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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 11:26 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1073367059" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....67059</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>From Autobuild:<p><IMG SRC="http://premium.uploadit.org/ascariss/volvo_hatch.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>From the chatter on the Volvo sites, this is the real deal.<p>220 bhp, front or all wheel drive with the rumor of a 300 bhp (S60 Motor) all wheel drive R version.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not spy pics yet, maybe this winter, continue discussion here.

geary
12-21-2004, 05:11 AM
I'm not sure, I much prefer CWW's rendition of it on the old site. Not sure if anyone's seen it. It's great.

Shomare
01-10-2005, 06:27 PM
Was confirmed today at the Detroit auto show. The car will be produced.<p>It is to be called the C30 and wil be an 06 model. Built on the same platform as the S40 but a bit shorter. <p>Bring it to the States, Bring it to the States, Bring it to the States, Bring it to the States......<p>Or I'll be forced to buy an awd Fusion!

Roadster44
01-10-2005, 07:04 PM
Watch for MPV's and hatchbacks from all manufacturers. Something else I found peculiar is at NAIAS they have a Vauxhall Astra diesel hybrid. hmmmm Santemo, Ascariss?

kid
01-10-2005, 08:41 PM
dunno anything about it but its santeno the chicken man <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>but i do prefer CWW's impression more than this one

Rugbyplaya91
01-10-2005, 09:07 PM
if they keep that back the same... uggh.. probelms

iamalittlepepper
01-10-2005, 11:46 PM
For Ascariss, this will be purely a 3 door?

DrPetrus
01-11-2005, 01:41 AM
I'm hoping they are taking their design cues from the concept cars YCC and 3CC rather than from the old concept car SCC. SCC is not very pretty or exciting any longer although I still like the see-through a-pillar. The pictures below are from <A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com</A><p>SCC:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//Concept%20Cars/SCC/Exterior/007.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>YCC:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//Concept%20Cars/YCC/Photos/020.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>And finally, 3CC, my favourite of the three. Make this one into a normal hatch, instead of a three-seater, and Volvo has a winner in my opinion:<br><IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//Concept%20Cars/3CC/006.jpg" BORDER="0">

bolita
01-11-2005, 11:31 AM
I assume that it will be simply an S40 without the rear end.... Just a hatch.<p>However I "HOPE" that it will be more agressive to appeal to younger buyers despite the fact the I find the S40 to be very appealing... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Shomare
01-11-2005, 01:09 PM
It is to have 220 bhp and all wheel drive option just like current S40.<p>Runmor has it that the R version will have the S60 R's 300 bhp motor <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
01-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Both 3 and 5 door versions have to be made, Volvo wouldn't want to miss put on the young family area who usually get the 5 door cuz of kids.

Hexa VVRCi
01-11-2005, 05:02 PM
i an suprised there havent been any sightings yet, any reasons

Hornbag
01-12-2005, 12:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or I'll be forced to buy an awd Fusion!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats the reason why i want to move to the US!<p>Well, the rendering is OK, but i really like those concept cars <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> , the car should looks much more agressive IMO, so to get Volvo's buying audience lower, make it fairly cheap, drive well and stylish then make a deal with Apple with the iPod and there you have it, fool proff! LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> Im a genious!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
01-12-2005, 03:00 PM
This is a little off topic but whatever happened to the rumor that Volvo was coming out with a smaller SUV based off the S40? Is this ( the C30) what they were really talking about? There were a few nice renderings in the old forum of what it could look like. I think it was a good idea but I don't hear about it anymore. Anyone else know what happened? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
01-12-2005, 03:52 PM
a few pics that MSN autos took during a video clip of it<br><IMG SRC="http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2005/photos/l_VolvoC30-2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2005/photos/l_VolvoC30-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2005/photos/l_VolvoC30-3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>the article-<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <I>Volvo Provides Brief Glimpse of C30 Coupe <br> <br> <br> <br>Volvo announced today that it would produce a new coupe in 2006, although there wasnt much for us to see.<p><br>Called the C30, the new coupe will be the smallest car ever to come from Volvo. Its expected to be about eight inches shorter than the S40.<p><br>Volvo officials provided very little information during the press conference, and its not expected that well see this car before 2006; however, part of the presentation was a short video to give journalists an idea of what to expect.<p><br>From the brief glimpses offered, it appears the C30 will combine styling and features from the SCC and 3CC concepts. Taillights look like they mimic the rear design of the SCC.<p><br>We hope to get more information about the C30 over the next 12 months.<p><br>For a look at Volvos current model lineup on MSN Autos, click here.<br> <br></I> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>source-MSN autos

Ascariss
01-12-2005, 05:16 PM
Front is basically S40. I am sure chops of S40's with C30's rear will appear soon enough, so if anyone wants to be first, take a stab at it.

AXLE
01-12-2005, 07:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a little off topic but whatever happened to the rumor that Volvo was coming out with a smaller SUV based off the S40? Is this ( the C30) what they were really talking about? There were a few nice renderings in the old forum of what it could look like. I think it was a good idea but I don't hear about it anymore. Anyone else know what happened? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe that you are talking about the planned XC50. I read somewhere that it will be based onto the upcoming LandRover Freelander.<p>Im not really excited about this little thing. Im more interested in the C70 replacement and newer versions of the S80 and S60, but still this will be a Volvo and Volvos kick ass!!!

Dodger
01-13-2005, 06:29 AM
Hey thanks AXLE. I really am liking the direction Volvo is going. They have come a long way in the past few years. The new S60 and S80 should be real nice.<p>Anyway, back to the C30. The back end looks a little strange to me. Hopefully it will look good in person.

Banana
01-13-2005, 06:46 AM
If someone adds some light with photoshop, it would be possible to see the car better ?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
01-13-2005, 07:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Banana</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If someone adds some light with photoshop, it would be possible to see the car better ?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Already did that nothing new can be seen, the darkened areas are actually black.

bolita
01-13-2005, 08:22 AM
I hope that the rear end isn't as controversial as it preliminary seems from the image.<p>In any case its good to see Volvo become more aggressive in its designs and departing from its "old" image in styling!

davidChief
01-13-2005, 09:21 AM
A couple of pics of the concepts from Detroit. <p><A HREF="http://www.forddesktops.com/images/scc1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forddesktops.com/images/scc1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.forddesktops.com/images/scc2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.forddesktops.com/images/scc2.jpg</A>

DrPetrus
01-13-2005, 09:29 AM
I think the blackened pictures look like an S40 with an ass from the Safety Car Concept, SCC.

bolita
01-13-2005, 01:35 PM
I hope they worked out the rear better than what the SCC looks like!

KaRaceR
01-16-2005, 10:33 AM
looks very nice if u dont look at the boot, ha ha may be if it did noy stick out as much,

-Zouz-
04-15-2005, 07:30 AM
Here is a scan from the French mag "Auto-Journal".<br>Don't know if it is a shop but it looks awsome. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://img254.echo.cx/img254/162/c3028cy.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by -Zouz- at 7:49 PM 4/19/2005</i>

nismo
04-15-2005, 10:56 AM
I'm in LOVE... this definately a college students dream <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>VW better not price their GTI anywhere near this...

bolita
04-15-2005, 11:20 AM
i will be a hit if it looks similar to that chop! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

DoMiNo
04-15-2005, 12:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will be a hit if it looks similar to that chop! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree! Volvo is on a roll!! This thing looks great! I hope US buyers will warm to it... Volvo doesn't get the respect that it should!

Roadster44
04-15-2005, 03:10 PM
Em love the 5er side signals

Shomare
04-15-2005, 04:27 PM
Bring it to the States and I'd put it at the top of the list for my next car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

sanbar778
04-15-2005, 04:48 PM
This is an extremely good shot. Does anyone know if it is a chop or not? It looks pretty authentic to me. Message to Volvo though...DON'T skimp us on the wheels, make them large 5-spokes like pictured here, you really can't beat them. I think a lot of the current Volvo designed wheels are overly tedious.

Uberwagon
04-15-2005, 10:31 PM
Wow, this rocks. I love it! And I second the thought on the wheels. The small wheels they'll be tempted to use are for econo hatches, not this.

-Zouz-
04-16-2005, 02:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sanbar778</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is an extremely good shot. Does anyone know if it is a chop or not? It looks pretty authentic to me. Message to Volvo though...DON'T skimp us on the wheels, make them large 5-spokes like pictured here, you really can't beat them. I think a lot of the current Volvo designed wheels are overly tedious.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Hi, here is an answer about this photoshop from someone who has seen this car (he works in the Volvo factory in Ghent, Belgium).<p><I>"The radiator in the photoshop is too big. The amber reflectors are wrong (too BMW). A nice try, but there are better shops. Thanks for sharing the picture."</I>

Top Secret
04-16-2005, 03:02 AM
Referring to that chop above - it looks like an Alfa 147 with a Volvo front end to me. But great chop anyway.

-Zouz-
04-16-2005, 04:24 AM
It is based on this picture of the Volvo concept car 3CC.<p><IMG SRC="http://img52.echo.cx/img52/62/p200432503mr.jpg" BORDER="0">

sanbar778
04-16-2005, 10:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>-Zouz-</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Hi, here is an answer about this photoshop from someone who has seen this car (he works in the Volvo factory in Ghent, Belgium).<p><I>"The radiator in the photoshop is too big. The amber reflectors are wrong (too BMW). A nice try, but there are better shops. Thanks for sharing the picture."</I></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well darn! I though this looked almost perfect. So does anyone know if he means that the car will not have these little "flying" reflectors at all because I really like them. The make the front of the car look more purposeful where the lights on the S40 look very timid to me. I really don't think BMW when I see them, sigh. Well hopefully it will look something like that. So I am sure this has been asked before but does anyone know the time frame of when we should really be seeing this car? It seems like pretty soon to me, but that is just my wishful thinking.

