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CARSRTHEWORLD
01-29-2005, 04:22 AM
Article from AutoCar:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ford has scrapped its styling work on the 2006 Mondeo, as a prelude to a more radical approach to design. The Mk3 Mondeo, on sale in late 2006, is understood to now have a sportier profile than todays model with many more styling lines on the body and more distinctive lights.<p>The new Mondeo is very radical, said an insider who has seen the car. Itll knock your socks off and you wont have seen anything like it from Ford before. This is something very different. Theres a lot more going on in the styling.<p>The new corporate face has been inspired by the three-bar grille and square lamps on Fords new US models, but it will be executed very differently on European cars. The new Mondeo has been created in the past five months under the control of styling director Martin Smith. It is his first major new car since moving to Ford from GM.<p>Ford Europe boss Lewis Booth is said to be a strong backer of the new styling direction. He has demanded more excitement in Fords European offerings.<p>The Mondeo will need to be visually inspiring to battle the next Vauxhall Vectra, whose styling will be influenced by the rakish American-market Saturn Aura. Fords current styling direction aped VWs upmarket looks, and its recent US models  criticised in the American press  used the same theme. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Source: AutoCar

mzoltarp
01-29-2005, 07:19 AM
Any rumors of the Mondeo sprouting a new Forduar to replace the X type Jag?

Hornbag
01-29-2005, 08:10 PM
OMG, i cant cait. Thank god they are using the elements of the Ford 3 bar grille and headlights. I want some pictures...OMG, i already want this car!

HondaTech
01-30-2005, 01:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any rumors of the Mondeo sprouting a new Forduar to replace the X type Jag?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, yes. The next Mondeo is said to use a stretched version of the new Focus platform, which will also be used for the next Volvo S60 and Jag X-type. The top versions of the Mondeo would have Volvo 5 cyl turbo engines.<p>

pcread
01-30-2005, 04:56 AM
Nah, if there's going to be a successor to the X-Type, it will be on a shortened version of the current XJ chassis.<p>Keep it inhouse, reduce cost, avoid contamination.<p>Interesting to hear the Mondeo is going to be more radical, seeing as the Focus went all bland. Mind you, look where they both started out. Maybe they'll meet in the middle.

HondaTech
01-30-2005, 05:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nah, if there's going to be a successor to the X-Type, it will be on a shortened version of the current XJ chassis.<p>Keep it inhouse, reduce cost, avoid contamination.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Do you know what "rumor" means? It is just the stuff we heard and we're not saying it will definitely be that way. <p>Also, do you have your back up on the fact the the X-type will be based on the XJ? As far as I know, it's the next S-type that will be based on the XJ. To shorten it further to make the X-type is like saying a BMW 3 series will use a shortened 7 series chassis, doesn't make sense at all.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mind you, look where they both started out. Maybe they'll meet in the middle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have no idea what you're saying here.<p><i>Modified by HondaTech at 4:16 AM 1/30/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by HondaTech at 4:18 AM 1/30/2005</i>

pcread
01-30-2005, 05:45 AM
Jeeez. <p>OK. What have we learned about Jaguar sharing floorpans with Fords and Lincolns, however different these components may be in situ? Pedants call out "rebadge!" and sales suffer.<p>Yes, the S-Type will no doubt be on a shortened XJ chassis. And the XK replacement. And the wheelbase of the XK is? What, about eight and a half feet, nine? Same size as an X-Type, give or take an inch or so.<br>According to the German magazine autobild, not me.<p>And as to the other matter. The Mondeo was always seen as rather bland, stylingwise. The first Focus was quite adventurous in the looks department. Now the Focus has become blander and the Mondeo is (according to this article, more radical.<p>I'm just saying, and if it's too hard to grasp, then sorry, that a toned down Focus might be as interesting as a souped up Mondeo.

HondaTech
01-30-2005, 06:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jeeez. <p>OK. What have we learned about Jaguar sharing floorpans with Fords and Lincolns, however different these components may be in situ? Pedants call out "rebadge!" and sales suffer.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I may not be the most calm member on this site(I don't see why I have to be), but I'm calm enough to watch my lauguage. Again, what we're talking about here is a rumor. No one says it can only be that way or whether it's a good or bad idea to share platform between differenent Ford brands, pros and cons is off topic.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I'm just saying, and if it's too hard to grasp, then sorry, that a toned down Focus might be as interesting as a souped up Mondeo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for clearing that up.

AM2K
01-30-2005, 07:22 AM
A lot of talk has gone on about the failure of Jag and Ford sharing platforms.. but regardless of how good the platform may be, it will never help jag reach credibility..<p>Thats been admitted by Jaguar bosses numerous times, hence the reason the next X-Type (if they decide to keep that style of model) will be RWD and spawn many variants (possibly even F-Type).. the two platforms i've heard are either EUCD (PAG specific platform) or shortened XJ platform (RD-6 concept shows that this is possible)...<p>But back to the mondeo though, i cant wait to see this new design look. The Mondeo certainly is a nice enough car, and with bold looks it will be top of the sector yet again!

JBlair
01-30-2005, 09:42 AM
There were some good chops out by Huckfeldt a while ago, but they seem to have not made it over to MK. III.

Laguna
01-30-2005, 09:53 AM
Can anyone find any pics (pictures) of the 2007 Mondeo?

JBlair
01-30-2005, 11:58 AM
<br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54190.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54191.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54194.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54192.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.uploadit.org/dodgyadam/mondeo.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.uploadit.org/dodgyadam/mondeo.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://www.uploadit.org/dodgyadam/mondeobk.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.uploadit.org/dodgyadam/mondeobk.jpg</A>

Laguna
01-30-2005, 12:03 PM
Thanks JBlair. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

CARSRTHEWORLD
01-30-2005, 12:21 PM
personaly i like those chops, but everything seems to be saying that they will share styling ques (hope thats how you spell it) with the Ford Fusion? I think somone should do a revised chop with the new stuff from the fusion<br>Benji

JBlair
01-30-2005, 12:34 PM
According to the new information, these chops are quite accurate, though the real thing should be a little more agressive than this.

HondaTech
01-30-2005, 04:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the two platforms i've heard are either EUCD (PAG specific platform) or ...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, that's the one I was talking about. Here is the link to the old spyshots site that talked about this<p><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=rumor&action=display&num=1099321614" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....21614</A><p> Last Edit: Nov 1st, 2004, 10:09am by bolita <p>"GERMANY: Ford plans industry-leading platform consolidation <br>01 Nov 2004 <br>Source: just-auto.com editorial team<p><br>Ford of Europe will consolidate passenger car production from four platforms to two to reduce manufacturing costs.<p>According to Automotive News Europe, the next generation of upper-medium vehicles - including the Mondeo, Galaxy minivan and a crossover vehicle to compete with the Toyota RAV4 - will be built on a longer-wheelbase version of Ford's C1 lower-medium platform. The extended platform is code-named EUCD.<p>The basic C1 platform introduced in 2003 already is the basis for the new lower-medium Ford Focus, Focus C-Max, Mazda3, Mazda5 and Volvo S40 and V50.<p>All small cars, from the Ford Fusion and Fiesta down to the Ka and possibly even lower, will be developed on Ford's B platform, known as B2E. Mazda is leading the work on that programme.<p>Ford hopes to reduce manufacturing and development costs on its European line-up by simplifying the basic underpinnings of its cars and making them more flexible to support more niche vehicles. Ford officials refer not to platforms but architectures, which at Ford consist of a "store" of components and systems the brands can choose from.<p>The EUCD plan has ramifications for Ford's other brands, including Jaguar, whose X-type shares many of its components with the current Ford Mondeo.<p>Sources say the next generation X-type could be built on the extended C1 platform.<p>"There are not many platforms that are that flexible," said Nigel Griffiths, analyst for Global Insight in London. "If they crack it, it will become a sort of benchmark for other manufacturers to follow, I suspect."<p>Griffiths estimated Ford could save "hundreds of millions" by not having a separate upper-medium platform.<p>Currently, PSA is Europe's leanest car maker in terms of platforms. The French group has nearly completed its consolidation of Citroen and Peugeot brand car lines on only three platforms.<p>Ford's current plan includes a new Ford-brand crossover vehicle - probably a Toyota RAV4 competitor with five doors and all-wheel-drive - that will be made on the extended Focus platform and built in Genk, Belgium, alongside the Galaxy and Mondeo. Also being considered are more offerings in the sub-Fiesta minicar segment where Ford now only offers the three-door Ka.<p>On the larger platform, the Galaxy will be the first vehicle. The second Ford product off the larger platform will be the crossover in the second half of 2006, followed by the Mondeo replacement in early 2007."

AM2K
01-30-2005, 04:42 PM
Yeh thats the info about EUCD.... i think the PAG based platform was only meant to have 30% similarity in terms of components to C1, making it a more unique platform for PAG only.<p>At while back, the EUCD was earmarked to be developed for both Freelander L359 and next gen X-Type ( because both are being built at Halewood 2006 onwards). <p>But im not 100% sure that Freelander actually went to EUCD.. Its meant to use a 'modified ford focus platform' which will also be used on the Volvo XC50. This has a Haldex developed 4WD system. That sounds like EUCD, but by all rights it might not be..<p>Rumors also spread of spawning the X-Type platform as a unique jag platform, so that jag variants (estate and crossover, F-Type,) can extend from that. Jag is under a totally different management now, which is why i'm not entirely sure of its future. They are VERY paranoid about stuff going against the next car.. up to the point of considering an RD-6 style car instead of X-Type saloon..<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 11:51 PM 1/30/2005</i>

pcread
01-30-2005, 04:47 PM
autobild nr 50 - 10 December 2004:<p><I>Noch nicht endgltig geklrt ist die Zukunft des X-Type, der sich Ende 2006 einem umfassenden Facelift unterziehen mu. Wenn das Geld reicht und die Verkufe bis dahin nicht vllig wegbrechen, dann soll es 2009 einen Nachfolger geben (X450). Auch dieses Auto dockt an der Alu-Matrix an, die zuvor schon dem XJ, dem XK und dem S-Type gute Dienste geleistet hat. Geht nicht gibt's nicht: Der Radstand von X-Type und XK ist mit rund 2600 mm nahezu identisch. Wenn die Controller kein Veto einlegen, dann drfte der neue X-Type in folgenden Varianten vom Band rollen:  als Coup  als Shooting Brake (Sportkombi)  als Roadster. <br>....<br>Trotz der greren Variantenvielfalt sehen die Kostenrechner gegenber dem aktuellen Multi-Plattform-Mix ein Einsparpotential in Hhe von rund 25 Prozent  und das, obwohl das Stckzahlgerst von den frher geplanten 200.000 Autos auf etwa 130.000 Wagen pro Jahr geschrumpft ist. Weil alle Fahrzeuge vom gleichen Band laufen knnen, scheint auch das Problem der berkapazitten lsbar. Ebenfalls vom Tisch ist die bedenkliche Nhe zu Groserienmodellen wie Mondeo und Lincoln LS. Keine Frage: In der neuen Alu- und Allrad-Matrix liegt der Schlssel zum Erfolg. Und schwarze Zahlen fr Jaguar scheinen wieder mglich. <br></I><p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/reportagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=7696&artikel_seite=3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/aktuell...ite=3</A><p><br>In short: X-type on shortened XJ chassis. Potential cost savings of 25%. Questionable platform sharing with mass produced models like the Mondeo and Lincoln LS are not going to happen. The new aluminium/AWD matrix is the key to success.<p>That Huckfeldt of the new Mondeo looks sweet though, specially the top two pics.

