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jinnah
01-07-2005, 04:21 PM
Any news on the next Land Cruiser guys? It is time for a replacement. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

anonms
01-07-2005, 08:37 PM
I think it's going to be a 2007 (Toyota's 50th in the US) or 2008 (Land Criuser's 50th in US) model since either of those two makes the most sense.

whipster
01-08-2005, 05:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jinnah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is time for a replacement. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't exaggerate, current Land Cruiser still looks good and fresh... I don't think it should be replaced yet, especially as it was face-lifted recently.

Top Secret
01-08-2005, 05:32 AM
If it is replaced soon, I think it should resemble the Toyota Prado to a degree - that styling has been a big hit everywhere.

spwolf
01-08-2005, 03:21 PM
Nobody knows much about it yet, so it is not that soon. There has been an facelift at the end of 2002.<p>They are going to have to do something special with that one since Prado is soooo good.

Naga Royal Guard
01-08-2005, 04:09 PM
if you compare an 04 Land Cruiser to a 97 or 98, theres so much new stuff ( TCM, Variable rat steering, Night vision, to name a few); the vehicle basically has been redesigned<p>the new LC will definately have some military roots w/ its chassis as the current one does

geary
01-08-2005, 11:48 PM
Yeah, well the 02' facelift was barely anything. I know here the model lineup changed, there was the GXV's V8 and a few cosmetic diffs.

spwolf
01-09-2005, 03:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>geary</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, well the 02' facelift was barely anything. I know here the model lineup changed, there was the GXV's V8 and a few cosmetic diffs.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>it was significant update, however little was changed in apperance... There should be an update soon as well, an facelift is supposed to be shown for LX so LC will get one as well...

scorpio14
01-10-2005, 12:12 AM
Yeah they need a BIG facelift (like the Nissan Patrol got) and hopefully this time it seperates the LX and LC more....with the All-New models coming in 2006-07...<p>ALSO i think they should put the 4.7L VVTi V8 they put in the American SUVs in the LX and LC....coz the really need them....even the Toyota Prado out powers them (170kW vrs 179kW)<p>Well the LC is selling crazily here wit only the Prado, Ford Territory and some compact SUVs ahead (which are smaller, faster and cheaper) soo its doing well...<p>

bolita
01-10-2005, 08:59 AM
Current LC100 was laucnhed as a 98 MY so I assume that the next LC will appear in 2006 as a 2007 the soonest...<p>Shouldn't this be in the rumors forum...???

spwolf
01-10-2005, 09:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Current LC100 was laucnhed as a 98 MY so I assume that the next LC will appear in 2006 as a 2007 the soonest...<p>Shouldn't this be in the rumors forum...???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes it should be... I dont think it will be as soon as 2006 since it is not an priority right now for T. Then again, we gonna see the facelifted car soon so this thread will have an point to it :-)

jinnah
01-11-2005, 06:43 AM
bolita, you are right, my question should have been in the rumors forum, my mistake, thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-11-2005, 07:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jinnah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bolita, you are right, my question should have been in the rumors forum, my mistake, thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Doesn't have to be....it was just an question<p>As long as discussions are related to the LC, there's no need to go out of your way to create new thread.

scorpio14
01-22-2005, 09:32 PM
<IMG SRC="http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/carcontent/4x4/cover-febLRG.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I read this magazine today at the shops but didnt buy it.....look at the top of the cover here.....2007 Landcruiser...the pic that they got there is a computer generated pic...in the article it says that it'll come out in Japan in January 2007....<p>Engines (from what i remember) are: 4.0L VVTi V6 (from Prado), 4.4L Twin Turbo Diesel V8 (thats right....it says in the article), 4.7L VVTi V8 and the LX470 replacement gets the 5.5L V8...<p>ALSO...the transmissions will be 5speed and 6speed manual and a 6speed Triptonic Automatic.....<p>The new landcruiser will be called 130series (current model is 100series)<p>there is a bigger picture of the computer generated model in the article and the front is similar to the FTX (the grille and lights)<p>thats all i can remember from the Article<p>I'll go buy the magazine when i go past the newsagency and i'll put more of the article in the post....or if any other aussie in this forum has it, maybe they could.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by scorpio14 at 8:47 PM 1/22/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
01-22-2005, 09:48 PM
awesome find scorpio!

geary
01-23-2005, 03:16 AM
Lol, I just flicked through that magazine at the newsagency today. Clumsy me, didn't read the contents or scoop, went straight for the arcticles.<p>Let's face it. There is no need for an upgrade.

scorpio14
02-06-2005, 09:46 PM
Just read the Februaury issue of the Wheels Magazines it mentions in a tiny article that there is a FACELIFT Land Cruiser 100series (Amazon) due this year (I guess the Lexus LX will get one too at the same time).....i also read somewhere that it'll be getting the 4.7L VVTi V8 that the American 4x4s have been gettin recently.....SO i guess this facelift will take the LC to the ALL NEW LC 130series due in 2007....<p>Im guessing 210Kws fa the 4.7L<p>AND hoping 4 BIG changes like the Nissan Patrol got

Dahlis
02-14-2005, 08:34 AM
Amazon?!<br>For me a Amazon is a old Volvo.

bolita
02-14-2005, 11:37 AM
Perhaps they will show the new 130 at the Tokyo Motor Show...

spwolf
02-15-2005, 08:06 AM
"facelift" should be very minor, just engine and few things... Real facelift was for 2003 MY.<p>Engine info makes sense... and jan 2007 makes sense as well. Current 5 cly, old school, diesel in 100 is still pretty nice with 430nm of torque (and it is pretty "old" engine), so new one sounds realistic.

Y2K
06-26-2006, 09:18 PM
Hello,<p>any bady have a photo for the 2007 Land Cruiser please show it here.<p><br>

haji
06-26-2006, 09:24 PM
the 2007 LC is not out yet<br>the 2006 model is here<br><A HREF="http://toyota.jp/landcruiser100/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://toyota.jp/landcruiser100/index.html</A>

y2fsh
06-26-2006, 09:37 PM
Yes Please guys any news or photos of the next generation of Land Cruiser

Gian86
06-26-2006, 10:06 PM
Please be Patent, it will bring official photos around late this year or next year (i think). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

jts
06-27-2006, 12:31 AM
i though this was for 08/09

Gian86
06-27-2006, 02:11 AM
The next Land Cruiser should be coming soon around 06/07 or 08 here because it's 8 years so far since the last new big Land Cruiser came to Japan/Aus but the Euro/American Land Cruiser (Prado) is still new and it should not replaced yet but it could have a facelift soon (Maybe).

Y2K
06-27-2006, 02:46 AM
here you are &gt;&gt;&gt;NewModelHunta&lt;&lt;&lt;<p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.arabuploads.com/photos/30306581.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

StevenZoz
06-27-2006, 04:19 AM
ok... this belongs in the spy-shots section<p>1. because the 07 land cruiser will look the same as the current<br>and <br>2. the facelift won't be around for another year or more.<br>3. that's just an impression, nothing official and impressions belongs in the spyshots thread until we hear anything 'official' from toyota.

mzoltarp
06-27-2006, 05:05 AM
Toyota needs to ditch the fish mouth.

Porschefan
06-27-2006, 05:13 PM
And the world's blandest rear end (in the cgi).

Hornbag
06-29-2006, 05:01 AM
Personally I love that GCI!!! I'd be PROUD to be driven around in a LandCruiser if they made that. Although the headlights are too small, the rest looks wicked. Would be a total transformation, and IMO a much needed one. I like the name 130 Series, if that's what number it will have.

anonms
06-29-2006, 10:45 AM
That looks more like the next Sequioa than the next Land Cruiser.<p><br>Personally, I'm hoping for some cues from the FJC to carry over to the FJ130. Namely the grille/headlamp setup.

Ace of Spades
06-29-2006, 11:58 AM
Personally (having in mind that I know zero about what will happen), I think two little things:<p>- First, the next Land Cruiser wagon should be called (x)J120, because Toyota always adds 20 to the number code in each generation, and the current is (still, 10 years after) the (x)J100. The "normal" (short and long bodies) LC should be the 110 (current model is still 90 since 1994, although it had a huge facelift in 2003).<p>- Second, I doubt that any "normal" LC would have FJ Cruiser styling cues, because it's a niche model in the same vein as VW New Beetle or Chrysler PT Cruiser, and, also, I've heard it's not even based on LC platform, it's based on the 4Runner/Tundra one (I could be wrong bout this, if I am, sorry).<p>P.S: when I say (x)J, the (x) is the engine that each version uses. J is the model code.

caarmike
06-29-2006, 06:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That looks more like the next Sequioa than the next Land Cruiser.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What if the the Land Cruiser replacement and Sequoia replacement are the same model? I know it wouldn't make sense from a traditional standpoint but it would really simplify Toyota's North American SUV lineup.

Naga Royal Guard
06-29-2006, 06:43 PM
it has been long rumored that the Land Cruiser will not return to North America after the current generation dies

anonms
06-29-2006, 06:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Berlango205</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- First, the next Land Cruiser wagon should be called (x)J120, because Toyota always adds 20 to the number code in each generation, and the current is (still, 10 years after) the (x)J100. The "normal" (short and long bodies) LC should be the 110 (current model is still 90 since 1994, although it had a huge facelift in 2003).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Prado/GX is the FJ120. I guess Toyota decided to deviate from the usual numbering sustem.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Berlango205</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- Second, I doubt that any "normal" LC would have FJ Cruiser styling cues, because it's a niche model in the same vein as VW New Beetle or Chrysler PT Cruiser, and, also, I've heard it's not even based on LC platform, it's based on the 4Runner/Tundra one (I could be wrong bout this, if I am, sorry).</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Tundra is not based off the 4Runner platform. The 4Runner, meanwhile, is based off the Hi-Lux platform, which, in turn, is based off the FJ120/Prado/GX platform.[/QUOTE]<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>caarmike</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What if the the Land Cruiser replacement and Sequoia replacement are the same model? I know it wouldn't make sense from a traditional standpoint but it would really simplify Toyota's North American SUV lineup.</TD></TR></TABLE><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it has been long rumored that the Land Cruiser will not return to North America after the current generation dies</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I doubt either. The Land Criuser is pretty much their flagship and practically the only thing left from their establishment in the US. To kill it off circa its 50th would be pretty ironic.

spwolf
06-30-2006, 01:55 PM
Niche? Toyota sells more than 200,000 LC's around the world per year :-).

mzoltarp
06-30-2006, 02:17 PM
Toyota should have made Land Cruiser a brand a long time ago.

carcazy
07-11-2006, 05:48 PM
Hi,<br>My friend in Japan keeps me updated of all the new cars and info. He e-mail me his translation of an japanese magazine article of info on the land cruiser. <p>From a Japanese Article)<p>Toyota’s next-generation Land Cruiser/ 130 series will be hear shortly, as this is the companies top of the range flagship 4x4 model the new arrival has been much kept a secrete. But now information has been leaked and revealed.<p>As most of us should already know, the styling is going to be more aggressive and even more robust, styling clues from the FTX concept vehicle (shown at the Detroit motor show) is what will the Land cruiser designers had been influenced by. The land cruiser will also significantly grown in size in every way. The 4x4 is said to be longer, wider and sit lower. The 4x4 body’s height will largely remain unchanged, but its said that the SUV will sit lower than normal ride height to give a more stable ride and brilliant on road manners this system is also apart of Gen-2 active height control and terms suspension systems which give the suspension even more travel for off-road usage. <p>The Land cruiser /130 series will also be available with a new line-up of engines. There will be 4.5 liter V8 32v Twin Turbo D-4D common rail diesel that develops 306bhp and turns out almost a whopping 600nm of torque. This engine will replace the six-cylinder diesel available in the current Cruiser. Whist the current petrol engine will be replaced with a 5.0 liter V8 VVT-I that develops 335bhp and torque figures are not yet confirmed for this engine, but its said to be similar to the diesel engine. To tune things down a bit Toyota is going to also give the 2007 cruiser the same VVT-I 4.0 liter V6 240bhp petrol engine used in both the Prado and FJ cruiser. The engines will also be matted to either six speed manual gear box, or a silky smooth and smart 6 speed trip-tonic gear box borrowed from the Phaeton and Touareg. The Trip-tonic box will be standard on diesel and V8 petrol and optional on V6 petrol model. <p>It has been rumors that Toyota is going to launch it 2007 “LX 550” in the US with a 5.5 liter V8 engine. This is not true! Toyota was going to introduce the new “LX 500” in the US which has the same engine as the Land Cruiser 130, Last minute decisions by Toyota Motor Company was that from 2007 they will discontinue the LX range from north America and sell the “LX 500” in Japan with a new Name “Cygnus 500” and the Land Cruiser will remain as the only Japanese build full sized SUV vehicle in the US.<br>A head spokesmen “Akio Ly” at Toyota Motor Company said <p> “This is a bold decision Toyota/Lexus is taking but, we just couldn’t keep two of them together in North America, we have been forced to drop the LX as we are planning to create completely different designs for upcoming Toyota/Lexus future models, following the year 2007 the new Land cruiser 130 will be available here in Japan also in it’s new twin Lexus form. The Japanese market is completely different from the US and Europe and having two virtually the same models here are acceptable. The Toyota is known globally and built up such as strong reputation as the name “Land Cruiser” is a legend and will live on. The land cruiser offered to the North American Market is going to be more Luxurious and so much more desirable to our customers. We at Toyota Motor Company have made the right decision and will offer the Lexus LX again 2009 with a different design and totally different looks, which will stand apart from the land cruiser range” <br>

jinnah
07-11-2006, 06:43 PM
The Scoop is defenitely the next Sequoia. Although some family resemblance should be present in the next LC.

scorpio14
07-11-2006, 07:17 PM
Thanks heaps fa all that info man.... its about time we get some decent stuff on the LC 130series.<p>One thing im confused by is about the LX.... i understand that it will be sold in Japan like currently as a Cygnus (with few styling changes from the LC130series) BUT in the US. they will have an LX with toally different design in 2009... but where does that leave Lexus Australia and other countries with the LX???<p>Currently we're gettin the Cygnus rebadged as the LX470 (like all the other countries that get the LX)... .will that continue... OR will be be waiting for the US. LX500 to come out in 2009???<p>

carcazy
07-11-2006, 07:39 PM
Hi here,<p>I will e-mail my friend and ask him your questions.<p>??????

