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knicks125
12-20-2004, 06:47 PM
TCC article and spy shot....<br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=178&sid=178&article=7782" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...=7782</A><p>Have we decided what those other pics were of, whether they were Elantra or Optima? Please confirm and post them to the correct thread, to this one or start another one for Optima.

jro4566
12-20-2004, 07:10 PM
I do hope Hyundai gets almost everything right on this one. I cannot believe how the Spectra (which was touted as being far superior from the Elantra, since it was "thoroughly" updated) got a POOR rating from the IIHS and the so-called "outdated" Elantra gets a GOOD rating.

SOLAR
12-20-2004, 07:13 PM
i gotta admit, hundai is lookin pretty good nowadays, keep it up guys!

mwkmn
12-21-2004, 07:59 AM
The 'debate' for that is still going on, no one has the definite answers :P<p>My guess is that it will be an upcoming Optima, for it resembles a lot of NF Sonata in side profil.

megadethmartyr
12-21-2004, 11:27 AM
I like how they say "deluxe" model. They will have dual exhausts as a family image thing. Most likely will all have alloys and fog lights. Silly people.

StuckInNYForever
12-27-2004, 07:12 PM
Mega - you mean single exhaust and dual outlets? I thought I saw you write that somewhere else.<p>I think this has to be the Elantra (not the Optima). The front looks very much like the current Elantra. It is too much like a smaller car, not fitting of an Optima. The rear also looks thinner than a Sonata/Optima. The profile also resembles the current Elantra somewhat. I cannot see this being an Optima.

megadethmartyr
12-28-2004, 11:17 AM
yeah, single exhaust, dual outlets. I can't say if this or isn't the Elantra or not being that I haven't seen it yet. I won't assume anything. I will find out ASAP though.

taskbearer
12-29-2004, 02:40 AM
Hyundai seem to be following the german "almost simlar " design for its model line up, The elantra in the spyshot looks a lot like the new sonata, kind of like the new bora and Passat. And another thing the passat and the sonata have lean headlamps while the elantra shows ovoid lamps like the new jetta. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

megadethmartyr
12-30-2004, 06:25 AM
Exactly. You hit it on the head (as far as the styling). Hyundai has always had a fascination with European styling. Compared to other asian brands as well as domestic brands, the european styling has always carried an elegance to it. Styling is meant to invoke a desire to be seen in the car as well as an immediate emotional attachment. The Europeans have done that very well.

f1guy68
12-30-2004, 05:24 PM
Any further news or confirmation on which vehicle this is?<p>Cheers!

Rugbyplaya91
01-01-2005, 04:38 PM
Pretty sure it's the elantra.. to small to for the spyshot of the accent, and too big to be the sonata or the xg380, Just my take... althought it does look simliar to the new nf sonata...

Santeno
01-03-2005, 10:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Rugbyplaya91</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pretty sure it's the elantra.. to small to for the spyshot of the accent, and too big to be the sonata or the xg380, Just my take... althought it does look simliar to the new nf sonata... </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Re read the previously posted articles. we are not talking about the Sonata (which is already on sale and is not that car) or the TG (what you called XG380 - for which we have lots of spyshots). the confusion is that this car is believed to be the Kia Optima, even though TCC calls it an elantra. So far we have not bee able to get solid info about which of the two cars it is.

oren
01-04-2005, 05:29 AM
form what I heard, that car can be elantra<br>proto type of new elantra(HD) was recently produced<br>and road test hasn't started yet..<br>

megadethmartyr
01-04-2005, 08:02 AM
While I still can't confirm if this is the Elantra, we should start seeing them around being that it will be out next summer.

Santeno
01-12-2005, 01:08 PM
New pic from Bobaedeream:<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=28393&page=1&select=&content=" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...tent=</A><p>Mega, we really need confirmation as to what this thing really is. any word?

Philsshon
01-12-2005, 01:29 PM
looks more like a kia opitma to me

Santeno
01-12-2005, 02:42 PM
You might be korean, but that doesn't mean you know for sure. The car in the latest picture matches the previous spy pics, plus it is wearing the type of lumpy camo that Hyundai prefers. It's definitely a Hyundai product. the question is whether it is a Hyundai Elantra or a Kia Optima. Many of us think it's too big to be an elantra (plus it's profile doesn't match that of most newer hyundai's). So far we have been unable to get verification one way or the other.

megadethmartyr
01-12-2005, 03:59 PM
Still have no definate word (sorry), but considering how big the Sonata turned out, it might now be a huge strech that this could be the Elantra. I should mention that the XG, Santa Fe, Sonata, Tucson all have (or will have) a similar grill for brand recognition. The Elantra will too. I would say that will give alittle insight. Based on the TCC picture, it has the styling cues the Hyundai will have (dual tips, the grill etc.,not to mention the escort it's getting), this very well could be the Elantra.

megadethmartyr
01-12-2005, 07:18 PM
I assure you Hyundai's aren't escorting a Daewoo.

TheJoyof6
01-12-2005, 10:10 PM
GranTurismo is right, this is the new Magnus not the elantra/optima/whatever.

knicks125
01-13-2005, 08:06 AM
okay everyone let's not jump to conclusion just yet...we can try to do a little comparison:<p>here are some spy pics from Channel4, I don't think they have been posted on this thread yet:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hyundai-Elantra-01.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hyundai-Elantra-02.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hyundai-Elantra-03.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hyundai-Elantra-04.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><B>Channel4</B><p>okay here is what i see...even though wheels look different, the rest looks about the same, pay special attention from the gas filler area to the tail light, the shape looks awfully alike....i am going to say it's the elantra, but I'm still not 100% sure <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
01-13-2005, 10:36 AM
To all of you claiming that this is a Daewoo, please post teh reasoning behind your opinion (sources of your informationmight be even better). Other wise, unsupported opinions will be deleted.

r0b
01-13-2005, 12:39 PM
I know it's stupid, but you if you take a closer look, the rear doors (the line near the wheel) are not the same...Maybe this realy is a daewoo.<p><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/giovanni_dee/combo" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-13-2005, 12:44 PM
maybe it's an optima...

r0b
01-13-2005, 12:59 PM
Maybe! The cars look very similar...

megadethmartyr
01-13-2005, 02:00 PM
maybe none of us have ANY idea what this is.<br>:)

CarMattZu777
01-13-2005, 04:49 PM
Maybe just that one spy pic posted was not the same as what we are discussing. Duh.

knicks125
01-14-2005, 09:25 AM
I am leaning toward the optima, but it could be the elantra, or something else...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 10:07 AM 1/21/2005</i>

Spy Guy
01-14-2005, 02:45 PM
The car on channel 4 must be a KIA cause it has lot´s of KIA signs on it (wheels, steering-wheel, on every window is a little KIA sign) and also the engineer was talking of a KIA..<br>So it must be the the Magentis / Optima.