Shomare
04-29-2005, 05:16 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img77.echo.cx/img77/9297/focusvolvo0hw.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This is a chop this is only a chop if it had been an actual image, I would have said so.<p><br>I have heard that the C30 is to be brought to the states and is being reviewed by a select number of automotive press members this week.<p><br><i>Modified by Shomare at 11:31 AM 4/29/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Shomare at 11:33 AM 4/29/2005</i>

PBH
04-29-2005, 06:14 AM
just wondering one thing... Volvo seems to have lost a bit of their leading safety image dont ya think? coz surely the old school volvo would never release a car with 3 doors coz it hampers escape in an emergency situation surely???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Dodger
04-29-2005, 08:30 AM
I see what you are saying. But look at all the two door vehicles on the road and you don't here much about any escape problems in emergencies- not that it doesn't happen though. <p> I just think Volvo is trying to reach more markets to boost interest and sales. People that buy this would eventually move into larger, more expensive Volvos. I am sure they will make this one of the safest cars in its segment.

Shomare
04-29-2005, 11:37 AM
Volvo makes a convertable don't they!<p>Volvo has said this will be the safest small car on the market, so I see no conflict with what "is a Volvo".<p>

fockerRN
04-29-2005, 12:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PBH</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just wondering one thing... Volvo seems to have lost a bit of their leading safety image dont ya think? coz surely the old school volvo would never release a car with 3 doors coz it hampers escape in an emergency situation surely???? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Volvo has always built coupes. This is not a new thing (Volvo 780, Volvo C70 coupe and convertible). Those cars received excellent safety ratings.

AXLE
04-30-2005, 06:54 AM
They have made 122s, 142s, P1900s, P1800s, P1800Es, 242s, 262s, 780s, and more recently the c70. To volvo coupes, 3 door hatchbacks are not a new thing seeing as they have been making them for more than 50 years.<p>On the volvo website they have a sneek peek of the C30...<p><IMG SRC="http://www.volvocars.com/NR/rdonlyres/DCB1E54D-F4BF-4698-9A40-97FA778D0EFD/288998/C30_586.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Not much but you can sort of make out the shape of the front end and grill. It also says that it will look like the 3CC and the SCC and will be 20 centimeters shorter than the current S40. I can't wait to see it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AXLE at 1:10 PM 4/30/2005</i>

Shomare
04-30-2005, 03:06 PM
The Wait is killing me.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Shomare
05-16-2005, 07:59 AM
Slow week in the Volvo world. Not a word about the C30 in a while <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

oldthudman
05-16-2005, 08:48 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> Very strong resemblance to the Volve P1800ES Sport Wagon (from the early 70's if I recall correctly). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0">

Shomare
05-16-2005, 10:47 AM
<A HREF="http://www.volvocars.com/_Tier2/NewsEvents/News/default.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/_Tier...t.htm</A>

Shomare
05-17-2005, 05:14 PM
<B>How Close Do You Think This Is To The Real Thing?</B> <p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/23shomare/autobild_v30.jpg" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
05-17-2005, 06:21 PM
Interesting picture...looking at the models posing. Their age and type of clothes they're wearing is supposed to tell us something isn't it?

Shomare
05-17-2005, 06:33 PM
I Think So Too. <p>Hope it comes in at or around no more than 28K<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Shomare at 4:50 AM 5/18/2005</i>

sanbar778
05-18-2005, 05:19 PM
Any idea on when this thing is going to be unveiled? It seems like they are really dragging things out...

Shomare
05-18-2005, 05:26 PM
Paris This Fall From What I Have Heard

Shomare
06-20-2005, 07:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models too<br>GREG KABLE<br>Posted Date: 6/14/05<br>Fords Swedish partner Volvo is developing an advanced inline six-cylinder engine, known internally as SI6, as the powerplant for the next-generation S80 due in June 2006.<p>Conceived for both transverse and longitudinal applications, the four-valves-per-cylinder gasoline engine features an aluminum cylinder block and a total weight of about 400 pounds. With a compact chain-driven camshaft system, the engine is actually 1.0 millimeter shorter than Volvos widely offered five-cylindera feature that makes it suitable for a whole range of Ford models, according to AutoWeek sources.<p>Three different versions of the SI6 are planned: a base naturally aspirated 3.2-liter and a pair of performance-oriented turbocharged 3.0-liter units. The former receives variable cam timing on the inlet valves, with the latter two adopting a more advanced system operating both the inlet and exhaust valves. The performance versions also receive a Garrett turbocharger with variable vane geometry.<p>In 3.2-liter guise the new six-cylinder produces 238 hp at 6000 rpm along with 236 lb-ft of torque at 3500 rpm, an increase of 42 hp and 26 lb-ft over Volvos current 2.9-liter five-cylinder engine. The light-pressure turbocharged unit delivers 285 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque, while the top-of-the-line high-pressure turbo engine pumps out 350 hp and 332 lb-ft.<p>Beyond the S80, Ford is mum on plans for the SI6 engines. Its likely the hottest ones will appear in future Focus RS models in Europe, Jaguars sport-tuned R versions and Volvos R performance cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

iamalittlepepper
06-22-2005, 01:14 PM
Do we even know the dimensions of the I6.. would it even fit the C1 platform? I think it is kinda premature to assume it is going to fit the C40 series.<p>Remember volvo prides itself for safety.. and any big torque steer etc would be against that mantra?

Shomare
06-22-2005, 01:56 PM
<p><B>With a compact chain-driven camshaft system, the engine is actually 1.0 millimeter shorter than Volvos widely offered five-cylinder </B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><B>All Wheel Drive</B><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
08-01-2005, 08:27 PM
<IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/CSS/nlkdsfhjdvlfds.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: C&D

iamalittlepepper
08-02-2005, 01:35 AM
I thought that's a fairly old chop?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jesse</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Source: C&D</TD></TR></TABLE>

-Zouz-
08-02-2005, 08:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>iamalittlepepper</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought that's a fairly old chop?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

bolita
08-02-2005, 08:21 AM
I guess that the real thing will debut in Frankfurt, no?

iamalittlepepper
08-02-2005, 08:43 AM
no on volvo's website they say october 1st<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess that the real thing will debut in Frankfurt, no?</TD></TR></TABLE>

bolita
08-02-2005, 08:54 AM
less than 60 days....

Shomare
08-02-2005, 11:52 AM
? Do you expect to see it debut in Geneva?

bolita
08-02-2005, 04:10 PM
If the site claims it will debut on Oct 1, I assume Oct 1 2005 or is it 2006? Geneva is March, true?

CosworthKid
08-02-2005, 04:56 PM
<br>Shomare what is the point of this red Focus ST MK2 photoshop posing as a Volvo??I dont get it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
08-02-2005, 04:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://img77.echo.cx/img77/9297/focusvolvo0hw.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This is a chop this is only a chop if it had been an actual image, I would have said so.<p><br>I have heard that the C30 is to be brought to the states and is being reviewed by a select number of automotive press members this week.<p><br><i>Modified by Shomare at 11:31 AM 4/29/2005</i><p><br><i>Modified by Shomare at 11:33 AM 4/29/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was talking about this pic in case you were wondering <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

Shomare
08-02-2005, 05:33 PM
A fellow Volvo / Ford enthusiast made that chop based on an idea that the C30 is to share the C1 (Focus) platfrom.<p>It was a speculative chop at best and not close to what the actual car will look like or so I'm told.

Shomare
08-02-2005, 05:42 PM
IAA is in Frankfurt is in September but is there an IAA event this year as it is an every other year event <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

DSC-OFF
08-15-2005, 11:39 AM
<IMG SRC="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/CSS/File0003.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: R&T

bolita
08-15-2005, 12:41 PM
Cool chop...

Shomare
08-15-2005, 05:21 PM
I'd buy that.<p>The back tail light line seems a bit harsh / abrupt but other than that, I like the lines on this car.

Audios
08-26-2005, 07:19 AM
This latest chop from Jesse is similar to the one that begins the topic- & if the car turns out to look like either- I'll definitely consider buying it. <br>My priorities have really changed in the last year or so. Right now I'm driving a BMW Z4- & I love it.<br>But in the next year I want to change over to something that is still sporty, & can handle extra pasengers/cargo- something that is multi-purpose but still has a sports car feel to it.<br>If Volvo takes the edge out when they introduce it (whether in design or performance)<br>then I'll probably go to an Audi A3....which would seem to be the C30/V30's competition.

drugmirko
08-26-2005, 02:21 PM
I'm starting to doubt that this car even exist... there's no spy shots of it! where do they test it? in the cellar?<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

-Zouz-
08-26-2005, 03:39 PM
I think there were no spyshots of the XC90 but the car exist.

bolita
08-27-2005, 08:45 AM
And its advertised on the volvocar website...so it DOES exist!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
08-27-2005, 09:46 AM
I know... I'm just joking <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> . but they do hide it better than snake's legs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> .