scionlife
07-11-2006, 08:15 PM
Hey guys, I took the liberty of editing the translation to make it go down a little more smoothly.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toyota's next-generation Land Cruiser 130-series will be here shortly. As this is the company's top-of-the-range flagship 4x4 model, the new arrival has been a much-kept secret, but now information has been leaked and revealed. <p>As most of us should already know, the styling is going to be more aggressive and even more robust. Styling clues from the FTX concept vehicle (shown at the Detroit Auto Show) will heavily influence the new design. The Land Cruiser will also grow significantly in every dimension. The 4x4 is said to be longer, wider and sit lower. The height of the body will remain largely unchanged, but it is said that the SUV will sit lower than normal to give a more stable ride and brilliant on-road manners. This system is also a part of Gen-2 active height control and TEMS suspension system, which give the suspension even more travel for off-road usage. <p>The Land Cruiser 130-series will also be available with a new line-up of engines. There will be 4.5L V8 32v Twin Turbo D-4D common-rail diesel that develops 306hp and turns out almost a whopping 600nm of torque. This engine will replace the six-cylinder diesel available in the current Cruiser. The current gasoline engine will be replaced with a 5.0L V8 VVT-I that develops 335bhp. Torque figures are not yet confirmed for the gas engine, but should be similar to the diesel. To tune things down a bit Toyota is going to also give the 2007 Cruiser the same VVT-I 4.0L V6 240hp gasoline engine used in both the Prado and FJ Cruiser. The engines will also be mated to either a six-speed manual gearbox or a silky-smooth 6-speed Tiptronic gearbox borrowed from the Phaeton and Touareg. The Tiptronic box will be standard on diesel and V8 gasoline engines, and optional on the V6 model. <p>It has been rumored that Toyota is going to launch it 2007 LX550 in the US with a 5.5 liter V8 engine. This is not true! Toyota was going to introduce the new LX500 in the US, which has the same engine as the Land Cruiser 130. The last minute decision by Toyota Motor Company was that after 2007 they will discontinue the LX range from North America and sell the LX500 in Japan with a new Name: Cygnus 500 and the Land Cruiser will remain as the only Japanese-built full-sized SUV in the US. <p>A head spokesmen, Akio Lya, at Toyota Motor Company said, "This is a bold decision that Toyota and Lexus are taking but we just couldn't keep both of them together in North America. We have been forced to drop the LX as we are planning to create completely different designs for upcoming Toyota and Lexus models. Following the year 2007 the new Land Cruiser 130 will also be available in Japan in its twin Lexus form. The Japanese market is completely different from the US and Europe and having two virtually-identical models are acceptable. The Toyota brand is known globally and has built up such as strong reputation that the name Land Cruiser is a legend and will live on. The Land Cruiser offered to the North American Market is going to be more luxurious and so much more desirable to those customers. We at Toyota Motor Company have made the right decision and will offer the Lexus LX again 2009 with a different design and totally different looks, which will stand apart from the Land Cruiser range" </TD></TR></TABLE>

bolita
07-12-2006, 07:54 AM
I would really like to see how Toyota will address its huge sales to NGOs and workhorse users with this new LC130 series.<p>Today, the GX and base series are still available with 5sp manuals and straight 6 4.5L 24valve engines. With this direction the LC is going, I find it harder for Toyota to address both sides of the market -&gt; upscale and utilitarian.<p>It will be interesting...

Naga Royal Guard
07-12-2006, 08:19 AM
they may hang on to the 120 series for such sales <p>4.5 Litre Diesel V8? hope that makes it into the Tundra

ToyotaFreak
07-12-2006, 08:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would really like to see how Toyota will address its huge sales to NGOs and workhorse users with this new LC130 series.<p>Today, the GX and base series are still available with 5sp manuals and straight 6 4.5L 24valve engines. With this direction the LC is going, I find it harder for Toyota to address both sides of the market -&gt; upscale and utilitarian.<br>It will be interesting...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If Toyota wants to add a workhorse-spec LC130, I guess it wouldn't be a problem, they could use a slightly modified version (To meet emissions requiremnts.) of the 4.0 BEAMS 1GR-FE engine currently used in the Land Cruiser Prado/ Hilux Surf & then introduce an all-new 6 cyllinder petrol engine during its mid-life update.

IcedG35
07-12-2006, 08:59 AM
So basically Lexus is going to kill off their only good looking full size truck that is pretty much the only one i ever see driving besides the RX? I know thats just my opinion but i know i can't be alone in thinking the LX is their best looking SUV and the GX should be long gone before the LX is ever cut. The GX has horrible leg room in the second row and it looks awkward. I hope they change their minds again. What happened to the Sequioa based LX?

the1
07-12-2006, 03:07 PM
A V8 600nm diesel engine? Wow, sounds really promising.

Nodnarb
09-13-2006, 06:29 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/13/spy-shots-toyota-land-cruiser/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2006/0...iser/</A><p>EDIT: The search feature is my friend.<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13111&page=3" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13111&page=3</A><br>Sorry about that. Please merge.

bolita
09-13-2006, 06:45 AM
Another conversative move by Toyota. I find it way to alike to the current Land Cruiser which perhaps is not that bad for certain markets but I expected something mouch better for the top of line Cruiser from Toyota.<p>I wonder what newbies will be presented in the powertrain dept.<p>---<br>The more I look at it, the more it seems that the grennhouse is the same...is this just a big facelift???

the1
09-13-2006, 07:52 AM
No, it's clearly not a facelift. It's just too evolutionary.

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 07:54 AM
What an ugly ass...especially from the side.. Its just another Toyota so apart from the ass comment the rest is business as usual for me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

the1
09-13-2006, 07:57 AM
It's ok for a LandCruiser. You can't expect the LC to be a revolutionary design from Toyota.

AXLE
09-13-2006, 08:00 AM
The rear really reminds me of the Audi Q7. <br> <IMG SRC="http://images.automotive.com/cob/factory_automotive/images/Features/auto_shows/2006_LAAS/2007_Audi_Q7__rear.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>The Front and sides are fantastic IMO.

CosworthKid
09-13-2006, 08:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's ok for a LandCruiser. You can't expect the LC to be a revolutionary design from Toyota.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep..yet again u cant expect any revolutionary design from Toyota <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
09-13-2006, 08:30 AM
omg.. they actually made it worse? <br>so far, current one looks better

spwolf
09-13-2006, 08:58 AM
looks like that might be Sequia to me...<p>Interior does not look like an expensive Land Cruiser to me in fact, LC 120 (Prado) looks more expensive to me. And in most countries Prado has taken over more manial tasks with its cheap versions that offer relativly affordable SUV that lasts and lasts.<p>Of course, that might be cheaper version in any case...<p>New LC is coming next year for sure, we have it in our new model plans...<p>Tundra front end gives clues as that as Tundra will be offered in NA only...<p>As to the back lights, they are almost the same as on current LC...

CarMattZu777
09-13-2006, 09:24 AM
Are they sure that is the Land Cruiser??? Despite the good looking interior, it looks like some nasty Chinese blob thing SUV. Maybe the Toyota badge is to confuse people??? I don't like it at all, and I love Land Cruisers, old and new. If this is the new LC, that love will end.....<p>The headlights are similar to the new Pajero.<br>Also, the upper part of the side profile reminds me somehow of the Highlander....

spwolf
09-13-2006, 11:21 AM
there are many, many sophisticated Toyota clues there, this is an Toyota product for sure.<p>Question is if it is Land Cruiser - which will be VERY expensive vehicle in most world markets...

spwolf
09-13-2006, 11:26 AM
also - rear door opens up - no way for Land Cruiser!

Ace of Spades
09-13-2006, 11:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gillani</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it seems that toyota hasn't designed it but it has been designed by peugeot or some stupid company</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You gotta wash your mouth for saying such things. Unsustained bashing isn't what CSS stands for. And I took the liberty of correcting your quote.

erzhik
09-13-2006, 12:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also - rear door opens up - no way for Land Cruiser!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isn't current LC's rear door opens up as well?<p> <IMG SRC="http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5269/trd4za1.jpg" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
09-13-2006, 01:27 PM
is the LEXUS LX going to be based off of this or is it going to have its own styling like all the other new Lexus'?????????...i hope it has its own styling

anonms
09-13-2006, 03:03 PM
The exterior is.... so not looking right. I'm hoping that's just to throw us off.<p>But the interior is obviously Toyota.

scionlife
09-13-2006, 03:19 PM
It doesn't look big enough to be a LC or Sequoia replacement. Look at the side-view photo... looks like a slightly-lifted Highlander-sized vehicle to me.

spwolf
09-13-2006, 03:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scionlife</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It doesn't look big enough to be a LC or Sequoia replacement. Look at the side-view photo... looks like a slightly-lifted Highlander-sized vehicle to me.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>looks pretty much truck based... too many off road cues to be Highlander...

spwolf
09-13-2006, 03:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>erzhik</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Isn't current LC's rear door opens up as well?<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>it most certainly does! I guess i am too used to 120's these days... we sold our last 100 3 years ago....

Jab
09-13-2006, 09:15 PM
Here the pics taken from Saltunat Oman Where it tested<br><A HREF="http://www.assayyarat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89981" TARGET="_blank">http://www.assayyarat.com/foru...89981</A>

geary
09-13-2006, 10:46 PM
Nice post. Seems to have a look alot like the Rav, and I like it.

scorpio14
09-14-2006, 12:35 AM
That looks horrible.... I thought this was supposed to be all-new... this looks like the current one with over sized everythin... <p>That better not be it.... <p>Its weird how its got no camo of it.... <p>I hope they arent doin a Nissan with the Patrol OR Mitsubishi with the Pajero and just change the front and rear styling

Hornbag
09-14-2006, 01:08 AM
I was hoping the LandCruiser would be Toyota's styling savior, but alas Toyota got lazy and upsized the RAV-4 to the point of making it look dead-ugly. The front headlights are terrible, actually the whole front is absolute rubbish IMO. They tried too hard with it. The rear though looks like they tried to put an ass on this car, then had second thoughts but it was too late to chage some of the design. Renult IMHO did the butt thing great, but this looks crap. At least the doorhandles look great? The Cruiser has gone soft.<p>Luckily, on the inside 'soft' is a great thing as Toyota have suceeded big time here IMO. Everything looks very classy and the overall theme looks great. Quality reaks from every corner of those pictures, and the overall design of the dash is great looking IMO.<br>But the outside is an embarisment. I prefered those premature picture a few pages back.....

Superfresa
09-14-2006, 01:41 AM
You gotta be kidding me that thats the next LandCruiser.<p>Write it down, thats another proper 4X4 gone soft. How surprising, it's Toyota again! After messing up the Hilux, They've now gone for the Land Cruiser.<p>How Irrespectful...

scorpio14
09-14-2006, 02:03 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/13/spy-shots-toyota-land-cruiser" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2006/0...uiser</A>/<p>more pics here including the interior. the centre console looks like a fat version of the RAV4s<p>YUK is all i can say... and thats for the whole car...<p>The glass-house and roof looks exactly the same at the current one... <p>the exterior has to be a test mule or somethin... but it just doesnt look right.<p>And im with Superfresa.... if this is it... what is wrong with Toyota.<p>

Superfresa
09-14-2006, 02:23 AM
Probably a facelift. IFS and IRS on coils - make sure they're soft!, dropped ride height, styling that makes a Ssangyong look svelte, an interior that is a step down even from the Patrol, which is older than The Wheel.<p>What next, On demand 4X4? Dash mounted 4 speed Auto? Oh wait, how about a TRD Land Cruiser with even more fragile bumperettes and so on?<p>Yuck. When did it go so damned wrong for Toyota? Why did they decide to stop making real cars? How DARE they kill the Hilux AND now the Land Cruiser in such an undignified way?

gillani
09-14-2006, 02:29 AM
yuk this is the ugliest suv i have ever seen look at the size of the suv especially from the rear its so much shrinked as compared to the old lc 100 and the roof has been so much lowered that it seems to have an estate car look especially from the back

gillani
09-14-2006, 02:34 AM
look at the rear end especially it is looking like an estate car its horrible and from the side especially the rear light going out of the body seems to look like a swelling coming out from body

Oz Astra
09-14-2006, 09:59 PM
i was expecting so much more.<p>The rear looks like a mix between current Cruiser and the VW Toureg

Gian86
09-14-2006, 10:36 PM
The rear end does look alot like Touareg but the interior's front middle panels look very modern like Rav4.

CarMattZu777
09-14-2006, 11:31 PM
I still haven't forced myself to believe that this is the new Land Cruiser. If I were to give my own judgement, it would be that this is either some Chinese or Malaysian or w/e attempt at creating a Toyota-like SUV or a budget Toyota SUV designed for third world markets. Maybe to slot above Fortuner in SE Asia??? Please Toyota, please make this NOT be the LC...

Superfresa
09-15-2006, 01:53 AM
Chinese.... thats exactly what it looks like. A budget car made in China using a Land Cruiser body and a few parts off other cars. Like the rear lights, off a Touareg, and so on.

the1
09-15-2006, 01:55 AM
I'm still hoping it's just a mule...

scorpio14
09-15-2006, 02:57 AM
I think its a mule... i just cant believe they would have the car sitting there with no camo.... thats very un-Toyota. And as suky some of Toyota's recent cars have been in styling this is like a new LOW... and i have alota doubt that this it what itll look like... maybe the interior will look like that, but certainly no the exterior (i hope)<p>an article by carpoint.com.au<br><A HREF="http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2047998.aspx" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2047998.aspx</A><p><br>

Hornbag
09-15-2006, 04:04 AM
It will be official. No doubt in my mind. It's not that bad, at least it tried to make some statement with its styling now. I supose when you look at how many of these cars are used for the school run these days it's no wonder they have gone soft. Still it lacks the feeling of a Cruiser.....Tough.<p><B>Note to Toyota:</B> Keep the 78 Series tough, and don't fanbangle it with plastic bits.

basti08
09-15-2006, 04:37 AM
i also think its gonna be the official LC...<p>though i think it needs some effort to look abit more rugged...

Naga Royal Guard
09-15-2006, 05:42 AM
It looks like a big station wagon, nothing more or less really.

spwolf
09-15-2006, 08:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like the rear lights, off a Touareg, and so on.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol... those rear lights are almost exactly like current Land Cruiser (slightly darket color and all LED) which started selling in 98, so I am pretty curious if that means that Touareg and Q7 copied Land Cruiser lights?<br>

spwolf
09-15-2006, 08:15 AM
thats near production prototype... so whatever that car is, it wont be much different in production...

