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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 11:16 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1058325280" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....25280</A><p>a concept is set to debut at Det showcasing the styling of the car. Think of it as the XK's range stormer.<p>Rendering from Autobild:<p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/61186.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carrera4</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>did you have a look to the scans from Topgear?<br>From Supercars.net<br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/731614d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/731616d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/731617d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/731618d.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://speed.supercars.net/pit...d.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://img78.exs.cx/img78/4194/1014247oz.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img90.exs.cx/img90/201/jagxkside2fm.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img73.exs.cx/img73/6314/jagxkrear3ys.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>from autoweek.com<p><IMG SRC="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/9492-110723-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/9492-110723-2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: pistonheads<p>Continue the discussion here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
12-20-2004, 03:46 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7852&sid=178&n=158" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...n=158</A> for more camo shots and news.

Krypton
12-20-2004, 04:03 PM
those pictures still dont reveil too much, when is this supposed to be shown.<p>BTW- is there any way to tell if someone after you visited it has replied to the thread

pcread
12-20-2004, 04:12 PM
It's scheduled for launch at Frankfurt, Autumn 2005. Some talk of a concept at Detroit.

SV
12-20-2004, 04:15 PM
wow, i didn't know they had full prototypes out now, i really need to keep up more...

Pedigreepaul
12-21-2004, 12:53 PM
Here are two more pics..<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8746_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p>and <p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8747_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p>source TCC/ Brenda Priddy & Company

Ascariss
12-21-2004, 01:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's scheduled for launch at Frankfurt, Autumn 2005. Some talk of a concept at Detroit.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, there is a concept planned for Detroit.

geary
12-21-2004, 03:41 PM
Jaguar need less concpets and more building, they need to sell cars. That's why they're in trouble.

pcread
12-21-2004, 04:12 PM
Bringing stuff onto market too quickly will kill em quicker. X-Type ring any bells?

Walker
12-21-2004, 05:37 PM
Hopefully this new XK won't have problems in the marketplace like the X type did, it is a completely new and bespoke product after all. As long as the design is fresh and interesting it should do well. Even though you can't see much in the pictures the proportions look spot on.

XXXAngelXXX
12-22-2004, 01:30 AM
Hi again :)

The Water Is Poison
12-22-2004, 04:10 AM
That long hood has a sort of menacing look to it

Pedigreepaul
12-22-2004, 11:26 AM
Here another spyshot..<p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/61187.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A>

CARSRTHEWORLD
12-23-2004, 09:30 AM
all new spy shots!!!<p><IMG SRC="http://www.classicdriver.de/upload/images/reportagen/week_26_00/pic_pop08.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.classicdriver.de/upload/images/reportagen/week_26_00/pic_pop09.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.classicdriver.de/upload/images/reportagen/week_26_00/pic_pop01.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: <A HREF="http://www.classicdriver.de/uk/magazine/3200.asp?id=10496" TARGET="_blank">http://www.classicdriver.de/uk...10496</A><br>

Santeno
12-23-2004, 09:34 AM
I don't think those are spyshots. They are mothballed concepts and prototypes. It looks like they are in some type of ware house or museum.

CARSRTHEWORLD
12-23-2004, 09:35 AM
aw rats <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
12-23-2004, 10:17 AM
Yup, these vehicles featured are in a special SVO (special vehicles operations) building based at the Browns Lane site... certainly some veryy interesting cars.. such a shame about those last remaining XJ220's as well...<p>The XK8 in question though, according to the article thats a prototype with a fibreglass body. Still an interesting insight into the past, and shows jag certainly used to have some initiative.

pcread
12-24-2004, 04:34 AM
Used to have? I quite think building an all-new aluminium car using self rivetting rivets and adhesive, i.e. the new range of cars, starting from the XJ, shows ample initiative.

Pedigreepaul
12-24-2004, 04:37 AM
Here a close-up from the prototypes<p><IMG SRC="http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/images/xj41_02.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: <A HREF="http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?xj42devf.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/...f.htm</A>

Reppu
12-25-2004, 02:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JONNY</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What about the engines!?!?! jaguar needs a more powerful engine something around 500hp like a super XKR or something... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And what's so great about having 500hp instead of 400hp? What's so great about reaching 180mph instead of 165mph? I'm absolutely sure that 400hp is far enough for 99,999% of buyers. Power output increasings just to demonstrate something are stupid and useless, i hope Jaguar doesn't play that game.

iamalittlepepper
12-25-2004, 01:14 PM
Consumers like comparing numbers.. 500vs400 is an easy comparison for them.. it doesn't have to make sense.. just like people like to compare Mhz between different CPUs.. <p>Just the way that human nature are.. latch on the easiest comparable item.<p>It affects the product if it is in the same league as other 500bhp machine.. but if they make it cheaper....

pcread
12-25-2004, 01:29 PM
Well put. No-one ever went broke by appealing to the lowest common denominator. If it says 500 on the tin it must be better than a 400. Right?

Reppu
12-26-2004, 12:44 AM
Regarding the prototypes in the previous page: if any, these are prototypes of what was known as "F-type" in the last eighties. It was supposed to be the new sports car of the brand (that's the reason for so many XJ220 clues, it was on sale on that time). After, it was cancelled and the XK saw the light. Something similar to what happened with the Diablo replacement when VW arrived.<p>Just take a look to those tyres, they are from another age...

XXXAngelXXX
12-26-2004, 03:21 AM
i would prefere 500 hp <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
12-31-2004, 12:49 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/20040527075057JAGXK.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: wheels24<p> <IMG SRC="http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/134622.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: dinside

pcread
01-01-2005, 10:47 AM
Hmmm, that top one has been around for a while and was (I believe) touted as an F-Type. The second one is new to me, but looks to be a four headlight 2001 F-Type Concept chop.<p>personally, I think an F-Type nose on an R-Coupe body is more likely. <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12460" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12460</A>

AM2K
01-01-2005, 10:54 AM
the last one looks pretty interesting... thats the RD-6 lights chopped onto there i think... the body looks pretty cool though, and has pretty broad shoulder lines (a big Ian Callum design trait)...<p>Could be a good hint at what the shape will roughly be like..

Hornbag
01-01-2005, 06:56 PM
Not much to see is there? I do like the Aitobild picture tho. But i think Jag need to move on a bit in the design department, aka XJ?

JBlair
01-01-2005, 10:56 PM
The XJ will receive a facelift in the next couple years that will bring it in-line with the new-gen Ian Callum look. BTW, according to both the LA auto show website and the NAIAS website, the XK is scheduled to have its worldwide debut at both. (don't even ask). We'll see though, because it seems to me Jag has a surprise waiting in the wings.

pcread
01-02-2005, 07:26 AM
the only conceivable way 1 car can debut at 2 shows is if they don't launch the coupe and convertible at once. I was under the impression Frankfurt was going to get the XK and I can't find anything on the NAIAS site except a reference to PAG models unveiling.

AM2K
01-02-2005, 08:06 AM
It will be a concept of the XK being revealed in the next few weeks....<p>The car is no where near even being ready for final show....

pcread
01-07-2005, 06:16 AM
Looks like it's the Victory Edition at the shows, not any next gen concept. Pity.<br><A HREF="http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=2775290" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=2775290</A>

Ascariss
01-07-2005, 10:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like it's the Victory Edition at the shows, not any next gen concept. Pity.<br><A HREF="http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=2775290" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=2775290</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p><I>Making their world debut today at the 2005 Los Angeles Auto Show</I><p>That's at LA, the concept is at NAIAS.

AM2K
01-08-2005, 05:56 PM
Looks like we not got long to go if we see anything... i found this on the msn car site:<p><I>Jaguar<br>Unfortunately there is not a lot of advance information from Jaguar for the upcoming show in Detroit. All that we know is that there will be a world debut of . . . something. If we were to guess, it might be the next-generation XK coupe/convertible. But that would just be a guess, and Jaguar tells us that well have to wait and see. To find out if were right, come back to MSN Cars <B>following the Jaguar press conference on January 10, 2005</B>.</I><p>

JBlair
01-08-2005, 06:33 PM
Huh, they must have changed that because they weren't sure what it was a few days ago. I doubt anything will be out as far as pics before then, unless they end with the embargoes (practically all of them) that end tonight.

XXXAngelXXX
01-09-2005, 01:16 AM
nice signature JBlair <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

MegaD
01-10-2005, 02:36 AM
Any info from the Detroit show? Must be only hours away.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
01-10-2005, 10:26 AM
Unless the car isn't going to be at detriot and the concept will only have a web release via pictures. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-10-2005, 10:34 AM
Again, read further up; the pictures won't be released until after the car is shown. The press conference is in progress as we speak, pics should be forthcoming in 45 minutes.

Ascariss
01-10-2005, 10:39 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Again, read further up; the pictures won't be released until after the car is shown. The press conference is in progress as we speak, pics should be forthcoming in 45 minutes.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>NM I think I found it:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.jaguar.co.uk/uk/en/vehicles/concept_cars/overview_46461339-7B58-483C-B236-DE82CB7D66E3.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Jaguar is proud to announce the Advanced Lightweight Coupe show car. Created by Jaguars Advanced Design Team to showcase the Companys evolving design direction, the Advanced Lightweight Coupe heralds a new generation of stunning sports coupes and saloons from Jaguar - an exciting future of bold design, thrilling performance, sporting luxury and innovative technology.<p><A HREF="http://www.jaguar.co.uk/uk/en/vehicles/concept_cars/advanced_lightweight_coupe.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jaguar.co.uk/uk/en/...e.htm</A><p>Enjoy.