JBlair
01-30-2005, 04:49 PM
Why are we talking about the X-type in this thread? This is about the next-generation Mondeo, not about the littlest Jag.

pcread
01-30-2005, 04:51 PM
platform issues.<p>We used to have more Jaguar threads in the old CSS. Now we're just platform-sharing.

AM2K
01-30-2005, 04:53 PM
JBlair, im sure that threads can sometimes go a 'little' off topic. It helps keep momentum in the convo.. we here to talk and encourage discussion!<p>And if you look back, you'll see it originated from the question of commonality between the Mondeo and Jaguar, which is a valid topic..

JBlair
01-30-2005, 04:54 PM
How about starting a thread in the Opinion section and arguing there so that we don't sully this thread like we did with the Aura one.

AM2K
01-30-2005, 05:00 PM
Jblair, How about relaxing and enjoying the convo? As far as i was concerned it was valid, and interesting (hence the reason i also participated). <p>If it does get off-topic, im sure a mod or myself will deal with it, not the other way around..<p>Moving on though...funnily enough, i was just looking at the Ford Fusion pics from a while back in Auto Express and it certainly would be a nice to see the 3-bar integration into the Mondeo.. it surprises me though why like the Focus, they dont do a global car (mondeo and fusion as 1 vehicle)..

hakkinen
01-30-2005, 05:01 PM
Those photochops by Huckfeldt are very nice. They are obviously based on the Prodigy concept. In my oppinion this is how the current Mondeo should have been, thinking how old that concept is. Actually i remember when i saw Prodigy i was SURE it was going to be the next Mondeo. I guess they were one generation late. I wouldn't call it radical but i like it.<p>@ndreas

JBlair
01-30-2005, 05:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Moving on though...funnily enough, i was just looking at the Ford Fusion pics from a while back in Auto Express and it certainly would be a nice to see the 3-bar integration into the Mondeo.. it surprises me though why like the Focus, they dont do a global car (mondeo and fusion as 1 vehicle)..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Same here. It would be nice to have a car that you know is almost the same as one that someone in Europe (where the customers do care about quality, efficiency and design), is driving. <p>And I am not entirely sure if Huckfeldt used the Prodigy as the basis for the chops, but he definitely aped some design cues. (It actually looks like the chops used an audi as a base car and then added all of the Ford elements in)

AM2K
01-30-2005, 05:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And I am not entirely sure if Huckfeldt used the Prodigy as the basis for the chops, but he definitely aped some design cues. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Excuse my lack of knowledge here, but whats the Prodigy?

JBlair
01-30-2005, 05:52 PM
Back when the US government was trying to get automakers to develop a vehicle that did 70 mpg, Ford developed a concept car called the Prodigy that looks a lot like these chops, as well as looking a bit like the new 500.<br><A HREF="http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=111" TARGET="_blank">http://www.evworld.com/view.cf...d=111</A><br><A HREF="http://www.conceptcar.co.uk/concept-cars/concept-car-60.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.conceptcar.co.uk/co...0.php</A>

AM2K
01-30-2005, 06:00 PM
Cheers for the info JBlair!<p>That prodigy has a stunning similarity to both the Fusion and the Mondeo Chop.. the front lights, grill, rear lights, even the rear pillar have been used!<p>makes you wonder where some of the money for R&D went if they already had a design like this ready!

DoMiNo
01-30-2005, 09:44 PM
WOW those are some blatantly Audi-inspired chops, but IMO they are gorgeous ideas.... I'll be more than pleased if the Mondeo turns out that nice. Not that I'll ever get the chance to own one here :(

Hornbag
01-31-2005, 04:00 AM
DANM, i was to slow! I was going to say danm those pictures look like the Prodigy, god im a bit slow these days!<p>But, they do look OK, i supose...

JBlair
01-31-2005, 09:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WOW those are some blatantly Audi-inspired chops, but IMO they are gorgeous ideas.... I'll be more than pleased if the Mondeo turns out that nice. Not that I'll ever get the chance to own one here :(</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorta Audi Inspired....especially considering when the Prodigy concept debuted. But yeah, looks a lot like Audi's current range.

DoMiNo
01-31-2005, 03:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sorta Audi Inspired....especially considering when the Prodigy concept debuted. But yeah, looks a lot like Audi's current range. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not that it's a bad thing. I see what you mean about the Prodigy, too... that was quite some time ago, too, wasn't it? SO perhaps it was Audi that mimicked Ford? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

hakkinen
01-31-2005, 06:38 PM
Well, I think Prodigy appeard in 2000 while Audi started using this scheme at least 4 years before that, so...<p>@ndreas

JBlair
01-31-2005, 08:42 PM
Does anybody know how long J. Mays has been at Ford?

sunny7
02-01-2005, 02:55 AM
i think he joined ford in 98-99.

Santeno
04-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Here are some pics and some renderings scanned from autoweek, as well as a scan from last month's Autoexpress, seen at the Autoscoops forum:<p><br><IMG SRC="http://homepage.uvt.nl/~s924354/AutoScoops/Scoops/Ford%20Mondeo%20003%20(Small).jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://homepage.uvt.nl/~s924354/AutoScoops/Scoops/Ford%20Mondeo%20004%20(Small).jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://homepage.uvt.nl/~s924354/AutoScoops/Scoops/Ford%20Mondeo%20001%20(Small).jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://homepage.uvt.nl/~s924354/AutoScoops/Scoops/Ford%20Mondeo%20002%20(Small).jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://lac.pl/~kuules/nowosci/mondeo.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_37/car_portal_pic_18877.jpg" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
04-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Apparently it's supposed to begin the new styling direction for ford of europe. We'll see.

skoochythatone
04-07-2005, 03:09 PM
Wow..Ford really tries a lot to disguise their cars..looks ok from those last renderings if you ask me. Is the Mondeo really such a big seller in the UK? I dont see too many around Germany, but it might be that my region is also not really Ford dreamland..

RGAddison
04-07-2005, 04:14 PM
my thoughts are,throw this look on a 500 and ford will be overwhelmed with sales, It looks good as foreign eqivelent(the auto bild chops)<br>

JBlair
04-07-2005, 05:32 PM
For some reason, I don't think the Mondeo is going to be as chunky and rounded as those pics make it look.

bolita
04-08-2005, 08:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RGAddison</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my thoughts are,throw this look on a 500 and ford will be overwhelmed with sales, It looks good as foreign eqivelent(the auto bild chops)<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I completely agree with you!!!

Hornbag
04-08-2005, 11:35 PM
OMG, if i died at this moment i would be happy, cos those pictures looks amazing! I hope it looks like the silver one, but it needs sharper tail lights i think...<p>OMG, its so good!!!

Charger
09-07-2005, 12:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Couldn't find an older thread for the Ford Mondeo so i made one now. The current issue of AutoExpress claims to have info and even "exclusive" pics of the 2007 Ford Mondeo. I dont have the magazine yet, nor can i scan any pictures from my PC but here is the link to the web site with the related article. As i said many times before, most "world exclusives" from AutoExpress are just the usuall speculative bs a tabloid prints to make money. They reffer heavily to the Iosis concept which we all know that will heavily influence the Mondeo and apparently the have what they call "scoop" photos of the Mondeo..just your basic CG's though..this is probably the 10th variation of the Mondeo they have published in less than 2 years, all of them looking completely different!Here is the link anyway:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/59862/new_mondeo_wings_in.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A><p>ps:if anybody can post the pics in this thread so we can have a guide-pic i would appreciate it cause i havent managed to see them myself because of PC problems <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>

Omar
09-07-2005, 12:24 PM
these are the CGI's you were talking about:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_42/car_portal_pic_21442.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_42/car_portal_pic_21449.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...9.jpg</A><p>Autoexpress have just added some rear doors, altered the rear lights, and added a different number plate.

Hornbag
09-08-2005, 03:31 AM
We all know Ford will tone it down a fair bit, but i supose the basic shape could be there...

CosworthKid
09-08-2005, 12:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We all know Ford will tone it down a fair bit, but i supose the basic shape could be there...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Highly doubt it mate, this car would make a Merc or an X-type Jag look overpriced(well..a Merc anyway)...there is no way in hell the new Mondeo will look like this. This is just the Iosis with more straightforward doors and that's it really. I should have known AutoExpress were clue less once again. Such a pity...i mean, remember a couple of months back when the same mag published "photos" of the next Mondeo?Those were heavily based on the SAV and said the new Mondeo would look like that. Now the Iosis comes out, Ford confirms that the Mondeo would use a lot of these design elements and...here we go again, AutoExpress has scoops once again of the Mondeo..tsk tsk...so dissapointed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Omar
09-08-2005, 02:36 PM
In future, don't take them so seriously. <p>They're always claiming to have a scoop every week the new magazine is released, which is borders on impossible<p>The best bit about AutoExpress and Autocar is I can go to the supermarket and pick them up and check whether there's anything decent inside without paying anything because they're not in polyester bags (unlike other cars mags in UK)<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> 95% of the time it's crap

CosworthKid
09-09-2005, 04:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>omar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In future, don't take them so seriously. <br> 95% of the time it's crap</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes i know, never do actually. Pity though cause they got some great CG artists working for them, wish i had such computer skills <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

salebg
10-18-2005, 09:45 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autozeitung.de/pages/auto-news/media/2/20051018-ford_mondeo.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozeitung.de/page...o.jpg</A>

bolita
10-18-2005, 11:51 AM
What a cool chop based on the Iosis. If the Mondeo looks like that CGI, Ford will have a huge hit IMO.. Why the difference in styling with NA products...I'll never understand. Even though the Fusion is nice, this styling would be great hit in the NAFTA markets as well.

