looks like the Kia Sportage/Hyundai Tucson combo... of which I'm not a big fanatic of... (especially so from the 4th picture posted by DrPetrus)<p>But I'll just have to wait and see how it looks in person, I guess.

SHEPO
01-23-2006, 07:34 PM
i like it, but wut's with the front? the bumper is really high and the overall frontend design is out of proportion. it almost looks bug-eyed. but like sashok, i won't jump to conclusions just yet and i'll wait to see how it looks in person.

mattthebad
01-24-2006, 02:46 AM
I'm sure this a a test mule. The front maybe close to production, but the back is golf plus which is obviously out of proportion. If this would be the real car it 'd be heavily cladded.

mzoltarp
01-24-2006, 06:34 AM
lets hope

Santeno
01-25-2006, 10:49 AM
There is definitely something odd with the proportions of the front quarter. It looks almost as though it belonged to a different vehicle. I hope tht's just due to the angle of the picture and that the real life vehicle ends uo looking more balanced, for right now It's looking a bit too much like a jacked-up golf.

jumpingmatt
01-25-2006, 11:42 AM
<br>I think the front isn't even close - it lacks the giant new vw grill. I know the front isn't from any current model like the back of the mule is, but I think even it is pretty off. And it's from a car, not a truck, which is why the lower edge of the front spoiler is a good 6" higher than the lower edge of the rest of the car.

Supremus
01-25-2006, 12:04 PM
That's a Golf Plus with the front end of another car attached. The front wheel arches are bigger than the rear ones.

DSC-OFF
03-08-2006, 07:54 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.nextcar.com.au/i.vw.2005.osterloh.bernhard.05sep.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.nextcar.au" TARGET="_blank">NextCar</A><br> <br>

mzoltarp
03-08-2006, 04:29 PM
Great picture...yawn.

knicks125
03-08-2006, 04:50 PM
Old photo. Check page 4 for more info:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DSC-OFF</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.nextcar.com.au/i.vw.2005.osterloh.bernhard.05sep.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.nextcar.au" TARGET="_blank">NextCar</A><br> <br> </TD></TR></TABLE>

bhp
03-11-2006, 09:10 AM
VW....peoples car to up there peoples car...well volkswagen has been making cars that are well...good but not good enough it might have everything in it but there is something that people dont like about it. well the SUV looks like a golf.. and cayenne or toureag like design.

against the wall
03-11-2006, 09:25 AM
sooo.....whats your point?

mzoltarp
03-11-2006, 03:50 PM
I would think too little too late too high priced maybe? VW needs to build cars in China, drop their prices, and get back into the market. The "Marra-Bed" will no doubt be nice, but I fear it will be too tame.

[AP]adiweb
03-12-2006, 08:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would think too little too late too high priced maybe? VW needs to build cars in China, drop their prices, and get back into the market. The "Marra-Bed" will no doubt be nice, but I fear it will be too tame.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>damn it, germany has just over 5 million umemployed people, and you say vw has to outsource their production of cars to china? of course, vw and most of the other german car companies have to think about a way how to lower the production costs, but working places absolutly have to stay in the country!otherwise china and the asian countries will be the leading economical power with high employment and stuff like that and good old europe will suffer consequences of the "wannabe-good" globalization.

CosworthKid
03-12-2006, 06:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[AP</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">adiweb]<br>damn it, germany has just over 5 million umemployed people, and you say vw has to outsource their production of cars to china? of course, vw and most of the other german car companies have to think about a way how to lower the production costs, but working places absolutly have to stay in the country!otherwise china and the asian countries will be the leading economical power with high employment and stuff like that and good old europe will suffer consequences of the "wannabe-good" globalization.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well said! Besides, VW does not have more expensive products because they make em in Germany. Ford Europe and Opel are also situated in Germany and their products are much cheaper and, especially with Ford, getting to a very equal quality. VW has been platform sharing with all its other companies such as SEAT and Skoda and most importantly Audi and they have already saved a lot of money cause of it IMO. So the main reason for the price of VW products is just their own marketing decisions to appear more up-market. If Skoda can produce such suberb quality and refinement when its cars are all pretty much Golf, Passat and Polo clones, at such a great price then VW can as well. Germany needs more jobs, not less.

the future
03-13-2006, 02:38 AM
News about Marrakech's name: VW has selected 5 possible names. Now, they let the readers of "AutoBild" decide which one they should chose finally.<p>For me, all of them sound weird: NANUK, NAMIB, ROCKTON, SAMUN, TIGUAN.<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/meldungen/artikel.php?artikel_id=10940" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/aktuell...10940</A>

mzoltarp
03-13-2006, 06:40 AM
If auto workers in Germany (or USA for that matter) want to keep jobs so they don't go to china, they they need to take DEEP pay cuts so that their slice of the pie isn't submarining the company. As a consumer I feel no need to pay more just because a union has gotten its way over the years and then does not have the guts to say that they need wage slashes to keep jobs. Having been a union negotiator, the company can be bleeding red ink and the union will still ask for more money and benefits.