Shomare
09-12-2005, 01:42 PM
September 12th edition of INSIDE LINE at edmunds.com says C30 will be introduced at NAIAS in Detroit this coming January. To be sold in Fall as 2007 model. <p>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>Volvo first announced its intention earlier this year to launch the C30 at the Detroit show but provided few details. Sources say the car will be built on Ford's C1 global small-car platform, which underpins the Volvo S40 sedan and V50 wagon, as well as the upcoming C70 hardtop convertible that will be unveiled at next week's Frankfurt show. <p>But unlike the C70, the smaller C30 is a three-door hatchback coupe, with styling inspired by Volvo's Safety Concept Car, which in turn traces its design roots to the 1800 ES wagon. The C30 will be nearly 8 inches shorter than the S40 sedan, according to Volvo. <p>The C30 likely will be powered by a small, twin-cam, four-cylinder engine, although Volvo has said it also is looking at hybrid powertrains. The car's most likely competitors will be the Audi A3 and the BMW 1 Series. <p>Production is scheduled to begin late next summer at Ford's Ghent plant in Belgium.

bolita
09-12-2005, 02:48 PM
I really doubt that it will be offered as a 3 dr only... a 5dr would also help capture sales from Golf/A3 segment IMO...<p>Perhaps 3dr at first and 5 dr later???

AXLE
09-13-2005, 05:28 AM
The five door would dig into V50 sales as its already quite small.

passenger74
09-16-2005, 09:58 AM
Shomare wrote:"The C30 likely will be powered by a small, twin-cam, four-cylinder engine, although Volvo has said it also is looking at hybrid powertrains. "<p>Does anyone know, if they will also offer a 5-Cylinder engine?<p><br>

CosworthKid
09-16-2005, 10:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>passenger74</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Does anyone know, if they will also offer a 5-Cylinder engine?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No official word yet, but its pretty safe to assume that the 5-cylinder engine in T5 guise will make it at some point. It is Volvo's performance choice and all Volvo's get it at some point. Plus remember that the C30 is a direct competitor to Audi A3, VW Golf, Ford Focus etc and it wouldnt be complete without a hot-hatch version. The Focus already has the T5 engine so... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

passenger74
09-16-2005, 11:40 AM
Thats true.<br>But a less expensive version with 140 or 170hp would be nice, too.<br>I really like the sound and the torque of that engine.

boston
09-16-2005, 11:49 AM
This is a retro Volvo, back to the P 1800 days....which I think was the Saint's car.<p>Concept originally to allow Volvo engineers to put golf clubs in. Not sure if thats true, but I do know that at least in the US, BMW's version of this, built off the Z3 was a flop. First saw that during a visit to the SC factory.

AM2
09-18-2005, 01:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>boston</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a retro Volvo, back to the P 1800 days....which I think was the Saint's car.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>The Saint's car was the P1800 "coupe"...<br><IMG SRC="http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/graphics/hist20.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This is the wagon version that inspired future sports wagon/hatchback Volvo cars/concept cars... the P1800ES<br><IMG SRC="http://nigensha.co.jp/cgclub/SM2003/image/02date16/02themacars/03160095.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>...I think this was Volvo's first attempt of reviving the "P1800ES" 3-door sports wagon/hatch, the 480...<br><IMG SRC="http://www.pro-atomkraft.de/volvo/seite480/11111111125005811-14552-1061548485_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>

Shomare
09-18-2005, 04:39 AM
Nice Job AM2.<p>I think that this time, Volvo will hit the nail on the head.

bolita
09-20-2005, 11:41 AM
Well Volvo has been nailing the head IMO with its last products...

Shomare
09-20-2005, 05:44 PM
I'd agree.<p>My next car will be a Volvo. Just don't know which one yet.

AXLE
09-21-2005, 01:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>...I think this was Volvo's first attempt of reviving the "P1800ES" 3-door sports wagon/hatch, the 480...<br><IMG SRC="http://www.pro-atomkraft.de/volvo/seite480/11111111125005811-14552-1061548485_1.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah but the 480 was not sold in North America or Australasia...

Shomare
09-21-2005, 01:20 PM
There is a person on Swedespeed that says he has seen the C30 during testing and will attempt to photograph it tonight.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

BMW_Dude
09-21-2005, 01:35 PM
So let me get this right, is this car a 1er, A3, A class competitor?<p>I have been visiting GCF too much and don't know loads about forecoming cars from other makes, apart from what I know reading magazines! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Omar
09-22-2005, 12:58 PM
yep, it certainly is

against the wall
09-22-2005, 03:10 PM
hmmm. if this sold in america and aimed to compete with the a class a3 and 1er then maybe if the car sells well here then merc and bmw could bring their cars over and have it compete.

Sprint
09-24-2005, 01:53 AM
Finally, all be it small, a real picture...<p><A HREF="http://www.aftonbladet.se/bil/0509/24/vu21.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.aftonbladet.se/bil/0509/24/vu21.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 9:27 AM 9/24/2005</i>

toni
09-24-2005, 08:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sprint</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Finally, all be it small, a real picture...<p><A HREF="http://www.aftonbladet.se/bil/0509/24/vu21.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.aftonbladet.se/bil/0509/24/vu21.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>There are also more and bigger pictures in aftonbladet pages, but those are only available for "Plus" readers which is not free of charge area :( <br>

toni
09-25-2005, 07:22 AM
Is this finally a real C30:<p><A HREF="http://img114.exs.cx/img114/2752/image0017fm.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img114.exs.cx/img114/2752/image0017fm.jpg</A><p>It seems that photo is taken from some show...<p>EDIT: I guess it's just that electric car 3CC which was shown earlier in some motor show... :(<p><br><i>Modified by toni at 7:47 AM 9/25/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by toni at 7:48 AM 9/25/2005</i>

swedefe
09-25-2005, 08:04 AM
Yeah, thats the 3CC alright!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AXLE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Yeah but the 480 was not sold in North America or Australasia...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, and get down and thank whatever gods you praise at your part of the world that the 48O ES stayed home and only haunted owners in Europe.<p>The 480 ES was true crap disguised as a nice n' nifty little package.<p><br>Swedefe

boston
09-25-2005, 06:26 PM
Nice job AM2, been years since I saw the p1800Es. Being on the right track doesn't mean you get to where you want to go.<br>Forgot about that 480......good catch

Smart22186
09-26-2005, 10:09 AM
where did that spy photo come from? i wouldnt mind paying to see a few more pics, will post them here if i knew the site addy?

toni
09-26-2005, 10:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Smart22186</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where did that spy photo come from? i wouldnt mind paying to see a few more pics, will post them here if i knew the site addy? </TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/bil/story/0,2789,703511,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/....html</A><p>and then from there the link:<p>"Bildextra: Se de allra frsta bilderna p nya Volvo C30 i storformat"

bolita
09-26-2005, 02:14 PM
I dont understand the text at all but for whoever does...does it say that it will be shown at next years Paris Auto Show??

boston
09-26-2005, 02:43 PM
Agree with Boolita. Paris. Also notice it says the next generation S80 will be presented in New York, and then says new v70 2007.....<p>Do I have that right

kuules
09-26-2005, 03:05 PM
new spyshots:<br><A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0014" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0014</A><br>

bolita
09-26-2005, 03:47 PM
Cool larger pix. Front end seems to be a bit more aggressive than S40...

hakkinen
09-27-2005, 03:10 AM
The second one reminds me of Fiat Stilo 3d.<p>@ndreas

alessdamico
09-29-2005, 01:04 PM
what Volvo model is that?<br>could it be the new C30?<br>why they don't show the car exterior too?<br>this red interior...I don't know?<p>link:<br><A HREF="http://volvocars-aktionen.de/inscription/de/index_flash.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://volvocars-aktionen.de/i...h.htm</A>

Shomare
09-29-2005, 01:22 PM
Everything I have read to date points to:<p>1) This car is to be introduced at the 06 Detroit Auto Show.<p>2) As such, it would stand to reason that this car is to be sold in North America!<p>Yeah for us! We finally get one of the good ones!<br>

knicks125
10-02-2005, 05:08 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_Volvo_C30.S178.A9383.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co....html</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>Spy Shots: 08 Volvo C30</B><br>Another C1 spinoff from Fords master plan.<br>by Hans Lehmann/Hidden Image (2005-10-02) <p>A lucky amateur spy in a small village in England managed to shoot the very first pictures showing two prototypes of the upcoming Volvo C30. The mysterious cars drove by just once and disappeared.<p>The C30 is a new model the size of the VW Golf, and is to be built on Ford's C1 global small-car platform, which is also being used for the Ford Focus, Volvo S40 sedan and V50 wagon, and Mazda3. The C30 will be about eight inches shorter than the S40 sedan. It is a three-door hatchback coupe, and its styling is derived from Volvo's Safety Concept Car, which itself is reminiscent of Volvo's famous 1800 ES wagon.<p>The C30's power is said to come from a twin-cam four-cylinder engine, although Volvo is also looking for hybrid powertrains. The C30 will become a competitor against cars like the Audi A3, BMW 1-Series, and the Golf.<p>The new model will appear at the Paris auto show in the fall of 2006; production should begin late next summer at Ford's plant in Ghent, Belgium.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sashok
10-02-2005, 05:52 PM
holy crap man, I think it is!!!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> That looks great!!! <p>I've never seen such a Volvo (when the video starts out) with the back glass being so close to the front (meaning that it's a small hatch)....yahooooo

Shomare
10-02-2005, 06:25 PM
Nice,<p>I'd like to see it from the back as the tail light treatment can make it or break it.<p><br>The car in the video is a four door, not a two door. As drawn by the artist, the C30 is a two door car so the video and the C30 would not match up.<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Shomare at 7:03 PM 10/2/2005</i>

alessdamico
10-02-2005, 06:53 PM
Thanks for your post Sashok<p>It's nice to know that somebody else had the same impression. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>specially because what you said: <p>"...with the back glass being so close to the front ..."<br>(if it's not...could be only a photo effect??)<p>----------------------------------------------------------------------<p>I agree that the interior photos must be of a 04 door model...<p>...but it doesn't make impossible that the exterior image to be of a new C30<p>and this "red" interior had many rumors to be one of the most important new item in the C30...<p>coincidence or not?<p>let's wait for more information..<p>Thanks Folks<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by alessdamico at 7:18 PM 10/2/2005</i>

AM2K
10-03-2005, 05:46 AM
does anybody on this forum know where in england this was snapped?

