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ajprice
01-28-2005, 07:20 AM
A clipping from Auto Express, looks like it has a slightly longer nose and ForFour style lights and grille.<br><IMG SRC="http://homepage.mac.com/adrianprice1/sml.jpg" BORDER="0">

carrera4
01-28-2005, 07:46 AM
from <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63316.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63317.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63318.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63319.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63320.jpg" BORDER="0">

Laguna
01-28-2005, 10:22 AM
Its supposed to be a city car right. Why are they making it bigger. Who will it benefit? I wouldn't mind the angry looking lights on my car but on this! Why didn't they put these lights on the forfour?

Ascariss
01-28-2005, 10:28 AM
Huh replacement for the current one? Looks smaller for some reason? It's like a toy lol.

Laguna
01-28-2005, 10:35 AM
LOL. It does not look asif its grown but it has.

Dal
01-28-2005, 10:37 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Larger crumple zone </TD></TR></TABLE><p>^ thats the reason for it being larger, better safety in the event of an accident.

Laguna
01-28-2005, 10:40 AM
Safety?. Never put safety and Smart ForTwo in the same sentence.

Dodger
01-28-2005, 10:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Laguna</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Safety?. Never put safety and Smart ForTwo in the same sentence.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No Kidding!! I think I would feel safer running across an eight lane interstate at rush hour!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

Dal
01-28-2005, 10:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Laguna</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Safety?. Never put safety and Smart ForTwo in the same sentence.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i think you'll find there has been research done on the safety of this car.<p>a car t.v program once showed a smart car hit a concrete barrier at 70mp/h and the driver would have lived if their was a real driver in the car (they used a dummy).

Laguna
01-28-2005, 10:49 AM
Oh yeah they did that on 5th Gear. I remember now.

RikfromBelgium
01-28-2005, 10:53 AM
Actually, what they said was that the car still looked pretty good for it's size after the crash, but that the driver propably would be dead because of the impact anyway.

Laguna
01-28-2005, 10:58 AM
But what is the point of doing a new one when the origanal sold big.

Dal
01-28-2005, 10:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, what they said was that the car still looked pretty good for it's size after the crash, but that the driver propably would be dead because of the impact anyway. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>oOoOoOoOok, sorry for the wrong info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-28-2005, 10:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>oOoOoOoOok, sorry for the wrong info <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I find that a rather important little detail, don't you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Laguna
01-28-2005, 11:00 AM
yeah why not<br>

Omar
01-28-2005, 12:18 PM
@ Laguna: The point of doing another one is to improve it, because it wasn't a brilliant car, and motor journalists said it had a choppy and unsettled ride.<p>By selling an improved car, Smart would hope to increase sales numbers, thus increasing sales revenue. Since the business was formed, Smart has NOT yet made a profit, and they need to, so more sales are the key.<p>More spypics:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/S/smart/formore/03-large/Smart-ForTwo-Coupe-001.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/S/smart/formore/03-large/Smart-ForTwo-Coupe-002.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/S/smart/formore/03-large/Smart-ForTwo-Coupe-003.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>YOU SWEARIN' AT ME?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>source:4car

Laguna
01-28-2005, 12:20 PM
Oh ok thanks Omar.

ajprice
01-28-2005, 12:24 PM
The extra length at the front is probably for better crash safety, maybe for the American crash laws, as Smart is going to be launched in USA soon (its already out in Canada). Crash test safety is actually pretty good for the size of the car, the shell and seats are designed as a kind of built in rollcage. Its a 3 star Euro NCAP test car, not bad for a 5-6 year old design. They must have got all the protection they could get out of the short front and HAD to make it longer to pass any stricter tests or pass American regulations, which are notorious for insisting on cars having big bumpers.

Laguna
01-28-2005, 12:26 PM
or a bigger engine. Or more space inside?

ajprice
01-28-2005, 12:35 PM
<b><i>or a bigger engine</i></b><p>No. Smart cars engines are at the back, between the wheels, under the boot floor.<p>

Laguna
01-28-2005, 12:38 PM
Really?!?!?!. There are two people in the car and the idiots are swearing and its making me very angry.

protocatcher
01-28-2005, 03:03 PM
Hmmmm....the first pics , from Autoexpress...arent Automedias pics <br>How the F--K did they print their name there ????

Ascariss
01-28-2005, 04:48 PM
hahahaha the pics are priceless, proto, did you have the same experience with the smart drivers lol.

Krypton
01-28-2005, 05:59 PM
Yea those pics are priceless <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>i dont remmember where but theres a crash test movie of the smart hitting a s-class at 50 or 70 and just bouncing off with minor dents

Cozz
01-28-2005, 06:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SLR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea those pics are priceless <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>i dont remmember where but theres a crash test movie of the smart hitting a s-class at 50 or 70 and just bouncing off with minor dents</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think I saw that at theauotchannel.com. Were they both orange?

Krypton
01-28-2005, 06:26 PM
dont remmember, i guess that must of been it

Hornbag
01-28-2005, 07:24 PM
I cant wait, i love the Smart. They r so small and cute!!! Such a fashion statement...

Top Secret
01-28-2005, 07:49 PM
Stupid cars - why don't they go back to making watches...at least they were good at that.

Hornbag
01-28-2005, 10:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stupid cars - why don't they go back to making watches...at least they were good at that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Imagine (just try to use that brain of urs, no matter how small it is) that you have to go to work each day, in a crowded city, where most people only take one passenger. U want to make a statement, cos u r hip, and u dont want to drive a stupid Holden SS Commodore (wateva) cos they r a pain is the behind to drive in crampted London and polute at the rate of 100 tons per second (fuel is expensive in the Europe). And that u have money to buy kool things...<p>Just imagin how stupid you would be doing that in a huge SUV or big sedan? Now tell me what is stupid... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>They may not be practical in Australia, but over in Europe, they make sence. And if u still arnt convinced, that is why they made the Forfour!

