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Nick
12-23-2004, 01:57 AM
article:<br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7664" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...=7664</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8612_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">Buick Lucerne spy 01</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8613_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">Buick Lucerne spy 02 </A><p><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/lucerne_interior_big.jpg" TARGET="_blank">Buick Lucerne interior</A><br>

Santeno
12-23-2004, 08:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>2006 Buick Lucerne Large Sedan</b><p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Buick/100487860/033238-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><p><i>What Edmunds.com Says: The Lucerne will take the place of the Park Avenue and the LeSabre <p>What We Know: Buick plans to replace both the LeSabre and Park Avenue in one fell swoop with a vehicle that will likely take the name Lucerne. This full-size, front-wheel-drive sedan is slated to appear in the fall of 2005, designated as a 2006 model. The LeSabre platform will be carried over to the tentative Lucerne, although this new model will incorporate new sheet metal into its internal structure. Additionally, the cabin will not resemble anything that Buick has produced to this point. The base model will be powered by a 3.8-liter V6, and it's rumored that the company is considering offering a V8 as an option.</i><p>Source: Edmunds.com</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Interior Shot:<p><A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/lucerne_interior_big.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/...g.jpg</A>

jro4566
12-23-2004, 11:48 AM
I wish the base engine was the 2.8L V6 instead.

knicks125
12-23-2004, 12:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jro4566</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish the base engine was the 2.8L V6 instead.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>More gas friendlier?

Toxic
12-23-2004, 12:47 PM
I hope they do offer the V8,It would be nice to see a buick with some power.

mwkmn
12-24-2004, 06:23 AM
Wow, and I thought Buick was going nowhere with its new Lacrosse/Allure, and this car lets me rethink of that :)<br>(in terms of design)

Krypton
12-24-2004, 08:50 AM
looks good but if this looks anything like the lacross or anyother buick i dont think im going to like it

MrMGMan
12-24-2004, 05:29 PM
Nice to see the raiding of the GM parts bin continues unabated... I'm sure those interior door handles are borrowed from the Saab 9-3 and 9-5.<p>All in all, it does look a lot more enticing than anything we've seen thus far from the Buick stable.

nstreet16
12-25-2004, 08:05 PM
For awhile I thought Buick was gonna fade awhile cuz of their crappy line but they seem to be improving on it.

Hornbag
12-25-2004, 08:49 PM
I have never seen a Buick before i think, so i went and looked at their rage of cars. No comment, ill get in trouble. When i saw this car i thought, yeah its pretty average, but in comparisin, its breathtaking compaired to the rest of the range (but i think thats becasue i cant see most of this car!) OMG

jro4566
12-27-2004, 10:44 AM
It's nice to see GM listening to the complaints made about the LaCrosse/Allure.<p>-they added leather to the door paneling, something the LaCrosse lacked to make it feel premium inside<br>-changed the steering wheel to something that looks nicer<p>It still doesn't look like a luxury car that I would buy over a Lexus, but more of a premium vehicle. If they add electroluminescent gauges, a BOSE audio system (not that Monsoon system), optional navigation, side-impact airbags and not just side-curtains, a rear seat center headrest, better-looking wood trim, automatic with manual shift mode, and no 3.8L pushrod, then Buick will be a true match for a Lexus. For now, it will be a vehicle for those who either can't afford the "prestige" of a Lexus or don't want it.

Reppu
12-28-2004, 07:38 AM
The interior design is very Jaguar-ish. Not bad, but the inspiration is too evident.

bucket
12-28-2004, 01:44 PM
i know GM has put a lot of effort into renewing interest in buick, and to an extent they have succeeded. but if they truly want to compete with lexus, as they claim, they are going to have to change a few things.<p>the first is the god-awful overhead valve engines. they may make for better fuel economy (in the 3.8's case it's not surprising, considering they've had since the birth of christ to work on the engine), but they are also noisy compared to SOHC/DOHC and their output often lacks.<p>the second is FWD. with traction control, ESP, and what have you, RWD cars can be just as safe and just as easy to drive as FWD. by staying in the FWD luxury market, buick is going head-to-head with lexus's bread and butter models (the ES and RX), two top-notch vehicles that are going to continue to sell like hotcajes as long as they are made. AWD is not the answer either, as it just ads more weight to buick's already bloated vehicles.<p>the third is interior quality. you're not going to compete with arguably the nicest, best-made interiors in the car industry with some GM partsbin interior and cheap, plasticy leather. i know someone whose grandmother drives a park avenue and the leather that kia uses is nicer, relatively speaking. come on, your (before $25000 in dealer incentives) $40000 buick shouldn't have crappier seats than an $11000 tin can.<p>the first two of these problems are starting to be addressed (doesn't the CTS have a DOHC V6?), but i would imagine that the third will not be for some time. honestly, who wants to see the same cavalier door handles in their "luxurious" buick? i guess the same people that didn't mind seeing the S10 steering wheel in their escalade. as for me, i'll steer clear of buick for the forseeable future.

