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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 11:21 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1076554231" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....54231</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><i>Next Freelander Takes Shape<br> <br>This week's issue has the world's first pictures of the all-new Freelander replacement model.<p>The mag's images show a development mule with the current car's bodyshell, but the track is wider and the wheelarches are flared out to accommodate a different platform. Being developed in conjunction with Volvo, the floorpan will also spawn a 'baby' Swedish SUV, rumoured to be the XC50. Both will be based on a modified Ford Focus platform with full-time four-wheel drive. <p>Visible at the rear edge of the front wing is a small air vent, which shows this car uses the 2.7-litre V6 diesel engine as seen in the Discovery and forthcoming Range Rover Sport. <p>Other models in the range will feature 2.0 and 2.2-litre Ford TDCi oil-burners, while V6 and four-cylinder petrol units are also expected. <p>The car is the next phase in Land Rover's six-year plan to totally revise its line-up, which started with the Range Rover in 2002. Expected to make its debut late in 2005, the Free-lander is tipped to hit the road in 2006.<p>Although its boxy looks and separate steel chassis will both remain, the workhorse 4x4 will get a revised interior and new powerplants. These will include the 150bhp 2.2-litre unit from the Ford Mondeo ST TDCi. In 2008, a hardcore 4x4 will arrive, using shortened Discovery underpinnings but styled as an upmarket Defender. The final model is a sub-Freelander soft-roader which is expected in the same year.<p> <br></i><p><br><A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk</A><br>Pics of mule in the mag. Anyone?<br>2005/2006. Those Solihull guys are really shifting new gear.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>am2k</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Here is a chop of what the new freelander may possibly look like... <p><IMG SRC="http://server6.uploadit.org/files/student3k-l359a.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br><IMG SRC="http://server6.uploadit.org/files/student3k-l359b.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autocar<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><I>Freelander<p>At the end of 2006, the Freelander will be nine years old, a long life for a vehicle conceived in the dark days of British Aerospaces ownership of Rover and Land Rover. Todays Freelander is loosely based on the archaic Rover 200 platform. The new model will be a very different beast with a new platform, state-of-the-art powertrain, clean, crisp styling and, hopefully, unprecedented build quality thanks to a switch to Jaguars Halewood plant.<p>The most noticeable change for the new Freelander is its chunkier proportions. The car sits on a much longer wheelbase and is wider, too. Overall length is very close to todays 4.4m but, with the wheels pushed closer to the corners, insiders report that the cars stance is much-improved. Overall, the look is not quite as style-minded as the new Discovery, said a source familiar with the car. We have to remember that most people come to the Freelander from cars, so were not trying to be a small Discovery.<p>Key details like the one-bar grille and stepped roof will remain. Other important features are the absence of body cladding and a strong styling swage line along the cars front wings, retaining the Freelanders clean and classical styling. The beltline rises towards the rear haunches, like on many cars. Just a single bodystyle  a five-door hatchback  is currently being engineered. Low sales have killed the three-door soft-back model.<p>Codenamed L359, that five-door will be based on a development of the new Focus platform. Known as EU CD, the same platform will underpin the replacement for the Volvo S60, XC60 soft-roader, Ford Galaxy and Ford soft-roader, dubbed MAC. Like on the Ford Focus/ Mazda 3/Volvo S40 project, the term platform is really shorthand for a component set that each brands designers can delve into when creating their own distinct vehicle, providing commonality of parts hits around 40 per cent. Usually, the target is 60 per cent, but Land Rovers specific engineering needs have reduced this figure.<p>The new Freelander will stick with a car-derived four-wheel-drive system that eschews a separate low-range transfer gearbox, an omission that saves both weight and complexity. But this second-generation off-roader is expected to be more sophisticated than the current Freelander and is rumoured to include an optional limited-slip rear differential. Engines will be picked from within the Ford empire and tweaked for a torquey SUV application. Land Rover will be able to choose from three four-cylinder petrols: a 115bhp 1.6 litre, 130bhp 1.8 and 145bhp 2.0, which replace todays single choice of a Rover-derived 1.8. The platform is engineered to take Volvos five-cylinder units across the engine bay, although Land Rover will prefer a Ford V6 petrol for the US market.<p>Common-rail turbodiesels from the Ford/Peugeot Lion family will replace the BMW 110bhp 2.0-litre unit. An entry-level 115bhp 1.8, mid-range 136bhp 2.0 and 173bhp 2.2-litre are all potential choices for Land Rovers engineers. A version of the 2.7-litre V6 TD is also under consideration. The chief weakness of the current Freelander is its cabin quality, despite a clever revamp in 2003. Expect higher-grade plastics and fabrics to bring a more quality feel to the cabin. The design itself is understood to be a little less formal than the Range Rovers and Discoverys, in a bid to appeal to car buyers who have to be teased out of their hatchbacks and saloons.<p>The Freelander will be pitched as one of the few junior SUVs with off-road ability, but Land Rover is also keen to stress its ability on Tarmac, where most will spend the majority of their time. The car-derived rack-and-pinion steering should make the new Freelander a sharper drive. And, although the exact suspension set-up is still secret, it is reasonable to assume that the EU CD platforms suspension of front struts and rear multi-link will be heavily upgraded for 4x4 applications. New Freelanders wider stance and revised four-wheel-drive system should bring welcome increases in grip, roll resistance and high-speed stability. And the new platform and powertrains should improve refinement at speed, the main weakness of todays Freelander.<p>We might be sharing a platform, but this is a real Land Rover, said a senior source. We have the freedom to do just about what we want. Sales kick off in late 2006 with prices from around 16,500.<br></I><p>continue the discussion here.

AM2K
12-20-2004, 12:43 PM
New Spyshots:<p><IMG SRC="http://server2.uploadit.org/files/student3k-l359c.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://server3.uploadit.org/files/student3k-l359d.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>SOURCE: AUTO EXPRESS

bolita
12-20-2004, 02:17 PM
Does the current Freelander have the side vents as this pictures shows?<p>I belive not, but we dont get any Diesel in my area.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
12-20-2004, 02:22 PM
Isn't the side vent for the snorkel for the engine like the Disco 3 has? I am not sure if the ones on the sport are there also for the snorkel since they are on both sides. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

jro4566
12-20-2004, 07:21 PM
Considering that all PAG vehicles have or are getting Volvo's safety technology (RSC, etc.) and that the next Freelander is being co-developed with Volvo who is working on the XC50, I wouldn't be surprised if this new Land Rover becomes the safest , most capable vehicle in its class.

bolita
12-21-2004, 02:15 PM
But then again there has to be enough family difference between the Freelander and XC50 so that they do not eat at each other.. at least I hope <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

MegaD
01-17-2005, 03:39 AM
I have heard that this model is being pushed forward.. <p>Maybe on the roads before the end of the year.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I think this model will give Land Rover some real volume if its pulled off right.

pcread
01-17-2005, 04:23 AM
Hmmm, sounds logical to move it forward on the back of the success of the Disco 3 and the Sport. Keep the momentum.

KaRaceR
01-17-2005, 07:09 AM
as with all land rovers i love it but it will hav to do really well to keep up with the range and the disco

bolita
01-17-2005, 07:42 AM
You mean it would be launched before the end of 2005?<p>I really think that LR needs to do it but in the end they would have 4 out of 5 new models (if you consider the powertrain change of RR as new...) within 1 year which is unlikely...<p>In any case I hope so!

hollc004
01-17-2005, 10:20 AM
Im not sure if I was land rover that id consider changing the freelander drematically. The mior changes at a little bit pointless i think

Flagship
01-17-2005, 11:34 AM
I like the new redesign it looks good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> LR made a good move not trying to make it look like a Ford Escape all over again, since the current one looks like one.

MrMGMan
01-17-2005, 01:04 PM
Well, Ford had absolutely no input into the design of the current Freelander, other than the changes made to it during its mid term facelift a year or so ago. The basic structural and mechanical design of the car was signed off almost 12 years ago under British Aerospace owned Rover Group. The reason it didn't appear until 1997 was BAe's consistent underfunding of the Rover and Land Rover product ranges.

Superfresa
01-17-2005, 05:02 PM
This project is just testing powertrain / Chasis... There is soo much left to go.... It won't be here before 2006 even if they really press on it. And it's wise to press on it, however, as Freelander, once the best sold SUV in Europe, is now decreasing sales because it's ageing...

MegaD
01-19-2005, 02:52 PM
Superfrasca.. you know someone on the 'inside'? <p>I read somewhere that it will get the 2.7 New Disco diesel.. <p>This would be awesome.

AM2K
01-19-2005, 03:20 PM
I'd have to agree with superfresca on that one.. There's no way that this car could be ready for the roads by the years end...<p>For starters testing is just beginning and no actual prototypes have been snapped yet.. just chassis mules on old bodies.. Prototype testing will take at least over a year or so.<p>Then on top of that unveiling would have to happen at least 4-5 months before sales (which would technically have made it a july unveiling.. impossible!)<p>Unless Land Rover have been doing some extremely clever testing, i dont see this being ready for sale until way into 2006..

bolita
01-19-2005, 04:19 PM
So that would mean 2007. At the rate that Freelander sales are plummeting that will be to far off what LR needs to mantain its volume growth with the other models... IMO

pcread
01-19-2005, 05:09 PM
Are they that worried? Really? LR3 and Range Sport sales will be through the roof next year with accompanyng revenue and cache. What with increased footfall in the dealerships from those two I don't think Freelander sales will be disasterous. With new packaging and sharp deals this entry level model will continue to sell. Can they squeeze that beautiful Jag 2.7 litre diesel into the current model?<br>

Hexa VVRCi
01-19-2005, 05:59 PM
well i suspect we can guess from the length it took the Discovery 3 to go from first suspension testing pics (using the Explorer/Mountaineer body back in September) to the Discovery 3 beeing seen in the flesh a year (exactly) later that new Freelander will be seen in the flesh some time in the early winter months<p>but you also have to factor in that the new Haladex AWD is already been decided so that will been an even shorter time for refining and the like<p>is any of my resoning likely

AM2K
01-20-2005, 05:33 AM
I'd suspect that this car could be ready for sale 2nd half of 2006 at the earliest... Hexa, your theory does make sense.. but i suspect we will see prototypes way before the winter...<p>Although jag wont put in the 2.7 diesel into the current model (financially it just wouldnt make sense for them).. i cant see sales dropping that badly. They'll up spec levels to help sales if needs be for the 06MY cars..<p>the facelifted freelander looks as nice as any other rivals from the outside, and the inside was given a big working over so im sure it will last.

bolita
01-20-2005, 09:17 AM
We will have to keep our eyes open for the Volvo XC50 variant since probably testing will be done by both Volvo and LR, right?

pcread
01-26-2005, 07:56 AM
<I>Land Rover to redesign Freelander using more input from U.S. owners</I><p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101664" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101664</A>

bolita
01-26-2005, 08:24 AM
Well, it is not surprsing to read those remarks. However, I just hope that LR doesn't turn to US guided" for us as LR is trully more global than local...<p>In any case, all markets will welcome a more robust powertrain and better accomodations.

Laguna
01-26-2005, 09:00 AM
The first ever time I saw it was in evo or car magazine. It was spied in Sweden. It looks just like this one but it was white. Back lights look as if their from the like the new Discovery. Don't you think? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

bolita
01-26-2005, 11:29 AM
Just like which one? Did you forget to post the picture?

Laguna
01-26-2005, 11:33 AM
I cant take a picture. Because I dont have the mag. I read it in a shop.

