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thefarm
01-18-2005, 01:47 AM
Original Thread : <A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1091632994" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....32994</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lancevance</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_31/car_portal_pic_15873_t.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>dont know if theres a thread already on this? can someone scan/ send some pics of this Lotus in if they can please</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>Here is Autoexpress' article regarding this car:</b><p><i>NEW LOTUS GT<p>World exclusive pictures in this week's mag prove Lotus is working on a new GT - and it's set to take on the Noble M12. The mag's spies caught the stunning newcomer testing near the company's headquarters in Hethel, Norfolk <p>Bosses at Lotus say the car is currently a prototype, but is being seriously considered for a showroom debut. Our sources have hinted that the green light for production is merely a formality, and that the machine could easily be on sale in the UK as soon as 2006. <p>The manufacturer has already taken on an extra 100 employees recently, chiefly to satisfy increased demand for the Elise both at home and abroad - but it's likely that an all-new model could mean even more jobs being created. The car, which could see the famous Excel or Elite names making a comeback, will slot into the Lotus range above the Elise, and is tipped to weigh in at around the 40,000 mark. <p>A 2+2 version of the newcomer is also being considered, with a larger cabin allowing for two occasional seats in the rear. If this machine gets the go-ahead, it will be the first four-seater Lotus has produced since the 1984 Excel. <p>A source told us: "There's a huge amount of excitement surrounding the project. Officially, the machine is a concept in development. <p>"This is not a replacement for the Elise, but a car that offers touring capability and will be positioned above it in the market." The model will feature a sporty new chassis, using the same bonded aluminium structure as the Elise, and will come with a mid-mounted engine. <p>The company has yet to finalise what the definitive powerplant will be but, as with the Elise, it's likely to be sourced from Toyota, as the two manufacturers have a strong working relationship. Insiders have hinted that the glassfibre-bodied GT is set to offer around 300bhp, and will be fitted with a close-ratio six-speed manual transmission.<p>But while it will be seen as a sporting car, the newcomer will be more geared up for touring than track action. The mag's spy shots show how it will be significantly wider than the Elise, giving a more comfortable and spacious interior. The revolutionary model will also aim to be the most practical Lotus since the last Elite went out of production back in 1991, with a genuinely roomy luggage bay at the rear, behind the engine cover. <p>Company engineers are believed to be working on a unique suspension set-up for the car, with softer spring rates than those on the Elise and an all-new wishbone arrangement at the front. But that's not to say the GT won't have the fine handling for which Lotus has become renowned over the years - insiders have hinted that the wide track will give it even more grip than the already limpet-like Elise. <p>The secret model coincides with the firm's ambitious plans to expand into new markets around the globe. "We want it to be a world car, as we have stated in the past," revealed our source. "It will take on America and other markets where we want the brand to grow." <p>Lotus is already expanding in the US, after the latest-generation Elise was granted a temporary exemption from stringent crash test legislation that would otherwise have made it impossible to sell the model in the States. Although law makers recognise that the Lotus is a safe vehicle, the regulations declare that all cars sold in the country must have bumpers of a certain depth - as it stands, the Elise doesn't comply, although negotiations are currently underway to get the issue resolved. <p>The British company has been absent from the American market since the Esprit went out of production earlier this year. However, it is now looking to expand its dealer network to distribute 3,000 cars annually on the other side of the Atlantic. The new GT is expected to boost sales even further, with as many as 5,000 examples tipped to be exported every year. </i></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Zizo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Found at UK Patent Registry<p><IMG SRC="http://forum.autohoje.com//uploaded/zizo/200492172514_lotus.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forum.autohoje.com//uploaded/zizo/200492172534_lotus2.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forum.autohoje.com//uploaded/zizo/200492172552_lotus3.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forum.autohoje.com//uploaded/zizo/200492172612_lotus4.JPG" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://forum.autohoje.com//uploaded/zizo/200492172630_lotus5.JPG" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nahar79</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Info from UK Patent Office :<p><A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/formexec?DMW_INPUTFORM=tpo/biblio&DMW_SEARCH_TEXT=3018262&PREVIOUS_FORM=BROWSE&PREVIOUS_SEARCH_FORM=NULL&BROWSER_TYPE=ie4" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs...E=ie4</A><p>Seems that the design is quite new since it has just been registered. It may suggest that this model will be produced, but the question is whether it's a Lotus or a Proton.<p>Proton is planning for an Elise-based sportscar so this design could be it.</TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carbon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lotus registers new design with the Patent Office.<br>for that the car should be with a totaly new design.<p><br><A HREF="http://www.pistonheads.com/lotus/default.asp?storyId=9025" TARGET="_blank">http://www.pistonheads.com/lot...=9025</A><p>Patent Office<p><A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/formexec?DMW_INPUTFORM=tpo/biblio&DMW_SEARCH_TEXT=3018262&PREVIOUS_FORM=BROWSE&PREVIOUS_SEARCH_FORM=NULL&BROWSER_TYPE=ie4" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs...E=ie4</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carbon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>New article from Autocar:</b><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.com/Car/Lotus/181044125158.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Despite being officially played down, work on the new Elise-based Lotus GT coup  its planned 30k Porsche Boxster rival  continues at top speed. This spy shot shows a lightly-disguised prototype undergoing tests in the UK.<p>As well as pounding the roads of East Anglia, the GT is also said to be in final stages of component destruction testing at secret facilities in the UK. Sources say that Lotus engineers are currently running at least six prototypes.<p>Autocar can also reveal that the project is known internally as Sepang, and that there is likely to be a mildly modified version sold under the Proton badge. This magazine revealed the project on 14 September, when pictures of a full-size styling model were uncovered after the company registered the design.<p>Lotus would only admit that it was considering a car that has more touring than track ability, and that it would be of a higher specification than the Exige or Elise. It added that the car would be sold across the globe and that the engine was still under consideration.<p>The car caught here seems to show a rear end with a noticeably wider track than an Elise or an Exige, almost certainly in an attempt to accommodate a six-cylinder engine. Although the Elise could take a Rover KV6 engine, the original project never progressed beyond the experimental stage.<p>This car, however, is designed to be more refined and more spacious, with a longer wheelbase, and easier to get into  the Elises high sill design has been reduced. A smoother and quieter six-pot engine would be desirable to make the most of the extra refinement. A Toyota unit  which would easily pass US emission regulations  is the current favourite, if Lotus can make the figures for an expensive motor add up.<p>One source says that Proton is mulling over plans to move some of the component manufacturing back to Malaysia, although final assembly would still take place in the UK.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://www.na2005.info/lotus2plus2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> Does any one knows when this car will be launched? what they will call it? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:58 AM 1/18/2005</i>

