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Santeno
12-27-2004, 02:04 PM
Original Discussion: <A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&num=1097697494&action=display&start=0" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....art=0</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/T/toyota/mr2-10-04/03-large/Toyota-MR2-01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/T/toyota/mr2-10-04/03-large/Toyota-MR2-02.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/T/toyota/mr2-10-04/03-large/Toyota-MR2-03.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/T/toyota/mr2-10-04/03-large/Toyota-MR2-04.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/T/toyota/mr2-10-04/03-large/Toyota-MR2-05.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/T/toyota/mr2-10-04/03-large/Toyota-MR2-06.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: 4car<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spy Shot: Toyota MR2 Roadster<br>Our spies have captured this intriguing Toyota undergoing high-speed testing. Its mid-section plainly suggests that this is a mid-engined test mule, possibly an eventual replacement for the current MR2, which will be discontinued in the crucial U.S. market next year. But while the doors are plainly borrowed from the current MR2, just look at how much wider apart the wheels are than on the current car. The wheels themselves also appear to be much larger than any that could be accommodated by the current car. All this points to a larger mid-engined sportscar and that would give Toyota the opportunity to address one of the most pressing concerns over the current MR2, which is the near absence of reasonable storage space anywhere in the car. This would also be an opportunity to do something about the fiddly roof mechanism.<p>On a more futuristic note, some sources claim that the replacement MR2 could become part of Toyota's commitment to offer a full range of petrol/electric hybrid cars. With a relatively lightweight structure, the performance and economy benefits could make a petrol/electric hybrid uniquely appealing. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <b>From today's AutoExpress:</b><p>Mean, Green MR2 is Coming<br> <br>It's a case of no more MR nice guy! From the pictures in the latest issue of Auto Express it's clear to see it will be a much beefier-looking machine than the current model - and have the performance to match.<p>Although there are elements of the current car in its styling, the next-generation model has bulging wheelarches front and rear, making it wider overall. As well as creating an aggressive appearance, this allows a wider track for improved stability. The roadster will keep its folding canvas roof to save weight, but the interior is set to be restyled to match the tougher exterior. The larger back end will also house a bigger engine than the current 1.8-litre petrol unit.<p>The move means Toyota can increase the MR2's power output to take on the likes of the Mazda MX-5 and Lotus Elise. The MR2 could also be the first performance car to use hybrid technology, combining a petrol engine with an electric motor.<p>Due on sale in early 2006, the two-seater is expected to cost slightly more than the current model, with the base versions starting at about 19,000.<p>Following the Supra V8 we pictured last week, this car demonstrates Toyota's change in attitude towards performance models. Aggressive styling and improved dynamics are the firm's new themes, highlighted by its continued involvement in Formula One. Bosses hope that eventual success in F1 will translate into showroom<p>Auto Express <br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk</A>/<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Heres a so-so rendering from Car&Driver Hong Kong Nov. 04 issue<p><IMG SRC="http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/mlk_f1_06mr-s.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Heres this rendering from Road & Track:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/here1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

LEXUS FAN!
12-27-2004, 03:59 PM
those CGI's look great

skoochythatone
12-27-2004, 04:44 PM
The Car and Driver Hong Kong one looks a lot like the Porsche GT..especially the headlights..what a cheap rip off..

jro4566
12-27-2004, 04:48 PM
Hopefully it has a better engine to compete against the upcoming Miata, Solstice, and Sky.

Reppu
12-28-2004, 07:40 AM
It's much wider than the current generation so it's safe to expect a huge increase on power output

skodamotorsport
12-28-2004, 08:22 AM
the hk c&d one looks like the headlights from a C6,boxter/mx5 front end with a VX220 body

Rugbyplaya91
01-01-2005, 06:27 PM
I just hope it gets good gas mileage... that was always a plus in my book.. still looks the same to me maybe a few minor face lifts

JBlair
01-02-2005, 01:30 AM
It doesn't really have to since we're not even sure it is being sold in the US.

Top Secret
01-02-2005, 02:15 AM
You know what could be a half-decent idea? What about the fusion of both the MR-2 and the Celica? You know, a mid-engined coupe replacing both the Celica and the MR-2. I reckon it could well be a damn good idea.