CosworthKid
10-18-2005, 04:37 PM
That Iosis chop doesnt even have a visible boot. It looks gorgeous but we have to be realistic, the Mondeo is a family saloon and Ford Europe's biggest one on offer for a long time. So it has to stay practical. Im sure it will still look fantastic though, cause after all the expectations ppl have it would be a disaster to repeat another Focus MK2. Not that the MK2 is not a fantastic car, but its hardly revolutionary compared to MK1. People just expect A LOT from the next Mondeo

Hornbag
10-19-2005, 12:56 AM
Its a nice shop nonetheless

RoadsterLover
10-19-2005, 04:02 AM
but, I wish that Ford could come out with the new Iosis as the new Mondeo. I read that the C.E.O. of ford europe said that "a good design shape is the new direction of all new ford model", let's wait for it, I hope that the new Mondeo will be absed on the Iosis....see you all!

thedesigner
10-20-2005, 01:18 PM
It's good to see a Jaguar-esque rear end on a Ford instead of a Ford-esque rear end on a Jag. If Nissans look like Infinitis and Hondas look like Acuras and Toyotas & Lexus look like a joke, why can't a Ford have some Jag in it? It's an exciting design for sure but where would it fit in America? Ford America's design language absolutely, hands-down sucks. This car would be deemed an ugly duckling by the aesthetically-impaired American buyer. Europe once again gets the gorgeous designs. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by thedesigner at 1:24 PM 10/20/2005</i>

Arturo
10-20-2005, 03:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>thedesigner</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's good to see a Jaguar-esque rear end on a Ford instead of a Ford-esque rear end on a Jag. If Nissans look like Infinitis and Hondas look like Acuras and Toyotas & Lexus look like a joke, why can't a Ford have some Jag in it? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You must be a joker! Ask a Japanese and he'll tell you that Infinitis are rebadged Nissans, Acuras are rebadged Hondas and Lexi are rebadged Toyotas, so surely Nissans will look like a Infiniti, Honda like a Acura and Toyota like a Lexus, etc, etc, ...<p>I agree tho on your remarks with respect to Ford US designs. The Five Hundred looks like a Russian interpretation of a modern-day GAZ Wolga! The new Mondeo would sizewise nicely fit in between the Focus and the Five Hundred, but geez fellas you got the bland Fusion instead ...

salebg
11-18-2005, 12:28 PM
<A HREF="http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/341/mondeo3copiar8qa.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img379.imageshack.us/im...a.jpg</A>

FordRules
11-18-2005, 12:40 PM
Iosis chop????<br>But if its the real thing!<br>

CosworthKid
11-18-2005, 01:49 PM
If it is then i love it. Still dont see how that merc-style grill will fit in with the new Ford face as shown on Galaxy but still, looks top notch

BrewMsu
11-21-2005, 09:37 AM
this may be a stupid question, but how come there is no mondeo in the US and when will we see styling like this in America?

Nath
11-21-2005, 09:44 AM
probably because the last Mondeo in the US wasn't a great success (the Contour)

StevenZoz
11-21-2005, 09:46 AM
yea i saw that somewhere the other day ... didn't feel like posting it though =X. awesome design. if they brought that to the US as the focus we'd have a hit... and even if they added cladding to make it cheaper in $$, it'd still look hot.

AM2
11-21-2005, 09:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BrewMsu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this may be a stupid question, but how come there is no mondeo in the US and when will we see styling like this in America?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It was like an in-between model by North American standards... compact or mid-size?<br>I think it was too small to compete with popular mid-size sedans like the Camry or Accord... and too expensive to compete with the slightly smaller Corollas and Civics...<br>

Ascariss
11-21-2005, 11:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nath</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">probably because the last Mondeo in the US wasn't a great success (the Contour)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How much was shared between the 2 cars? the interior was slightly different for the console area and the contours rear was a disaster if you ask me, but was the contour a complete clone from the mondeo? ie platform, suspension etc, minus the engines of course.

Nath
11-21-2005, 11:15 AM
thought they we're pretty much the same car.... with differences of course but nothing too major

AM2
11-21-2005, 11:34 AM
Here are 1998/99 models of the Mondeo and Contour....<p>Mondeo sedan<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/1277/1320/norm_1_Eu.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/1277/1320/norm_20_ST24_Australia.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>USDM Contour<br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/3934/4464/norm_14_Ford_Contour_SE_1999_USA.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/3934/4464/norm_21_Ford_Contour_SE_1999_USA.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

CosworthKid
11-21-2005, 11:40 AM
So basically the Contour got the Probe lights. I dont get it,why spoil such a good design just to make it seem a bit different or more American?Would that really help the car become a bigger seller? Look at the US Focus, the 2005 model for example. Was there a reason to spoil the prefectly good looking european model just to make it seem a bit different?? Even the first US Focus looked bad compared to the european one if u ask me, with those big yellow indicators stuck in the front grill.

Nath
11-21-2005, 11:43 AM
think one of the main problems in the US was the lack of rear legroom, especially in the earlier models

Tidal
11-21-2005, 11:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>How much was shared between the 2 cars? the interior was slightly different for the console area and the contours rear was a disaster if you ask me, but was the contour a complete clone from the mondeo? ie platform, suspension etc, minus the engines of course.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not really, and that was one of it's main problems. If i remember it right, the Mondeo was supposed to be a global car, but by the time they finished adapting it to the US market they had modified it so much and spent so much money that the car was no longer profitable. I think that the first models, before the re styling, only shared the doors and the roof, everything else having been tweaked, if not re engineered.

CosworthKid
11-21-2005, 11:54 AM
You think so? Dunno man, the Mondeo was always a great family car. The Mk1 was great for its time and much better compared to its direct rival, the Opel/Vauxhall Vectra. This car failed to be a sales success(and miserably so) in the US and Australia despite the fact that it was built to be a world car. I think the fact that the size of it was hard to place in these markets played a huge role. Plus i think Ford US and Australia were also largely to blame for not properly marketing this car. It was a great car, the current Mk2 is even better and hopefuly the Mk3 will be brilliant as well. This segment is struggling in Europe as well, as people are either buying Focus sized cars or up-grading to a BMW 3-series, and lately to MPV's. So Ford has to use every card it has to make the Mondeo both a small hatch beater and a serious 3-series alternative. Not an easy task but i hope they pull through.

Nath
11-21-2005, 11:59 AM
there'll always be a market for it if you need the space, as the 3 series etc are usually no bigger than Focus class cars inside, especially in the back

AM2
11-21-2005, 12:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DeadDave</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I think that the first models, before the re styling, only shared the doors and the roof </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The doors of the Contour have a deep crease on the lower part unlike the Mondeo's doors....<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the fact that the size of it was hard to place in these markets played a huge role.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It was a euro-mid-size sedan and was considered small by American mid-size sedan standards.

AM2
11-21-2005, 12:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nath</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there'll always be a market for it if you need the space, as the 3 series etc are usually no bigger than Focus class cars inside, especially in the back</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Mondeo was ok in europe because it competed with other cars of the same size... Toyota Corona/Avensis, Vauxhall Vectra, Peugeot 406....<br>I guess its a different case in North America (and maybe in Australia...)<br>In North America it and its Mercury twin, the Mystique was marketed as sort of a (compact)mid-size sedan that slotted above the compact Mazda based USDM Ford Escort(Mercury Tracer) and below the larger mid-size Ford Taurus(Mercury Sable).<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2 at 3:14 AM 11/22/2005</i>

CosworthKid
11-21-2005, 01:23 PM
What you all say makes perfect sense. I think the question on every ones lips is why doesnt Ford US make a car which is larger than a Mondeo(like US Fusion) yet base it on the Mondeo like Volco is doing with the new S60 and keep the styling of the european car. I reckon the US Fusion looks great and it is definately a big improvement over older Ford US cars and even the 500, but the Iosis based Mondeo will look(hopefuly) even more striking and sporty. So basically if Ford Motor Company can use bits from PAG and Ford EU to create great looking and handling cars, why not do the same with the American division. Its just funny how the US and EU branches seem to always take completely different directions. Still, like i said, the Fusion and Edge are huge improvements and i hope they prove to be good enough and popular enough to bring some much needed funds into Ford.

Nath
11-21-2005, 01:25 PM
And normally both markets want the cars not available to them

jaypeeN
11-23-2005, 08:32 PM
The Contour was the first of Ford's stupidly planned cars that were going to take them upmarket in the US. The size was an issue (in the rear seating dep) but the main problem was that the car that this replaced, the TEMPO was dirt cheap. The Contour was being sold too close in price to the larger Taurus (which woud go through a huge price increase in 96). In size, it is very similar to that generation of the Accord/Camry.

Pakeha Aotearoa
11-23-2005, 09:38 PM
That Mondeo is so awesome. God, I cannot wait! It looks absolutely amazing...<p>I see quite a bit of Volkswagen design around the front still, but overall, waaaay better, more aggressive than the current car. Interesting that theres no back bumper.