Omar
01-10-2005, 11:27 AM
oooooh!!! is this is the first car with Jaguar's new design direction?<p>the design looks refreshing. ian callum sure can draw! but it still reminds me more of an aston, the front lights especially.<p>at least jaguar are moving in the right direction <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
01-10-2005, 12:41 PM
Saw the car on the news and on the jag website.. and i must say im quite impressed. I can see where the Aston Martin influences are. especially the rear shoulder lines. But thats pretty much an Ian Callum design trait..<p>The rear has some big influence from the RD-6 concept, and im especially a fan of the front. Looks very nice!

bolita
01-10-2005, 01:06 PM
Sweet, sweet, sweet. Much better than I had expected. The front end looks very well. The interior is nice as well. I think that Jaguar will have a hit with this. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Can some one post the pix on the thread??

pcread
01-10-2005, 03:08 PM
<A HREF="http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/30/JAG_01jpg864285.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/30/JAG_02jpg95608.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/...8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/30/JAG_07jpg515118.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/...8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/30/JAG_03jpg800748.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://x9.keycast.com/med/usr/...8.jpg</A><p>Beautiful. My guess is the XK will be a slightly toned down version of this. Less the vents and square exhausts possibly. <br>Looks like the J-gate has been half-replaced by flappy paddle gearshifts. Wonder what Clarkson will say?<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by pcread at 4:11 PM 1/10/2005</i>

1966_GTO_
01-10-2005, 03:11 PM
Wow, I am impressed. I never thought Jaguar could design such a nice car. It looks very much like an Aston Martin, and that's a good thing.

Reppu
01-11-2005, 12:04 AM
I can't deny it's beautiful, but i was expecting a more distinctive design. Head and rear lights does not do it to me, they have something japan-esque to me.

JBlair
01-11-2005, 12:14 AM
Keep in mind we have yet to see a production spec vehicle.

XXXAngelXXX
01-11-2005, 12:54 AM
<B>looks like the Aston Martin DB9 - i might as well buy the Aston </B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

PhilH
01-11-2005, 03:33 AM
Not for the difference in price you wouldn't <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
01-11-2005, 03:46 AM
Damn that looks nice! I also never thought Jaguar could design something that modern and sporty! I like their cars and of course wouldnt mind having one, but they always seemed to conservative to me. Even the interior looks nice and innovative. It has a little too much aluminium/metal in it, but it looks good! Good job Jaguar design team! Lets hope that you guys use those creative ideas for your upcoming models!

PhilH
01-11-2005, 04:54 AM
Having worked in sales for Jaguar for 2 years now I certainly hope they continue with the design theme currently being employed.<p>Having said that, unfortunately according to an info pack we received this morning, this vehicle is <B>not</B> the new XK <p>Damn... we could of sold that car for fun.

pcread
01-11-2005, 05:36 AM
hmmm, not the next XK, but a sibling. Maybe not an identical twin, but I doubt it will be too far off. They might de-Astonize it a shade, remove the vents and make the interior more economical to build (please the beancounters).<br>

PhilH
01-11-2005, 05:45 AM
I don't disagree, i think we'll see a lot of the design features of this prototype on the launch model, hopefully those exhausts for one thing.<p>*edit: btw, if anyone wants some different pictures of the car (not launched on the website), let me know and i'll e-mail.*

XXXAngelXXX
01-11-2005, 06:07 AM
@PHIL : my current XKR convertible R package fully loaded was about 110.000 EUROS<br>The Aston Martin DB9 is about 144.000 EUROS<p>and i think that the new XK series will be a bit expensiver...<p>There wont be any great difference anymore <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

PhilH
01-11-2005, 06:11 AM
True, i didn't consider the european market actually, here in the UK a fully loaded XKR Conv is approx £75,000 max

JBlair
01-11-2005, 07:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilH</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Having worked in sales for Jaguar for 2 years now I certainly hope they continue with the design theme currently being employed.<p>Having said that, unfortunately according to an info pack we received this morning, this vehicle is <B>not</B> the new XK <br>Damn... we could of sold that car for fun.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Uhm, unfortunately I am going to have to disagree, despite what you have been told. The only reason this was shown was to gauge public reaction to a concept version of the XK design, and to give the public a sneak peak of the the next XK. Jaguar is in too dire of a finanical strait for it to be wasting money on another useless concept, and this car fits the spy pictures of the next XK almost identically. I don't know what you've been told, but the Light Weight Coupe previews the XK.

PhilH
01-11-2005, 08:02 AM
I'd disagree with your disagreement <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> The new XK will certainly bare similarities to the concept vehicle (just as the new S-TYPE bares similarities to the RD-6), and yes, the concept is there to guage reaction to this style of Jaguar. At the end of the day, you can't say either way until the X150 is released. I'm just speaking based on my experiance with Jaguar.<p>Quoted from Q1.32 of the Dealer Principles Q&A on the Concept car.<p>Q: This is your fourth motor show concept car in three years and the previous three have gone nowhere. Shouldn't Jaguar be concentrating on real cars rather than wasting time - not to mention money that you don't have - on these flights of fancy?<p>A: R-Coupe and RD-6 were true concept cars in as much as they portrayed ideas from Jaguar's advanced design team and possible directions for the future. Many of these themes have evolved and can be seen in some form in the Advanced Lightweight Coupe. Lineage is very strong in Jaguar design, whether on concept cars or production cars. Regarding the Concept Eight we have been evaluating ways of bringing something like this to the market. When we have concluded that study we'll say more about it.<p><br>Interesting quote really, particularly as it makes reference to potentially building something similiar to the concept eight (cool!)<p>There is an awful lot of speculation, and a lot of having to read between the lines of these various press releases etc. We really will only know what it looks like when either a proper pic is leaked OR it is launched.

AM2K
01-11-2005, 10:03 AM
General shape and stuff will probably stay the same for the production X150.. its just the wacky detailing that you have to deduct from this. Even the shape of the lights is pretty similar to what we will see. The lower front bumper will probably change though, which is a shame...<p>I'd probably put this concept at being 80% close to the production version...

XXXAngelXXX
01-12-2005, 01:58 AM
&lt;------ de la agrees with AM2K

pcread
01-12-2005, 06:23 AM
Earth to Pittsburgh. Come in.<p>F1 team was sold, not killed. I don't agree with it either, but hey, it's a cashflow thing.<br>Engine are poor are they? Which engine are you mean? The award winning new V6 biturbo diesel or the excellent V8 that Land Rover have replaced the old BMW unit with in the new Range?<br>Aston Martin designs? Look carefully friend. That's Jaguar DNA in those cars. The XK8 and DB7 are both based on the shelved F-Type concept of the 90's. Ian Callum's penmanship. New Astons and this concept are from that common root.<br>Finance fall down? OK. But Ford has given them some more to play with.<br>No SUV? And... your point is? That's what Land Rover is for. And sales are up up up (with Jaguar engines in them)<br>X-Type sales aren't enough. True.<br>Even the Germans recognize that the S-Type is a very very good car (read autobild) expecially the new diesel.<br>Ford in a bad way? So's GM for that matter. That means nothing.<br>No sport team (except the dominating Transam racing team, does that count?)<br>Brand image falling down? temporarily maybe. That's what this new concept is for.<br>Prices will graw up if the dollar goes dewn. Bet yue nevre knaw.<br>Competitors (except maybe Audi) aren't going down the aluminium route. 40% lighter, 60% stiffer. Better performance, fuel economy, tax bracket etc.<p>Reports of Jaguar's demise are somewhat premature.<p>I thank you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/2cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Pittsburgh Steelers
01-12-2005, 06:59 AM
Pittsburgh to Earth : AWAKE UP !!!!!!!!!<p>F1 team was sold because they were unable to win or to finish a GP !<p>V6 Diesel engines thanks to Peugeot !<br>V8 is not better than others germans products !<p>Jaguar's DNA ? so you say that Jaguar is dead and directors have to take DNA for a second life ??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Aston Martin &gt; Jaguar, so why do they launch similar products with nearly same prices ??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This new "concept car" is in reality the production car with some show details. Not enough money to make a real concept car ? <p>Jaguar needs a real SUV, not a Range Rover Sport !!!! <p>S-type is good, but not enough, many cars will do better even french car makers.<p>Transam? dot know i am <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0"> !<p><br>Jaguar =====&gt; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>

Santeno
01-12-2005, 11:11 AM
Alright ease up you two.

AM2K
01-12-2005, 11:29 AM
lol, and i thought i got a bit passionate about jag sometimes! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Regardless of what is said about the current state of jag.. its clear to be seen that there are just as many negatives as there are positives. Its pretty obvious though that this car is the make or break vehicle for Jag... they need to get this one right otherwise they certainly will be in serious trouble. <p>I see this car being a good indicator as the type of styling, performance, and luxury that Jag will be aiming for with future vehicles. If they get this, along with the next gen S and X Types on the right track, then i can see them having a promising line-up just like Land Rover and Aston Martin...

bolita
01-12-2005, 11:49 AM
Do you really think its a make or break product? I dont know. From a perception and image point of view, yes I think that it should mark the turn around of the current woes the company is facing but from a financial point of view I doubt that the volume of the XK is so crucial to Jaguar at this point... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> Am I totally off?