Naga Royal Guard
01-02-2005, 06:51 AM
bad idea, both the celica and MR have quite a long history w/ toyota, its like telling GM to merge the Camaro and Corvette <p>they should try to share engines tho, the GTS engine would have rocked in the spyder, but now the spyder turbo could do some race work<p>handling on the mr2 is great for street use, its on the soft side but you can almost swear the car steers a second before you actually move the wheel <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> and be perfectly predictable about it too

spwolf
01-02-2005, 07:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bad idea, both the celica and MR have quite a long history w/ toyota, its like telling GM to merge the Camaro and Corvette <p>they should try to share engines tho, the GTS engine would have rocked in the spyder, but now the spyder turbo could do some race work<p>handling on the mr2 is great for street use, its on the soft side but you can almost swear the car steers a second before you actually move the wheel <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> and be perfectly predictable about it too</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As predictable as mid-engined car can be ;-)... With few very basic mods, current MR2 gets over 1.04G of sustained lateral G's... In past year, lot of people have started to swap to 2zzge engines or turboing their 1zz's since turbo kits have become more available... (mine should make more than 200hp now)<p>BTW - as you know, TTE made an Turbo for MR2, with 180hp and 250nm (torque is actually more impressive than hp), which should do 0-62 in less than 6 secs... It was unsure if we are ever going to see that kit in sales, or if possibly it is going to become official Toyota backed turbo - and now in upcoming Tokyo car show in Jan, in Japan, Toyota is going to show TTE turbo on their stand, together with supercharged Crown and MarkX!!! So who knows, MR2 turbo might become official... and that supercharged GR engines sound even better!<p><A HREF="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/spc/custom-event2005/main.html" TARGET="_blank">http://toyota.jp/Showroom/spc/....html</A>

Naga Royal Guard
01-02-2005, 08:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As predictable as mid-engined car can be ;-)... With few very basic mods, current MR2 gets over 1.04G of sustained lateral G's... In past year, lot of people have started to swap to 2zzge engines or turboing their 1zz's since turbo kits have become more available... (mine should make more than 200hp now)<p>BTW - as you know, TTE made an Turbo for MR2, with 180hp and 250nm (torque is actually more impressive than hp), which should do 0-62 in less than 6 secs... It was unsure if we are ever going to see that kit in sales, or if possibly it is going to become official Toyota backed turbo - and now in upcoming Tokyo car show in Jan, in Japan, Toyota is going to show TTE turbo on their stand, together with supercharged Crown and MarkX!!! So who knows, MR2 turbo might become official... and that supercharged GR engines sound even better!<p><A HREF="http://toyota.jp/Showroom/spc/custom-event2005/main.html" TARGET="_blank">http://toyota.jp/Showroom/spc/....html</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>so much for the 911 ( more practical, whatever ) that link is crazy, only thing i can decipher for the Majesta Modellista is " Super Charged" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>if they offer an aspirated car, even if only in Europe ( and not the US); the press would turn on its heel <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>( arent they supposed to be making hybrids? ) i have a feeling the supercharged sedans are simply concepts or will be produced by an obscure JDM tuner

kevinb120
01-02-2005, 02:56 PM
I've owned a couple MR2's including my favorite, an 89 supercharged. I really liked the original after all the black rubber was changed to body color, the car had a great flavor to it. It was one of those cars you had to drive to understand, like the miata(especially since my other car was a 600hp 67 firebird at the time and my hot-rod buddies were dumbfounded by me owning one). The 2nd gen was capeable but boring as hell, and I ended up with an RX7tt. I was hoping the next one would of won me back, but they never did put the 180hp celica GTS engine in it(the original brochures had it as a 'late option' that never made it). It is actually a very 'pure' car like the original, but the styling is rediculously feminine. The aftermarket showed that they can be altered, but the factory needs to put a little more 'balls' in the car both inside and out, while keeping it in an exclusive price range. Doubling the price like the 2nd gen cars did put sales in the toilet. It's a really nice car that just needs some personality. It needs to be tweaked, not redone. An MR2 that busts $30k won't sell.

spwolf
01-02-2005, 03:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Naga Royal Guard</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>so much for the 911 ( more practical, whatever ) that link is crazy, only thing i can decipher for the Majesta Modellista is " Super Charged" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>if they offer an aspirated car, even if only in Europe ( and not the US); the press would turn on its heel <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>( arent they supposed to be making hybrids? ) i have a feeling the supercharged sedans are simply concepts or will be produced by an obscure JDM tuner</TD></TR></TABLE><p>heh, as i said before - toyota is HUGE... they will have any kind of engine they need, supercharged, turbo'd, hybrid, diesel, whatever... Keep in mind that they predict that between 2012-2015 10% of their cars will be hybrid.<p>Those supercharged GR engines are actually TRD Japan work... Same as MR2 turbo and Corolla kompressor being TTE work that will start selling in march 2005.<br>It seems there is serious push in all major markets (TRD USA, TRD Japan, TTE) to make more factory warrantied options for aftermarket. Notice that all new Japanese Toyota's now have 3-4 different tuning kits each, directly from Toyota...<p>Dont have any doubts that Toyota is NOT going to be hybrid oriented only, they seen electric hybrid option as an extra option got already advanced petrol/diesel engine. They will have bigger, better V8's for their US cars, dont have any doubts on that.<p>Toyota is so big that they can not afford to be niche, sure some of their products may be niche, but in general they simply have to appeal to everyone - which is why Lexus is going to have diesels soon, including most powerful 4cl diesel on the market :-).