StevenZoz
09-15-2006, 03:30 PM
they cant sell that! no way its gonna look anything close to that! it would fail miserably<p>that mule is for the US right?

LEXUS FAN!
09-16-2006, 11:47 PM
is lexus separating itself with toyota for SUVs too?

anonms
09-16-2006, 11:56 PM
Hm. I just realized that the RAV4 has a bump on the rear akin to those supposed LC130 mules, except less pronounced.

Rugbyplaya91
09-16-2006, 11:59 PM
what was the ultimate off road vehicle, to the luxary ultra huge suv has now offically transformed it's self into a soccer mom alternative:(

gumba3ah
09-17-2006, 12:46 AM
with that ugly center arm rest, hand brake and the reset knob in the instrument panel, you would swear toyota is just too lazy to think of new "better" designs instead of hauling them over from an '85 model

kaloryfer
09-17-2006, 03:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>lol... those rear lights are almost exactly like current Land Cruiser </TD></TR></TABLE><p>hey, if i'm not mistaken, the current LC looks like this:<br><IMG SRC="http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2843/toyotalandcruiserxxko7.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>so where's the resemblance?

Naga Royal Guard
09-17-2006, 03:39 PM
he is talking about the NA Land Cruiser / 100 not the Prado/120/GX

ricerammer
09-17-2006, 03:39 PM
That's the Lexus GX470 in the states.

kaloryfer
09-17-2006, 03:46 PM
yeah, I did some research in the meanwhile and found out that there's LC (the one I posted) and LC 100 here in my country. anyway, the one I posted is way more common, that's why I was confused. thanks for the info. :)

mzoltarp
09-17-2006, 04:22 PM
I thought the mule looked half decent.

spwolf
09-17-2006, 05:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gumba3ah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with that ugly center arm rest, hand brake and the reset knob in the instrument panel, you would swear toyota is just too lazy to think of new "better" designs instead of hauling them over from an '85 model</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>yes, the arm rest needs rethinking... thats probably why so many people buy toyota...

autonutt
09-17-2006, 06:26 PM
Interesting information regarding Toyota's plans to discontinue the twinned LX version of the Land Cruiser... especially considering Toyota has provided almost no marketing support of the Land Cruiser in the US for several years!! While the LX has received upgrades and special editions, as well as its own sales brochure available at the Lexus dealership every year, Toyota US hasn't produced a Land Cruiser sales brochure since 2004, nor have I seen a Land Cruiser on a Toyota lot in a long while!<p>The only logical explanation is that Toyota may replace the Lexus LX with a rebadged next-gen Sequoia instead (to better distinguish it from the Prado/GX in size and power) and reintroduce the next-gen Land Cruiser as a companion to the FJ Cruiser in Toyota dealerships.

anonms
09-17-2006, 09:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kaloryfer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, I did some research in the meanwhile and found out that there's LC (the one I posted) and LC 100 here in my country. anyway, the one I posted is way more common, that's why I was confused. thanks for the info. :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The one you posted is common for Europeans. We see it in the US as a Lexus. <p><br>I think we should just refer to the Land Cruisers by numbers. The naming is too inconsistent globally.

FRDesign
09-18-2006, 12:12 AM
My Friend just bought a Yellow(Why Yellow!)FJ Crusier today.<br>BTW, Im not liking this much. Looks kinda like a Big HHR to me.

gumba3ah
09-18-2006, 02:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>yes, the arm rest needs rethinking... thats probably why so many people buy toyota...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh, im sorry, i never new reliability means ugliness<p>you know, good quality and good design don't contradict. As a 2007 model and an expensive SUV, a little nice touches here and there would be appreciated. And don't forget that this will be the same UGLY interior that will be used for the Lexus LX which will be a luxury contender against the range rover, mercedes GL and audi Q7

the1
09-18-2006, 02:34 AM
I'm still not convinced that this is not still a mule.

gumba3ah
09-18-2006, 02:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm still not convinced that this is not still a mule.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, its not. its the real thing. im as heart broken as you are <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
09-18-2006, 02:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gumba3ah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>oh, im sorry, i never new reliability means ugliness<p>you know, good quality and good design don't contradict. As a 2007 model and an expensive SUV, a little nice touches here and there would be appreciated. And don't forget that this will be the same UGLY interior that will be used for the Lexus LX which will be a luxury contender against the range rover, mercedes GL and audi Q7</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Isnt the next LX goin to have its own styling... therefore it wouldnt use the same interior as the LC130, itll have its own... and im guess itll be similar to what u c its Lexus's today (IS, LS460) well the idea anywayz... <p>I guess we'll have to c whether this is the real LC130... but i still have my doubts about the exterior... coz that doesnt look all-new at all... the window area looks exactly like the current ones and it doesnt match the fatness of the rest of the body. and srsly as if they would have the real thing sitting there undisguised like that.... <p>I think i'll wait till we c official or leaked pictures...

Superfresa
09-18-2006, 02:59 AM
Lol mate, well they certainly didn't go into the hassle of fixing up a mule like that just to mislead you.<p>Sorry to say, this is the Real McCoy as sad as it is. You couldn't expect anything else from Toyota lately, really. What a disappointment. Oh well, Nissan Patrol's sales will probably/hopefully boost now...

gumba3ah
09-18-2006, 03:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Isnt the next LX goin to have its own styling... therefore it wouldnt use the same interior as the LC130, itll have its own... and im guess itll be similar to what u c its Lexus's today (IS, LS460) well the idea anywayz... <p>I guess we'll have to c whether this is the real LC130... but i still have my doubts about the exterior... coz that doesnt look all-new at all... the window area looks exactly like the current ones and it doesnt match the fatness of the rest of the body. and srsly as if they would have the real thing sitting there undisguised like that.... <p>I think i'll wait till we c official or leaked pictures...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i really doubt toyota will give the LX its "own" styling. what they'll do is change the fascia, tail lights, wheels and a few interior touches as usual. But hey, lets keep our fingers crossed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and about leaving it undisguised like that, it always happens with many car makers. Besides, they never knew the car will get spied in Oman.

spwolf
09-18-2006, 04:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gumba3ah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i really doubt toyota will give the LX its "own" styling. what they'll do is change the fascia, tail lights, wheels and a few interior touches as usual. But hey, lets keep our fingers crossed <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and about leaving it undisguised like that, it always happens with many car makers. Besides, they never knew the car will get spied in Oman.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LX is actually becoming different model from Land Cruiser and they wont be released at the same time...

spwolf
09-18-2006, 04:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gumba3ah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>oh, im sorry, i never new reliability means ugliness<p>you know, good quality and good design don't contradict. As a 2007 model and an expensive SUV, a little nice touches here and there would be appreciated. And don't forget that this will be the same UGLY interior that will be used for the Lexus LX which will be a luxury contender against the range rover, mercedes GL and audi Q7</TD></TR></TABLE><p>wel what touches can you actually see on that pic? All you complained about is centre arm rest... which really doesnt need re-inventing...

anonms
09-18-2006, 06:52 AM
Seriosuly. It's an ARM REST. Why are you complaining about somethng so trivial?<p><br>Now, the lack of a 4WD lever is something to complain about. Why is Toyota joining in the switching to knobs? I can understand them doing that on, say, a Sequioa or a 4Runner, but not on anything that bears the Land Cruiser name.

gumba3ah
09-18-2006, 08:44 AM
only an arm rest? you know what? thats what draws the line between german and japanese styling. take a look at the range rover or audi's arm rests.<p>and the arm rests aren't the only thing i complained about. if you still are not convinced then i suppose you're also in love with the hand brake and the tacky reset needle in the cluster. please don't forget this is a $40+ grand car and not something KIA vomited up.<p>LX will be different? hope so. still don't think so.<p>

Santeno
09-18-2006, 10:58 AM
gumba3ah, Please take note of how you are addressing other members. Please relax your tone a little before someone starts turning this argument into something ugly and we have to get involved.<p>As for the styling, I too beleive that Toyota could have done much better than a bigger version of the RAV-4 styling and a tarted up version of the current interior. Perhaps there will be many who will like it, but to me it's a bit of a disappointment.<p>As for the Lexus variant of the Land cruiser, gumba3ah, It is pretty well documented that it will be either a completely different model [which I'm not so sure of] or based on the land cruiser, but with a serious dose of modern lexus styling (not just a different grill and lights like prior models). If other lexus models are anything to go by, then that is quite likely gong to be the case.

gumba3ah
09-18-2006, 11:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gumba3ah, Please take note of how you are addressing other members. Please relax your tone a little before someone starts turning this argument into something ugly and we have to get involved.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh come on guys, roughen up a little (we are in an SUV thread lol). i dont think i said anything insulting and if i did i would be more than willing to apoligize. i wouldnt call it an argument, more of a discussion really.<p>one other thing, can you please provide me with the documents u said? cuz i really need some good news about this car.<p>i think the only compensation that will satisfy me (and some others) is a much more powerful engine

ndjan
09-18-2006, 01:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gumba3ah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only an arm rest? you know what? thats what draws the line between german and japanese styling. take a look at the range rover or audi's arm rests.<p>and the arm rests aren't the only thing i complained about. if you still are not convinced then i suppose you're also in love with the hand brake and the tacky reset needle in the cluster. please don't forget this is a $40+ grand car and not something KIA vomited up.<p>LX will be different? hope so. still don't think so.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You mentioned the armrests of a truck that is twice the price, and that of a crossover.<br>As for the Audi's armrest, it is easily the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen with the cingle cupholder "cutout." The LC's looks like it will slide forward as well. <p>The handbrake is engaged, that's why it looks silly. the ODO, no big deal as it will be digital anyways.<p>I'd rather Toyota skimp on pointless things and invest more money in build quality... something it has leaps and bounds over both range rover and audi.<p>But if we were going to compare pricepoints and SUV classes, the more appropriate comparisons would be with the Yukon Denali, the Navigator, the MB GL and the QX56, who don't even come close.<p>But I'm not liking the interior for different reasons. While it will undoubtedly be of high quality and loaded with features, I don't like the design. Sure the materials are nice and it is free of gimmicks, the design has no theme, and has nothing to make it looks current. It could easily be the old LC's interior. It's just bland and pointless.<br>The outside looks like a melted version of the current one.

gumba3ah
09-18-2006, 01:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You mentioned the armrests of a truck that is twice the price, and that of a crossover.<br>As for the Audi's armrest, it is easily the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen with the cingle cupholder "cutout." The LC's looks like it will slide forward as well. <p>The handbrake is engaged, that's why it looks silly. the ODO, no big deal as it will be digital anyways.<p>I'd rather Toyota skimp on pointless things and invest more money in build quality... something it has leaps and bounds over both range rover and audi.<p>But if we were going to compare pricepoints and SUV classes, the more appropriate comparisons would be with the Yukon Denali, the Navigator, the MB GL and the QX56, who don't even come close.<p>But I'm not liking the interior for different reasons. While it will undoubtedly be of high quality and loaded with features, I don't like the design. Sure the materials are nice and it is free of gimmicks, the design has no theme, and has nothing to make it looks current. It could easily be the old LC's interior. It's just bland and pointless.<br>The outside looks like a melted version of the current one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>guys come on. the range rover isnt double the price because the arm rests look better and being a crossover doesn't mean it cant work with SUVs. <p>and as i said earlier good quality doesn't necessarily mean bad design, heck the suburban's arm rests that come with the bucket seats are better and more comfortable. so when you chip in those extra pennies for your land cruiser you'd like something better looking than that.<p>the hand brake is simply <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> regardless of the positioning.<p>im not talking about the ODO itself, im talking about the little thingy you push to reset it. real offroaders hate it because the dust keeps getting through the little space around it. bad idea.<p>i personally find these bits and pieces that make the interior look "bland and pointless"<p>

bolita
09-18-2006, 01:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gumba3ah, Please take note of how you are addressing other members. Please relax your tone a little before someone starts turning this argument into something ugly and we have to get involved.<p>As for the styling, I too beleive that Toyota could have done much better than a bigger version of the RAV-4 styling and a tarted up version of the current interior. Perhaps there will be many who will like it, but to me it's a bit of a disappointment.<p>As for the Lexus variant of the Land cruiser, gumba3ah, It is pretty well documented that it will be either a completely different model [which I'm not so sure of] or based on the land cruiser, but with a serious dose of modern lexus styling (not just a different grill and lights like prior models). If other lexus models are anything to go by, then that is quite likely gong to be the case.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think that one of the greatest problems with the Land Cruiser is that Toyota tries to cover too many market options with the same basic model.<p>Specifically, with the LC Toyota has a base model in its line up (with the 6 cyl and manual trns - seating up to 10) all the way up to the Lexus (V8 and auto trans).<p>I really hope that the Lexus is not a rebadged LC this time around. Perhaps even the VX models should be a lot different than the base and GX models.<p>We'll soon know...

spwolf
09-18-2006, 02:41 PM
it will be like Prado - base version will be cheaper ultimate version, and not vice versa...<p>Armrest, sliding, with cooler inside is one of the things people love about LC's... I doubt that will change...

anonms
09-18-2006, 04:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gumba3ah</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only an arm rest? you know what? thats what draws the line between german and japanese styling. take a look at the range rover or audi's arm rests.<p>and the arm rests aren't the only thing i complained about. if you still are not convinced then i suppose you're also in love with the hand brake and the tacky reset needle in the cluster. please don't forget this is a $40+ grand car and not something KIA vomited up.<p>LX will be different? hope so. still don't think so.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Keep in mind that while the Land Cruiser is marketed as a luxury car, it was far from being intended as being marketed as a luxury car.<p>The Audi's armrests? With that unsightingly awkward cup holder just randomly inserted there? Oh yeah. So much better than the basic, simple design of these pictured prototypes. <p>Why are you making a fuss over the hand brakes, too? I think there's actually an off-road-related reason for that kind of a decision, but I'm not sure. But the current Land Cruiser has a hand brake, as does the FJ Cruiser. Even the RANGE ROVER has a hand brake.<p>And as for the odometer reset stick, that's really nitpicking.

