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Charger
01-27-2005, 08:25 PM
<IMG SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/854541d.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: supercars and some mag<br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/854872b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...b.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/854872c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A>

Roadster44
01-27-2005, 08:31 PM
Hmm and that's going to totally kill value of the current one. What happened to redesigning F models every 10 years?

Naga Royal Guard
01-27-2005, 08:50 PM
POWA Warz aint over yet

Reppu
01-28-2005, 12:08 AM
If that's the next F60 then we are still two years away

Top Secret
01-28-2005, 03:15 AM
Only two years? I would've thought it would be released like 2010, well after the production of the Enzo was finished.

Reppu
01-28-2005, 04:20 AM
F40 (1987) = 40th aniversary of Ferrari<br>F60, if that's the name, must come in 2007

Seller Automotive
01-28-2005, 06:55 AM
Even though the article for the basis of this Thread is "catchy".. the thread name really should be changed to "Ferrari F60"

MUGEN
01-29-2005, 02:02 PM
Don't flame me on this, but I always thought that the F60 was the Enzo. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Seller Automotive
01-29-2005, 03:15 PM
Lots of people did Mugen... according to Italiaspeed.com , which gets good inside information from Italy, claims the F60 will come out in 2007, and have near 800hp.

JBlair
01-29-2005, 04:15 PM
The Enzo was the F60, if you consider how they ordered the high-power models. IMHO, this new version will be the F70, though probably with a different name.

Hornbag
01-29-2005, 08:41 PM
Still looks just like an Enzo with a few changes to me.

Seller Automotive
01-29-2005, 09:15 PM
JBlair... dumbest thing i've ever heard.<p>F cars are anniversary cars.. Enzo was in celebration of the late Enzo Ferrari... it had absolutely nothing to do with an anniversary..<p>The F40, F50, and soon to be F60 all tie into Ferrari's 40th, 50th, and soon 60th Anniversary celebrations (just because the F50 was 2 years early, Ferrari still PUBLICALLY said the reason for the vehicle was in celebration with the company's 50th Anniversary).<p>This goes well beyond people's 'opinions'.. its Factual Ferrari Information.

JBlair
01-30-2005, 04:39 PM
Show me a link directly from Ferrari for your 'factual' information. As a matter of fact, right up until its' design was publicly unveiled, what is now known as the Enzo was called F60 by nearly everybody. As far as I know, it was the F60, and I'll need to see hard proof from Ferrari to the contrary. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">F60 Breaks Cover<p><br>Ferrari has shocked the motoring world with this first official picture of the successor to the F40 and F50 supercars. Labelled the 'FX prototype', the controversially styled car is on display at the Tokyo Museum of Contemporary Art until July 14. The production-ready version, which will almost certainly be called the F60, will be shown at the Paris motor show in September.<p>Styling house Pininfarina is once again credited with the new Ferrari's styling. Obviously function has dictated form but the ruthlessly aerodynamic shape has had a mixed reception. Maranello sources assure evo that the pictures don't convey the drama and scale of the car and that when the Cd and downforce figure are released any doubts about the shape will evaporate. The FX was penned by Japanese designer Ken Okuyama and the car spent hundreds of hours in the wind tunnel to ensure ultimate high-speed stability.<p>Ferrari remains tight-lipped about the specification of the F60 but sources close to the factory have revealed that it will be powered by a brand new 6-litre V12 producing somewhere in the region of 650bhp. The Formula 1-influenced styling of the car, seen most clearly around the nose, is echoed in the decision not to offer a conventional manual gearbox. Instead the F60 will channel its considerable power to the rear wheels through a seven-speed version of Ferrari's F1 semi-manual system.<p>As revealed in last month's evo news, Ferrari has worked with Magnetti Marelli (which makes the gearbox software) to improve shift times and smoothness.<p>Changes should be completed two or three times faster than in the current F1-equipped 360s and 575s. The popularity of the F1 'box in the 360 Modena (60 per cent are sold with the semi-manual system) has persuaded Ferrari engineers that customers are keen to make the link with the company's success on the track. Since the F60 is aiming to be the closest thing to an F1 car for the road, a standard-fit seven-speed sequential 'box seems logical.<p>The McLaren F1's incredible 240mph top speed won't be threatened by the Ferrari due to the exceptional levels of downforce produced by the F60's underbody aerodynamics. Stability at speed has been the main goal although it will still run on to around 205mph  a small but important 3mph more than the new 575 Maranello. However, Ferrari has always wanted to beat the McLaren's 0-100mph time of 6.3 seconds. The F60 should be the car to make that happen.<p>Carbonfibre bodywork and chassis ensure a kerb weight of only 1200kg and mean that 0-60mph should be dispatched in the low three-second bracket, with 100mph flashing past in six seconds. This should mean the F60 will set the performance benchmark for the new generation of supercars from Porsche (the Carrera GT) and McLaren (the Mercedes SLR) as well as those from smaller specialists like Pagani and Edonis.<p>The F60 will be built in very limited numbers (fewer than the 349 of the F50) and the price will be set at around 350,000. UK customers will receive their cars early in 2003.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>From <A HREF="http://www.evo.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.evo.co.uk</A>