Ultomato
01-16-2005, 12:23 PM
it might be the Hyundai TG im not sure wait nvm i mean the KIA equivalent of the TG

sono81
01-16-2005, 12:47 PM
I´m pretty sure this is an elantra because the size of it and because it has some styling cues from the sonata, like the rear lights...

nismo
01-16-2005, 09:35 PM
This is a hard one... The front looks like a Kia the back looks like a the Sonata. It has a Kia grill and Sonata like taillights. Has anyone compared it side by side with the Sonata because the Optima and Sonata most likely are going to share doors(they currently do).. unless Hyundai is only sharing the base platform between the two and no sheetmetal what so ever.<p>I don't know about the size because in the pics with the tiburon it looks small but in the other pics with the Durango in the background it looks big.

knicks125
01-17-2005, 07:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KaRaceR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sriousley people u think hyundai are good cars!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not even mentioning what a great year Hyundai had in 04, which I read it out sold Honda in worldwide sales, just an article pertaining to your region...hope you like it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.carpages.co.uk/hyundai/hyundai-sales-record-17-01-05.asp?switched=on&echo=246845380" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carpages.co.uk/hyun...45380</A>

megadethmartyr
01-17-2005, 06:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KaRaceR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sriousley people u think hyundai are good cars!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, now try and keep up. Currently the Optima and Sonata should only share platforms and <B>maybe </B>the 4 cyl. engine.

nismo
01-18-2005, 01:16 AM
Wow I'm impressed with Hyundai. I thought they would've atleast did the door thing again. So the new Optima and the new Sonata are gonna be more different this time around? and they're not sharing engines..? i thought they would share engines but get different hp rating or something.<p>Back on topic.. I guess this is the Elantra. Very upmarket, almost too much.

megadethmartyr
01-20-2005, 12:16 AM
yeah, I don't see Kia getting the 3.3L anytime soon. I would expect the Optima to get the 3.5L V6 or retuned 2.7L.

oren
01-21-2005, 07:36 AM
It's not elantra<br>new elantra(HD) is looks like current elantra hatchback. and it's front resembles TG's<br>(cylinder type lamp and front grill)<br>you will see<br>

knicks125
01-21-2005, 07:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oren</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's not elantra<br>new elantra(HD) is looks like current elantra hatchback. and it's front resembles TG's<br>(cylinder type lamp and front grill)<br>you will see<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>so it's an optima?

oren
01-21-2005, 08:02 AM
yes. It's optima

knicks125
01-21-2005, 08:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oren</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes. It's optima</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, back to square one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>everyone keep your eyes open when the "real" thing leaks out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
01-21-2005, 11:16 AM
who do you guys think of hyundai-kia aiming for clear brand identities, by creating separate slogans for each...please discuss here: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13405" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13405</A><p>thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Banker
01-24-2005, 12:50 PM
There are several cars in this thread...the one on the truck is not a Hyundia/KIA. the other one on the road has four lug wheels and appears to be a smaller Hyundia or KIA. The latter pictures appear to be the next Optima, not the size of the vehicle and that it has five lug wheels and not the smaller cars four lug set up. Can someone post the pictures under the Optima thread?

nismo
01-24-2005, 01:07 PM
sometimes automakers use 4 lugs on 4cyl and 5 on 6cyl. See previous gen. Accord. Ones probably a 4cyl Optima and the other is a V6..

knicks125
01-24-2005, 02:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are several cars in this thread...the one on the truck is not a Hyundia/KIA. the other one on the road has four lug wheels and appears to be a smaller Hyundia or KIA. The latter pictures appear to be the next Optima, not the size of the vehicle and that it has five lug wheels and not the smaller cars four lug set up. Can someone post the pictures under the Optima thread?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not even the industy experts can figure them out and you are that certain? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I wouldn't based the judgment only on its wheels<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 4:26 PM 1/24/2005</i>

Banker
01-24-2005, 03:14 PM
I am pretty sure. I guess we all are in a wait and see pattern. But even the untrained eye can tell that there are three different cars in this threads photos. I expect to see the results I predicted above based on previous images.

nismo
01-24-2005, 06:29 PM
Whats the difference between the TCC "Elantra" and the third group of pics? They look the same to me... same headlights, grille, bumper, doors. and you can't say they're different sizes because of the different views. I doubt the Optima and the Elantra are going to have the same front end. Also, all new Hyundais have a single bar, both cars have 2 bars.

Andre
01-25-2005, 01:28 AM
No difference, they are all the 2006 Kia Optima<p>I'll change the thread name

r0b
01-25-2005, 10:43 AM
There might be a little difference between the TCC pics and the other ones! Check the rear lights! The white stripe on the TCC pic is at the bottom. If you zoom the other pic, you can see the white stripe abowe..Hope you understand what I mean :)

knicks125
01-25-2005, 10:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There might be a little difference between the TCC pics and the other ones! Check the rear lights! The white stripe on the TCC pic is at the bottom. If you zoom the other pic, you can see the white stripe abowe..Hope you understand what I mean :)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. The TCC spy shot is defn. not the Optima, just take a look at the grille and the size of the car. I am not sure why we so quickly decided this is the next gen Optima and changed the title of the thread (the one on the truck, however, probably is the next Optima), but I think we should revert the title of this thread back to 2007 Hyundai Elantra, as the TCC spy shot clearly resemble more like the next gen Elantra (at least more than the Optima), and start a new thread of the Optima in the spy pics section

nismo
01-25-2005, 02:07 PM
We already know the one on the truck is not even a Hyundai product... its the next GM Daewoo Magnus(look at the wheels and even the shape is similar to the current model), the link says its a Daewoo not a Kia. The other pics both have the same front end and they don't have a hyundai grill, they have 2 bars not one (i.e. Sonata, Tucson). I do see the tail light difference but how hard is it to change tail light designs..

Andre
01-25-2005, 02:26 PM
The greenhouse and door shape resembles the Optima, as well as the headlamp and grill. The taillamps are easily exchanged (look at the Taurus and Sable) depending on tha market. The main tail lamp difference I see is color and layout of the lenses, which Kia tends to change from Market to Market.

nismo
01-25-2005, 09:31 PM
Thats exactly how I see it..

knicks125
01-26-2005, 07:23 AM
If the car on the truck is not the Optima (which I still think it is), then there are no optima pics in this thread. The rest of the pics in here are not Optimas (other than the pic on the truck, the rest closely resemble the next gen Elantra), I still think the rest of the pics are too small to be the Optima; and if it was the Optima, then Kia is taking a step back in its design <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Can someone translate the page (pics) posted by Santeno? Thanks! Sorry but I am still not buying it is a Daewoo.

r0b
01-26-2005, 08:32 AM
Try this:<br> <A HREF="http://www.1-800-translate.com/machine_trans/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.1-800-translate.com/machine_trans/</A> <br>You can translate korean into English!