Chicho
11-24-2005, 03:08 AM
I agree with you. It's always the same thing: stupid prices and poor sales together again<br>

AM2K
11-24-2005, 01:06 PM
<B>Ford has finalised the look of the 2007 Mondeo, and insiders confirm it will closely follow that of the superb Iosis gullwing coupe shown at the Frankfurt show. Work is also racing ahead with the new Ka city car. There are around 10 concepts, from a straight re-expression of the original 1996 design to something very wacky. Designers hope Ford bosses will choose something in the middle</B><p>Source: Autocar Magazine

Hornbag
11-25-2005, 05:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>salebg</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/341/mondeo3copiar8qa.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img379.imageshack.us/im...a.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Holy bloody Jesus goddamn far out amazing! That things looks delicious!!! Far canal, that's awesome! Please let it look like that...please <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

RoadsterLover
11-25-2005, 07:12 AM
Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!! I agree with Hornbag....and I wonder that the name will change from Mondeo to Iosis too....it sounds more like a sport car than a "family car", then if the will put the new 2.7 liter BiTurbo diesel engine, the new ford could represent a valid alternative to the germans....and to the italian 159 sportwagon...let's wait for it!!<br>See you all guys!!

bolita
11-25-2005, 07:45 AM
I hope that when it comes, it will be similar to that image...That is so cool! Much better than the Fusion IMO...

salebg
12-17-2005, 07:07 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autokampioen.nl/published/akm/content/afbeeldingen/toekomst/0512fordmo-224000_enlarged.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autokampioen.nl/pub...d.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.autokampioen.nl/published/akm/content/afbeeldingen/toekomst/0512fordmotu-223992_enlarged.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autokampioen.nl/pub...d.jpg</A>

bolita
12-17-2005, 07:14 AM
Is it me, or is this chop looking like an RX8??

wallabyguy
12-17-2005, 09:00 AM
Sorry to be repetitive but, this should be the Ford Fusion in the US. Or even better, the model to kick off the reinvention of the Mercury line (instead of the Mazda based Milan). Ford, get some balls in the US. Lead by design the way you did in the mid 80's to mid 90's.

carjunkie
12-17-2005, 10:06 AM
For some reason it reminds me of a maserati quattroporte.<p><IMG SRC="http://lac.pl/~kuules/nowosci/mondeo.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>An this should have been the next generation Focus.<br>

Hornbag
12-17-2005, 07:44 PM
I can see some links with the BA/BF Falcon in he tail lights of the wagon, which is a good thing. I'm not sure, I don't think Ford will take that big of a jump. It will leave the rest of the lineup looking frumpy and boring, and I really think the window line will be straight, not curved.

CosworthKid
12-18-2005, 09:58 AM
Carjunkie: this is an ancient autoexpress chop of the SAV that was supposed to preview the Mondeo. Im sure u know that but posting the pic without making stating what it is might make new users confused. The Iosis based chops above are pretty much what we all expect from Ford though, and it looks mad! The estate looks like what the X-type estate should be like in the first place(chop probably is based on X-Type anyways!) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Now imagine an ST Mondeo with Iosis bodykit <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

Otxan
02-16-2006, 09:36 AM
This week Auto Express Cover:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_48/car_portal_pic_24011.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source : Auto Express

odic
02-16-2006, 10:11 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/64480/new_mondeo_blasts_off.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A><p>here's a link to the online article <p>they had a test with the Iosis, not the next Mondeo

wallabyguy
02-16-2006, 01:29 PM
I want this car! Give me a v6 5 door and I'll give up my Audi. Are you listening Ford?

odic
02-16-2006, 01:33 PM
well, i don't think ford will sell you an Iosis <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
02-16-2006, 07:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>odic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, i don't think ford will sell you an Iosis <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lol!I saw the magazine last night and when i read New Mondeo driven and saw the pic of the car with number plates i nearly went mad! But then i saw it was AutoExpress and i thought...yeah right! Seriously, they are misleading so many ppl but...in this case well im not sure. The 4 cylinder engine this road-Iosis uses is the one the Mondeo will have and, even though i cant remember what the article said, im guessing its using the new Mondeo underpinnings, which are the same as the S-Max. I also remember them mentioning that this car uses the Focus suspention. <br>So yes, this is definately the Iosis and the Mondeo will not look as dramatic as this. But maybe the car underneath it is pretty much the new Mondeo.<p>ps:i LOVE the Iosis..but for some reason i still dont appreciate the rear lamps so much.

odic
02-17-2006, 01:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 4 cylinder engine this road-Iosis uses is the one the Mondeo will have and, even though i cant remember what the article said, im guessing its using the new Mondeo underpinnings, which are the same as the S-Max. I also remember them mentioning that this car uses the Focus suspention. <br>So yes, this is definately the Iosis and the Mondeo will not look as dramatic as this. But maybe the car underneath it is pretty much the new Mondeo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It certainly is, because the next Mondeo will be built in Genk, same factory of the S-Max and Galaxy. They're using the same chassis and engines.

Fabia SDI Elegance
03-02-2006, 06:51 PM
Something new from Autoi Week:<p><A HREF="http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/8779/dsc012627if.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img316.imageshack.us/im...f.jpg</A><br>

SV
03-02-2006, 07:42 PM
hmm...not sure what to think...of course you can't tell anything from the camo, but looking at it closely and there's something that suggests it will simply be a sedan version of the S-max (IMO). there would be absolutely nothing wrong with that at all, but then there's the wonderful iosis....

Hornbag
03-03-2006, 04:30 AM
Heavily cladded, but I'm losing hope in this car, slowly....I'm predicting a bland, and if not bland, ugly, car

Guybrush Threepwood
03-03-2006, 06:23 AM
oops, the link doesnt work anymore, heres a new one:<p> <A HREF="http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/11/88111/1280_3732643937356561.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://foto.arcor-online.net/p...1.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
03-03-2006, 10:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heavily cladded, but I'm losing hope in this car, slowly....I'm predicting a bland, and if not bland, ugly, car</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is no way this car will turn out to be bland or ugly. The S-Max was spot on, compared to the concept and so was the Galaxy. The Focus CC might not have impressed as much but the other 2 where entirely new models and they looked great. Of course some ppl will be slightly diassapointed if the excpected 100% Iosis but this will in no way turn out to be ugly! Every Mondeo was great, and this will be even better cause it will have Ford's new design language which so far hasnt let us down one bit. Maybe with Coupe-Convertibles or 4x4 variants of cars such as the C-Max, which arent exactly Ford Europe's strongest point or expert one at that..but with these vehicles it cannot go horribly wrong. Plus they have learned from their "mistakes" with the MK2 Focus so it wont happen again.Keep positive!<p>ps: the above statement is mainly wishful thinking, im trying to stay positive and pray <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CosworthKid at 12:53 PM 3/3/2006</i>

boston
03-03-2006, 04:13 PM
Reminded of the Volvo S80 Spy photos......

JBlair
03-03-2006, 05:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>boston</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Reminded of the Volvo S80 Spy photos......</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which, if you'll all kindly remember, looked absolutely nothing like the final vehicle. I'll wait to see more spy pics before I say anything about it.

bolita
03-03-2006, 05:54 PM
I will hold off on my judgement as the camo is heavy and very difficult to guess what it will look like in the end. I am sure that it will be hot!

aphophis
03-04-2006, 03:45 AM
i think that ford europe has another winner. If the dashboard will offer better quality that actual mondeo offerr..<p><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97668" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97668</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97671" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97671</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97673" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97673</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97675" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97675</A><p>More pictures here <A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?showtopic=84526&st=30&gopid=1304231&#" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...231&#</A> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 2:11 PM 3/4/2006</i>

mr_putter
03-04-2006, 06:09 AM
Looks promising.

Mr. Fusion
03-04-2006, 11:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>aphophis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think that ford europe has another winner. If the dashboard will offer better quality that actual mondeo offerr..<p><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97668" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97668</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97671" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97671</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97673" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97673</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=97675" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...97675</A><p>More pictures here <A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?showtopic=84526&st=30&gopid=1304231&#" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...231&#</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Spy pictures are supposed to be posted as links not images. The prices of the 2007 Mondeo could tay the same<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 2:13 PM 3/4/2006</i>

Hornbag
03-04-2006, 07:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Of course some ppl will be slightly diassapointed if the excpected 100% Iosis </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's why if I stay negative, I'm never let down!!! Then I'll love the new Mondeo! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> I have to say though, it those pictures it looks kind of smallish?

Blob
03-06-2006, 10:19 AM
yeah, it doesn't look as huge as the current mondeo

Hornbag
03-07-2006, 04:02 AM
I wouldn't call the current one huge, especially when compared to the typical Aussie sedan, lol! Still, it to me only looks Focus size? Might just be the cladding on it....

CosworthKid
03-07-2006, 03:52 PM
Actually people who have seen this up-close said that this looks much bigger than the current Mondeo or IS much bigger, not sure. I read it in a British magazine, not sure which one though. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
03-08-2006, 04:52 AM
Well there you go. I'm officially blind without my glasses! I'm still not convinced though, it just looks so small....

Blob
03-09-2006, 11:34 AM
just noticed that its got a massive overhang

CosworthKid
03-09-2006, 11:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blob</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just noticed that its got a massive overhang</TD></TR></TABLE><p>True, but we must get used to that mate cause most cars from now on will have big front overhangs. But it will look much better than, let's say, the Peugeot 407 because(assuming it will look similar to Iosis) they styled this to give the impression of a sports car. So, an Aston Martin has a big front overhang but its supposed to cause its a sports car. So if the Mondeo manages to look that sporty then it wont be an issue. Besides, remember the MK3 Capri? Huge overhang but boy was it gorgeous <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Gian86
04-03-2006, 10:23 PM
Here's one spy pic from softpedia forums.<p><IMG SRC="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=104679" BORDER="0"> <p>Looks bit bad but i like this better:<p><IMG SRC="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=108441" BORDER="0"><p>Source: softpedia.com<p>It looks similar to chop pic from autokampioen.nl

Hornbag
04-04-2006, 06:13 AM
That first picture is ugly! Totally lacking in falir, looks almost 90's like. I don't like any of those actually, I prefer the current "bland" Mondeo because IMO at least it looks attractive....<p>I honestly think Ford are going to stuff this up major....Hope I'm wrong

bolita
04-04-2006, 08:55 AM
Even though I highly doubt the final product will look like those chops I would really like that it would as I find it extremely attractive....

nismo
04-04-2006, 10:12 AM
Not bad....<p>Ford should sell this and Euro Focus as Mercurys in NA.