[AP]adiweb
10-03-2005, 10:58 AM
The car on that website is siply the S60 I'd say <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Omar
10-03-2005, 12:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[AP</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">adiweb]The car on that website is siply the S60 I'd say <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree, it's an S60 without a doubt. I'm familiar with the S60 interior.<p>Sorry to disappoint you!

RoAnSa
10-05-2005, 03:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>omar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I agree, it's an S60 without a doubt. I'm familiar with the S60 interior.<p>Sorry to disappoint you!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yeah, you can clearly see thats an S60, a 4 door car<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RoAnSa at 5:53 AM 10/5/2005</i>

-Zouz-
10-05-2005, 04:08 AM
Common, the car in this link (http://volvocars-aktionen.de/inscription/de/index_flash.htm) is the S60.<p>It is "Volvo Inscription", it is like Designo for Mercedes.

toni
10-07-2005, 11:16 AM
I think this is a new spyshot from front of the car:<p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/future/07.volvo.c30/07.volvo.c30.f34.2.500.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...0.jpg</A>

AXLE
10-07-2005, 12:16 PM
Whoa that looks......great!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> really wide and low, would handle like a dream!

Shomare
10-07-2005, 01:15 PM
The more I see, the more I like <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0">

synthesis
10-07-2005, 01:17 PM
I just hope the front end is a little more daring than that rendering on tcc.

StevenZoz
10-07-2005, 02:07 PM
<A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/future/07.volvo.c30/07.volvo.c30.sketch.500.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/10221_ACJKKYBECISZS.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...S.jpg</A>

DrPetrus
10-07-2005, 02:29 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/future/07.volvo.c30/07.volvo.c30.sketch.500.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...0.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is probably quite close to the real thing and it's not a very appealing car, is it?

Dodger
10-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Depends on who your asking

Shomare
10-07-2005, 03:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DrPetrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That is probably quite close to the real thing and it's not a very appealing car, is it? </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I doubt it.<p>Volvo has a fleet look to be sure but I can't see them introducing something as bland as that photochop.<p>IMO Volvo has the best looking tail end in the auto world on the S60'd and XC90.<p>I'd expect the C30 to follow form. The side window in the concept / photochop is just too flat and looks out of place.<p>

alessdamico
10-08-2005, 07:19 AM
only for register<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10219_AOMNOZJSACVAZ.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...Z.jpg</A><br><I><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.com</A></I><p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/albums//FWD%20and%20AWD/C70%20Mk%20II/029.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...9.jpg</A><br><I><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com</A></I><p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 4:31 PM 10/15/2005</i>

StevenZoz
10-08-2005, 09:36 AM
these have been already posted... the top 1 is from the previous page and the bottom one is the volvo c70 convertible...

StevenZoz
10-14-2005, 10:49 PM
<A HREF="http://www.francescotarquini.it/Public/data/fabrizio/200531113946_img029.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.francescotarquini.i...9.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.francescotarquini.it/Public/data/fabrizio/200531113959_img028.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.francescotarquini.i...8.jpg</A>

LEXUS FAN!
10-14-2005, 11:00 PM
has this been posted??<p><A HREF="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/future/07.volvo.c30/07.volvo.c30.f34.2.500.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...0.jpg</A><p>i got it from<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=107413#4" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...413#4</A>

StevenZoz
10-15-2005, 11:25 AM
yes it has but thanks anyway

Shomare
11-20-2005, 07:18 PM
A fellow took this photo wile picking up his S60 R at the factory in Sweden.<p>He was asked not to take any more photos of the car.<p>Now the car is clearly labeled SCC which is a well traveled Volvo concept car.<p>However, the tail end looks very much like what I'd imagine might be under the camouflage on the C30.<p><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/23shomare/Iwasntsupposedtotakepicturesofthesh.jpg" BORDER="0">

against the wall
11-20-2005, 07:39 PM
so what you are saying is, this is the concept but the rear is different? there is so much glass in that car. windows, panoramic roof, and the huge rear window.

StevenZoz
11-20-2005, 08:04 PM
<A HREF="http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/5393/volvo1uw.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img495.imageshack.us/im...w.jpg</A>

Ascariss
11-20-2005, 08:06 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A fellow took this photo wile picking up his S60 R at the factory in Sweden.<p>He was asked not to take any more photos of the car.<p>Now the car is clearly labeled SCC which is a well traveled Volvo concept car.<p>However, the tail end looks very much like what I'd imagine might be under the camouflage on the C30.<p><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/23shomare/Iwasntsupposedtotakepicturesofthesh.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...h.jpg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>probably but that really wasn't hard to guess, there was another concept volvo just showed, that is more in line with the C30.<p>note, he was asked not to take photos of the car since it was on their property and well it is a concept car and I am sure volvo doesn't want peopel taking pics of it when its not at a show.

Shomare
11-20-2005, 08:33 PM
I was saying that the lines on C30 in camo look like they follow the rear lines of the SCC car.

Shomare
11-20-2005, 08:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">note, he was asked not to take photos of the car since it was on their property and well it is a concept car and I am sure volvo doesn't want peopel taking pics of it when its not at a show.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't follow the logic of being able to photograph the car at shows but not at the factory <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I mean, the Volvo web site has photos of the car from every point of reference.

Ascariss
11-20-2005, 11:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't follow the logic of being able to photograph the car at shows but not at the factory <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I mean, the Volvo web site has photos of the car from every point of reference.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>By the look of the picture your friend took, that doesn't look like it is on display for people to take pictures of it. If it was standing inside a the building near the offices or in front of the building near the entrance perhaps, but this appears to be in a garage.

CosworthKid
11-21-2005, 11:44 AM
People, regardless of that, what DO you think of this picture?I think i love it! If this turns out to be the C30(and why not?) i think they nailed it!

Tidal
11-21-2005, 11:56 AM
I think that if you look at the SCC's rear and profile, and at the spy pics you will see that it is basically the same thing, and that's just fine by me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> , but then again, it was already expected to be that way.

Blob
11-21-2005, 12:03 PM
i love the rear of the concept, but the BIG problem is rear visabilty.

bolita
11-21-2005, 01:23 PM
What I just noticed is that this SCC pictured seems to be a 5 door and not a 3door...<p>Which would be really cool IMO! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
11-25-2005, 05:10 AM
This better be a god looking car. Volvo has been pulling it off latley, but all the chops, or most, have been so bland and dont seem to carry the Volvo theme through very well at all...

Shomare
11-26-2005, 08:25 PM
Purely speculation on my part but there has been a lot of talk about headlights from Volvo as of late and all the concept / spy photos show these cars with new headlight designs which makes me wonder if the C30 might be the first in the Volvo line to sport the new headlight design.

Shomare
12-02-2005, 07:44 PM
<A HREF="http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2005/10/12/drive/dr12-sneakpeek-1005n_10-12-2005_G392N0B.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix...B.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.smallvolvos.com/index.php?topic=34798.0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.smallvolvos.com/index.php?topic=34798.0</A> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Volvo will pull the wraps off a concept version of its newest and smallest vehicle, the C30, in January at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. <p>The C30 will go on sale next fall in the United States as a 2007 model and will likely make its production debut at the Paris Auto Show. <br><br>The C30 is a three-door hatchback coupe, with styling inspired by Volvo's Safety Concept Car It will be nearly 8 inches shorter than the S40 sedan, according to Volvo. <p>The C30 likely will be powered by a small, twin-cam four cylinder engine, although Volvo has said it is also looking at hybrid powertrains. Its most likely competitors will be the Audi A3 and the BMW 1 Series. </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 12:28 AM 12/3/2005</i>

Nurburgring
12-02-2005, 08:59 PM
So is this wut Volvo is doin eh? Clever is all I can say~!

Shomare
12-02-2005, 09:46 PM
Thing is, the S40 has a five cylinder power plant, even a turbo version, and the new Ford Focus ST in Europe has the same power plant, so why would this car not offer that same power plant?<p>There have also been rumors of Volvo returning to an inline six.<p>Put that in the C30 with all wheel drive, and I'd be first in line at the Volvo Dealership.

Omar
12-03-2005, 06:48 AM
likely to be unveiled at Paris? WHAT??<p>Get a move on Volvo, I wanna see this at Geneva.

flippin'round07
12-03-2005, 10:02 PM
This is one of the most highly protected new cars I've ever seen. If we're so close to the unveiling, then Volvo gets the award for most top secret car.

knicks125
12-03-2005, 11:13 PM
The unveiling in Jan. is only as a concept, if I recall correctly. Production vehicle will be unveiled later on, according to various sources.