knicks125
01-26-2005, 09:46 AM
Thanks for that site but it didn't work out too well. If someone is able to read Korean and wouldn't mind translating the page into English (just the summary would be good), that'd be great <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=28393&page=1&select=&content=" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...tent=</A><p>If the above is not the Optima, then there are no spy pics of the Optima in this thread and the title is misleading <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
01-26-2005, 08:58 PM
I thought we got through this already...... The picture at BoBaeDream is the GM Daewoo Magnus. Notice the curved doorline over the rear wheel.<p>The other photos (including the TCC ones) are ALL of the Kia Optima (or replacement thereof) <p>Please take notice of the more angular corners on the optima, and the straight rear door edge, while the Magnus has smooth shapes around the greenhouse and a curved rear door edge (I will post comparison images soon)<p><IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/H/hyundai/03-large/Hyundai-Elantra-03.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Optima Source: <A HREF="http://www.Channel4.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.Channel4.com</A><p><IMG SRC="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/andref-Magnus.JPG" BORDER="0"><br>Magnus Source: <A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr</A>

r0b
02-06-2005, 11:51 AM
For those who still think the car on pics in this thread is Elantra...<p> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/giovanni_dee/Elantra" TARGET="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/giovanni_dee/Elantra</A> <p>This might be another proof! The car between Sonata and Tucson probably is Elantra!<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 8:02 PM 2/6/2005</i>

Andre
02-06-2005, 09:00 PM
The car is Optima, compare it to the Sonata

Laguna
02-07-2005, 02:50 AM
I dont understand??? What is the connection between the Optima and the Sonata????

drugmirko
02-07-2005, 03:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Laguna</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont understand??? What is the connection between the Optima and the Sonata????</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>well... Kia was bought by Hyundai, so you coluld look at those two cars in same relation as on... let say... VW Passat and A4 or C5 and 407 at PSA <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

r0b
02-07-2005, 03:30 AM
Why would be a Kia always seen between Hyundais?

PlatForm
02-07-2005, 08:05 AM
rOb, because Hyundai is Kia parents company and there is some Kia models such as Optima are based on Hyundai Sonata model.

knicks125
02-07-2005, 08:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PlatForm</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">rOb, because Hyundai is Kia parents company and there is some Kia models such as Optima are based on Hyundai Sonata model.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep...but we all know the Sonata is better than the Optima <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
02-07-2005, 11:28 AM
I was suggesting you compare their sizes<p>Hyundai owns Kia. The Hyundai Tucson and Kia Sportage are the same car uinder the skin. The Elantra and Spectra are the same car under the skin, the Amanti and XG are the same car, and the Optima and Sonata are/will be the same car. I'll post comparison shots of the current models to show you what I mean shortly. <p><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/HYUNDAI/SONATA/sdn/usa_2005_HYUNDAI_SONATA_sdn_4_x_exfrdrvr75_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://images.autobytel.com/view/aic/KIA/OPTIMA/sdn/usa_2004_KIA_OPTIMA_sdn_4_x_exfrdrvr75_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/HYUNDAI/SONATA/sdn/usa_2005_HYUNDAI_SONATA_sdn_4_x_exrrpass75_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/KIA/OPTIMA/sdn/usa_2005_KIA_OPTIMA_sdn_4_x_exrrpass75_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/HYUNDAI/SONATA/sdn/usa_2005_HYUNDAI_SONATA_sdn_4_x_exdrvrsd_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/KIA/OPTIMA/sdn/usa_2005_KIA_OPTIMA_sdn_4_x_exdrvrsd_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/HYUNDAI/SONATA/sdn/usa_2005_HYUNDAI_SONATA_sdn_4_x_indrvrdash_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/KIA/OPTIMA/sdn/usa_2005_KIA_OPTIMA_sdn_4_x_indrvrdash_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/HYUNDAI/SONATA/sdn/usa_2005_HYUNDAI_SONATA_sdn_4_x_infulldash_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v0011/images.autobytel.com/view/aic/KIA/OPTIMA/sdn/usa_2005_KIA_OPTIMA_sdn_4_x_infulldash_x.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source: <A HREF="http://www.autobytel.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobytel.com</A><p>I will find better Optima pictures tonight<p><br>Hyundai, fortunately, is not as bad as GM is about spending money, and the cars are more different than just a badge.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Andre at 10:39 AM 2/8/2005</i>

r0b
02-07-2005, 12:09 PM
Thnx! I understand what you're trying to say! I know that current Optima and Sonata are practically the same cars! <br>

Laguna
02-08-2005, 07:49 AM
So the next ones are going to be the same?

Banker
02-08-2005, 11:14 AM
They won't be the same... but they will be based off of the same platform and have common powertrains.

Andre
02-08-2005, 11:41 AM
hehehe.<p>I got better comparison shots and posted them above. the new ones should be about as diffferent from each other as these are.

hunbin11
02-10-2005, 09:41 PM
As you guys pointed out, we can see a lot of similarities between current Sonata and Optima. <p>When Hyundai took over Kia several years ago, Kia was struggling in the midsize sedan market with aging Credos (I do not know exactly if this name is correct) and desparately needed a new player (In Korea, Kia had been considered as major players in MPV and truck market, but not in passenger vehicles like sedans). So, Hyundai quickly modified the Sonata and put into the market, which was Optima. I might be wrong but it took only about a year to make and release Optima to the market from the merger. It was sort of cost and time saving strategy of Hyundai to put kia back on track by slightly changing the front and rear ends and interior of Sonata. This is the reason I know for the noted similarities between the two.<p>In terms of building two different cars based on the same platform, I think Tucson and new Sportage should be considered as the first serious effort from Hyundai and Kia and believe that we can see enough difference between these two at least from their looks. Upcoming Sonata and Optima will undoubtedly share a lot of mechanical components, but I believe that we will not see the twin-like similarities that can be observed from the current models.

megadethmartyr
02-10-2005, 10:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They won't be the same... but they will be based off of the same platform and have common powertrains.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Similar platforms, not the same. The Sonata will be a little bigger. Also, as it sits now, Kia isn't going to see the 3.3L any time soon. Probably will get the new 2.4l. I see the Amanti getting the 3.3L and the Optima getting the current 3.5L. Hyundai is making very sure the Optima will stay with the malibu and things like that, it won't have the refinement the Sonata does. It's not meant to.