Cozz
01-28-2005, 10:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stupid cars - why don't they go back to making watches...at least they were good at that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Do you have an issue with reality? Or just ignorance? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
01-28-2005, 11:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(just try to use that brain of urs, no matter how small it is)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh, you're a funny guy Hornbag, and this is coming from a guy who likes Holly Valance.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">. U want to make a statement, cos u r hip, </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd hardly call fortwo's 'hip' - it's like saying hermit crabs are cool because they don't take up much space and they don't do diddly sqaut.<p>I'd much rather have another small 'city' car or even just a scooter if I lived in those conditions (even though I probably won't). I detest these smart cars because first of all, they look horrrible, with their stupid squashed look - a small car does not have to look squashed. And then, they are impractical - they have next to no storage space and yes, while they are economical they aren't too flash in safety.<p>I'd much rather have a small hatchback such as a Mazda2 instead of this car, wherever I lived.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have an issue with reality? Or just ignorance? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't get what you mean - please explain.

CARSRTHEWORLD
01-29-2005, 04:20 AM
Just a picture from AutoCar:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocar.co.uk//Car/Smart/Fortwo/271557135.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: AutoCar

Laguna
01-29-2005, 04:59 AM
What is the point of disguising the rear end of the ForTwo?

PlatForm
01-29-2005, 07:50 AM
this car so small.. how could we fit 'Big Show' or 'Fat Joe' inside???

Laguna
01-29-2005, 07:57 AM
Its disigned for the city. Its called a city car.

Hornbag
01-29-2005, 08:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Oh, you're a funny guy Hornbag, and this is coming from a guy who likes Holly Valance. I'd hardly call fortwo's 'hip' - it's like saying hermit crabs are cool because they don't take up much space and they don't do diddly sqaut. I'd much rather have another small 'city' car or even just a scooter if I lived in those conditions (even though I probably won't). I detest these smart cars because first of all, they look horrrible, with their stupid squashed look - a small car does not have to look squashed. And then, they are impractical - they have next to no storage space and yes, while they are economical they aren't too flash in safety. I'd much rather have a small hatchback such as a Mazda2 instead of this car, wherever I lived.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>OK, where do i start.<p>a) Leave Holly Valance out of this, i dont call u dumb cos of ur taste in music, we are all different you know. (terrible thing jeslousy)<br>b) In Europe Smart cars are percieved as a cool thing to be seen in, yes the world does go beyond Bommodores.<br>c) You can have whatever car you want, but if you actually did live in the city (meaning places like London) it is actually better to have a small car, less taxes, less fuel cost, zippy and easy to park. It all adds up.<br>d) Smarts dont need that much space, as most people only drive to work by them selfes, therefore you can put the suitcase in the front, and all the little stuff at the market in the back.<br>e) And if you do want space, buy another car. Simple.<p>Now this isnt ment to be offensive, i just hate it when people cant open up their minds (as the smart logo goes) and see that these cars do have a place, mabey not in Australia, but they are a start.

Laguna
01-30-2005, 05:17 AM
Right stop the argument. The ForTwo is alright. The ForFour is a hip car. Maybe not to you but to be its hip. Thats so true Hornbag_1. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
01-30-2005, 06:35 AM
<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stupid cars - why don't they go back to making watches...at least they were good at that.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>MB never made watches, neither did SMART <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

Don Carleone
01-30-2005, 07:51 AM
The shot from Autocar isn't jut another picture of it, but the first one!<p>And Autoexpress wrote the wrong credit on it because they always mess up with the credit and that's a well known fact. Plus, Automedia's pictures are very similar to Lehmann's shots - in this case...<p>And then, the car won't be any longer. It'll only get wider.

Laguna
01-30-2005, 08:04 AM
Sma if you look at it closely its slightly longer than the current. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

CarPenter
01-30-2005, 12:10 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.whnet.com/4x4/Smart_crashtest.html" BORDER="0"> i hope this works, im new so sorry if it dont <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>source<br><A HREF="http://www.whnet.com/4x4/crashes.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.whnet.com/4x4/crashes.html</A>

syclone
01-30-2005, 12:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>MB never made watches, neither did SMART <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry Cozz, but SMART stands for SWATCH-Mercedes-Art. And last time I checked, Swatch made watches. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
01-30-2005, 12:23 PM
<A HREF="http://www.off-road.com/mbenz/videos/Sclass_Smart.avi" TARGET="_blank">http://www.off-road.com/mbenz/...t.avi</A><p>Thats the link to the S-Class VS. Smart crash test video.<br>As you will see the S-Class of course "wins" this fight, but notice the damage to the Smart..there hardly isnt any to the really important parts, all the plastic covers in the front break of course but the stiff metal frame remains.

CarPenter
01-30-2005, 12:28 PM
someone once asked to see all the smart line up and i found it , also hope this works lol...<p><IMG SRC="http://img161.exs.cx/img161/5060/smartcars5il.jpg" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-30-2005, 02:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.off-road.com/mbenz/videos/Sclass_Smart.avi" TARGET="_blank">http://www.off-road.com/mbenz/...t.avi</A><p>Thats the link to the S-Class VS. Smart crash test video.<br>As you will see the S-Class of course "wins" this fight, but notice the damage to the Smart..there hardly isnt any to the really important parts, all the plastic covers in the front break of course but the stiff metal frame remains.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>looks can be deceptive

Ascariss
01-30-2005, 02:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>looks can be deceptive </TD></TR></TABLE><p>still, the car survives the accident mostly intact, which can't be said for most cars of its size and larger. It doesn't matter how good the car is at staying together, when your organs, and heart slam into your ribcage at 150km to 0km in less than 3 seconds, there is a small change you will survive, even tho the car is intact.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-30-2005, 02:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>still, the car survives the accident mostly intact, which can't be said for most cars of its size and larger. It doesn't matter how good the car is at staying together, when your organs, and heart slam into your ribcage at 150km to 0km in less than 3 seconds, there is a small change you will survive, even tho the car is intact.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>True, I agree. That cage has a shape that makes it really though at first sight. But that cage is also it's biggest weakness: it has nothing infront to take the beating, to take some of that energy during the crash away from the driver. No safety-zones like a "normal " car has. So this results in a car still looking rather good, but the driver just as dead.