Shomare
12-04-2005, 06:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knicks125</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The unveiling in Jan. is only as a concept, if I recall correctly. Production vehicle will be unveiled later on, according to various sources.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Volvo will pull the wraps off a concept version of its newest and smallest vehicle, the C30, in January at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.<br>The C30 will go on sale next fall in the United States as a 2007 model and will likely make its production debut at the Paris Auto Show</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Read the first post on this page... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

knicks125
12-04-2005, 07:51 AM
I have. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So based on the first post:<p>concept - NAIAS<br>production - possibly Paris<p>correct?

Shomare
12-04-2005, 08:05 AM
According to the Detroit News Auto Insider: <A HREF="http://info.detnews.com/autosinsider/sneakpeek/index.cfm?id=20824" TARGET="_blank">http://info.detnews.com/autosi...20824</A> <p>That is the plan.<p>This made up my mind about making the trip to Detroit this January. Now I'll be there for sure.

Shomare
12-06-2005, 04:37 PM
Come on now, this thread has to have more replies / views than the Toyota Camry thread! It's a Camry for God sake!

ROCKETMAN
12-06-2005, 05:05 PM
I agree :)

against the wall
12-06-2005, 05:31 PM
yea but theres nothing to talk about. volvo is so clever with this. they basically and literally show the car to us but at the same time we cant figure out what it is. theyre so good.

Ascariss
12-06-2005, 05:52 PM
I'm sure this has been mentioned, but why a 3 door? why not also make a 5 door hatch? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>on a side note, mazda also needs a 4 door hatch. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
12-06-2005, 05:54 PM
4 door hatch? isnt that an oxymoron? u cant have a 4 door hatch since in most if not all hatchbacks the hatch counts as a door.

Ascariss
12-06-2005, 06:53 PM
meant 3 door hatch. ie along the lines of hte 3 door hatches in europe.

Shomare
12-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Yeah, Volvo seems to be very good at this game. <p>They did well keeping the S40 under wraps as well.<p>Just about five weeks until we get to see the real thing.

Shomare
12-12-2005, 02:25 PM
<A HREF="http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/</A>

StevenZoz
12-12-2005, 02:29 PM
it does look to have that big rear window of glass

galv
12-12-2005, 02:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>dont get excited its just the Volvo 3CC concpet in that photo

synthesis
12-12-2005, 02:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>V8Power</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont get excited its just the Volvo 3CC concpet in that photo</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And Volvo would lie on their own website about the teaser because.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
12-12-2005, 04:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>V8Power</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>dont get excited its just the Volvo 3CC concpet in that photo</TD></TR></TABLE><p>wow! are u serious? thats sooo retarded

Shomare
12-12-2005, 06:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>V8Power</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>dont get excited its just the Volvo 3CC concpet in that photo</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think you may have missed the point.<p>They (Volvo) are hinting at the idea that the car is a blending of the two cars featured in the link.<p>There is a second photo there besides the SCC. An image of the concept shown in Detroit last year.

against the wall
12-12-2005, 07:01 PM
hmm, volvo must be coming up with something innovational if this is supposed to be really safe with that huge rear glass. i mean if u get rear ended ur screwed if the glass breaks.

ROCKETMAN
12-12-2005, 07:27 PM
I hope the extremely short overhangs remain on the production model. I cant wait for this car to come out.<br>What do you guys think, will it have the same interior as the S40/V50, and C70?<br>

Shomare
12-12-2005, 07:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ROCKETMAN</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope the extremely short overhangs remain on the production model. I cant wait for this car to come out.<br>What do you guys think, will it have the same interior as the S40/V50, and C70?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, but maybe with some more sporting accents.

DrPetrus
12-13-2005, 02:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I think you may have missed the point.<p>They (Volvo) are hinting at the idea that the car is a blending of the two cars featured in the link.<p>There is a second photo there besides the SCC. An image of the concept shown in Detroit last year.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you hit the update button you can vary between three different photos. To me it looks like one picture of the SCC and two different pictures of the 3CC. No new concept there.

toni
12-13-2005, 04:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DrPetrus</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you hit the update button you can vary between three different photos. To me it looks like one picture of the SCC and two different pictures of the 3CC. No new concept there. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes indeed, there are 3 different photos (if you reload page), SCC, 3CC....

bolita
12-13-2005, 09:33 AM
I really think that this new Volvo will be a huge hit both in Europe and in the US. I hope that the front is not a S40 remake but a more aggressive front stance given the probable really aggressive rear. Also, from the teaser fotos, I hope the huge wheels are available in the production C30<p>Finally, I dont give up in a 4 door version a la A3....

Ascariss
12-13-2005, 01:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really think that this new Volvo will be a huge hit both in Europe and in the US. I hope that the front is not a S40 remake but a more aggressive front stance given the probable really aggressive rear. Also, from the teaser fotos, I hope the huge wheels are available in the production C30<p>Finally, I dont give up in a 4 door version a la A3....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perhaps the C30 will just be another varient of the S40 family so only a 3 door is needed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
12-13-2005, 02:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Perhaps the C30 will just be another varient of the S40 family so only a 3 door is needed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>isn't it going to be based on new Focus?

Tidal
12-13-2005, 02:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>isn't it going to be based on new Focus?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The S40 is Focus based. I too think this will be 3 door only, they don't seem to be going for huge volumes and in the premium sector 5 doors aren't essential imo.

Ascariss
12-13-2005, 03:12 PM
Well, we have the 3 and 5 door A3, only 5 door 1 series, both 3 and 5 door alfa 147, so a 3 door is not a bad idea, but most families will go for the 5 door usually.

drugmirko
12-13-2005, 03:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DeadDave</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The S40 is Focus based. I too think this will be 3 door only, they don't seem to be going for huge volumes and in the premium sector 5 doors aren't essential imo.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>a... didn't know that.... but you're wrong for 5 doors... in europe ti is quite usual to have them in that segment. allmost all cars have both versions. exept Merc C classe coupe, wich is just shortened version of higher segment car and latest Audi A3. even previus A3 model had both versions.<p>depends on what Volvo is planning for... low volume and top three premium branding, or something like 340, their previous model in C segment...

drugmirko
12-13-2005, 03:17 PM
there you go.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Ascariss just beated me with answer, while I was checking if there is the latest A3 with 5 doors... couldn't remember, cause I havent seen one yet...

Tidal
12-13-2005, 03:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>but you're wrong for 5 doors... in europe ti is quite usual to have them in that segment. allmost all cars have both versions. exept Merc C classe coupe, wich is just shortened version of higher segment car and latest Audi A3. even previus A3 model had both versions.<p>depends on what Volvo is planning for... low volume and top three premium branding, or something like 340, their previous model in C segment...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The A3 mix is about 50/50 between 3 and 5 doors, and the last generation 5 door sold so badly that for this one they came up with a new concept, with something " completely " ( ever so slightly ) different, the sportback. And the A-klass went from just 5 to 3 and 5 doors. <p>3 doors are still viewed as being younger and sportier, and i don't think imo Volvo are going for the bulk of the market like they did back then with the 340. Their image has evolved so much, they have come from being mainstream to almost premium.

bolita
12-13-2005, 03:54 PM
I still believe that a young family would rather have a 5 door C30 than an S40. Also, Volvo's goal is to reach 600,000 units and it would seem that the C30 could become their "volume" model so it would make sense to offer a 5 door version (I would have a 5 door with "hidden" rear door)....

Shomare
12-13-2005, 08:56 PM
A member at a Volvo web site speculated that maybe some magazine got hold of some non camouflaged photos and is about to release them and as such, Volvo is attempting to release them first.<p><br>I think it would be a wise move to reveal the car in concept form on the internet. Don't know why it hasn't been done yet.

Shomare
12-13-2005, 09:04 PM
Here are the photos featured in the link:<p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/3CC/045__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/3CC/039__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/SCC/Exterior/007__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A>

Shomare
12-13-2005, 09:19 PM
In these photos of the Volvo Safety Concept Car (SCC) it shows that the car is actually a four door.<p><br>Got me to wondering if the C30 will offer these rear hidden doors.<p>Not that they would be suicide doors for safety reasons but maybe more in line with the new Civic (European) hatch.<p><br><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/SCC/First%20Drive/002__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/SCC/First%20Drive/004__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/SCC/First%20Drive/006__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A>

bolita
12-14-2005, 02:35 PM
I really feel that the C30 should at least offer these suicide doors...

Shomare
12-14-2005, 04:33 PM
Suicide doors would be inconsistent with the Volvo safety image.

synthesis
12-15-2005, 12:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Suicide doors would be inconsistent with the Volvo safety image. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Only in name. As small as this car is, the opening supplied by the front and suicide rear doors (without a B pillar) would be small enough to still allow for superior side impact protection. It's been done on similarly sized cars with great results (RX-8 and Saturn S-Series coupe/Ion. And suicides on this Volvo would look bad-ass. <p>Btw Shomare, try to edit and update your posts instead of creating entirely new posts immediately following your previous ones. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

geary
12-15-2005, 12:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Only in name.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

drugmirko
12-15-2005, 01:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Only in name. As small as this car is, the opening supplied by the front and suicide rear doors (without a B pillar) would be small enough to still allow for superior side impact protection. It's been done on similarly sized cars with great results (RX-8 and Saturn S-Series coupe/Ion. And suicides on this Volvo would look bad-ass. <p>Btw Shomare, try to edit and update your posts instead of creating entirely new posts immediately following your previous ones. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>ok. true to some extend.... but they are extremly unpractical because you have to open front doors first in order to get rear ones to open... kind of hard to let out rear sitting pasenger on right side of the car, if there's only driver in front! for example, your 8-10 yrs old kid at the scool...