Superfresa
09-18-2006, 10:16 PM
That may be nitpicking, but bland styling is no excuse. There is no excuse for the bulky front and rear that look "Innoffensive" with a fragile bumper. There is no excuse for smoothing out every last single design element to make it as conservative as The Pope. There is no excuse for smoothing down a true 4X4 Icon into a sort of soft-roader-look-alike, off-road-clumsy vehicle.<p>There is no excuse for softening up a car whose reputation is that of toughness, reliability and go anywhere ability. Shame on Toyota and its marketing team. After such a well earned name. <p>BTW, annonms. Current Land Cruisers dont have a 4X4 lever. They have a low range lever. Permanent 4X4, like when they knew how to make them. <p>I bet you that this will go soft with a FWD based on demand system. Just typicall. Lets hope I'm wrong.<p>But if they did it properly, there is no problem with the low range being a switch or a button. Same difference.

anonms
09-18-2006, 10:32 PM
Oh, the styling is just wrong, I agree with that. I would've rather have seen more cues from the FJC than from the RAV4.<p>But then maybe the release of the FJC might have spurred Toyota to have the LC130 focus more on luxury than off-roading. Whatever the case may be, I just hope the 130 can live up to the reputation. If it's going to look like crap, it better outperform the competion. Or else. I will be angry. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

Denali
09-18-2006, 11:17 PM
looks like a sequoia to me, anyway wasnt the new LC suppose to have the 07/08 tundra grill and platform?<p>i guess the people at Range Rover will be happy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> there best comp will be gone 4 a while, <br>

ndjan
09-18-2006, 11:40 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, the styling is just wrong, I agree with that. I would've rather have seen more cues from the FJC than from the RAV4.<p>But then maybe the release of the FJC might have spurred Toyota to have the LC130 focus more on luxury than off-roading. Whatever the case may be, I just hope the 130 can live up to the reputation. If it's going to look like crap, it better outperform the competion. Or else. I will be angry. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I totally agree on this. The Sequoia is already overlapping this car a great deal, so they don't really need another family-ute.<br>If it is meant to be an off-road worthy luxo-ute, they should have made it in the same vain as the FJC. It would have competed with the Hummer H2 (just like the FJ will be cross-shopped with the H3) and Landrover Disco (FJ is sorta in the same market as the defender)- two cars that have similar intentions. That would have been kick-ass. This is going to be cannabalized by the new Sequoia when that comes out.

anonms
09-19-2006, 04:47 PM
Actually, the FJC thing raises an idea in my head.<p>Why can't the 130 just have similar styling with that of the FJC overall? The timing is good (or, at least, the target model year).

spwolf
09-19-2006, 06:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, the FJC thing raises an idea in my head.<p>Why can't the 130 just have similar styling with that of the FJC overall? The timing is good (or, at least, the target model year).</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>because Land Cruiser is sold mostly outside of USA, and in some countries costs more than $100k. It has to be large, luxury, traditional true SUV. Thats what LC is.

Superfresa
09-19-2006, 08:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, the styling is just wrong, I agree with that. I would've rather have seen more cues from the FJC than from the RAV4.<p>But then maybe the release of the FJC might have spurred Toyota to have the LC130 focus more on luxury than off-roading. Whatever the case may be, I just hope the 130 can live up to the reputation. If it's going to look like crap, it better outperform the competion. Or else. I will be angry. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Like the new Hilux? That is outperformed offroad by The Mazda BT50, Ford Ranger, Nissan Navarra, Mitsubishi Triton, Nissan Patrol Ute, Land Rover Defender 130, Ford F250, Holden Rodeo/Isuzu D-Max AND SsangYong Musso, after their reputation would've suggested It'd give them all a good run for the money (except perhaps Patrol and Defender)? The New Hilux Is the most fragile of the Utes sold arround here, and the least capable. Guess what. It looks bland too. What hope is left for the Land Cruiser, which even now is nowhere near as capable as ANY other vehicle in its category (at least down here)?

Naga Royal Guard
09-19-2006, 08:17 PM
this is getting old, why not just wait and see what toyota releases? you have been at it since those new pictures were posted. <p>

Superfresa
09-19-2006, 08:23 PM
Ahh, that's what the dissappointment to see one of the best manufacturers go down the drain causes....<p>You're right, we'll wait and see. Cross fingers.

vasia
09-19-2006, 08:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ahh, that's what the dissappointment to see one of the best manufacturers go down the drain causes....<p>You're right, we'll wait and see. Cross fingers.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The FJ Cruiser is one of the most capable off-roaders currently on sale in North America ... and from what I've heard, the Hilux can still hang with the best of them when it comes to off-roading.

gumba3ah
09-20-2006, 12:40 AM
the new tundra will have a choice of three engines including a 5.7 liter V8. i really hope we'll see the 5.7 on the new LC.

scorpio14
09-20-2006, 01:37 AM
I here the LC130series is only gettin the 4.7L VVTi V8 that the US. have atm... <p>Maybe the Sequoia will get the 5.7l though.... imo i dont think any Toyota built outside of the US. will get that engine. <p>The LX replacement is said to get a 5.5L ... it would very good if the LC got a new V8... coz 210kws from a 4.7L seems low to me... the 4.0L V6 should have power like that.

Superfresa
09-20-2006, 04:25 AM
On the plus side, I hear a 4.4 V8 Turbodiesel will make its way into the Cruiser. An absolutely awesome engine I hear. We'll wait and see.

bolita
09-20-2006, 07:23 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The FJ Cruiser is one of the most capable off-roaders currently on sale in North America ... and from what I've heard, the Hilux can still hang with the best of them when it comes to off-roading. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Even though a bit off topic, the IMV Hi LUx produced in Argentina is so fragile that the body begins to crack all over around the contact points with the chassis as well as in the corners of the windows (front and back). The rear axle suffers a lot as those the crankshaft seals. So, even though the plant is selling at capacity the truth is that IMHO the Hi Lux is selling based on reputation and not so the product itself.<p>I doubt that the next LC will follow these footsteps. Looks to me from the pix that it is a facelift (mayor at most) but based on the same principle. My main concern remains to the fact that Toyota is catering to too many segments of the markets. NGOs and real off roaders with the base LC and the Range Rover with the top of the line VX. I don't think it is a viable equation in todays world to follow the same route with the next LC...

spwolf
09-20-2006, 09:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Even though a bit off topic, the IMV Hi LUx produced in Argentina is so fragile that the body begins to crack all over around the contact points with the chassis as well as in the corners of the windows (front and back). The rear axle suffers a lot as those the crankshaft seals. So, even though the plant is selling at capacity the truth is that IMHO the Hi Lux is selling based on reputation and not so the product itself.<p>I doubt that the next LC will follow these footsteps. Looks to me from the pix that it is a facelift (mayor at most) but based on the same principle. My main concern remains to the fact that Toyota is catering to too many segments of the markets. NGOs and real off roaders with the base LC and the Range Rover with the top of the line VX. I don't think it is a viable equation in todays world to follow the same route with the next LC...</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>New Hilux we get in Europe from South Africa is pretty damn strong truck... Never had any problems with them, and we had one that went on 10,000km of journalist testing over the trails , and worst they could do is break windshield, scrape underside a bit and lose registration plates in the river...

anonms
09-20-2006, 03:04 PM
Strange thing is, from what I had originally heard a while back, the LX would be replaced by a Sequoia-based VX, not a 130-based VX.

spwolf
09-20-2006, 04:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>What hope is left for the Land Cruiser, which even now is nowhere near as capable as ANY other vehicle in its category (at least down here)?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Land Cruiser is not capable, of what? Hilux looks bland? Where do you live on, mars?

anonms
09-20-2006, 05:11 PM
No, he lives in Australia, where they get the LQ HiLux as opposed to the more HQ 4Runner/HiLuxSurf that the USA gets.

Naga Royal Guard
09-20-2006, 05:52 PM
just call it the hilux IMV

Superfresa
09-20-2006, 07:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Land Cruiser is not capable, of what? Hilux looks bland? Where do you live on, mars?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Australia. I wont say a word about Land Rover, I'll compare it to a Patrol. It has almost twice the suspension travell (Articulation) and a lot steeper approach/breakover/departure angles. THE IFS lets it down off the road as well although I'm happy to admit it makes it a better allrounder. But the suspension sags. Outback tourers have turned away from it.<p>Dont take me wrong though, It is still a capable vehicle. But It has the Nissan Patrol and The Land Rover Discovery, as well as the Commander which, aside from ground Clearance, is also very capable. The current LC100 is capable but feature for feature, It's not brilliant in any way, really (despite it being best in class when it came out). Aside from the very successful Explorer that sells 3 units per month, the LC100 is the least rugged of the Large 4X4s down here, and that saddens me because I've always thought of Toyota as the most genuine competitor to Land Rover, and my second choice in 4X4s usually. But commonly even my first choice at times.<p>As for the Hilux, It's still capable, but It lost ground Clearance, approach/brakover/departure angles are shadowed by Triton's and the pretty old now Rodeo. And Suspension articulation became a lot less class leading. Dont have the stats for that one with me right now, but I believe It's par with Rodeo's and short of Navarra's. <p>And then there's the bulky front end, that may look good to some, but it also makes it a bit clumsyer offroad. And again, It is just with dissappointment that I say this. <p>I remember as a kid, I always wanted to grow up and drive a Defender and a Hilux. It saddens me to see it turn away from its hard earned well deserved heritage.<p>ONCE AGAIN, dont take me wrong mate, trust me. If I am now complaining about Toyota going soft, It's because the love I had for the brand. And just head back to the Disco 3 threads before it was revealed and watch me moan about that too because I thought It was going to be a pretty bad Explorer cover up jobbie. And they proved me wrong. Now I only hope Toyota can do the same....

spwolf
09-21-2006, 10:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Australia. I wont say a word about Land Rover, I'll compare it to a Patrol. It has almost twice the suspension travell (Articulation) and a lot steeper approach/breakover/departure angles. THE IFS lets it down off the road as well although I'm happy to admit it makes it a better allrounder. But the suspension sags. Outback tourers have turned away from it.<p>Dont take me wrong though, It is still a capable vehicle. But It has the Nissan Patrol and The Land Rover Discovery, as well as the Commander which, aside from ground Clearance, is also very capable. The current LC100 is capable but feature for feature, It's not brilliant in any way, really (despite it being best in class when it came out). Aside from the very successful Explorer that sells 3 units per month, the LC100 is the least rugged of the Large 4X4s down here, and that saddens me because I've always thought of Toyota as the most genuine competitor to Land Rover, and my second choice in 4X4s usually. But commonly even my first choice at times.<p>As for the Hilux, It's still capable, but It lost ground Clearance, approach/brakover/departure angles are shadowed by Triton's and the pretty old now Rodeo. And Suspension articulation became a lot less class leading. Dont have the stats for that one with me right now, but I believe It's par with Rodeo's and short of Navarra's. <p>And then there's the bulky front end, that may look good to some, but it also makes it a bit clumsyer offroad. And again, It is just with dissappointment that I say this. <p>I remember as a kid, I always wanted to grow up and drive a Defender and a Hilux. It saddens me to see it turn away from its hard earned well deserved heritage.<p>ONCE AGAIN, dont take me wrong mate, trust me. If I am now complaining about Toyota going soft, It's because the love I had for the brand. And just head back to the Disco 3 threads before it was revealed and watch me moan about that too because I thought It was going to be a pretty bad Explorer cover up jobbie. And they proved me wrong. Now I only hope Toyota can do the same....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>which is probably why in US at least there are off road package for Tacoma, 4Runner, etc.<p>You are correct there - Toyota has to be everything for everyone. Maybe in the future they will create off road packages for Aussie market.<p>Our offroading needs are more like being able to withstand years on years of beating up on rough tracks, bad roads, deep snow, ice, mud, etc. Which is what they all do pretty damn well. I never had anyone come in wanting bigger ground clearance...<p>Overall though, you cant compare Pajero to Prado, or even Patrol, I dont think anyone buys them anymore in Europe.

antman
09-21-2006, 03:21 PM
Gotta agree - our local Hilux has gone from being a skyscraper to having those tiny, tiny wheels, methinks they are now targetting the city set more than anything else.

spwolf
09-21-2006, 06:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>antman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gotta agree - our local Hilux has gone from being a skyscraper to having those tiny, tiny wheels, methinks they are now targetting the city set more than anything else.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>they actually have larger wheels now, at least in europe... and whole body is alot bigger than before...

scorpio14
09-21-2006, 11:10 PM
I think he is talkin about the alloys on the top of range 4x4 version... if he is then i agree... all the 4x4 models have like 16inch steels... then when u got up to the top-of-range (called SR5 here) u get these tiny 15inch alloys which look horrible... ive even seen some people over here getting the Prados' 17inch alloys put on their Hiluxs. Im hoping they will put 17s when it gets updated.... 16s at least... (personally i think like the Prado all Hilix 4x4s should have 17inch rims)<p>And about the whole body being bigger then b4... with all Toyota's new SUVs and Utes (expect the Prado) they all have gotten wider but the wheel tracks seem to remain similar to b4 making them look to wide for their tyre size (width)...maybe they need to expand the front and rear tracks more.... they have that same problem with the camry but they kinda fixed it by doin that

vasia
09-21-2006, 11:47 PM
Wait, so the Hilux some of you are complaining about is the IMV Hilux? Why didn't you say so in the first place!<p>The IMV Hilux was never meant to be a serious off-roader in the first place.<p>I thought we were talking the same Hilux that South Africa has, in other words, the real Hilux. I didn't even know Toyota sold IMV Hilux in Australia.

scorpio14
09-22-2006, 12:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wait, so the Hilux some of you are complaining about is the IMV Hilux? Why didn't you say so in the first place!<p>The IMV Hilux was never meant to be a serious off-roader in the first place.<p>I thought we were talking the same Hilux that South Africa has, in other words, the real Hilux. I didn't even know Toyota sold IMV Hilux in Australia. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.toyota.co.za/models/viewrange.aspx?id=hilux" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyota.co.za/models...hilux</A><p>South Africa gets the same IMV Hilux as Australia man... no different and thats the one we're talkin about

spwolf
09-22-2006, 10:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he is talkin about the alloys on the top of range 4x4 version... if he is then i agree... all the 4x4 models have like 16inch steels... then when u got up to the top-of-range (called SR5 here) u get these tiny 15inch alloys which look horrible... ive even seen some people over here getting the Prados' 17inch alloys put on their Hiluxs. Im hoping they will put 17s when it gets updated.... 16s at least... (personally i think like the Prado all Hilix 4x4s should have 17inch rims)<p>And about the whole body being bigger then b4... with all Toyota's new SUVs and Utes (expect the Prado) they all have gotten wider but the wheel tracks seem to remain similar to b4 making them look to wide for their tyre size (width)...maybe they need to expand the front and rear tracks more.... they have that same problem with the camry but they kinda fixed it by doin that</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Prado is 50% more expensive than Hilux... at least. In fact, top version prado has price of two top hiluxes... Hilux is workers car, not some fashion pickup, although it looks pretty damn good.<p>They will be releasing new 172hp diesel and more equipment version later on this year... First models they released were mostly basic models with basic engines... Which is what people around here buy anyway.... If someone wants to spend top money on something big, they get Prado around these parts...