KaRaceR
01-18-2005, 02:38 AM
that looks nice man more simple then previous lotus,<br>i dont know when it will be released though

hollc004
01-18-2005, 11:49 AM
Thats really nice but In red it reminds me soooo much of a ferrari 360. I really like it and I think its a stuning car. I like the headlights alothough I would re-shape the edge of the light on the inside of it.

1966_GTO_
01-18-2005, 03:46 PM
I really like this. It looks pure Lotus but is different than anything they are producing. Very nice.

DoMiNo
01-18-2005, 05:25 PM
To me this is pretty uninspiring... hints of Honda in the design, and the greenhouse is a little ponderous. I suppose it's hard to pin down a design identity for Lotus, but at least the Elise is a little more curvaceous... a little more exciting.

PlatForm
01-20-2005, 02:36 PM
this car probably will be known as Proton Putra on Malaysian road in 2007 and maybe will be produce in Tg. Malim, Malaysia for Malaysian and ASEAN markets.<p>nice car.. new headlight and looks more sporty than the current Elise..<br>but i hate the side mirror since i looked the Lotus Elise,why dont they change the side mirror???...its ugly for me!!..for new Coupe 2+2,i suggest they should change it..its ugly!!

Superfresa
01-20-2005, 04:19 PM
Lovely car! looks exhilerating. Pity Lotus isn't a more International brand (or is it?)

DoMiNo
01-20-2005, 04:46 PM
Honestly, how does Lotus survive? Do they contract out a lot of their engineering know-how? Because the Elise/Exige can't possibly keep that company afloat.