Seller Automotive
01-30-2005, 05:01 PM
Thats fine Jblair... UP UNTIL ITS INTRODUCTION all the media ASSUMED it was the F60...<p>you are living in the Past man... its been over a year since they released the car.. In MANY press conferences Ferrari specifically told EVERYONE that the Enzo is NOT an anniversary car.. it was built in celebration of the Late Enzo Ferrari.<p>I'm not "proving" anything... any true car enthusiast, specifically a ferrari enthusiast, followed the Enzo even AFTER it was introduced.... the only knowledge you know about the car was what the MEDIA told you up until it was introduced.. You should have continued to show enthusiasm for the car after it was introduced, when Ferrari FINALLY started to submit Press Releases on it.. <p>TONS of media professionals asked Ferrari after its introduction if this was in place of an F60.. And everytime ferrari said "NO, F Cars are Anniversary cars, the Enzo was built in celebration of the late Enzo Ferrari (the man).<p><br>And by the way JBlair.... You're article you Quoted was from BEFORE the Enzo's introduction... It's all speculation.. which turned out to be wrong.. The Enzo has nothing to do with the F40, F50.. and what will eventually be the F60.<p>I understand that before the official introduction of the Enzo, almost everyone thought it was the F60.. But now, after its introduction, we know that is not true.. I'm not blaming you for thinking it was the F60 before it was officially introduced.. I'm blaming you for not paying attention to what Ferrari has said SINCE the car was Introduced.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 4:07 PM 1/30/2005</i>

JBlair
01-30-2005, 05:05 PM
SHOW ME PROOF!!!!! You have yet to do this. I have shown you an article, now reciprocate. I can back up what I am saying, but at this moment you cannot.

Seller Automotive
01-30-2005, 05:08 PM
STOP blair.. AGAIN I'LL SAY, your article is from BEFORE the official Introduction, the person that wrote that article is LAUGHING now because he got his info wrong..<p>Thats the risk you take with Speculation... no one knows for sure what the car is going to be until the manufacturer makes official announcements<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 4:13 PM 1/30/2005</i>

Charger
01-30-2005, 05:09 PM
Ok children, lets tone it down a bit. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
01-30-2005, 05:10 PM
quoting a media speculation isnt proof

JBlair
01-30-2005, 05:10 PM
Listen to me very carefully. You are claiming that the Enzo is not the F60 and was never considered the F60. I have shown you an article to counter your argument which claims very clearly that the Enzo was the F60 up until the very moment it was introduced. You are making claims that you are not backing up with proof, even if it is from a media source. As I was forcefully shown before, if you make claims such as the ones you have made, you MUST back them up with proof other than your word.

Seller Automotive
01-30-2005, 05:15 PM
BUT YOUR ARTICLE WAS MEDIA SPECULATION... it was someone no different than you or me just "Writing" an article.<p>Any single person on this site will back me up... what I am saying is exactly what Ferrari has said MULTIPLE times.. SINCE the Enzo's introduction. Your article would only hold water if it was WRITTEN AFTER the enzo's introduction.... But you wont find one, because Ferrari cleared up "What" the Enzo was after they introduced it.. A car to celebrate the great Enzo Ferrari. SPECIFICALLY "It is NOT an Anniversary car".<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 4:35 PM 1/30/2005</i>

JBlair
01-30-2005, 05:17 PM
I will say it one last time, and then I am leaving this thread. You have 'quoted' material from Ferrari but have yet to actually show us that material to back up your claim. Granted, my material was from the media, but often they are more right then most automakers would like to admit. And unlike what you may think, most reputable auto media outlets do actually research their stories and get good information before they publish them. Why are you avoiding posting your quoted information from Ferrari? Could it be that you made it up?