Charger
02-23-2005, 04:37 PM
<A HREF="http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2005/02/23/0drive/dr23-sneekpeak-0205n_02-23-2005_HV4G2GP.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix...P.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Freelander gets a complete redesign<p><br> Land Rover has begun testing early prototypes of its next-generation Freelander sport utility vehicle, which is expected to reach the market in model year 2007.<br> The new Freelander will switch to a new chassis, and the vehicle itself will be longer, wider and taller than the current model. The sheet metal is being redesigned, and the slow-selling three-door variant will be dropped, leaving only a five-door model.<br> Engine choices are likely to include four-cylinder and V-6 gas and diesel units, although only the V-6 gas version is likely to be sold in North America.<br> -- Paul Lienert<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: detnews

bolita
02-24-2005, 10:19 AM
That picture is that of the mule we had seen before only that it is much clearer.<p>My doubt is if the wheelbase will grow... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
02-24-2005, 02:00 PM
Not the same mule exactly (if you look at the number-plates for both caught, they are different).. if thats what you mean?<p>But they both testing for the same reason. Looks like this definately gonna be shaping up as a nice X3 rival at this rate. Should be interesting to see the actual prototypes once they hit the public roads..

meh130
02-24-2005, 05:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My doubt is if the wheelbase will grow... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Most of the speculation in the auto press is the wheelbase will grow. My guess is it will have to for the American market. The dominant luxury small SUV is the Lexus RX330, which itself has a longer wheelbase than the original RX300.<br>

bolita
02-25-2005, 07:27 AM
I agree that the wheelbase must/should grow. I also feel that as the Freelander grows it will give room for the rumored Landy... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

MegaD
04-28-2005, 09:26 AM
Hey there all,<p>Autocar are quoting "Land Rovers next Freelander scooped - Cancel the X3" <p>Has anyone seen this article?

AM2K
04-28-2005, 03:07 PM
Both Autocar and Auto Express have pictures of the Freelander this week...<p>BUT the article to check out is the Auto Express because it has the first images of the actual bodied prototype all disguised up. Until now they have always been mules, so it seems development has now moved onto the next stage. As previous LR projects have shown, disguise is very heavy (although freelander shape is easily visible)...<p>If anyone sees the magazine / picture, please scan it in and post it on here!!!!!

pcread
04-30-2005, 09:28 AM
<A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/56234/land_rover_breaks_free_in_baby_suv_boom.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n....html</A><p>no pics though.

LEXUS FAN!
05-01-2005, 03:45 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8542" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...=8542</A>

Superfresa
05-01-2005, 08:13 PM
Those wheels look cool, They forshadow a larger freelander, higher, tougher, cooler!

Ascariss
05-01-2005, 10:02 PM
here are the pics:<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9507_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9508_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p>btw is it longer? It almost looks like the wheelbase is slightly longer.

joamun
05-02-2005, 01:25 AM
Hi !<br>Sorry it is the old Freelander with a new chassie. It is the same car as one of the first posting on this topic.<p>Jon

protocatcher
05-02-2005, 01:58 AM
The pics at carconnection are still of the same mule that we have seen for along time now , despite that the article says its the real car .<br>Just some BS again . Still no pics out of the real LR Freelander ....not yet ....

AM2K
05-02-2005, 04:11 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>protocatcher</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The pics at carconnection are still of the same mule that we have seen for along time now , despite that the article says its the real car .<br>Just some BS again . Still no pics out of the real LR Freelander ....not yet ....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is an actual prototype testing (and i dont mean mule as the carconnection pics show)...<p>It has been snapped by auto express. I'll see if i can get the magazine.

Ascariss
05-02-2005, 10:27 AM
It's just like the RR sport mule, it had the explorer body on it's platform, clearly same idea here, since there is no new sheetmetal.

Andre
05-02-2005, 04:23 PM
All I can see is that the platform is wider than the shell, and the shecll had to be stretched (at the base of the A Pillar) to accomodate it. The platform appears to be slightly higher as well.

AM2K
05-02-2005, 04:58 PM
As promised, here are the Autoexpress pics, showing an actual Freelander prototype testing. I've also included a chop from Auto Express:<p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//l359proto.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//l359chop.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Auto Express

Superfresa
05-02-2005, 05:32 PM
The CG is highly unlikely, loos like a normal freelander nearly.<p>What's the bonnet hump on the spy pic?<p>I like the general shape and the rims. I think the front end is well camouflaged as it looks like the current freelander, but looking closely it's packed up with camouflaging material everywhere.

Santeno
05-03-2005, 08:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Both Autocar and Auto Express have pictures of the Freelander this week... If anyone sees the magazine / picture, please scan it in and post it on here!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Here is the article and pics from Autocar:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/LandRover/Freelander/28455624441.jpg" BORDER="0"> <IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/LandRover/Freelander/2845562691.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk//Car/LandRover/Freelander/58441025.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>Is Freelander set for 2006?</u><p>Work on Land Rovers next Freelander is said to have been hit by delays, although the company says it is still planning a late 2006 launch. Early development cars were photographed towards the end of last year, but these pictures, taken at the Nrburgring circuit in Germany last week, show that the project seems to have hardly moved on since then.<p>This development car reveals extended dimensions, with a wider track than the existing car and stretched rear doors to accommodate a longer wheelbase. The hold-ups are being blamed on a revamped rear suspension set-up, recently added to the test vehicles. Our sources have suggested two reasons for this late change. The first is that the Freelander will share its platform with a forthcoming Jaguar crossover vehicle, and the suspension has been redesigned to accommodate that cars need for seven seats. Originally the Freelander shared a platform with the forthcoming Volvo XC50 4x4, but our sources say Volvos requirements for a small four-wheel drive differ from Land Rovers, so the two vehicles are being kept separate.<p>The other, more radical potential reason for the Freelanders slow progress is that engineers have had to redesign the vehicle around the possibility of petrol-electric hybrid power being fitted in the future.<p>Conventional engines will come from the Ford empire, including those used in current Jaguar, Land Rover and Ford models, and insiders say the 2.8-litre Volvo straight six will fit across the engine bay. The 272bhp unit would provide significantly more power than the current range-topping 175bhp 2.5-litre Rover V6.<p>The new Freelander is likely to be more expensive than the current model. It could also be called LR2 for the US market, after the Discovery was rebranded LR3 to disassociate it with its unreliable predecessor.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here is what Autoweek Magazine has to say about it:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b> Autoweek Magazine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>Land Rover hoping next Freelander will fit U.S. market; next-gen model scheduled to arrive in '07</u><p>Land Rover executives admit that the company's lowest-price SUV, the Freelander, turns off U.S. buyers.<p>When the Freelander debuted in Europe in 1997, the vehicle was never intended to be sold in the United States. When it was re-engineered in 2001 for the United States, it lacked the refinement expected by U.S. buyers.<p>But Land Rover will attempt to eliminate those shortcomings in the redesigned Freelander, which is scheduled to arrive here in 2007.<p>"It will be optimized for North America," said Geoff Upex, Land Rover's design director. There are more SUVs offered in North America than in Europe, he said, "so the competition in this market is tougher. You really have to optimize it for that level of competition," as well as new SUV competitors.<p>What competitors?<p>Matthew Taylor, Land Rover's managing director, says <u>he expects small SUVs from Volkswagen, Audi and Mercedes-Benz</u>.<p>"So I think there is going to be a very burgeoning, growing segment," Taylor said.<p>A Mercedes-Benz source has acknowledged the existence of a compact sport wagon prototype but said no decision has been made on whether it will be produced.<p>The redesigned Freelander will be developed on a stretched version of Ford Motor Co.'s European C1 platform, called EUCD. Additionally, the automaker's next-generation, mid-sized luxury vehicles developed in Europe will be created on the EUCD platform.<p>Since the Freelander went on sale here in 2001, critics have pointed to the current model's underpowered V-6; an all-wheel-drive system that lacks a low gear; and a lack of certain luxury amenities, such as power seats. U.S. sales slipped to 5,430 units in 2004, down 43.0 percent from 2003.<p>"We are going to address the major concerns as to why people are not flocking in to buy Freelanders," Taylor said.<p>The next Freelander will have a more powerful V-6, greater off-road capability and safety features such as side-curtain airbags and stability control.<p>Taylor and Upex were interviewed April 7 at a Land Rover event near Napa, Calif.<p>While the next-generation Freelander will be about the same size as the 2005 model, "the package is significantly better," Upex said.<p>Upgrades will include more luggage capacity and seating tweaks, including power and easier ingress and egress.<p>Taylor said the automaker will deliver on what he calls the Land Rover promise -- instantly recognizable and best-in-segment off-road performance.<p>"But at the same time it has to be composed right," Taylor said. "People can't feel that they are having to sacrifice on-road comfort for the sake of driving an SUV."</TD></TR></TABLE><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:58 AM 5/3/2005</i>

Superfresa
05-03-2005, 04:51 PM
Here are the engines that the Freelander MKII <i>should</i> use IMHO, considering that the lower the production costs the better, but also acknowledging that the Freelander must appeal to many markets, from the premium X3/ML320/Rx330 competitor to the basic Liberty/Forester/Grand Vitara/Escape market it will also have to adress.<p>First off, the Jaguar 3.0L engine could be modifyed by Land Rover, as they did with the 4.2L for the LR3. This could make an awesome engine to compete in the premium market, whilst keeping costs down, as it would be a shared component with Jag, and an engine that already exists.<p>The Volvo T5 engine (2.5L Turbo 5Cyl) wouldn't be a bad option, either instead of the jag engine or (preferably) additional to it. Both would be very "Premium" engines.<p>As a low spec, to compete with cheaper vehicles, the Freelander could wear a modified version of Mazda's 2.3 engine, as Mazda is part of the PAG group as well. This engine could be a great performer in the Freelander whilst keeping base costs down.<p>As for the Diesels, <i>definitely</i> the 2.7CGI V6 PAG/PSA Diesel engine and maybe Jaguar's 2.5 Turbodiesel as well.<p>What do you people think? I think this would be a good option for Land Rover, and makes the car appeal to a broad market whilst keeping costs low and the premium image high...

boston
05-03-2005, 07:12 PM
These photos (age unknown) clearly show the v50 heritage, use the V50 wheels, likely the same 104 wheelbase (v 100 today). I discount the straight six in favor of engines going down the Halewood production line already or of course perhaps the 4.0v6, two diesels are slated both from the Ford/peugeot build up

Shomare
05-03-2005, 07:25 PM
Is this to be the basis for the Volvo "small" sport ute as well?

Superfresa
05-03-2005, 08:25 PM
It's posssible, that is yet to confirm. It was thought so, but the article just posted says not...

boston
05-04-2005, 07:36 AM
Doh: Just occurs to me that it wont be the Freelander next time around in the USA. LR2 is the likely suspect. Something tells me Ford would like to use the Freelander name for themselves......