kevinb120
01-02-2005, 03:35 PM
The TRD factory program is quite a nice little program. But toyota is definately volume minded, not 'wow' factor minded. Instead of Supra, they give us Scion. Amazingly enough, the public has been sold that these are in some way, shape or form, 'exciting', go figure. They could of made a 300hp-ish Celica AWD and called it the Supra at the $30-35k mark and cleaned house, and made the the MR2 a little wilder on the styling. Both ended up being pedestrian. It actually takes quite an effort to make a mid $20k's mid-engine sports car as <I>invisible</I> and boring to the public as they have. I'm sure they both meet the acceptable proffit per unit and proper market penetration numbers, so on they go.....Toyota does manage to sell a hell of a lot of boring though, why change when you've cornered the market on the wheeled appliance? If they do do something with it, I wouldn't expect much more then a corolla with the body on backwards. They do manage to make a hella lot of vehicles off of only a handfull of platforms. If they do not think it will help Camry or Highlander sales, it most likely will die a quiet death.<p><br><i>Modified by kevinb120 at 2:40 PM 1/2/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by kevinb120 at 2:42 PM 1/2/2005</i>

Naga Royal Guard
01-02-2005, 05:24 PM
not exactly invisible, but people ( who claim to be "fun") want a trunk and the media didnt like the spyder much either

ACURARDX
05-03-2006, 02:58 PM
<A HREF="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/mr2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://photos1.blogger.com/blo...2.jpg</A><p>This is only a illustration to the next MR2 but it looks real. I don't think Toyota will bring back the MR2 because I think the next MR2 will be part of Scion's lineup and Scion already has a tC Coupe.

knihc2008
05-03-2006, 05:43 PM
I think an MR2 for Scion would be the perfect halo car.

Naga Royal Guard
05-03-2006, 06:26 PM
the MR2/MRS is one of the few heavily regarded toyota plates - im almost sure it will stay w/ them

anonms
05-03-2006, 06:43 PM
Seriously. If Scion gets anything remotely similar to the MR2, it'd probably be the Daihatsu Copen. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

scionlife
05-03-2006, 09:07 PM
I don't see Scion getting a mid-engined car... the pricing just wouldn't fit into their sub-20's scheme. Remember, Scion is designed to bring in new, young buyers that can only afford entry-level cars. I imagine that base pricing on a new MR2 would run into the mid-20s, closer to 30,000 optioned.<p>I think that illustration is an excellent example of where Toyota should take the next sporty car, but I think it looks more like the next-generation Paseo than an MR2! LOL! Anyone else see RSX in there?

jts
05-03-2006, 09:07 PM
acording to wheels magazine april 2006 this car is tipped to be a mid engined 1.5 litre 80kw hybrid with a folding metal roof????

ndjan
05-03-2006, 09:07 PM
Looks more like it should be the next paseo with the egg-like styling

scorpio14
05-03-2006, 09:40 PM
I doubt Toyota will bring anythin out like this... only as a concept if anythin

mzoltarp
05-04-2006, 05:54 AM
Toyota doesn't have the guts to bring out anything this daring in design and even if they did they would then lack the courage to make it a high powered road burner. Come on Toyota! Get daring. Power to the people right on!

Santeno
05-05-2006, 08:24 AM
There have bene lots of articles about toyota saying that the MR2 will not be replaced in the US. they haven't said anything about wether they will replace it in other markets, but the general thought is that they will. My guess is that unless Toyota is willing to give any replacement true sporting characteristics, without compromises in styling or parcticality, they might have something.

CosworthKid
05-05-2006, 10:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skodamotorsport</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the hk c&d one looks like the headlights from a C6,boxter/mx5 front end with a VX220 body</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Headlights from the C6?I beg your pardon? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
05-05-2006, 01:46 PM
maybe he meant citroen c6...

Santeno
05-05-2006, 02:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Headlights from the C6?I beg your pardon? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Are you serious about giving someone a hard time for a comment made a year and a half ago? Let's try to stay on-topic please.

CosworthKid
05-06-2006, 06:34 AM
Sorry, i hadnt realised it was an old post. Wasnt giving anyone a hard time either, only joking.