Reppu
03-13-2006, 07:29 AM
That's very true. I'll tell you some facts: the guy that sticks the badge in the wolfsburg plant, earns little less money than me, and i'm aeronauthics engineer with 8 years of experience and a very good job in Spain. The cost of life is bigger in Germany of course......around 10% more according to latest statistics i've read. But earnings are around 50-60% bigger. My point is, if salaries are too big, the company will struggle to survive in the long term because they will not be competitive. Then there are two options: move production to a cheaper country, or reduce salaries. Keep in mind that most of the cost is always salaries, not I+D or materials cost. Unions, besides, always tend to 'kill the golden eggs chicken' as we say here.

CosworthKid
03-13-2006, 01:19 PM
What you say makes a lot of sense mate. But i still have the same question : how can Ford and Opel make cars in Germany and still sell them at a much more reasonable price than VW? I know that Ford has factories in other countries as well such as Spain and Russia but still..and Opel? VW just needs to primarily stop pitching its products as premiums cause that is the main reason why they are more expensive..they want them to be like that. A Golf offers NOTHING more than a Focus or Astra, and even the so called VW quality has been achieved by many other cheaper brands such as Ford. So ok, the high salaries in Germany pay a factor in this in the same way that lower salaries in China do as well. But VW could have cheaper products if they got off their high horse and start playing a fair game. The just dont make sense anymore. We heard about a VW Golf soft-top convertible coming which will be cheaper than the Eos; well just wait and see, i bet you that convertible will still be MORE expensive than CC offerings from other brands. <br>Now as for this SUV, to be honest im getting so bored and fed up with VW's marketing and products that i cannot get excited at the moment..at least till i see some actual screen shots and specs..of, and prices <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
03-14-2006, 12:44 AM
We both are right:<p>- Building quality is much better in VW than in Ford or Opel. As example, just look at the roof laser welding of Golf and Passat, no other brand does that.<p>- Pietscriefdtreoerieder stated that they are not interested in changing their pricing policy of having "prices 10% above competitors". that says it all.<p>- VW workers earnings are too high. I believe they have the biggest salaries in the whole automotive industry.<p>So it's not just one factor, is the sum of them all.<p>With respect the car, i'm not very interested either.

DrPetrus
03-14-2006, 06:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pietscriefdtreoerieder.....</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
03-14-2006, 06:48 AM
If Opel and Ford's European quality is lower than VW then maybe it's a good thing that they are not imported to the USA because VW has a high warranty rate, which is another thing that is killing them.

DSC-OFF
03-22-2006, 11:39 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autozeitung.de/images/teaser/aktuelles_heft.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">AutoExpress</A><br> <br>

DrPetrus
03-22-2006, 10:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If Opel and Ford's European quality is lower than VW then maybe it's a good thing that they are not imported to the USA because VW has a high warranty rate, which is another thing that is killing them.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What they are lacking is VW's tactile sense of quality not actual build-quality. Most people when sitting in and comparing a VW with a Toyota will say that the quality of the VW is higher. It's the same with Ford and Opel. However, there is no denying that Toyota's car are holding together much better. Opel and Ford both are doing better than VW in the annual "cartesting" that all cars in Sweden has to go through.<br>It's the timeless battle of judging by exteriors or behaviours.

Spy Guy
04-13-2006, 04:44 AM
Heres the first real spy shot!!<p> <IMG SRC="http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/11/88111/400_6238643232386364.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Source: Auto Bild

Blob
04-13-2006, 07:19 AM
looks agressive

zeoduro11
04-13-2006, 09:00 AM
where have you found it?<br>I cant find it at Autobild.de<p>best regards

CosworthKid
04-13-2006, 09:23 AM
I thought this would look like the last VW SUV concept, shown not so long ago..but this looks to have the typical Jetta/Golf type headlamps. Still looks nice i guess. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
04-13-2006, 10:24 AM
Some stand-out styling would be nice from Volkswagen. The corporate nose shouldn't have to be on every vehicle. I am almost surprised they haven't grafted it onto the Beetle. Let's hope this vehicle looks both attractive and aggressive when it arrives.

Ascariss
04-13-2006, 11:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zeoduro11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where have you found it?<br>I cant find it at Autobild.de<p>best regards</TD></TR></TABLE><p>that is because the picture is from the magzine.

phaeton
04-13-2006, 06:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Spy Guy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heres the first real spy shot!!<p> <IMG SRC="http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/11/88111/400_6238643232386364.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Source: Auto Bild</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for pic looks really good & agressive <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Nurburgring
04-13-2006, 06:41 PM
So this is a competitor to the...X3 or the RAV4?

zeoduro11
04-14-2006, 03:54 AM
I think both of them.<br>But the car looks pretty nice, but we don`t know if the headlights look this way or it's just due to the tape on them.<br>If you compare the form of the bonnet with the one of the Concept A than you can see it's very different, so I'm surprised how the front will look like