JBlair
01-12-2005, 11:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Pittsburgh Steelers</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pittsburgh to Earth : AWAKE UP !!!!!!!!!<p>F1 team was sold because they were unable to win or to finish a GP !<p>V6 Diesel engines thanks to Peugeot !<br>V8 is not better than others germans products !<p>Jaguar's DNA ? so you say that Jaguar is dead and directors have to take DNA for a second life ??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Aston Martin &gt; Jaguar, so why do they launch similar products with nearly same prices ??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This new "concept car" is in reality the production car with some show details. Not enough money to make a real concept car ? <p>Jaguar needs a real SUV, not a Range Rover Sport !!!! <p>S-type is good, but not enough, many cars will do better even french car makers.<p>Transam? dot know i am <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/aliensmiley.gif" BORDER="0"> !<p><br>Jaguar =====&gt; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Could you speak clear and concise english instead of that broken stuff ^^^<p>Lets go over this again:<p>-F1 team was sold because they were doing poorly, however the fact that F1 teams tend to be black holes for corporate cash surely had something to do with it as well.<br>-The Diesel V6 was a joint collaboration between Ford and Peugeot, as well as the fact that the Jaguar version of this engine is tuned very differently than any other version.<br>-The V8 is a World Class engine that compares to almost all of its rivals for NVH, smoothness, and technology. It is a little down on power compared with its rivals, but the aluminum chassis more than makes up for that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>-This new concept owes absolutely nothing to any current AM. They happen to look similar because the man behind the designs is the same. The Jag uses more of its past designs as inspiration, instead of AM as is claimed.<br>-Jag and Aston are two very different companies, the new XK will actually cost less than the new Baby Aston, and I don't see any Four door sedans in Aston's stable, do you?<br>-As has been said many, many times, this is a concept car meant to show the design direction of the new XK. Despite my apprehensions, I do now believe that this isn't the final form that the new XK will take. It is a hint at the future, and not some wasteful, useless concept that would serve no purpose except to waste money that could be used on vehicle development.<br>-Jag will never, ever get an SUV along the lines of the Range Rover or RR Sport. It is outside of the brand's DNA, and most people would have a hard time accepting it. More likely to be produced is a Crossover vehicle based on the next-generation S-type (which will reportedly use all-aluminum construction), that will go head to head with other car-based SUVs. Its competition would include the X5, among others.<br>-The S-type is as good as its competition at this moment. Its sales have increased after the latest round of improvements, and it has been generally preferred by Journalists because it is a car that relies on traditional mechanicals and electronics instead of outrageous electronics. It drives as well as, if not better than, any of its competition, and French makers couldn't catch up with it if they tried.<p><br>There are obviously more than a few misconceptions you have about Jaguar, like the fact that they are dying. They have hit a few roadbumps this past year, but there is nothing better for a car company than for it to get a rude awakening because it forces them to produce better products. Trust me Pittsburgh, Jaguar will be around for much, much longer. Just wait until the new generation designs come out, then you'll see what I mean.

FRENCHY
01-12-2005, 12:22 PM
Let's face it,whatever any of us think about Jaguar's future, these pictures are a deception... this new xk won't bring ANYTHING as far as design is concerned, and we had not expected this after very clever concept cars indeed ... <br>Accept it or not, Jaguar will survive and is a legendary brand.<br>come on try harder, Ford !

AM2K
01-12-2005, 01:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bolita</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you really think its a make or break product? I dont know. From a perception and image point of view, yes I think that it should mark the turn around of the current woes the company is facing but from a financial point of view I doubt that the volume of the XK is so crucial to Jaguar at this point... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> Am I totally off?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I didnt make myself clear before, my bad! I wasnt talking about it from a financial point of view. Its a make or break product in the sense of how its recieved by the public and media...<p>Its not secret that Jaguar have been a bit dissapointing lately in terms of expected sales and credibility. <p>Firstly, the X-Type didnt achieve the sales intended. Even though it is a nice car, the "mondeo platform" talk has never left it. The car suffered from having a diesel too late, which was also slated for being a bit too weak. Add to that that the car didnt really help bring in the mass younger audience, then you see why even the top exec's admit they might have got it wrong.<p>The XJ came out to some praise.. although some inside and outside of jag claim its not very daring and still the "old man" type. Add to that the lack of diesel, and you can see where perhaps things could have been done better.<p>The key with this XK is to get the whole package right and make sure that it is accepted in terms of quality, design, innovation, technology and so on. If Jag can get this car to be excellent from the start, then they know that they can go on with this new era of design and innovation with their future cars. And hopefully the "bread and butter models" (so to speak) will help them financially!

Pittsburgh Steelers
01-12-2005, 02:01 PM
You can dream of Jaguar's good future...but in my point of vue, Jaguar is in danger.<br>If they don't change their politic, they will be dead!<br>This new concept car, you say that it marks a second life, but it's just an Aston Martin fake like a very bad photoshoped car!<p>Automotive market is cruel, there is to much luxury brand for it, so some will probably die, and I THINK THAT JAGUAR IS ONE OF THEM.<p>Maybe i am wrong, but lot of indicators are going to my way.<br>So, wait and dream...<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-12-2005, 02:23 PM
Again, Please, PLEASE speak in complete sentences; right now it is hard to understand you. Anyways, it looks as if I was right; the LWC concept is the next XK with a few concept items added. Here's proof:<p> <A HREF="http://www.detnews.com/2005/insiders/0501/12/C01-57808.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.detnews.com/2005/in...8.htm</A> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FRENCHY</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Let's face it,whatever any of us think about Jaguar's future, these pictures are a deception... this new xk won't bring ANYTHING as far as design is concerned, and we had not expected this after very clever concept cars indeed ... <br>Accept it or not, Jaguar will survive and is a legendary brand.<br>come on try harder, Ford !</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Uhm, this is the next XK and these pictures are not a deception. To be honest, when compared with its competitors, this design could more than hold it's own.

Roadster44
01-12-2005, 03:11 PM
So much enthusiasm Pittsburgh I like it. Even though your grammar needs to improve. Jaguar will be fine. I think next X-Type, XK and S-Type will be terrific products. Even current S-Type after many little fixes is now a very very good vehicle. Does Jaguar need an SUV? Yes, but it would have to be a very very sexy looking model with good sound insulation and superior dynamics. XJ at the moment is also worth the money, but styling must be more emotional.<p>Anyways point is this, Hopefully Ford has learned their lesson. Don't save money on your luxury brand, but keep on pumping it right back into the company and product development. As for F1, they shamed themselves by cancelling the program. In few years F1 will be cheaper to participate in, still attract wide array of audience and racing will improve. It was a good fit for Jaguar. Okay I understand if they watned to quit, but at least leave on good terms. They did not. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Roadster44 at 2:17 PM 1/12/2005</i>

pcread
01-12-2005, 03:28 PM
On the one had, that is just Daniel Howes' opinion, however respected a journalist he is. Unless he has inside information. Personally I think the LWC looks too expensive to be the XK as is. It will be very very like it though. Maybe honed by feedback they're getting as we speak.<p>This isn't quite the make or break. The next S-Type has that burden on its shoulders. The XK hasn't the volume or markup to be critical. It is important, as it show the way forward, both in style and technology, but the S is the moneymaker. <p>And finally, on the subject of the new diesel. PSA's expertise was invaluable on making this fine engine, but Jaguar engineers had the lead on its development. Now BMW are heading across to France to do a joint petrol engine with PSA as well.

Roadster44
01-12-2005, 03:50 PM
Concept coupe is the preview of XK, but I doubt the headlights and taillights will look like that. A bit too Mazda-ish to me. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:59 AM 1/13/2005</i>

Charger
01-12-2005, 03:54 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/03-large/Jaguar-XK-001.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/03-large/Jaguar-XK-002.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/03-large/Jaguar-XK-003.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/03-large/Jaguar-XK-004.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: 4car<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spy Shot: Jaguar ALC<br>Just as Jaguar unveiled its Advanced Lightweight Coupe concept in Detroit, our spy photographers caught the real thing out testing. On the road, it looks more like an XK replacement than the show car, with a similar profile and stance in that context. It's a relatively conservative but good-looking 2+2, built on a version of the lightweight aluminium architecture used for the current XJ saloon. Designed under the leadership of Ian Callum, the taut, simply-styled body has little adornment and no superfluous detailing; the disguises hide gill-like side air vents and the angular headlights seen on the ALC show car. Under that bonnet is a V8 said to be good for 180 mph and 0-60 in less than five seconds, pitching the car nearer to the likes of the Porsche 911 and upcoming Aston V8 Vantage than the current XK.</TD></TR></TABLE>

AM2K
01-12-2005, 03:54 PM
I get the feeling that the rear lights will probably be similar in dimensions to the concept, but not so full on and stylish. Same with the front lights, something a bit less daring but with those dimensions...<p>I hope the RD-6 style rear boot goes into production as well.. hopefully jag dont tame this cat too much.

knihc2008
01-12-2005, 04:17 PM
anyone notice the tamed down j-gate? it's about time, i say. the interior looks quite cheap, i must say, for a jaguar, much less a jaguar concept car.<p>the car looks nice, but the headlamps have to go.

Banana
01-13-2005, 12:47 AM
Good morning !<p>I believe, that the concept car is generally the new XK but with showcar details.<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:57 AM 1/13/2005</i>

XXXAngelXXX
01-13-2005, 04:11 AM
@ Pittsburgh Steelers:<p>Listen i live in the hometown of Porsche and Mercedes - my best friend is the managing director of the Porsche factory owned local dealer - and i would never buy a Porsche or a Mercedes - i own 2 Xks.<p>Jaguars V8 engine is according to a Mercedes engineer (they test cars from the competors) one of the best V8 engines on the market...<p>So give me a break with u George Bush style *Jaguar and Bin Laden are dead (or will be soon)* <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Top Secret
01-13-2005, 04:31 AM
I'm curious mate, but what made you choose an XK over a technically and dynamically superior car such as a CL or 6 Series or even a 911? I mean, I would've thought no one would've said no to a Porsche only to go to a Jaguar?!

Top Secret
01-13-2005, 04:41 AM
Didn't Rover become a partner of MG, which is also an English car maker?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And then you have Noble - which make damn fast cars; and holy crap! They're English as well!

Banana
01-13-2005, 05:36 AM
MG Rover is still english ???<br>not for long time....<p>Chinese car maker (unknown) will buy them.<p><br>Noble is too little, good car but too little.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
01-13-2005, 08:02 AM
Banana while I agree that Jaguar is in trouble, it is not in danger. Reserve your judgment until we'll see new models and their new marketing strategy. Other thing that needs to be done, but only if their Euro plants are filled to capacity; is to have a plant in US. I think that would offset the unfavorable to Jaguar currency exchance rates. <p>On a side note, if you want to be heard and respected on here then stop being so cocky. It is very obnoxious. We have witty members on here like you and we respect them because they do bring certain value to topics. Same cannot be said about you. You say "hello I've already said that concept is a preview of next XK" Well good morning right back at you slick, since this has been known by every member on here. Point is this...tone it down. Be polite.