CarPenter
01-30-2005, 02:49 PM
<IMG SRC="http://img194.exs.cx/img194/5650/crashtestsmart9hp.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>looks like the 300 took more damage but prob walked away with a band-aid versus the smart driver going away in a body bag

Cozz
01-30-2005, 09:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Sorry Cozz, but SMART stands for SWATCH-Mercedes-Art. And last time I checked, Swatch made watches. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No sh** sherlock. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> I was the one the noted it out on the brand name meaning thread.<p>SMART never made watches, niether did MB. What part am I wrong on? Swatch does watches but they no longer have any say in SMART for years now. <p>You have been schooled by Cozz, have a nice day. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
01-30-2005, 09:48 PM
You know, maybe just because it was so fresh to begin with... I haven't tired at all of the Smart's design. In a way it kind of saddens me to see it redesigned. Just a hard thing to update, I guess. Perhaps the interior, but the eccentricity of the original will be hard to re-create. We'll see... I'm sure they'll be taking great care in the redesign.... this one won't make it over to the states, will it?

Hornbag
01-31-2005, 04:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CarPenter</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[img]<br>looks like the 300 took more damage but prob walked away with a band-aid versus the smart driver going away in a body bag</TD></TR></TABLE><p>At what speed was this done at? And yes, i do agree...but beauty knows no pain <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0"> (sorry, that just had to be said)

syclone
01-31-2005, 06:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No sh** sherlock. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> I was the one the noted it out on the brand name meaning thread.<p>SMART never made watches, niether did MB. What part am I wrong on? Swatch does watches but they no longer have any say in SMART for years now. <p>You have been schooled by Cozz, have a nice day. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good to see you understand sarcasm. I thought you, of all people here, would get it... been smoking Rik's crack pipe again? <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-31-2005, 06:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Good to see you understand sarcasm. I thought you, of all people here, would get it... been smoking Rik's crack pipe again? <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Excuse me, but I do not have a crack-pipe. That's just Cozz projecting his own obvious drug-problem on to me.

RikfromBelgium
01-31-2005, 06:32 AM
Oh, and Syclone I liked your previous answer more, something about a sheep <br>Nicely put <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Pedigreepaul
01-31-2005, 02:28 PM
Hey, the only ones allowed to smoke and inject are the Dutch.. Everybody knows that.. :D

Cozz
01-31-2005, 08:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>syclone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Good to see you understand sarcasm. I thought you, of all people here, would get it... been smoking Rik's crack pipe again? <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nah, he hides it from me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-31-2005, 09:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nah, he hides it from me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>you 2 must be long lost brothers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
02-01-2005, 12:26 PM
everyone here knows that on weekends, Cozz and Rik go visist paul and trade BMW and MB stories around a bowl of warm hash brownies. That's why we love you guys!

r3vilo
02-01-2005, 02:11 PM
it looks tiny, which is the whole point, but the last one could at least fit a six footer in in

carrera4
02-02-2005, 03:54 AM
front end starts looking like the ForFour's one<br>from <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63511.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63512.jpg" BORDER="0">

Laguna
02-15-2005, 08:36 AM
More new pics. Very cold weather testing<p><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/222222.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/222222.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/333333.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/333333.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/444444.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/444444.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/555555.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/555555.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/666666.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/666666.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/777777.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/777777.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/888888.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/888888.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:52 AM 2/15/2005</i>

skoochythatone
02-15-2005, 09:33 AM
Very nice new interior design I must say. I like the current design aswell, but this one looks better quality wise, the buttons and air vents and all that dont look like cheap plastic anymore.

Hornbag
02-16-2005, 12:14 AM
Much, much better inside, i fully agree skoochythatone. I love how tiny the fron wheel is, its just soooooooo cool!

skoochythatone
04-10-2005, 08:45 AM
Ok...I finally caught something again. This time its the Smart ForTwo prototype near Stuttgart. I was heading back down South from up North where I had spent the weekend when I spotted this single prototype. As soon as I started taking pics, it tried to get away..unsucessfully..hehe. It seemed wider and a little longer than the current ForTwo and was actually going over 160km/h, the current model is limited to 135km/h, so thats either a sign for bigger engines or just the fact that the prototypes are not limited in speed. Here you go, enjoy!<br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/April2005050.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/April2005049.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/April2005048.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/April2005047.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/April2005046.jpg" BORDER="0">

hokman
04-10-2005, 11:35 AM
160 kph in that car is impressive, if a bit dangerous considering the slow steering, leaf spring de dion, and tall/narrow body.

Cozz
04-10-2005, 11:39 AM
You that man skoochy. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Those 3 bolt rims has got to go, it's not even cool.

zwei Biere bitte
04-10-2005, 11:45 AM
Yeah, nice pics as usual skoochy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Really does seem wider than the current one from those photographs. Maybe an engine in excess of 60hp can explain the speed it was going at... Didn't even know cars could be made with only 3 lugnuts <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
04-10-2005, 03:10 PM
Yes, 160km/h seemed really fast to me, too. And not only did it go that fast, it also didnt have trouble speeding away from me several times, but I caught it again everytime. It was actually a lot of fun chasing him, they eventually became frustrated and decided to leave..haha.