Mr. Fusion
04-14-2006, 04:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zeoduro11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think both of them.<br>But the car looks pretty nice, but we don`t know if the headlights look this way or it's just due to the tape on them.<br>If you compare the form of the bonnet with the one of the Concept A than you can see it's very different, so I'm surprised how the front will look like</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was thinking the same things. People on other car webforums think the front looks like the Concept A. I was saying it could be the Touareg Coupe and not the Concept A

Spy Guy
04-14-2006, 09:21 AM
I scanned it out of the Auto Bild print issue. BUT: This is not the VW SUV, its the Nissan SUV (Qashqai)!!!!!! Compare this:<p> <A HREF="http://www.japanesecarfans.com/spyphotos/6060330.001/6060330.001.mini3L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.japanesecarfans.com...L.jpg</A><p>

JBlair
04-14-2006, 10:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Spy Guy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I scanned it out of the Auto Bild print issue. BUT: This is not the VW SUV, its the Nissan SUV (Qashqai)!!!!!! Compare this:<p> <A HREF="http://www.japanesecarfans.com/spyphotos/6060330.001/6060330.001.mini3L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.japanesecarfans.com...L.jpg</A><p> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not so sure if you're right about that. A Mag like AutoBild would check the number plate for its registration before publishing a story like that.

mattthebad
04-14-2006, 11:14 AM
I also thought this was a Nissan. Just look at the grill. Pretty obvious this is in line with Nissan Note and Murano.

JBlair
04-14-2006, 11:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mattthebad</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I also thought this was a Nissan. Just look at the grill. Pretty obvious this is in line with Nissan Note and Murano.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Check out this pic of the concept A though; the grille and the entire front fascia are similarly shaped. <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.racewaynews.net/immagini/articoli/606/1a.jpg" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
04-14-2006, 11:39 AM
AutoBild journalists are always accurate and they are not your run-of-the-mill tabloid magazine(like AutoExpress) which would publish things without being sure. So unless they specified that this is only a speculation, then this IS the VW SUV, no doubt.

Spy Guy
04-14-2006, 02:17 PM
Im sorry but youre wrong. Auto Bild was lots of times wrong with identifying prototypes. Sometimes they have NO IDEA! I know what Im talking about. And there are more pics existing right now - wait for them and youll see that Im right.

Ascariss
04-14-2006, 02:35 PM
I would agree, autobild has been wrong sometimes and they are not always correct with their information, it happens rarely but they screw up. <p>IDing spy pics isn't always easy. I saw the nissan prototype a few months back and thought it was a lexus, granted it was at a distance, but showed no styling that would suggst a nissan.

against the wall
04-14-2006, 04:19 PM
except for huckfeldt. hes most of the time spot on with his impressions.

Ascariss
04-14-2006, 04:49 PM
Not always sadly, sometimes has redone some to make them more accurate, CLS was one.

zeoduro11
04-14-2006, 10:32 PM
I think it's a VW.<br>Just have a look at the grill,it seems like the chrome grill is taped,I think you can well imagine the grill without tape and you have excatly the new VW family face...

mattthebad
04-15-2006, 06:54 AM
But the lower part of the grill does not match. Also this car seems way to big to be the golf suv. It must have the size of almost a touareg. The passengers sit very much apart, don't they?

mzoltarp
04-15-2006, 07:20 AM
It would not be a bad move for VW to have a Toaureg-sized soft roader sized and priced like a Toyota Highlander. The Golf-based SUV needs to be a soft roader sized and priced like a Rav4. Giving the Toaureg its considerable offroad capabilities is admirable but misguided. There's big money in soft roaders.

jts
06-08-2006, 02:58 AM
Here's a rendering of what the SUV version of the Golf Plus might look like.<p><A HREF="http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=62b5b7d142e2a2ca06e88ffebacc7b.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8744/62b5b7d142e2a2ca06e88ffebacc7b.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

SaSSou
07-20-2006, 05:13 AM
<A HREF="http://media.autobild.de/bild/0/5814af89855b3ab228cb4e01722b37d0_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://media.autobild.de/bild/...1.jpg</A>

mzoltarp
07-20-2006, 06:44 AM
Looks like an accurate guess as to its appearance. Have there been any developments on its name? All of the ones I've seen floating around are horrifically bad. I'm so hoping it does not get called Namib or Rockton.

Tidal
07-20-2006, 07:10 AM
AMS is referring to it as Tiguan:<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-sport-online.de/news/auto_und_produkte/vw_golf_suv_heisst_tiguan.119029.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-sport-on...9.htm</A><p>Nice sketch too, much like the chop above.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by DeadDave at 6:13 PM 7/20/2006</i>

synthesis
07-20-2006, 07:16 AM
Yeah, time to change the thread name. The official name will be Tiguan. <p><A HREF="http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060720/FREE/60720001/1065/TOC01ARCHIVE" TARGET="_blank">http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs....CHIVE</A>

kilibre
07-20-2006, 08:34 AM
Hi<p>official release of Volkswagen: the new Tiguan, little sister of Touareg.<br>It sims like the concept A.<p>link: <A HREF="http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=968" TARGET="_blank">http://www.racewaynews.net/articolo.php?a_id=968</A><p>see ya!