XXXAngelXXX
01-13-2005, 09:12 AM
<B>Top Secret wrote:<br>I'm curious mate, but what made you choose an XK over a technically and dynamically superior car such as a CL or 6 Series or even a 911? I mean, I would've thought no one would've said no to a Porsche only to go to a Jaguar?!</B><p>Way to many Mercedes or Porsche employees drive these cars here...<p>Its very common....<p>And i personally think if u spend over 100 k Euros for a car u dont want to see it at every corner..<br> <p>PS: @Banana - If you prefer a Jaguar than a Porsche, you might be English, , or !!!<p>just one of those rare germans with a good taste <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

pcread
01-13-2005, 09:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>XXXAngelXXX</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>just one of those rare germans with a good taste <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Laguna
01-13-2005, 11:27 AM
Theres more spy shots on channel4.com. There brand spanking new so check them out

bolita
01-13-2005, 01:27 PM
Can you post the links?

Ascariss
01-13-2005, 03:33 PM
<A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/J/jaguar/alc.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/g....html</A><p>not sure if they are new though.

XXXAngelXXX
01-13-2005, 11:53 PM
thy dont look new.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/sponge.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2
01-14-2005, 07:17 AM
All the spy photos point to the Jaguar advanced lightweight coupe.<br><IMG SRC="http://img51.exs.cx/img51/126/jag2orig0nm.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://img51.exs.cx/img51/3355/jaguarxk0025ki.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Is it safe to say that the concept is a thinly disguised 2006 Jaguar XK8?

Laguna
01-14-2005, 07:46 AM
They are new. I can post a link but it is not working

Pedigreepaul
01-14-2005, 09:02 AM
Yes, It's safe.. it's a public secret..

Roadster44
01-14-2005, 09:02 AM
If the headlights and taillights will be on production version then a lot of people won't be very happy with this car.

RS
01-14-2005, 10:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the headlights and taillights will be on production version then a lot of people won't be very happy with this car. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>On Jaguar's website, there is a flower that is supposed to inspire "seduction". The headlights and taillights have that same shame. <br>Anybody see anything seductive about those headlights?

Santeno
01-14-2005, 11:34 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All the spy photos point to the Jaguar advanced lightweight coupe. Is it safe to say that the concept is a thinly disguised 2006 Jaguar XK8?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>True, but judging from the spypics, thankfully the font bumper cap won't be so heavy looking and gimmicky.<p>As for the lights, I don't know if seductive is the word, but they are definitely distinctive, and the avoid the generic "amoeba" shape of most modern lights, while retaining a clear link to previous designs used by Jaguar.

Laguna
01-14-2005, 01:09 PM
Its made out of animinum and its a least less than 1400 kg

bolita
01-14-2005, 02:11 PM
I agree that probably the bumpers will vary in the final XK but the rest will probably stay.<p>I would be happy with it like that!

Laguna
01-14-2005, 02:47 PM
i was very shocked when I first saw the XK Series

Pedigreepaul
01-14-2005, 03:06 PM
Well, Laguna, you're not the only one.. The only thing you should do, is look at it again.. I did and the car came to my mind and I'm starting to like it..:D

Laguna
01-14-2005, 03:13 PM
I will keep that in mind

no_o_k
01-15-2005, 01:14 AM
The next XK-series, most likely the production version of the Advanced Lightweight Coupe, beings the new chapter of Jaguar. Jaguar should no longer consider itself as an old money brand, but a credible alternative brand to the typical German and Japanese brands. (In other words, Jaguar is in the same position as the recently reinvented Cadillac.)<p>The ALC has a very beautiful proportion; it has very short wheel overhangs, a very long hood, and a low roof  key characteristics of a sports car. In comparison, the BMW 6-series, with its longer overhangs, longer trunk, and shorter hood, looks like a sedan minus two doors. The ALCs hood seems higher than the out-going XK, and it is most likely because of the new European pedestrian crash safety requirements. The overall shape and proportion is very natural, purposeful, and athletic. In comparison, the Mercedes SL looks heavy and clumsy because it is wider but shorter (visually) than the Jaguar. The Chrysler Firepower Concept, despite having many details similar to the Aston Martin, looks wrong to me because of its exaggeratingly long hood and short rear. The Porsche 911's stubby proportion, on the other hand, lacks the sense of elegance and glamour that the Jaguar possesses. The controversy, I suspect, lies in the details such as the head and tail lights and the chrome side vents. Recent trend on the internet is to pick out details of a new car that are not even remotely similar to those of another car (usually of lesser status), and then to demean and call the new car a copy. You can say that the rear lights look like those from a Mazda RX-8 or a Mercedes SLR, or the headlight looks like those from a Chevy Cavalier, or the oval grill looks like that of a Buick. All these are non-sense; there is only a limited number of geometrical shapes out there, and too much creativity results in visual disasters like the Pontiac Aztek, Subaru B9x, and the entire BMW line. It is not the individual parts that determine the success of the design, but the combination of the all parts.<p>The proportion of the ALC does indeed resemble the DB9, just as the proportion of the XK resembles that of the DB7. Perhaps, from what I said above, there is only one perfect proportion for a sporty yet glamourous sports car. However, if you compare the Jaguar and the Aston, you can see that the Jaguar is softer and has more fineness while the Aston Martin looks more muscular, and these has always been the characteristics that differs the designs of the two marques.<p>Ian Callum is the master of design, and the new XK is the key to the future of Jaguar; he and the engineering team will not make a mistake; they cant afford to. When the current XK came out, it outsold its closest rival -- the Mercedes SL. In fact, Jaguar is somewhat of an more affortable exotic; its name is legendary. I can see someone would pick the Jaguar ALC over a Ferrari 612 because he/she prefer its look more. (I know I would.) With this new XK, history will probably repeat itself.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by no_o_k at 8:29 AM 1/15/2005</i>

JBlair
01-15-2005, 01:51 AM
Very well said No_o_k. I agree completely.

Laguna
01-15-2005, 04:18 AM
yeah very well said No_o_k <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

KaRaceR
01-16-2005, 10:24 AM
if the final car looks like the top car then it could one of jag's best cars

DoMiNo
01-16-2005, 04:21 PM
Dead on. I couldn't agree more. I love the proportions of the ALC and I worship Callum. This car will be beautiful, especially with a slimmer front end. <p>Jaguar can only rely on tradition for so long. In the case of the headlights, I for one am glad they didn't go the direction of the R-D6 or the R-Coupe... they need to take their style <I>forward</I>...<p>But Jaguar, please, what's with the baby blue? A metallic BRG would have looked hot. Or even red.

Laguna
01-17-2005, 07:59 AM
BREAKING NEWS! Jaguar has just lost 601m

bolita
01-17-2005, 08:06 AM
US, pounds or Euros??

hollc004
01-17-2005, 10:02 AM
I think when Jag release this car that theryre gona make a few bob. It looks must simpler that the mk1 and look cleaner and more aerodynamic<br>

DoMiNo
01-17-2005, 12:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The currency symbol was missing, hence the question.<p>and that was 601m over 2003. 2004 won't be that bad.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Fact remains, however, that Jaguar needs a moneymaker, and fast! Any news on the next X-type?

pcread
01-17-2005, 01:36 PM
S-Type's the moneymaker. The next X might well be very different, but it'll be a couple of years before we see that. The aluminium S will probably launch late 2006 or 2007. According to Autobild, there'll be a nice model-matrix including wagon and crossover.

bolita
01-17-2005, 01:36 PM
If you would have put the pound sign I wouldn't have asked! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I thought they were projecting to loose close to 1 billion pounds so 601m would be less damaging...<p>I dont' think that a new X type would be a money maker. The money maker volume wise has to be the S type IMO

DoMiNo
01-17-2005, 04:34 PM
Yea, it's about time for the S. I saw some of the interpretations on how that's going to look... if they're anywhere near accurate then I'm sure it's going to be a winner.

XXXAngelXXX
01-20-2005, 01:19 AM
<B>Known currently as the Advanced Lightweight Coup (ALC), there's more than a hint of Aston Martin about the styling (see panel opposite). Insiders have told Auto Express that the production car will be virtually unchanged from what's seen here, particularly in the cabin and around the front grille.<p>Design chief Ian Callum revealed the shape of the nose was "of prime im-portance as an indicator for the look of future Jaguars". That means the new coup will get all the show car's distinctive features, including the angular beam projector headlamps, 21-inch alloy wheels, tapered front and rear plus unusual twin exhaust pipes.<p>The aluminium gills on both front wings will help engine cooling and also improve the aerodynamic flow to the back of the car. Unlike the current XK, the new model will have a hatchback-style tailgate to boost practicality. <p>source: autoexpress<br></B><p><br>cheers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

PhilH
01-21-2005, 10:35 AM
Just taken another few orders for this car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>No discount WOOHOO!!!!

pcread
01-21-2005, 10:48 AM
Excellent. Wilmslow eh? Any ManU footballers?

PhilH
01-21-2005, 11:00 AM
There's a few I think, I once test drove Roy Keane in an XJ but that's about it. Nothing terribly exciting.