CosworthKid
04-04-2006, 02:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That first picture is ugly! Totally lacking in falir, looks almost 90's like. I don't like any of those actually, I prefer the current "bland" Mondeo because IMO at least it looks attractive....<p>I honestly think Ford are going to stuff this up major....Hope I'm wrong</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Come on guys, those are the usual Iosis bad chops we have been getting for a while now, nothing to judge a car by. And for God's sake Hornbag will u stop with all the negativity about this car?!!I for one trust Ford not to screw it up, not sure how close to that Iosis it will be, but it wont be an ugly car so let's just see how it turns out. Btw the Mondeo should be a 2007 model in Europe not 2006 like the thread says. Fingers crossed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
05-03-2006, 06:03 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25455.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">AutoExpress</A><br> <br>

bolita
05-03-2006, 07:22 AM
The pix is too small, but unless my eyes are failing me it seems nothing like the Iosis, correct? The lines are off IMO...

odic
05-03-2006, 07:36 AM
don't think it will have the iosis front.<p>more likely is the galaxy and s-max front, because it will be made in the same factory on the same chassis with the same engines

piazzesi
05-03-2006, 10:46 AM
<A HREF="http://200.52.79.195/2007mondeo/2007mondeo.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://200.52.79.195/2007mondeo/2007mondeo.htm</A>

DSC-OFF
05-03-2006, 10:49 AM
Found larger photos, just for you<p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25464.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...4.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25465.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25466.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25467.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...7.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/67129/testing_fords_bold_new_mondeo.html" TARGET="_blank">AutoExpress</A><br> <br>

odic
05-03-2006, 11:05 AM
today's mondeo with s-max front and s-max back <br>

DoMiNo
05-03-2006, 12:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DSC-OFF</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Found larger photos, just for you<p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25464.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...4.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25465.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25466.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_50/car_portal_pic_25467.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...7.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/67129/testing_fords_bold_new_mondeo.html" TARGET="_blank">AutoExpress</A><br> <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now there's a way to meet new pedestrian safety regulations! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> A pillow on wheels!

bolita
05-03-2006, 03:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DSC-OFF</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Found larger photos, just for you <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>odic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">today's mondeo with s-max front and s-max back </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So it seems...will have to see some more uncovered shots though...

Hornbag
05-04-2006, 04:02 AM
Pitty that dude is blocking the view fronm the inside. But gee, what a suprise it features Iosis influenced front headlights!<p>I recon those 'pillows' could be hiding a lot of Iosis influence in the body panneling too!

AM2K
05-11-2006, 03:07 PM
New pics of the Saloon and Estate on a German Autobahn:<p><A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/redactioneel/nieuws/archief/scoop_nieuwe_ford_mondeo/index.xml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/redact...x.xml</A><br>

ACURARDX
05-11-2006, 07:58 PM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6060511.003/page/1/country/acf/ford/new-generation-ford-mondeo-spy-photos" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...hotos</A><p>The chop of the next Mondeo looks a lot like the current generation European Ford Focus.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Mack99 at 6:01 AM 5/12/2006</i>

GoLeafsGO
05-11-2006, 08:48 PM
still going to be too small to sell in the US? Contour was the wrong size and son on. but if it's bigger, i wonder if it is big enough to sell in the us market - merge with the next gen USDM fusion. i'm guessing no, judging by the even larger size of vehicles like the new USDM Camry.

CosworthKid
05-11-2006, 09:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mack99</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6060511.003/page/1/country/acf/ford/new-generation-ford-mondeo-spy-photos" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...hotos</A><p>The next Mondeo looks a lot like the current generation European Ford Focus.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is because it is a sh** chop based on the Focus sedan and estate. There is no way it will look like that, it will either have Iosis cues or at least S-Max cues. The Focus Mk2 design phylosophy is dead when it comes to new vehicles from Ford.

ACURARDX
05-12-2006, 06:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That is because it is a sh** chop based on the Focus sedan and estate. There is no way it will look like that, it will either have Iosis cues or at least S-Max cues. The Focus Mk2 design phylosophy is dead when it comes to new vehicles from Ford.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know that I just said the chop looks like the Focus. I also meant the spy pictures look a little like the Focus.

Hornbag
05-12-2006, 08:16 AM
It's a nice chop though, even if as cosworthkid said won't be reality. When is this new Mondeo due to be shown anyway?

ToddHonda
05-12-2006, 08:26 AM
<A HREF="http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scannenmondeo1tt.jpg" TARGET="_blank">[img=http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4649/scannenmondeo1tt.th.jpg]</A><p>this is how it's going to be

mzoltarp
05-12-2006, 03:04 PM
if true, not bad not stunning a little pitchy in spots it's all right it's all right. Wow I sound like Randy Jackson.

CosworthKid
05-13-2006, 09:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ToddHonda</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scannenmondeo1tt.jpg" TARGET="_blank">[img=http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4649/scannenmondeo1tt.th.jpg]</A><p>this is how it's going to be</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How do u know that?Is this sketch based on insider info??<br>Im still hoping Ford won't make the mistake of not including as many Iosis parts as possible. Even serious magazines were confident the Mondeo will look very similar to that concept. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

LSS_C6
05-13-2006, 01:41 PM
Not quite much of a good skech...

ToddHonda
05-14-2006, 03:31 AM
well, if you save the Spyshots, and let Nero Metafile drwa the lines for you, you can see he shape reasonably clear. Then trace the lines and wipe out all the "camouflage-lines". And on top of all, I saw an almost "naked" version of the prototypes, so I'm almost 100% sure about my drawing I posted before.

RoAnSa
05-16-2006, 01:37 AM
Wagon:<br><A HREF="http://leblogautomobile.blogs.com/./photos/uncategorized/fordmondeo_131.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://leblogautomobile.blogs....1.jpg</A><p><br><A HREF="http://leblogautomobile.blogs.com" TARGET="_blank">http://leblogautomobile.blogs.com</A>/

Hornbag
05-16-2006, 04:29 AM
Ford are really great at covering their cars. I wouldn't even suspect that to be a Ford! You can kinda make out the window lines though. The back window looks interesting.

Nurburgring
05-16-2006, 04:41 AM
Maybe someone should change the title 2007 Ford Mondeo not 06.

Hornbag
05-16-2006, 05:07 AM
Well it's planned to be released this year, and shown in the new 007 so technically in the UK it's a 2006 model.

Nurburgring
05-16-2006, 05:34 PM
Its going to be shown in the new 007? Wow, Casino Royale is more of a car debuting film than a spy movie.

Hornbag
05-17-2006, 02:00 AM
Well Ford payed something like 26 million to get a Mondeo in there, so my guess is the brand new one? I don't see any point in showing the old one with a brand new one not far off? But yeah, from what I've herd about 007 it is more like an advertisment driven movie isn't it?

CosworthKid
05-17-2006, 11:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well it's planned to be released this year, and shown in the new 007 so technically in the UK it's a 2006 model.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought the concept would be shown around September and production would start early 2007

Ascariss
05-18-2006, 10:34 AM
<A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/20_446c2ade3f605.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/21_446c2ade4400c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...c.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/40_446c2ade47ead.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...d.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/41_446c2ade4d8cd.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/img/galler...d.jpg</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://news.auto.cz" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz</A>

CosworthKid
05-18-2006, 06:02 PM
Shrink it down and it would look like an ideal facelfit for the Focus...as a Mondeo though i am deeply dissapointed. Im sure it will look great, but not Iosis great

Blob
05-19-2006, 09:12 AM
its being speculated that the new mondeo will not infact be called mondeo.

CosworthKid
05-19-2006, 11:01 AM
Yeah thats true. But to be honest, if they DID make the Iosis into the next Mondeo i would certainly unerstand the name change...but this..well, it could easily be named a Mondeo cause it just aint a radical departure from current model. The Escord-to-Focus name change was perfectly reasonal given that the Focus was light years ahead in design/ride/quality.

mzoltarp
05-19-2006, 03:57 PM
too early to judge styling...let's hope it's a winner

Hornbag
05-20-2006, 11:18 PM
Little elements suck as the headlights and tail lights, and door shape etc are coming through, but toehr than that it's really hard to judge.

David911
05-31-2006, 07:26 AM
Another photoshop from Spanish magazine Motor 16. Image:<br><A HREF="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6271/2276/1600/Mondeo%202007.png" TARGET="_blank">http://photos1.blogger.com/blo...7.png</A><p>More info:<br><A HREF="http://auto-future.blogspot.com/2006/05/ford-mondeo-2007-recent-cgi.html" TARGET="_blank">http://auto-future.blogspot.co....html</A><br>

the1
05-31-2006, 11:04 AM
Those are some really bad cgis. <p>I can't wait to see the new Mondeo. I'm affraid it won't be as cool and provocative as the Iosis, but it can't be too bad either. I'm so curious to see how it will turn out.

CosworthKid
06-09-2006, 07:31 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/heftarchiv/vorschau.php?oid=PIdQFY18YJ18hq8GtL28NuSdmXC34V/cYbv3iRPjXxKCrJjiDf9BhBsCw0yQTH78a3QsNAypxr32u5OEX 4C7FA==" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/heftarc...7FA==</A> <p>AutoBild cover in pdf format, showing small image of next Mondeo.

the1
06-09-2006, 02:44 PM
I can't see the cover.

Guybrush Threepwood
06-09-2006, 03:57 PM
But here you can see the Mondeo thats in the new AUTO BILD:<p> <A HREF="http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/11/88111/1280_3366326533303834.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://foto.arcor-online.net/p...4.jpg</A> <p> <A HREF="http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/11/88111/1280_3366366632353434.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://foto.arcor-online.net/p...4.jpg</A> <p>Source: AUTO BILD

AM2K
06-09-2006, 04:21 PM
This pretty much confirms some of the 'insider' comments i've read on other sites in the past few days... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The front is promising and shows hints of iosis. But the rear is horrible... its just so boring and plain. Martin Smith appears to have made a couple of tweaks, but not enough... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Apparantly the facelift for the Focus is looking quite poor too... insider comments have likened it to the ford scorpio....

CosworthKid
06-09-2006, 04:57 PM
Yeah...back looks horrible, more like a tweaked Renault Lagoona than an original new Mondeo. Front is good, im sure Focus will get similar front as well

Ascariss
06-09-2006, 06:13 PM
Almost like someone beat the concept with a large ugly stick. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

mattiebee99
06-09-2006, 09:42 PM
Why is it so hard for Ford to release a TRULY attractive vehicle. Ford producing a stunning concept vehicle really is just that. A concept.

Hornbag
06-09-2006, 11:44 PM
Maybe some alloy wheels and a fresh colour can fix it up? To be honest I absolutly hate some elements. The headlights are terrible, the tail lights are all wrong, and the door handles look way too low. In silver I think this would look better, but it's still far from beautiful like the current Mondeo.<p>Ascariss is right, this car hit every branch on the way down from the ugly tree <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
06-10-2006, 05:26 AM
In the Ford forums they are saying this is probably a chop since many of the detailing is dodgy and wrong, and also the rear end looks fake. Well i cant be sure untill i see some further proof but seriously the rear of this car is just too out of proportion and too un-Ford like to believe. Ford hasnt made an ugly vehicle in Europe for many many years now..sure some are not exactly "exciting" but not ugly and yet this Mondeo looks BUTT ugly from behind. So it makes u think: is this the car? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
06-10-2006, 07:48 AM
It looks photoshoped. But it won't be much different I guess. Maybe small details can make a difference and the actual car looks better.