vasia
09-22-2006, 12:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><A HREF="http://www.toyota.co.za/models/viewrange.aspx?id=hilux" TARGET="_blank">http://www.toyota.co.za/models...hilux</A><p>South Africa gets the same IMV Hilux as Australia man... no different and thats the one we're talkin about</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ah ok, I get it now.<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the IMV Hilux based on the 4Runner/Prado chassis? If so, I would think the platform is more than capable.

antman
09-22-2006, 05:05 PM
I wasn't just meaning the actual wheel, but the wheel/tyre combination overall seems much smaller than before.

spwolf
09-22-2006, 05:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>vasia</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ah ok, I get it now.<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the IMV Hilux based on the 4Runner/Prado chassis? If so, I would think the platform is more than capable.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes it is, it is based on 4runner chahis (which is cheaper version of Prado chasis)... Unless Argetinian one is made out of straw :-).<p>One that we started selling 8-9 months ago, and had chance to repair parts of after journalists scraped the body on trails, is pretty damn tough. Looking underside, everything is big and beefy. Truck gave impression of the rock.

spwolf
09-22-2006, 05:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>antman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wasn't just meaning the actual wheel, but the wheel/tyre combination overall seems much smaller than before.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>it might, but at the same time, versions that were released first were really cheap versions. Even Double Cab model with most equipment doesnt have factory radio... People buying it for work could give ratz ars about how big wheels are... in fact, they would want smaller wheels.<p>New version coming out later on this year will have beefier engine, much more equipment inside, and 17" alloy wheels, like Prado... But I doubt many people will buy it, at least in Europe, where these trucks are almost entirely workers trucks.

scorpio14
09-22-2006, 06:44 PM
Australia just recieved the turbo diesel update.... Kws when up to 126kws (close to 172hp) and im guessing the Prado here is gettiing the same upgrade too coz its 98kw TD is being updated in Decemeber.<p>Over here the top of range Hilux SR5 4x4 dual cab TD is priced at AU$52grand for the Auto. The Prado Grande Auto (top-of range) TD is AU$73grand.... so maybe Australia is getting ripped off with the Hilux SR5 considering its still got nuthin in it really and no im not expecting Grande style features but somethin that justifies that price would be good... (at least they put foglights on it now)<p>on the LC130.... if its to have the 4.0L V6 from the Prado as the entry engine.... will it be mated with a 6-speed auto or the Prado's 5speed.

antman
09-24-2006, 02:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it might, but at the same time, versions that were released first were really cheap versions. Even Double Cab model with most equipment doesnt have factory radio... People buying it for work could give ratz ars about how big wheels are... in fact, they would want smaller wheels.<p>New version coming out later on this year will have beefier engine, much more equipment inside, and 17" alloy wheels, like Prado... But I doubt many people will buy it, at least in Europe, where these trucks are almost entirely workers trucks.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That may be so in Europe, or here in the city, but off road a bigger tyre/wheel combo = greater groundclearance which the previous model had.

spwolf
09-24-2006, 06:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>antman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That may be so in Europe, or here in the city, but off road a bigger tyre/wheel combo = greater groundclearance which the previous model had.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>which is why you would always get steel wheels for off road, and not alloys... right? :-). Which are 16".

spwolf
09-24-2006, 06:20 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Australia just recieved the turbo diesel update.... Kws when up to 126kws (close to 172hp) and im guessing the Prado here is gettiing the same upgrade too coz its 98kw TD is being updated in Decemeber.<p>Over here the top of range Hilux SR5 4x4 dual cab TD is priced at AU$52grand for the Auto. The Prado Grande Auto (top-of range) TD is AU$73grand.... so maybe Australia is getting ripped off with the Hilux SR5 considering its still got nuthin in it really and no im not expecting Grande style features but somethin that justifies that price would be good... (at least they put foglights on it now)<p>on the LC130.... if its to have the 4.0L V6 from the Prado as the entry engine.... will it be mated with a 6-speed auto or the Prado's 5speed.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If it has 4.0 V6, it will have 5 speed for sure... thats pretty nice and new 5 speed transmission. We have one V6 4 speed Prado and its decent too, 5 speed is just a lot smarter and faster.<p>It all depends on what equipment they have - our top Hilux is not SR5 grade, it has 122hp and doesnt have cd player.<p>On the other hand, our top Prado has air suspension, navigation, electric seats, moonroof, perforated leather, etc, you get the idea...

scorpio14
09-24-2006, 05:10 PM
Yeah our Prado V6 has a 5-speed auto and 6-speed manual... so the LC130 will definetly have that... though a 6 speed auto would be tops as alot of Toyota new V6 cars are 6 speed now. All the 5 speedin the Prado is missing is triptonic hopefully the LC130 will get it.<p>In UK they brought out a new 3.0L diesel into the Prado... its like 150kws adn 470Nms.... but i think its only a limited edition model... that would be really nice for the Prado/Hilux with a 5-speed auto and 6-speed manual... over here we out have 126kws/343Nms and 4speed auto and 5speed manual. Such engine could even be used in the LC130 in the entry spec models (like the Patrol offers 3.0l and 4.2l diesel)<p>Will the diesel in the 130series only be Twin Turbo 4.4L V8 or will there be a single Turbo version too... I here the a new LC78series is coming out next year and it will be using the 4.4L turbo diesel engine to replace the current diesels... it also meantion that it will be built on a similar flatform as the new LC130 so it can fit the new engine, though styling will remain similar so now but with new bumpers or somthin like that.... thatll be interesting and also considering a 5door wagon version is comin out here MAYBE there will be no LC130series Standard version like they offer now

bolita
09-25-2006, 08:02 AM
I wonder if they'll update the 4.5L 24 valve straight six to better compete with the Patrols 4.8L. It would make sense to have a 6sp manual if they change or update the 4.5L IMHO....

gillani
09-25-2006, 04:25 PM
how could you proove that your prado model has got air suspension with a live axil technology kindly proove me that and show me the company fitted pictures

gillani
09-25-2006, 04:33 PM
there are rumours at <A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com</A> about the toyotas new v8 diesel that it will be only in tundra and sequioa and it will be only for american market and for the vey first time in 50 years it will be bought from an american manufacturer and might be a japanese one like hino n isuzu

spwolf
09-25-2006, 04:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gillani</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how could you proove that your prado model has got air suspension with a live axil technology kindly proove me that and show me the company fitted pictures</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Prado has independent double wishbone front suspension and fourlink back suspension. Our best models use latest TEMS air suspension. You can find that info on any European Toyota website...

spwolf
09-25-2006, 04:56 PM
p.s. why should Autoblog know anything about LC? They dont have news, they just post news from other sites...

anonms
09-25-2006, 05:13 PM
Well, they probably got them off of that Arabian website...

scorpio14
09-25-2006, 08:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wonder if they'll update the 4.5L 24 valve straight six to better compete with the Patrols 4.8L. It would make sense to have a 6sp manual if they change or update the 4.5L IMHO....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i think this straight six engine (like those that were in the Lexus's) are in the past.... the 4.0L V6 will replace it and a V8

Hornbag
09-25-2006, 11:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gillani</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there are rumours at about the toyotas new v8 diesel that it will be only in tundra and sequioa</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What a waste. Put it into a Turbo Diesel sports car and build something to get the heart beating!

gillani
09-26-2006, 02:04 PM
its a TOYOTA ELECTRONIC MODULATED SUSPENSION (TEMS) for your kind information its not an air suspension with those proper air bags instead of normal coil springs , its a simple coil sprung suspension with height control only because of shock absorbers and there is no air suspension mystery in it like the superb range rovers and now landrovers and many other giants

spwolf
09-26-2006, 07:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>gillani</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its a TOYOTA ELECTRONIC MODULATED SUSPENSION (TEMS) for your kind information its not an air suspension with those proper air bags instead of normal coil springs , its a simple coil sprung suspension with height control only because of shock absorbers and there is no air suspension mystery in it like the superb range rovers and now landrovers and many other giants</TD></TR></TABLE><p>what are you talking about? it has active air suspension, same as Land Cruiser 100, only it is is limited to the back of the car... Yes, the system is called TEMS.<p>You have no clue what you are talking about... reasearch a bit more and then talk about "giants"

bolita
09-27-2006, 08:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think this straight six engine (like those that were in the Lexus's) are in the past.... the 4.0L V6 will replace it and a V8</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I doubt it. The 4.5L straight six is used across a wide variety of "old" body applications (such as the LC pick up, SWB and LWD "jeep" types) for rugged high torque at low RPM (needed for true off road capability).<p>I'd surprised if they drop the 4.0L V6 instead of the 4.5L straight six.

Hornbag
09-28-2006, 12:09 AM
Well the LandCruiser pickup (ute) was due for a facelift at the bare minamum a long time ago. Maybe Toyota are planning an updated version of their ironic ute and will drop the 4L petrol unit in it? Hopefully they don't screw that formula up.....

scorpio14
09-28-2006, 12:21 AM
Ive read that there will be a new Landcruiser 78series (pickup) next year... i think styling will stay the same with changes here and there... but the engines will be replaced with whatever the LC130series gets... i read itll have a V8 Turbo Diesel... what other engines itll have i dont know.<p>the 4.5L straight six might stay i dont know... if not then i can only guess the LC78series will get the 4.0L V6 or maybe the 4.7L V8... I know that the new LC78series will be getting a wider body or somethin to be able to fit in the new turbo diesel so there is possibility these petrol engines could find their way into it

Hornbag
09-28-2006, 12:28 AM
Oh wicked. I've developed a real liking to the 78 Series Cruiser' but I hope they do something with the front and inside. They better keep it tough feeling though, but I'd like a hint of that Tundra nose in it. I recon the face of the Tundra is so cool and in-your-face.

scorpio14
09-28-2006, 12:50 AM
I can only c them changing the lights, grille and front bumper (like a facelift)... and i too hope it has an all new interior but keeping its current look (somthin like the new FJ-cruiser in the US)<p>Itll be interesting though... i hope its more then a facelift and they so something like what they did with the US FJ-cruiser... keep the retro styling but modernize it

Superfresa
09-28-2006, 01:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh wicked. I've developed a real liking to the 78 Series Cruiser' but I hope they do something with the front and inside. They better keep it tough feeling though, but I'd like a hint of that Tundra nose in it. I recon the face of the Tundra is so cool and in-your-face.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Give the man a drink! Somebody's whacked some sense into him!<p>Good on ya mate. I told you, Land Cruiser's rock. So far, anyway. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Where's Naga?

bolita
09-28-2006, 03:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ive read that there will be a new Landcruiser 78series (pickup) next year... i think styling will stay the same with changes here and there... but the engines will be replaced with whatever the LC130series gets... i read itll have a V8 Turbo Diesel... what other engines itll have i dont know.<p>the 4.5L straight six might stay i dont know... if not then i can only guess the LC78series will get the 4.0L V6 or maybe the 4.7L V8... I know that the new LC78series will be getting a wider body or somethin to be able to fit in the new turbo diesel so there is possibility these petrol engines could find their way into it</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well I suppose Toyota needs to replace that anemic 4.2L Diesel in the lower models. The current TD is not available in the pick up, correct?<p>A V8 TD seems like overkill for the pick up and Long Body IMHO but given that its nearest competitor, the Defender, has a small 2.4L Toyota is still better prepared for NGOs and true off roaders....

Hornbag
09-30-2006, 04:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I told you, Land Cruiser's rock. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wouldn't say they 'rock.' They are unrefined, heavy, slow, ugly and boring. But I supose that's their charm <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I supose all the <I>really</I> need is a facelift considering they wouldn't sell that many. But IMHO, a new inside is essentual. As long as they don't give it a plasticy HiLux inside, while improveing those massve shutlines and gaps it should be all good. The car needs new indicator lamps too, they neeed to be rounded and more incorperated into the design rather that looking like an after thought. And those round healights need to be killed. A Tundra inspired grille too please!

spwolf
09-30-2006, 09:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I wouldn't say they 'rock.' They are unrefined, heavy, slow, ugly and boring. But I supose that's their charm <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I supose all the <I>really</I> need is a facelift considering they wouldn't sell that many. But IMHO, a new inside is essentual. As long as they don't give it a plasticy HiLux inside, while improveing those massve shutlines and gaps it should be all good. The car needs new indicator lamps too, they neeed to be rounded and more incorperated into the design rather that looking like an after thought. And those round healights need to be killed. A Tundra inspired grille too please!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>why would Land Cruiser have Hilux (car that is 4x-5x cheaper?) interior? lol.<p>Hey, Land cruiser is going to suck if it has centre mounted gauges like Yaris!!!!!!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
09-30-2006, 10:08 PM
I think he was talking about the LC78seires not LC130series in terms of interior. <p>I dont think the LC78 will get styling featured from the Tundra... more likely from the new FJ-Cruiser... which is not a bad thing at all coz its a modernised retro look that the LC78 should keep imo.<p>I hope with the LC130 they discontinue the 'standard' version (with the refrigerator style rear boot doors) they offer here and instead offer a LC78series 5 door wagon to replace it... then they can just focus on the LC130 to have style, luxury and sportiness to it... instead making it look like a big bulky truck like SUV. I also think 18s-19s should be standard for this new range (and the LX550 have 19s-20s)

Hornbag
10-01-2006, 04:38 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>why would Land Cruiser have Hilux (car that is 4x-5x cheaper?) interior? lol.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As scorpio stated, I was refering to the 78 Series. I'd hardly call the 100 Series unrefined, it's pretty refined for what it is. It's pretty smooth too.<p>But the 'Standard' version is sold to Telstra and other fleets in Australia. Infact my mom owns an 80 Series 'Standard' version, DX whatever you call it. They still need it IMO. And having 18 inch wheels on a 'Standard' version wouldn't quite be effective out west if you know what I mean.

ToyotaFreak
10-01-2006, 06:17 AM
Looks like Toyota Australia should reconsider bringing in the Fortuner for the business fleets (And also for customers who want something in between the Prado & Kluger.).