XXXAngelXXX
01-22-2005, 12:33 AM
Damnit PhilH why cant U be my local Jaguar dealer - the dealer here in Stuttgart/Germany is a total moron ... i buy my cars like 400 km away from here to get a decent service .. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

Laguna
01-22-2005, 03:04 AM
Article from Autocar:<br>Jaguar has revealed the muscular shape of its new XK8 sports car, with this handsome new concept at the Detroit motor show. Called the Advanced Lightweight Coupe (ALC), the concept is about 80 per cent representative of the new XK, on sale in January 2006, and differs only slightly in some dimensions and design detail <p>When you see the new XK, you will see a clear link between the two said senior design manager Giles Taylor, responsible for both this concept and the production XK.<p>The new XK will have classic coupe proportions, with a long bonnet and swept-back windscreen ahead of a teardrop-shaped cabin, and featuring a sharply-raked rear three-quarter. Inside is an all-new fascia.<p>Although this concept was an engineering mock-up, the production car is known to feature a version of the XJs riveted alloy body and its wishbone front and multi-link rear suspension. In the metal, the concept appears significantly different to todays XK, yet still sensibly restrained for a market that generally has conservative tastes. Next to a BMW M6, Mercedes SL or Porsche 911, the XK will look elegant and mature, albeit much tougher than todays model.<p>This is Jaguar design moving on as it should do said Ian Callum, Jaguars chief of design. The new look is about power and elegance using clear, pure surfaces. Look at all our great cars in the past and they were muscular and taut, as well as subtle and curvaceous.<p>A few millimetres longer than todays 4.76m XK8, the D C concept and new XK share a much longer (by 162mm) 2750m wheelbase. This pushes the wheels to each corner; with a wider stance (1900mm compared to 1830mm) but similar height (1300mm) this gives a more squat appearance.<p>With the new styling, the extra body creases and more pronounced haunch over the rear axle, the ALC shows how the new XK8 will be more aggressive and sportier than todays car. This style will transfer to the next-generation of Jags, starting with the new S-type in 2007, and all designed by Ian Callum.<p>Perhaps the most significant feature of the ALC concept is its ground-hugging stance and tight clearances between the tyres and wheelarches, a styling characteristic that has escaped previous Jag models. However, designers and engineers are still battling to keep this look for production.<p>For example, the front bumper has a tight, nine-degree ramp angle. Thats comparable with the German competition, whose cars sit lower than Jaguars. In the past this visual element has been compromised in Jaguar cars to avoid scraping the bumper over speed bumps and car park ramps.<p>Were working as best we can to keep the wheels and tyres tight in the arches said Phil Hodgkinson, Jaguars product engineering boss.<br>Surprisingly, the classically-proportioned coupe drew some criticism from rival designers as too conservative and derivative of Aston Martins latest offerings. Were flattered to be likened to Aston Martin, said Jaguar chairman Joe Greenwell.This concept is totally consistent with Jaguar GT sportscar designs down the decades. But we need to move on, having been a bit too conservative in the past.<p>The most radical of the design features are the headlights, which wrap around the nose with a dramatic sweep and finish in a sharp corner in front of the wheelarch. They are very modern and a long way from Jaguars traditional twin round headlamps. They also become the focus for prominent power bulges along the edge of the bonnet. The higher-than-usual front grille has been forced on Jaguar by forthcoming pedestrian impact legislation, but it retains the hallmark E-type oval opening.<p>The production XK will mark a return to a hatchback boot, as featured on the ALC. Also to feature is the vent on the front wing. Expect it to be body-coloured on the XK8 and metal-look on the XKR.<p>The interior of the XK is another major step forward and a welcome departure from the flat plank-style wood fascia and shield-shaped centre console of todays cars, which is dating fast. Although traditionalists may be expected to be shocked by the new instrument panel, Jaguar says focus groups with existing customers have proved the opposite. It will also start the phasing-out of Jaguars J-gate gearchange in favour of a more conventional auto gate.<p>Otherwise, the interior of the new XK will reflect the greater roominess of the concept, particularly for rear headroom. Legroom and kneeroom in the front will also be increased.<p>Engines will reflect Jaguars current powertrain choice and feature two V8s a naturally-aspirated 4.2-litre with 295bhp and a supercharged 4.2 making 392bhp. There wont be a V6, but Jaguar boss Greenwell hinted at a high performance XKR-R a couple of years after launch.<p>Both V8s will be mated to six-speed ZF autos, controlled from the new gearlever or behind-the-wheel paddles, like the Aston DB9.<br>Source: Autocar <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Laguna at 2:10 AM 1/22/2005</i>

PhilH
01-23-2005, 05:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>XXXAngelXXX</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damnit PhilH why cant U be my local Jaguar dealer - the dealer here in Stuttgart/Germany is a total moron ... i buy my cars like 400 km away from here to get a decent service .. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'd be more than willing to export a new XK to you <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I think our collection and delivery drivers would have something to say about having to get your car when it's due for a service though :P

XXXAngelXXX
01-24-2005, 01:01 AM
hmm i would call Germany a *service desert* ...

PhilH
01-24-2005, 07:00 AM
Unfortunately the UK has its fair share of "service deserts" aswell mate :(. Luckily, not all dealers are like that. :)

pcread
01-24-2005, 07:05 AM
On the basis of JD Powers and Top Gear surveys, Jaguar dealerships are well-liked by their customers. You guys must be doing something right, Phil.

PhilH
01-24-2005, 07:11 AM
From a personal point of view I love working within the Jaguar maque, our company in particular is a family run concern and really takes on board the core marque values that Jaguar have, we'd like to think customers appreciate this. <p>The problem any dealer has is not the cars they're selling, it's the clients perception of the people selling them.

pcread
01-24-2005, 07:24 AM
The "would you buy a used car from this man?" problem.

PhilH
01-24-2005, 07:27 AM
Yup, the Swiss Tony effect. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

XXXAngelXXX
01-25-2005, 01:08 AM
umm i would buy one from PhilH as long as the car aint a RHD one :)

PhilH
01-25-2005, 01:20 AM
No worries, we've supplied LHD vehicles (eu spec) before. If you are interested at some stage just give me the nod <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

UK
01-27-2005, 04:18 PM
Unfortunately, in the UK - nightmare dealers are the norm rather than the norm, so if you find a good one, cherish it. PhilH seems to be exceptional, so take advantage!<p>With regards to Jaguar - I have seen the prototype out testing on the roads and it has great presence. I would expect that now the Concept Car has been released, less disguised XK's will pound the roads, as people will expect it to be based on the Concept Car, so less of a surprise.<p>Just one thing, I wouldn't expect the next car to be necessarily called XK!!!!!!

AM2K
01-27-2005, 04:31 PM
An interesting theory that it might not be named XK.. It would mark a bold new era for Jag starting with this all new car..<p>although i cant really see what other designation this car could take...

pcread
01-27-2005, 04:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>UK</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Just one thing, I wouldn't expect the next car to be necessarily called XK!!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Hmmm, you heard something? <br>The XK has the best customer loyalty of any sportscar in the US, according to surveys, so renaming it might confuse some of our 'cousins'.

UK
01-27-2005, 04:49 PM
Apart from the XJ - there aren't many Jaguar's that have kept the same name, have there, in their various incarnations?

AM2K
01-27-2005, 04:53 PM
yeh but thats because its been a whole new range in the previous generation... which kept in line with the current naming tradition...

UK
01-27-2005, 04:54 PM
All I will say is - watch this space .........<br>

AM2K
01-27-2005, 04:56 PM
Shame its such a long wait though for the final car!!<p>It was a much needed boost to show the XK in concept form like this, but with a 06 release from what i gather, its gonna be an impatient wait!

pcread
01-27-2005, 05:05 PM
Well it started out with SS (dropped after the war), then the 1.5, 2.5 and 3.5. Then the XKs, In '49 the Mark V came along, the start of the MKs. Then the XK120C was called the C-Type. To further confuse things the 420 came along. Finally Jaguar rationalised things with just 2 cars, the E-Type and the XJ. Then the E-Type was replaced by th XJ-S.<p>For years there was only XJ and XJ-S. Oh, and Daimlers, but I don't count them.<p>Maybe it is time for a rationalisation of the naming comvention, but that would be somehow unJaguar. <p>Maybe they will call it a -Type, to follow in the E's tracks. Is there finally going to be an F-Type? What about that small roadster?

UK
01-27-2005, 05:06 PM
From what I hear - it won't be too long.<p>Jaguar traditionally have a long gestation period - look at the XJ. I would expect the car to be announced at the Frankfurt Motor Show.

AM2K
01-27-2005, 05:07 PM
2nd half 2005 would be logical guess for unveiling the car.. although release is definately not gonna happen till 2006

pcread
01-27-2005, 05:08 PM
13th September,<br><A HREF="http://www.iaa.de/iaa-interim/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.iaa.de/iaa-interim/index.html</A>

UK
01-27-2005, 05:09 PM
Yep

JBlair
01-27-2005, 06:05 PM
Last I heard the XK was being unveiled in Geneva in March.

PhilH
01-28-2005, 05:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there finally going to be an F-Type? What about that small roadster?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>*wishes*<p>We have discussed this many a time in our Monday morning sales meetings. We'd love to see an F-TYPE style car, something really pushing the boundaries of technology and affordability forward (just as the E-TYPE did). If it was priced between the 30-40k mark and with a limited supply it would be brilliant for Jaguar as a company. Profit margins intact, residual values high, massive desirability! A true affordable sportscar for all.<p>Exactly what the E-TYPE was famous for!<p>*continues wishing*

AM2K
01-28-2005, 06:38 AM
A lot of the Jag bosses have stated that this F-Type car would be on their 'wish-list' (along with an SUV) for development. But they've not exactly got the money right now be expanding the range, let alone replace the current models out there.. But if Jag got themselves sorted out, then i think there's a good chance F-Type will be dusted down and taken off the shelf...<p>As for the XK in Geneva, testing has only been going on for a few months yet, and there's still a round of hot weather testing to come in this summer i guess... but from what i hear it wont be ready until 2006 definately. So it wouldnt make sense for a Geneva unveiling so early? My guess would be Frankfurt too, or maybe the American shows (follow suit with how Range Sport was unveiled a year after the concept).

pcread
01-28-2005, 07:49 AM
My main worry is that under pressure to gain positive publicity, Jag will give this child of ALC the F-Type legend. OK, it might be lighter and more sporty than the Grand Tourer that is the XK, but the true offspring of the C, D and E-Types it isn't.<p>And my money's on Frankfurt. We can send XXXAngelXXX to take pictures and write a review <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

XXXAngelXXX
01-29-2005, 12:25 AM
<I>And my money's on Frankfurt. We can send XXXAngelXXX to take pictures and write a review <br></I><p>well frankfurt is only 200 km from here - but the prob is my poor english in a review haha <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/tuut.gif" BORDER="0">

PhilH
02-03-2005, 01:16 AM
We had mixed signals from the Jaguar bosses at the training course we went on. On one hand they catagorically denied it was the new XK, on the other they said that most people would think it was when the new XK was launched as it would be very similiar.... read into it what you will.

AM2K
02-03-2005, 07:13 AM
This concept will definately be a huge indicator of how X150 (XK) will look... trust me!

pcread
02-03-2005, 07:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AM2K</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This concept will definately be a huge indicator of how X150 (XK) will look... trust me!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No-one's disputing that, but the devil's in the details.