CosworthKid
06-10-2006, 08:17 AM
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Show/9396/laguna/gallerlg.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Motor...g.htm</A><p>Looks like an old Laguna from the rear <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
06-10-2006, 08:31 AM
The main spy shots seem to suggest that most of the front and rear grill / light arrangements are correct in this undisguised pic. The front will look nice, and it shows promising hints of iosis. But the rear look just seems to remind me of the mk1 mondeo for some reason... <p>Heck if they kept the current Mondeo rear design, that wouldnt be such a bad thing compared to this.. But alas this is just my opinion for now, and im sure final detailing on the proper undisguised car will help it look a little better... There's still a chance we might see some kinetic design!!!<br>

the1
06-10-2006, 08:56 AM
I think it might have the S-MAX taillights.

CosworthKid
06-10-2006, 12:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it might have the S-MAX taillights.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That would not save this from bland-ness. Im hoping this is choped at the rear.

the1
06-10-2006, 12:13 PM
It is. Look at the pic showing the front of the car. If you look closely at the rear, the tail lights definately have tape on them.

Hornbag
06-11-2006, 04:21 AM
Very good observations the1!!! I didn't notice that little point. But that still doesn't fix that horrible line through the side of the car. It looks so out of place IMO because with the rest of the car so far it still looks relativly tame, then you have this hideous line right through the middle. Though thank god thaose tail lights are fake <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
06-11-2006, 06:29 AM
Maybe the side of the car was taped, too, and it's photoshoped. I guess I'm exagerating a bit, as I still can't believe that they ruined the gorgeous Iosis.

CosworthKid
06-11-2006, 09:34 AM
Well technicaly they didnt ruin the Iosis since that car was not officially intended to be the Mondeo. Im still hoping they will use the Iosis for a Ford coupe, maybe a possible Capri.

Ascariss
06-11-2006, 09:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well technicaly they didnt ruin the Iosis since that car was not officially intended to be the Mondeo. Im still hoping they will use the Iosis for a Ford coupe, maybe a possible Capri.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ding Ding ding, ding, we have a winner. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> Tell us what he's won. <p>The mondeo in truth was never supposed to be the iosis toned down. Reasons being it was too late to change the mondeo to the iosis without delaying it. Only certain aspects of the iosis remain in the front, and parts of the rear. The design on the iosis was exaggerated for better effect so people could see it more. It's a lot more toned down here. the front fender flares were never meant to be on this car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>nothing is wrong with the images, I dont think anything is photoshopped per se, maybe enhanced but the front and rear both match the spy pics to a T.

the1
06-11-2006, 10:36 AM
A new Capri with Iosis looks and 4doors doesn't sound too bad...

CosworthKid
06-11-2006, 11:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A new Capri with Iosis looks and 4doors doesn't sound too bad...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not bad at all <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
06-11-2006, 12:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ding Ding ding, ding, we have a winner. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> Tell us what he's won. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Lol, yeah tell me whats my prize <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>One question though :the air vent behind the front wheels was supposed to feature in most new Ford cars, as it is on the S-Max. This Mondeo doesnt have those either. I know Smith came after the Mondeo design was completed but i find it strange how the S-Max has such "kinetic" elements whereas the Mondeo doesnt have any of them. First time an MPV has sportier design elements than its saloon/hatch counterpart <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Adrokvs
06-12-2006, 07:00 AM
Recreation form Autobild:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoshow.com.tr/dergi/01089/images/anaresim.jpg" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
06-12-2006, 08:02 AM
Thanks for posting this mate,i was trying to find a way to do it myself but im useless at these simple things!<br>This looks really close to those undisguised pics of the Mondeo, and dare to say this looks much much better. Still restrained and conservative but better. I want to see that rear end though, that is the main point of discord.<br>Anyone from Turkey who has this magazine? Any info would be much appreciated. I wonder why AutoBild has not shown these CG's yet<p>ps: front lights look more and more like Mazda6 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CosworthKid at 8:07 AM 6/12/2006</i>

the1
06-12-2006, 03:32 PM
Same pic, but bigger.<p><A HREF="http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7470/1jun12autobild5sd.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img83.imageshack.us/img...d.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
06-12-2006, 05:37 PM
You can see from that (apparently) accurate chop how Ford was indeed going to make this new Mondeo look more VW-ish. Wheelarches (rear) and sides remind me of VW (even though sometimes im wayyy off at these things!). I think the main body has a more assuring Germanic look and feel, and then Smith decided to change it and incorporate some S-Max and Iosis..hence the bad rear and somewhat awkward application of the head lamps.

JBlair
06-12-2006, 05:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can see from that (apparently) accurate chop how Ford was indeed going to make this new Mondeo look more VW-ish. Wheelarches (rear) and sides remind me of VW (even though sometimes im wayyy off at these things!). I think the main body has a more assuring Germanic look and feel, and then Smith decided to change it and incorporate some S-Max and Iosis..hence the bad rear and somewhat awkward application of the head lamps.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not sure that he could have changed that much, since the design would have been frozen by the time he moved over. My guess is that he inherited both the Iosis concept and the new Mondeo design.

CosworthKid
06-12-2006, 06:01 PM
Dunno mate, many articles and insiders either clearly stated or implied that Smith had to make some changes on the Mondeo. And since, as u said, the main design was already frozen, all he could do was make some goofy cosmetic changes at the front and rear only. So yeah, mean design is NOT Smith's fault..just that his apparent attempts to "fix" it doesnt seem to have worked out well. Im really eager to see how this car looked like before Smith worked on it (IF he really did,i cannot know for sure other that what other ppl say)

JBlair
06-12-2006, 06:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dunno mate, many articles and insiders either clearly stated or implied that Smith had to make some changes on the Mondeo. And since, as u said, the main design was already frozen, all he could do was make some goofy cosmetic changes at the front and rear only. So yeah, mean design is NOT Smith's fault..just that his apparent attempts to "fix" it doesnt seem to have worked out well. Im really eager to see how this car looked like before Smith worked on it (IF he really did,i cannot know for sure other that what other ppl say)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>When they freeze the design they can't make changes to parts like the headlamps and taillamps. (those are major changes that would affect the entire front and rear fascia)

CosworthKid
06-12-2006, 06:37 PM
Yeah i get u but if Ford or Smith deemed it necessary to somehow change the final product in order for it to be more in line with Smith's original designs, then maybe they treated this as they would when deciding to make a facelift to the car. So instead of brigning it out in the market looking completely detached from the rest of the line-up and then having to move to a fecelift, maybe they just had these changes done before its release. Many cars get facelifts which dramaticaly change the looks of the car. Original MK1 Mondeo was one of those cars.

Hornbag
06-13-2006, 04:06 AM
Thanks for that CGI, was eagerly awaiting one! It's conservatively ugly IMO. The old one is conservativly beautiful, but this one is neither exciting or beautiful. It just seems to lack that element of beauty the old one has going for it. And yes, I see a lot of VW influence in there too!<p>Really disapointed to be fully honest. Totally gutted.

CosworthKid
06-19-2006, 07:42 AM
Its as good as official : last CG was a Huckfeldt original from AutoBild..check this link, it also has one of the estate<p><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/erlkoenige/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=11580" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/erlkoen...11580</A><p><A HREF="http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2894/24f589518c2bba949ea0f1174b7eb7.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img107.imageshack.us/im...7.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3997/b03330b4810def5f65983b197b7f3d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img479.imageshack.us/im...d.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by CosworthKid at 7:47 AM 6/19/2006</i>

the1
06-19-2006, 02:23 PM
And Huckfeldt is always right.

CosworthKid
06-19-2006, 05:24 PM
Yeah exactly, especially at this late stage.<br>I have to say i like the estate a lot. Sure its not the revolutionary car we hoped for but its still very fine looking. Im wondering if the Focus facelift will get a similar front end as well. All in all a nice looking car, if not groundbreaking or breathtaking

Nurburgring
06-19-2006, 07:04 PM
As more camo comes off, this car is getting more boring. Not as radical as the Iosis Concept. Purely disappointed right now.

JBlair
06-19-2006, 07:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MAZDA5GT</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As more camo comes off, this car is getting more boring. Not as radical as the Iosis Concept. Purely disappointed right now.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Read what was said on the last page; the Iosis was NOT in ANY WAY a preview of the mondeo. It was a BRAND style preview, not a MODEL preview.

Nurburgring
06-19-2006, 07:31 PM
This actually looks similar to the Iosis. Look at the styling cues taken from the Iosis to the Mondeo. I think the Iosis had a big part in designing the Mondeo.

StevenZoz
06-19-2006, 07:44 PM
well, that <I>does</I> make sense. The Iosis Concept definetly was an awesome looking car. And if they use the majority of the styling from it on the mondeo, it'll not only look better, but it will probably sell better.

DoMiNo
06-19-2006, 08:41 PM
Looks fantastic. Makes me all the more depressed to see the route Ford NA is taking. I don't want to see that crummy plastic 3-bar grille on every damn car they make. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, here.

CosworthKid
06-19-2006, 08:58 PM
I can definately see the next Ford Falcon taking cues from this Mondeo though. A Falcon wagon looking similar to this would be awesome

Hornbag
06-22-2006, 04:52 AM
Even in the estate it appears to have a lot of VW in there, I think it's Passat? That and the rear lights are my only major concerns now.

mzoltarp
06-22-2006, 06:45 AM
It's a great shape for a mainstream car. Too bad our Fusion doesnt look this good.

gawid
06-24-2006, 06:12 PM
<A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=467" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=467</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=463" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=463</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ewanskelly.net/picture.php?cat=recent_pics&image_id=464" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ewanskelly.net/pict...d=464</A>

StevenZoz
06-24-2006, 06:41 PM
looks promising <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
06-24-2006, 10:43 PM
Looks like those tail lights are real. Damit

CosworthKid
06-25-2006, 06:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like those tail lights are real. Damit</TD></TR></TABLE><p>These spy shots look like everyother camoed shots we've seen of this car. Dont understand how u can understand more from these than all the others..?<br>Car looks fine, yes its not how we expected it but i think if ppl stopped comparing it with a certain cocept car they would realise that this is a fine looking car. Im also concerned about the rear lights but lets wait and see. All in all not a bad looking car so far.