Roadster44
05-04-2005, 07:40 AM
Autocar.co.uk has a front page article about Freelander seems to have more detail than autoweek

Santeno
05-04-2005, 07:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>boston</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doh: Just occurs to me that it wont be the Freelander next time around in the USA. LR2 is the likely suspect. Something tells me Ford would like to use the Freelander name for themselves......</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not sure what you mean by ford keeping it for themselves, since it stands to reason that the name already belongs to ford. However, if you read the autocar article above, it speculates that ford is likely to call it LR2 in the US, much in the manner they did with the discovery. It stands to reason that if they do the same as was done with the naming of the discovery, that the LR2 name won't follow it outside of the US/north american market.

pcread
05-04-2005, 08:15 AM
Slippery slope. Are they then going to call the Range Rover the LR5 and the Sport the LR4? Yikes.

pelyma
05-04-2005, 09:53 AM
Discovery had a poor reputation hence the name was dropped in the States, Freelander is in a similar position. Range Rover however must be one of the strongest brands of all, so there is no way RR or RRS will be badged as an LR. Don't you think it will be squarer than the chops, more DS3/LR3 looking to make it practical to families. I don't think it will have the TDV6 engine either, otherwise wouldn't be faster than RRS as it should weigh a heck of a lot less. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
05-04-2005, 11:25 AM
Yes but there's a new Diesel V8 coming for RR, RRSport and LR3, leaving the Freelander with the 2.7...<p>About the name, I couldn't care less how they call it, as long as it's not "Mini explorer" or something like that...

CalinG7
05-04-2005, 12:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...the Freelander must appeal to many markets, from the premium X3/ML320/Rx330 competitor to the basic Liberty/Forester/Grand Vitara/Escape market it will also have to adress.<p>First off, the Jaguar 3.0L engine... the Volvo T5 engine (2.5L Turbo 5Cyl) wouldn't be a bad option... the Freelander could wear a modified version of Mazda's 2.3 engine, as Mazda is part of the PAG group as well.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're right on the X3, which is a compact SUV/Crossover but both the M-class and the RX are midsizers so I definitely don't think it will compete against those. Most likely the competition will be X3, Mercedes recently confirmed C-class based SUV, VW and Audi compact SUVs, Acura RDX, Cadillac BRX, and anything from a premium maker that has both "compact" and "SUV" in the name. <p>I don't have any sources for this, but I think the Jaguar 3.0L is on it's way out. It's based on the Taurus engine, which itself has been around a long time. Hopefully the new Ford 3.5L engine will make it to the Freelander as a top-range option. I'm also pretty sure the 2.3L Mazda 4-cylinder won't be offered in the US, but it might in Europe. By the way, Mazda is not part of PAG, only Jaguar, Land Rover, Volvo, and Aston Martin are.

erzhik
05-04-2005, 12:11 PM
the only real competitor for this Freelander is RAV4, everybody knos that. I always see them in the magazine comparing Freelander and Rav4.. always!

Santeno
05-04-2005, 12:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only real competitor for this Freelander is RAV4, everybody knos that. I always see them in the magazine comparing Freelander and Rav4.. always! </TD></TR></TABLE><br>What about the CR-V, X-Trail, Vitara, Escape, Tribute, X3, Tucson, Liberty Etc.?<p>None are exact substitutes for each other, but I would argue that they are all more or less in the same class; with the X3 (Followed by the Freelander) covering the upper end of the class, and the Tucson and Vitara covering the lower end.

Superfresa
05-04-2005, 01:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only real competitor for this Freelander is RAV4, everybody knos that. I always see them in the magazine comparing Freelander and Rav4.. always! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>WTF? Rav 4 Isn't even Freelander's DIRECT competition, It's just one of the only other compact SUVs to have 3 doors and a rag top. Freelander's main competition is Jeep Liberty actually although that is slihjtly bigger.<p>As Santeno said, CRV, XTrail, Escape, Tribute, Forester, Tucson, Legacy, X3 are more of Freelander's category, with Rav4, G.Vitara, Outlander draging behind in Freelanders base models category.<p>The next Freelander however will need to target not only most of these (the upper part), but add there Audi, Acura, Cadillac competition and I still think that even the RX330 and ML230 & 320 despite the size difference as CalinG7 pointed out, because the Freelander is growing in size too and I'm sure prestige (main factor here) will be up to MLs and RXs standards, though you're right they're not DIRECTLY competing.<p>Sorry about the comment on Mazda being part of PAG. I thought all of them were. But anyways its still part of FoMoCo so I guess It wouldn't be totally ridiculous to think of component sharing.<p>Oh thx for pointing out the problem with jag's 3.0L engine. I declare myself ignorant on Jaguars / Aston Martins previous moves withing Ford group.<p>Well what do you ppl think could/should be Freelander's next engine (being realistic)?

erzhik
05-04-2005, 06:15 PM
WHAT? RAV4 is always being tested against Freelander..READ THE MAGAZINES! I forgot about all X-Trail, Vitara, X3 etc.<br>Freelander will never go against MB, Audi, Lexus..THOSE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CLASS, COMFORT, AND PRICE!!! and LIBERTY is STILL RAV4 CLASS, you saying that liberty is the same as Lexus RX class? strange... Have you even driven or did you even sit in Liberty...Rav4 is much much better..

Superfresa
05-04-2005, 06:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WHAT? RAV4 is always being tested against Freelander..READ THE MAGAZINES! I forgot about all X-Trail, Vitara, X3 etc.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Easy there, nobody said the current one isn't although I said that only just.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Freelander will never go against MB, Audi, Lexus..THOSE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CLASS, COMFORT, AND PRICE!!! </TD></TR></TABLE><p>We <I>are</I> talking about a totally new Freelander, as in ground up new, y'know...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and LIBERTY is STILL RAV4 CLASS, you saying that liberty is the same as Lexus RX class? strange... Have you even driven or did you even sit in Liberty...Rav4 is much much better..</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Nope, nobody is saying Liberty is in the same class as Lexus RX. I'm saying that the current Freelander is in the same class than the Liberty, and I'm suggesting the next gen Freelander could compete indirectly with Lexus RX, etc... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

pelyma
05-05-2005, 12:29 AM
If you look at how the new models have been placed, there was quite a price hike for D3/LR3, I bet the new Freelander will top out at the lower end of Disco money 30K ish, which would see it firmly against X3, but with real off road ability.

CalinG7
05-05-2005, 11:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you look at how the new models have been placed, there was quite a price hike for D3/LR3, I bet the new Freelander will top out at the lower end of Disco money 30K ish, which would see it firmly against X3, but with real off road ability.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. And I believe the X3 was developed as a Freelander rival, wasn't it? But with the Freelander now, what, 7 or 8 years old, it's considerably outclassed but the Bimmer. <p>And somebody..lol, think about this. When the Freelander came out there were very, very few compact SUVs around, so magazines had to compare it to what was available, but I'm pretty sure the Freelander has always been more premium than the rest. Also do you agree that the Discovery/LR3 competes in price and segment against the X5 and the M-class? It does. The next vehicles one step down for each manufacturer are the X-3, MLX(?), and the Freelander. They do, very much, compete against each other, and the next Freelander will make the competition even closer.

nismo
05-05-2005, 04:21 PM
I can't wait to see this. I really like Land Rover's recent design.... clean but tough. I'm guessing this will be more off-road oriented than its Volvo twin(XC50). But I don't think its going to be as good off-road as the current one since it will be car based this time around, unless the current one is car based as well? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This will definately be going after the X3. Similar size and price...

Superfresa
05-05-2005, 04:38 PM
Yeah the current one is sort of car based. This new one will be better both offroad and on though.<p>This is partly because:<br>- It will have, first, a lot more torque and power. <br>- I suppose air suspension wouldn't be impossible for this car considering its moving upmarket, so kinda like the discovery 3<br>- If not, I'm sure that suspension will receive upgrades<br>- Terrain Response, and low range<br>- Better tranny<br>- Better brakes<br>- Longer wheelbase= more stability<br>- Higher body for extra ground clearance, judging by those pics and Land Rover manager's words that the Free MKII would be better on road and off.<p>Being an LR fan, I hate to say the Freelander is NOT my favourite compact SUV, but this new one, I'd put my money down on it now if I could. This is just going to kick a** yeah! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
05-09-2005, 06:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">VOLVO POWER FOR NEW LANDIE<br>A new version of Land Rover's entry-level Freelander 4x4 is said to be set for release in 2006. The new car will be bigger and more refined say pundits, and according to UK weekly Autocar, will likely feature a version of the inline six-cylinder engine that powers the Volvo XC90 T6.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br><B>Source: carpoint.au</B><p>Hope it's true, It will be great to have that engine in the Freelander!

wilsoch
05-09-2005, 07:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah the current one is sort of car based. This new one will be better both offroad and on though.... Terrain Response, and low range.... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have no doubt the new version will be better on and off road (although personally I think the current one is pretty darn good), but why do you say it will have low range? I hope you're right, but from what I've seen and heard here and there, it won't. Land Rover seems to think that small SUVs shouldn't have low range. (Have they seen the Wrangler?) Anyway, I hope you're right about the low range thing.

Superfresa
05-09-2005, 08:07 PM
well they announced terrain response....<p>BTW, the Range sport wasn't planned to have a low range, but then, when they made the terrain response they decided for it to have it. Similarly, now that they have said the freelander will have terrain response, I think it will have it. Not sure if it's official information now that you mention it, though...

pelyma
05-10-2005, 06:54 AM
When did they announce TR for the Freelander? Sounds good if they do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
05-10-2005, 03:47 PM
Further back in this thread somewhere....<p>Yeah it sounds fabulous and makes sense. Land Rover is proud of TR (and they should be) so they're using it in everything now (as happened with hill decent control).

pelyma
05-11-2005, 12:16 AM
I guess if they put TR in it they will have to put EAS. On DS3/LR3 TR is only available on EAS models, not coil sprung ones, it gets better <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bow.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
05-11-2005, 06:51 PM
But it makes perfect sense since its moving upscale....

Santeno
06-14-2005, 09:10 AM
A few new Spy-pics from bilnorge.no:<p><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33472.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33472.jpeg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33474.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33474.jpeg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33475.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33475.jpeg</A>

AM2K
06-14-2005, 01:33 PM
looks like testing is moving on with actual prototypes... <p>nice scoop by 'bilnorge' though because thats the 2nd time only this prototype has been snapped..

Superfresa
06-14-2005, 03:07 PM
Yeah that's definitely the actual thing under the camo, and it doesn't look one bit bad either!

pelyma
06-15-2005, 02:59 AM
Is it me or do I get a feel of a scaled down disco3 cross RRS? I could point to exactly what bits, but its got the squareness of the Disco and the rear that reminds of a RRS. No crease is apparent in the doors either that I can see.

pcread
06-15-2005, 03:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it me or do I get a feel of a scaled down disco3 cross RRS? I could point to exactly what bits, but its got the squareness of the Disco and the rear that reminds of a RRS. No crease is apparent in the doors either that I can see. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>not a bad thing IMO. keep it in the family.

Omar
06-15-2005, 07:15 AM
Looks a bit too squarey - that design could age fast

bolita
06-15-2005, 07:17 AM
Yeah, looks like a scaled down RRS to me as well. Great improvement as expected!

wilsoch
06-17-2005, 03:36 PM
Looks like the stepped roof is gone, too. That's too bad; it seemed like a good feature. Wonder why they've dropped it?