Banker
01-03-2005, 12:48 PM
This car will help to lift the status of Buick and to help bring new buyers. I feel this car will appeal to the many now aging boomers that want something bigger than a Lexus ES350 but don't want to spend much more. There is a place for Buick and I am glad to see them spend the time and money to improve the Lesabre and Park Avenue. This looks to be a very good car.<p>It appears that this is replacing the SLS in GM's overall lineup. I predict the option of a northstar variant as a top engine option. On another note, the stereo and climate controls look very similar to that in the top line HHR from Chevy. Let's hope not. Parts bin sharing aside, this has a very classy high quality look about it. There will always be a place for a luxurious full size FWD car.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Banker at 1:55 PM 1/3/2005</i>

StephenKHone
01-03-2005, 01:50 PM
I guess if GM put OHC V8's rather than Pushrod V8's into the Corvette Z06, it'll be a match for the opposition. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

jro4566
01-03-2005, 02:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StephenKHone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess if GM put OHC V8's rather than Pushrod V8's into the Corvette Z06, it'll be a match for the opposition. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's not that. The engine is perfectly fine and GM has proven that their pushrod engines can feels as smooth as some competitors. IMO, GM just needs to work on feature content.

Banker
01-03-2005, 02:16 PM
I would agree. The discussion shouldn't be where the cams are but how much power is produces, reliability, fuel economy and smoothness. The old 3.8L that GM has used for decades is reliable, very fuel efficient and powerful... it just isn't as smooth as the competition.<p>Anyway, that is the least of GM's problems. They need to concentrate on the design and quality of the exterior and interior of their cars. The Lucerne needs to compete favorably with the Avalone.

Naga Royal Guard
01-03-2005, 08:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It appears that this is replacing the SLS in GM's overall lineup.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>thats a really good point, buick is extracting the "buick" from Caddilac and caddilac is moving far upmarket <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
01-04-2005, 06:38 AM
Let's just hope that the pricing strategy is competitive. Buick needs to be careful not to exceed $36-37K for this car. If they can do that, then they will sell tons of these.

Dodger
01-04-2005, 06:49 AM
Why are they making the base engine the 3.8? The base in the LaCrosse is the 3.8. I think the base in this should be the 3.6 with the option of a V8.

Banker
01-04-2005, 09:23 AM
I agree. The base should be the 3.6 with a version of the Northstar V8 as the uplevel engine. I guess we will have to wait and see.

jro4566
01-04-2005, 12:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree. The base should be the 3.6 with a version of the Northstar V8 as the uplevel engine. I guess we will have to wait and see.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The way I see it is that GM doesn't want to use their best engines so they don't step on Cadillac's heels.<p>I actually wanted the 210HP 2.8L HF to be the base, then the 245HP 3.9L to be the middle, then the 303HP 5.3L to be the highest. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
01-06-2005, 07:46 AM
We will have to wait until the Chicago Auto show to find out.

jro4566
01-06-2005, 08:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We will have to wait until the Chicago Auto show to find out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, the engine choices are already finalized.

bucket
01-06-2005, 04:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree. The base should be the 3.6 with a version of the Northstar V8 as the uplevel engine. I guess we will have to wait and see.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i don't think they have adapted the 3.6 for FWD use, but using the "shortstar" from the aurora/bonneville gxp seems preferable to using the clunky 5300.

Soul Man
01-06-2005, 05:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bucket</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i don't think they have adapted the 3.6 for FWD use, but using the "shortstar" from the aurora/bonneville gxp seems preferable to using the clunky 5300.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>im sorry but huh? the 3.6 currently is residing in the top model FWD lacrosse, can be had on FWD rendezvous (not to mention even with awd its still a fwd chassis), there may also be another fwd application of the 3.6, but i cant really think right now ( i really dont think it is residing in anyother fwders though)<br>

Bluesman
01-06-2005, 07:48 PM
It's also in the CTS.