AM2K
01-30-2005, 05:34 PM
To be fair, both of you guys have valid point. To this day, i have heard several journalists refer to the Enzo as the F60 (including Jeremy Clarkson who knows a fair bit about cars)..<p>But both of you do have valid points, so lets agree to disagree before it gets ugly please? Im sure we'll eventually find out if the next gen F60 / whatever its called will be all about.

Seller Automotive
01-30-2005, 05:36 PM
Blair... my old name was Spotseller. im not some "noob"

AM2K
01-30-2005, 05:40 PM
Seller, then im sure you'll know that we appreciate healthy conversation, but not comments about each other being dumb or saying stupid comments.. so lets keep it good please.

Andrey
01-30-2005, 07:45 PM
Do u think Enzo is faster than Bugatti Veyrron on curvy roads?

Roadster44
01-30-2005, 09:44 PM
I'm going to agree with spotseller on this one. He knows supercars...trust me. But still I'm trying to figure out Ferrari's reasoning for super enzo. Wouldn't it kill value of current car?

Reppu
01-31-2005, 12:32 AM
Sorry JBlair, but Seller is right in this one. I can't back it up as you are asking for, but it's not speculation, the Enzo was never meant to be the F-60. I've read it from official sources a number of times, but i never kept the articles. It could have been the F55 though......

Top Secret
01-31-2005, 01:15 AM
I dunno - I've read some magazine article with an interview with the boss of Ferrari Special Vehicles that they themselves thought it was going to be called, judging from the natural evolution of the names, but then at the end the Boss of Ferrari named it Enzo.<p>I dunno, I might be wrong, I'll try to dig the interview up.

ll0ll
01-31-2005, 03:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SHOW ME PROOF!!!!! You have yet to do this. I have shown you an article, now reciprocate. I can back up what I am saying, but at this moment you cannot. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since the media is so important in this case in your opinion, i have a url where you can read your wrong.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>At nearly the same time, Ferrari announced its supercar - show name FX - will be called "Enzo" rather than F60. Of course, it will be called "Enzo Ferrari" like the legendary founder of the company rather than "Ferrari Enzo" (this doesn't make sense!). <p><b>Personally I support the decision not to use "F60" because this year is not the 60th anniversary of Ferrari, </b>also because the name was already ruined by F50. However, whether Enzo is a good name is arguable. It could be confusing if I say "I love Enzo Ferrari but not Enzo Ferrari" or "Enzo Ferrari was always closely linked to F1, so is Enzo Ferrari" or "Enzo Ferrari would have approved this Enzo Ferrari just like Dino Ferrari would have loved to build Dino Ferrari". Something like that. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br><A HREF="http://www.autozine.org/0_News/Archive/2002_06/News.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autozine.org/0_News...s.htm</A>

wang
01-31-2005, 04:06 PM
someone should chop the new Enzo<br>and make it look like the new Super Enzo

CPWerks
02-01-2005, 12:03 AM
email me please with that suggestion<p>photoshopedup@gmail.com

Aidan
02-02-2005, 01:49 PM
J Blair, seller automotive is right. it was to celebarate the life of Enzo Ferrari... The 'Enzo'<br>

Seller Automotive
04-30-2005, 02:56 PM
This has nothing to do with Ferrari... "Modena" is a city in Italy.. not just the name of a Ferrari.

Spock
05-01-2005, 01:38 AM
I think it has a little bit do with with Ferrari. They will not impress anyone with 600hp, they have to build next "Enzo" or F60 with 800+ hp.

Nick
05-01-2005, 02:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This has nothing to do with Ferrari... "Modena" is a city in Italy.. not just the name of a Ferrari.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I believe the main Ferrari factory or headquarters or something is stationed in Modena.

erzhik
05-01-2005, 10:47 AM
probably not super Enzo, maybe just a face lift

Seller Automotive
05-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Project 1221 is a supercar being built by a company that has NOTHING TO DO WITH FERRARI.. I dont know why that article was posted in this thread.<p><br>1221 is NOT a Ferrari prototype.. it has nothing to do with ferrari.

r3vilo
05-02-2005, 02:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nick</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I believe the main Ferrari factory or headquarters or something is stationed in Modena.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes, I think thats right. I'm not sure ikf its the HQ, but there is certainly a factory there. I think its also where they test their F1