Santeno
07-20-2006, 08:52 AM
High Res pic:<p><A HREF="http://cwimg.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CW&Date=20060720&Category=FREE&ArtNo=60720001&Ref=AR&Profile=1065&MaxW=800" TARGET="_blank">http://cwimg.us.publicus.com/a...W=800</A>

against the wall
07-20-2006, 11:05 AM
tiguan...gonna have to say that a lot to get used to it. though i have no idea if its tee-gwan or tie-gwan or something different.

jhaber
07-20-2006, 12:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Spy Guy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I scanned it out of the Auto Bild print issue. BUT: This is not the VW SUV, its the Nissan SUV (Qashqai)!!!!!! Compare this:<p> <A HREF="http://www.japanesecarfans.com/spyphotos/6060330.001/6060330.001.mini3L.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.japanesecarfans.com...L.jpg</A><p> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, that's definetely not a VW. Even if it was, it's definetely not the Tiguan. I agree that it's most likely a Nissan.<br>*

the1
07-20-2006, 12:43 PM
So Huckfeldt's cgi is 90% accurate, as always. Tiguan... interesting name. The design seems to be a bit revolutionary for VW. Nice move.

mzoltarp
07-20-2006, 01:16 PM
In my opinion, VW needs a NORMAL non-bizarre name. As for the design being revolutionary, it's an all wheel drive Golf with a rock 'em sock 'em styled body.

the1
07-20-2006, 01:27 PM
I know that. That doesn't mean it can't be good or cool. It's revolutionary only in therms of design.

Santeno
07-20-2006, 02:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's revolutionary only in therms of design.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>How do you figure that's the case? What about this vehicle's design is so revolutionary that other vehicles are not currently doing?

the1
07-20-2006, 03:03 PM
Revolutionary for VW, not the entire industry. It looks fresh and more modern than the current models in VWs line-up.

mzoltarp
07-20-2006, 07:56 PM
I see an amalgam of current VW styling themes...nothing new.

JBlair
07-20-2006, 09:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see an amalgam of current VW styling themes...nothing new.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dunno, I think its more sculpted than any VW on the market, and much more aggressive to boot.

Gian86
07-20-2006, 10:13 PM
Tiguan. That's very nice name for small suv from VW. Hope it looks good when the real metal version comes out.

the1
07-21-2006, 03:07 AM
It probably won't be as aggressive as that sketch, it will look more like the cgi.

against the wall
07-21-2006, 09:52 AM
well most cars never really look like the sketch but the basic principles in the design are there in the sketch.

mzoltarp
07-21-2006, 10:52 AM
The basic problem for VW's marketing is that the name is not immediately pronounceable. Some will call it TEEgwan, Some TIEgwan, some teeGWAN, and still others tieGWAN. Merchandizing 101: the product has to have a memorable (Tiguan is memorable) and immediately pronouceable (not) name. I suspect that in passing conversation some will assume the vehicle is the Taiwan. Dune--taken from the Beetle show car--would have been a simple and obvious alternative. I shudder to think what the Chrywagen van will be called. Let's see if we combine "leopard" and "salamander" we come up with the Volkswagen Leoander, which is just as nonsensical as Tiguan. Sarcasm perhaps but not far fetched given the bizarre names developed for this sport cute. I would have thought that Wolgfang B. would have intervened given his keen awareness of the US market. The vehicle now has to be beyond amazing in every way to convince people to get past the name.

against the wall
07-21-2006, 11:29 AM
there probably will be a commercial on people pronouncing it differently like they did for the touareg. by the way, is it ee-os or ay-os.

Mil
07-21-2006, 12:29 PM
Nice name, but there is a very, very small chance that it might get mispronounced by some.

mzoltarp
07-21-2006, 01:42 PM
In realm English linguistics all of the pronunciations I noted are correct and would vary regionally.

Miyka'el
07-21-2006, 03:01 PM
I pronounced it "TIH-goo-awn" when first I saw it. Now I'm thinking it's likely "TIE-gwaun," but then again.... <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> At least it looks great, yeah? They'll eventually tell us how to say it.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike

Miyka'el
07-21-2006, 03:03 PM
Actually, it's a mixture of "Tiger" and "Leguan" -- the German word for iguana.<p>Mike

Miyka'el
07-21-2006, 03:14 PM
I personally <I>like</I> to say "AY-os," but I think it's really "EE-os"....<p>Mike

mzoltarp
07-21-2006, 03:15 PM
It's EE ohs.

against the wall
07-21-2006, 07:10 PM
i like to say ay-os too, makes it sound more upscale for some reason.