Santeno
03-03-2005, 09:56 AM
New High resolution pics of the Optima Testing:<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=30945&page=1&select=&content" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...ntent</A>=<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=30947&page=1&select=&content" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...ntent</A>=<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=30946&page=1&select=&content" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...ntent</A>=<br>

knicks125
03-03-2005, 10:17 AM
Nice find Santeno <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Although I was having trouble with the 2nd link (and the 1st picture in there), it just doesn't look right <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
05-05-2005, 01:51 PM
Has anyone heard any news on the next Kia Optima/Magentis? <p>A couple of articles have said it would be released this year or early next year. I'm guessing it will make its debut at the Seoul(?) or Frankfurt Autoshow.<p>I've heard it will get the new Hyundai Sonata's platform but it won't be as big. They've said that this will be more focused on the European market and in Europe they like their Mid-Size cars slightly smaller that NA. Also, it will share the new 2.4l 4cyl with about 160hp but it won't get the 3.3l V6. Instead rumours are that it will feature either the current 2.7l V6 or the 3.5l V6 found in the XG350/Amati but which ever they use will be revised and will probably feature VVT technology to slightly increase horsepower and fuel mileage.. There most likely will be smaller engines, the 2.0l 4cyl will probally be available where its availabe in the New Sonata. <p>Kia is definately keeping this model a secret so I'm guessing it should be a nice improvement. I think it was smart on Hyundai's part to make the overall size of the vehicles different. They cover more of the market by doing so. I prefer slightly smaller midsize cars like the Mazda6 so I would probably prefer this over the Sonata. Good Idea Hyundai <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by nismo at 1:57 PM 5/5/2005</i>

eightballsidepocket
05-06-2005, 10:10 AM
So it probably wouldn't get assembled in Alabama, U.S.A. alongside the 2006 Hyundai Sonata?<p>I would think with the weakening dollar, since Kia is owned by Hyundai, we would see the optima being assembled in the new U.S. assembly plant. They do both share the same platform. Ford, GM, and Daimler/Chrysler do it.

nismo
05-06-2005, 02:36 PM
Its possible but if they don't share V6 engines and the 4cyl Sonatas are made in Korea mostly the Optimas are going to made in Korea still... (only V6 models are made in the US and the new Santa Fe set to be built there is now a V6-only model)<p>I'm shocked at how we knew so much about the Sonata and had so many pics but when it comes to its platform twin the Optima theres barely any info... if I remember correctly the other carspyshots site before the switch had spy pics of it including a pic of the dash to compare to the Sonata and they actually gave them different dashes and everything. I'm actually looking foward to see how different they are this time around.<p><br><i>Modified by nismo at 3:52 PM 5/6/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by nismo at 5:26 PM 5/7/2005</i>

nismo
05-07-2005, 05:27 PM
found it... (page3 has interior shot, very similar to new Rio)<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1088625968" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....25968</A>

eightballsidepocket
05-07-2005, 06:32 PM
I think its a dead link. Couldn't pull it up.

Dodger
05-09-2005, 05:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> 4cyl Sonatas are made in Korea</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The first 4cyl Sonatas that get sold in the U.S. will be from Korea but once they reach full production state-side, the 4cyl 's will be produced here too. I think I read that in the Sonata thread.

Santeno
05-09-2005, 06:56 AM
Interior shot frmo the old forum:<p><IMG SRC="http://server5.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-special1095404257_2.jpg" BORDER="0">

SHEPO
05-09-2005, 03:24 PM
overall, i think the car looks nice. looks a bit like the subie legacy with a roofline similar to the 5-series. interior is ok; the sonata's looks better so far, but its still in testing, so thats subject to change.

megadethmartyr
05-09-2005, 04:34 PM
I should mention that the Optima won't be built in Alabama. Granted, that could change in the future, but I doubt it.

jro4566
05-09-2005, 04:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interior shot frmo the old forum:<p><IMG SRC="http://server5.uploadit.org/files/epitherm-special1095404257_2.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Call me picky but all the wood trim in Kia's parts bin can't make this interior look upscale. I like the new Rio's interior (for its class) but this design just looks too generic and old. Yes the new Sonata is a generic car, but the interior looks like understated elegance whereas this one just screams "rental."

nismo
05-09-2005, 06:13 PM
I'll wait for official pics of the interior before I compare it to the Sonata's, but I like what I see so far... <p>I'm glad they made such a change between the 2 models, its gives them more character... I don't see how a big company like Ford can't do the same for Mercury/Lincoln.

JBlair
05-09-2005, 08:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll wait for official pics of the interior before I compare it to the Sonata's, but I like what I see so far... <p>I'm glad they made such a change between the 2 models, its gives them more character... I don't see how a big company like Ford can't do the same for Mercury/Lincoln. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You have seen the Milan/Zephyr, right? Their interiors are completely different.

Andre
05-10-2005, 12:16 AM
Materials are different... but they have the same steering wheel, shifter, and ergonomics. Lincoln also changed the instrument surround a little. That's it

jro4566
05-10-2005, 03:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Materials are different... but they have the same steering wheel, shifter, and ergonomics. Lincoln also changed the instrument surround a little. That's it</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Zephyr has a completely different dashboard compared to the Milan/Fusion. It has a different steering wheel, shifter, gauges, radio/NAV system, climate control system, vents, etc. The only thing it shares is part of the door paneling.<p>You're probably thinking of the Milan, which is basically the Fusion interior but with "metallic trim" - the usual Mercury stuff.

nismo
05-10-2005, 07:23 PM
I will agrre that they did a good job with the Zephyr but...<br>-F150/Mark T<br>-Fusion/Milan<br>-500/Montego<br>-Escape/Mariner<br>-Windstar/?<br>-Crown Victoria/?<br>... maybe next time around there will be a difference. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
05-10-2005, 07:48 PM
Windstar/ Monterey<br>Crown Vic/ Grand Marquis<br>Explorer/ Mountaineer<br>

Swallow Doretti
05-15-2005, 11:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, as it sits now, Kia isn't going to see the 3.3L any time soon. Probably will get the new 2.4l. I see the Amanti getting the 3.3L and the Optima getting the current 3.5L.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bull. The Optima is getting the same 3.3-L V6 as the top powertrain; the old 2.7-L V6 is going away entirely eventually. The Optima will be smaller than the Sonata, and the handling will be sportier--the same person who was in charge of tuning the Mazda 6 and Mazdaspeed Protege is handling development of the US-spec Optima chassis. Look for the car to be shown at Frankfurt in the Fall, and to hit US dealerships in December.

Andre
05-15-2005, 11:30 PM
bgluck, you and I have had our disagreements before<p>There will be a second generation of the 2.7 called "Delta II" and it'll just be an upgrade of the current one which has some new feeatures<p>VVT<br>Coil-on-plug<br>Drive-by-wire<br>and more (can't get confirmation on what though)<p>It should be more powerful and fuel efficient, we should see it soon in the Tucson and Tibby which aren't designed to hold the Lambda series engines.<p>btw, since you're in my territory you can't play games in here, and you certainly can't drive me off

Swallow Doretti
05-16-2005, 09:16 AM
The current iteration of the Tiburon has only one year left--it's being replaced for 2007 with a new, RWD-based model. Hyundai confirmed that two weeks ago.<p>The Delta-II was originally supposed to arrive with the 2005 Tibby facelift, but that didn't happen. We'll see if I'm right (again) come September.