Hornbag
10-01-2006, 07:39 AM
That actually makes a lot of sence ToyotaFreak. That would keep the fleets happy, while making the LandCruiser more of a luxury/sports car. Lets face it, most of the 100 Series vehicles are used mainly for the bus run, so maybe this 'soft' Cruiser' is just a reaction to what the consumers want?

scorpio14
10-01-2006, 11:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But the 'Standard' version is sold to Telstra and other fleets in Australia. Infact my mom owns an 80 Series 'Standard' version, DX whatever you call it. They still need it IMO. And having 18 inch wheels on a 'Standard' version wouldn't quite be effective out west if you know what I mean.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well thats y im saying that they should replace the LC100 Standard (which Telstra and other fleets in Australia buy) with a 5door wagon version of the 78series... such a car is sold in Japan and it would be a perfect replacement for the LC100series standard.<p>When i mentions 18s-19s standard ... i meant across the new LC130series range IF they discontinued the LC100 Standard version and brought in a LC78series 5door version... i wasnt saying that put 18s on a LC100 'standard' version. Hope that makes sense.<p>On the Fortuner... that would be a good car to have... but there are things i dont like about it....I dislike the interior dash and all (not very SUV-ish more Ute-ish) It should only stay in the Hilux, it needs 17inch wheels and obviously the 4.0L V6 from the Hilux. Other wise itd be nice to have here but then where exactly would it fit in the range... we have the Kluger and Prado already and they would be similar in size to the Fortuner.

ToyotaFreak
10-02-2006, 01:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>On the Fortuner... that would be a good car to have... but there are things i dont like about it....I dislike the interior dash and all (not very SUV-ish more Ute-ish) It should only stay in the Hilux, it needs 17inch wheels and obviously the 4.0L V6 from the Hilux. Other wise itd be nice to have here but then where exactly would it fit in the range... we have the Kluger and Prado already and they would be similar in size to the Fortuner.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was thinking that it could work as an SUV in between the Kluger & LC Prado. What I mean is, for those who wants the "proper" off-road ability & capability of a Prado (Something that a Kluger wouldn't be able to do.) but need something a little smaller (The Fortuner is shorter than the Prado.).<p>Now, let's get back to the original topic, the LC130.<p>It would be interesting to see if the Kinetic Dynamic Supension System from the US-only GX470 (Which was actually Aussie developed from what I've heard.) will make its way on the new LC (In Japan & export markets.).

spwolf
10-03-2006, 06:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ToyotaFreak</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Now, let's get back to the original topic, the LC130.<p>It would be interesting to see if the Kinetic Dynamic Supension System from the US-only GX470 (Which was actually Aussie developed from what I've heard.) will make its way on the new LC (In Japan & export markets.).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wonder about that since KDSS is limited production option too, you cant find them that easily... I am already suprised it is not offered in Prado.<p>On the other hand, there is also an A-S-S used in GS450h, also limited production... A-S-S is electric while KDSS is hydraulic, so KDSS will probably featured in car such as LC.

scorpio14
10-09-2006, 06:05 PM
<A HREF="http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388174" TARGET="_blank">http://www.supraforums.com/for...88174</A><p>Has anyone seen this b4, its from some magazine... got a picture (photoshop) of a LC in it, as well as alota other Toyotas and Lexus's (including a TS250 which is a new one i havent heard about)<p>The LC in it looks good up front, looks Lexus like.... but the rest looks like the current version meaning maybe Toyota is doin a Nissan and Mitsubishi (by changing the front, rear and interior of the Patrol and Pajero in terms of styling for their new SUVs)

spwolf
10-09-2006, 07:27 PM
new LC will be all new... and thhat side profile looks like Prado was used for PhotoShop...

scorpio14
10-10-2006, 01:17 AM
Yeah itll be all new... but i mean the side profile (doors and window shaping) could be carried over and the roofline... and from the spy pics that looks to be the case... but that would be just test mules of the old one using new frontal and lighting

Hornbag
10-11-2006, 04:06 AM
How can Toyota make a financial case for fully redesigning their LandCruiser, and Mitsubishi and Nissan can't? The last time I looked the Pajero was a pretty big seller once you added up all of its worldwide sales. Not too sure about the Patrol, but it does well in Australia.

Superfresa
10-11-2006, 07:15 AM
The Patrol Owners like it as it is.<p>Mitsubishi is broke.<p>Toyota doesn't know what to do with the money overflowing its banks, so they thought they might as well throw in a new Land Cruiser.

nismo
10-11-2006, 07:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can Toyota make a financial case for fully redesigning their LandCruiser, and Mitsubishi and Nissan can't? The last time I looked the Pajero was a pretty big seller once you added up all of its worldwide sales. Not too sure about the Patrol, but it does well in Australia.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I guess you didn't see the concept Nissan had for the next Patrol. Not only will be a new Patrol, the next Infiniti QX56 will most likely be based on it.<p>Toyota has the money to do pretty much whatever it wants also I expect the LandCruiser to share a lot of its basic tech with the other full size Toyota trucks.

carcazy
10-13-2006, 06:11 PM
<br>Hi you'll<p>just suffin the net and found this website on the 2007 lc.<p><A HREF="http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/09/27/toyota-land-cruiser-2007-spy-pictures/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonlawvehicle.com%2Fwordpr ess%2F2006%2F09%2F27%2F238.html&frame=true" TARGET="_blank">http://www.netscape.com/viewst...=true</A><br>

spwolf
10-13-2006, 06:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can Toyota make a financial case for fully redesigning their LandCruiser, and Mitsubishi and Nissan can't? The last time I looked the Pajero was a pretty big seller once you added up all of its worldwide sales. Not too sure about the Patrol, but it does well in Australia.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Compared to various Land Cruiser versions, both Mitsu and Nissan compareble vehicles sell a lot less around the world than LC...<p>It all comes to priority - what will you invest your money in... and Toyota has to prioritise their engineering teams, but not their budgets. Thats why they are pumping out so many new models.

anonms
10-13-2006, 08:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carcazy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi you'll<p>just suffin the net and found this website on the 2007 lc.<p><A HREF="http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/09/27/toyota-land-cruiser-2007-spy-pictures/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonlawvehicle.com%2Fwordpr ess%2F2006%2F09%2F27%2F238.html&frame=true" TARGET="_blank">http://www.netscape.com/viewst...=true</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's the LX proto...

jhaber
10-24-2006, 06:39 AM
More of the same....<p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/jcf/spyphotoID/6061024.001/toyota/spy-photos-new-toyota-landcruiser" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...uiser</A><p>Looks like that bulge in the back is gone though, that's good news<p>*

scorpio14
10-31-2006, 01:06 AM
<A HREF="http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=21301&vf=12" TARGET="_blank">http://www.drive.com.au/Editor...vf=12</A><p>This article states that the LC100 replacement will be called LC200series... also itll have a 4.5L V8 Twin Turbo Diesel (not 4.4L) and the 4.0L V6 (from Prado) and the 4.7L V8 might be replaced by a 5.0L... <p>more stuff mentioned in it too

boston
10-31-2006, 01:53 AM
Belgian number plates? <p>The exhaust looks like a drain pipe! <p>I would suggest that its a mule testing the v8 diesel. A 4.5 liter twin turbo diesel would be enough to scare the duramax pants of GM, and power up a stroke at ford (sorry couldn't resist), especially if Toyota is able to make good use of the nearly one liter greater capacity than the FORD/Peugeot 3.6 V8 Diesel twin turbo whose outputs amaze me.<p>If true, this is no tentative step into the Detroit's exclusive territory of big diesel pickups. Toyota seems to have taken the gloves off with this engine and is going all out.<p>Not good news for the folks in Michigan at FORD/DC/GM

scorpio14
10-31-2006, 02:43 AM
In the article is says<p>"<I>the all-new 'Cruiser will employ a powerful V8 turbo-diesel engine</I>" and then later it says "<I> Measuring 4.5 litres in capacity with <B>a turbocharger for each bank of cylinders</B> , the 200 will generate more than 200kW. But much more impressively, the torque figure will be 650Nm.</I>" <p>Does that mean it will be Twin Turbo... or is it single turbo (as the first part states)?<p>Ford/Peugeots engine produces 199kws and 640Nms... so for a engine thats almost a litre bigger then this... u would hope there would be alot more Kws and Nms... im hoping 230kws and only having 10Nms more aint that good IMO

Hornbag
10-31-2006, 04:29 AM
Looking at those figures, I'm betting the second twin-turbo indicator is a missprint. Single Turbo sounds more realistic. This is Toyota you know, putting a Twin-Turbo on it's big 4WD while their sporty sedans get normal V6 engines would be horrific!<p>But knowing Toyota, no matter what the numbers say, it will be a very good engine. Their current Turbo Diesel is fantastic when mated to the 100 Series Land Cruiser, so image a newer car with an even better mated engine.

spwolf
11-01-2006, 04:12 AM
p.s. article says current LC engine has only 357nm of torque? Is that true for AU? Since it has 430nm in Europe.

Hornbag
11-01-2006, 05:17 AM
Nope. I'm sure torque levels for the Cruiser' are at either 410Nm or 430Nm.

scorpio14
12-06-2006, 03:27 AM
<A HREF="http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/609F4E606E88A30DCA25723C0002BBF1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.goauto.com.au/mello...2BBF1</A><p>"Diesel power will certainly be at the forefront of Toyota's mind when it offers a taste-test of a bullocking new V8 turbo-diesel, which is destined to power Toyota's 100-Series LandCruiser replacement here by late 2007  but will first debut in the upgraded and expanded 70-Series LandCruiser workhorse range set for release here before June.<p>GoAuto sources indicate a 195kW/620Nm single-turbo version destined for Toyota's US-market Tundra pickup will power the updated leaf-sprung 70-Series models here.<p>Apart from the decades-old 79-Series cab-chassis ute and the iconic two-door 78-Series Troop Carrier (which will continue in three- six- and 11-seat configurations), Toyota will introduce an all-new 76-Series wagon derivative for the first time  complete with five doors, five seats, a lower roof than Troopy and a wider body than 100-Series wagon.<p>All three trucks will come exclusively with a five-speed manual transmission and part-time 4WD system.<p><B>Mated to a six-speed Aisin automatic gearbox, an even more powerful twin-turbo version of the 70-Series' yet-to-appear 4.5-litre diesel V8 will emerge in the LandCruiser 200-Series, as the 100-Series replacement will be known.<p>With more than 200kW and 650Nm of torque on tap, the standard 200-Series diesel engine will make the 4.2-litre straight-six diesel in the current 100-Series look positively anaemic, but a more powerful 5.0-litre-plus V8  up from 4.7 and possibly featuring direct-injection  will also power the next-generation Cruiser.<p>Snapped during testing recently in the Middle East, the 200 body will be slightly larger but remains bolted to a full ladder chassis with all-coil suspension, comprising double front wishbones and a live rear axle to maintain rock-hopping ability.<p>It will also debut a version of the Australian-developed Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS) already offered with the US-only Lexus GX470 (Prado). </B>" <p>source: GoAuto.com.au<p>So the 200series will have a Twin-Turbo V8 Diesel while the 70series range will be getting a Single-Turbo V8 Diesel.... I wonder if Toyota will offer the Single-Turbo version in the 200series too<p>Also has all models being launched in Australia next year

knicks125
01-23-2007, 11:07 AM
<A HREF="http://www.trucktrend.com/future/spied/163_0702_toyota_land_cruiser_lexus_lx_570" TARGET="_blank">http://www.trucktrend.com/futu...x_570</A>/

Tidal
02-12-2007, 08:46 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots_and_Future_Cars/2009_Toyota_Land_Cruiser_Spy_Shots.S178.A11897.htm l" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A> <p><A HREF="http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/jcf/spyphotoID/6070213.003/toyota/spy-photos-more-new-toyota-landcruiser" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldcarfans.com/sp...uiser</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tidal at 12:22 PM 2/13/2007</i>

Superfresa
02-13-2007, 09:25 PM
The Interior looks Promising. Well the dash. 3rd row of seats is probably going to be old and tight, judging by the old cabin shape from the pics. There's no way 7 will fit properly. Damnit.<p>New Diesel will be a welcome addition, even if its barely ground-breaking. <p>Newfound low ride height is a bummer. We dont all want OME 2" Lifts in our vehicles, and the LC100 has gone Soft enough already.<p>Cant wait to see it, but I'm not getting my hopes up too much.

the1
02-14-2007, 01:17 AM
LC100 meets Touareg... not good.

spwolf
02-14-2007, 05:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Interior looks Promising. Well the dash. 3rd row of seats is probably going to be old and tight, judging by the old cabin shape from the pics. There's no way 7 will fit properly. Damnit.<p>New Diesel will be a welcome addition, even if its barely ground-breaking. <p>Newfound low ride height is a bummer. We dont all want OME 2" Lifts in our vehicles, and the LC100 has gone Soft enough already.<p>Cant wait to see it, but I'm not getting my hopes up too much.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>heh, that V8 diesel is built for work truck, not for LC. Toyota has 4cly diesels with more torque than that :-). Lowering? It has air suspension.<br>And LC shape is perfect for maximum interior usage... It is an box at the back.

spwolf
02-14-2007, 05:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>the1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LC100 meets Touareg... not good.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Touareg? huh?

Superfresa
02-14-2007, 08:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>heh, that V8 diesel is built for work truck, not for LC. Toyota has 4cly diesels with more torque than that :-). Lowering? It has air suspension.<br>And LC shape is perfect for maximum interior usage... It is an box at the back.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>True. It is a work truck engine, but those figures are pretty average anyway.<p>Air Suspension? Cool! That's a great addition. Are you sure? I wonder where they got the idea from *cough*.<p>The roof line is too low in the back for adequately carrying passengers/cargo. The design of the cabin itself seems a bit old. I'm just hoping it's not like the Prado and LC100 where the third row of seats can only be folded up because the design of the seating is so primitive that fold flat seats aren't possible. Here's hoping. Even the Commander has them....

anonms
02-14-2007, 09:11 PM
Look, Fresa. I know you love Land Rovers, but really now. You're a MODERATOR. You're supposed to be STOPPING these kinds of things, not being the source. Just because Land Rovers have air suspensions doesn't mean that every other SUV copied them. I don't care if you have a vendetta against Toyota because you don't like the direction they're going in. You are entitled to your opinion, yes, but please. Share the love equally if you're going to at all.