Gallo
05-02-2005, 04:51 PM
Enzo Ferrari borned in Modena, the Ferrari headquarters and factory are in Maranello, very near Modena. Ferrari test their F1 in Mugello and Fiorano. <br>About the new F60, I think we need to wait until 2006 aprox. to see the first images of the car, like in 1996 appeared the first images of the F50. I think that this new car will be amazing

erzhik
05-02-2005, 10:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Face lift??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> Ferrari won't facelift the ENZO!! This is going to be a new car... for the anniversary of FERRARI, due in 2007. 60 years... that means that this is the F60!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I thought that Enzo is F60..they named it Enzo because of the creator..

ll0ll
05-03-2005, 12:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I thought that Enzo is F60..they named it Enzo because of the creator.. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe you should read the whole thread...

carrera4
05-03-2005, 05:02 AM
I think that probably they could have chosen F60, but in that period Ferrari was using names for its cars (Modena, Maranello, Enzo and then Scaglietti). My idea it's that Ferrari it's quite free in the way it choses car names...<br>Now they've changed again and there's the F430 (no anniversary here). <p>However it should be right to call the new supercar F60 and show it for the 60 anniversary

Reppu
05-03-2005, 11:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> And who even told you that F series is for Anniversary?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, Ferrari did, when they revealed the F40 back in 1987.

carrera4
05-04-2005, 12:28 AM
Never heard of it (and the ferrari site doesn't mention it)<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">F430 has a name: MONZA. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>

against the wall
05-04-2005, 03:01 PM
1. its a limited edition car<br>2. why facelift a car that doesnt need one<br>well, maybe not ten but i can think of 2 important ones so wutever

carrera4
05-05-2005, 12:25 AM
I don't think it will be a facelift (even the F430 isn't a simple facelift of the 360 modena)

fantomas76
05-05-2005, 05:48 AM
On Autosprint of this week, first spypic of the "Superenzo" testmule. Sorry, I cannot scan it.<p>"Enzo Ferrari" real project name is "FX".<br><A HREF="http://www.enzoregister.barchetta.cc/images/0008/129583-3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.enzoregister.barche...3.jpg</A><p>(found @ <A HREF="http://www.enzoregister.barchetta.cc" TARGET="_blank">http://www.enzoregister.barchetta.cc</A>/)

carrera4
05-05-2005, 07:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fantomas76</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On Autosprint of this week, first spypic of the "Superenzo" testmule. Sorry, I cannot scan it.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Is it called superenzo there too?

erzhik
05-05-2005, 08:04 AM
F430 is a completely different car. It's doesn't look like Modena at all.. Even the body is different, but this so called "Super Enzo" or "F60" as some of you call it, is nearly the same as Enzo, maybe just the headlights are different

Redline
05-05-2005, 03:17 PM
Well seeing as there aren't even pictures of this thing, I think we should wait before passing judgement on what this thing does or doesn't look like.

erzhik
05-05-2005, 06:25 PM
yeah, we will wait and see who was right and who was wrong..we will see how they will call it. Enzo (facelift) or F60...

Santeno
05-05-2005, 08:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, we will wait and see who was right and who was wrong..we will see how they will call it. Enzo (facelift) or F60...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>You guys do realize that this is not a cmpetition to see who knows the most right.

~*~STORM~*~
05-05-2005, 09:43 PM
The F430 is a bit new car and bit 360 Modena.<p>The doors and roof and bonnet are carried over, but the front and rear structures are different. And obviously the engine is also "totally new" (as the engine is basically derived from the maserati V8)...

~*~STORM~*~
05-08-2005, 12:30 AM
found on <A HREF="http://www.ultimecarpage.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ultimecarpage.com</A><p><A HREF="http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=301686#post301686" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ultimatecarpage.com...01686</A><p>the first few photos show the enzo with "lexan windows, huge gurney flap,NACA duct on nose, pneumatic jack (?) behind the gearbox, blacked out windscreen, race fuel filler, no mufflers"<p>and there are even photos of an enzo in complete unpainted carbon fibre just like a racer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>tell me if it the url works properly.

against the wall
05-08-2005, 06:31 AM
the black enzo were spy pics of the ferrari enzo before it was released. theres a site called fantasycars.com that used to have those pics under f60.