Shomare
12-15-2005, 05:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Btw Shomare, try to edit and update your posts instead of creating entirely new posts immediately following your previous ones. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is method to my madness.....

bolita
12-15-2005, 07:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>ok. true to some extend.... but they are extremly unpractical because you have to open front doors first in order to get rear ones to open... kind of hard to let out rear sitting pasenger on right side of the car, if there's only driver in front! for example, your 8-10 yrs old kid at the scool...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I understand you're point, but I feel they are better to have these small doors, than none at all....<p>In any case I have been saying this all along, but 4 doors would be a great asset for many markets and they could be "hidden" so that it looks like a 2 door...

synthesis
12-15-2005, 11:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">kind of hard to let out rear sitting pasenger on right side of the car, if there's only driver in front! for example, your 8-10 yrs old kid at the scool...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why would there be people in back with no one riding as front passenger? I'm not sure I follow your logic. <p>And if this happened, how do you suppose these kids of yours would get out in the first place? The driver may be able to open the passenger door, but its near impossible for him to reach the lever to pull the front seat forward (unless he has Mr. Fantastic arms).<p>So, there should always be a front seat passenger if you have 2 or more people in the car, especially if the driver is dropping someone off. To not do so would suggest a poor sense of planning. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>drugmirko</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok. true to some extend.... but they are extremly unpractical because you have to open front doors first in order to get rear ones to open... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Uhh... as opposed to the front seat passenger having to open their door anyway, get completely out of the vehicle, pull the seat forward, let the kids out, then get back in and try to fix the seat (which never seems to go back to the right spot), and close the door again. <p>Imo these suicide doors are anything but impractical.<br>

drugmirko
12-16-2005, 08:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>synthesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Why would there be people in back with no one riding as front passenger? I'm not sure I follow your logic. <p>And if this happened, how do you suppose these kids of yours would get out in the first place? The driver may be able to open the passenger door, but its near impossible for him to reach the lever to pull the front seat forward (unless he has Mr. Fantastic arms).<p>So, there should always be a front seat passenger if you have 2 or more people in the car, especially if the driver is dropping someone off. To not do so would suggest a poor sense of planning. <br>Uhh... as opposed to the front seat passenger having to open their door anyway, get completely out of the vehicle, pull the seat forward, let the kids out, then get back in and try to fix the seat (which never seems to go back to the right spot), and close the door again. <p>Imo these suicide doors are anything but impractical.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>well... you have to have front driving pasenger in first place for that....<br>what I ment was something like one of the parents or nanny driving/picking up kids at school. if you have back doors, you simply pull over and kids get in/out on rear right side by themself.... getting in would be bit annoying but still posible, while getting out would be almost immposible....<p>in most europe countrys (and I expect in most of the world too) is ilegal to drive kids under age on front seat. except babys that are straped in those "baby shells", turned backwards and pasenger airbag disabled... but you don't drive babys to school <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>so I'm not saying that front doors only is better than front and "suicide" doors. Im saying that four normal doors are far more practical... for now that is, until they don't solve that both doors opening need. <br>I like suicide doors to! there was a bunch of unbelivable concepts with them, from my favorit Citroen alone, in last 10 years! but the fact that they don't open unless front ones are already opened kept them out of production... because of practical use and safety reasons... there's no posibility for opening them, if front ones get jammed in crash, because you can't open then even when car is intact and fully functional.....<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by drugmirko at 7:44 AM 12/16/2005</i>

Shomare
12-16-2005, 06:08 PM
<B>Couple of comments from The C30 Thread running over at Swedespeed.<p>Note that these folks seem to be in the know.</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've been to the introduction of the C30 in September 2004, in the Ghents fab as a worker. <p>I did not only saw the actual car, but also some strategic plans. <p>And they sure won't price it as high as the introduction of the S40. <p>The car is a little bit longer, bigger then the Golf, A3,... and they'll ask a LITTLE bit more then those cars. Not S40.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree that the prices are (at least in Belgium and the Netherlands) too high for the quality (and with respect to other cars). <p>That said, with the C30 they try to catch young (not so fortunated) customers, and hope they will be lifetime customers. In that sense, the price quality ratio is expected to be a little bit higher than those for the S40, S60 (and sure the R).<p>The prices I saw are a little bit dated (and I signed a contract not to leak any information). But... they will be a little bit cheaper.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>

DoMiNo
12-18-2005, 09:32 AM
That guy said the C30 will be priced lower than the A3 and higher than the S40, which--in the US market, anyway--really doesn't make sense.<p>If indeed it's priced higher than the A3, then count me out.

Dodger
12-18-2005, 10:31 AM
Pricing this higher than the S40 is not a good idea. The S40 can get pretty pricy as it is.

Shomare
12-18-2005, 10:54 AM
It was noted that the car will come in <B>under</B> current S40 pricing which can climb as high as 30K when the goodies are added on. <p>A3's Can run between 23 - 34K<p>Hell! I just did an online build for a A3 out and it came out as 40,400 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I've sone the same for an S40 T5 and loaded it up and didn't ever come close to that price!<p>36K for a comparably equipped S40 T5 <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Shomare at 10:03 AM 12/18/2005</i>

DoMiNo
12-18-2005, 11:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hell! I just did an online build for a A3 out and it came out as 40,400 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I've sone the same for an S40 T5 and loaded it up and didn't ever come close to that price!<p>36K for a comparably equipped S40 T5 <p><i>Modified by Shomare at 10:03 AM 12/18/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're comparing an A3 3.2 DSG, which is frankly not even the performance equivalent of the S40 T5. The 3.2 DSG would run circles around the S40, and with a transmission like that IMO it's worth the extra dough. Besides, 40K+ is throwing every option on. It starts around 34K. If you really wanted to compare the A3 with the S40 the wiser decision would be to compare it with the 2.0T, and while the performance may even out, the price advantage evaporates for the S40 as well.<p>And perhaps you're right, I may have misunderstood the above statement regarding C30 pricing, but above A3 and below S40 is a small window... I kind of thought the C30 would be on par or below A3 pricing. On even footing (and I'll reserve my final judgment for when I learn more about the car) it's just my opinion that the A3 would be a superior car. Just look at it objectively and don't let that little Volvo avatar of yours dictate everything.

Fabia SDI Elegance
12-18-2005, 01:36 PM
<A HREF="http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/3060000000046870.JPG?0.11615785404863499" TARGET="_blank">http://www.weblogsinc.com/comm...63499</A><p><br>Source:<p>weblogsinc.com

Shomare
12-18-2005, 04:10 PM
There is a reason that that little avatar is there. <p>Sometimes brand loyalty supersedes performance specs....<p>The price range I noted for the A3 is from base model to the top of the line.<p>Yes it's fully loaded but so is the S40 T5 that I specified.<p>I would not be interested in anything that came out of the VW / Audi stables after the horrendous experience that I had with My Jetta.<p><br>So bad was that experience that it left an indelible impression and a resolve that I'd never consider doing business with that company again under any circumstance.<p><br>That said, I don't care if the A3 will run circles around the C30. <p>It won't be an Audi / VW and that is what puts it ahead of the game as far as I'm concerned.<p>Am I biased? You bet your ass! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Shomare at 4:13 PM 12/18/2005</i>

superlight
12-18-2005, 05:20 PM
Since the C30 is the same platform as the ford focus rs, please please volvo make it a drivers car

superlight
12-18-2005, 05:26 PM
The ford focus rs gets better reviews in the euro press than vw gti, and audi A3. The rs comes with the volvo s 40 turbo engine. Ford owns volvo. Please volvo make it a proper drivers car, and do not change it for north america. I really would buy one if it driver proper over the audi/vw. Please listen

Shomare
12-18-2005, 06:52 PM
C30 uses the same platform as the Ford Focus <B>ST</B> not RS. RS is MK I generation.<p>New RS has been shelved for now. It may come back with a I6T from Volvo. Time will tell.

superlight
12-18-2005, 06:56 PM
Thank you, my mistake, do you know any details of the c30? engine, trans. etc.

Shomare
12-18-2005, 07:01 PM
Your questions can be answered by reading this thread.<p>Cliff notes:<p>Possible AWD and same T5 motor used in current S40T and V50T plus a four cyl and possiblility of a hybrid.<p>Same C1 Platform as the Focus (Europe) Mazda 3, and the current Volvo S40 & V50.<p>It is to be seen in Detroit in January.

synthesis
12-18-2005, 10:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DoMiNo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just look at it objectively and don't let that little Volvo avatar of yours dictate everything.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So your Audi avatar isn't biasing your reasoning just a little?<p>And I didn't know "objectively" meant comparing your mighty A3 to a car that isn't yet on the road. This car has tremendous potential, and could very well prove to be a better car than the A3 in many respects. Don't start comparing the 3.2 DSG when you aren't even sure what the equivalent price would get you in terms of a C30. <p>As a side note... Judging by the numb steering and suspension that the Golf/A3 uses, I wouldn't be surprised if the C30 is a much better drivers car, as it is based on the Focus which gets tremendous reviews from journalists worldwide.

