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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 11:10 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1096540989" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....40989</A><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/BMW/X5/2911441064.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/BMW/X5/22114422417.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: autocar<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he second-generation BMW X5 will be bigger, with more performance, comfort and versatility. The US-built 4x4 isnt due to head into UK showrooms until the end of 2006, but in a world first Autocar has already caught the new seven-seater, with thinly-disguised production bodywork, testing near BMWs headquarters in Germany.<p>Our computer-generated cover image strips off the disguise worn by the early X5 prototype to reveal how the new model will look when it arrives in 18 months to do<br>battle with the Land Rovers Discovery 3, Mercs new M-class and, as it moves upmarket, the Range Rover. BMWs design team, headed by Dutchman Adrian van Hooydonk, dont seem to have strayed too far from todays X5: the shots appear to show a car less radical than the smaller X3 with which it shares a large percentage of its mechanical package. And the shape of the glasshouse and sloping split tailgate are highly reminiscent of todays X5.<p>Longer, wider and higher than todays model, and with an extended rear overhang, the new X5 puts more distance between itself and the X3 than todays model. This is expected to allow BMW to command higher prices. Nothing is official at this early stage, but increases of around 4000 are expected, taking the price of the entry level X5 3.0i close to 40,000  almost 8000 more than the X3 3.0i.<p>Inside, the new X5 promises luxury on a level comparable to the 5-series. After receiving harsh criticism over the quantities and quality of the plastic inside the X3, BMW is taking measures to ensure the new X5s interior is as good as the originals.<br>The big news, however, is the added space. Recognising the runaway success of seven-seat 4x4s, BMW has applied new packaging solutions to the X5 that look set to extend its versatility enormously. It will come as standard with five seats in a conventional 2+3 configuration, like todays X5. However, buyers will be offered two additional seats as optional equipment to provide seating for up to seven in a 2+3+2 set-up similar to that adopted by the Volvo XC90, Land Rover Discovery and US-only Cadillac SRX.<p>The two rear most seats have been made possible by a longer rear overhang thats clearly evident in these photographs, as well as a total rethink of the X5s interior packaging. When not in use the third row of seats fold away to increase luggage capacity, which grows from 465 litres to over 500 litres.<p>Beneath its new bodywork and versatile interior, the X5 uses a new monococque platform that, Munich insiders suggest, is significantly more advanced than todays structure whose origins can be traced back to the previous-generation 5-series. Related to the X3s underpinnings, it supports new suspension using MacPherson struts up front and a multi-link arrangement at the rear to ensure the X5 retains its renowned car-like handling. Conventional steel springs will be used on lower-end models with air springs set to be fitted on upmarket versions, along with an automatic self-levelling feature to keep the ride height constant when towing.<p>BMW will apply its Active Steering system to the new X5, a system particularly suited to a 4x4 as it helps prevent high-speed roll-over accidents, as well as improving manoeuvrability around town and, more crucially, high-speed stability, especially during lane changes.<p>Power will come from a wider range of in-line six-cylinder and V8 engines than offered in todays model. Among the petrol units will be the recently upgraded 255bhp 3.0-litre six-cylinder. It will be joined from launch by new 4.0- and 4.8-litre V8 engines, presently under development in Munich as replacements for todays 3.6 and 4.4-litre engines.<br>Codenamed N62, they adopt a lightweight magnesium block and upgraded up versions of BMWs Valvetronic and Vanos systems. The diesel line-up will include single- and twin-turbo versions of BMWs excellent 3.0-litre six  both incorporating the latest injector technology for greater power and torque. Also planned is a new 4.0-litre V8 diesel engine.<p>Drive will be channelled permanently to all four wheels via either a six-speed manual (3.0i and 3.0d) or six-speed automatic (3.5d, 4.0i, 4.8i and 4.0d) and BMWs xDrive four-wheel drive system. The electronically-controlled system, fitted to the current car earlier this year, automatically apportions drive between the front and rear axles according to information supplied by various sensors. The new X5 will also come with BMWs Dynamic Stability Control, the latest four channel anti-lock braking as well as upgraded hill descent control.<p>As with the first generation model, BMW has decided against serious off-roader features such as a separate transfer case, locking differentials and decoupling anti-roll bars. BMW engineers argue that the added weight would be detrimental to efforts to once again establish the X5 the most agile car in its class. At the end of the day you have to ask the question: do the majority of potential customers really want such items? Our marketing studies suggest they dont, said a source.<p>The new X5 will again be assembled alongside the Z4 at BMWs Spartanburg factory in South Carolina, USA. Despite increased competition and the appearance of the smaller (but cheaper) X3, BMW is bullish the X5s future and suggests the record 101,000 production figure achieved in 2003 will be sustainable well into the new models lifecycle. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>source <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60576.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60577.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60578.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60579.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60580.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/60581.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7805&sid=178&n=158" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...n=158</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/images/news/101301" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2004/1129/x5_sideview.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2004/1129/x5_rear34.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2004/1129/x5_rear.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.autoweek.com/files/weekart/2004/1129/x5_headon.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: AutoWeek.com<p>continue the discussion here.