Santeno
01-21-2005, 10:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly, how does Lotus survive? Do they contract out a lot of their engineering know-how? Because the Elise/Exige can't possibly keep that company afloat.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes they do, they do quite a bit of engineering consultancy.

carrera4
02-01-2005, 08:39 AM
from autoweek.com<p><i>...officially the project remains “under consideration,” but this trimmed-out mule is eerily identical to a design published in U.K. Patent Office journals last fall.<br>...<br>The car’s aluminum chassis, dubbed the Versatile Vehicle Architecture, also underpins the larger Esprit. The design is so flexible that front- and mid-engine models can be built off the same chassis.<p>Aimed at Porsche’s new Boxster coupe, this model is conceived as a more comfortable touring GT. Though likely to arrive as a Lotus, it could also be sold through Proton dealers, the Malaysian carmaker that owns Lotus.<p>...</i><p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/images/news/101720" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/0207/lotusspy_rear.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2005/0207/lotusspy_side.jpg" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
02-02-2005, 03:48 PM
Doesn't look as Lotus is too good at disguising cars...

RS
02-02-2005, 04:00 PM
the thin strips only attract attention istead of disguising.<p>Anyway, I was wondering where the engine would go... <br>I mean, is there really enough space for 2 seats and the engine in the rear? Porsche 911 style?

PlatForm
02-04-2005, 04:55 AM
this Lotus 2+2 GT is a stretch model (long wheel-base) based on Lotus Elise.. so,there's enough room to fit 2 extra passengers at the rear seat.. it will powered by Toyota engine.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

carrera4
02-04-2005, 05:21 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=213390" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocarmagazine.co....13390</A><p><i>A lightly disguised prototype for Lotus and Proton’s £30,000 sports GT has taken to the roads around Hethel, the Norfolk sports car maker’s HQ. Officially, the project for a mid-size Lotus is still ‘under consideration’, but this prototype looks well finished and is very close to the look of the design registered with the Patent Office by Lotus last year.<p>... Lotus maintains the car is ‘still very much a feasibility study’. The mid-size sports car is intended as a softer, more refined and comfortable GT than the track-focused Elise.<p>Bigger and wider than an Elise and riding on a longer wheelbase, the coupé would provide a cheaper alternative to Porsche’s new Boxster-based coupé, as well as a potential Audi TT rival.<p>One key decision still to be made is whether to equip the GT with rear seats. Although these would help distance it from the Elise, Lotus is worried that access would be so tight that the seats would be useless.<p>Also to be decided is the mid-mounted powerplant, although several engines are understood to be in the running, including four-cylinder and V6 Toyota units. <br>...<br> Some insiders say that new model development at Lotus has slowed to a crawl, despite owner Proton earmarking millions of pounds for new cars, owing to cost-cutting: nearly 20 per cent of Lotus’s engineers were laid off last year.<p>But a statement from new managing director Clive Dopson, who was promoted from manufacturing director last week, said otherwise. ‘Work on the new Esprit is continuing,’ Dopson said. ‘We are currently building nearly 5000 cars a year, but in the next few years we will be increasing this figure with the addition of a fresh range of vehicles, including a new mid-engined supercar.’<p><b>The GT and Esprit are based on the same aluminium Versatile Vehicle Architecture (VVA) platform, allowing both front- and mid-engined models to be built on the structure</b>.</i><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk//Car/Lotus/Esprit/2255751550.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Lotus/Esprit/2255758131.jpg" BORDER="0">

PlatForm
02-06-2005, 02:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GT and Esprit are based on the same aluminium Versatile Vehicle Architecture (VVA) platform, allowing both front- and mid-engined models to be built on the structure</b>.</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>aluminium body??...wow!!.. that's cool <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>btw,i heard they going to produce diesel engine for Lotus Elise in 2007..can anyone confirm this news?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

KebabGud
02-06-2005, 06:21 PM
sounds lik bull shi....<br>but lotus is a strange bunch of dudes..<br>it it is true .. i bet there be using the new 180hp Toyota diesel..<br>Lotus and Toyota go way back.. and it is the most powerfull diesel of its type...

PlatForm
02-06-2005, 08:29 PM
KebabGud,they not gonna fit this 2+2 GT with diesel engine,but they will maybe later 3 years from now.<p>but,i think is true Lotus with help of Toyota joint-developed new diesel engine for Lotus. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

r3vilo
02-07-2005, 02:00 PM
weird but more interesting than rx-8

nahar79
02-19-2005, 09:47 AM
Interesting info.<p>The patent for this design has been transferred to Proton.<p><A HREF="http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs-bin/RightSite/formexec?DMW_INPUTFORM=tpo/biblio&DMW_SEARCH_TEXT=3018262&PREVIOUS_FORM=BROWSE&PREVIOUS_SEARCH_FORM=NULL&BROWSER_TYPE=ie4" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb1.patent.gov.uk/rs...E=ie4</A><br>Registration Details : <A HREF="http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/designs?csbdesign=3018262" TARGET="_blank">http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/de...18262</A><br>

Redline
02-19-2005, 11:14 AM
Well, I guess that solves the Proton or Lotus argument.