Tidal
12-19-2005, 05:54 AM
Their getting good with these spoof campaigns <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/</A><p>Looks a lot like the SCC. Oh, and the photos change occasionally.<br>

Shomare
12-19-2005, 08:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DeadDave</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Their getting good with these spoof campaigns <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.com/_campaigns/C30/Teaser/</A><p>Looks a lot like the SCC. Oh, and the photos change occasionally.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <B>Just out of curiosity, do folks bother to read thought the thread or do most just jump to the last page?</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Omar
12-19-2005, 08:18 AM
i go to the last page, but that's because I've been following this thread since it was created

Susan
12-19-2005, 08:57 AM
Just spotted this as the accompanying picture to a story about Ford Group computer design systems. Looks like the real C30 to me:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.blueovalnews.com/images/fcn.bunkspeed.gif" BORDER="0"><p>EDIT: On second thoughts, having looked again at the pictures of disguised cars on test in the UK, I think this is just the SCC in a different colour. No suicide doors for the real thing so far as you can see from the camo'd test cars. <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Susan at 8:04 AM 12/19/2005</i>

-Zouz-
12-19-2005, 09:03 AM
Maybe, but isn't the C30 supposed to have only 3 doors ?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmileo.gif" BORDER="0">

bolita
12-19-2005, 09:25 AM
maybe with "suicide" doors??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Tidal
12-19-2005, 09:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <B>Just out of curiosity, do folks bother to read thought the thread or do most just jump to the last page?</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Care to explain that comment? Or don't you yourself do what you preach?

DrPetrus
12-19-2005, 10:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DeadDave</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Care to explain that comment? Or don't you yourself do what you preach?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What Shomare meant was that the link you posted had already been provided and discussed a few pages back.<br>

Smart22186
12-19-2005, 11:13 AM
I would assume that Volvo wouldnt use suicide as that would be advertising the car as a 4 door (or 5 door) by doing this it would attract the wrong audience, (unless they offer a 2/3 door and a 4/5 and have suicide doors as extra doors that would be kool) As mentioned earlier that if it did have these doors it wouldnt fit in with the Volvo safety thingy, for instance if u know u are buying a 2 door then u would be aware that the ppl in the back cant always get out incase of an emergency. Whereas if u are buying a 4/5 door they should be able to. In this case they cant. Until suicide doors become more widely known I cant see Volvo using them, as for the statement that its more awkward than a two door I wouldnt of said it was, it would be the same as a two door only the front seat passenger/driver would not need to exit the car and move the seat forward they would only need to open the door. But I suppose we will have to wait and see. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Smart22186 at 10:18 AM 12/19/2005</i>

Shomare
12-19-2005, 11:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DeadDave</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Care to explain that comment? Or don't you yourself do what you preach?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for your efforts but a read of this link would have revealed that I posted that link a couple of pages ago.<br>

Shomare
12-19-2005, 11:36 AM
<B>I think that is the real deal!<p>Never seen the SCC in any color other than orange and that car, at least at that angle lookd diffrent.<p></B> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Susan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just spotted this as the accompanying picture to a story about Ford Group computer design systems. Looks like the real C30 to me:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.blueovalnews.com/images/fcn.bunkspeed.gif" BORDER="0"><p>EDIT: On second thoughts, having looked again at the pictures of disguised cars on test in the UK, I think this is just the SCC in a different colour. No suicide doors for the real thing so far as you can see from the camo'd test cars. <p><br><i>Modified by Susan at 8:04 AM 12/19/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE>

bolita
12-19-2005, 12:07 PM
I'm not sure since you can clearly see the rear door line in this picture along with the recessed door hanlde in the rear quarter window (kinda like the SEAT Leon) and VOlvo has clearly stated that the C30 will be a 3 door...<p>Maybe its the C30 concept???

Omar
12-19-2005, 03:33 PM
yep, looks like the concept to me. <p>definitely not the production model

sanbar778
12-19-2005, 06:49 PM
Naw, that really just looks like the SCC concept from way back when with a new paint job, tinted windows and chromed wheels. Volvo is REALLY dragging this out. In my opinion they owe us the actual car, not ANOTHER concept. This will be the 3rd concept pointing toward the new C30. I mean come on!

Shomare
12-19-2005, 06:57 PM
If you look very close, there are some subtle differences between the SCC car and the blue car shown here.<p>Most notably the tail lights. Gone is the orange side marker and the reverse light is smaller. The reverse light is centered in the taillight rather than running the full length.<p>I've never seen the SCC in any color other than orange and I think that I've seen every photo of it ever taken...<p>I think that this may be the concept version that is to be shown in Detroit.<p>If it is, I hope that the production version does not differ much. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

joesuv86
12-19-2005, 08:57 PM
The blue car above looks like a design study of some sort, the windows are blackened out and stuff....also i highly doubt suicide doors will come on the c30..if anything somthing like the rx8, but nothing like this.<br>Although you never really know...

Shomare
12-20-2005, 07:19 PM
The more I've looked at it the more I've come to believe that it is a design study.<p>It is very similar to the SCC car with modifications to the taillights.<p>Also, Volvo has said that the rear doors pose too much of a safety hazard to incorporate into a production car. Its about a rear passengers ability to exit the car in the event of an emergency.

knihc2008
12-20-2005, 07:35 PM
also has the see-through a-pillars.

sanbar778
12-20-2005, 08:12 PM
This is the SCC. I have seen many concpet cars repainted in different colors and how easy would it be to change the taillights to something more smooth and modern. I bet that this thing is sitting in the lobby of some Volvo Corp Office like other car companies do with concept cars. I mean they even used those same wheels, this is the SCC, no doubt.

Shomare
12-20-2005, 08:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also has the see-through a-pillars.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Am I missing something here?<p>I've blown that image up and I can not see enough of the A pillar to say for sure that it is the see through type.<br>

jlaidler
12-20-2005, 09:18 PM
I saw this inside a truck in Vancouver of all places (where I live). I was very excited because I thought I had the real deal, but it did say SCC on it and it was blue. I presume they were doing some filming perhaps (lots of movie and film work in Vancouver). So I will bet the real car will be a 3 door version of this.

iamalittlepepper
12-21-2005, 02:23 AM
Remember the point of suicide doors / flip doors etc.. they are all for show and allow car designers to show case the car's interior during the car show.<p>They might not be practical.. but they do serve a purpose.

Shomare
12-21-2005, 06:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Volvo Cars' stand at the North American International Auto Show 2006 is located in the Detroit Hall, stand 3.<p>The Volvo Cars' press conference will take place in Cobo Arena on January 9, 12.10 (local time).<p>PRESS DAYS: 8-10 January 2006<br>PUBLIC DAYS: 11-22 January 2006</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
12-21-2005, 01:37 PM
I actually think i preffer the rear lights with the orange indicators at the side. I know this looks more modern and classy(as Volvo's should look) but i think those indicators added an extra dose of sportyness to the car and also made it look more "detailed". Still looks cool though.

galv
12-21-2005, 02:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Susan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.blueovalnews.com/images/fcn.bunkspeed.gif" BORDER="0"><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>the blue car may be the Volvo C30 Design Concept:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From the evidence that weve gathered the Volvo C30 promises to be the smallest car in the Volvo portfolio. The new 3-door sporty design was supposedly heavily influenced by two of Volvos most exciting concept cars: the SCC and the 3CC. Rumour has it that, in keeping with Volvos almost legendary reputation for safety, the C30 will feature an unparalleled level of occupant safety for this class of car. Well keep our ear to the street and keep you up to date on the inside story. Current release date for the Volvo C30 is signalled as late 2006. <B>However, the C30 Design Concept might be shown much earlier</B></TD></TR></TABLE><br>

synthesis
12-21-2005, 02:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>joesuv86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also i highly doubt suicide doors will come on the c30..if anything somthing like the rx8, but nothing like this.<br>Although you never really know...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How would these be so different than the suicides on an RX-8? They are essentially the same, only these look to be larger, providing an easier time in getting to the rear seat. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, Volvo has said that the rear doors pose too much of a safety hazard to incorporate into a production car. Its about a rear passengers ability to exit the car in the event of an emergency.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How would extra doors pose more of a safety hazard than having no rear doors whatsoever? These doors make it EASIER for rear passengers to get out... that is the entire purpose for their existence.

Shomare
12-21-2005, 06:39 PM
If they are anything like the doors on current club cabs (Ford F150) they require that the passenger or driver's door be opened in order to open the rear door.<p>Essentially, the front door laps over the rear door preventing the rear door from opening unless the front door is first opened. <p>The concept version of the C30 will be shown in Detroit. This has been noted in this thread.<p>I don't think that this blue car is that concept. Just a variation on the SCC<p>The production version is to be shown at the Paris Auto Show.