PBH
04-10-2005, 04:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>MB never made watches, neither did SMART <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>SMART was set up with MB and swatch originally... so MB mite not have made watches but swatch did.<p>Gotta say people you people are well paranoid about smarts safety... they're safer than a lot of cars on the road simply coz the people in them are held in a strong metal cage, injuries in the NCAP test came from the seatbelts, not from cabin intrusion, because the seatbelts had to slow down the occupants so fast because of the lack of crumple zones, however, if we look at the advances in seatbelt technology on MB cars (such as pre-safe) the new smart shud be a very safe car. <p>btw... Autoexpress did an article about a year and a half ago and found ur much safer in a smart than in a ford ka for example.

Cozz
04-10-2005, 05:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PBH</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <p>SMART was set up with MB and swatch originally... so MB mite not have made watches but swatch did.<p>Gotta say people you people are well paranoid about smarts safety... they're safer than a lot of cars on the road simply coz the people in them are held in a strong metal cage, injuries in the NCAP test came from the seatbelts, not from cabin intrusion, because the seatbelts had to slow down the occupants so fast because of the lack of crumple zones, however, if we look at the advances in seatbelt technology on MB cars (such as pre-safe) the new smart shud be a very safe car. <p>btw... Autoexpress did an article about a year and a half ago and found ur much safer in a smart than in a ford ka for example.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No one here is saying that Swatch never made watches. It's not even an argument here so why bother bringing up something that's months old? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

PBH
04-11-2005, 07:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No one here is saying that Swatch never made watches. It's not even an argument here so why bother bringing up something that's months old? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well didnt mean to upset u man its just it wasnt mentioned in the thread so I thought id clarify the point for everyone, sorry dude<p>To be honest, id like a smart for two, but they just seem a bit expensive for a two seater, even if they are made by MB, smart for fours however id love to own, all the good ideas of smart in a slightly more practical (depending on what its used for obviously) package. (I like small cars, but carry 4/5 people pretty regularly around citys) however I kno if I was in a city on my own a smart for two wud be absolutely ideal.

SV
04-11-2005, 05:38 PM
i hope smart becomes profitable in the (somewhat) near future, the fortwo is an awesome car. here in the USA everyone seems to know about smarts <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by SV at 10:17 AM 6/12/2005</i>

Santeno
04-26-2005, 10:44 AM
New Rendering from AMS:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/smart_450.88558.jpg" BORDER="0">

syclone
04-26-2005, 04:03 PM
I like the rendering, but I think they need to change more. Maybe its just living in a city that is overrun with Smarts, but the some of the unique dedign features seem to be getting a bit old.

Hornbag
04-27-2005, 04:00 AM
Is that it, a new face? i wanted more. Well at least the face looks nice, and i hope the inside is much more like the ForFour...

skoochythatone
04-27-2005, 04:32 AM
New face, new rear lights, new door handles, longer wheelbase, wider wheelbase, new interior(we've seen pics of it before)...

Jordmaniac
06-11-2005, 02:43 PM
woah, look at what the drivers doin, face a kick in da groin for that, loser. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Omar
06-11-2005, 02:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jordmaniac</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">woah, look at what the drivers doin, face a kick in da groin for that, loser. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>You talking about the driver who's making hard signals at the photographer? LOL, relax, he's just trying to make the most of his one moment of stardom <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>These have already been posted, but I've brought them back up anyway.<br><A HREF="http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/555555.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autorevue.cz/Images/4875/555555.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/23/smart_450.88558.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63512.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/63512.jpg</A><br>From what the spyshots show us, AMS are spot on with the shape of the front lights.<p>I think changing the front lights so radically has resulted in the cute aspect of its character being lost. It's a tiny car, so it needs to look cute - and I reckon that is with smaller lights. The shape of the headlights is alright, but they should be a little smaller.

ajprice
06-12-2005, 04:31 AM
<A HREF="http://www.caradisiac.com/php/essai_tun/topsecret/216/mg_8798_smart_fortwo_20072.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.caradisiac.com/php/...2.php</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag216/smart_fortwo_2_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Babelfish translation from the French site -<p><i>In 2007, the new grinding of small Smart will appear. It will be the occasion for Daimlerchrysler to re-examine the copy a little and to present more succeeded car. First of all, the overall length of Fortwo will increase by a few centimetres. Eleven surroundings on the level of the footing, which should make it possible the small car to have a better stability in straight line and turn and to limit the release of ESP. The overall length of the vehicle will pass to approximately 2,70 m, that is to say 20 centimetres more than Fortwo current. To the passage, the volume of trunk should progress of some dm3 (150 dm3 currently). The modifications should also be of an aesthetic nature, Smart Fortwo basic adopting the look of the current Brabus version. It is the front face which will undergo the most transformation (increased windshield, angle of the modified cap, vertical prow...) to allow the car to more easily pass the new standards of protection pedestrians. One will note also the appearance of new headlights of Forfour inspiration and the migration of fog in the wings. The modifications will also relate to the cockpit. Among the raised differences, most visible the disappearance of the two satellites rev counter will concern and shows. These two elements will integrate the dashboard, gathered with the indicator and speedometer various (water temperature, indicators...) under a cap placed in front of the driver. It is only one example, but it is symptomatic of what Smart with its Fortwo wants to do. While preserving the original character of the car (strict two places, mini-urban...), the German mark wants to give him a little more the serious one to try to allure broader customers. In the same order of idea, the engine output will be raised. The models of entry of range out of gasoline and diesel should post 60 CH (against 50 gasoline CH and 41 CH in diesel currently). As for the Brabus versions it should have an engine of 100 CH (74 CH currently)! With more power, Fortwo will be able to be integrated more easily in circulation and not to be ridiculous more on the major roads (main roads, motorways). Presented in the current of the year 2007, the Fortwo news will have to allure more than its devancire. Because if Smart lived up to that point with credit, the group Daimlerchrysler, its owner and principal creditor hopes well to collect the fruit of its efforts financier before the end of the decade!</i>

Omar
06-12-2005, 12:47 PM
2007??!!!! Must be coming sooner than that!