Andre
05-16-2005, 09:30 AM
I heard Delta II should make its debut along with the international version of the Santa Fe... There were rumors the Tibby would recieve engine upgrades with the facelift but yes, it never happened. From what I understand it is still scheduled to happen for all 2006 cars with Deltas, I've heard many times over the Tucson will have an engine upgrade for 06.<p>This is my take on the entire engine debate here...<p>The Sonata is Hyundais latest and greatest. It will come from the new North American manufacturing plant and the company will tout it as much as they can for a while<p>The Optima is going to be quieter, and second in running for everything. The 3.3 will probably take a while before it's up to speed, and considering it will appear in at least the new Fe and Tiburon next year, I suspect it will be a while before the company truly is producing enough to go around. I believe the Optima will be imported, but don't quote me on that, further going to say it may not recieve the same engines as the Sonata..<p>I won't outright say You're wrong, but I'm not letting you get away without at least acknowledging you may be mistaking in this instance

Patrick
05-16-2005, 10:12 AM
If anything, if "Delta II" makes it to production, then it will most likely see duty in the new Elantra as that car moves slightly upmarket.<p>I think Hyundai may be trying to take a play from Nissan's book, a la the VQ. I think that's smart on their part. Plus with the new Optima slated to be a "performance" sedan, the 3.3 in the US is more than likely.<p>As well, <b>both</b> bgluckman and Andre have info worth hearing, or at least stuff I want to hear about. I don't see why there should be a pissing contest going on just because there were differences on another site a way's back. Kiss and make up. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
05-16-2005, 11:45 AM
From a marketing standpoint it makes no sense what so ever to put a V6 in a compact economy car so I doubt the Elantra will get one... especially with the new 4cyl they just finished developing. I could see them using the new 2.4l 4cyl found in the Sonata for the Elantra GT(top model) though.<p>bgluckman, thanks for the info. Not to be rude but where are you (and Andre) getting your info? This is big news considering everyone has been saying that the Optima isn't getting the 3.3l. (I kind of believed it considering the Optima is supposed to be made in Korea and the Sonata 3.3l is only made in the US <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> ) Also, if the guy that tuned the Mazda6 and Mazdaspeed Protege is tuning this car it should be pretty good. Can't wait for Frankfurt, all will be answered by then...<p>Keep the info/news coming... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

goldsuv
05-16-2005, 12:58 PM
Both the 2.4 L and 3.3 l are made in the new engine plant in Asan Korea.

Swallow Doretti
05-16-2005, 01:42 PM
The Optima is definitely being imported--there are no plans (yet) to build any Kias here. That said, the car doesn't come out of Hyundai's factory in Ulsan; it comes from Kia's own factory, same as how the Tucson and Sportage come out of different factories.<p>Also, I don't know why you're saying the Santa Fe will use the 3.3-L, but US-spec models will use the 3.8 from the new Sedona. Euro-spec models may use the 3.3, especially since the Granduer (Azera) in Europe has that.<p>I have to admit, I'd be SHOCKED if the Tibby gets an engine upgrade for '06, since it'll only have 18 months left in its run (if that) at that point. Seems like a lot of work for a car with such a small volume, not to mention expense--AFAIK, if they upgrade they engines, they'll also have to pay to have the cars recertified for emissions.<p>As for my information, I chat pretty regularly with one of the directors of future products for Hyundai of America about what the coming years hold, and he's always dropping some interesting tidbits. I also got to cover the Detroit Auto Show for thecarlounge.net, and talked a bit with the Director of Communications for Kia of America about upcoming plans, as well as Butterfield himself. The big things mentioned were a) the new Optima will be in showrooms by December, and b) the Mesa is going into production as a vehicle above the Sorento.<p>One other thing: if you haven't yet read the May issue of Car & Driver and it's review of the Sportage, it's worth a read. It talks both about Gordon Dickie, who's in charge of tuning all the suspensions for new US-spec Kia products, and the fact that Kia sees themselves as BMW to Hyundai's Mercedes. That comment to me is important, because I wouldn't see BMW not using the 3.3-L over the 2.7-L for the Optima launch, would you? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
05-16-2005, 02:14 PM
cool write up... <p>Kia is really keeping this car under the wraps... I think I'm going to like this over the Sonata since its going to be smaller, "slightly" sportier and mostly likely cheaper <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> Like I've said before I would love to see something like the Mazda6 come out of this...<p>I actually wouldn't mind if the Sonata and Optima had different engines just as long as the engines are better than before and its a good all-around package.

Andre
05-16-2005, 03:59 PM
reason they would update the Tibby this late in the cycle would be because Delta II is a production change for all Delta engines, Not just specific models. It would actually be more expensive for Hyundai to use Delta I in the Tibby if they retool for Delta II in the International Santa Fe, which should start production long before the current Tiburon ends its run. <p>Now, don't quote me on it, because I heard it very loosly and not necessarily from the most trusted of sources, I heard the 3.3 and 3.8 would be interchanged in the Santa Fe much like the 2.7 and 3.5 are now, which is why I said that.<p>I get my information from sources both inside and outside Hyundai, I'd heard of Delta II from someone who went to a consumer clinic and saw the International Santa Fe, which is why I know Delta II will be in it. I heard of the 3.3 and 3.8 long ago, back when everyone was still saying the Sonata would have a 3.5L V6.

megadethmartyr
05-16-2005, 09:45 PM
The Tib is not a RWD nor will it be in the near future. I think Andre said this about the 2.7L getting updated with CVVT and whatnot and he is accurate. I am assuming that the Optima will have the newer version of the 2.7L. Andre is correct in saying that Hyundai is going to try and make the 3.3L the "Hyundai" engine. Also, bgluckman, the 3.8L is Hyundai's engine not KIA's. Also, for the record, Hyundai's developers don't talk to anyone. They have signed agreements. I assure you none of them are willing to lose their jobs and be sued to no end just to drop you "info", no matter how wrong it is. There is not ANY plans for a RWD Tib. Next gen will be based on the new Sonata platform strongly based off of the HCD-8 (which is a FWD platform). Please stop making things up. Hyundai hasn't confirmed anything about the Tib, hell they won't even let anyone see them.<p>*side note- there is a 50-50 chance of the 07 TIb having a supercharged 2.7L or the 3.3L.

Andre
05-16-2005, 10:21 PM
Actually, I believe Hyundai did let slip the Tib was going RWD next gen, I'm poking around to find it right now. Kia may use the 3.8 because it will be in some of their higher end models, like the Sedona. And I have talked to a Hyundai planner who let slip some basic info, though very cryptic about it and left a lot of holes.<p>** ok, Hyundai execs said...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, we are developing rear-wheel drive for the next sports car</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Read into it the way you want to, it leaves a lot of room for speculation. Personally, I think the Tibby name will stay with the sports car while the new FWD coupe will get a new name<p>If you guys want to keep this conversation up can we please create a new conversation in the rumors area? I want to stay on topic, but discussions like these are good and bad... Good because it trades a lot of info, bad because it can cause unrest. it ould be easier to clean up a whole thread, and this would stay on topic, but we'd still get information around.

megadethmartyr
05-16-2005, 10:23 PM
Yeah, this one took a weird turn. The Tib is out next summer so that isn't much time for a full development of a RWD platform.