Soul Man
01-06-2005, 07:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's also in the CTS.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>the cts does indeed and so does the sts but those are rwd

Banker
01-10-2005, 10:00 AM
Just to clear things up about the various DOHC engines used by GM over the past 10 years or so:<p>The "Shortstar" designation was given to the 3.5L DOHC V6 that was adapted from the Northstar V8. It was used in the Oldsmobile Intrigue and the Aurora 3.5L. The Pontiac GXP uses the 4.6L Northstar with 275HP. The original Aurora used a 4.0L 250 HP version of the Northstar V8. Neither of these engines were referred to as the "Shortstar". Just in case there is any confusion, the new high feature 3.6L V6 is not related to the "Shortstar" 3.5L V6 or the old 3.4L DOHC V6 that was used back in the mid 90's in the Chevy Lumina, Pontiac Grand Prix and Olds Cutlass Supreme.<p>Now as to the subject at hand... I do think that the high feature 3.6L V6 would make a great base engine for the Lucerne with the 4.6L Northstar V8 also used in the Boneville would make a great engine for the Ultra model.<p>I hope GM/Buick doesn't disapoint.<p><br><i>Modified by Banker at 11:12 AM 1/10/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Banker at 11:30 AM 1/10/2005</i>

Santeno
01-10-2005, 10:20 AM
Thanks for clearing that up Banker. I love how we can all learn from everyone else's areas of expertise.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:49 PM 1/10/2005</i>

Denali
01-11-2005, 04:56 AM
im not sure if this is the same car but it looks hot<br><IMG SRC="http://img93.exs.cx/img93/310/prcopy4sg.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Denali at 4:35 AM 1/11/2005</i>

Santeno
01-11-2005, 11:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not sure if this is the same car but it looks hot</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That car is a Buick Royaum produced by Shanghai-General Motors, for sale in China and it is based on Holden's Statesman and Caprice models. It is not a Buick Lucerne.

Banker
01-24-2005, 10:37 AM
I think the Lucerne will be better than expected. Just a couple more weeks and we will be able to make final judgement. I predict that this will be much better than the Lacrosse.<p>Of course it better be... it will cost more.

knicks125
01-24-2005, 10:41 AM
Talking about the lacrosse, I'm just not sure how to comment on their ads (played way too much on TV, every time I turn it on, some lacrosse ad's there) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The one with all of the candles around the car, FIRE HAZZARD <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
01-24-2005, 11:05 AM
My wife sees those ads and wonders what they're selling, the car or the woman...<p>I tend to agree.

knicks125
01-24-2005, 11:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bluesman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My wife sees those ads and wonders what they're selling, the car or the woman...<p>I tend to agree.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree too. One of the other Lacrosse ads, the car splits into two, the new LR3 ad is based on similar concept, not sure who copied who <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-24-2005, 11:13 AM
I actually like the LaCrosse ads. They are very appropriate, and they keep getting my parent's attention. (They're right about at the age GM is trying to pitch it to)

Banker
01-24-2005, 11:44 AM
The adds are smart and have a great soundtrack. I can count three adds that are run frequently. Must have cost Buick a bundle.

knicks125
01-24-2005, 02:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The adds are smart and have a great soundtrack. I can count three adds that are run frequently. Must have cost Buick a bundle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree with you the soundtrack is pretty good, although they are way overplayed. Let's just hope those ad expenses Buick/GM threw down would get them a profit out of the Lacrosse and the Buick brand (not yet effective - so far)

Nick
01-24-2005, 03:14 PM
i have only seen one buick ad so far...only once...and I live in California...I guess I am watching the wrong channels...

Krypton
01-24-2005, 03:25 PM
ive seen them a few times, the soundtracks good but the IMO i dont like the commercials but then im not the age group Buiks marketing to