AM2K
02-03-2005, 07:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No-one's disputing that, but the devil's in the details.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Only so much can be told though, otherwise we'd be ruining the surprise.. all be it, whats left of it after this concept <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
02-03-2005, 07:50 AM
I think the reactions are very interesting. I've been following this car on the various forums (should that be fora?) and the views are split between the lovers and the detractors. The latter almost always state the resemblance to Aston Martin, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Tiburon, you name it.<p>Maybe that's Jaguar's plan - born of insecurity and the corporate desperation to get it right. Maybe this is the focus group. They have 8 months (between Detroit and Frankfurt) to finalise the design, to be all things to all men (and women). <p>My vote: keep the side vents! And put 'em on other Jags too. They looked great on the Concept 8.

r3vilo
02-03-2005, 11:08 AM
Top gear spotted one over here in england and reckon it could be a hatch like the e-type. Its a beautiful car and i reckon it could be come-back time for jag after thir factory closures.

celloboysteff
02-03-2005, 11:20 AM
I agree. it is one hec of a georgeous car but i also think it needs a bigger engine<br>maybe evem a 550<br>

Roadster44
02-03-2005, 11:23 AM
I'm sure that 85% of what we saw is going to be the final production version. And don't read too much into what Jag bosses said, they're just keeping everybody confused. <br>Jeremy Clarkson reckons that this will be best Jag in 30 years!

PhilH
02-05-2005, 03:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No-one's disputing that, but the devil's in the details.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So true, and the details are what makes this such a beautiful car.<p>AM2K, just out of interest are you affiliated with Jaguar in some way?

PhilH
02-05-2005, 03:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>My vote: keep the side vents! And put 'em on other Jags too. They looked great on the Concept 8.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Definately! The concept 8 is something that has *supposedly* been earmarked for production, they're just exploring certain issues and feasability at the moment.<p>Oh and the Daimler brand will be making a come-back, though where that will leave the existing XJ Super V8 I don't know, unless it will just be swallowed into the Daimler umbrella.

pcread
02-05-2005, 03:46 AM
I don't know what it is, but Daimler has never done it for me. I know it sounds irrational, but that crinkly grille is a turn-off.

AM2K
02-05-2005, 01:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilH</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>So true, and the details are what makes this such a beautiful car.<p>AM2K, just out of interest are you affiliated with Jaguar in some way?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Personally i am not affiliated with Jag in any way... <p>But i like to keep my ear close to the ground! <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 8:43 PM 2/5/2005</i>

r3vilo
02-07-2005, 02:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilH</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Definately! The concept 8 is something that has *supposedly* been earmarked for production, they're just exploring certain issues and feasability at the moment.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yeah i agree. THe concept 8 also comes with digi cam and massage oil. nice concept. if they do make it its not going to be called concept 8 though is it

PhilH
02-08-2005, 03:09 AM
Possible names: 'XJ vanden plas pimp wagon'<p>Probably not actually.....

pcread
02-09-2005, 03:45 AM
Both AutoExpress ( <A HREF="http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/previews/previews_story.php?id=54167" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/p...54167</A> ) and Autocar magazine ( <A HREF="http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=213454" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_...13454</A> ) have hands-on articles about the ALC/XK<p><br><i>Modified by pcread at 6:29 AM 2/9/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by pcread at 6:29 AM 2/9/2005</i>

Riccardino
02-09-2005, 04:04 AM
Hello dear,<br>I am new to the board and very interested in Jaguar.<p>I just had an exchange of email with a lady from Jaguar Switzerland and she told me that in Geneva there will be the official european presentation of the advanced lightweight coupe, the final XK is planned to be presented in Frankfurt<p>Riccardo

pcread
02-09-2005, 07:36 AM
Hello Riccardo. Welcome to the gang! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>My guess is Jaguar have learned from (expecially) Land Rover's success with the LR3 being leaked and unveiled looooong before sale. This is Jaguar's feel-good year. They're keeping the ALC/XK in the media spotlight by dribbling bits and pieces into the press at a constant pace. Geneva in March, Frankfurt in September, lots of road tests, previews and specials in the meantime to keep those folks with $$$ burning in their pockets anticipating the launch next year.<p>Anything to turn last year's frown upside down.

XXXAngelXXX
02-10-2005, 02:18 AM
Hi Riccardine - welcome -<p>btw wtf is Hegenheim ? is it in Cheeseland ? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

skieast
02-11-2005, 07:37 AM
One of the dealers who has seen the X150 has told us that the ALC is basically the same vehicle. Different exhaust and the front air intakes were colour keyed. He saw it last year sometime so there could be changes. <p>

PhilH
02-19-2005, 07:04 AM
It's purely speculation at this stage, time will tell i think.

pcread
02-20-2005, 11:58 AM
i had a flick through Top Gear magazine and JC says that the gills will stay, but be colour coded. The front and back will change a bit.<br>He had the ALC on his front drive! Shows how seriously Jaguar rate his ability to influence public opinion.<p>Another detail, apparently it has an active bonnet(hood) raising device that protects pedestrians in a collision.

Charger
02-28-2005, 04:00 PM
here's the vert<br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/20050228085747XK_SPY_1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Imag...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/20050228085708XK_SPY_2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Imag...2.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We have exclusive spy photos of the new Jaguar XK convertible which was spied in Upington in the Northern Cape where it was undergoing hot weather testing.Photographer Charles Smith of Wheels24's sister newspaper in the Free State and Northern Cape, Volksblad, spotted the future the future Jaguar.<p>Although the car was heavily disguised our sources confirmed that it is a Jaguar. What is more is that it is the forthcoming XK convertible, of which little info is yet available. Of course Jaguar is mum about this car.<p>Our spy photos show that the next XK drop-top will feature a canvas roof. It also is inspired by the Jaguar's Advanced Lightweight Concept (ALC) car.<p>This concept hints at the new XK range and the production model will go on sale in 2006. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>source: wheels24

XXXAngelXXX
03-01-2005, 12:59 AM
looks good :)

pcread
03-01-2005, 05:29 AM
very long trunk/boot behind the canvas roof.<p>The ALC is in Geneva. Channel4/4car say there may be some changes already visible.

Charger
03-14-2005, 01:50 PM
<A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-005.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...5.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-006.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...6.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-007.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...7.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-008.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-009.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...9.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-Cabrio-001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...1.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-Cabrio-002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-Cabrio-003.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-Cabrio-004.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/spyshots/J/jaguar/xk/03-large/Jaguar-XK-Cabrio-005.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/m...5.jpg</A><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spy Shot: Jaguar XK<br>We've seen the Jaguar ALC (Advanced Lightweight Coupe) concept at this year's motor shows, and here we've caught the production version - the successor to the sleek XK coupe and convertible - out cold-weather testing. It is still heavily disguised, but there's no mistaking the ALC-like shape - which takes obvious cues from the Aston Martin V8 Vantage. This is the first time that we've glimpsed the convertible version, though, and it looks as if Jaguar is sticking with the classic canvas roof like that of the current XK drop-top.<p>Engines used in the new XK should be developments of the current 4.2-litre V8s, the flagship model getting a supercharged version. But with the news that the new Range Rover may be fitted with Aston Martin's V12, could a V12 Jag be on the cards too? One certainty is that the new car will be lighter and faster than the old XK, thanks to its aluminium structure, developed from that of the latest XJ saloon. It'll be much more of a credible Porsche rival than the outgoing XK.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Source: 4car

Charger
03-15-2005, 02:05 PM
Heres a chop of a vert<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.autokampioen.nl/published/akm/content/afbeeldingen/toekomst/jaguxkcag_050310g-81154_enlarged_81182.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: autokampioen

Roadster44
03-15-2005, 09:10 PM
Convertible I suspect will be the best among its rivals. Reason being is the super stiff and yet lightweight aluminum structure.

JBlair
03-15-2005, 09:18 PM
The production version looks even longer and sleeker than the concept. I can't wait to see the real thing............

mb rulz
03-15-2005, 09:33 PM
It looks like a cheap version of the db9 convertible, but sexy!

pcread
03-16-2005, 03:24 AM
Don't forget the gills will be colour coded, not chrome and the inlets at the front will be replaced by spotlights. <p>Added performance bonus over some of its rivals is the lack of a metal folding roof (=weight and space).<p>Seeing as the vert outsells the coupe in the States by a fair margin, this is the more relevant car.

carrera4
03-16-2005, 09:30 AM
<A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66403.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66403.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66404.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66404.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66405.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/66405.jpg</A>

XXXAngelXXX
03-18-2005, 01:42 AM
its cold outside <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
03-18-2005, 03:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>XXXAngelXXX</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its cold outside <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haha!" Those guys are freezing, so you don't have to.

XXXAngelXXX
03-20-2005, 12:27 AM
Amen <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
03-20-2005, 03:34 PM
Dont know if these have been poster before..they show the convertible<br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/xk4.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...4.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/xk3.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...3.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/xk2.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/xk1.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...1.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 3:54 PM 3/20/2005</i>

XXXAngelXXX
04-07-2005, 12:35 AM
No new pics ??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
04-07-2005, 02:55 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> Nope. It's all gone quiet.

XXXAngelXXX
04-08-2005, 12:25 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
04-08-2005, 08:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>pcread</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> Nope. It's all gone quiet. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which either means that nothing new has come out, or that Jaguar has made some significant changes to the exterior of the car from reactions from the AutoShows and is getting ready to test them on the road.

AM2K
04-08-2005, 11:17 AM
It is most likely that the car is busily testing away but nothing special has been caught on film. Magazines will probably have by now plenty of XK spy pictures, but they cant keep publishing the same car each work..<p>Hopefully when the next lot of camo comes off in the upcoming months, then new exciting pics will emerge..

pcread
04-08-2005, 11:38 AM
I expect Jaguar to keep the momentum in the motoring press going with something new quite soon. It launches at Frankfurt, but like the baby Aston did, it'll be bubbling just under the surface to keep the punters keen.<p>And when do we see the first pics of the next S-Type? That can't be far off if it's to launch a year after the XK.

AM2K
04-08-2005, 05:07 PM
I hear talk that the car is out and about testing with older body shells hiding the under-workings of a new X250 (S-Type)..<p>A magazine published pictures of an odd looking XJ which might be it. And i myself saw a weird looking S-Type a few months back which was heavily kitted out in testing gear and some of the bodywork was not quite right..<p>Its around, but i think later this year we might see that. 2007 launch is a looong way off yet!