Santeno
05-10-2005, 09:42 AM
Here are more news from Autoweek. Apparently the car might just be an engineering mule:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102367" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102367</A>

Uberwagon
05-10-2005, 02:20 PM
IMHO, Ferrari will not "facelift" an extremely low-volume car they do not even build any more (all 399 delivered last year and all Maserati MC12's, based on the Enzo platform, are now complete). They seem to have a semi-regular "supercar" offering every 7 or so years (the 288 GTO, F40, F50, Enzo) and it's well-known that they are developing another, so...<p>This Enzo, as stated in the Autoweek article, looks to be an original Enzo development mule, refitted to test new equipment. Unlike other manufacturers, Ferrari's mules do not automatically go into the crusher. Some are kept around for further development or testing, as this one seems to be doing. Given the tail-pipes jutting out of the tail, it might be carrying the next "super" Ferrari V12.<p>

Seller Automotive
05-10-2005, 06:36 PM
F60 test mule.. thats my take<p>Seeing a mule Now is perfect for a 2007 Release (60th Anniversary)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Seller Automotive at 6:53 PM 5/10/2005</i>

fantomas76
05-11-2005, 05:52 AM
There's no reason for using an Enzo to make it a testmule for the next extreme sportscar. And Ferrari never done it in the past. No reason to change the doorwindows, also I can't see any modification in wheelbase or width. So there is no another car under this Enzo.<p>Definitely is a customer modification request. There is a different windscreen, electric safety switches, a supplementary duct on the bonnet hold by the racing clips, a different exhaust system and the nolder on the rear.<p>I would like to know what it could be the strange snorkel on the roof...

Seller Automotive
05-11-2005, 11:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fantomas76</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's no reason for using an Enzo to make it a testmule for the next extreme sportscar. And Ferrari never done it in the past. No reason to change the doorwindows, also I can't see any modification in wheelbase or width. So there is no another car under this Enzo.<p>Definitely is a customer modification request. There is a different windscreen, electric safety switches, a supplementary duct on the bonnet hold by the racing clips, a different exhaust system and the nolder on the rear.<p>I would like to know what it could be the strange snorkel on the roof...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I still think its a test Mule.. using an Enzo to confuse many people like yourself.<p>And perhaps many things wont change between the Enzo and F60.. theres no real reason to change wheel width, wheelbase, the car is pretty perfect as is (engineering).. give it a slight re-skin(360 to 430).. new wheels, clearly different exhausts.. rumors state a much larger engine, 6.5-6.8 liter V12 (700-800hp).<p>And there ya go. 2007 Ferrari F60.. it will sell out even faster than the Enzo. and be traded on the open market for even more money.

r3vilo
05-11-2005, 11:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>7 speed SMG</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>F430 has a name: MONZA. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought it was called berlinetta? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
05-11-2005, 12:21 PM
berlineta is a type of vehicle configuration (such as targa or shooting break are configurations), not a model name.

Uberwagon
05-11-2005, 02:46 PM
There is a very good reason for using a previous model to test equipment (such as engines) for a succeeding model: The new chassis is simply not ready when systems testing needs to begin. Ferrari, like virtually every other manufacturer, has to test different pieces independantly and HAS tested new engines and other equipment in older model mules for generations. If you look back at all the old spyshots in magazines over the last 25 years, you'll see: The 348 engine was tested in a 328. The Testarossa powerplant was tested in a 512bb. And I think I recall the 612 started testing in a 550 mule. There are often too many pieces being developed at the same time to test it all in one package until later. It's pretty typical and it's an easy way to keep everyone from knowing what's coming.<p>In this case (pure speculation only) the lexan windows and extra ducting are probably to ensure safety and proper cooling and venting during high-speed testing. Lexan does not shatter durng impacts and prototype engines often have different cooling needs. There is a very real possibility of an accident when developing a prototype whose primary mission is extreme high-speed so test-driver safety is a bigger issue. Extra switchgear is often used for fire-extinguishers (prototypes are worth millions), testing gear, telemetry equipment, data acquisition, etc. And the modified rear-end probably indicates that the engine is not of the Enzo variety, requiring some body modifications in order to fit or operate as intended (ducting, cooling, differnt mounting, and so forth).<p>So, to be honest, I don't think there's any way we can speak in such certain terms as to what Ferrari's intentions are when this is clearly a car in development: Manufacturers make it their business to hide what they are doing from competitors and, yes, perplex us pesky spyshot snoops. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
05-11-2005, 03:08 PM
Uberwagon, I bow for your explanation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> I also cant understand why some people in here dont believe in the possibility that it could be a new car testing, manufacturers do that all the time for the exact reasons Uberwagon has mentioned.