David911
07-24-2006, 08:22 AM
back:<p><A HREF="http://media.autobild.de/bild/E/0481df553d9ddba074642eac3954125e_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://media.autobild.de/bild/...1.jpg</A><br>

CosworthKid
07-24-2006, 10:28 AM
It looks very handsome in that rear shot but im afraid VW designs are starting to look very organic, dunno why. Maybe its the front mask and rear lights..they somehow make all VW look more or less the same. That CG looks terrific because of the big wheels and twin tailpipes but if, when it makes it into production, is toned down like the Eos was then it will not seem that exciting to me anymore. Still, a nice looking car though<p>ps: i dislike the Eos style headlamps. I preffer the Touareg lamps more, those teardrops clusters look very clumsy IMO and on cars such as the Polo they look horrible

leftlanenews
08-01-2006, 04:47 AM
Breaking! Actual photos of the Volkswagen Tiguan!<br><A HREF="http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/08/01/breaking-actual-photos-of-the-volkswagen-tiguan" TARGET="_blank">http://www.leftlanenews.com/20...iguan</A>/

Smart22186
08-01-2006, 04:51 AM
looks like a toy next to that orange truck lol

mick78
08-01-2006, 05:34 AM
There is quite a lot of RAV-4 in the lines of that prototype - i really wonder why the newer Volkswagens start to look like Toyotas :(

mzoltarp
08-01-2006, 06:32 AM
It think the Tiguan (shudder) looks quite attractive. Now it comes down to delivering a quality product at a competitive price. This one will live or die entirely on it hitting the Rav 4 / CRV price point dollar for dollar feature for feature. It definitely looks a lot better proportioned than the Touareg. A VR6 Tiguan loaded for 30k would be awesome.

autodanse
08-01-2006, 08:19 AM
there's a whole lot of acura rdx in the profile<p>definitely handsome though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

neocheck
08-01-2006, 08:37 AM
is not this a offroad version of Golf plus...or is it really Tiguan....I aspected a bit different dashboard...not the same as in Golf Plus...over all it is cute... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

enit
08-01-2006, 08:44 AM
I really doubt this is a Tiguan. This even isn't a VW.<p>This could be some Acura / Honda small SAV. Or something similar.<p>But definitely not a VW.

neocheck
08-01-2006, 08:49 AM
it is VW...look at the head lights...verry similar to the ones used in the A concept

JBlair
08-01-2006, 08:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>enit</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really doubt this is a Tiguan. This even isn't a VW.<p>This could be some Acura / Honda small SAV. Or something similar.<p>But definitely not a VW.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nope, it is definitely the VW.

enit
08-01-2006, 08:57 AM
But this looks lame! Especially after showing us the Concept A & official sketches!

against the wall
08-01-2006, 09:48 AM
im reserving judgement until more camo comes off.

fubar
08-01-2006, 10:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>enit</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really doubt this is a Tiguan. This even isn't a VW.<p>This could be some Acura / Honda small SAV. Or something similar.<p>But definitely not a VW.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Look at the interior. It's definitely a VW.

CosworthKid
08-01-2006, 12:25 PM
Yeah its beyond doubt this is a VW. It looks solid, albeit not as radical as i hoped.

the1
08-01-2006, 12:32 PM
This is way too conservative compared to the official sketch. It's cute, but boring. Nothing dramatic and truly interesting.

SHEPO
08-01-2006, 12:53 PM
Yeah it's definitely a VW; check out that interior (esp. steering wheel). It's quite nice looking, a little conservative though. But with that said, what is that small SUV that was posted a while back?<p><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/V/volkswagen/golf-freestyle/03-large/VW-Cross-Golf-002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...2.jpg</A>

qazqaz
08-01-2006, 01:03 PM
And this Tiguan caught testing looks to have dashboard just like the Golf Plus<p><br><IMG SRC="http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/1281/vw30nv0.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8259/tigdashxo8.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img168.imageshack.us/im...8.jpg</A><p><i>Modified by qazqaz at 1:14 PM 8/1/2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 4:21 PM 8/1/2006</i>

the1
08-01-2006, 02:00 PM
Cost cutting a bit... after all, this is based on the Golf.<p>@SHEPO: That was just a test mule, based on the Plus.

SHEPO
08-01-2006, 03:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">@SHEPO: That was just a test mule, based on the Plus.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for clearing that up. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
08-01-2006, 04:18 PM
It screams VW in its styling, stance, and interior.

Reppu
08-02-2006, 09:30 AM
Like it was said, it will be a mini-Touareg, nothing more nothing less. I though VW was about to turn to a more sport-sleek looking? Not with this car i reckon.

SV
08-02-2006, 10:42 AM
it looks pretty good so far, but the sketch really raised my expectations too high...the prototype just looks so <I>ordinary</I> in comparison...

zeoduro11
08-03-2006, 04:26 AM
I compared some of the details to the AUTO BILD image.<br>First of all, I`m really disappointed of the dashboard. It is the same Audi does with Q7 and the A6. They should at least change it a little bit like the EOS and the GOLF.<p>Forget the front...<br>We can see so much camo,that we can say nothing.<br>But the whole and the whole in AUTOBILD fit togehter.<br>I guess the front will not look so dynamicly like AUTP Bild.<br>But the side of the car and the AUTOBILD really fit togehter, even there are some differents, I try to explayn. At firdt the second window. The protype `s windows are divided in 4 single parts.<br>At the body are 2 not just one(sorry,the german word is Knick)<br>The rear lights semm to fit, even ig I`m not sure if they will look as good as the AUTOBILD.<br>The place over the back wheels fot exactly.<p>All in all I think it will look tight.