Hornbag_1
06-15-2005, 12:52 AM
Whilst waiting for friends outside of a motorbike shop I saw this small/big car in camo. I swear it was a ForTwo. The reason I called it the small/big car is because from certain angles it looks big and from other angles it looks small. No pics. Its was raining and I was to scared to take pics lol

skoochythatone
06-15-2005, 01:07 AM
Dont be scared of taking pics hornbag, they cant do anything if you dont touch the vehicle or violate the drivers privacy, such as opening a door or something..so next time, make sure to take pics!

Hornbag_1
06-15-2005, 01:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont be scared of taking pics hornbag, they cant do anything if you dont touch the vehicle or violate the drivers privacy, such as opening a door or something..so next time, make sure to take pics!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ok, Thanks for saying. I was scared becuase he might chase after me. I had school shoes on, you can run in them.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
06-15-2005, 02:00 AM
I understand that..maybe you can give the location where you saw the car so other people can be on the lookout. MB has tested cars in the UK before, so it is likely that they do it with the ForTwo, too...too...two..sorry..too many too's/two's,,,;-)

Hornbag_1
06-15-2005, 03:14 AM
I hardly think that people would come to my location because its wet and busy

Omar
06-15-2005, 07:46 AM
where did u see it?

Jordmaniac
07-28-2005, 11:53 AM
omar, 2007 as in when it will arive in the usa

ajprice
01-31-2006, 03:10 AM
Photo's have been posted before of a disguised Smart ForTwo, this is a video of the same ForTwo cars testing in the snow.<p><A HREF="http://www.automotorsport.se/filmer/smartfortwo/smartfortwo.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorsport.se/f....html</A>

Hornbag
01-31-2006, 04:43 AM
You have already created this topic last year mate?<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13538" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13538</A>

ajprice
01-31-2006, 05:39 AM
I knew I had a thread before, but I did a search and couldn't find it. Not sure whats going on but thanks for finding the old one!

Hornbag
01-31-2006, 05:42 AM
It was in the archive section <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
04-06-2006, 11:20 AM
New pictures:<p><A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Apr06/06SpyPhotosOfTheNewestSmartForTwo.html" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Apr06....html</A>

Mr. Fusion
04-06-2006, 11:55 AM
<A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Apr06/06SmartForTwoSpyPhotos/05SmartForTwoSpyPhoto_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Image...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Apr06/06SmartForTwoSpyPhotos/05SmartForTwoSpyPhoto_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Image...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Apr06/06SmartForTwoSpyPhotos/05SmartForTwoSpyPhoto_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Image...2.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Apr06/06SmartForTwoSpyPhotos/05SmartForTwoSpyPhoto_3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Image...3.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Apr06/06SmartForTwoSpyPhotos/05SmartForTwoSpyPhoto_6.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Image...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Apr06/06SmartForTwoSpyPhotos/05SmartForTwoSpyPhoto_5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://emercedesbenz.com/Image...5.jpg</A><p>Headlights are more clearer and more visable. Great photo taking Skoochythatone<br>Although not scheduled for release until April of 2007, spy photographer extraordinaire 'skoochyatone' has just sent us the first images of what we can expect from the newest smart fortwo. <p>As you can see from the photos, it appears the latest smart will remain similar in shape and size to the current model. Early rumors indicate the next smart fortwo will feature more streamlined headlights (see last photo), and despite the disguise, the spy photos appear to substantiate this fact. It also appears as though the new smart will be moving away from the three-tiered rear lights and adopting a more traditional approach, a move that most smart owners won't be losing any sleep over. <p>Of course, with the heavy masking, it's difficult to say anything with certainty. To judge for yourself what the latest smart fortwo will look like, keep scrolling to see all the pics, and as always, click any to enlarge.<p>And before I go, I have to send a special thank you once again to our man skoochyatone for supplying us with the goods. You rock partner. <br>

CosworthKid
04-06-2006, 12:30 PM
Hmmm..i thought the next fortwo will look different, more similar to that "mini Jeep-ish" concept some months ago. Even read that in a magazine not so long ago. This looks just like a facelift to me, wouldn't think of it as an all-new fortwo. The long headlamps link it more to the A-Class; i think Mercedes should stop using their core brand to sell Smarts because ppl want big price cuts in order to come back to Smart.

bolita
04-06-2006, 02:43 PM
Face lift? This is only a nose job <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
04-08-2006, 03:22 AM
Noise job, face lift, whatever, just looks at those ripping wheels! WOW, they are intense!

SV
04-08-2006, 09:10 AM
if it was just a nose job, why would they cover up the entire car?<p>it looks smaller, somehow...i know it isn't, but it seems even smaller than the current fortwo...odd <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

the future
04-18-2006, 09:52 AM
@ Skoochythatone:<p>You saw this fortwo prototype with your eyes, right? What I'd really like to know is, how the new smart sounds. As we know, it will have a new engine from Mitsubishi, so I wonder if it still has a similar sound to the unmistakable smart "swoosh"... Have you been able to hear that?

Spy Guy
04-18-2006, 01:36 PM
The new Smart still sounds the same. It is still a three cylinder engine and so it still has its typically sound. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

ajprice
05-31-2006, 01:36 PM
More pictures of it <A HREF="http://www.clubsmartcar.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4316" TARGET="_blank">here</A>.<p>Things are a little clearer now, the windscreen base is very low, with the bottom part where the wipers are blacked out. The front is the biggest change from the current Smart, the 'bonnet' is a different angle, the headlights look more like an A-Class one piece shape, and the foglights are in the bottom grille now.

Hornbag
06-01-2006, 04:21 AM
Even in camo is looks so awesome. Far out I gotta have one of these babies one day! I really like how they have done the new front, so it kinda has a bonnet now, and those wheels are hella cool!!!