Superfresa
02-14-2007, 09:37 PM
But what am I saying that is to dislike? I said that Air suspension is a welcome improvement, and that the idea was taken off Land Rover (was it not?). There are many other manufacturers out there who liked the idea of air suspension too, so its not only Toyota that decided to do what the Range Rover did. But still, it should be said that that's where the idea comes from.<p>What should I be stopping as a moderator? Is anyone bashing any car here? Or engaging in irrelevant conversation in this thread?<p>I believe the only thing said was that Air suspension was cool, and its an idea taken off Land Rover, just like Porsche, Volkswagen, and many other manufacturers did. Its not a huge deal, or a huge accusation, and please do tell me if you think it's irrelevant, and how its irrelevant....

anonms
02-14-2007, 09:42 PM
I do think it's relevant, but I guess it's the attitude that you project that's bugging me. Particularly since I don't really recall you being this (dare I say it) troll-ish until your Camry problems.

Superfresa
02-14-2007, 10:07 PM
Meh, the Camry is gone and overall it was a happy ownership. And I do mean it.<p>Toyota is still one of my favourite manufacturers believe it or not (after a brief period when I became un-attatched to their arrogance), but I hate that their SUVs are going soft and all their cars are going so mainstream. But Yaris, Rav4, Land Cruiser, Hilux, Aurion, Tarago, Prado and new Camry are all vehicles I like and would like to love even further. <p>I've had no troubles in complaining about Land Rover's un-reliability in the past, nor have I stayed quiet about Holden's Awesome commodore's crap transmission, nor have I stayed quiet when I spot problems in any other vehicle I love.<p>I guess my style is a bit more light-hearted than it might appear here, so if you want to understand what I say, just laugh it up a little. I'm still blown away about a new Land Cruiser with a TTDV8but I wont stay quiet about it not being able to innovate, or quite catch the drift in terms of practical and versatile design.<p>I'm not sitting here frowning and shaking my fist at Toyota, I'm sitting here relaxing and discussing about cars. If you know what I mean.<p><br>Sorry, but I dont see how it's irrelevant to mention that Land Rover spent billions in developing Air Suspension, and have been improving and improving it, hence all Toyota has to do now is use the bennefits of LR's development in their favour by adding it to the competing vehicles now that its developed. Its happened before with millions of other things so I dont see what the problem is.<p>Its just the way it works in the car world IMO.<p>And sorry about my "attitude" but I guess you have to take it cooler mate, because I'm not turning red in anger every time I post. I really have no remaining issue with Toyota.

knicks125
03-02-2007, 02:25 PM
<A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/spy/spy-photos-toyota-land-cruiser-200-se-predstavi-jiz-na-podzim.html" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/spy/spy-ph....html</A><p>Gallery: <A HREF="http://news.auto.cz/?sekce=foto&ga_uid=GI_45d1c5cc38ecb&ga_id=GH_45d1c5cc10d58" TARGET="_blank">http://news.auto.cz/?sekce=fot...10d58</A>

scorpio14
03-03-2007, 01:30 AM
All i wonna know is whether this car will have the VVTi 4.7l V8 that the US have currently or a new V8.. I hear itll have the 4.7L but ive also read itll have somethin like a 5.0L... which i hope is correct. If it does have the 4.7L i hope they can get at aleast 250kws/460Nms out of it... anythin less just suxs... and i hope its dual VVTi.<p>This im really looking forward to seeing.... the Highlander/Kluger, i'm liking alot more then i did when i first saw it... but i hope they do a better job styling this.

Superfresa
03-03-2007, 10:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All i wonna know is whether this car will have the VVTi 4.7l V8 that the US have currently or a new V8.. I hear itll have the 4.7L but ive also read itll have somethin like a 5.0L... which i hope is correct. If it does have the 4.7L i hope they can get at aleast 250kws/460Nms out of it... anythin less just suxs... and i hope its dual VVTi.<p>This im really looking forward to seeing.... the Highlander/Kluger, i'm liking alot more then i did when i first saw it... but i hope they do a better job styling this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the 4.7 Liter current V8 is confirmed. Which is a shame because 1- It's an old, old unit, and 2 - It'll be completely out-performed, out-classed and out-run by the TTDV8.<p>I think Toyota's solution is to go with the Prado's V6 (Confirmed) And then put a Supercharger on it to get a better performing version, and dumping the V8...<p>That Cruiser is looking better than I thought at the beggining, But I must admit that I'm worried about it looking too much like a Highlander/Kluger, which is a bit of a worry....

scorpio14
03-04-2007, 12:14 AM
Well if the 4.7L is confirmed... itll be the VVTi version sold in the US. So at least we know itll have at least 200Kws and 420Nms... which is crap... but better then 170 and 410....<p>I was hoping theyd bring out a dual VVTi 4.0L V6 (and put into Prado and Hilux too).... with 210kws and 385Nms.... but with this V8 its very unlikely... unless they dual VVTi it and get around 235kw and 455Kws<br>

ndjan
03-04-2007, 12:37 AM
It looks a lot longer.<br>Personally I think it would have been nicer for it to have been a grown-up FJ Cruiser. It would snatch up people from the Land Rover and Hummer crowds.

mzoltarp
03-04-2007, 05:49 AM
The Sequoia will remain more relevant to the US market. <br>

Comrade
03-04-2007, 08:33 AM
You guys talking about LR's drew a LandRover owner website ad to the banner. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
03-04-2007, 08:10 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys talking about LR's drew a LandRover owner website ad to the banner. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wasn't me, I promise! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>In my defence, Its not my fault that Toyota suspiciously went with the name "Land Cruiser" After Rover went with "Land Rover", which is also why we're dragging those banners here!. That isn't a case of discussion though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
03-07-2007, 08:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But what am I saying that is to dislike? I said that Air suspension is a welcome improvement, and that the idea was taken off Land Rover (was it not?). </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont know what you are talking about. Old/current LC100 has had full air suspension and Prado has air suspension in the back.<p>I suggest that you educate yourself on topics you are talking about, and then nobody will get annoyed :-).

spwolf
03-07-2007, 08:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>New Diesel will be a welcome addition, even if its barely ground-breaking. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>nobody knows what are you talking about anymore... as I pointed out, Toyota has best 4cly on the market with Prado, very little doubt that V8 will be very much ground breaking.

Superfresa
03-07-2007, 11:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I dont know what you are talking about. Old/current LC100 has had full air suspension and Prado has air suspension in the back.<p>I suggest that you educate yourself on topics you are talking about, and then nobody will get annoyed :-).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And Land Rover has had it since 1994.... Why do I need to get educated in wether Toyota has used air suspension for the last couple of years? Land Rover has used it for 13 years now, plus, they developed it. Plus, nobody's blaming toyota for using air suspension, in fact, I'm quite glad.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>nobody knows what are you talking about anymore... as I pointed out, Toyota has best 4cly on the market with Prado, very little doubt that V8 will be very much ground breaking.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I've got infront of me a copy of '4X4 Australia" Magazine and it's opened to the page with the spec sheet for the new Land Cruiser TDV8.<p>Power is 151kW, a <B>staggering</B> 29kw more that the 6 Cylinder Turbodiesel it replaces.<p>Torque, on the other hand, is a lot better news. It produces 430Nm of torque. An absolutely mind-blowingly <B>50Nm</B> over its predecessor.<p>Sound good, right? I mean, after all, that IS a pretty good improvement...<p>So <B>Nobody</B> knows what I'm talking about when I say that its a welcome addition but barely a ground breaking engine? <p><br><U><br><B><br>Here's my explanation, Proof, and Research:</B></U><p>Can I, for the purpose of the exercise compare a few engines with you? They're all workhorse engines:<p>Note that I haven't even picked the ultra modern, high tech diesels, just the old workhorse engines, of which, Toyota's is the newest!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>* Ford Ranger Diesel (3.0 TDi) Power: 115kW, Torque: 380Nm<br>38.3kW/Lt , 126.7Nm/Lt<p>* Jeep Liberty/Cherokee Diesel (2.8 CRD) Power: 120kW Torque: 400Nm<p>42.9kW/Lt, 142.9Nm/Lt<p>* Land Rover Defender (2.5 TD5): Power: 90kW Torque: 300Nm<p>36kW/Lt, 120Nm/Lt<p>* Mitsubishi Triton (3.2 DI-D): Power: 118kW, Torque: 347Nm<p>36.9kW/Lt, 108Nm/Lt<p>* Nissan Patrol (3.0D) Power: 118kW, Torque: 380Nm<p>39.3kW/Lt, 126.7Nm/Lt<p>* Ssangyong Rexton (2.7 TDi): Power: 121kW, Torque: 340Nm<p>44.8kW/Lt, 125Nm/Lt<p>* Toyota Prado (3.0 Diesel): Power: 127kW, Torque 410Nm<p>42.3kW/Lt, 136.7Nm/Lt<p>* Toyota Land Cruiser 78 Troopcarrier (4.2TDi) - the engine it replaces: Power: 122kW, Torque: 380Nm<p>29kW/Lt, 90Nm/Lt<p>* NEW TDV8 Toyota Engine (4.5TDV8): Power: 151kW, Torque: 430Nm<p>33.5kW/Lt, 95.5Nm/Lt<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Old TD6 Engine aside, The new TDV8 is the one with least KW/Lt and least Nm/Lt.<p>Source: 4X4 Australia Magazine.<p>Can someone, honestly, put their hand to their heart and say, <B>Superfresa, you're being biased in saying the figures are a bit disappointing?</B><p><br>I mean, am I way out of line in expecting more like, 550Nm - 600Nm of torque and 180Kw - 200kW of power?<p><br>Please do show me how this quote is the case?<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> nobody knows what are you talking about anymore<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Can anyone explain where I'm out of line, or where I need to research more?

Superfresa
03-07-2007, 11:42 PM
Note: The TDV8 in the Land Cruiser 200 is the same as the one in the just revealed Land Cruiser 70 Series, (see above) but with another Turbo. It replaces the current 151kW, 430Nm 6 cylinder turbodiesel in the Land Cruiser 100 Series.<p>Which means the new Turbodiesel V8 is a grand total of 1 kW more powerful and 0Nm torquier than the previous TDV6 in it's best output configuration.<p>Disappointing?<p>Apparently, no.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
03-08-2007, 02:18 AM
I agree with u... it is dissappointing... but if this exact engine without another turbo were to go into the LC200... You would expect to c more Kws and Nms then whats in the LC78 (similar to how the current 4.2L TD in the LC100 has more power then the one that was in the LC78)<p>Im alright with the Kws... BUT what really suxs fa me is that the Nms is still less then 450Nms. These dayz a petrol engine 4.5L would produce at least 420-450Nms... yet a Turbo Diesel cant get past the 450Nms mark.<p>For this kind of ute/truck... i would have been happen with 160Kws and 500Nms and also a 6speed manual if it didnt get one.... and if the LC200 were to use it, 200Kws and 550Nms would be right... and for the Twin Turbo... at least 230-40Kws and 650-700Nms.<p>Audi's 4.2L TD produces some 240Kws and 750Nms.... so if the Twin Turbo 4.5L V8 in the LC200 doesnt match or better it... thatll sux

Superfresa
03-08-2007, 02:43 AM
I'll be the first to agree that 151kW in a Troopie (Land Cruiser 78) Is a good thing, especially with 430Nm as well. But what I had issues with is with the relative output when compared to size. Thats where it's disappointing for me - Although Spwolf reckons nobody knows what I'm going on about for some reason...<p>Did I make it clear enough?<p>LC200, Which will PROBABLY have a Twin-Turbodiesel V8 (Oh yeah!) which, I reckon, will HAVE to push it past the 200kW barrier, with at least 500Nm. So the twin-tuirbodiesel will hopefully have the output I expected out of the single turbo version...<p>A few disappointments about the new Land Cruiser, appart from the low output engine, are its part time 4X4 (How old is that?) and the Drum rear brakes! How can a 2.5 Tonne beast still have drum brakes in the XXI'st century? Also, this is discussable, but Leaf springs just dont cut it for me in this century...<p>On the plus side, It's still incredibly tough, and incredibly capable, but it seems like they're not going anywhere with these changes...<p>LC200, on the other hand, sounds very promising, despite, again, the relatively low power figures...<p>BTW - In the previous engine comparisson, I didn't even include Land Rover's NEW Diesel, Jeep's NEW Diesel, or even Toyota's new 3.0 Diesel.... So if the single turbo version rates so low against old engines, by the time its in the market, how will it rate against its competitor's new versions?

Naga Royal Guard
03-08-2007, 06:38 PM
odd, the current Land Cruiser has coils in the rear

Superfresa
03-08-2007, 06:50 PM
For some reason, In Australia It doesn't.<p>4X4 Australia Magazine specifically quotes the Rear Suspension as being "Leaf Axle, Leaf Springs, Gas/Oil dampers".<p>Feel free to check it out at Toyota Australia's website, and cross reference it. <p>Let me know If I'm wrong. Perhaps I'm being "Biased" again for suggesting that Leaf Springs and Drum brakes are a bit...er... yesterday. No offense intended, I just want to back up all my info with proof, If I hadn't already, since apparently "Nobody knows what I'm talking about"<p>- Super -<p>Edit: Oh by the way, I'm talking about the Land Cruiser 70 Series here, since that's the car that has just been launched, and the one we have specs on. Typically they've always shared Diesel Powerplants, so its not just random talk either <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Naga Royal Guard
03-08-2007, 07:27 PM
it doesnt surprise me, since the LC is sold only as a higher-end luxury SUV in the states unlike the more modestly equipped models sold in other countries ( and the UN/NGO specials )

Superfresa
03-08-2007, 07:52 PM
I quite like our version - If I'm honest. Its a lot of Value for Money. But the Toyota (70 Series) is charged at a premium rate compared to the Defender and Wrangler, its two direct competitors. And they both have coils and disc brakes... The Toyota Land Cruiser 100 Series is also charged at a Premium rate when Compared to the Nissan Patrol. So It's not a cost-cut option really. I just can't figure out how, at that price, the king of value for money missed the Coil springs and the rear disc brakes....<p><br>Either way, Red TDV8 Land Cruiser 76 Wagon thanks. It should steal sales from even the Prado!<p>Which such competition, One could only Hope Land Rover wakes up sometime within the next century. Hopefully sooner, but thats a long ask for the Defender...<p>As for the Jeep, sounds great, but the Wrangler is yet to prove itself in Australia. Something It'll undoubtfully do now that it has an appropriate size, as opposed to the Toy scale only version of the previous one...

knicks125
03-26-2007, 09:16 PM
Rendering:<p><A HREF="http://www.motorauthority.com/news/suvs/preview-2009-toyota-land-cruiser" TARGET="_blank">http://www.motorauthority.com/...uiser</A>/

FRDesign
03-26-2007, 09:21 PM
Im not likin the rendering. I thought it would look more FJ like.

anonms
03-26-2007, 09:46 PM
I would prefer something more FJC-like than something more Tundra-like.<p>On a totally unrelated note, I went to the Toyota dealership last Saturday cuz the BandWagon (or the minivan) was due for an oil change. I saw a couple of Tundras, and those things are so damn huge, I had to tiptoe to see through the window. X__X

Superfresa
03-26-2007, 11:03 PM
Not bad! As good as the Rav 4 Looks though (Probably Toyota's best design from this century) I hope the LC200 wont look too much like a RAV. It just wouldn't work for a big tough 4X4. I Think a bit of LC76-like styling would be sweet....<p>But that CGI Isn't bad at all!<p>- Super -

scorpio14
03-27-2007, 03:01 AM
The sites down... can someone post it again if they have it or now another site that has it...<p>I really wonna c it...

ocn75
03-28-2007, 03:35 AM
Previous spy photos of test mules suggested that the new 200 series wouldn't look very good, and if these renderings are any guide to what to expect, those fears are going to be realised. IMO, this looks like a facelift of an already old design, and not a particularly great design to begin with, the front, and particularly that crap rear end look worst than the previous model, and then there is that mundane side profile. <p>On a brighter note, should be a ripper of a drive. And no doubt, an expensive one.

ocn75
03-28-2007, 04:05 AM
I don't know about your king of value for money claim. Toyota have been often criticised about the average value for money of their vehicles, however, I accept that their have been some recent exceptions, Aurion and Yaris springing to mind. And I can think of a few manufacturers that offer better value utes / 4WDs, and they aren't necessarily less capable vehicles.