geary
12-21-2004, 04:58 AM
Looks very X3ish.<p>Hope the bridge the X3&gt;X5 gap a little more. In Australia, you can get a better looking and larger X5 3.0i for a few thousand dollars more than a 3.0i X3. I'm suprised I see so many on the road.<p>...please have a 5.0L V10 ///M version. Not named the MX5, that wouldn't work!

Walker
12-21-2004, 05:58 PM
BMW is really good at making their development cars look extremely unattractive, which is the point I guess. Just look at the way the headlights droop and the bulbous tacked on bodywork, its plain ugly.<br>Well done BMW

heavyhand10
12-21-2004, 06:14 PM
I just hope that the god awful I-drive does not effect the X5 as it did the new 3 series. Even thought the 3 series has I-drive as optional equipment the dash design looks half finished if it isn't there

The Water Is Poison
12-22-2004, 04:15 AM
I hope that they DON'T bridge the gap. The X3 is ugly as it is.

heavyhand10
12-22-2004, 07:26 AM
Anyone else notice how large that rear end looks?? It seems really bloated. Please don't tell me the fat ass is moving to the SUVs BMW!!!

Snake Vargas
12-22-2004, 07:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Walker</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BMW is really good at making their development cars look extremely unattractive, which is the point I guess. Just look at the way the headlights droop and the bulbous tacked on bodywork, its plain ugly.<br>Well done BMW</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are you sure that's their camo? Maybe it's Bangle's next styling direction, now that flame surfacing is beginning to get old.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> j/k<p>Well, seriously, they'd better not keep those droopy headlights. I loved the taut, strong appearance of the current X5. I expect the rear will look better once the camo comes off, maybe with bigger lights it will look slimmer.<p>And I expect they will bridge the gap to the X3 somewhat; such as that kick upwards on the D-pillar; and maybe they'll do it in the front and rear lights as well.

Hornbag
12-25-2004, 09:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Snake Vargas</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Are you sure that's their camo? Maybe it's Bangle's next styling direction, now that flame surfacing is beginning to get old.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> j/k<p>Well, seriously, they'd better not keep those droopy headlights. I loved the taut, strong appearance of the current X5. I expect the rear will look better once the camo comes off, maybe with bigger lights it will look slimmer.<p>And I expect they will bridge the gap to the X3 somewhat; such as that kick upwards on the D-pillar; and maybe they'll do it in the front and rear lights as well.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was about to say that. Snake Vargas has got it in one, i have the same opinions and hopes as him. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0">

taskbearer
12-29-2004, 01:47 AM
The drooping headlamps make the front of the car look like a sad fish. the mean look of the current one is better IMO.<p>The spyshots look boring, its more like a facelift than a complete overhaul, Kind of like the new M-class, But I'm begining to think the ML would look better than the next X5.

Vatican
12-30-2004, 08:26 AM
I'm surprised BMW did not cover the headlamps... they always do. I would suspect the ones we are seeing are not the final ones we'll see on the new X5.<p>Having said that, I would not be surprised if they end up Droopy looking.Bangle loves that sad fish look.<p>Can't wait to see if his sad fish will look better than Porsche's happy fish Cayenne face.<p>

Chickpig
12-31-2004, 06:49 AM
<A HREF="http://www2.autospies.com/images/12-30/BMWs_RangeRoverthreat/1.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://www2.autospies.com/imag...1.JPG</A><p>source: autocar<p><I>No direct images of any Autospies stuff, please keep it as links only. Thanks - AM2K</I><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AM2K at 1:09 PM 1/1/2005</i>

taskbearer
01-01-2005, 01:40 AM
The headlamps in that chop look like they were ripped off the 3er. Interestingly, they look much better than the spypics.

scott26
01-01-2005, 11:06 AM
That is an artist impression.<br>The actual X5 does not look like that.<br>see Autobild pictures for closer identity

AM2K
01-01-2005, 02:02 PM
<IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57680.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/57681.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autobild<p>I wonder how close these chops are to the real thing then? The front is nice enough, but i dont like the rear on this. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