LEXUS FAN!
08-03-2006, 10:38 PM
FIRST SPY SHOTS<p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/news/EXCLUSIVE-Spies-catch-the-best-photos-of-VW-s-X3-killer-7402" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/news/...-7402</A>/<p>it looks horribly disproportionate<p>i hope it's an early mule

phaeton
08-03-2006, 11:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FIRST SPY SHOTS<p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/news/EXCLUSIVE-Spies-catch-the-best-photos-of-VW-s-X3-killer-7402" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/news/...-7402</A>/<p>it looks horribly disproportionate<p>i hope it's an early mule</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks okay to me.<p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent001/SP32-20060803-212931.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/image...1.jpg</A><p>I see what you mean<p><A HREF="http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent001/SP32-20060803-212920.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autospies.com/image...0.jpg</A>

against the wall
08-03-2006, 11:23 PM
i hope its the camo that gives it it's disproportionateness. i want this to look good for some reason

phaeton
08-03-2006, 11:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>against the wall</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hope its the camo that gives it it's disproportionateness. i want this to look good for some reason</TD></TR></TABLE><p>x2<p>I also thought VW should have made it like a Rav4 (more conventional) in style not X3.

the1
08-04-2006, 02:30 AM
Still too simple and boring. I can't get used to the thought that VW did it again... they are launching another bland car that could have been so much better.

Hornbag
08-04-2006, 02:59 AM
The VW Toureg gets away without being visually exciting because it still looks classy IMO. But this looks too out of proportion. The windows look far too big for the car, and the tiny rear window looks awkward. The wheels do noting but amplify that big front overhang and tiny rear overhang, and the side mirrors are far too rounded for the car. The door handels look like they are slug too low too?<p>I dunno, this car just looks a little wrong. I supose the front will reminis of Toureg?

the1
08-04-2006, 03:09 AM
The front will look more like the one of the EOs.

Hornbag
08-04-2006, 03:39 AM
Oh ok, so the new corperate face will be grafted onto the SUV line as well. Interesting. I like it then.

mzoltarp
08-04-2006, 06:11 AM
I like the proportion and the general look BUT if this is aimed at the X3 and not the RAV4, it's dead in the water. It will come out aiming at a small slice of the sport cute market with an overblown price to match. RAV4/CRV/Tuscon is the sweet spot. If VW isn't there is isn't in the game.

enit
08-04-2006, 07:29 AM
I guess it is aimed at RAV4 & Co, not X3 & Co.<p>Especially with the Golf Plus interior. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Ascariss
08-04-2006, 09:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>enit</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess it is aimed at RAV4 & Co, not X3 & Co.<p>Especially with the Golf Plus interior. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>smartest move in a while by VW, the possibly can't compete against x3 and its co, it needs to be where the volume is, rav area.

CosworthKid
08-04-2006, 10:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>smartest move in a while by VW, the possibly can't compete against x3 and its co, it needs to be where the volume is, rav area.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Couldnt agree with u more. Im hoping Skoda will decide to make a version of this, it will suit the brand and Skoda's better reliability and even built quality record as well as lower price will make the brand a nice profit

Chris_Doane
08-04-2006, 10:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Couldnt agree with u more. Im hoping Skoda will decide to make a version of this, it will suit the brand and Skoda's better reliability and even built quality record as well as lower price will make the brand a nice profit</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Im not sure yet how similar it will be, but Skoda does have some Golf-based, smaller SUV coming for 2008. I dont think anyone has seen it yet.

LEXUS FAN!
08-05-2006, 10:28 AM
here are some more<p><A HREF="http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9338d" TARGET="_blank">http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee9338d</A>

StevenZoz
08-05-2006, 04:17 PM
what i'd like to see on this vehicle is styling from the Passat and Toureg combined. the passat styling would make it look sleek and sharp and the toureg styling would help it look muscular and luxurious.

zeoduro11
08-10-2006, 05:42 AM
I dont really like it...<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/heftarchiv/vorschau.php?oid=lD2pzD%2Bc7BEc%2BSgsIJVSkHIEMbSAg GMxXeOk7Yg%2BRRI5al7VvVgTjpWFbI2aKSFop%2Fo%2F6yjCA kgvP0xqg%2B0hJw%3D%3D" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/heftarc...3D%3D</A>

CosworthKid
08-10-2006, 12:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zeoduro11</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont really like it...<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/heftarchiv/vorschau.php?oid=lD2pzD%2Bc7BEc%2BSgsIJVSkHIEMbSAg GMxXeOk7Yg%2BRRI5al7VvVgTjpWFbI2aKSFop%2Fo%2F6yjCA kgvP0xqg%2B0hJw%3D%3D" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/heftarc...3D%3D</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont like it either. Looks like a van with Eos front, more commercial vehicle/MPV than off-roader IMO. I will wait for more pics to make up my mind though. But that Huckfeldt CG must be pretty accurate

the1
08-10-2006, 01:26 PM
Accurate and not just boring anymore... it's ugly!