Santeno
05-19-2005, 09:29 AM
A new rendering from AMS:<p><A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/76/LOTUS-Coupe-final_450.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...0.jpg</A>

PlatForm
05-20-2005, 07:40 AM
nice...but why dont they combined the front window with the roof body??.. this car looks very nicee...especially the bumper..

erzhik
05-20-2005, 10:23 AM
very typical lotus real lights

spwolf
05-21-2005, 05:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PlatForm</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>but,i think is true Lotus with help of Toyota joint-developed new diesel engine for Lotus. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>:-)<p>Although I dont think it will be an Diesel... no reason to go crazy when you can sell all petrol engine version you can produce.

nahar79
05-31-2005, 09:24 AM
<A HREF="http://www.protonclub.com/ForumProCCV4/forum_posts.asp?TID=10601&PN=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.protonclub.com/Foru...&PN=1</A><p>The blurred car is TRM while the car at the back is the Lotus/Proton. Pics taken in Malaysia. As I said it before, I really think that the design is for Proton.<p><A HREF="http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=25419" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zerotohundred.com/n...25419</A><p>Also testing in Malaysia with TRM and SRM.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by nahar79 at 10:28 AM 5/31/2005</i>

iamalittlepepper
06-02-2005, 01:13 PM
<A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=12380" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/n...12380</A><p>News: Proton promises mid-engined sports car<br>02 Jun 05 15:32<br>Proton<br>Malaysian manufacturer Proton is running a three-day workshop for its global distributors in Norwich this week, aimed at promoting the Gen-2 small family car and also showcasing the other brands it owns: namely, British sports car manufacturer Lotus, as well as the Italian motorcycle companies MV Agusta, Husqvarna and Caqiva. Regarding car sales, Proton says it plans to double export figures by expanding its global network to sell its new generation of vehicles, and it has set a target of selling 100,000 cars a year globally by 2008. This is some leap from exports of just 17,000 cars in 2004. Proton CEO Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Ariff said yesterday: "What is important for our distributors and dealers to realize is that Proton today is not a singular brand but comprises five brands to provide a whole suite of offerings to the consumer, from Proton cars for the mass and niche markets, to Lotus sports cars, and Italian motorcycles."<p>Currently selling cars in 18 countries - with the UK, Australia and the Middle East accounting for most exports - Proton plans to sell in 36 countries by the end of the year, and will expand its rejuvenated, self-developed range with the launch of two more compact five-door hatchbacks later this year (the TRM city car and SRM supermini). It also promises "a mid-engined lightweight sports car" - developed, no doubt, by Lotus, though to be offered at Proton prices. We await more news of this with interest... <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nahar79</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.protonclub.com/ForumProCCV4/forum_posts.asp?TID=10601&PN=1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.protonclub.com/Foru...&PN=1</A><p>The blurred car is TRM while the car at the back is the Lotus/Proton. Pics taken in Malaysia. As I said it before, I really think that the design is for Proton.<p><A HREF="http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=25419" TARGET="_blank">http://www.zerotohundred.com/n...25419</A><p>Also testing in Malaysia with TRM and SRM.<p><br><i>Modified by nahar79 at 10:28 AM 5/31/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE>