CosworthKid
06-25-2006, 05:29 PM
<A HREF="http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6715/fordmondeo021rb9hm.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img144.imageshack.us/im...m.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 8:40 PM 6/25/2006</i>

synthesis
06-25-2006, 10:15 PM
those europeans are really getting serious about pedestrian crash safety aren't they... now the whole damn car has to have air bags over it. <p>all joking aside, i've never seen camo like this before but it appears to be very effective at hiding the details

JBlair
06-25-2006, 10:29 PM
IIRC, didn't some of the most recent hyundais have something similar to this camo? (the sonata I think)

CosworthKid
06-26-2006, 07:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>all joking aside, i've never seen camo like this before but it appears to be very effective at hiding the details </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which still makes me think that we may still have some more pleasant surprises after the camo is off <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> The Mercedes CL, for example, did not do anything for me when looking at it from the camoed pics and CG's. But after the official photos where released i was just simply amazed. Im hoping that this Ford has some tricks up its sleeve

the1
06-26-2006, 11:01 AM
Let's hope U are right.

Reppu
06-26-2006, 11:34 PM
Safety regulations and aerodynamics make all cars to have very similar overall proportions. It all depends on 'character lines' nowadays, so i still believe this car might be as good as we all expected after the Iosis was shown.

Ascariss
06-26-2006, 11:46 PM
I don't think it will reflect too heavily on the iosis concept, that was already said it would not happen.

the1
06-27-2006, 04:01 AM
Or maybe it will... as a new Mondeo Coupe, or CLS for normal people.

Reppu
06-27-2006, 06:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think it will reflect too heavily on the iosis concept, that was already said it would not happen.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know it won't, but after the Iosis we all are expecting something really good, right? It still might be something really good, that's all i say.

the1
06-27-2006, 06:41 AM
I think we should see official pics soon, if the new Mondeo will be launched in Paris.

Hornbag
06-29-2006, 05:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>These spy shots look like everyother camoed shots we've seen of this car. Dont understand how u can understand more from these than all the others</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well I had my questions over the last few spy shots to whether the rear lights were photoshopped. But these pictures appear to be untouched, and the tail lights look the same as other pictures. So I presumed the tail lights that appeared 'photoshopped' are pretty much spot on. I'm hoping to hell they aren't, but hey, maybe they aren't that bad. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
06-29-2006, 05:31 AM
I think the tail lights are similar to the ones on the new S-Max.

Hornbag
06-29-2006, 07:46 AM
Yup, that would be a pretty safe assumption the1. But on the S-Max, with it's tail gate, the lights look pretty nice as IMO they don't appear squashed. I just don't think they mate well with a sedan like boot. They look too awkward and misfit from the CGI's and what has been seen from the spy shots. Just my opinion, but it's a mjor concern of mine as you probably can tell by now because it would really ruin the design IMO.

the1
06-29-2006, 07:54 AM
I think we should simply wait to see the first official pics. I have a feeling that we won't be dissapointed at all. It's not long now... if the Mondeo will be launched in Paris we should see them very soon.

Hornbag
06-30-2006, 10:54 PM
When is the Paris show?

the future
07-01-2006, 03:04 AM
Hornbag, which Paris do you mean? :-)

jts
07-01-2006, 03:09 AM
isnt it in september

the1
07-01-2006, 03:23 AM
Yes. In September. The Mondeo will either be shown in Paris or in Geneva, next March.

gawid
08-14-2006, 10:57 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/_internal/cimg!0/4jdx9q3wtrwdsuz3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/_inter...dsuz3</A><p><br><A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/_internal/cimg!0/4jdx9q3wtrwdsv5x" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/_inter...dsv5x</A><p><br><A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/_internal/cimg!0/4jdx9q3wtrwdsuyz" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/_inter...dsuyz</A><p><br><A HREF="http://www.autovisie.nl/_internal/cimg!0/4jdx9q3wtrwdsurx" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autovisie.nl/_inter...dsurx</A><br>

bolita
08-14-2006, 11:35 AM
They better show it ASAP to keep the buzz going with th FOucs in EU.<p><br>About time they do something along those lines in NA....

against the wall
08-14-2006, 11:44 AM
well the latest this will be unveiled is november, when casino royale hits theaters.

CosworthKid
08-14-2006, 02:28 PM
According to Top Gear website (again!) Mondeo will be shown at Paris show next month. Dunno if it will be in concept form or production though. I heard the thing about the 007 but if they show it at Paris it will still make an impact due to film 2 months after. Other hand, Ford hasnt showed a concept of it yet and they did so with S-Max and Focus CC. Who knows <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
08-14-2006, 02:37 PM
ford did show a concept. iosis. it will still make an impact. like the dbs, they unveiled it but it will still make an impact.

CosworthKid
08-14-2006, 03:00 PM
Man how many times do we have to say this : Iosis was NOT a Mondeo concept. No one from Ford claimed it was and its pretty obvious from all the spy shots that Mondeo will NOT look like Iosis. Iosis showcased Ford's new kinetic design language for its future cars, not the Mondeo. And as stated many times before the car design was already frozen for production before new Ford designer came on board and designed the Iosis + S-Max and Galaxy. Sure Mondeo will have some visual similarities such as front lights etc but the Iosis is a different beast

the1
08-14-2006, 03:50 PM
Strange... so, Mondeo's design was frozen before the S-Max was designed? But, the S-Max was launched this year, before the new Mondeo. How is it that S-Max was launched before the Mondeo, but designed after it? I don't get it.

mick78
08-14-2006, 04:18 PM
Actually, the S-Max and the Mondeo were both ready before the new designer arrived. But both were revised by him, the S-max mostly on the frontend (and probably the side air-intakes), but it is said that he also heavily modified the Mondeo, at least as much as it was possible at the state of development.<p>So let's see what is under the camo, i mean you can't tell much now.<p>As for the Iosis: I read in one or two german magazines that Ford could be planning a smaller than CLS 4-door coupe based on the Mondeo, as Vw does with the Passat. Now if that is true, that could well be the Iosis concept. (In addition, some other rumours claim that the Iosis hints next gen. Ford Falcon [Australia]).

the1
08-14-2006, 04:35 PM
If Ford will built the Iosis as a 4door Mondeo coupe I would sell a kidney, if I have to, in order to buy one. It shouldn't cost more than 35000 euros. Built it, Ford! Built it. Considering how well received it was by the public, the Iosis can be a huge hit for Ford.

CosworthKid
08-14-2006, 06:05 PM
Smith designed the S-MAX from scratch as far as i know. The S-MAX came earlier yes, but that doesnt mean much. The Mondeo project started before the S-MAX and so ts design was frozen earlier. Dont ask me why, my guess is that because the Mondeo was more of a volume seller than an MPV and with sporty sedans (which also compete with the likes of 3-series in some markets) they need to work harder and spend more time in its development. Mondeo is a very important car for Ford whereas S-MAX is a newbie and doesnt need so much effort...its not very hard to make a very competent MPV but to make a bread-maker and saloon car such as the Mondeo..well, u get my point. So that is, IMO, the reason why Mondeo started earlier. The fact that Iosis will not be next Mondeo and that its design(Mondeo) was frozen before Smith went to Ford had been discussed and analyzed to death in CSS for a year now

Roadster44
08-14-2006, 09:35 PM
what does IMO stand for?<br>

Ascariss
08-14-2006, 09:42 PM
in my opinion....

Blob
08-15-2006, 01:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for the Iosis: I read in one or two german magazines that Ford could be planning a smaller than CLS 4-door coupe based on the Mondeo, as Vw does with the Passat. Now if that is true, that could well be the Iosis concept. (In addition, some other rumours claim that the Iosis hints next gen. Ford Falcon [Australia]).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>would this mondeo-based car be the new capri

mick78
08-15-2006, 02:36 AM
I don't think they would use the Capri name for a 4 door kind of upmarket coupe. Capri was always a cheap and simple technology coupe, wouldn't fit here.<p>There were rumours of a Focus based Capri coupe (remeber that concept car 2 or 3 years ago, that combi coupe?), but considering the development of the small-coupe-market (Celica&co.) plus that no spyshots etc. appear, i guess it is pretty secure to say it won't come

the1
08-15-2006, 05:16 AM
IMO Smith should have redesigned the Mondeo from scratch, too. But, this was discussed and other discussed by now. We won't change anything.

Hornbag
08-15-2006, 05:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>freeezer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hornbag, which Paris do you mean? :-)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL! I never thought of it like that! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
08-15-2006, 09:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think they would use the Capri name for a 4 door kind of upmarket coupe. Capri was always a cheap and simple technology coupe, wouldn't fit here.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree that Capri shouldnt be used as a 4-door. But just cause a 4-door "coupe" can be made DOESNT mean its going to be upmarket or complicated. They could very easily do an RX-8 type car or even just a car that followes CLS design but be simple and affordable as Ford's are. On a further note, it doesnt really matter how the Capri was made 20+ years ago. Only thing they need to keep from that car is : 2-doors and RWD(if possible). Now if they give it a classier look, make it feel more expensive and offer things previously not offered in a Capri then why not??

mick78
08-16-2006, 02:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree that Capri shouldnt be used as a 4-door. But just cause a 4-door "coupe" can be made DOESNT mean its going to be upmarket or complicated. They could very easily do an RX-8 type car or even just a car that followes CLS design but be simple and affordable as Ford's are. On a further note, it doesnt really matter how the Capri was made 20+ years ago. Only thing they need to keep from that car is : 2-doors and RWD(if possible). Now if they give it a classier look, make it feel more expensive and offer things previously not offered in a Capri then why not??</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, the sources that claim there could be a 4 door coupe also say it would be a "Premium-Mondeo", much like the CLS is also more exclusive and expensive than the E-Class. And as VW is planningto move the Pasasat Coupe a notch above the Passt, why not? FOrd is not a classy brand, but if they want to try?<p>As for a Capri: the original CApri was RWD not because being sporty (remeber, it had a live rear axle and 50 hp in base trim) but because it was based on the ancient Escort. So obviously a new Capri being a Focus Coupe could be FWD with no problems. I guess no one would care, but also no one would buy it - just look at the market for small coupes - is there anytrhing left in Europe but the Tiburon? (Corrado, Calibra, Honda Prelude, Toyota Celica, Nissan 200SX/Sylvia & 100 NX,.... all gone due to lack of sales)<p>So I'd say, if Ford needs a "Hallo-car" for the showrooms in coupe form, a 4 door "kind-of-upmarket" makes much more sense.