Smart22186
12-22-2005, 01:13 AM
I think what synthesis is trying to say is that if u only have a 2 door then the rear passangers cant get out any way in an accident, so how can having suicide doors be less dangerous than that? ok so u cant open them without front doors first but u cant open non existand doors at all, at least this way ppl in the back stand a bit of a chance. <br>Only prob would be advertising in my oppinion, if they are advertisisng the car as a 5 door then ppl would expect the rear passangers to be able to get out in an accidednt. but really they prob couldnt.

rwcmick
12-22-2005, 03:03 AM
So, let's see here..."Susan" who has never posted here, registered on the day the photo was posted and has not posted since found this photo in a story about "Ford Group computer design systems." Methinks that "Susan" is an operative from Volvo marketing. Fits perfectly, no? They are being rather coy about the whole pre-launch of the concept and this would dovetail perfectly with that strategy. Maybe I'm wrong, but then again maybe I'm so right that I just blew your mind.<p>Whoops, gotta go. Black helicopters coming.

synthesis
12-22-2005, 04:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shomare</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If they are anything like the doors on current club cabs (Ford F150) they require that the passenger or driver's door be opened in order to open the rear door.<p>Essentially, the front door laps over the rear door preventing the rear door from opening unless the front door is first opened. <p>The concept version of the C30 will be shown in Detroit. This has been noted in this thread.<p>I don't think that this blue car is that concept. Just a variation on the SCC<p>The production version is to be shown at the Paris Auto Show. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am quite aware of how the doors work. I've been in several vehicles equipped with them, including a Silverado and RX-8 in my family alone. I wasn't asking how they work, I was asking how having extra doors will inhibit the rear passengers from getting out. For a strictly 2-door, the front passenger door will need to be opened regardless, but having the suicides mean the rear passengers can then get out without the front seats going forward. In all my experiences with them, suicide doors make it easier to get out and save alot of time wrestling with the front seat to go forward.

drugmirko
12-22-2005, 05:49 AM
everything what synthesis said above is right and stands for normally functional car! but suicides are regarded as danger hazard because of the simple fact that they can't be opened ALONE from the rear passenger seat and WITHOUT of opening the front doors FIRST! ... which is almost equal to not having them at all!! safety scenario is very simple.... in crashes doors tend to get jammed! more doors means bigger chances, that one of them will remain functional and you can escape! but.... if two out of four doors are "jammed" even when car is shiny and unscratched.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> you know what I mean...

CosworthKid
12-22-2005, 06:53 AM
Sorry drugmirko but i still think that Synthesis makes prefect sense and any reason i heard here about why 2 doors is better than having suicide doors at the back doesnt make sense to me. So what if u cant open the rear doors unless the front ones are open??At least when the front doors ARE opened u can get out very fast if u are sitting at the back and got suicide doors. If the front doors are jammed then u are screwed anyways and if its a 2 door you can not leave the vehicle. But if they dont jam and u got the rear suicide doors then isnt that MUCH MUCH better than having to wait for the front passengers to get out first,fold the front seats and then crawl out of the back seat?? Im sorry if i miss out on something but suicide doors make A LOT more sense than having just 2 doors when it comes to safety. And what Volvo could do is keep the suicide doors and also create the same front seat mechanism that 2 or 3 door cars have so in the event that the suicide doors dont work, rear seat passengers can still pull the front seat forward and get out of the car in the same way they would have if it was a 2-3 door. So frankly, i dont buy the Volvo statement that the extra suicide doors are a safety hazard. That is bull in my opinion. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

Shomare
12-22-2005, 07:02 AM
<b> From Car Talk with Tom & Ray "The Car Guys"</b><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, the best answer we could come up with, John, is that in the old days, these doors were prone to open in a crash. And since this was before the time of seatbelts (and practically before the time of seats!), a driver or passenger could easily be thrown forward, right out of the car and onto the street in an accident. So driving a car this dangerous was said to be "suicidal." And that's where they got the name "suicide doors</TD></TR></TABLE><p><b>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.</b><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The name refers to the danger of such a door being hit by another vehicle while parked at the curb, which would be catastrophic if a passenger happened to be entering or exiting the car at the time (although some erroneously claim it refers to an increased danger of the door falling open while at speed).<p><br>For a time, the last true, independently opening suicide doors were fitted on the Ford Thunderbird 4-door sedan from 1967 through 1971, after which their use ceased due to safety concerns. More recently, rear suicide doors that cannot be opened until the regular front doors are opened have been appearing on a number of vehicles, including extended cab pickup trucks and the Mazda RX-8.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><b> Because incorporation of "suicide" doors often includes the elimination of the B Pillar there is less structure support offered to protect passengers in the event of a side impact crash.<p>This loss of structural rigidity would be in conflict with Volvo's saftey philosophy.<p>While the SCC perseveres the B Pillar<p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/SCC/Interior/001__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A> <p>I'm going to venture a guess that it was not up to Volvo safety standards and as such deemed unacceptable for incorporation into a production desighn.<p>So to answer your question Synthesis, I'd say it's about the B pillar.</b><p>

Smart22186
12-22-2005, 07:21 AM
strange how they would be fussy about the "B" pillar when on the scc the "A" pillar is glass!

Shomare
12-22-2005, 07:44 AM
Actually, it's more of a honeycomb structure.<p><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/gallery/generated//Concept%20Cars/SCC/Exterior/009__scaled_600.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/gall...0.jpg</A><p>The Glass is actually Plexiglas laid into the honeycomb structure.

Smart22186
12-22-2005, 09:11 AM
yeah yeah i knew that, but i still cant see how that can be as safe as a normall "A" pillar, however i will add that im awear u can get very strong glass, in airplanes the glass is stronger than the actual fuselage.

ROCKETMAN
12-22-2005, 04:46 PM
Its for greater visibility.

Shomare
12-22-2005, 05:44 PM
<A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/23shomare/c30.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...0.jpg</A>

CosworthKid
12-22-2005, 06:18 PM
Cool image!Is that from a pre-production model or a concept??

Shomare
12-22-2005, 06:42 PM
Don't know yet....<p>Trying to find out.<p>That one was attached to a second photo that I'm not feeling...<p>Hope it's not the real deal otherwise I might have to tap out.

Shomare
12-22-2005, 07:03 PM
Here is the second photo:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10219_AOMNOZJSACVAZ.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...Z.jpg</A><p>I've seen it and before.<p>It's the image that I've always liked the least.<p>I'll hold off final judgment until I see it in person but at leas from this angle, I don't like the look of it at all. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

alessdamico
12-22-2005, 07:38 PM
<A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/23shomare/c30.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...0.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/10221_ACJKKYBECISZS.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...S.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img76.exs.cx/img76/5945/c30a0kh.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img76.exs.cx/img76/5945/c30a0kh.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/ef0ne/CSS/File0003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i7.photobucket.com/albu...3.jpg</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0"> I think it's from the new C30.<br> All those images have strong similarities.<br> Specially this new image and the spy-shot.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 9:47 PM 12/22/2005</i>

Shomare
12-22-2005, 09:11 PM
Yes, they do seem to match up very well when you place them side by side.<p>Not sure if I like them much.<p>

joesuv86
12-22-2005, 09:20 PM
I think this is a pic of the concept that they'll show that will be close to production....just another teaser picture...but its not really showing much..

synthesis
12-23-2005, 01:13 AM
Shomare, that second photo from tcc is a simple chop of the S40. I'm not feelin it either... Looks horrible imo, and it is no way indicative of the final design (judging by the spy photos posted by alessdamico).

alessdamico
12-23-2005, 03:43 AM
I do agree that there is apossibility to be from the C30 Concept too.<br>But thinking and considering the shape and materials, it looks more<br>a production model tail lights.<br>The spy-shot, we agree that must be of the production model; and <br>despite the camo, we can see that the taillights match: we have<br>red lences on the border and translucid lences in the center...<br>neither the 3cc or SCC has this lences scheme in the tail lights...<p>So, my focus is specially on the tail lights design...<p>For me matchs so well.<p>But, I just wanted to explain better my vision.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If somebody agree...please let me know your opinion...<br>I would like to know if I'm crazy or seeing things that don't exist??<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Thanks

Shomare
12-23-2005, 06:30 AM
alessdamico, I'd agree that the taillights are a match. <p>The new image of taillights matches the camouflaged C30's arrangement and also matches the teaser images providd by Volvo at last year's Detroit auto show.<p>What worries me is that the TCC chop might actually be spot on!<p>The TCC image follows the lines of the camouflaged car so well it would seem plausible that this may be what we see when the cover comes off in Detroit.<p>I'll hold off final opinion until official photos have been releases and or I see it in person but right now I'm leaning toward disappointment because I had hoped that the car would look more like the blue version of the SCC car that was recently posted by Susan.<p>Where did she go.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>alessdamico, see ya over at Volvospy.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Shomare at 5:38 AM 12/23/2005</i>

drugmirko
12-23-2005, 05:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry drugmirko but i still think that Synthesis makes prefect sense and any reason i heard here about why 2 doors is better than having suicide doors at the back doesnt make sense to me. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>heh... maybe I've not been clear enough... I'm not saying that 2 doors are better than 2+suicides. that would be stupid (no ofence ment...)! of course that accesing rear seats is easyer with them! <br>I'm saying that they are bit unpractical, cause you allways have to open both doors in order to use them, I'm saying, that they are almost unusable (ok. at least anoyingly dificult to use) for back sitting passenger if there's no one sitting infront of them on same side and I'm saying, that one big part of what makes them safety hazzard is the fact that you can't open them from rear row even when car's fully functional, let alone crashed! ...you said it beautifuly by yourself:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the front doors are jammed then u are screwed anyways and if its a 2 door you can not leave the vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>there's absolutely NO way to open them if front dors are jamed! in that sense this is 2 door car even when car's not crashed! and this is quite a downsize for a 4 door car....<p>

VDub
12-23-2005, 07:23 PM
<A HREF="http://www.eldiferencial.com.mx/content/view/1138/28/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.eldiferencial.com.m...8/28/</A><br><IMG SRC="http://www.eldiferencial.com.mx/images/stories/Volvo/C30_Project_centro.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>This is my first post so I hope this works. I can't understand the Spanish but as you can tell, this is clearly the Volvo C30. <br>I can't wait to see the production of this car! <p><br><i>Modified by VDub at 6:34 PM 12/23/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by VDub at 6:36 PM 12/23/2005</i>