Superfresa
08-01-2005, 03:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Carpoint.au</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Land Rover's Freelander is set to grow in size and stature as it endeavours to barge upmarket -- ostensibly as a rival to BMW's X3 and Mercedes-Benz's upcoming X-Class (or MLK, as it may be badged). <p>These spy pics are of the successor to the compact British all-terrainer, which is expected to make its maiden public appearance at September's Frankfurt motor show. The partially disguised prototype reveals the vehicle's stretched dimensions -- especially the longer wheelbase. Also noticeable is its added height and wider track.<p>The images (the rear view is digitally enhanced) indicate Land Rover has opted to throw in a few Discovery 3 design cues -- and this is by no means a bad thing.<p>The new Freelander is underpinned by the Ford Group's C1 platform -- also utilised by the Mazda3, new Ford Focus and Volvo S40/V50. However, for the Land Rover product it's complemented by a new Haldex four-wheel drive system that's tailored to its all-terrain job description.<p>Engine choices are likely to include Volvo-sourced five-cylinder units (both normally aspirated and turbocharged) that power the Swedish marque's S40/V50. It may also gain the 2.7lt V6 turbo diesel that's offered in the Discovery 3.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Pics that go with it:<p><A HREF="http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/carcontent/reviews/landrover/2006freelander01b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au...b.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/carcontent/reviews/landrover/2006freelander02b.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au...b.jpg</A><p>Well seems like after all it WILL use Volvo's engines (which is great news) and that awesome Ford/PSA 2.7 CGI Turbodiesel. Awesome news!

nismo
08-01-2005, 06:06 PM
Looking good. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Is this the first pic we can actually see the real body?

Superfresa
08-01-2005, 06:09 PM
According to the article, the rear is digitally enhanced, but this surely doesn't look like the test mule we were seeing before, So I'm not sure what it is exactly.

pelyma
08-02-2005, 01:07 AM
Looks good, bit RR on the back. It's going to fly with the 2.7 V6, it's a great engine in my D3, so in a much lighter Freelander is gonna fly

MrMGMan
08-02-2005, 02:25 AM
I like it, it looks modern and a bit more in proportion than the current model, while still retaining some obvious Freelander design cues, like the general shape of the body, and it looks like the front end won't be too dissimilar from the facelifted version of the current car.

AM2K
08-02-2005, 07:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>nismo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looking good. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Is this the first pic we can actually see the real body?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The pictures above are of the actual prototype, not a mule. So yes this is the real body (in disguise of course)<p>It has been snapped a few times before, just have a look back through this thread

bolita
08-02-2005, 08:18 AM
I wonder if the powertrains will be Volvo were does that leave the upcoming XC50/XC60? Seems to me that both the Freelander and small Volvo SUV will be very similar underneath... However, I haven;t heard much of the Volvo lately. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
08-03-2005, 07:43 AM
I think this Land Rover is going to be very similar to the volvo, but probably add things like low range and a few other gadgets to make it more capable. That is good news because it first means that this Land Rover is going to be fantastic and trully capable. Second, It means that you can get a very good volvo too...

bolita
08-04-2005, 09:31 AM
Everything I've read states that it will not have a low gear range, but sophisticated electronics to make it much more capable than the current Freelander.<p>The Volvo version will probably be much "softer" both technically as well as visually IMO

LEXUS FAN!
08-12-2005, 04:27 PM
i hope this isn't a repeat...but here is what seems to be a reasonable chop<p>chop<br><A HREF="http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/PMX0605Newcars015_large.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://media.popularmechanics....e.jpg</A><p>article<br><A HREF="http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/spy_reports/1664302.html?page=3&c=y" TARGET="_blank">http://www.popularmechanics.co...3&c=y</A>

sc43018
08-13-2005, 10:31 AM
i am fully aware that the current freelander has very little in common with the ford escape, but unfortunetly most other people do not see this. most people believe that the freelander is a version of the ford escape much like the mercury mariner is here in the states. <p>i was hoping that the next freelander would be a completely different design, and have no resemblance to the escape, but from the looks of it, the new freelander appears to have a lot in common with the current generation (looks wise)<p>i love with land rover is doing here, especially in the engine department, but i am still praying for a design that sets the freelander off above any X3, Q5, etc.

synthesis
08-13-2005, 11:17 AM
Agreed. I hope that the new FL will have significant design changes to set it much further apart from the escape. Its bad enough that they have roughly the same proportions, but when they share alot of design features (not to mention the current escape is probably a better vehicle) ppl rightfully will wonder why they should spend the extra $$ for the FL<p>I'm crossing my fingers Landie, because I am definitely a potential buyer if it comes out well

StevenZoz
08-26-2005, 08:01 PM
<A HREF="http://spyphotos.autoblog.com/entry/1234000203042102" TARGET="_blank">http://spyphotos.autoblog.com/...42102</A>/<p>Delayed?

AM2K
08-27-2005, 06:14 AM
Old news, i don't think its that badly delayed....

meh130
08-28-2005, 10:11 PM
A few thoughts ... <p>The nose and hood look similar to the current Freelander. I personally would like to see a shorter, blunter nose in front of the front wheels, more like the LR3. This would improve the approach angle.<p>The doors definately have a crease. The tape over the crease does not hide it. I kind of don't like this. The slab-sided LR3 doors have really grown on me. However, Land Rover's designers said the crease was taken out of the LR3 to visually make the vehicle look shorter. Likewise, they probably want the crease in the Freelander's doors to make it look longer.<p>The tailgate definately is based on the Range Rover Sport's design. My guess is like the RRS tailgate, it opens up.<p>The spare tire being off the tailgate is a good thing. While the tailgate spare is great for offroading, if you are rear-ended, you are screwed. An aftermarket mod for a spare tire mount will undoubtedly be available.<p>Also, it looks like the plastic fender guards are gone. More like RRS, and less like Freelander, Disco, and LR3. Definately more of an on-road design.<p>Regarding a low-range, I don't think it is necessary for the Freelander market. Unfortunately, Land Rover does not compete with the low-end, hardcore offroading market typified by the Jeep Wrangler.<p>It is reported the next-gen Freelander will use a Haldex differential similar to what Volvo is using on the XC-90. Given word the next-gen Freelander will use a transverse mounted engine, that should confirm the Haldex differential.<p>As I understand it, these electronic differentials are getting quite good. The big issue with all wheel drives is with the low-end gearing. It seems a more modern gearbox with a modern electrically controlled differential could provide an AWD vehicle with performance approaching a true 4WD. It would not take much to have a button that would adjust the performance of the electronically controlled automatic transmission, and lock the electronic center differential. If anyone could do this, the Land Rover engineers could. Similarly, if there was a setting to set the vehicle in a front-wheel drive mode for highway driving, it could reduce the fuel consumption. Such a design could be incorporated under the Terrain Response concept.<p>In a related area, I would love to see a hybrid next-gen Freelander using the same engine as the Ford Escape Hybrid. The Lexus RX400h Hybrid is a $50K car. I would think Land Rover could do them one better with a Hybrid HSE model. A 4 cylinder diesel hybrid would really be interesting.<p>So Land Rover, if you could do it all, a Hybrid next-gen Freelander with a three-setting selectable drivetrain (FWD, AWD, and "Off Road AWD"), I will be the first in line.

StevenZoz
08-31-2005, 10:32 AM
I just finished reading my october issue of car and driver and they said that the freelander model has been dropped until the new one comes out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> . so that means there will be no 2006 freelander?

bolita
08-31-2005, 02:04 PM
not in the US....

StevenZoz
08-31-2005, 02:05 PM
yes.. car and driver is an american magazine for 2006 the freelander is dead.<p>i just got off the phone with my local land rover dealer: he said that the freelander has been discontinued. but when it is "redesigned" it will go under a different name.

against the wall
08-31-2005, 02:17 PM
10 bucks says ford screws the name up and calls this the defender.

StevenZoz
08-31-2005, 02:20 PM
HAHa that would be so funny.. yet so bad. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
08-31-2005, 02:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just finished reading my october issue of car and driver and they said that the freelander model has been dropped until the new one comes out <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> . so that means there will be no 2006 freelander?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In regards to freelander stopping, i read somewhere the current model will stop going to the USA. This is linked in with the fact the V6 engine isn't made anymore because it was sourced from MG Rover (who went bust). <p>The next generation freelander will be using Ford sourced engines, and that is as far as i know still on schedule and due in 06/07.<br>

meh130
08-31-2005, 09:18 PM
Ford should have put the 3.0L Duratec V-6 in the Freelander a long time ago.<p>The Jaguar X-Type uses the 3.0L Duratec V-6 mated to the same Jatco transmission in the Freelander.<p>Now, with gas prices over $3/gal, Landrover has no small vehicle.

AM2K
09-01-2005, 05:14 AM
They could have done that, but realistically they expected MG Rover to carry on, and their stockpiles of engines were not enough. It would cost too much to put the duratec in, with all the testing and regulations etc..<br>

dragonsback79
09-01-2005, 08:02 AM
Does anyone else see a resembalance to the current Ford Escape in these current spy shots?<br>Size and basic shapes in the exposed body panels are very similiar...kinda has me worried. Could they be using an Escape shell? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

MitzXJ220
09-01-2005, 12:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>meh130</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Jaguar X-Type uses the 3.0L Duratec V-6 mated to the same Jatco transmission in the Freelander.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I thought that X-type had ZF transmission? Correct me if I'm wrong.<p>Mitesh

FordRules
09-01-2005, 12:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>meh130</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ford should have put the 3.0L Duratec V-6 in the Freelander a long time ago.<p>The Jaguar X-Type uses the 3.0L Duratec V-6 mated to the same Jatco transmission in the Freelander.<p>Now, with gas prices over $3/gal, Landrover has no small vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE>people who can afford a land rover can afford gas.

AM2K
09-01-2005, 01:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>meh130</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ford should have put the 3.0L Duratec V-6 in the Freelander a long time ago.<p>The Jaguar X-Type uses the 3.0L Duratec V-6 mated to the same Jatco transmission in the Freelander.<p>Now, with gas prices over $3/gal, Landrover has no small vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Luckily, the next couple of years should see the introduction of diesel variants to the North American market, and a hybrid project is apparantly under development with Ford (although i wouldnt expect that for a good few years yet).<p>But a range of V6 and V8 diesel engines are being prepared for these markets, so i'd say there are good odds the next freelander might make use of these engines. <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MitzXJ220</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I thought that X-type had ZF transmission? Correct me if I'm wrong.<p>Mitesh</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I had a little look around, and the transmissions used are the Jatco JF506E 5-speed automatic, and a Getrag MTX75 5-speed manual (which is the same as the Ford Mondeo). I think the ZF auto transmissions are used on S-Type, XJ, and XK.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 9:28 PM 9/1/2005</i>

sc43018
09-01-2005, 02:54 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I think the ZF auto transmissions are used on S-Type, XJ, and XK. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>as well as the LR3, correct?

AM2K
09-01-2005, 02:59 PM
yeh they're used on LR3 and other Land Rover products. Sorry, i was only mentioning it for Jaguar specific products in this case!