JBlair
08-10-2006, 01:34 PM
That chop is not accurate at all. It is missing all of the body detail that we know will be on the final model (the bulge over the rear wheels, and some other details), and the front is not accurately reflective of the spy shots. Huckfeldt's is the most accurate, by far.

the1
08-10-2006, 02:18 PM
But this new cgi is made by Huckfeldt, too.

JBlair
08-10-2006, 02:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But this new cgi is made by Huckfeldt, too.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But how do you know that? There is no image credit given. Judging by the other chop (which we know for a fact huckfeldt made) this was either made earlier, or was made by another artist.

the1
08-10-2006, 02:34 PM
Well... it's from autobild, so theoretically it's a Huckfeldt.

knicks125
08-21-2006, 10:57 AM
<A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060816/AUTO03/608160355/1149/AUTO03" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb...UTO03</A>

CosworthKid
08-21-2006, 11:35 AM
Seems AutoBild last CG was spot on. And i stand by my previous comments : <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

Blob
08-22-2006, 01:47 AM
Really dislike the side of this car, can't Volkswagen produce SUV that is sharp looking and not the awkward blobby ones they seem to be producing (Toureg, Tiguan). If BMW can do it with there X5/3 then why can't VW.

against the wall
08-22-2006, 10:15 AM
oh man, i was getting really excited for this car because it was supposed to look like the concept a. besides the headlights, where is it? *cries*.

JBlair
08-22-2006, 01:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blob</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really dislike the side of this car, can't Volkswagen produce SUV that is sharp looking and not the awkward blobby ones they seem to be producing (Toureg, Tiguan). If BMW can do it with there X5/3 then why can't VW.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think you're the first person I've ever heard say that the Touareg was blobby and awkward. IMO, the Touareg is better looking than the X5 could ever hope to be.

CosworthKid
08-22-2006, 03:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> IMO, the Touareg is better looking than the X5 could ever hope to be.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMO the X5 is miles better than a Touareg. Sure the VW is nice looking but come on! It has no where near the character of the X5 and looks like a big Golf SUV. Not saying its ugly at all, just lacks the X5 character

Nodnarb
10-17-2006, 01:05 PM
Some new CGIs and shots of it testing.<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/rsslink.cfm/article/6061017.003/volkswagen/spy-photos-vw-tiguan" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/rs...iguan</A>

Chris_Doane
10-17-2006, 01:17 PM
Gee why do I recognize the photo used (without permission) for the base of that rear 3/4 illustration. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>We'll be in touch. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CD-BP at 7:39 PM 10/17/2006</i>

CosworthKid
10-17-2006, 01:59 PM
Such a crap looking car, taking back to the 90's VW and give us a break <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

sashok
10-17-2006, 06:53 PM
WTF is the window past the C-pillar so small? Even the Rav's windows looks longer...

jkkc
10-17-2006, 09:30 PM
Hey all, been an avid reader for quite awhile, but I am finally taking the plunge.....so here goes.<p>From the pics I think VW continues to test the limits of the VW demographic. All the while seeming to forget part of the VW appeal is that not too many folks drive them. In my mind, VW is a lot like Volvo--they have a loyal base but they've been 'stepping out' on that demographic a little more often of late.<p>The Phaeton went way too high--what's the point of the Audi brand? This offering may run a similar risk in that it sorta looks like a station wagen but without that level of functionality, and it looks like an SUV without the capability. Looks like a total compromise in my book. Oh wait, this will totally destroy Pontiac Vibe sales....ooohhh yeahh.

autonutt
10-17-2006, 10:31 PM
jkkc and I are completely on the same page.. why does VW bother to enter all these new segments with vehicles that can't meet or exceed the competition in function or styling? First it was the scIROCco concept, which attempts to be a small sports coupe but looks like nothing more than a squished, squared-off GTI.. and now this Tiguan, which attempts to be a small SUV (too small, like a Subaru Forester) but doesn't seem to have the capacity of its competitors, nor does it look anything like the concept -- just a stretched Golf/GTI.