Noor
04-10-2005, 08:19 AM
Not to sure if this is relevant though but I just spotted Jaguar busy with a photoshoot involving their entire range here in Cape Town... :) Hopefully the new XK will be in the range as well.... :)

XXXAngelXXX
04-10-2005, 10:25 PM
Take pics :)

CARSRTHEWORLD
04-10-2005, 11:53 PM
I can almost certainly confirm that there is a XK there, and my source has already been along to take photos <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> They have been sent to the Media Companies (press) a couple of hours ago so we shud see them soon!!!<p>Benji

Noor
04-11-2005, 12:18 AM
I was like 20min late and Wheels24 managed to snap all these pics just before I did. About 30min later the car was moved to the side of the building and then the heavens opened up and it poured for the rest of the day. The Jaguar XK was subsequently moved into a truck and driven to another location. I also moved to this location but was unable to snap anything as by this stage security was extremely tight. <p>Source: Wheels24.co.za<p><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/20050410150954XK_spy_400.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Imag...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/05.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...5.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/06.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...6.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/07.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...7.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/08.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...8.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/09.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...9.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/10.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...0.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/11.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...1.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Jaguar/XK2006/images/12.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...2.jpg</A>

CARSRTHEWORLD
04-11-2005, 12:22 AM
oooh my god, that is so sexy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want one!!! I think Jag have just buiult the car that will save the company! wohooo!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Noor
04-11-2005, 12:40 AM
must admit it is sexy in the metal! the pics taken don't do it any justice... also the engine note sounds extremely promising. definitely was a V8 for sure. the guy who drove the car must've felt like a million bucks... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/suave.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
04-11-2005, 02:34 AM
Wow. The one picture from the front is perhaps the most interesting. Much more restrained spots instead of the chrome scoops. And the air intake under the grille now defines the shape of the nose more elegantly, at least from that angle.<br>The rear also looks lower in Platinum than it does in ALC blue.<br>Wow.<p>Re the S-Type, Autocar has a couple of lines and a pic of the possible mule: <A HREF="http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=214465" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_...14465</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by pcread at 2:42 AM 4/11/2005</i>

RikfromBelgium
04-11-2005, 03:12 AM
I take it all back<br>this car looks stunning <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

bm88
04-11-2005, 07:31 AM
Really does!<p>I never liked the blue colour on the ALWC concept, but like most cars, it looks stunning in silver.

CARSRTHEWORLD
04-11-2005, 08:15 AM
Found this at Auto-Central.org<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <B>EVERYTHING WRITTEN HERE IS COPYRIGHT AUTO-CENTRAL.ORG 2005-2006</B><p>Cape Town seems to be the hot spot for photoshoots and these manufacturers spare no expense when it comes to photographing their latest products and ensuring its still kept a secret.<p>I have been in and out of the city for most part of the morning on Sunday, 10th April 2005 hoping to spot some really interesting cars. To my delight, I saw the current Jaguar XK model parked in the middle of the road opposite the Cape Town International Convention Centre (CTICC). I tried to see if there were any changes in the sheet metal in-line with a minor facelift until the new model arrives at year end. I followed the XK to the side of the building where a truck was parked and followed it to where the current Jaguar XK was parked earlier. Unfortunately for me, I headed somewhere else and it was in these short 2hrs that the yet-to-be released Jaguar XK was unloaded from the truck. By the time I got back the car was almost done with the photoshoot for the one location and it was covered up and parked behind the building again. At this stage I managed to snap only one picture and decided to head home as it was 13h00. I got back to the location at 14h00 which saw no developments at the photoshooting camp. Whilst waiting for the crew to uncover the car for its next photoshoot, the clouds were gathering and the wind began gusting from the south. Things didnt seem to be going too well at this stage as I saw a lot of scurrying about at the camp with no movement of the car. Finally at 16h00 the car was pulled out of the parking lot behind the building and proceeded to the road which I had hoped. However, the cars nose and rear were covered. Then it parked in the road and this was when it started raining. Immediately it was pulled beneath a nearby bridge for cover. I saw the crew bustle about at the nose of the Jaguar XK fitting some camera equipment which in my mind was great news. However, it was short-lived when the camera equipment was dismantled again. The time now was 17h00 and the truck was pulled closeby to load the new Jaguar XK. I left the scene and drove around looking if there could be another location for the Jaguar XK. I found it on the other side of the city but this time security was too tight to get a close-up. I decided to call it a day and head home. Managed to snap a few pictures but none of the car completely undisguised.<p><B>EVERYTHING WRITTEN HERE IS COPYRIGHT AUTO-CENTRAL.ORG 2005-2006</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Source: Auto-Central.org<p><br>

AM2K
04-11-2005, 01:14 PM
Definately a stunning car from Jaguar... Ian Callum is definately starting to get things right.<p>Lets just hope the XJ facelift and S-Type are just as bold, because they will be the real money makers...

Charger
04-11-2005, 04:12 PM
I like this a lot better than the concept. They are pretty similar but even the slightest change has changed my perspective. I didnt think I liked the lights but they fit very well, and I'm liking the 400 hp <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0">

MegaD
04-11-2005, 04:52 PM
<A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/J/jaguar/xk-undisguised.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/g....html</A>

ndjan
04-11-2005, 05:51 PM
The rear is nice, almost Aston-like. I haven't warmed up to the front. Seems too cross-eyed.

XXXAngelXXX
04-11-2005, 10:21 PM
u r da man noor - thanks for the pics - the car looks great - the only prob i have is - i have to wait another 2 years until the leasing of our 2 actual XKs is finished :( to get the new one ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
04-12-2005, 01:14 AM
I like this better than the Aston!!!<p>This is truley the most beautiful car in da world, its so nice and clean, and i absolutly love the headlamps and tail lamps, they are sharp, yet they dont clash with the softness of the design!

bolita
04-12-2005, 11:38 AM
I wouldn't go as far as saying that it looks better than the Aston but it does look awesome.<p>I think this will be a slam dunk for Jaguar.<p>As said a post further back, I hope that the XJ and S class follow with stylish design like this one! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

1966_GTO_
04-12-2005, 12:04 PM
Hats off to Jaguar for staying true to the concept and coming out with a model that may truly save the company. I wouldn't dare to say this is even close to being nicer than an Aston Martin, but it is certainly something for Jag lovers to get excited about.

LEXUS FAN!
04-12-2005, 01:02 PM
THAT IS SO NICE!!!<p>i'm impressed...the first jaguar i really like

taskbearer
04-12-2005, 01:17 PM
Rarely does a production car end up looking better than the concept, but Jaguar has pulled one fat trick. This baby just makes me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>Hats off to Callum. The DB9 still has the upper hand when it comes to shear beauty, but this jag manages to look both sleek and muscular at the same time. It also looks a lot less aston-like as the concept did.This calls for a celebration <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
04-12-2005, 03:54 PM
Look at those head on, up in the air pics; this thing looks like its ready to pounce. Now if only Callum can work the same magic on the XJ and S-type.

Seller Automotive
04-12-2005, 05:27 PM
those front pictures look bad if you ask me..<p>Hopefully its just the angle.. Rear is Amazing.. but the front in those pics just looks poor. and I never liked the Blue Concept's front either..

sc43018
04-12-2005, 06:01 PM
this car is gorgeous, from front to back, i am in love..... are those the stock rims? they look sleek yet racy, i hope those come on the standard engine, but what what jag use on the supercharged?

Noor
04-13-2005, 06:02 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>XXXAngelXXX</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u r da man noor - thanks for the pics - the car looks great - the only prob i have is - i have to wait another 2 years until the leasing of our 2 actual XKs is finished :( to get the new one ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thx but i have pics of my own... i must tell you, the car sounds brilliant! the V8 under the hood really adds to the overall effect of the car...

rock999
04-13-2005, 06:16 AM
its definitely nice...but i'm not sure about the front though..looks like bmw z8? =)<p>and its realiability is doubtful too...i'll go for aston...!

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-13-2005, 06:58 AM
I hope for Jaguar that this new car will be better than 997, AMV8, ... because if not, the brand will be definitely "has been".<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 11:59 AM 4/13/2005</i>

Seller Automotive
04-13-2005, 07:22 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FRENCH FROM PARIS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope for Jaguar that this new car will be better than 997, AMV8, ... because if not, the brand will be definitely "has been".</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It definitely will not be better than the 997 or Vantage. Its intentions are totally different.

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-13-2005, 07:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Seller Automotive</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It definitely will not be better than the 997 or Vantage. Its intentions are totally different.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Could you describe me the Jaguar's owner profil ? against Porsche/Aston ???<br>Because i don't see any big differences between them.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
04-13-2005, 07:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rock999</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its definitely nice...but i'm not sure about the front though..looks like bmw z8? =)<p>and its realiability is doubtful too...i'll go for aston...!</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>What? Jaguar's reliability doubtful? Not in this decade. Jaguar build quality and reliability is excellent these days. Back in the bad old British Leyland days they had a horrible reputation for electrical problems, but that's way since been fixed.

5.9LITRE
04-13-2005, 08:06 AM
it looks like the Spyker car to me and a ford concept from the early 90's I can't remember the name of.<p>BLEGH. the shape is great but the front and rear headlights are horrible. I think it's the grill on the front and headlights that make it look cross-eyed or something. Maybe I'm just looking at the pictures wrong or something b/c the old XK looks soooooo much better IMO.

JBlair
04-13-2005, 08:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>5.9LITRE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it looks like the Spyker car to me and a ford concept from the early 90's I can't remember the name of.<p>BLEGH. the shape is great but the front and rear headlights are horrible. I think it's the grill on the front and headlights that make it look cross-eyed or something. Maybe I'm just looking at the pictures wrong or something b/c the old XK looks soooooo much better IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>The angle for the front pics is a hideous angle to take pictures from. We'll probably be seeing some more spy pics like this soon, and hopefully will be able to get a better idea of the front.