Tidal
06-01-2006, 06:40 AM
<A HREF="http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8615/smart07f5qf.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img390.imageshack.us/im...f.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4874/smart07s0tb.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img392.imageshack.us/im...b.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2802/smart07r4qd.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img392.imageshack.us/im...d.jpg</A><p>And can someone please tell me if this is some sort of functional air intake or if it's just camo? Thanks.<p><A HREF="http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8648/smart077yc.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img69.imageshack.us/img...c.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoID/6060601.002/page/1/country/gcf/smart/new-smart-fortwo-spy-photos" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...hotos</A>

skoochythatone
06-01-2006, 02:35 PM
It is an air intake. The current model has the same thing, but covered by a plastic lid on one side. The new model will have it, too, I guess even bigger this time, that comes probably from the fact that the engine will be bigger and therefore needs better cooling cuz the overall size doesnt really increase that much.

ajprice
06-02-2006, 11:58 AM
This cabrio has a heated glass rear window, the current cabrio has a plastic window that folds up with the roof, should help to get a better view out back in this one with the roof up.

DrPetrus
06-07-2006, 08:43 AM
Four old pictures and, I believe, ten new. <p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/gcf/spyphotoID/6060601.002/smart/new-smart-fortwo-spy-photos" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...hotos</A>

LSS_C6
06-16-2006, 01:12 PM
It looks way more mature! Is it true it`s going to have 3 seats? I`ve read it in a magazine!

against the wall
06-16-2006, 02:27 PM
then that ruins the name for<B>two</B>

CosworthKid
06-16-2006, 02:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LSS_C6</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it true it`s going to have 3 seats? I`ve read it in a magazine!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It wouldnt be a For=Two then would it?

knicks125
06-17-2006, 09:27 PM
From 4Car:<p><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/gallery.jsp?id=1800" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/g...=1800</A>

the future
06-28-2006, 07:54 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/heftarchiv/vorschau.php?oid=b5dwbEj8Cb6oQIW0pi9jGPJniPBjTic0A 5PWVltdTPbVZQwwujflq%2FQEKpN1aSJjtl7VJZEds4s26Bekc 8fYPQ%3D%3D" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/heftarc...3D%3D</A><p>This CGI seems to be pretty realistic. It looks similar to the concept car "crosstown" that was shown at the IAA last autumn. I'm not sure about the rear quarter - will there really be so much plastic?

Santeno
06-28-2006, 09:11 AM
There was an article in yesterday's NY Times saying that DCX has decided once again to introduce the Smart brand to the US with this car. This time they plan on introducing it only in large congested urban markets such as New York City, and they plan on emphasizing the Mercedes connection. Apparently the high gasoline prices, heavy traffic and lack of parking space have finally prompted them to reconsider. Also the car has done quite well since it was introduced in canada, so they expect similar performance in the US.<p>IMHO, they would be better off in selling A-Class Mercedes here in conjunction with the Smart, just rebadge the MB's as smarts so as not to dilute MB's premium image in the US. I wouldn't consider buying a smart for-two or for four, but an A-class (even if badged as a smart) would make a much more viable option. This is especially true when you consider that the smart will be competing against subcompacts from Honda and Toyota.

the1
06-28-2006, 11:40 AM
I don't get it. DCX management is so undecided... first they said they'll ditch the smart brand, then they say they will launch a new For2 and also start selling smarts in the US.

Bass-o-Matic
06-28-2006, 05:40 PM
Here-Here... I totally agree. I never understood why they didn't package the A-class in with the Smart line-up.<p>I want a Brabus!!!!

Ascariss
06-28-2006, 05:44 PM
Simple, slap on a star onto the car, and viola people will pay a premium on it.<p>I don't think the A class would have worked as a smart, it needs to be a merc.

Santeno
06-29-2006, 07:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think the A class would have worked as a smart, it needs to be a merc.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>True in europe and in other markets where smaller and wagon-style MB's already have a precense, but in the US I don't think they would be accepted. However as a very high end mini car (an econo car with luxury car appointments and conveniences) It would be readily accepted in the US. Just look at the way BMW has marketed mini (as a sport-luxury mini car and not as an economy car, without hiding the BMW connection). Smarts as economy cars are just missing the point with american customers.

the1
06-29-2006, 08:51 AM
Smart launches US assault<br>28 June 2006<p>The Smart brand is about to hit America<br>• US launch for Smart brand in 2008<br>• New market gives hope to troubled brand<br>• New Fortwo to appear in mid-2007<p>Smart will be launched in the US in early 2008, according to owners DaimlerChrysler.<p>After the Roadster, Forfour supermini and a future compact off-roader project were all canned, the future of the entire Smart marque looked very much in the balance.<p>The announcement that Smart will go on sale in the US with the next-generation version of the Fortwo shows that DaimlerChrysler is still committed to the range.<p>While the new Fortwo goes on sale in the US in 2008, European showrooms are expected to have the car by the middle of next year. <p>whatcar.co.uk

Ace of Spades
06-29-2006, 12:10 PM
Hahah, I think it's gonna be the definitive swan song for smart, and, sadly, I won't release any tear for it. Well, I don't know what was Daimler-Benz thinking when they were for it, but, as someone of you would know, it was a joint effort between M-B and Swatch, what was the last one who had the idea, and in a fisrt moment they approached VW, but they (wisely) rejected the idea. Swatch almost went bankrupt, and abandoned the project, leaving that "marvelous" thing to M-B, who continued the project enthusiatically, only to see losses, an losses, and more losses... They tried all that could, with the ForFour (black future for it), the Roadster (missing in action, M-B sold its rights to an obcure British sports car manufacturer that never manufactured nothing, yet), and the not-born ForMore... Well, they tried all except the most obvious, in my view, manufacturing it in the underused M-B factory in Brazil, one of the most expensive and modern factories in the world, that keeps buildind A-Class at a ridiculous rate, only for Brazil and Mercosur markets, didi they ever thought to send the cars built there to the US? Would it be expesive to do this? I don't know, but, have they thought about this?