knicks125
01-24-2005, 03:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SLR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive seen them a few times, the soundtracks good but the IMO i dont like the commercials but then im not the age group Buiks marketing to</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Same here...and they are played way too much <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Bass-o-Matic
01-25-2005, 03:26 PM
Another thing that's key when considering each of these powertrains is whether or not they're merely "cut-down" V8s or purpose-built V6es. That's an issue when considering the cylinder bank splay or angle (the cut-down V8s use a 90-degree angle, while the V6es- except for the original CTS 3.2L/Saturn L-series 3.0L/SAAB V6 engines all sourced from Opel/Vauxhall- are/were 60-degree engines) because of issues such as packaging and relative smoothness due to uneven firing order. I'd much rather have a modern 60-degree V6 than a converted V8, such as the old Buick 3.8L V6.<p>Regarding the "old" Olds-exclusive V6, it is interesting that GM was attempting (without making a big deal out of it) to right the great wrong of replacing Olds-exclusive engines (the Rocket V8) with corporate powertrains, for which it was sued in the '80s. This was the first time since those lawsuits (which introduced another "small type" addendum to American brochures from manufacturers as diverse as every GM division, Jaguar and, even, Acura) that Olds actually had it's own powertrain strategy. Even the Aurora V8 was never officially referred to as a Northstar (even racing in the IRL as the Aurora V8) and featured a different displacement (4.0L vs. 4.6L). <p>Ever wonder how GM could afford to introduce a new exclusive V6 for Olds and, then, drop it when Olds was cancelled? Seems that it would be prohibitively expensive to drop an engine after such a short and relatively low-volume production run, doesn't it? The secret lies in just how this engine was manufactured. In fact, this engine was revolutionary in that it was heavily dependent, not on hard tooling, but on CNC- machinery for manufacturing. Though the initial investment is higher, the machines are applicable, using a change in software, for a wide variety of products (trannies, differentials, etc.) and, as such, can be amortized over a much higher volume spread out over anything that's "programmed in". And, the wear items for these machines are not "program-specific" and, theoretically, should be less expensive. Amazing, yet, once again, it's something that GM never made hay about (if only for the sake of the techno-geek segment of automotive journalism).

Dodger
01-25-2005, 05:46 PM
Whew, I think that was the longest written post that I have read!! Very good job <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Bass-o-Matic
01-26-2005, 12:22 PM
Er,... sorry for the length (first time I've ever had to say THAT).<p>I've been intrigued (pun intended) in that engine since the first time I saw it and, frankly, I studied it as an example of low-impact, flexible production for a totally unrelated project that I worked on for a previous employer.<p>Thanks

Charger
01-26-2005, 02:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2006 Lucerne to take Buick's top-of-the-line spot<p><br> Scheduled to be unveiled in early February at the Chicago Auto Show, the all-new 2006 Lucerne replaces the long-running LeSabre and Park Avenue as Buick's top-of-the-line full-size sedan.<br> Although the sheet metal is completely different and the cabin is being extensively overhauled, many of the basic underbody components are being carried over from the current model.<br> The big front-wheel-drive sedan debuts this fall, with a choice of V-6 and V-8 engines. Insiders say the six-cylinder model will have three portholes on each flank, while the eight-cylinder gets four a side.<br> The Lucerne will be built at General Motors Corp.'s Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant, where the Cadillac DeVille, Buick LeSabre and Pontiac Bonneville are built.<br> -- Paul Lienert<p></TD></TR></TABLE>

Banker
01-27-2005, 09:01 AM
Great post. I wish GM and Olds had marketed their unique engines. It is a shame to see them die off - the engines and Olds.<p>I still maintain that the 4.0L Aurora V8 would be a great Buick Engine.

Charger
01-27-2005, 02:58 PM
You can sign up for info<br><A HREF="http://www.buick.com/next/countdown/?pl_code=MGMC9MTC3981P427662B427661S1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.buick.com/next/coun...661S1</A>

Krypton
01-27-2005, 03:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can sign up for info<br><A HREF="http://www.buick.com/next/countdown/?pl_code=MGMC9MTC3981P427662B427661S1" TARGET="_blank">http://www.buick.com/next/coun...661S1</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Do we have any members old enough to be interested in this car

Charger
01-27-2005, 03:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SLR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do we have any members old enough to be interested in this car</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Im always interested in new cars but most of the time Im dissapointed after I see it. I would never buy one, Im just curious what it will look like.

Krypton
01-27-2005, 03:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Im always interested in new cars but most of the time Im dissapointed after I see it. I would never buy one, Im just curious what it will look like.</TD></TR></TABLE>o, ive been dissapointed from Buick too many times and i pretty much gave up on them

Banker
02-07-2005, 02:10 PM
It has been confirmed via Cheers and Gears that the new Lucerne will have the Northstar V8 as the top engine. Cheers and Gears was able to capture some screen shots from the Chicago Auto show web cams.<p>This looks to be far and away better than any other car (except for the STS) that Lutz has brought out.<p>This will change the direction and outlook of Buick entirely.<p>This will lure back many people to the Buick showrooms.