Santeno
07-08-2005, 08:09 AM
New Article from AutoExpress (see if anyone can find the pics):<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AutoExpress</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>Lotus GT's Light Fantastic</u><br> <br>Exclusive images in this week's magazine reveal Lotus's new coupé undergoing testing. <p>Beneath its composite bodywork, the £40,000 coupé - which is expected to debut at next March's Geneva Motor Show - uses an all-alloy chassis dubbed Versatile Vehicle Architecture. <p>The model slots between the Exige and upcoming Esprit, and looks set to revive either the Elite or Excel names. Both wider and longer than the Elise, the 1,100kg newcomer will offer 2+2 seating and a generous luggage area behind the mid-mounted motor. <p>There's no official word yet on the coupé's engine, but sources claim that Lotus will continue its relationship with Toyota. This means the new car could use either the 3.0-litre V6 from the Lexus RX300 or the new 3.5-litre V6 from the IS350. Either way, the powerplant will be heavily tweaked by Lotus engineers to produce at least 300bhp. Handling is sure to be excellent, but the double wishbone suspension will be tuned for comfort, in keeping with the car's grand touring aspirations. <p>The cabin is likely to feature luxuries such as climate control, leather trim, a top-quality stereo system and figure-hugging seats as standard. Production will take place at Lotus' headquarters in Hethel, Norfolk, and insiders predict that 5,000 models will head to the US alone. <p>This will push the plant to full capacity, and means <b><u>the new Esprit - due for launch in 2007 - will be assembled in Malaysia</u></b> home of Lotus' owner Proton.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>

thefarm
07-08-2005, 08:09 PM
I found other article:<p><B>Lotus Readies New Coupe  and It's Coming to America<br>Date Posted 07-08-2005 </B><br>HETHEL, England  Lotus is testing a new 2+2 coupe that will fit between the current lightweight two-seat Elise and Exige models and the new Esprit supercar, due in 2007.<p>The car, expected to revive either the Elite or Excel nameplate, which will be priced around $70,000, has a composite body and an aluminum chassis. It's wider and longer than the Elise, but has the same midengine layout as the small Lotus models.<p>There's no word on the engine the new car will use, but Lotus already sources engines from Toyota, so a 3.0-liter or 3.5-liter Toyota V6 is a distinct possibility. The new addition will probably make its public debut at next year's Geneva show.<p>This announcement explains why Lotus' parent, Proton, made the controversial decision to build the new Esprit in Malaysia rather than at Lotus' traditional base in England. It will need all its capacity in the U.K. to build the new car, which it plans to sell worldwide. Around 5,000 examples a year are expected to be exported to the U.S.<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106367" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...06367</A><p>

PlatForm
07-09-2005, 04:46 AM
<br>its a good news for Lotus. Hope they will be back on track with lots of astonishing cars. Even im a Malaysian, still i dont agree with the parent company, Proton to move the new Esprit production to Malaysia.. im aware about the quality of the cars made by Proton in Malaysia.<p>But if Proton could maintain the quality of Lotus products, that will be fine.<br>

fantomas76
07-16-2005, 07:44 AM
<A HREF="http://www.drivingitalia.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=33079" TARGET="_blank">http://www.drivingitalia.net/f...33079</A><p>new pics by desmosedici from DrivingItalia.net forum

Redline
07-16-2005, 10:41 AM
Wow. That looks incredible. I can't wait to see the production version of this.

RikfromBelgium
07-16-2005, 11:24 AM
great pictures, thx<br>looks amazing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
07-16-2005, 12:21 PM
Here are the links to the pics for all of you that dont wanna scroll through that Italian forum:<p><A HREF="http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4478/cidfoto707be.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img339.imageshack.us/im...e.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9736/cidfoto746cr.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img339.imageshack.us/im...r.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/135/cidfoto673ho.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img278.imageshack.us/im...o.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/9630/cidfoto529bs.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img278.imageshack.us/im...s.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/61/cidfoto634jg.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img278.imageshack.us/im...g.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/736/cidfoto614sa.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img278.imageshack.us/im...a.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/4663/cidfoto627fo.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img278.imageshack.us/im...o.jpg</A><p>Whoever took those is one lucky bastard..and the car looks hot by the way.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
07-16-2005, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the pics, the car does look great. too bad others cars are parked around it.

taskbearer
07-16-2005, 12:39 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> Oh sexy Mama!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>From what I've heard the car is coming with a tuned version of the Lexus is350 engine with more than 300hp and a weight around 1000kg. Thats gonna be one hell of a car.

nahar79
07-23-2005, 02:22 AM
Autocar had an article about the new Lotus. Just click at the pics at this link :<p><A HREF="http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/18/proton-ultimate-lotus-europa" TARGET="_blank">http://paultan.org/archives/20...uropa</A>/

PlatForm
07-23-2005, 07:57 AM
yes,i agree with the statement..<p>people prefer to buy expensive Lotus than cheap Proton.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

iamalittlepepper
07-24-2005, 02:06 AM
I thought this will be a Proton car? I mean there was all that talk that Hethel is at capacity already..<p>I think Lotus is a lot like other "automotive consultancy" like Magna or Pinanfarina.. in the sense that they work with other manufacturers as consultants. I thought Lotus has been doing a lot of work with the Koreans and even GM?

