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Soul Man
12-28-2005, 06:05 PM
i hate to be the one to b!tch, and i understand this really more of a job of the moderators, and they do their best at stoppign this, but a problem of this great forum is really that many people are showing there biases to certain brands to baltantly lately, i wont say any names, but it is quite clear that this is becomign an issue. i thank the mods for trying to delete these posts, and for doign the best they can, but i realize you can only do so much, and at certain point the responsibility resides with the poster.<br>i understand that some biases will always show through a little bit but i please ask we cut down on teh blatant biases as whole<p>again i really hate to be the guy who will probably be hated by soem for bringing this up, and to the mods if this is out of line or creates to much of a problem i completely understand if this gets deleted, but this forum si just so good and well organized and id hate to see some of the "classiness" as ron burgundy wouyld say, brought down becuase a few of us care to express our biases to a certain brand to blantantly<p>past that this forum is great an di still thank those who moderate and express there opinions (usually fair balanced and worthwhile) to this forum, it is a great place and i hope it remains so i jhust hoep some of the brand biases expressed are realized and hope we all can bring in mostly fair balanced and worthwhile posts

Superfresa
12-28-2005, 06:22 PM
As said, moderators are doing a hel of a job to stop it, but people will always be people. This site is heaps better than any other forum out there in that sense, but its a good reminder call to people here.

against the wall
12-28-2005, 06:39 PM
yeah you should look at the autoweek forums. its horrible, the members there have no self control and the mods there lock threads for stupid reasons. they also have their own version of kam, who is known there by thom.

velsatis
12-28-2005, 07:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Soul Man</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hate to be the one to b!tch</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't worry, I do it all the time (I think you read my post on the S65 a while ago right?), anyway, you know I agree <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

Bluesman
12-28-2005, 07:07 PM
Well, just as long as you remember that everyone has a right to their opinion, it's how that opinion is expressed and how they treat others that may be the problem.....<p>I've moderated a board and I know it's a chore. At least this board isn't bad like GM Insiders!

AM2K
12-28-2005, 07:36 PM
Well its an interesting point to bring up, and thanks for sharing your concerns. <p>But from a personal point of view, i believe that we do try our best to maintain an open and constructive forum without bias. But if you count the number of members that there are on this site, its always gonna be likely that there may be members who are more passionate about certain brands. I'm guilty of that myself with supporting Land Rover and Jaguar (although i try not to force it on anyone i hope!). <p>Again, all i can say is that I hope that all fellow CSS members can follow the rules and general principals of this site, and by all means discuss topics. But discuss without any serious bias and respect other people's opinions on a topic. Not everyone has the same opinion, thats life!<p>Not meaning to sound a spoil-sport though, I would appreciate it, that if there any more replies to this thread, that we follow soul man's example and try to keep this general rather than finger point and naming any specific members. <br>

SV
12-28-2005, 07:57 PM
i have to agree with you soul man, but the biases of many members are too subtle, i think, to be stopped by the mods. i mean people who only say good things about one brand, but don't necessarily bash rival nameplates. it's almost as annoying to me regardless, but nobody can do anything about it.

anonms
12-28-2005, 07:58 PM
Sad to say, we're human!<p>But nonetheless, subtle bias isn't much of an issue, IMO-- it's the blatant and unwavering bias that irks me, personally.

Excellerator
12-28-2005, 08:53 PM
I personally try to be as neutral as possible. My username is "Hyundai_Fan" but I really like a lot of non-Hyundai vehicles. I drive a Camry and I love it. My father's Buick rides really nice. I drove a Ford Focus, Dodge Neon, and a Chrysler PT Cruiser for Driver's Ed. at school, and I loved all of those as well. True, I got a slight bias against domestic brands, but I wouldn't mind owning a Chevrolet Cobalt sedan if it was priced right. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
12-28-2005, 09:10 PM
im not really biased towards anything, if its nice and people say it does good, i like it.

Cozz
12-28-2005, 10:34 PM
OK- I admit it... I'm biased towards Toyota/Lexus and BMW. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But I will say this much, CSS is hell of a lot better than 99% of other sites out there. Being very biased can cause a lot of BS around here. But if all members are willing to listen to other members with different tastes then we can all learn from it.