Mr. Fusion
07-08-2006, 04:44 AM
<A HREF="http://www.forosmart.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/normal_SFS.jpg" TARGET="_blank">Spy Picture 1</A><p><A HREF="http://www.forosmart.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/normal_SFS%281%29.jpg" TARGET="_blank">Spy Picture 2</A><p><A HREF="http://www.forosmart.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/normal_SFS%282%29.jpg" TARGET="_blank">Spy Picture 3</A><p>Source: ForoSmart.com

Mr. Fusion
08-11-2006, 06:57 AM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060811.001/country/gcf/smart/spy-photos-more-next-gen-smart-fortwo" TARGET="_blank">New Spy Photos</A> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DaimlerChrysler is committed<br>Despite the considerable losses with this project, DaimlerChrysler is committed to updating and continuing its Smart model range, however, only with the ForTwo version as convertible and hardtop. All other possible variants  the Smart ForFour, the roadster-coupe and the SUV-ForMore - have been dumped. <p>These latest photos from recent testing in Austria and California are showing two different prototypes of the ForTwo convertible. Under the black tape, there are new headlamps and taillights, a new front grille and flush-fitted door handles, plus more aerodynamic door mirrors. <p>The next generation Smart ForTwo will grow about 20cm in overall length and will make its debut at the Geneva Motor Show in spring 2007. <p>The revamped Diesel engine will make the Smart even more economical and is said to turn the little vehicle into a true three-litre car. Furthermore DaimlerChrysler will introduce the fuel-engined version of the next Smart ForTwo for the first time also in the United States.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Source: WCF

Mr. Fusion
08-14-2006, 02:23 AM
<A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/country/gcf/newsID/2060811.009/smart/smart-fortwo-design-analysis" TARGET="_blank">Click Here For Pictures And Sketches</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Design: <p>Emotional drive<br>Giving concepts a concrete shape is a challenge that a designer must face time and time again. But no matter how many times the process is repeated, it can never become routine. Unlike for an engine, for example, mathematical formulae and the laws of thermodynamics are only of limited use when grappling with the concreteness of a three-dimensional product.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com" TARGET="_blank">WCF</A>

mick78
08-14-2006, 05:57 AM
Those sketches on WCF show the old model.

Mr. Fusion
08-22-2006, 03:58 AM
Smart ForTwo in the desert:<p><A HREF="http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8096.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8096.JPG</A><p><A HREF="http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8093.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8093.JPG</A><p><A HREF="http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8095.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8095.JPG</A><p><A HREF="http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8094.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/IMG_8094.JPG</A><p>Source: static.blogo.it

Hornbag
08-22-2006, 04:24 AM
It seems as if they have been testing this car for like 10 years. Pitty the inside picture has a lot of reflection in it, you can almost see inside it. Nice looking headlights too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

mick78
08-22-2006, 05:39 AM
I'm starting to feel that this could become a dissapointment, at least for me: Especially from the side it looks less compact and radical like the first Smart, and the interior lacks definetly the orginal lines of the old model without lookind upperclass like a Mercedes. It looks like sthg. u could also find in a Hyundai Atos....

CosworthKid
08-22-2006, 03:17 PM
I actually think it looks more compact, not less. Dunno but im starting to find it to look kinda cuter than current. Previous shots made it look bloody identical to current but this one looks different i think. Im hoping it will be styled well enough to take Fiat 500 a well as 107/C1/Aygo triplets and next Ka. Here's to hope <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

ROCKAPIX
09-04-2006, 03:10 AM
Edit: links updated ... they should work now<p>The latest DCX marketing campaign - the new Smart ForTwo as a sandsculpture: <p><A HREF="http://uplode.us/up/bild1615.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://uplode.us/up/bild1615.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://uplode.us/up/bild1616.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://uplode.us/up/bild1616.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://uplode.us/up/bild1617.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://uplode.us/up/bild1617.jpg</A><p>Source: Smart-Roadster-Board<p>Donald Duck's new car?<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by ROCKAPIX at 5:14 AM 9/4/2006</i>

Mil
09-04-2006, 03:19 AM
Those websites are 403 Forbidden, could you post the pics on imageshack...<p>It does look slightly smaller, but i think its bigger. And there will probably be more Mercedes influence in the design. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
09-04-2006, 06:36 AM
that looks like the redesigned one, not the one out now. looks cool. i wonder if it will be offered in that color, lol.

knicks125
09-04-2006, 07:17 AM
More information:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=20852" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=20852</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ROCKAPIX</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Donald Duck's new car?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

kuules
09-21-2006, 05:30 AM
<p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/03.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/04.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/05.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/06.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/07.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/08.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/09.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/10.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/11.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/12.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/13.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/14.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.q-concepts.nl/smart/fortwo2007/15.jpg" BORDER="0">

the future
09-21-2006, 06:40 AM
Huh? What's that Coke bottle in the seventh picture for?

Blob
09-21-2006, 09:22 AM
looks brilliant, especially the interior.<p>shame the zooms on high!

the1
09-21-2006, 12:35 PM
The interior is a huge step forward compared to the current For2. The exterior seems to be cute and evolutionary. Job well done.

SHEPO
09-21-2006, 12:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mafia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Huh? What's that Coke bottle in the seventh picture for?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol i was just wondering the same thing....<p>the car looks great...big improvement from the old one, which will help it sell once it reaches the U.S.

Smart22186
09-21-2006, 03:59 PM
coke bottle there due to accident it reflected in the glass, its real purpose for being their is that the car has had its photos taken next to a coke bottle to show how small that damm thing is lol!<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
09-22-2006, 12:00 AM
Details wise it's still very faithful to the origional isn't it? Looks like there will be good storage in the newer car, that dash holder looks huge! While the dash looks nicer, I'm not sold. Still looks cheap to me, better color might help? The tail lights and the little black fin on the side rock though. New door handles are a nice touch. <p>But is it me or does it lack the Tridgen Body? In the first picture it looks to be all one color, so could there be no more plastic body pannels?

the future
09-22-2006, 09:26 AM
Maybe they are trying to say that the form of the Smart is as iconic as a coke bottle?