CosworthKid
08-16-2006, 05:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>As for a Capri: the original CApri was RWD not because being sporty (remeber, it had a live rear axle and 50 hp in base trim) but because it was based on the ancient Escort. So obviously a new Capri being a Focus Coupe could be FWD with no problems. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Capri has a huge fan base in Britain and in Germany. The purists definately demand a RWD car, otherwise they might as well call it something else. In my post i said RWD "if possible" but i know for sure that many people will be dissapointed if its FWD. Also the Capri must be more than a hairdressers car. Since the Mondeo is rumoured to get around 300bhp in its ST form it is expected that the Capri will get even more than that at some point (if made) cause it will indeed be Ford's halo car and the equivalent of the Mustang. So Mondeo can get 4x4 in its ST cause FWD is impossible to cope with so much power and, unlike Vauxhall, for Ford a balanced drive and great handling/control is just as important as bhp power. Now the Capri could end up using the same 4x4 system for ST models, sure, but a RWD platform( possibly derived from RX-8?) would hit the nail. As a Capri fan, i would be greatly dissapointed if it missed RWD.

IFa
08-17-2006, 12:57 AM
Here in mauritius Ford does not have a good reputation which is why the new focus isnt doing well..people fear it might be unreliable..japanese cars used to dominate the market for rock solid reliability, but now renault - though ugely unreliable - has taken the biggest share of sales..so it seems people are started to be less biased and i guess with the new mondeo, ford might have a chance to set the rumours right over here..

Blob
08-17-2006, 01:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>IFa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here in mauritius Ford does not have a good reputation which is why the new focus isnt doing well..people fear it might be unreliable..japanese cars used to dominate the market for rock solid reliability, but now renault - though ugely unreliable - has taken the biggest share of sales..so it seems people are started to be less biased and i guess with the new mondeo, ford might have a chance to set the rumours right over here..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really, the focus not doing well. Theres millions of them in the UK

the1
08-17-2006, 01:49 AM
The new Capri, if there will ever be one, won't be RWD. Using the 4x4 architecture of the new Mondeo ST sounds more realistic. The Capri or whatever it will be called should be only a coupe version of the Mondeo, based entirely on it. Developing or using a separate platform would be too expensive for Ford.

CosworthKid
08-17-2006, 07:40 AM
Like i always say if Mazda could afford the RX-8 i see no reason why Ford cant. What you say makes sense and its probably what will happen, im not disputing this at all. But i still cant understand why Ford cant do it if Mazda can.<br>As for your Focus comments IFa dont worry about that. In Cyprus Ford had a dreadful reputation yet slowly the Focus has taken a big chunk of sales there and did wonders for the brands rep. Because of it, the Fiesta sales are also increasing

rasmien
08-17-2006, 11:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Capri has a huge fan base in Britain and in Germany. The purists definately demand a RWD car, otherwise they might as well call it something else. In my post i said RWD "if possible" but i know for sure that many people will be dissapointed if its FWD. Also the Capri must be more than a hairdressers car. Since the Mondeo is rumoured to get around 300bhp in its ST form it is expected that the Capri will get even more than that at some point (if made) cause it will indeed be Ford's halo car and the equivalent of the Mustang. So Mondeo can get 4x4 in its ST cause FWD is impossible to cope with so much power and, unlike Vauxhall, for Ford a balanced drive and great handling/control is just as important as bhp power. Now the Capri could end up using the same 4x4 system for ST models, sure, but a RWD platform( possibly derived from RX-8?) would hit the nail. As a Capri fan, i would be greatly dissapointed if it missed RWD.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bring it from Australia... Land of the best RWD Fords and GM's!

CosworthKid
08-17-2006, 11:35 AM
Capri would have to be based on a smaller platform that that of the Falcon. If it was viable maybe Ford could also consider the Mustang as a chassis donor. But it will never happen, Capri will either be Mondeo or Focus based. Now if only Ford would borrow the RX-8's platform? Dunno.<br>But anyway, we should get back on topic, the Mondeo <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

mick78
08-17-2006, 04:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Capri would have to be based on a smaller platform that that of the Falcon. If it was viable maybe Ford could also consider the Mustang as a chassis donor. But it will never happen, Capri will either be Mondeo or Focus based. Now if only Ford would borrow the RX-8's platform? Dunno.<br>But anyway, we should get back on topic, the Mondeo <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the RX-8 could probably be too exppensive for a Capri. If it's going to happen ( a new Capri) i guess it would be Focus based so Ford can produce it on an existing proiduction line. Setting up an own line for a new platform, on which they build just a niche model would be too expensive to keep a Capri competitive. But as i said before, development of the coupe market (which means basically disapearing of that class) really makes me believe there won't be a classic coupe by Ford too soon.<p>I think a Mondeo based 4 door coupe too compete with the confirmed Passat Coupe makes more sense. But even that's not sure.

CosworthKid
08-17-2006, 06:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mick78</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> But as i said before, development of the coupe market (which means basically disapearing of that class) really makes me believe there won't be a classic coupe by Ford too soon.<br> think a Mondeo based 4 door coupe too compete with the confirmed Passat Coupe makes more sense. But even that's not sure. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dissagree on both acounts. The probability of a Capri successor is very high since VW is producing a Scirocco. Trust me, Ford would want a chunk of the action (we cant have VW have a sportier image <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> ).<br>Secondly making a 4-door coupe to compete with equivalent Passat? I sure hope not! VW might be playing their cards as a nearly premium maker with cars such as that, the Phaeton and Touareg but Ford wont cause they are not stupid. Passat, being a VW, has better chances in succeeding(albeit slim) as donor to a 4-door coupe. But Ford? Who will buy that? In that segment brand power is everything and Ford isnt premium, period. Now in the coupe sector we got the Mazda RX-8, Audi TT, BMW Z4 Coupe etc. Soon also the Scirocco. So Ford will stand a much better chance in this sector since 1)it always had a performance image and 2) Capri is one of the most repsected nameplates in Europe. Besides, if not for anything else, it will be a great image boost. Trust me they need it.<p>Anyway back to topic!

the1
08-18-2006, 01:44 AM
A 4door coupe wouldn't be that bad for Ford, especially if it will look like the Iosis.

mick78
08-18-2006, 01:48 AM
Mate, the cars you are talking about are all expensive premium coupes, way above what a ford Capri would (or could) be. Different league already competing with Porsche (Cayman & Boxter)<p>On the other hand the Rx-8 as a 4 door coupe showed that you don't need a premium brand to sell a different car.<p>A Capri would compete with the Scirocco, i agree, but then again VW is entering an abandoned market - as I stated before, no more Celica, Prelude, Calibra, Mazda MX-3 & 6, Ford Probe. <br>Nothing left as people turned towards SUVs and Roadsters, and also the Scirocco has to prove successful first - remember, VW Coupes haven't sold well since the MK. I Scirocco (and even that just in it's first years till the GTI apeared), so i don't think Ford HAS to follow.<p>ANd for the 4-door COupe: If they build the Iosis as a Mondeo Coupe, im 99 % sure that would sell plus give the whole range a nice image push, move it closer to premiums like Audi A4 or Passat.<p>(ANd don't forget that in Germany [& Austria] VW is a fleet brand, just like Ford in the UK - not half as premium as in some other markets)

CosworthKid
08-18-2006, 08:40 AM
Ford does not want to be considered premium just yet, thats my whole arguement. Ppl give VW such a bashing because it pretends to be premium, then think about how reactions to a Ford will be. I gave the example of the RX-8 as a good choice 10 times already. You did not mention that car, u instead said somthing along the lines of CLS and the upcoming Passat 4-door coupe: completely different segments. An RX-8 and an CLS share NOTHING in common apart from the use of four doors. And in the RX-8's case, the doors are mostly a clever gimmick. Ford could still make a Coupe that can compete with Scirocco, yet also add a second row of seats or,ok, if trends demand it a few extra doors. But even if it sports 4 doors it will NOT be a CLS type of car. Now an RX-8 or TT competitor makes perfect sense for me. Forget about the price tags of the cars i mentioned b4 such as BMW's etc, im striclty talking about the type of car. And dont tell me TT's and Z4's dont sell! Im a Ford person and i know what fans of the marque want more than anything else. And that is a Capri style car and not a CLS. And as a further note im glad that Ford is escaping from their "VW wannabe" status they aquired past few years (since Mondeo Mk2). The S-Max and Galaxy proved they are on a path of their own. Sure, a Scirocco competitor could be seen as another such move to get VW market share, but its something that is in Ford's DNA and character. Even if Ford goes ahead with Iosis then i will say "awesome" sure. But not a 4-door/coupe Mondeo.At least not in the same vein as Passat coupe and CLS. At least not just yet. Iosis? Bring it on!(but id preffer Iosis name for a 4-door, not Capri) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

mick78
08-18-2006, 04:43 PM
I metioned the CLS as an example for a 4 door coupe, so NOT to mix it up with the RX-8, which is sthg. between coupe and sports car. A Iosis (or whatever a Mondeo 4 d. coupe would be called) would cleary be a class or 1 1/2 below the CLS, what i meant with "below CLS". ANd VW might wish the PAssat Coupe to compete with the CLS, but that won't happen. I think a Iosis could take on a Passat coupe, even if Ford is less premium.<p>And even if a new Capri would mean classic Ford DNA, the question is if there is a market. Coupes sold today are rather premium (TT, Z4, CLK,...), so i guess if Ford want's a coupe to turn heads, it needs more than just a warmed up Capri.<br> And this is what the Iosis could be, if they dare to build it.

CosworthKid
08-18-2006, 04:55 PM
Not all cars should be about "reasoning". Passion and heart should still count nowadays. A lot of Ford fans would buy a Capri. Especially British.<p>But anyway guys, seriously now, this is a Mondeo topic so plz lets stay to that.

2006G35
08-20-2006, 03:08 PM
A Capri on a 4000-pound platform?<p>Nobody in Europe would want that...!<p>I don't want that, and I owned two original German Capris here in the US. I would like to see a small RWD car in the same mold... but I know I'll never again see that again from Ford.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by 2006G35 at 7:26 PM 8/20/2006</i>

CosworthKid
08-20-2006, 03:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>2006G35</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A Capri on a 4000-pound platform?<p>Nobody in Europe would want that...!<p>I don't want that, and I owned two original German Capris her eint he US. I would like to see a small RWD car int he same mold... but I know I'll never again see that from Ford.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>4000 pound platform? What on Earth are u talking about man?<br>And for the 100th time we should seriously get back on topic!!!!!!

2006G35
08-20-2006, 05:25 PM
Shelby coupe = 3950 pds. 'vert = 4100.<p>Yes, lets get back to the Mondeo.