fantomas76
05-11-2005, 04:26 PM
...Yes, but Enzo is a strictly limited billionaire car as its predecessors. Infact, the test mule for the Enzo was a stretched 348 (even not a 355...). Which Enzo do you think they've taken for it? That one directly from the museum? Production ended in July 2004 and there are traces of all the Enzos, registered by serial numbers. The 400th car is impossible to think it was build. Anyway, using an Enzo to build a testmule for the next top range car is the worst way to keep the project hidden and this is the main intention of all the manifacturers (and the main fascinating reason why we look at the testmule too) when they decide to place a new car into a totally different old one.<p>The 308 Millechiodi wasn't a GTO testmule.<br>The GTO Evoluzione wasn't an F40 testmule.<br>No F40 were been used to build an F50 testmule.<br>The F50 GT wasn't an Enzo testmule.<br>No F50 were been used to build an Enzo testmule.<p>I'm not saying that you are wrong Uberwagon (I wrote the same things in an old thread some times ago!), but we are talking about a very special car and looking deeply in the past, we have to be very suspicious.

~*~STORM~*~
05-11-2005, 06:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>fantomas76</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Production ended in July 2004 and there are traces of all the Enzos, registered by serial numbers. The 400th car is impossible to think it was build.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ummmm...<p>There is a 400th enzo. It was built for the Tsunami charity thing.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

arese
05-12-2005, 04:59 AM
This car has a private owner, who wants to participate with the car in a motorsports event. Ferrari had modified the car to his specifications. It is not a mule for a future Enzo replacement.

Uberwagon
05-12-2005, 09:40 AM
I only comment from a engineering development standpoint: Prototypes and pre-production cars are often kept for further development and expiramental engineering. The Enzo is an ideal platform on which to test a next-gen engine, suspension, or other system. It is an extremely well developed and refined vehicle which affords a high benchmark of performance on which to evolve technology. It very well could be a customer car, sure (the body appears very well finished). But they did produce more than 399 (preproduction and prototypes) and to my eyes, it does not appear to be a racing development project.<p>I think Autoweek is fairly credible in their journalism (generally corroborating twice before publishing) and they seem to offer a similar take:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102367" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102367</A><p>In any case, I'll reiterate that without an inside informant or more information (visual or otherwise), it seems impossible to proclaim with such certainty what this vehicle's purpose is. Regardless, I think we can agree that the next generation ("Enzo II", "F70", whatever) will surely blow all of our minds!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Uberwagon at 9:46 AM 5/12/2005</i>

Vector
05-12-2005, 01:50 PM
Ferrari made a 400th Enzo for the Tsunami benefit? Wow. That is so damn cool. I read that Michael Schumacher donated something like $7 million cash to help immediately after. That is pure class in my book. <p>Excellent explanation of prototypes, Uberwagon! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Would you mind a Q&A in another thread on this topic?<p>I think it's possible that this could be a customer car being modified (Someone just spent a ton for Lotus to build a one-off Exige racer) but this does not look like a racing development project at all. The pics show it leaning too much (even an Enzo isn't quite ready for competition) and the aero bit on the tail doesn't seem to fit any particular class regs that I can think of. <p>Tough call. If I were betting, I'd probably put my lira on "prototype." But it's impossible to be sure with just those pics.

sc43018
05-16-2005, 04:48 PM
who is that arabian oil-tycoon who has the largest and most exotic car collection in the world? i heard somewhere that ferrari was building a convertible enzo just for him, could this car be for him, or someone like him? that is what it sounds like..... for the right amount of money, i think ferrari would do anything

Uberwagon
05-16-2005, 05:36 PM
The Sultan of Brunei. Yes, Ferrari has been known to ask "how high?" when rich customers say "jump." <p>Those 600 Imola spyshots revealed this weekend showed a different body than the previous pics, which apparently was a straight-up shortened 612 Scaglietti. Same thing with early 430's using 360 bodies. I think this is typical of Ferrari. The difference in this Enzo's case is that it's so low volume. Since it was such low volume, they may have no choice but to use a preproduction Enzo for the next gen's development. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