Santeno
04-13-2005, 08:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FRENCH FROM PARIS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could you describe me the Jaguar's owner profil ? against Porsche/Aston ??? Because i don't see any big differences between them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>While the three companies have buyers in similar income brackets, Aston Buyers tend to be men and have noticeably higher income than Porsche or Jaguar buyers. Jaguar and Porsche are closer from an income POV, however, while Porsches are sports cars, Jaguars have a much higher emphasis on luxury, which is balanced with sport, but not ultimate performance.

Santeno
04-13-2005, 09:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rock999</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its realiability is doubtful too...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>WHAT??? Pick up a book man, Jaguar has had some of the highest reliability rankings and customer satisfaction marks for over 10 years now. You are thinking of products of a by-gone era.

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-13-2005, 09:04 AM
...and what is the Jaguar "luxury" if it isn't performance, quality, design, sportcars, technology,...???<p>Only wood and leather in the car interior and good past notoriety !!!???<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
04-13-2005, 09:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FRENCH FROM PARIS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...and what is the Jaguar "luxury" if it isn't performance, quality, design, sportcars, technology,...??? Only wood and leather in the car interior and good past notoriety !!!???</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Don't forget styling as well. Your stetement could conceivably be applied to just about every single manufacturer of high end vehicles. The fact is that they exist and each has enough differences to set their products appart and appeal to a specific type of buyer. Buyers as those I described above.

FRENCH FROM PARIS
04-13-2005, 09:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Don't forget styling as well. Your stetement could conceivably be applied to just about every single manufacturer of high end vehicles. The fact is that they exist and each has enough differences to set their products appart and appeal to a specific type of buyer. Buyers as those I described above.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I don't know the Jaguar's key figures and sales turnovers, but i think they are loosing clients like that. They need to built passion and expressive cars ! not no name milkshakes!<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:32 PM 4/13/2005</i>

Santeno
04-13-2005, 09:36 AM
To each his own I guess. I would argue that Jaguar has some of the most distinctly styled vehicles on the road. Unlike most brands, I would wage that you can look at a jaguar vehicle from almost any angle, and without seeing the badge or reading the name, know that it is a jaguar. That would apply to every Jaguar model going back over 30 years, which is something you can't say for most brands. I will give you that IMO, Jaguar relies a bit too heavily on the styling of the XJ-6 from the 60's as a source of inspiration, but hey that's where this new car comes in. IMO it appears to be a rather succesful blending of traditional Jaguar styling cues with a few distinctive new ones. Here's hoping that they continue to carry that spirit through to the rest of their to-be-revamped range.

erzhik
04-13-2005, 11:25 AM
these are the latest pics of the next XK... (of course a little choped to show how it will probably look like).<br>The last 2 pics are ALC concept, as you can XK got a lot of the looks from ALC<p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/news/2005/04/13_3/800_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/news/2005/04/13_3/800_2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/news/2005/04/13_3/800_3.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/news/2005/04/13_3/800_4.jpg" BORDER="0">

Charger
04-13-2005, 01:21 PM
heres some more vert pics<br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68310.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68310.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68311.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68311.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68312.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68312.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68313.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68313.jpg</A>

Dal
04-13-2005, 02:29 PM
i think this is the first time that a production model has looked better then its concept counter-part

Mindless T
04-13-2005, 05:38 PM
Ford taurus coupe...yay?

erzhik
04-13-2005, 07:55 PM
so..what movie will it be in? from my pics it looks like they are filming some big movie...

wilsoch
04-13-2005, 08:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Santeno</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would argue that Jaguar has some of the most distinctly styled vehicles on the road. Unlike most brands, I would wage that you can look at a jaguar vehicle from almost any angle, and without seeing the badge or reading the name, know that it is a jaguar. That would apply to every Jaguar model going back over 30 years, which is something you can't say for most brands.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Unfortunately, this new XK breaks from that tradition. The new XK is a beautiful car, but I just can't get past the fact that it looks just like an Aston. Jaguar is better than this; Jaguar has always had beautiful cars that look like nothing else on the road, but this... it's just a copy. If I were Aston, I would be pretty angry to see this car coming out of a sister-company. (Although, to be honest, Astons still manage to look a heck of a lot nicer.) Makes me wonder what the next S-Type will look like. A Quattroporte, maybe? I am a Jaguar lover through and through, and I was really hoping that, after the auto show, Jaguar would do something to differentiate this car more from the DB9 and Vantage. I'm sure that this car will be a success, which is a good thing for Jaguar, but I can't help but be a little disappointed in it (and in Ian Callum).

Dal
04-13-2005, 08:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so..what movie will it be in? from my pics it looks like they are filming some big movie...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>their shooting press pictures, and maybe filming a commercial for the car.

piokor
04-13-2005, 09:31 PM
Is this based on an all new platform? Some people at another message board I go to say that it's based on an Aston Martin.

pcread
04-14-2005, 02:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mindless T</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ford taurus coupe...yay?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If I had a buck for every time someone said it looked like a Ford Taurus on this and other forums, I'd be able to afford one. <p>Can you say "E-Type"? Take a look at your automotive history (No, I don't mean cars built after your birth) and see that this is a historic shape, dating all the way back to the E, which in turn evolved from the C via the D-Types. If you look at the three, you'll see the oval widen progressively. <p>Where Ford designers took their inspiration for the Taurus which came out even after the current XK, you'll have to ask them.<p>Give it a freakin rest guys!<p>And Yes, it's based on a Jaguar platform; a shortened version of the XJ.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:08 AM 4/16/2005</i>

AM2K
04-14-2005, 05:44 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>piokor06</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is this based on an all new platform? Some people at another message board I go to say that it's based on an Aston Martin.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The car has absolutely NOTHING at all to link it with the Aston Martin. Jaguar and Aston Martin have learned from the past mistakes with the outgoing XK and the DB7.<p>This new XK i believe is based on a shortened version of the current XJ chassis... and just like the XJ, it will be making advantage of aluminium materials for significant weight loss.

erzhik
04-14-2005, 09:42 AM
the only thing puts together Asotn Martin and this Jag is that they will compete against each other

RikfromBelgium
04-14-2005, 10:07 AM
And the boot, although I do agree the Aston influence is much smaller than was feared, the boot looks realy Aston-like<p>But still, great looking car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
04-14-2005, 11:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only thing puts together Asotn Martin and this Jag is that they will compete against each other</TD></TR></TABLE><p>In type of vehicle but not in price. The aston will start at least $25k more than the XK (if not more).

Bass-o-Matic
04-14-2005, 12:52 PM
Kind of ironic that (or, if) this undercuts the intended "911 Killer" DB9, especially since the DB9 is apparently going to end up about $20k more expensive than it's 911 target. Will this Jaguar end up being a more appropriate 911 competitor?

RikfromBelgium
04-14-2005, 01:06 PM
The AM V8 is more the 911 killer, not the DB9= too big

Seller Automotive
04-14-2005, 03:59 PM
The only car the DB9 competes with, in my opinion, is the Bentley GT.

Bass-o-Matic
04-15-2005, 02:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The AM V8 is more the 911 killer, not the DB9= too big </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup, my mistake... I need to take more time out for this stuff

RikfromBelgium
04-16-2005, 05:39 AM
No problem, I also have the occasionel problems with models with some brands.<br>As for the AM V8, I really think it will bring" 911 killer" to a new level<br>That car, if priced correctly will HURT Porsche

pcread
04-16-2005, 08:45 AM
According to Top Gear magazine, the way is open for Jaguar to bring out sportier versions of the XK a la GT2, GT3. More HP, less lbs. Watch out, friends of Ferdinand, the Cat is coming back!

wozzy
04-18-2005, 09:56 AM
Adding weight to Clarkson's predictions is the fact that he's been right about the new XK so far. In that same TG Mag article, he said that the air intakes under the ALC's nose would be replaced by spotlights. From the pictures posted in this thread, you clearly see that that is correct. He also said that the 'gills' would be colour coded. Also correct. So if the GT versions come through ... man, I'd love for Jaguar to make an M5 killer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

pcread
04-18-2005, 02:05 PM
Considering he had the ALC on his driveway before it went to Detroit, I'd say he was fairly much in the know. I'm dying to see what he says in the nes series of Top Gear in May.

Superfresa
04-18-2005, 04:48 PM
wow this car looks very cool, I'm starting to like Jaguar a lot more lately, and this really makes my conception of Jaguar improve heaps!

wozzy
04-19-2005, 04:39 AM
The way I understood that article, he even said he'd had the XK on his driveway, not the ALC. At first I was a bit sceptical about that claim because he didn't have pictures to show for it. But I must admit he was right all along. Guess he wanted to save some of the goodies for the new TG series in May ... <p>BTW, the whole article kinda makes you wonder about the construction chronology of the new car. In that same TG Mag issue, Ian Callum said that eight weeks before the launch in Detroit, "there wasn't a car". If that's true, they must've started building the ALC from scratch in mid-October 2004. But the first spy pics of the XK testing prototypes (heavily camouflaged at the time) started showing up early November. Almost like they first built the XK production type and then slapped on some nifty accessories (like the front air intakes and the exhaust  la R-D6) in order to have a 'concept' car for Detroit. <p>

r3vilo
04-19-2005, 05:00 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wozzy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> man, I'd love for Jaguar to make an M5 killer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>dont you mean M6????? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

wozzy
04-19-2005, 05:41 AM
<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> I stand corrected. The XK competes with the 6 rather than the 5. <p>In my defense, it's the same engine ...

pcread
04-19-2005, 06:01 AM
I'm sure the SVO are dreaming up a supercharged R version of the next S-type that will compete with the M5 too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
04-19-2005, 07:50 AM
SVO dream up a lot of nice stuff...<p>Unfortunately its up to the board to authorise some of their nicer creations, and sometimes they seem to be a bit tight fisted!!!

CARSRTHEWORLD
04-19-2005, 10:15 AM
Photos just in from Auto-Central.org:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-central.org/cutenews/data/upimages/jag_xk1.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.auto-central.org/cutenews/data/upimages/jag_xk2.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Auto-Central.org

XXXAngelXXX
04-20-2005, 12:29 AM
site is down ?