VexedandGlorious
01-01-2005, 03:35 PM
these chops dont look like they can fit 7 people

badman
01-02-2005, 06:15 AM
Yeah, I'm not too sure about the 7 seats thing either. I do like Huckfeldt's front view a lot, but the rear lights wrapping around the window like that just doesn't look right. Hopefully the real thing will look better.

knicks125
01-02-2005, 08:00 AM
I was under the impression that the new X5 was going to be extended to a thrid row seat, as an option...maybe that's not the case <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

AM2K
01-02-2005, 08:07 AM
The interesting thing about this chop though is that the lights seem to be pretty similar to this MPV / RFK vehicle under development.. so perhaps this hints at a new corporate look for the next gen bigger vehicles?

spwolf
01-02-2005, 03:32 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Patman</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone else notice how large that rear end looks?? It seems really bloated. Please don't tell me the fat ass is moving to the SUVs BMW!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>how can the car look bloated, please explain this to me. X3 has as much space as X5 does now, X5 will become bigger. Bigger means it will look actually (!shock!) bigger. 5 series, and 6er look like they are the biggest cars on the road, very intimidating... and you expect for actually big X5 to look small?<p>Big SUV should look intimidating, right now when I pass next to X5 in baby Land Cruiser, it looks as if it is some small car... On the other hand, as said previously, 5 and 6 series are the most intimidating cars on the road...

Stint
01-14-2005, 03:53 PM
took some pics ... in real it looks not bad:<p><br><A HREF="http://2.pichold.com/x5_03a.jpg" TARGET="_blank">x5_03a.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://2.pichold.com/x5_01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">x5_01.jpg</A> <p><A HREF="http://2.pichold.com/x5_02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">x5_02.jpg</A> <p>

bolita
01-14-2005, 04:11 PM
Can't really tell for sure but is that car without any camo? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Dal
01-14-2005, 04:28 PM
that car has got camo on it, and loads of it too

Stint
01-14-2005, 04:37 PM
no - there's still camo on it. on the first pic you can see parts of the real body under the camo. compared to huckefeldt's impressions there is a difference when you see the car from the side (a second - lower - line).<p><A HREF="http://6.pichold.com/x5_04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">x5_04.jpg</A> <p><br><i>Modified by Stint at 3:45 PM 1/14/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Stint at 3:45 PM 1/14/2005</i>

Ascariss
01-14-2005, 05:01 PM
Welcome to the form Stint, great pictures. <p>Btw if you ever need hosting of larger spy pics just send them to us, we can host them for you for free:<p>carspyshots@gmail.com

Laguna
01-15-2005, 04:29 AM
You can tell its streched because when I went to Romania I saw a BMW X5. I could not see it clearly because it was far away. then it came right in front of me then i knew it was a Beemer. My camra was in my suitcase. It was quite cool seeing a disguised car.

Top Secret
01-15-2005, 04:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Laguna</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can tell its streched because when I went to Romania I saw a BMW X5. I could not see it clearly because it was far away. then it came right in front of me then i knew it was a Beemer. My camra was in my suitcase. It was quite cool seeing a disguised car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Cool stuff, but how can you see it's stretched? You never actually explained how you know it's stretched.<p>Oh, BTW, isn't there going to be two versions of the X5? The SWB one with 5 seats and then a LWB version with the 7 seats?

Laguna
01-15-2005, 11:40 AM
If you compare it to the origanal one you can tell it is longer. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
01-26-2005, 10:19 AM
New spy pics from Sweden:<p><A HREF="http://www.kramforsligan.com/bmwx5.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.kramforsligan.com/bmwx5.htm</A>

Laguna
01-26-2005, 10:53 AM
Thank Ascariss. Nice pics.

tobajara
03-21-2005, 02:00 AM
Arent there any news of the new X5?<br>in this link there is a picture of three bimmers,two of which are X.I recognise one X which is the current X5,the other is different.Could it be the upcoming X5?It has no camouflage.<br><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13035" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=13035</A>

[AP]adiweb
03-21-2005, 04:06 AM
We don't need a new X5, nooooo <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> The current one is a beauty, has a damn awesome, high quality interior. I will miss him/it/ her <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
03-21-2005, 05:10 AM
Are we talking about the same car here Adiweb? The X5 is among the worst cars in its class when it comes to quality. Even the MB M-Class is ranked before it..if you speak German, read this:<br><A HREF="http://www.autobild.de/suche/artikel.php?artikel_id=6353" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de/suche/a...=6353</A><br><A HREF="http://www.spiegel.de/auto/werkstatt/0,1518,297591,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.spiegel.de/auto/wer....html</A>