StevenZoz
12-28-2005, 10:42 PM
i'm not really biased to anything.. i just cant stand posting in threads of cars that dont exist in the US. (i.e. puegot).<p>i've been with this site for half a year and i cant wait to finish the other half <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>its been a pleasant and fun-filled experience

zwei Biere bitte
12-28-2005, 10:56 PM
Yes, I like it that some members are biased... it's just the members who take that over the top (I'm not going to name names). Hey, without bias, this would be a very boring place. <p>Cheers.

anonms
12-28-2005, 11:25 PM
Yeah, as irritating as flame wars are, they make things exciting.

syclone
12-29-2005, 01:02 AM
I don't mind bias -- after a while you learn what people's biases are so you can ignore if you choose -- but I really hate posts that pretty say "this spied/new car will be awesome because its brand x" and don't offer anything constructive. (On the other hand I really don't mind small posts that just say "I like it" or "hate it" and nothing else. I know those posts often get deleted, but fact is a whole bunch of small posts like that do make a nice picture of what a small population feels about a product) I do think the brand bias gotten a lot worse, mainly because there seem to be more small fanboy groups for certain brands instead of a bunch of individuals having random biases as it used to be - but I will agree its better than anywhere else. For a while I stopped posting much, but then I just decided to stop reading anything topics I knew would be devoid of any criticism at all.

phaeton
12-29-2005, 03:50 AM
I'm a VW nut <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> can't help but post on the VWAG brands.<p>I admit I'm biased towards the brand but believe me i do have a very open mind. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Things I hate is when people think they know everything about a certain brand, but when these people like me who have a long love affair with one brand they know the truth from the facts i usually try and correct people if they have made a mistake.<p>Even I make mistakes we are not <B>Perfect</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
12-29-2005, 03:54 AM
I have an incredible knowledge about my fav brand, Land Rover, but even then, when I am in CSS even I have to shut up and learn from guys that know even more about it than me. This is the ONLY place ON EARTH this ever happens to me...<p>And look, I do have my bias, hopefully reasonably moderate, but I pride in being an all car lover, however hard it is to love a few cars out there.

mzoltarp
01-08-2006, 08:05 AM
The word "bashing" gets tossed around a lot. While there needs to be some threshold for civility, there seems to be an almost you-can-only-say-positive-thing mentality with some people. A person should be able to say I dislike a Yugo because of yadda yadda yadda without someone calling it bashing. The fine line is honest criticism versus biased opinionated rantings. The balance here is nearly right.

Superfresa
01-09-2006, 04:59 AM
I have to say, you make a valid point mzoltarp, I do feel that people do overuse "bashing" myself, you are right though, I personally find the balance in here is almost right.

Mil
01-14-2006, 12:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have an incredible knowledge about my fav brand, Land Rover, but even then, when I am in CSS even I have to shut up and learn from guys that know even more about it than me. This is the ONLY place ON EARTH this ever happens to me...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Same here - at school everyone thinks they know all about 'cars', i just be patient and quiet then i suprise them with my knowledge - same about computers. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

spwolf
02-03-2006, 04:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to say, you make a valid point mzoltarp, I do feel that people do overuse "bashing" myself, you are right though, I personally find the balance in here is almost right.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>indeed, some people are REALLY sensitive, and that includes some moderators.<br>I really dont think internet forum is an place where you should be overly sensitive over things that are being written.<p>So what, I personally preffer Toyota as I sell them (and Hyundai's). I know a lot about inner workings as I deal with it every day. And If I say I think Toyota's are the best, in Toyota car thread, should that be the reason for someone to get insulted?<p>Now, some forums are completly out of line, where you are either an hater or lover and there is no in between. Autoweek is an good example how crazy people can get.<p>But there has to be an balance. We have to be able to walk the fine line between putting accross OUR opinon and purposly bashing someone.<p>If every thread is us just confirming everyone else's opinions, it would be pretty damn boring world.

Santeno
02-06-2006, 09:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The word "bashing" gets tossed around a lot. While there needs to be some threshold for civility, there seems to be an almost you-can-only-say-positive-thing mentality with some people. A person should be able to say I dislike a Yugo because of yadda yadda yadda without someone calling it bashing. The fine line is honest criticism versus biased opinionated rantings. The balance here is nearly right.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have to say, you make a valid point mzoltarp, I do feel that people do overuse "bashing" myself, you are right though, I personally find the balance in here is almost right.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Regarding these and Spwolf's post above, I hope that you guys understand that we try very hard to keep the discussion constructive. Perhaps we can be a bit over sensitive at times (and trust me we are aware of it and are purposely trying to let discussions flow more naturally). It's not that we only want positive comments, but rather that we want SUPPORTED Criticism.<p>In other words, we don't really want posts that say "I like it" or It's Cool, Or It's Fugly", or "This car Sucks", Etc. If you are going to tell us your personal feelings about a car, be they positive or negative, please grace us with a supporting explanation of why your opinion is what it is.<p>Traditionally we've taken the position that unsupported opinions don't really add anything to a discussion, and when we clean up the board periodically, we've tended to delete them.