Superfresa
03-28-2007, 04:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ocn75</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Previous spy photos of test mules suggested that the new 200 series wouldn't look very good, and if these renderings are any guide to what to expect, those fears are going to be realised. IMO, this looks like a facelift of an already old design, and not a particularly great design to begin with, the front, and particularly that crap rear end look worst than the previous model, and then there is that mundane side profile. <p>On a brighter note, should be a ripper of a drive. And no doubt, an expensive one.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It'd have to be one helluvan improvement to get into Land Rover Discovery's Price range full on (It currently only overlaps in upper specs). For 60K, you can currently get a better Land Cruiser 100 than you can get a Disco (Mainly due to an old V6 Petrol engine). But at anything over 70K, Nothing comes close to the Discovery, and If Toyota is going to heavily raise the price of the LC200, It better be a Helluva lot better than the current LC100. Air Suspension, EBD, ACE, all the stuff the Disco 2 featured must be standard across the range now, and It better have a better Petrol option than the ageing 4.7L. And of course, TDV8 has to make a lot more than 151kW/430Nm...<p>But I'm hoping it's still a great car, although that design does seem old now. But All will be revealed soon. Untill then, its not a dreadful looker If I'm honest. Obviously nowhere near Disco's design, IMO, but getting better.

spwolf
03-30-2007, 03:03 PM
LC 100 is not an Disco competitor.... It is Range Rover competitor.<p>LC120 is an Disco competitor.<p>I see you still go with that silly 430nm stuff... funny guy.

Superfresa
03-30-2007, 07:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LC 100 is not an Disco competitor.... It is Range Rover competitor.<p>LC120 is an Disco competitor.<p>I see you still go with that silly 430nm stuff... funny guy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Riiiight! <p>Saying that the LC100 is a Range Rover Competitor, is like saying The Mazda 3 is a BMW M5 competitor. You're waaaay out there. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Its the Lexus LX that attempts to compete against the Range Rover, not the Mainstream LC100!<p>Discovery's Length, width, height, wheelbase, weight, towing and cargo capacity, passenger capacity and price are compareable with LC100's.<p>Land Rover no longer has a LC120 competitor - it was the Discovery in the previous gen.<p>I still go with the figures I've read everywhere, including the 4X4 Australia Magazine I am holding in my hand right now, that states that the TDV8's output in the LC76 is 430Nm.<p>Funny?<p>It's unbelieveable how hard it is for you to recognize any criticism of Toyota, isn't it... I've posted figures, taken from real sources, I have explained my point, and I have shown in every detail I can what I am trying to say. And what do you come up with?<p>"The LC100 is a Range Rover competitor, and I'm a funny guy for saying that the TDV8 engine in LC76 form makes 430Nm"....<p>Pffft... Where are your sources, and when are you going to explain your point of view?

scorpio14
03-31-2007, 03:52 AM
<A HREF="http://www.lc70.toyota.com.au" TARGET="_blank">http://www.lc70.toyota.com.au</A>/<br>theres the website for the car<p>I think Spwolf means that he is over the fact it only has 430Nms.... rather then not believing it... <p>I wonder if the LC200 will get a more powerful version of this and a Twin Turbo version or will it only be one of them.<p>I'd like to c a Twin Turbo version in the Lexus LX with more hp and nms then the version in the LC200.... that would be great.

Superfresa
03-31-2007, 05:07 AM
There's only one word for this:<p><br><B>AWESOME!</B><p><IMG SRC="http://www.lc70.toyota.com.au/TWR/content/static/26775.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Look at that! That's what a Toyota should be like!<p>Here's a few very cool things I came across:<p>* It has all round Disc brakes. Tick box. Great stuff!<br>* It has an MP3 radio - Top stuff, for a workhorse 4X4!<br>* Price, for the Fully equiped Wagon, is AU$57,000 which means its expensive, but its a helluva lot of car for the money!<br>* The snorkel is STANDARD!<br>* It looks better than I thought in wagon form!<p>Poor output figures are also confirmed, but I've gone through that so I wont give it more than a passing mention now...<p>Also, Air con isn't standard, unfortunately. Also, the wagon only has 5 seats, though I suppose thats a good move, to stop it from stealing Prado sales. Which means that a fully loaded LC70 with Air Con, will cost over AUD60,000, which is more than an 8 seat Prado...<p>That said, I know which of them I'd drive, given the option! And it isn't the one with airbags....<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Two Thumbs up for Toyota for still being able to do proper cars.

ocn75
03-31-2007, 07:25 PM
Superfresa, I'd like to share your enthusiasm, but...if I was buying a $53,000+ 4WD in 2007, I'd want it to look like it was designed in the 21st century...and to have air conditioning standard...and ABS brakes as standard...and airbags as standard. And the latter 2 you can't even get as options. Doesn't sound so awesome to me. <p>Yes, the new engine, wider track and improved suspension will be worthwhile improvements, but I find it rather insulting that a company with Toyota's reputation and standing offers us a new Landcruiser 4WD at this price without a basic comfort like air conditioning as standard, or basic safety features not even as options. And if the speculation is correct that there will be a significant price hike with the new LandCruiser 200 series, does that mean that Australians will have to fork out in the realm of $70,000+ for a Landcruiser with air, ABS and airbags (this is assuming the 200 series has these features like the 100 series which starts at $62,000 already)? I can only see Landcruiser sales falling further with this logic.<br>

Superfresa
03-31-2007, 07:56 PM
LC200 will deffinitely cost more than 70K, so It will compare more directly with the Discovery 3.<p>ocn75, Whilst 53,000 IS a lot of money for a car like this, it is a lot of car ffor the money. Sure, the slightly superior offroad Defender (hehe) is worth 20% less, with 7 seats, ABS, Aircon, a 6 speed manual and a new Turbodiesel with 360Nm, but the cruiser is a respectable package too. <p>ABS can be a nuissance offroad, which is why it doesn't have it, probably. Of course, ideal would be Switchable ABS, but personally I dont see that omission as so important. Aircon is deffinitely an important omission, especially in Australia. You're kidding yourself if you think you dont need it. <p>Airbags are a nuissance offroad and I'm glad it doesn't have them, Though probably soon they'll have to offer them. The Similarly priced Nissan Patrol Cab Chassis (with all corner coils) still sells reasonably well, so I can see this selling too. A 60K Tough 4X4 Wagon should be an interesting exercise (Wrangler Unlimited Buggy thing will be 40K with the CRD, and Defender 110 is 46K With the new TD4). <p>I guess what this means is that the Prado will move upmarket a little (Leaving room for the LC70 Wagon to move freely) and the LC200 will move upmarket too to compete with the Discovery more evenly.<p>The good thing about all of this, is that with the LC200 aquiring a TDV8, LR might be forced to do the same for the Discovery... Though the LC200 with the TDV8 is highly likely to cost over 100K.<p>I deffinitely find a 20% price increase over a Defender 110 quite steep, but there is a fair bit more power and torque happenning, even though the running gear is not as advanced as Defender's, and the Interior in the Brit is now by miles superior. <p>I'll take one of each, thanks....

ocn75
03-31-2007, 10:01 PM
Fair enough, and I take your points that its allot of car for the money and re the airbags / ABS issue off-road. <p>But the "allot of car for the money" argument can be said about most 4WD's these days and Toyota could at least give buyers the option of safety equipment - I mean, if its OK for its competitors to offer safety equipment, why not Toyota? And as you acknowledge, a/c should be standard. Also, the "similarly priced" Nissan Patrol cab-chassis you refer to is actually $3,000 less in price, and has a/c and 4-wheel coil springs as standard. And the Defender is cheaper than the Patrol again with ABS (110) and air. <p>Yes, the new engine offers class-leading output figures for the price, and it's a Toyota, but is this enough? Toyota are ripping us off IMO - it should be either several thousand dollars cheaper or better equipped.

Superfresa
03-31-2007, 10:31 PM
I agree. The Defender doesn't have airbags either though (Just to mention it).<p>But yes, at 60K, Its deffinitely neither cheap, nor class leading value for money. <p>50K would have been a lot more appropriate...<p>Funny thing is, People will still buy the Toyota, despite the Nissan, Land Rover, and Jeep all being better value for money and just as capable - and better equiped. <p>You even get 7 seats in The Defender 110, and at 49K, The Defender 130 with all corner Coils, Permanent 4X4, A 6 Speed Manual, a 1.5 tonne payload with 3500kg towing capacity, Plus with a great new interior, Aircon AND ABS make the Toyota extremely expensive in comparisson, even if It's only 80-85% of the torque you get In the Cruiser. Partly offset with a 6 Speed Manual...<p>And the Wrangler Unlimited, with Dual Airbags, A Mercedes CRD Engine with more torque and power, 5 seats, 4 Coils and aircon and all the creature comforts, is only 40K to 46K (tbc). And that's in range topping form!<p><br>Yeah the LC70 is deffinitely overpriced.

ndjan
04-03-2007, 10:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>anonms</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would prefer something more FJC-like than something more Tundra-like.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree, that's what the Sequoia is for.

scorpio14
05-18-2007, 06:27 PM
This was posted on TheHollywoodextra.blogspot.com a few dayz ago<p><A HREF="http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/05/new-toyota-land-cruiser.html#comments" TARGET="_blank">http://thehollywoodextra.blogs...ments</A><p>Looks like what we saw in the spy pics that were taken a while bak in the middle east. I really hope it doesnt looks like that... coz it would be the ugliest Toyota that has come out which will sux coz its gonna be around for another 10years.<p>Does anyone know whether the 4.0L V6 in the Prado/Hilux/4Runner is gonna get the Dual VVTi system and all the other new technology stuff appearing in Toyota/Lexus's new engines? Coz i would expect the LC200series to be the first to get it if they decided to use it in it. Also wondering it the 4.7L V8 will get the new stuff (dual-VVTi etc)... <p>Atm 180kw for a 4.0L and 210Kws for the 4.7L is really poor.... i'd expect 210Kws from the 4.0L and 240Kws from the 4.7L

ocn75
05-19-2007, 01:01 AM
Looks reasonably accurate as to what to expect from previous spy pictures. A shame it still looks crap and like its stuck in an early 1990's timewarp. <p>Sorry to go slightly off-topic here, but does anyone know about the replacement for Landcruiser's most direct competitor, the Nissan Patrol? Details seem thin on the ground and I vaguely remember reading somewhere that a new one wouldn't arrive for a few years, and when it does come, it may not have its own platform / chassis and may utilise Pathie's or maybe one of the Nissan "trucks" in the US. Anyone with any info?

Superfresa
05-19-2007, 01:12 AM
I dont think the Patrol will be replaced soon. If it does, we'll probably get the vastly inferior Armada. Unless they jsut do minor changes.<p>

scorpio14
05-19-2007, 05:56 PM
I guess with people not buying these large SUVs as much as a few years bak, Nissan would rather better their small and mid size SUVs and have more variety in those makets (atm they have like 4 SUVs excluding the Patrol thatll be sold in Australia by the end of the year)<p>I guess thats also the reason why Toyota arent putting a big effort in the LC200... since its dimension (like wheelbase) is the same.... the styling hasnt changed that much over the current one (from the size and rear, for what i've seen on the LX570). I dont remember but is this supposed to be an all-new chassis they are building on? They could have made the wheelbase longer to better the 3rd row seating...<p>And the fact they are gonna use the same 4.7L again but now with VVTi (for Australia)... and still well behind other V8s in terms of power and torque (210kw and 435Nm max. from what the US version has anywayz<p>Sad really... i would have liked to c more effort put into the LC200 by giving it a completely new design, demensions better seating, engines, the whole works. Hopefully it happens to the Patrol...

Superfresa
05-19-2007, 08:19 PM
No, no, scorpio, you have that WRONG. Hopefully it <I>doesn't</I> happen in the Patrol. The Patrol is good as it is. All the Patrol needs is a Permanent 4X4 System, which Nissan is too thick to develop. Otherwise its a fantastic 4X4 as it is. The LC200 though did need a more indepth make over because it's targeted more at families, who want more and more, instead of Outback kinda people, who want less and less, as in the Patrol.

ocn75
05-20-2007, 04:24 AM
Will be interesting to see what Nissan come up with, but I get this feeling the new Patrol will actually be some rebadged Nissan truck that is or will be sold in the US - after all, Patrol sales aren't particularly big and with rising petrol prices, it makes it harder to make a business case to develop a new platform for it. Suppose time will tell, but regardless, wouldn't be hard to produce something that looks better than the Landcruiser (judging by the spy-shots). <p>

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05-29-2007, 08:31 PM
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