spwolf
10-18-2006, 06:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jkkc</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey all, been an avid reader for quite awhile, but I am finally taking the plunge.....so here goes.<p>From the pics I think VW continues to test the limits of the VW demographic. All the while seeming to forget part of the VW appeal is that not too many folks drive them. In my mind, VW is a lot like Volvo--they have a loyal base but they've been 'stepping out' on that demographic a little more often of late.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>which is exactly the problem of VW in USA. VW is global auto brand, that has everything from cheap to expensive cars. Their sales goals are same as ones from Toyota.<p>It is only in US where they failed miserably, which is why you have wrong conception of VW.<p>Best way to describe VW to americans is that it is German Toyota. Fact that you think that biggest appeal of VW is that it is niche must sound horrifying to VW executives.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

jkkc
10-18-2006, 08:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>which is exactly the problem of VW in USA. VW is global auto brand, that has everything from cheap to expensive cars. Their sales goals are same as ones from Toyota.<p>It is only in US where they failed miserably, which is why you have wrong conception of VW.<p>Best way to describe VW to americans is that it is German Toyota. Fact that you think that biggest appeal of VW is that it is niche must sound horrifying to VW executives.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>SPWolf,<p>I do understand the global scale of VW operations and I will cede your point that VWs goals may in fact mirror those of Toyota. But the chief responsibility of a car company is to understand their markets. If VW wants to market everything from Yogos to Rolls class vehicles that's great, but they must know where each of those designs is best applied. Within the American market VW enjoys a niche I compared to Volvo. By that I meant VWs are typically driven by educated urbanites, which, on the average, tend to be purpose/quality driven consumers yet image conscious. Thus, one could surmise this vehicle which, in its current state, doesn't look to be competition to the RAV-4s or CR-Vs of the world, but rather the Vibes and Compasses may not be great for VWs overall image. But of course I could be dead wrong on my interpretation of VWs American 'image'.....<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by jkkc at 8:19 PM 10/18/2006</i>

sashok
10-19-2006, 05:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jkkc</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>SPWolf,<p>I do understand the global scale of VW operations and I will cede your point that VWs goals may in fact mirror those of Toyota. But the chief responsibility of a car company is to understand their markets. If VW wants to market everything from Yogos to Rolls class vehicles that's great, but they must know where each of those designs is best applied. Within the American market VW enjoys a niche I compared to Volvo. By that I meant VWs are typically driven by educated urbanites, which, on the average, tend to be purpose/quality driven consumers yet image conscious. Thus, one could surmise this vehicle which, in its current state, doesn't look to be competition to the RAV-4s or CR-Vs of the world, but rather the Vibes and Compasses may not be great for VWs overall image. But of course I could be dead wrong on my interpretation of VWs American 'image'.....<p><br><i>Modified by jkkc at 8:19 PM 10/18/2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Or we can just wait to see how the production model looks and make your up our minds about it then.<p>Personally, I love VW - there is something about their cars that is more... I don't know the word - thoughtful and more "designed", perhaps. Just compare the interior of the Jetta, Passat to that of a Corolla, Camry, Avalon, and I think you'll see what I'm talking about. They offer more... "taste".<p>Also they are the only full-like car manufacturer to offer wagons in their line-up.<br>On that note, they are the only "mainstream" manufacturer to offer sports versions of their vehicles like the GTI line, so I respect them for that (as I do the Civic Si). <p>Perhaps you should drive on down to your local VW dealer and take a look/drive in one of their products. You won't be dissapointed and that might change your overview/image of the brand. And don't even get me started on the warranties.<p>Cheers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

mzoltarp
10-19-2006, 05:45 AM
As a long-time VW driver who has parted way with the brand after 25 years of devotion, the main reasons I left were ever advancing outrageous pricing and ever declining quality. The windows in my New Beetle slammed down when the cheap plastic window regulators broke. My Corrado chewed a sunroof requiring a $2000 repair. And the list goes on. Being a niche brand like Volvo is a dumb idea for VW. They need to compete car for car, dollar for dollar with Toyota, Nissan, Honda, and Hyundai.

genea
11-29-2006, 01:16 AM
the official concept:<p><A HREF="http://www.leblogauto.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.leblogauto.com</A>/

genea
11-29-2006, 01:23 AM
and some more pics:<p><A HREF="http://caranddriver.com/autoshows/12024/volkswagen-tiguan-concept.html" TARGET="_blank">http://caranddriver.com/autosh....html</A>

CosworthKid
11-29-2006, 03:36 AM
...which have already been posted in Concepts section since it is a concept

StevenZoz
11-29-2006, 04:54 AM
hm... its a litter nicer than I was expecting. The size still seems kind of awkward though IMO. Let's just hope it stays true to the concept.

mzoltarp
11-29-2006, 06:07 AM
The nose is especially nice looking. The price climbing into the mid 30's is not so nice.

sf2001gti
11-29-2006, 08:57 PM
I have to say that I'm pleasantly surprised. I think that the concept looks great and I'm very excited about the 50 state legal diesel engine. I think that with the proper marketing this has the potential of being a winner. It will be intresting to see how this compares to the Mercedes MLK when it comes out.

erzhik
11-30-2006, 07:42 PM
i wonder if they will be brave enough to use LED headlights...

boston
11-30-2006, 08:58 PM
Dunno about that but brave enough to make it one of their US vehicles with a Diesel when it gets here...

jkkc
11-30-2006, 09:33 PM
Turned out much better than I thought--hopefully the production version stays true to the photos.<p>Proportions are a bit strange, but seem very close to the Acura RDX - which I think they'd be competing against....