~*~STORM~*~
05-16-2005, 08:39 PM
The sultan of brunei definately has atleast one 456GT station wagon.. i said 'atleast' because there are rumours he has more than 2! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>check it out <A HREF="http://ferrari.bg2.org/img/456_GT_Kombi.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://ferrari.bg2.org/img/456_GT_Kombi.jpg</A><p>Thats actually the fastes shooting brake and it still looks amazing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I would love to be friends with him <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
05-17-2005, 06:37 AM
yep, that 456GT wagon was built for him.<br>Ferrari made 7 of those. 6 belong to Sultan of Brunei <p>But the last 7th one...well<br>It was on sale in UK about 2 years ago. for a quite high price

Santeno
05-17-2005, 07:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Sultan of Brunei. Yes, Ferrari has been known to ask "how high?" when rich customers say "jump." </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not just any rich customer, only the special ones. the funny thing is that the sultan of brunei is always being mentioned as the purchaser of all these cars. While that's true to an extent, the real buyers of all these crazy automobniles were in large part (and in one case still is) the sultan's brother and the sultan's son. There is a very interesting article I read once which describes how orders from brunei were in large part responsible for keeping companies like Rolls Royce (and bentley) and ferrari afloat during the 80's and 90's. The volume of yearly orders and the price pauid for special commisions was such that these companies where able to survive and thrive, largely as a result of being subsidised by Brunei. That is the main reason why these companies jump through all the hoops they jump through to accomodate them.

fantomas76
06-15-2005, 05:35 AM
It's official. As I said, no test mule for the next generation Enzo. Ferrari FXX is a special customer car. Only 20 will be built and their destination is a special private testing and racing program.

gone with the wind
06-15-2005, 09:43 AM
<b><FONT COLOR="red"><FONT SIZE="10">Ferrari FXX</FONT></FONT></b><br><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/85052/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...kip=0</A><p>wfg, Hans.

Redline
06-15-2005, 10:11 AM
So this super Enzo isn't a street car at all, its just this test car? Seems odd that no one picked up on it until Ferrari shows it, but its a good idea.

kuules
06-15-2005, 10:36 AM
Big photos:<p><A HREF="http://img263.echo.cx/my.php?image=image15so.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img263.echo.cx/img263/779/image15so.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img263.echo.cx/my.php?image=image21dk.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img263.echo.cx/img263/9223/image21dk.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img263.echo.cx/my.php?image=image39nb.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img263.echo.cx/img263/5636/image39nb.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img263.echo.cx/my.php?image=image48yf.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img263.echo.cx/img263/6070/image48yf.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

Redline
06-15-2005, 12:12 PM
I just noticed the tailpipe taillights, thats a nice touch. I wish the Enzo had this front end though. It would be interesting to see Ferrari enter this into a major race, I doubt they'll do it though.

against the wall
06-15-2005, 12:30 PM
i never used to think that the mc12 was a rebadged enzo cuz i didnt think they looked the same. now i really notice the similarity in the 2

odic
06-15-2005, 01:16 PM
IMO rear spoiler is been inspired on Pagani Zonda (if Zonda's spoiler isn't based on other cars)<p>

Hanzjepanzje
06-16-2005, 08:19 AM
Well I've registered specially for this thread. The Enzo prototype was called F60 and FX by the media. It's really very understandable that they would call it the F60 because all hypercars that Ferrari introduced in the last decades were cars produced to cellebrate yet another 10 years of Ferrari. The F50 came two years early (1995) to be the official "50 years of Ferrari car"but it still was. Logically the media assumed this was the F60. Jeremy Clarkson calls it the F60, but he's wrong. Anyway when the Enzo was launched, Ferrari told the media that this was actually the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari (as it is called officially). This FXX however is an 800bhp Enzo with a limited production of 20 which isn't produced for road OR the racetrack, but for a single purpouse: to involve Loyal Ferrari customers in teh testing of new technologies. Ferrari will treat this input as worthy as that of Michal Schumacher, Barrichello and all the official testdrivers. It's a chance for Customers to share their ideas about this technology from the FXX and Ferrari will use it for the designing of future GT cars. On the whole F60 item, I think Ferrari will launch an all new limited car in 2007 which they will call the F60. It's 5 years between Enzo's launch (2002) and the F60 (2007) and that's more than enough not to kill the Enzo's value.

Santeno
06-16-2005, 09:41 AM
please continue this discussion on the FFX thread in the New Cars section. Thanks.