Swallow Doretti
05-16-2005, 10:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Tib is not a RWD nor will it be in the near future. <p>You're wrong.<p><A HREF="http://forums.thecarlounge.net/zerothread?id=1964727" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.thecarlounge.net...64727</A><p>[QUOTE=megadethmartyr]Also, bgluckman, the 3.8L is Hyundai's engine not KIA's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hyundai, Kia who cares? Hyundai owns 49% of Kia...it's like arguing about the difference between Ford and Mazda, or Renault and Nissan.

megadethmartyr
05-16-2005, 11:24 PM
The difference between Hyundai and Kia will keep getting bigger.

OlsenHyundai
05-17-2005, 09:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bgluckman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hyundai, Kia who cares? Hyundai owns 49% of Kia...it's like arguing about the difference between Ford and Mazda, or Renault and Nissan.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yeah it's pointless as their powertrain R&D centers have been merged into one.<br>BTW Kia has their own Lambda engine production line in Hwasung, where the Optimas are made.<br>

nismo
05-17-2005, 09:44 AM
Which engine is the Lambda?<p>Is it a good idea for Kia to release this car without showing it at an Autoshow here in the US..? I would think they would want to create a buzz, so they better have a good marketing campaign for this car. Hopefully they will show it at the Miami autoshow like they did the Sportage last year.<p>Hopefully all the people that are going to look at the new Sedona when it comes out this fall will check it out...

Swallow Doretti
05-17-2005, 12:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which engine is the Lambda?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The new 3.3-L and 3.8-L V6s are the Lambda engines.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it a good idea for Kia to release this car without showing it at an Autoshow here in the US..? I would think they would want to create a buzz, so they better have a good marketing campaign for this car. Hopefully they will show it at the Miami autoshow like they did the Sportage last year.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, that's where the first Optima was introduced, too. It does seem odd not to have a splashy launch in the US somewhere, though.

fyundai
05-18-2005, 07:20 AM
Just a thought on the Tib RWD quotes:<p>There was a story on the cover of Automotive News two weeks ago where Korean officials announced America would get a RWD luxury car positioned above the Azera in 2007 based on the Equus.<p>But the Tib has only FWD platforms available.

nismo
05-18-2005, 01:31 PM
We're still not sure what V6 the Optima will get but I was just over at one of the Edmunds discussion boards and someone said that the "Delta II" 2.7l V6 has VVT, 197hp, and is chain driven. That is a good engine for whatever cars get it...<p>bgluckman, I hope they show this at the Miami autoshow... I always go there.

spwolf
05-18-2005, 01:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The difference between Hyundai and Kia will keep getting bigger.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont see that happening, in fact I see them looking more and more alike. New Accent and its Kia counterpart look similar on the outside and exactly the same inside. Sportage and Tucson?<p>Now, I know press releases say differently but my eyes are still good :-)

nismo
05-18-2005, 01:50 PM
if you look again the new Accent and Rio interiors are more distinguished than cars like Fusion/Milan.. And the reason those models are so alike is because they are cheap so they would lose alot of money if they made them completely different. <p>Look at the Elantra/Spectra and like you mentioned the Tucsun and Sportage.. they don't look that alike, I highly doubt the average person can tell they share anything. There are pics of both the Sonata and new Optima dash and they are nothing alike.

knicks125
05-18-2005, 01:56 PM
Cars wearing Hyundai badge will be more powerful (performance) than Kias, while Kia cars will be more sportier (handling) than Hyundais...those are the distinction when Hyundai-Kia created its new slogans...

r0b
05-18-2005, 02:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cars wearing Hyundai badge will be more powerful (performance) than Kias, while Kia cars will be more sportier (handling) than Hyundais..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not good! Performance & handling should be combined!

knicks125
05-18-2005, 03:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Not good! Performance & handling should be combined! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What I meant was on a comparison basis only. Hyundai cars will have adequate performance and handling, while Kia will also have adequate peformance and handling. Hyundai is trying to stress the difference between the two by making Hyundai cars more refined, and Kia cars more young spirited. Thus I said peformance is better on Hyundai cars than they are on Kias, and handling is better on Kias than they are on Hyundais; not to say both aren't adequate - one is aimed toward the main market, while the other is aimed more toward the young crowd...

megadethmartyr
05-18-2005, 08:18 PM
Knicks, what the idea behind the upscale and sporty directions is kind like this: <br>Hyundai is aiming at Honda and Toyota. refined with great handling (that's the Honda part).<br>Kia is aiming at Mazda type vehicles. Not the fastest, but go cart handling. Not overly refined.

knicks125
05-19-2005, 05:16 AM
thank you for the clarification...i'm learning this great company as I go <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
05-21-2005, 01:25 PM
Heres a pic of the new Optima testing with the Sonata. You can see that they share doors but the Optima isn't as big.<p><A HREF="http://img80.exs.cx/img80/824/hyundai_elantra-1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img80.exs.cx/img80/824/...1.jpg</A>

nismo
06-22-2005, 02:52 PM
read on the autoexpress website...<p><br><I>Wednesday 4th May 2005<p>Kia's Mondeo Is Taking Shape<p><br>nauthorised but 100 per cent official - that's the only way to describe the amazing new Ford Mondeo rival from Kia.<p>The pencil sketch in this week's mag of an aggressive four-door family car was given exclusively to Auto Express during a visit to the company's design HQ in South Korea. It reveals a D-segment hatchback, and we've learned there won't be a long wait to see it in the metal - the car will make its world debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September.<p>Also shown in this week's mag is how the production version could look when it goes on sale. But there's still a mystery; Kia already has a new full-sized family hatchback - to be badged the Magentis - which it will unveil and put on sale in Britain within the next few months in 2.0-litre petrol and diesel guise<p>. The car seen here isn't it, and one theory is that it could be the model after that.<p>Ironically, the first Magentis is known internally by the codename MG, but company top brass in Seoul nervously laughed off suggestions they might be interested in acquiring the crisis-hit British brand!<br>Meanwhile, we can confirm other new models are on the way. In the pipeline is a fresh version of the Carens MPV, which will arrive late next year. And this is in addition to the drop-top variant of the new Rio that we revealed was on the drawing board in Korea back in issue 848.<p>Kia bosses have also told us they will invest big money in factories and research centres all over Europe in the coming years. One such plant in Slovakia is set to produce several models for the UK market.<br>Mike Rutherford </I> <p>Does anyone have the issue with the sketch? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">

Miyka'el
07-18-2005, 10:54 PM
Here are some fuzzy spy shots of the new Optima that I hadn't seen on this website before.<p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/national1121699501.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/%BF%C9%C6%BC%B8%B6%20%C8%C4%BC%D3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...3.jpg</A><p>They're definitely not that great, but I decided to share since I figured you guys would enjoy 'em anyway. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Later,<br>Mike

knicks125
07-19-2005, 05:25 AM
Looks good anyway...thanks mike.<p>This one should be interesting as I would suspect another quality product from Hyundai/Kia <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

nismo
07-19-2005, 11:27 AM
The rear styling is still up in the air... It looks different in almost all the pics.<p>This car needs to debut already. I want to see how it comes out and what engines Hyundai will make it use...