Dan J.
02-07-2005, 02:24 PM
My parents have driven Buicks for years. Their 2003 Lesabre will need replacing this summer. My parents my be old folks but they drive the heck out their cars. They are very interested in the V8 Lucerne. I personally would not consider a Buick because I would prefer something sportier. I may be 42 but I'm not that old ... yet.

Banker
02-07-2005, 02:38 PM
I would not classify the new Lucerne as sporty, but it definitely looks to have some sporting pretensions - kinda like the old Cadillac SLS.<p>I am 30 and like the look of this car. It looks powerful while still looking classy - no boy racer parts like the 300C and GTP.<p>Like I said, this should sell well. Let's just hope they (Buick) doesn't price this too high.

JBlair
02-07-2005, 03:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would not classify the new Lucerne as sporty, but it definitely looks to have some sporting pretensions - kinda like the old Cadillac SLS.<p>I am 30 and like the look of this car. It looks powerful while still looking classy - no boy racer parts like the 300C and GTP.<p>Like I said, this should sell well. Let's just hope they (Buick) doesn't price this too high.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What exactly is boy-racerish about the 300C?

Banker
02-07-2005, 03:02 PM
Ok, poor comparison.<p>The GTP is boy racerish and the 300 has that big flashy grill and chopped roofline that looks so hip today and will probably be out of fashion in a few years.

nismo
02-07-2005, 04:13 PM
can you post any of the pics from cheers and gears..?

Ghost_In_The_Machine
02-07-2005, 06:10 PM
<A HREF="http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12312&st=0&#entry118585" TARGET="_blank">http://www.cheersandgears.com/...18585</A>

SV
02-07-2005, 06:42 PM
wow, i love the rear end from what there is to see, very VW-passat-like (which is good). the interior looks good too, it should be at least as good or better than in the locrosse's (and i really like the lacrosse's interior). too bad it'll be based off the current model; still, i guess that's because this is something of an interim model until the RWD buicks arrive.

Ghost_In_The_Machine
02-07-2005, 07:01 PM
<A HREF="http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showthread.php?t=11140&page=1&pp=20" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.gminsidenews.com...pp=20</A>

piokor
02-07-2005, 08:34 PM
The headlights look as though they are similar to the Cobalt and the rear evokes an image of the TSX or the Phaeton.

Andre
02-08-2005, 12:00 AM
<A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893334c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A><p>Buick is unveiling their version of the Kia Spectra <p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It'll be the best Buick ever!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 11:09 PM 2/7/2005</i>

Ascariss
02-08-2005, 12:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893334c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A><p>Buick is unveiling their version of the Kia Spectra <p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>It'll be the best Buick ever!<p><br><i>Modified by Andre at 11:09 PM 2/7/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>huh not bad so far, awaiting press pics. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
02-08-2005, 12:37 AM
all the pics:<p><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893330a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...a.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893330b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...b.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893330c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893330d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893332a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...a.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893332b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...b.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893332c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893332d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893334a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...a.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893334b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...b.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893334c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893334d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893336a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...a.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893336b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...b.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893336c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893336d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893337a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...a.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893337b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...b.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893337c.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...c.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/893337d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A> <br>

JBlair
02-08-2005, 08:35 AM
Looks vaguely Korean at the front, but I will not pass judgement until I see it in press pics. Good to see GM has given Buick the Northstar though.

Banker
02-08-2005, 04:05 PM
Not only will this sell in droves, it will set the stage for a new Buick product push that will change the perception of Buick in the market place.<p>This will probably be the highest rated (in terms of quality) American made car on the JD Power list in the coming years.

DoMiNo
02-08-2005, 06:46 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The headlights look as though they are similar to the Cobalt and the rear evokes an image of the TSX or the Phaeton.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly... what's with the Cobalt headlights?? Ugh. <p>At least they decided to give it a grille like the gorgeous Terraza! <p>Oh, wait... that's a BAD thing. Oh well... at least they kept the portholes, the rear looks decent, and the interior will be a HUGE improvement. I'd say I'm 65% FOR this car, and 35% AGAINST. <br>

SMG
02-09-2005, 02:20 AM
all the hq pics are on <A HREF="http://www.autodeadline.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autodeadline.com</A>

Santeno
02-09-2005, 11:40 AM
Locking. Continue discussion in the new cars section.