StevenZoz
09-01-2005, 03:21 PM
they really need to have a big power boost in this new one. as well as make the interior more range rover-like. i have an '02 freelander.. 0-60 time of 10.5 sec. 17/21 gas mileage which isnt too bad.. but the interior quality really sucks. the whole thing is plastic.. they did make it a little better on the facelfted '04 model but it still was a crappy interior.<p>click below and see my freelander... there are like 2 interior pics.

sc43018
09-02-2005, 01:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeh they're used on LR3 and other Land Rover products. Sorry, i was only mentioning it for Jaguar specific products in this case!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>i have driven an LR3 (loaner vehicle for when my disco is in the shop) and that transmission is one of the smoothest i have ever driven, as well as a neat feature, i know others do this, but when you stop at a red light the car automatically shifts into neutral to save on the brakes and use less gas mileage, and when it shifts back to drive, you can not feel a thing<p>if the freelander has this transmission, an engine to keep it competitive, and if LR can keep up with great interiors, this car could be a huge hit, as long as it moves away from looking like an escape with a rover badge (even tho its not)

pelyma
09-02-2005, 02:24 PM
It doesn't to my knowledge do this and I have had a Disco3 since Jan. Indeed the manual says to put it in neutral at lights to gas fuel? But it is a very smooth car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

Comrade
09-02-2005, 02:58 PM
Is LR going to use the letter-to-number combination name in any other car than the LR3. Makes you wonder is there gonna be a LR2 or LR1? It doesn't make sense to give all their SUVs word names and then have the LR3 name. What was wrong with "Discovery"? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
09-02-2005, 04:08 PM
from what i've heard the redesigned freelander is gonna be the LR2

against the wall
09-02-2005, 05:15 PM
dam, so that means i lose my 10 bux cuz its not gonna b defender. dam.lol

FordRules
09-02-2005, 05:18 PM
Yes but the 3 in LR3 stands for 3rd generation,AKA the Discovery 3.Then again this will be the second generation Freelander so it could be called the LR2. AKA Frelander 2. SO it could be called LR2. Just keep Range-Rover Range-Rover.

meh130
09-02-2005, 10:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FordRules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">people who can afford a land rover can afford gas.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes, but people who can afford a Land Rover and want a small SUV buy Lexus RX330s at $35k+ each in droves.

StevenZoz
09-13-2005, 01:55 PM
OK so today.. i got something in the mail from my land rover dealer. i am invited to a very private owner-only event. the letter says i am invited to see all the new 2006 models at special 'take home today prices' and a new model unveiling (!). could this be the new freelander? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> . i hope so... but either way i'm probably not going <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> . i just don't have the time. but remember... this was the same way the LR3 was introduced to the public.... through an owner-only event ... idk i still might go.. they gave me a confirmation number and if mine matches the one on the table, i choose $30,000 or a new 2005 LR3 V6 SE. i am going to call the dealer now and see what they say about this 'unveiling'

StevenZoz
09-13-2005, 02:10 PM
ok.. here's the story: <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> the unveiling is only for the new rr sport and sprchrgd. which are already out... i guess they are just showing them specially or something. and the guy i spoke with, who was the general manager, said that the new freelander is going to be available for purchase in the fall of 2006 as a 2007 model.

sc43018
09-13-2005, 02:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It doesn't to my knowledge do this and I have had a Disco3 since Jan. Indeed the manual says to put it in neutral at lights to gas fuel? But it is a very smooth car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>i dont know about the manual but i am 100% positive of this feature of the transmission on the LR3, the head techinician at the Land Rover dealership on the LR3 debut night told me this info after spending weeks in Canada to train on service of the new LR.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FordRules</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">people who can afford a land rover can afford gas.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>being an owner of a disco, im not sure how to respond to that... not so much offended as to say absolutely not true, i worked hard for years to pay for my Land Rover, and still work hard to enjoy it

against the wall
09-13-2005, 03:07 PM
stevenzoz i would still go to the event just to see if u can win n lr3. also, they might be tricking u into thinking its the rr sport and supercharged and they could be showing the fl.<p>1200 posts

StevenZoz
09-13-2005, 04:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bonzos montreaux</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stevenzoz i would still go to the event just to see if u can win n lr3. also, they might be tricking u into thinking its the rr sport and supercharged and they could be showing the fl.<p>1200 posts</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yea but the guy said the new freelander isn't until fall '06 plus isnt freelander in early stages of testing? i knew it was too good to be true. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> and i just dont have the time to go.. i'll try.. but.. idk... we'll see.

against the wall
09-13-2005, 05:21 PM
but its kinda weird for lr to have an owners only event to see models that have already been on sale. doesnt really make sense.

StevenZoz
09-13-2005, 05:45 PM
ill scan the letter and post it<p><br><A HREF="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/StevenZoz/freelander.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albu...r.jpg</A><br>its above the black part about undisclosed pricing<p><br><i>Modified by stevenzoz at 8:51 PM 9/13/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stevenzoz at 8:52 PM 9/13/2005</i>

against the wall
09-13-2005, 06:04 PM
that sux<br>

StevenZoz
09-13-2005, 06:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bonzos montreaux</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that sux<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>....... as in what?

AM2K
09-13-2005, 07:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ill scan the letter and post it<p><br><A HREF="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/StevenZoz/freelander.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albu...r.jpg</A><br>its above the black part about undisclosed pricing<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I think that 2006 model unveiling the letter is referring to is the 2006 Range Rover Sport... it says in the letter 'try out the 06 RRS' as well...<p>Freelander is still very much in earlyish testing phase, so they might do a preview of a clay model / pictures to gain views. But even that is unlikely i think...

against the wall
09-13-2005, 07:36 PM
sux that its only the rrs

StevenZoz
09-14-2005, 03:41 AM
well what ever this 'unveiling' is on the other side of the letter it says that a bunch of local dealers will be doing the same thing as well.

AM2K
09-14-2005, 06:28 AM
well even if you get a free test drive of the Supercharged Range Rover Sport, its well worth it!! The performance and handling is meant to be extremely impressive..

carrera4
09-14-2005, 06:33 AM
on the latest CAR magazine there are new spy pics of the next freelander: it has a very plain style in the rear end. The front end of the mule has the current headlights

CosworthKid
09-14-2005, 08:22 AM
Yes, i have seen those shots too, it really does look kinda plain but i guess we have to see the final product to make an opinions...still, regardless of the Discovery styling cues, from the rear it reminds me of Ford US's small SUV's <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

carrera4
09-14-2005, 08:47 AM
isn't quite similar to the new jeep patriot too?

StevenZoz
09-14-2005, 09:48 AM
can some1 post pics of these spy pics?

StevenZoz
09-17-2005, 02:51 PM
ha.. i just realized that i missed the 'unveiling' today <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> i forgot all about it. o well.. also... does anyone have a scanner or something where they can post the pics from the magazine pics mentioned above?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
09-19-2005, 07:19 PM
<A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=107128" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...07128</A>

against the wall
09-19-2005, 07:28 PM
looks like a smaller lr3 but bigger than the current fl. any word on lr keeping the 2 door convertible variant for the upcoming model?

pelyma
09-20-2005, 01:17 AM
No 3 door is to be made, 5 door only

StevenZoz
09-20-2005, 03:40 AM
this is on a new platform right... same one as the volvo xc50 will be right? and i can't wait until the unveiling of this. its going to be so interesting because these testers look almost identical with their lights to the current freelander. fall 2006. ugh. so where/when would the unveiling be?

lrgeek
09-20-2005, 06:32 AM
Don't be surprised if the vehicle is shown this January in Detroit. I would suspect that this is going to be a vital market for this vehicle and that Detroit would be a good venue to make a debut. Just a guess though.

Superfresa
09-20-2005, 06:38 AM
That sounds a little too soon... to me it seems more like at this stage next year...<p>Sounds increasingly interesting!

StevenZoz
09-20-2005, 10:09 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds increasingly interesting!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you can say that again.

AM2K
09-20-2005, 11:03 AM
Well prototypes have been testing around England for the best part of this year i think. I've seen a few about this week actually! But this is the first indication i seen of it hot weather testing.<p>But detroit does sound a bit soon considering the heavy disguise on it still... They could possibly do a concept of it (like range stormer)?<p>But personally i would have guessed Geneva or Frankfurt, but i wouldnt mind if it was shown earlier!

bolita
09-20-2005, 11:37 AM
I think that the Freelander is way overdue and considering that it has been pulled out of the US market for the 06 MY I would assume that LR is pressed to bring it to market ASAP.<p>I would be very disappointed is it does not bow at Detroit - even in concept form!

pelyma
09-20-2005, 11:54 AM
Disco 3 Sorry LR3 was unveiled there and didn't go on sale until the November so I would have thought run in times would be ok. I would assume the D3 needed more testing too as I would imagine it is a more complicated car.<p>Anyone know why a RR Sport all camo'd up would be on a ferry to France last weekend?

AM2K
09-20-2005, 01:34 PM
Are you sure it was a RR Sport? It could have been a Freelander heading off towards nurburgring for testing (or somewhere else in europe)<p>Or it could have been a RR Sport with the V8 diesel that is being developed. Sometimes the disguise is not taken off on early development prototypes..

protocatcher
09-20-2005, 02:39 PM
Freelander towards the ring seemes right , there was one driving there today ;-)

lrgeek
09-20-2005, 10:32 PM
I guess I should have clarified my earlier comments about the possibility of the car showing up in Detroit in January. I don't know that I would expect a production ready model by then, but I would not be too surprized if they showed something much as they did this year with the Range Rover and the Sport. They did not start production till April, but they were both at Detroit so it is possible the Freelander might too.

pelyma
09-21-2005, 01:05 AM
AM2K definately a sport with the back bumper mostly missing. It was white with black camo tape over it - sorry no picture <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
09-21-2005, 01:27 AM
Most likely we'll see it at New York, like the LR3 / Discovery 3

carrera4
09-21-2005, 03:06 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A few new Spy-pics from bilnorge.no:<p><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33472.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33472.jpeg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33474.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33474.jpeg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33475.jpeg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_33475.jpeg</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>CAR spy pics are pretty similar to these, however...

AM2K
09-21-2005, 06:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">AM2K definately a sport with the back bumper mostly missing. It was white with black camo tape over it - sorry no picture <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You probably did see a Range Rover Sport then. Some of the early models had camolfauges heavily integrated into the car, so they don't bother removing it. Back bumper missing might be an attempt to mask the exhausts for a V8 Diesel... but i could be wrong.<p>Thanks for the info though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
09-21-2005, 07:05 AM
4Car article and photos <A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/feature/preview/2005/landrover-freelander/landrover-freelander.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/f....html</A>

StevenZoz
09-21-2005, 08:37 AM
the rear is starting to look a lot the RRS. but this front... idk.. right now it looks way too similar to the current freelander.

pelyma
09-21-2005, 09:16 AM
Could that not just be an A bar under the camo to hide a flatter more D3 type front. Noone seems to have got a look to see if it is coil or air sprung. If it isn't the latter the chances of it having the TR programs that D3 and RRS have (and it is amazing) is a lot less likley isn't it?

StevenZoz
09-28-2005, 04:17 AM
Even if the rover engine was still available... The freelander sales are horrible. would there have been a good reason to keep it around in NA anyways?

bolita
09-28-2005, 07:50 AM
I dont think so... But the Rover issue allows LR to save face IMO!

spannersuk
09-29-2005, 02:06 AM
From AutoCar UK<p>New Freelander ramps up<p>Work is underway at Halewood Merseyside on the prototype build of the next generation Freelander, which is expected in the first half of next year. Remarkably, the Freelander will be built on the same line as the Jaguar X-Type with the 2 models mixing together............ Once the new car is well established thought will be given to a three door version as well as a seven seater.<p>So it looks like Detroit reveal and then on sale fairly soon thereafter.

StevenZoz
09-29-2005, 03:48 AM
hmm i can see them bringing back the 3 door but a seven seater too? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
09-29-2005, 04:56 AM
Compact hi-capacity SUV. Makes sense. Beat the anti-SUV backlash, but retain load-carrying ability those school-run moms love.