wallabyguy
07-24-2005, 06:03 AM
My guess is that this is the Proton version. If you look at the head and tail lamps and design touches, it definitely fits in with the rest of the Proton family. I can post a link to another forum which argues the point.<p>Group Lotus PLC (engineering and manufacturing) does a great deal of consulting work for the industry. Some of their recent projects include the GM ecotec engine, Jaguar's XJ8 and Aston Martin's Aluminum Chassis and the next Nissan GT-R.

thefarm
07-27-2005, 06:41 PM
Lotus about to launch most important model since Elise<br>27th July 2005<p>Lotus is poised to announce the launch of its most important new model since the Elise, reports the Eastern Daily Press, published near Lotus Norwich HQ.<p>The paper says the new car is expected to be called the Europa, and is designed like its mid-engine 1969-75 namesake to achieve higher volumes than the Elise and attract a different type of car buyer, after more comfort and luggage space, while still based on the Elise platform.<p>Lotus confirmed ot the paper that the car is due to be announced in the next few days - but refused to reveal its name. It is expected to be priced around 30,000.<p>Lotus is also planning to launch a replacement for the much larger Esprit in around 18 months, but while the Europa and other Elise derivatives will be assembled at Hethel near Norwich, the Esprit replacement will reportedly be built in Malaysia by Lotus Group parent Proton. (Eastern Daily Press)<p><A HREF="http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/industry_news/27-07-05_3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/...-05_3</A><p><br>

knihc2008
07-27-2005, 06:53 PM
i heard this car, called the europa, would be the last euro-only lotus (aka america would NOT be getting it). i read it in one of them brit magazines when i was in europe.. autocar or CAR.<p>apparently it's just a hardtop version of the elise?

iamalittlepepper
08-01-2005, 02:30 AM
There is a hardtop version called Exige already!?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i heard this car, called the europa, would be the last euro-only lotus (aka america would NOT be getting it). i read it in one of them brit magazines when i was in europe.. autocar or CAR.<p>apparently it's just a hardtop version of the elise?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Santeno
08-01-2005, 06:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i heard this car, called the europa, would be the last euro-only lotus (aka america would NOT be getting it). i read it in one of them brit magazines when i was in europe.. autocar or CAR.<p>apparently it's just a hardtop version of the elise?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Lotus has already had a model called Europa, and with the exception of the Elan, this company is not in the habit of repeating names, so I would take that report of the name with a grain of salt for now. Also, this car is based on a modified elise platform, but it is not just an elise with a roof. as was said earlier the hard-top version of the elise (which includes noticeably mechanical enhancements) is the exige. This car is bigger than the elise and unlike that car this is supposed to be a 2+2 (granted, the rear seats will probably be only good for packages).

thefarm
08-02-2005, 06:26 PM
<B>WORLD SCOOP: It's the Lotus Europa by John Oxley </B><br>02/08/2005 06:59 <br>South Africa could become one of the first countries in the world to get the new Lotus 2+2 coupe. And we can reveal that the superfast machine will be very competitively priced, and will revive the Europa badge.<p> <br> <br> <br> <p>Lotus insiders told me last week that the new car will be made in Malaysia by holding company Proton, and will be sold as a Proton in domestic markets.<p>This will make it the first Lotus to be built outside the UK, but I was assured British jobs will not be affected as other models in the Lotus range will continue in production in Norfolk.<p>And Lotus will once more use a General Motors power plant. This echoes the past where the company used a Lotus-modified Vauxhall/Opel engine in its early Esprit models.<p>The Esprit two-seater supercar was produced between 1976 and 2000, the last cars being powered by a 3.5-litre V8.<p> <p>The Europa will have the Opel/Vauxhall four-cylinder 2-litre turbo engine which puts out 147 kW in standard trim. <p>Super performance<p>However, some versions of the Lotus Europa may get the 176 kW Opel OPC motor, which could give the sub-1 000 kg car 0 to 100 km/h acceleration in the 5 seconds bracket, with a top speed of 250 km/h plus.<p>Although built on a lengthened version of the all-aluminium chassis used on the Lotus Elise two-seater sports car, the Europa will have completely new bodywork, with much smoother styling in keeping with its broader appeal.<p>Lengthening and widening the chassis will also allow the mid-engined car to have reclining front seats and more luggage space, as well as room for two occasional passengers in the back. <p>Changes to the high sill design, plus wide-opening doors, will allow easier access.<p> <p>A novel feature is that the engine will be on display through the steeply-sloping rear window.<p>Although pricing for South Africa has not yet been finalised, it is hoped Malaysian production will allow the car to be imported into SA at around the same price - or possibly even less - than the R480 000 of the Elise 111R because of exchange rate advantages.<p>No dates yet for introduction of the car.<p>Lotus previously produced the Europa, its first mid-engined production car, from 1967, with fibre-glass bodywork and a tuned Renault 1.5-litre engine.<br>The car was well accepted, with tremendous handling, and later versions got the 1 558 cc Lotus Twin Cam engine.<p>Production ended in 1974 after almost 9 000 cars had been made. <p> <br>Related Articles <br>- Lotus is back! <br> <br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/0,,1369-1372_1747140,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Whee....html</A>