AXIS
09-25-2006, 05:22 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/hellospaceboy/For2.jpg" BORDER="0">

SV
09-25-2006, 05:26 PM
still a photoshop (headlights don't match), but looks good...very close to the real thing, i'd say <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
09-25-2006, 06:00 PM
thats the autobild chop isnt it?

Gian86
09-26-2006, 12:27 AM
Here's official sketch pic of 07 ForTwo:<p><A HREF="http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/09/107573206c3847_39.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/...9.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/09/107574306c3847_40.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/...0.jpg</A><p>Source: Autoblog.com<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

the future
09-30-2006, 02:12 AM
Where's the new Smart Fortwo in Paris???

bm88
09-30-2006, 03:04 AM
It isn't been shown at Paris.<p>I presume it's becuase in France its already a 'mainstream' car. My guess is a US launch at NAIAS to kickstart the Smart brand in the US.

Nurburgring
09-30-2006, 08:09 AM
I miss the envy of the Americans. Now they get it too. &lt;sigh&gt;

Uberwagon
10-02-2006, 08:52 PM
Lol!<p>Unfortunately, I don't think this car will sell here. Two things are going against it:<p>1. Size. Our oversized SUVs have made a lot of drivers into "defensive buyers." A LOT of people in the US buy larger cars in the hopes that the idiot SUV driver won't kill them while yacking on their cell phone. That makes a car like this a very serious compromise in the face of daily danger. I just don't think a large volume of people will do that.<p>2. Mileage. There's a lot of very efficient options coming to market in the next 24 months. If the Smart won't dramatically exceed hybrid-level mileage (new Prius/Honda models with significantly better mileage coming) the main selling point to an educated urban green target will be mute. <p>The very dark caveat to this that everyone in the car business better get ready for: <p>Iraq is definitely going to fall the wrong way and it's going to sting. The US will have to withdraw, leaving radical factions to duke it out over power and, yes, oil. This matters because a hardline Shiite Islamist government will most likely win, form some sort of block with Shiite Iran and start destabilizing their neighbors, namely Saudi Arabia. When the resulting $200+ barrel of oil hits the market, inexpensive Smart Fortwo's will suddenly look very, VERY attractive.

against the wall
10-03-2006, 09:20 AM
dont forget the for2 isnt gonna be sold in all 50 states, but mostly in the big cities, where there is stop and go traffic.

the future
10-24-2006, 07:34 AM
New CGIs from "auto motor und sport"<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/129660/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=15" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...ip=15</A><br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/129660/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=16" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...ip=16</A><br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/129660/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=17" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...ip=17</A><p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/mercedes_neuheiten_maerz_und_verstand.129664.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...4.htm</A><br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/smart_usa_900_haendler_wollen_kleinwagen.129750.ht m" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...0.htm</A><p><br>The new Smart Fortwo will be the car with the lowest CO2-emission (even lower than the ones of the Toyota Prius). The new engine will have 70 hp or 90 hp (turbo version), and again, there will follow a Brabus version.<p>In the USA, there is already a big demand for the Smart: There are already more than 900 dealers who want to sell it. The price will be less than $ 15,000 in the USA and starting from  9,500 in Europe.<br>

CosworthKid
10-24-2006, 11:17 AM
Can we really compare a tiny 2seater city car with the Prius? I would expect it to have lower emissions than the Prius but then again im not an expert in these things <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

bm88
10-25-2006, 02:41 AM
The key is that the Prius isn't as efficient as it should be.<p>At launch at least, the ForTwo will only be available with petrol and possibly a diesel engine while the Prius is the super economical hybrid. As the smart only has a tiny engine it is very economical, but because of its size it provides ample performance.<p>Both cars are basically different concepts for inner city driving.

ajprice
11-03-2006, 07:37 AM
<A HREF="http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2904/2007fortwodnl5.jpg" TARGET="_blank">Link</A><p>A magazine scan of an apparently undisguised car, but its photoshopped. It's definitely based on a photo of a test car (barcode label near the rear light). The back wheel has been pasted onto the front (its exactly the same), anyone spot any other obvious photoshopped bits? Just trying to work out whats real, and how accurate the image is.

morphy
11-03-2006, 05:15 PM
<A HREF="http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c45112wl5.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4010/c45112wl5.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c45113cw7.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7002/c45113cw7.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <p>Next week is to be presented the new smart fortwo (C451) to the press. In April 07 he comes first as Coup. Later than Cabrio. The length grows over approx.. 15 to 20 cm. The trunk volume rises from 150 to 220 litres. It is offered with 71 and 84 HP also a Brabus to version with 100 HP will follow. This Benziner comes from Mitsubishi. The Diesel comes further from Mercedes and is to need this time under 3 litres on 100 km.

bm88
11-04-2006, 03:38 AM
IMO this looks like a previous generation car to the current one!<p>At least it will bring down prices of RHD ForTwo's for me. :P

Tidal
11-04-2006, 08:17 AM
AutoExpress are claiming that this car will be about 9cm ( 3,5 inches ) wider. That seems like a lot to me, especially for narrow european streets, and also since it's supposed to be able to park sideways, the bigger length won't help either. Can anyone confirm this?<p>If it's true, aren't they kinda missing the point of the car? I think they risk alienating a lot of customers.

the1
11-04-2006, 02:49 PM
In the pics it doesn't seem to be much bigger than the current one.

Hornbag
11-05-2006, 06:28 AM
Morphy, do you know when the public will see the car?

protocatcher
11-05-2006, 06:50 AM
Will be official on the 9th of November if i remember correctly.