ConceptVBS
07-19-2005, 11:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Miykael</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here are some fuzzy spy shots of the new Optima that I hadn't seen on this website before.<p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/national1121699501.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...1.jpg</A><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Break away mirrors!<p>

Miyka'el
07-19-2005, 03:37 PM
Yes, isn't that sweetness? Let's hope they keep 'em that way....<p>Mike

autodanse
07-19-2005, 07:16 PM
that second one of the back looks very much like an a8<p>i think the new rio was very well executed, so im curious to see this uncovered.

Miyka'el
07-20-2005, 12:42 AM
I just found these about 40 minutes before posting this. The <I>CarSpyShots</I> website was down, so I went ahead and posted them on <I>Edmunds.com</I>.<p>I know you all will be psyched to see these!<p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751767.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751699_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751611.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751612_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751767_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751699.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...9.jpg</A><p><br>Mike

knicks125
07-20-2005, 05:41 AM
Great find Mike <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This is coming out to be a great car. From what is not covered, the interior is very nicely designed...can't wait to see this (in Frankfurt is it?)

Naga Royal Guard
07-20-2005, 05:44 AM
quirky, melted styling is quickly becoming a think of hyundai/kia's past - the XG350 was the beginning of it; elantra too <p>at this rate BMW will be forced to change!

nismo
07-20-2005, 11:14 AM
Finally some new shots! Its coming together quite nicely but like I said before the rear is completely up in the air for me... in these pics they seem most red like the current Accord's.<p>The interior is looking really good, they've made alot of changes since the last interior shot. I'm hoping the interior is offered in black, if they're aiming to get some youth like Mazda and Nissan in the US they have to offer black/dark interiors (ex. all Scions <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> ).

Miyka'el
07-20-2005, 12:29 PM
"...<I>but like I said before the rear is completely up in the air for me... in these pics they seem most red like the current Accord's</I>."<p>It makes me wonder if mama Hyundai thought the "original design" was too similar to the Sonata (<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8702_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A>), decided to keep the general shape, but alter their surface appearance. On the other hand, there were two different taillight color combinations exhibited on the CM test mules (amber and red rear blinkers), yet we've only seen the uncovered Australian unit with the amber design. Of course that doesn't mean that there won't be different designs for different markets....<p>Mike

Miyka'el
07-20-2005, 01:05 PM
knicks125, I do believe it will debut at Frankfurt in September. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Cheerio!<br>Mike

piokor
07-20-2005, 10:12 PM
I can't tell, but is that interior identical to that of the Sonata?

Miyka'el
07-20-2005, 11:12 PM
No, they're quite a bit different overall -- though there are some similarities and shared bits. Here's the Sonata: <br><IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/comparison/2005/sonata.accord.camry/06.hyundai.sonata.int.500.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Source of photo: <I>Edmunds.com</I><p>Mike

nismo
07-21-2005, 09:27 AM
They are quite different. They have different dashboards for sure. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Miyka'el, I think your right about the rear. Hyundai must have felt the rear was too similar to the Sonata's so they changed it, I hope they are completely different styling wise, I know the rear of the Optima is actually shorter/higher than the Sonata's...

megadethmartyr
07-25-2005, 08:24 PM
THis time around the Optima is expected to stand on it's own feet and not rely on a huge Sonata resemblence to sell. I can't say for sure about the powertrains, but I can safely say that the Optima will not share in Sonata refinement. I would expect this to be aimed at Mazda, Ford, GM (and all it's multiples). The Sonata is directly targeted at the Camry, Accord, and Altima.

Miyka'el
07-26-2005, 08:23 PM
Another new rear shot:<p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1122295873.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...3.jpg</A><p>The taillights look finalized to me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Mike

nismo
07-26-2005, 09:39 PM
Why do I think the rear is going to look like the new IS but not as fancy.

Roadster44
07-26-2005, 10:01 PM
Gorgeous absolutely gorgeous...job well done. Interior looks splendid too. Every detail has been looked at, the controls, the panels, etc etc. I love...and this is going to cost how much and feature which luxury amendities?

Miyka'el
07-26-2005, 10:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do I think the rear is going to look like the new IS but not as fancy. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Umm... cuz it will, perhaps? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Yep, I think you hit it right on the nose there, buddy! Good eye.<p>Now just think about that for a second.... that's just crazy. <p>Mike<p><IMG SRC="http://www.beyondhollywood.com/moviepics/napoleondynamite1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><I>Sweet</I>!<br> -Napolean Dynamite

nismo
07-26-2005, 10:54 PM
More reason to consider buying one.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Just need info on the engines...still...

hunbin11
07-29-2005, 02:49 PM
New Spyshots!!<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data/data_view.php?code=special&No=37589&page=1&select=&content=" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.com/boar...tent=</A>

against the wall
07-29-2005, 03:51 PM
that steering wheel configuration looks to be similar to the pilot one.

AXLE
07-31-2005, 02:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Miykael</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just found these about 40 minutes before posting this. The <I>CarSpyShots</I> website was down, so I went ahead and posted them on <I>Edmunds.com</I>.<p>I know you all will be psyched to see these!<p><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751767.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751699_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751611.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751612_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751767_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/table/spyshot2/upload/special1121751699.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/bo...9.jpg</A><p><br>Mike</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now can somebody explain to me why you wouldn't unzip the zipper and take photos of it exposed?!?!?!? seems kinda pointless taking photos of the material that covers the car. If I ever got a chance like that I would go all out especially if I would have been able to get that close.

CARSRTHEWORLD
07-31-2005, 05:48 AM
if you touch the car, you are breaking the law, they can then really do anything they want to you.

Spy Guy
07-31-2005, 06:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AXLE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now can somebody explain to me why you wouldn't unzip the zipper and take photos of it exposed?!?!?!? seems kinda pointless taking photos of the material that covers the car. If I ever got a chance like that I would go all out especially if I would have been able to get that close.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, here is your unzipped picture (again!)...<p> <A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8701_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A> <p> <A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8702_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p>I dont know why they are drinving around with that heavy camo in the US. Here in Germany they are driving without it.

knicks125
07-31-2005, 05:52 PM
GHPixx, these are old pics. I believe they're the first ones to appear on the net, they might be on the first few pages of this thread.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 8:23 AM 8/1/2005</i>

Santeno
08-01-2005, 07:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GHPixx, these are old pics. I believe they're the first ones to appear on the net, they might be on the first few pages of this thread.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>He knew, that's why he said this:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GHPixx</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, here is your unzipped picture <b>(again!)</b>...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>He was only showing them to Axle, in response to his comment.

knicks125
08-01-2005, 11:59 AM
Oh okay. Thanks Santeno <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Sorry GHPixx for the misunderstanding <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Boeing777
08-03-2005, 09:24 AM
Does anybody know whether an uncamouflaged of the new Magentis (Optima) exists ?<br>The new Magentis starts its career at the motor-show in frankfurt in September 05 and I didn't see any pics....<br>

against the wall
08-03-2005, 09:39 AM
theres an entire thread here with a lot of pictures. o whoops i guess while i was typing this the threads got combined.