PlatForm
08-03-2005, 12:59 AM
it's true Proton will built this Lotus 2+2 in Malaysia but will rebadged as Proton. but i hope it will never called as Proton, i prefer a 'Lotus'. lets hope everything will be fine and Proton could increase its production quality,so it wont affect Lotus brand.

iamalittlepepper
08-03-2005, 01:58 AM
There is nothing they can do.. Hethel is on its limit.. new factory in England is a huge investment.. Elise and Exige has a 12 months waiting list.. I hope Proton will build the Lotis 2+2 in Malayasia to get rid of the initial engineering kinks and move at least some version of the production to England when the capacity / resource is there to expand.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PlatForm</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's true Proton will built this Lotus 2+2 in Malaysia but will rebadged as Proton. but i hope it will never called as Proton, i prefer a 'Lotus'. lets hope everything will be fine and Proton could increase its production quality,so it wont affect Lotus brand.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wallabyguy
08-03-2005, 07:26 AM
Santeno,<p>You forgot the Elite (late 50's-early 60's and again from mid 70's to early 80's)<p>The car caught in all th spy pics has Proton design features. the tail lamps and head lamps as well as the side window shape recall the rest of the Proton line. Could this car be rebadged as a Lotus outside of Malaysia? Sure. I think what we are seeing is a Proton version of the Elise not "Europa". I could be wrong. <p>BTW, the 907 engine (used in the S1 Esprit) was NOT a GM unit. Initial prototypes used the GM block for testing but the final unit was all Lotus. I have a mid 70's Elite with one and can attest to it's old fashion lotus build quality.

iamalittlepepper
08-04-2005, 09:56 AM
never mind was just a repeat of the article above.<p><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=12754" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/n...12754</A>

PlatForm
08-05-2005, 03:38 AM
Proton design?? Proton just design Gen.2,Savvy and Waja. but im sure Proton design in this new Lotus too little.

wallabyguy
08-05-2005, 11:06 AM
Look at the way the headlamps cut into the bumper. The "character lines" at the rear mimic the new Protons tail lamps. The shape of the rear windo also mimic the newer Proton's in shape. Proton has also officially announced it's intentions to offer a halo mid-engined car for asian consumption. See this thread for more info:<p><A HREF="http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13814&page=3&pp=20&highlight=europa" TARGET="_blank">http://www.elisetalk.com/forum...uropa</A><p>scroll to mid page

CosworthKid
08-09-2005, 04:53 AM
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<i>Modified by CosworthKid at 5:02 AM 8/9/2005</i>

ToddBMW
08-11-2005, 01:33 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autointernationaal.nl/HTML_frames/start/nieuws.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autointernationaal.....html</A> Then the thrid arcticle from above. Looks very nice!

DSC-OFF
11-15-2005, 07:51 AM
<IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/1857f72f.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/Jesse/d63cffb7.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: CAR<br> <br>

PlatForm
11-15-2005, 11:07 AM
as far as i know,<p>Proton ex-CEO did mention that this project called "Sepang" will be based-on Elise. It will be in the global market under Lotus brand but in Malaysia will be rebadged as Proton.Maybe for ASEAN market will be under Proton badge.<p>But the production will be in UK,but im not sure for Malaysia/ASEAN market.