[AP]adiweb
03-21-2005, 06:47 AM
That's now really new to me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0"> And I thought the x5 is top in quality. Alright, so BMW should do something about that, huh, but the current styling is a beauty, interior as well as interior. Same design and new technique, that would be great then. Thanks for the information

Top Secret
03-21-2005, 06:58 AM
The current X5 has worse quality than previous ML-Class? Woah, somebody really has their priorities mixed up. MB really messed it up with the ML, and BMW certainly DID NOT get worse than that. Having owned an X5 for several years, not once did we have a fault with our car, and certainly a lot of people will agree to that.

skoochythatone
03-21-2005, 07:16 AM
Sorry to disappoint you top secret, but my sources are pretty damned good. They might only apply for European models, but thats a lot of cars aswell. Both ADAC(German automobile club, I believe the biggest in Europe) and Autobild(you know Autobild,right?Big German car magazine)have rated the X5 worse than MB's M-Class in statistics. The first generation, pre-face life ML models might not have been the best ones design/interior innovations wise, but they are certainly of better quality than the current X5. Given that the ML is on the market longer than the X5 and that the X5 in the first 2yrs had more problems than the ML in all its previous yrs proove my point, sorry. :)<br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/skoochythatone/adac1.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by skoochythatone at 6:21 AM 3/21/2005</i>

IcedG35
03-21-2005, 11:02 AM
I'm on my families third X5, and we have never had an issue ever. not one interior component felt cheap or has broken, never had a breakdown. this is our first 4.4 and it just keeps gettin better. then you drive the thing and it drives like a tank. on the other hand, our neighbors never even have their G500 becuase its always broken and the interior of an ML is sh**.... and according to my account name, i'm supposed to like MB but their trucks suck

tobajara
03-21-2005, 01:55 PM
From my point of view eventhough the current X5 is beautiful looks old compared to the other model range.Rumors say that the next generation of X5 wont look very dissimular to the current

r0b
03-21-2005, 02:04 PM
German statistics are the last thing to believe in! Don't take this personal..

copic
03-21-2005, 02:10 PM
thanks for your prejudice ...

[AP]adiweb
03-24-2005, 11:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>r0b</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">German statistics are the last thing to believe in! Don't take this personal..</TD></TR></TABLE><br>There is a saying:<p>Don't trust any statistics, even if it's your own ;-) It's not a question of nationality.

knicks125
03-24-2005, 12:04 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>@diweb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't trust any statistics, even if it's your own ;-) It's not a question of nationality.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Meaning? I am not sure if I understood the quote clearly? Please explain if you can, thanks!

Gisle
03-31-2005, 01:00 PM
Back to topic, friends! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Any new details about the 7-seater version? The twin-turbo diesel?

V10
03-31-2005, 11:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry to disappoint you top secret, but my sources are pretty damned good. They might only apply for European models, but thats a lot of cars aswell. Both ADAC(German automobile club, I believe the biggest in Europe) and Autobild(you know Autobild,right?Big German car magazine)have rated the X5 worse than MB's M-Class in statistics. The first generation, pre-face life ML models might not have been the best ones design/interior innovations wise, but they are certainly of better quality than the current X5. Given that the ML is on the market longer than the X5 and that the X5 in the first 2yrs had more problems than the ML in all its previous yrs proove my point, sorry. :)<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Look at this:<p><A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/survey/unreliable.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/s...shtml</A><p>The ML is at the bottom end of the list...<p>Maybe UK-statistics are unreliable <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

RikfromBelgium
04-01-2005, 06:51 AM
welcome fellow BMW enthusiast and countryman <br>vive la Belgique <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
04-30-2005, 10:31 PM
<IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//IMG_1681.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//IMG_1682.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//IMG_1683.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//IMG_1684.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Thanks to Ewans for the pictures, excellent pictures. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I may be wrong, but this could be the first interior picture. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Designo
04-30-2005, 11:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//IMG_1684.jpg" BORDER="0"><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Is it just me, or when you see this pic, the rear design screams Porsche Cayenne? (Light positions, curved tail design, rear window shape, spoiler, bumper, etc...) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Well quite frankly, that doesn't matter to me, because I happen to love the Cayenne's design <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Andre
05-01-2005, 12:00 AM
I actually see a lot of RR Sport in it myself, not necesarily a bad thing<p>Doesn't your family own a Cayenne?

RikfromBelgium
05-01-2005, 02:04 AM
except for the roof and the windows it's all fake <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

Top Secret
05-01-2005, 02:11 AM
That heavily slanted rear window reminds me of the new Ford Focus.

LEXUS FAN!
05-01-2005, 10:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Andre</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I actually see a lot of RR Sport in it myself, not necesarily a bad thing<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>yea it does look a lot like the RR sport

knihc2008
05-01-2005, 10:58 AM
bias much?