AM2K
09-29-2005, 11:32 AM
Well this definately confirms the 2006 production:<p><U><B>Advanced robots spearhead new Freelander production</B></U><p>ABB has won a contract from the Ford Motor Companys Premier Automotive Group for the supply of six-axis robots for a new manufacturing project at the Halewood plant. <p>ABB will supply more than 200 of the powerful new IRB 6600 and its heavyweight counterpart the IRB 7600, <I><B>to support the build of the Next Generation Land Rover Freelander, which goes into production at the Halewood plant in 2006.</B></I><p>The new Freelander programme marks a departure for Land Rover from its traditional home at Solihull, West Midlands, to the Halewood, Merseyside, plant, which is probably best known as the manufacturing centre for the Jaguar X-TYPE.<p>Some 226 new robots are to be supplied, which complement a further 24 refurbished IRB 6000 robots relocated from the Solihull plant. All the robots will be used for spot welding and mechanical handling applications. ABB will also provide pre-engineering support on the project. <p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.abb.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">http://www.abb.co.uk</A><br>

lrgeek
09-30-2005, 12:45 AM
Latest word from our LR regional rep is that the vehicle should be headed for a fall '06 intro in Europe, and a spring '07 intro into the US. Inline 6 cyl engine, borrowed from Volvo I would assume, and a version of the Haldex awd system. He mentioned a modified version of the Terrain response system since there is no word of the air suspension at this time.

pelyma
09-30-2005, 01:25 AM
Since rock crawl is the only terrain response that needs air suspension and a low box I guess that will be the modification. It would be good to launch earlier rather than the end of the year. LR are obviously struggling with the out going model judging by the huge discounts you can get at the moment.

Nath
09-30-2005, 02:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since rock crawl is the only terrain response that needs air suspension and a low box I guess that will be the modification. It would be good to launch earlier rather than the end of the year. LR are obviously struggling with the out going model judging by the huge discounts you can get at the moment.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5647/adfreelander023md.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.sniffpetrol.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.sniffpetrol.com</A>

StevenZoz
09-30-2005, 03:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since rock crawl is the only terrain response that needs air suspension and a low box I guess that will be the modification. It would be good to launch earlier rather than the end of the year. LR are obviously struggling with the out going model judging by the huge discounts you can get at the moment.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, all i can say is, atleast its finally coming.

StevenZoz
10-14-2005, 10:15 PM
<A HREF="http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/land_rover_freelander_07.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/i...7.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autocar.co.uk/Car/LandRover/7655121551.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocar.co.uk/Car/L...1.jpg</A> [?]<p><A HREF="http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=215491" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_...15491</A><br>No Seven Seater despite larger platform<p><br>Land Rover Freelander<br>Set for unveiling at the British Motor Show. Word is now that, like the next Mondeo (2007), it'll be built on a lengthened version of the current Focus/S40/V50/Mazda 3 platform, which it will also share with the upcoming Volvo XC50 and perhaps even a Jaguar 4x4/crossover vehicle. Likely options will include a third row of seats, and a couple of the Volvo in-line five- and six-cylinder engines. LR2 badge for US market; hybrid version expected at a later date.<br>SOURCE: channel4car<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stevenzoz at 1:41 AM 10/15/2005</i>

Charger
10-15-2005, 08:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/land_rover_freelander_07.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/i...7.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.autocar.co.uk/Car/LandRover/7655121551.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocar.co.uk/Car/L...1.jpg</A> [?]<p><A HREF="http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=215491" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_...15491</A><br>No Seven Seater despite larger platform<p><br>Land Rover Freelander<br>Set for unveiling at the British Motor Show. Word is now that, like the next Mondeo (2007), it'll be built on a lengthened version of the current Focus/S40/V50/Mazda 3 platform, which it will also share with the upcoming Volvo XC50 and perhaps even a Jaguar 4x4/crossover vehicle. Likely options will include a third row of seats, and a couple of the Volvo in-line five- and six-cylinder engines. LR2 badge for US market; hybrid version expected at a later date.<br>SOURCE: channel4car<p><i>Modified by stevenzoz at 1:41 AM 10/15/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why does it look like a Honda Element <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
10-15-2005, 08:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Charger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Why does it look like a Honda Element <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I would ignore that chop. The Autocar image is their impression of a proposed / rumoured baby Landie concept, that would be the new entry level model for the company. Its not a chop of the Freelander.<p>The platform is almost certainly EUCD, which has been adapted by each company for their own use (e.g. Land Rover have adapted it to accomodate the Haldex 4WD system). EUCD itself is an extended version of C1 platform.<p>

CosworthKid
10-15-2005, 10:48 AM
Yeah, that chop is irrelevant. The Freelander will more likely look lika a baby Discovery/LR3 with some Freelander MK1 bits carried over

pelyma
10-15-2005, 11:25 AM
2.4 diesel engine sounds great, one has to ask won't it be sportier than the RRS, the TDV6 engine only gives 190bhp and presumably a much heavier car than the Freelander, although I guess the V8 diesel will be a fair bit more powerful

AM2K
10-15-2005, 11:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2.4 diesel engine sounds great, one has to ask won't it be sportier than the RRS, the TDV6 engine only gives 190bhp and presumably a much heavier car than the Freelander, although I guess the V8 diesel will be a fair bit more powerful</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Many Land Rover sites, and some magazines have stated that TDV8 is just around the corner (production begins march apparantly). Alongside that, rumours suggest the current 2.7 TDV6 will also be upgraded to a more powerful 3.0 litre engine. <p>By the time this new Freelander is out in 2006, the Range Rover, Range Sport, and maybe the Disco3 / LR3 will have TDV8 and rumoured 3.0 litre TDV6 diesels available. This will ensure these heavy cars have the proper power and torque to match the competition.<p>Freelander will definately benefit from 2.7 / 3.0 TDV6, and will probably be the big seller in the range...

pcread
10-16-2005, 03:19 AM
certainly in the UK

pelyma
10-17-2005, 01:05 AM
AM2K so you reckon they will put the TDV6 in Freelander? It is a great engine and with a little tweaking easy enough to get another 50 bhp from it. Presumably the X3 has a similar engine, as I guess these are the two cars that will go head to head, with Freelander being capable off road (like the current one) and the BMW only looking like it can <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Do you think we will see a big price rise like with Discovery 3, making a top spec diesel about 36K ???

pcread
10-17-2005, 01:35 AM
The TDV6 is big enough to drag the heavy LR3 around, so it should be more than adequate for a Freelander.

StevenZoz
10-17-2005, 04:00 AM
i just hope the pricing is kept low enough for this car... it shouldn't go over 35k. but then again if they want to make a successful car with modern options compared to the current like a Navigation sys and rear seat DVD, they might just have to

pelyma
10-17-2005, 09:40 AM
I still don't see the TDV6 in a Freelander, but I hope they do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
10-17-2005, 11:35 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">AM2K so you reckon they will put the TDV6 in Freelander? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well personally i am hoping for one, but there has been no indication yet to say there will be. And a post half way up the page seems to hint that perhaps we might not see such a engine. I am keeping my fingers crossed though, it would definately match up to the 3.0 diesel BMW X3.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you think we will see a big price rise like with Discovery 3, making a top spec diesel about 36K ???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The car will probably go directly against the X3, so i'd use the pricing of the X3 range as a good indicator for Freelander prices....

StevenZoz
10-19-2005, 12:57 PM
a really bad computer illustration i found...<p><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/20050922095948Freelander06-1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Imag...1.jpg</A><p>

Redline
10-19-2005, 01:05 PM
As long as it isn't that boxy it wouldn't be bad. I've always liked the Freelander, but I perfered it being small, I guess I'm one of the few though.

StevenZoz
10-19-2005, 01:06 PM
<A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0017" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0017</A><p>semi-top view shot included showing small part of interior.

Superfresa
10-19-2005, 04:09 PM
Wow, that dashboard is at a huge angle... I guess that It would be difficlut to have a Land Rover Like interiour with suck an angle...<p>I love the rims...

AM2K
10-22-2005, 09:45 AM
Autocar had an article this week about diesel engines going into future Land Rovers. Although it mainly focussed on the TDV8 engine, it said about the Freelander:<p>- Will come with a new 2.2 litre engine (developed by Ford and PSA) available in 155BHP and 168BHP outputs, both with 294lb ft of torque.<p>- 154BHP unit will have a single turbo. The 168HP unit will have two small turbos, one being used at lower speeds, and the second used to boost performance and higher speeds. <p>I guess with this type of power from a 2.2 litre, the need for a 2.7 litre might not be so great. I get a feeling the 2.2 units might be enough. More details can be found on the link below:<p><A HREF="http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/6995/mail00011ww.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img431.imageshack.us/im...w.jpg</A>

joamun
10-29-2005, 02:46 PM
More pictures on an Norwegian site.<p>rgds<br>Jon<br><A HREF="http://www.dinside.no/php/art.php?id=278036" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dinside.no/php/art.php?id=278036</A>

StevenZoz
10-29-2005, 03:17 PM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> already posted but thanks anyway.<p>damn i got so excited. lol.<p>shouldn't the title of this thread be changed to 2007?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stevenzoz at 7:13 PM 10/29/2005</i>

Charger
11-14-2005, 11:51 AM
<A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0023" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0023</A>

StevenZoz
11-14-2005, 01:18 PM
finally! we have some actual photos of what it will pretty much look like. ugh... it looks very similar to the MY its replacing.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> . the fron lights are a little different but the grille and front shape look the same. the back is really different though. i like the wraparound window in the back. its ok. i would have to wait for the interior to be truely impressed by this car.

Santeno
11-14-2005, 01:47 PM
I hope it looks more distinctive in final form. Right now, It seems to have a bit too much visual Ford influence.

AM2K
11-14-2005, 01:51 PM
I would not expect anything revolutionary from this model to be honest. It will be more evolutionary from the current model. They have pretty much played it safe and just done a nip / tuck of the model. But the inside quality will be up to par with the other LR models and will be a strong X3 competitor...

Superfresa
11-14-2005, 02:07 PM
Hmm somehow, I expected more. Somehow I still do, since when the first pics of the disco 3 came out it also looked this ugly.<p>Then again, this IS a Freelander. Its yet to be seen if the second version will be a Land Rover, which the first version never was.

Chicho
11-14-2005, 03:51 PM
Why do you say it never was a LR, Superfresa?

StevenZoz
11-14-2005, 03:56 PM
because of the offroad cappabilities we expect from LR such as low range and all that stuff. plus the interior was crap and the exterior didnt have too much LR influence

Nath
11-14-2005, 03:59 PM
the first gen Freelander wasa car that Land Rover denied it would ever make, though to be fair to them it was a better off roader than any other "soft roader" before it (though dont try and tow anything heavy)<p>Rather than being a proper off road vehicle like every LR before it (though not anymore) the Freelander was basically Rover 200 underneath with suspension componants from the old Austin Maestro, I guess with this in mind it's unbelievable how good the Freelander was.<p>Compared to other LR vehicles both old and new the Freelander was always the odd one out, more car and less capable but I think it still worked as a Land Rover, Very few of its rivals we're as good off road, and though quality wasn't top notch on earlier cars it was useful and well designed.

Superfresa
11-14-2005, 07:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chicho</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do you say it never was a LR, Superfresa?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its not even that its a compact 4X4 (I wouldn't really call it a Soft Roader because It does go further). Its the fact that it hasn't got a HD Stiff chasis mated to long travell suspension, there was no low range, it didn't even have rear discs - In short it would outperform its competitors offroad, but this isn't enough to be called a Land Rover. For that it would have to have impressive offroad ability, versatility and innovative technology for the bennefit of going anywhere doing anything. The Freelander wasn't aimed properly. It should've been a little bit like what the Jeep Liberty is nowadays, at the very least.<p>What I would expect from a new Freelander to accept it as a Land Rover, is a practical car, set on heavy duty chasis and convincing suspension and brakes, good torque and low range. If after that, It's made to have all the luxury and space to fight the luxury segment, even better, but Land Rover should NOT limit the Freelander to be best offroader in class. A Lotus is the best Offroader in ITS class and it is far from being a Land Rover if you see what I mean.