Excellerator
08-03-2005, 10:59 AM
Kia needs to change the name of the car. There's an Optima battery and I just saw a commercial for a Eureka Optima vacuum cleaner. To me "Optima" has lost its originality.

Santeno
08-03-2005, 11:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hyundai_Fan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Kia needs to change the name of the car. There's an Optima battery and I just saw a commercial for a Eureka Optima vacuum cleaner. To me "Optima" has lost its originality.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Maybe they should call it Optimus, with the highest end variant being the Optimus Prime.

xsaku
08-03-2005, 09:12 PM
KIA decided to call this car "Lotze", today.<p><A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=national&No=53897&page=1&select=&content" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...ntent</A>=<br>(Korean only..)

Santeno
08-04-2005, 06:22 AM
1st, what does the name mean? 2nd, is that a KDM only name or will export models carry it as well?

DSC-OFF
08-04-2005, 06:48 AM
I remember studying about <I>Hermann Lotze</I> in school, who was some philosopher in the 19th century..other than that Dictionary.com has no definition for <I>Lotze</I>

DSC-OFF
08-04-2005, 06:56 AM
<IMG SRC="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/national/national1123131425.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/national/national1123131425_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/...2.jpg</A><p>Heres a translation of that page:<p><I>The Kia Motors (000270) next month it was a come into the market plan and ` Ob mote E ` succeeding medium-sized beating `MG (project life) ` ` with the body (LOTZE) ` with it decided a car life, 4th it revealed.<br>` With the body ` the oneth people in the world-wide 5 high mountains it dries and the limit of oneself with the fact that with the mountain range it quotes a pronunciation from name of the body seal and ` it goes over a bigger success and the people who pursue a happiness meaning ` it respects and and kick it puts in. <p>Hunger a global brand possibility and at last car life it passed by when life public subscription which kicks and overview it investigated ` with the body ` it selected. Hunger car home page (www.kia.co.kr) from from June 29th until July 31st 33 in a few days were advanced and `MG` to car skillful workman wool event the consumers of 53243 people to participate it showed the interest which is hot. <p>` With the body ` ` Ob mote E ` the new concept medium-sized shoes roadway of the hunger car which at succession it makes public at only 5 years <b>1.8L, 2.0L, 2.4L</b> it is a plan come into the market with three branch model. It begins the style which is brief aims a world market the reel rear which is a formation car leveling instrument high class, world-wide leveling instrument side overlook the riding in a car feeling back which is comfortable is feature. <p>Hunger it kicks and ` with the body ` it makes go ahead and during that time it throws April come into the market after popularity which passes li it is sold a victory and defeat possibility in the medium-sized market which is weak and, ` phu_la_i tu ` with from riding market it comes out it is a policy together in regaining impaired reputation. <p>With the hunger car officials "the body efficiency and design all more Ub the new concept medium-sized beating which becomes the RAID", this if "domestic competes with the medium-sized car of of course world-wide flowing water, as it equips a style and the efficiency which do not search for entirely it believes firmly the success from medium-sized car market" it emphasized.<p>The reason which is 1 back economic intelligence multimedia.</I><p>?<p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/bo...ntent=" TARGET="_blank">BoBaeDream</A>

Santeno
08-04-2005, 08:26 AM
Could the name be a different spelling for the name of the Taoist philosophist Lao Zi (often spelled Laotse or Laotze)?<p><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_Zi" TARGET="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_Zi</A>

nismo
08-04-2005, 02:03 PM
Thats weird... Kia has official press release mentioning a new Magentis this fall. Maybe they ment replacement of the name as well. I doubt the Optima name will change since they never shared names to begin with.<p>I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but is it saying there was a preview on the Korean Kia sit:<br> <I>Hunger car home page (www.kia.co.kr) from from June 29th until July 31st 33 in a few days were advanced and `MG` to car skillful workman wool event the consumers of 53243 people to participate it showed the interest which is hot.<br></I> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

xsaku
08-09-2005, 11:11 PM
<A HREF="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/national/national1123650584.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/...4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/national/national1123650584_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/special/special1123649402_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/...2.jpg</A><br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br><i>Modified by xsaku at 11:36 PM 8/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 12:16 AM 8/10/2005</i>

Miyka'el
08-10-2005, 12:23 AM
Excellent shots - thank you!<p>The front really reminds me of the Infiniti Q45, while the rear strongly resembles the Saab 9-3. Sharp.<p>Mike

ConceptVBS
08-10-2005, 06:38 AM
<IMG SRC="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/national/national1123650584.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/national/national1123650584_2.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/special/special1123649402_2.jpg" BORDER="0">

ConceptVBS
08-10-2005, 06:50 AM
Kia Motors Corporation has confirmed that the world premiere of its all-new Kia Magentis four-door sedan will take place at the Frankfurt International Motor Show on 13 September. Designed at Kia facilities in Korea, the USA and Europe, the new Magentis marks the latest step in the complete regeneration of the Kia product line-up over the last four years<p>Longer, wider and higher than the previous model, with an extended 2720 mm wheelbase, more spacious interior and larger trunk, the stylish new Magentis is a thoroughly modern design, engineered to give Kia a strong challenger for D-Segment sales around the world. New Magentis measures 4735 mm long, 1805 mm wide and 1480 mm tall.<p>"Through hard work and dedication, we have totally transformed our product range in recent years," commented Yong-Hwan Kim, Senior Executive Vice President and COO of Kia Motors Corporation. "Starting with the Sorento 4x4, followed by the Picanto small car, the Cerato, the Sportage compact SUV and most recently the new Rio, we have demonstrated Kias determination to deliver a modern, highly competitive range of cars with immense customer appeal. With every new Kia model we have also demonstrated the growing Power to Surprise of our developing global brand."<p>As well as attracting customers with its stylish exterior and comfortable interior, new Magentis will come with a generous level of active and passive safety equipment, including ABS and ESP stability control, rear parking sensors, front, side and curtain airbags, and active (anti-whiplash) front seat head restraints - depending on model. Magentis will be backed by a fully comprehensive 3-year warranty.<p>In Europe, part of Kias sales success is attributable to the introduction of class-leading diesel engines across the range. New Magentis will be available with a new 2-litre diesel engine in Europe, as well as two petrol engines. "Like its sister Kia cars, new Magentis has been created with European consumers in mind," revealed Jean-Charles Lievens, Senior Vice President Kia Europe.<p>"With the Magentis launch, we will have competitive models in the A, B, C and D-Segments as well as the MPV and SUV sectors, maintaining the momentum of our rapid growth and our ability to attract more and more new customers to our brand," concluded Mr Lievens.

knicks125
08-10-2005, 07:00 AM
See here:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=16273" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=16273</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
08-18-2005, 12:41 PM
<A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Kia/100597688/20026551-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Kia/100597688/20026552-E.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...E.jpg</A>

knicks125
08-18-2005, 12:42 PM
we already saw the whole car thanks!<p>the link posted above:<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=16273" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=16273</A>