Ascariss
11-14-2005, 07:53 PM
Hmm, interesting, I am wondering though if lehmann didn't edit the photos like his company usually does. Hmm I see a bit of escape in the rear. Does seem to use many disco and sport styling cues, but I would have liked to see next gen RR cues in this as well, whatever those will be. Unless the next RR will have styling that is similar to this. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
11-14-2005, 08:23 PM
these pics show a semi-stepped roof design.. i thought they weren't going to include that in this gen freelander. also... my local land rover dealers have told me that the name wont be freelander... atleast for the US. calling it LR2, in my opinion is stupid.<p>what about LR1.5? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

boston
11-14-2005, 08:30 PM
Twin rear exhaust tips. Another RR feature

Superfresa
11-14-2005, 09:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">these pics show a semi-stepped roof design.. i thought they weren't going to include that in this gen freelander. also... my local land rover dealers have told me that the name wont be freelander... atleast for the US. calling it LR2, in my opinion is stupid.<p>what about LR1.5? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What is stupid about calling it LR2?<p>Well they can just as wel call it Land Rover Fakelander if the car doesn't have a convincing suspension/engine/low range setup. It already starts off doubtfully with the chasis being Ford Focus's chasis (Not that its a bad one but This IS an offroader). But Somehow I still expect LR to cover up for the previous Freelander mistakes and makes this one a true Land Rover. Or they might just as well rip the green oval off it.

Nath
11-15-2005, 12:42 AM
Not many of the cmpact off roaders aren't car based, Honda CRV is Civic based, Toyota RAV4 I think is Corolla based, the sad truth is most people who buy off roaders of any size don't need or use them to their full capability (even the Freelanders) so the more car like they are usually means the more fuel efficient they can be

Superfresa
11-15-2005, 01:13 AM
Not many people who buy supercars ever do more than 120kph. But there.<p>The argument of "There's no need for more offroad ability" will always be a good point of view, but it is still not good enough for Land Rover. And if we go by that school of thought, why not just make it a station wagon?<p>A Toyota Corolla cannot be a ferrari just because its the fastest and sportiest in its class*, an audi A8 cannot be a smart just because its the most compact car in its class*, a soft roader cannot be a Land Rover just because its the best offroader in its class.<p><br>* Intended for example purposes only, I dont know if the corolla is actually the fastest or the A8 is actually the shortest.

pelyma
11-15-2005, 01:24 AM
Can I ask how many of you have actually driven the current Freelander offroad? And I don't mean Tesco car park <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> The car is extremley competent off road and will achieve more than most people would ask of the car. On slippery surfaces in particular it is very good, the only time it is really found wanting is when you need ground clearence. Having lived with one for 4 years it was never stuck offroad it showed plenty of supposed Japanese 4x4s how to go offroad. My complaints with the car were the lack of power, lack of space and finally build quality - lets hope LR will address these. <p>Many people consider my Disco3 not a real off roader but I can assure you it is the finest offroader I have ever driven and will tackle anything a Defender will do and complete it with ease, lets hope LR achieve a similar feat with Freelander.<p>BTW anyone know if it has air suspension?

boston
11-15-2005, 04:20 AM
I think the costs associated with air suspension are likely prohibitive at this level of the market

Chicho
11-15-2005, 04:20 AM
thank u for your explanation, now i know what you mean<p>Here you can find some cues about current freelander and there's an explanation about honda CRV and LR conection:<p><A HREF="http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/cb40storyf.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/cb40storyf.htm</A>

StevenZoz
11-15-2005, 04:38 AM
superfresa, in reguards to calling it LR2... that name is very similar to LR3 and i can never picture the freelander being up to par with that car and its offroad performance and whatnot.

Superfresa
11-15-2005, 05:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">superfresa, in reguards to calling it LR2... that name is very similar to LR3 and i can never picture the freelander being up to par with that car and its offroad performance and whatnot.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well its wearing the same badge, it'd be just logical to make it have a similar name just like audi has a4, a6, a8 and bmw has 3er, 5er, 7er, Land Rover USA will have LR2, LR3 and... uhm... range rover <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Pelyma, although I have never driven the Freelander offroad, I'm aware of its capabilities and know they are not soft roader like. If you read my previous posts you will notice I defend the Freelander has best in class offroad ability, but the post just before yours explains well IMO why the Freelander still isn't a true Land Rover - and I hope and suspect this will change with the next gen Freelander in discussion. BTW, I dont have any complain at all about the Disco3, none at all, thats why I'm confident about Freelander 2.

pelyma
11-15-2005, 05:36 AM
Superfresa what I was trying to get across was the fact that many people wrote the Freelander off because of its lack of a low box and monocoque construction - LR enthusiasts were the worst at this, without ever really trying one in anger. On snow, ice and sand they are brilliant, the revolutionary (at the time) HDC made up to a great part on a low box and traction control did a better than expected job of over coming axle articulation.<p>I think you are spot on the off road capability will improve, probably with some form of TR setting. This has to be seen to be believed, it is spooky how it can apparently loose all forward motion and then suddenly find traction where road tyres have no right in ever going.<p>Lets hope that we are both right! <p>As an aside having looked at the front again, this couldn't be camoflauge could it? Having looked at it - there is something wrong, could be poor design of course <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

joemax
11-15-2005, 10:34 AM
I would imagine that we are still seeing a disguised front. More than likely that final car will have a more up to date family face and yes... this one looks a little odd as you say pelyma.<p>The side vents are definitely not the final design.<p>Also the rear side looks a little Merc ML to me too. Overall potentially a great looking LR again !!<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sheep.gif" BORDER="0">

ndjan
11-15-2005, 12:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pelyma</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can I ask how many of you have actually driven the current Freelander offroad? And I don't mean Tesco car park <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> The car is extremley competent off road and will achieve more than most people would ask of the car. On slippery surfaces in particular it is very good, the only time it is really found wanting is when you need ground clearence. Having lived with one for 4 years it was never stuck offroad it showed plenty of supposed Japanese 4x4s how to go offroad. My complaints with the car were the lack of power, lack of space and finally build quality - lets hope LR will address these. <p>Many people consider my Disco3 not a real off roader but I can assure you it is the finest offroader I have ever driven and will tackle anything a Defender will do and complete it with ease, lets hope LR achieve a similar feat with Freelander.<p>BTW anyone know if it has air suspension?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>At this point, a comparably equipped Nissan Xterra is probably going to be about 5k cheaper, and it's bigger, way more powerful, and while I haven't really gone 4wheeling in either, I'll bet the Xterra is a lot more capable. <br>Point is that the freelander is sort of in SUV limbo. It has a perceived image of not quite being hardcore or a soft roader. But what plagues it the most (as well as the X3) is the fact that it's an awful value. I am optimistic that that will change.<br>BTW I have no doubt a discovery is a true SUV.

Nath
11-15-2005, 12:06 PM
Ive driven Freelander, Discovery II and Defender off road, and apart from the road tyres the Freelander was OK, curious to know what the Disco 3 is like though

AM2K
11-15-2005, 12:15 PM
Well Jeremy Clarkson managed to take the Disco 3 up a mountain, so i think its pretty good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
11-15-2005, 01:30 PM
we've driven our freelander off-road. its ok.. but all our previous vehicles have been sedans/coupes and all those things with the exception of our previous vehicle which was a ford explorer. but who wants to take an explorer offroad? lol. but yeah... the freelander is such a good performer in the snow. its unbelievable. its like nothing we've ever experienced. but our offroad thing was on dirt, mud, and dry dirt almost like sand, and a tiny bit of water fording. only like 1 ft deep though. so yeah... nothing too serious and i'm sure many of you have had much more drastic offroading, if any.

Dodger
11-15-2005, 02:20 PM
I know they have to make this at least a little capable off road but it wouldn't really matter if it could off road or not. The market for this, in the US at least, will be upper middle class families and the most offroading they will do is if they accidently go over a curb on thier way to dinner

Superfresa
11-15-2005, 05:05 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know they have to make this at least a little capable off road but it wouldn't really matter if it could off road or not. The market for this, in the US at least, will be upper middle class families and the most offroading they will do is if they accidently go over a curb on thier way to dinner</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not many people who buy supercars ever do more than 120kph. But there.<p>The argument of "There's no need for more offroad ability" will always be a good point of view, but it is still not good enough for Land Rover. And if we go by that school of thought, why not just make it a station wagon?<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>_______<p> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ndjan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>At this point, a comparably equipped Nissan Xterra is probably going to be about 5k cheaper, and it's bigger, way more powerful, and while I haven't really gone 4wheeling in either, I'll bet the Xterra is a lot more capable. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>There you missed, the freelander is heaps more capable than any other compact SUV, but as stated above, this is not enough for Land Rover.<p>Seems to me like we're all sitting here hoping the Freelander will be as impressive as the Discovery 3 was. And I somehow suspect it will be true....

sc43018
11-15-2005, 07:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dodger</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know they have to make this at least a little capable off road but it wouldn't really matter if it could off road or not. The market for this, in the US at least, will be upper middle class families and the most offroading they will do is if they accidently go over a curb on thier way to dinner</TD></TR></TABLE><br>i dont think that is an accurate assumption at all.... maybe it is just the people i know, but i know PLENTY of people that would qualify into the upper-middle class segment, and are off-road lovers. I dont think there is any evidence of what was said above, and I would not be surprised to see a very capable off-roading car in the next freelander<br>i know it is based off the S40, but Land Rover can find a way to make it their own, remember, their reputation is about 4 wheel drive, off-roading machines. When people see Land Rover, they think off-roading and safety, Land Rover can not risk losing the off-roading part of that rep, as it may signify the loss of the safety factor as well

FordRules
11-15-2005, 09:17 PM
Im excited to see what it will look like!

pelyma
11-16-2005, 06:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nath</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ive driven Freelander, Discovery II and Defender off road, and apart from the road tyres the Freelander was OK, curious to know what the Disco 3 is like though</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The only thing a Defender can do that D3 can't is to be mended in the field! Its success is anyone can drive it, nothing flusters it. If they put TR in Freelander it will be pretty awesome particularly if they put EAS on it like D3. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

MitzXJ220
11-16-2005, 08:16 AM
Just found these, don't know if they've been posted:<p><A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0023" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0023</A><p>Looking good!!!

StevenZoz
11-16-2005, 11:14 AM
Already posted but thanks anyway<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MitzXJ220</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just found these, don't know if they've been posted:<p><A HREF="http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0023" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mph-online.com/web/spyphotos/0023</A><p>Looking good!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

meh130
11-16-2005, 10:47 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ... and the exterior didnt have too much LR influence</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Huh? Let's see:<br>Castellated Clamshell Bonnet. Derived from Range Rover.<br>Stepped Roof Line: Derived from Discovery.<br>Indented Body Cheat Line: Derived from Range Rover and Discovery.<br>Grill and Headlights: Derived from Discovery.<br>External Spare Tire: Derived from Discovery.<br>Round Tail Lights in Rectangular Reflectors: Derived from Both Defender and Discovery.<br>Tail Light Locations (Bumper and Pillars): Derived from Discovery.<p>Freelander uses numerous Land Rover exterior design cues.<p>As Gerry McGovern said:<p>"Other cues are the castellations on the bonnet (a clamshell type, like Range Rover). Then there's the vertical front end, the equal depths of glass and the metal in the doors, the 'command' driving position and the straightness feature lines along the sides. You'll see them on other Land Rovers. On the station wagon, there's even the suggestion of a raised rear roof, so typical of the Discovery."

Nath
11-17-2005, 03:44 AM
This always confused me about the design of the Freelander.<br>Theres a mystery line that runs under the windowline, in the 3dr its on the rear 3 quarters and kinda makes sence underlining the two rear windows and the removable section.. but unlike the 5dr it's not present on the door.<p><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4131/gallery2fnew20legislation2020a.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>On the 5dr though it's only on the doors and doesn't go ahead of the doors on the A pillar or behind them on the C pillar. It almost looks as if this line was on an earlier version of the design but made the car look a bit dated so was deleted on the production version but had to stay on the doors as the dies had already been made (and being it was BAe financed Rover this wouldn't surprise me)<p><A HREF="http://imageshack.us" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/2505/freelandertd4s5drlarge0un.jpg" BORDER="0"></A>

StevenZoz
11-17-2005, 05:05 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>meh130</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Huh? Let's see:<br>Castellated Clamshell Bonnet. Derived from Range Rover.<br>Stepped Roof Line: Derived from Discovery.<br>Indented Body Cheat Line: Derived from Range Rover and Discovery.<br>Grill and Headlights: Derived from Discovery.<br>External Spare Tire: Derived from Discovery.<br>Round Tail Lights in Rectangular Reflectors: Derived from Both Defender and Discovery.<br>Tail Light Locations (Bumper and Pillars): Derived from Discovery.<p>Freelander uses numerous Land Rover exterior design cues.<p>As Gerry McGovern said:<p>"Other cues are the castellations on the bonnet (a clamshell type, like Range Rover). Then there's the vertical front end, the equal depths of glass and the metal in the doors, the 'command' driving position and the straightness feature lines along the sides. You'll see them on other Land Rovers. On the station wagon, there's even the suggestion of a raised rear roof, so typical of the Discovery."</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes i know there are things like that. but half the people buying the freelander don't look for landrover touches specifically. if i'm not mistaken most freelander buyers were women. and no offense but they mainly look for looks of <I>that</I> car. not looks based on a discovery or range rover.

AM2K
11-17-2005, 12:09 PM
True but i think its a combindation of both brand name / heritage, and distinctive Land Rover based looks that bring the people to the Freelander. <p>They like the brand image that goes with a Land Rover, and remember that when Freelander was launched we were already in the era of Land Rover looking more luxurious and prestigious with the Rangie and Disco. Freelander gave the chance for less wealthy folk to join onto the premium band-wagon. But then people also like the look of the car which is unmistakably Land Rover, and i think that pays an integral part to why this car has been so popular.<br>

boston
11-19-2005, 04:17 PM
Popular in the UK yes, the US its been a dismal failure. Overpriced, had the LR name but couldn't compete against CRV/RAV4/Escape/Mariner

Nath
11-19-2005, 06:32 PM
think anything made (and marketed for) anywhere outside the US is going to be at a disadvantage in the states because of various tax and importation fees

Superfresa
11-19-2005, 06:49 PM
In what ways? Price-wise? Because if you're talking abot the car itself, however non land rover-like it was, the freelander has a lot to compete those cars with. I feel it falls short of the Forester and the (Jeep) Liberty though.

Nath
11-19-2005, 06:56 PM
both are newer and not based on a mix of 70's BL and 80's "Ronda"<br>I'm hoping the Focus based one will have the same magic

AM2K
11-20-2005, 08:23 AM
This new has been designed with the USA in mind. Hence its a little bit bigger, more powerful, more spacious, and more luxurious (although i think it will take the disco's 'utilitarian' look). Plus it will be a lot more refined and regardless of what many people fear, im sure it will do fine Off-Road too.<p>I think it will do pretty well out there. The only small fear i have about this car is the looks which may not be radical enough if the lehman chops / spy shots are anything to go by...

StevenZoz
11-20-2005, 03:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This new has been designed with the USA in mind.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>that doesn't mean they still can't mess it up

AM2K
11-20-2005, 03:56 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>that doesn't mean they still can't mess it up</TD></TR></TABLE><p>True, there is a chance that the Freelander might not suceed<p>But judging upon the success of Disco 3, RR Sport, and Range Rover, are you gonna bet against this company making another top vehicle? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

joemax
11-20-2005, 04:43 PM
Not a chance...<p>LR are on a roll mate !<p>Discovery 3 (its real name) has many many US touches (11 cup holders for flips sake for one) and it does very well indeed over here in the UK... and the US by all accounts.<p>I await with great interest Freelander's future under Ford.<p>-s

StevenZoz
11-20-2005, 06:54 PM
what in the world does someone need 11 cupholders for? our freelander has 10. two on the top of the dash... two on the doors... two on each glove comparment... there are 2 glove compartments so that totals 4... and then two in the rear armrest.

Superfresa
11-20-2005, 11:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>True, there is a chance that the Freelander might not suceed<p>But judging upon the success of Disco 3, RR Sport, and Range Rover, are you gonna bet against this company making another top vehicle? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Amen to that. I am here waiting and expecting the Freelander 2 to become a real land rover and one to make us the fans proud!

MitzXJ220
11-21-2005, 10:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what in the world does someone need 11 cupholders for? our freelander has 10. two on the top of the dash... two on the doors... two on each glove comparment... there are 2 glove compartments so that totals 4... and then two in the rear armrest.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL cup holders! After drinking that much fizzy pop you'll surely need to make frequent trips to the toilet!<p>What about the curry hook?<p>AutoCar said they omitted it from the Disco 3 because they didn't have enough money for the development of 'the son of curry hook'.

joemax
11-22-2005, 02:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what in the world does someone need 11 cupholders for?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No idea mate... we English were hoping you guys over in the States would know... maybe there's a Starbucks staffer on the board of directors at LR now ;-)

pcread
11-22-2005, 02:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what in the world does someone need 11 cupholders for? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>one for your beer and one for the whisky chaser?<p>Does it have a curry-hook? You know, for hanging the bag of take-away food from, so it doesn't spill on the way back from the restaurant.

Chicho
11-23-2005, 06:15 AM
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Superfresa
11-23-2005, 05:58 PM
Hmm... more taped up than before...<p>I just cant wait till launch!<p>I do see a fair bit of ground clearance though. Maybe it will be a true LR after all....

StevenZoz
11-23-2005, 07:19 PM
that's because they're old... those were post a few pages back; thanks anyway

pelyma
11-30-2005, 08:04 AM
Auto Express article with interior shots. A scan of it here <A HREF="http://www.rrsport.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=47&pos=5" TARGET="_blank">http://www.rrsport.co.uk/galle...pos=5</A>

joemax
11-30-2005, 01:19 PM
mmmm Terrain Response too !<p>Paul... is this the latest issue ?<p>-s<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by joemax at 8:39 PM 11/30/2005</i>

StevenZoz
11-30-2005, 01:52 PM
awesome find! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>the interior looks to be an improvement... atleast over the parts we can see. the navi looks similiar to the lexus rx330 with the air vents on either side of it.<p>i cant wait for more shots =]

Superfresa
11-30-2005, 05:01 PM
Aha! terrain response! I knew it! Well I certainly thought i'd have it...<p>Interiour looks very, very nice!

Hornbag
12-04-2005, 12:00 AM
I read something about this somewhere, and they say it wont have Terrain Response, they are just using the Discovery wheel...<p>But on the car, it reminds me of a Ford Escape from the back. Im not sure...

joemax
12-04-2005, 03:43 AM
There's no reason why Freelander cannot have a version of TR or a subset of the existing system.<p>I suspect that the Freelander won't have air suspension (hope I'm wrong) though.<p>TR could still be implemented for changing the TC, Engine Mapping (e.g Grass Gravel Snow, Sand), Centre Diff Setting (Open, Closed, Half Open etc), ABS etc. Electronics control the traction and engine systems so why not connect them all together like on Discovery 3 and Range Rover Sport ?<p>Would make a dramatic difference to off and on road performance if these systems were controllable by the user via TR.<p>Fingers crossed...<p>-s

pelyma
12-04-2005, 05:52 AM
Maybe a cut down version of TR as I can't imagine rock crawl. The questions I would ask, if TR is on it all other LR models with it have EAS particularly for M&R and RC. Does this mean a low box? Iguess we will find out in time?

pcread
12-04-2005, 07:44 AM
'Snow' would be an must. Look at western Europe, where we just had unexpected snowfalls in November and traffic came to a juddering halt. Even if you never take your SUV offroad, assistance in the snow/ice/slush is worth its weight in gold.<p>

Superfresa
12-05-2005, 06:25 PM
I was thinking why not a TR that, although there is no EAS (and assuming there's no EAS) can controll all things mentioned above + ride height via a pretensioner on the springs much like the new Toyota LC100 has, making for a few ride height positions even if not as spectacular as EAS. Of course EAS would be even better though....<p><br>Come to think about the low range, LR said the RRS wouldnt have Low range either, but then they developed the TR and the plans changed and RRS appeared with low range. Im assuming and thinking and hoping the same will be the case with the Freelander...<p>As for EAS, If the car is competing in premium segment, against X3 and other such pieces of junk, it might as well have Air suspension. Imagine how further ahead of the rest the Freelander would be...<p>To me it looks like the Freelander is going to be a Mini Range Rover Sport in all its Terrain responsed air sprung double range glory....

pelyma
12-06-2005, 02:57 AM
Superfresa, I think you're right. Top spec models have EAS and TR perhaps selling at 35K, particularly as RRS has a V8 diesel coming. I compare X3 and X5 to Freelander and RRS, although the size difference should be greater. The RRS is great off road even on bling bling 20" rims, I can't see LR missing the same trick twice. LR premium position is because of its rugged go anywhere image (certainly not its build quality/relability <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> ) Freelander2 therefore needs to be able to walk the walk.

pelyma
12-15-2005, 02:05 AM
Spoke to my dealer yesterday, 2 of the sales guys have sat in the new Freelander. They were a little shy about giving lots of details but they said the front is very similar to the existing car the sides are very D3 like and the rear is a lift up tail gate like RRS with the lift up glass. The spare wheel is underneath. They would only tell me the engines are volvo and wouldn't say what size, if it has EAS, TR or any other gems. They did say it looked great, but then they would <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

StevenZoz
12-15-2005, 10:42 AM
hmm where do u live pelyma?<p>maybe i should call my dealer too

AM2K
12-15-2005, 11:49 AM
that description Pelyma gives sounds just about right from what i hear as well. Don't expect a radical design change, just a modernising of the current design with a hint of RRS towards the rear maybe...<p>As for engines, there will not be a 2.7 V6 Diesel unfortunately, but there will be 2.2 Litre Diesel which has been developed alongside PSA. This will be available in 154bhp and 168bhp outputs. <p>And although this isnt confirmed for Freelander, keep your eye out for the possibility of a Volvo based 3.2L straight six engine (codenamed S16). This is meant to be an all alloy engine and pumping out 235BHP.. even if this doesn't appear in the Freelander (although i think it will), expect to see it in future Jags and Volvo's....<p>