RikfromBelgium
05-01-2005, 11:07 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>yea it does look a lot like the RR sport</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How can you see a lot of RR sport in a heavily disguised car that doesn't show anything different from the first X5 so far <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
05-01-2005, 11:23 AM
Sorry guys..cant help it but to post the latest ADAC statistic again, showing once again that the X5 is the SUV with the most problems:<br><A HREF="http://www.adac.de/Auto_Motorrad/pannen_und_maengel/pannenstatistik_2004/gelaendewagen/default.asp?ComponentID=113335&SourcePageID=113507%230" TARGET="_blank">http://www.adac.de/Auto_Motorr...7%230</A><br>The reason why I am posting it is that I hope that this new X5 will do better..

RikfromBelgium
05-01-2005, 11:25 AM
Why do you post this? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>And in 2004 the X5 did better than the ML, although it was at the end of it's lifecycle. . <p>edit; and if you compare first year ML to first year X5 and follow like that ( which is the most honest way I believe ), theX5 kicks ML ass.

skoochythatone
05-01-2005, 11:28 AM
Rik, if the X5 is not reliable..at least you are..haha..always posting right after I posted something..of course I had to post it, we are talking about the new X5, and I think its important for BMW to improve those problems on the new one. It seems as if the are working on it(2004 numbers), but I know so many people who have had problems with theirs..

LEXUS FAN!
05-01-2005, 01:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>How can you see a lot of RR sport in a heavily disguised car that doesn't show anything different from the first X5 so far <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i am talking about the body structure not where the headlights, and all the other small crap is placed

Ascariss
05-01-2005, 01:12 PM
I would agree, the roof does slope down a bit like the RR sport.

Player4
05-05-2005, 06:15 PM
Edmunds has a Spy Video on the 2007 BMW X5.<p>Here is the link:<br><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105424" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...05424</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Player4 at 9:36 PM 5/5/2005</i>

erzhik
05-05-2005, 06:24 PM
yeah, how can you see in something in this car.. I mean look at it, it is so heavily disguised... you can't see anything except for windows, roof and a little of interior

BMW-fanatic
05-09-2005, 07:24 AM
I've heard that the new X5 has round backlights.

tobajara
05-09-2005, 08:41 AM
....and i drive.....

Pedigreepaul
05-09-2005, 09:02 AM
[quote]I've heard that the new X5 has round backlights.. [/qoute]<p>I don't think so.. BMW still uses the sharp edges in the designs, so a round backlight won't fit the program.. I think the new X5's back lights are more like the 3 series..<br>

Stint
06-04-2005, 09:26 AM
hi guys. some interior shots:<p><IMG SRC="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_04.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_01.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_02.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_03.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_03.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_04.jpg</A> <br>

SV
06-04-2005, 10:00 AM
i hope the X5 won't have a drop in quality like the 5er, but judging from what you can see in these pictures (the doors) it probably won't...unless the doors are taken from the current X5 because the new ones aren't designed yet: for some reason, the doors don't seem right to me.

against the wall
06-04-2005, 10:14 AM
stint u couldnt get exterior shots?

Stint
06-04-2005, 10:36 AM
@sv:<br>right. the interior is partially camouflaged but the final parts look good. the door style is very 3erish... <p>@carfan223:<br>there's no need to post them cos the car looked like this one: <A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12329" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=12329</A>

Ascariss
06-04-2005, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the pictures Stint. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Much appreciated. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bowdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Is there any third seat in the rear? Also here is a crazy idea, any chance you could measure the wheelbase of the car next time you see it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
06-04-2005, 10:44 AM
yeah, great job stint<br>it looks very good, very sporty. From your point of view, could it be that it had I-drive?<p>thx

Stint
06-04-2005, 10:50 AM
@Ascariss<p>You're totally right with your thoughts. I saw much more space than the current X5 provides. Thought about taking a picture of the rear cos I also wanted to see if there's a 3rd row. I couldn't see anything cos there was kinda mess in the trunk... looked not really prepared for a photoshooting <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Sry.<p>I will check the wheelbase when I have such a good situation again.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Stint at 11:03 AM 6/4/2005</i>

Stint
06-04-2005, 10:54 AM
Yes it has i-drive. And it looks really 'cool' (without towel). Unfortunately the driver covered the hump when he left the car. BTW, you will be amazed when you see the dash design around i-drive screen + around the gauges <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Stint at 11:04 AM 6/4/2005</i>

Regazzoni
06-04-2005, 11:53 AM
Is the towel an optional? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>And will it be coordinated with tha dashboard color? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

VexedandGlorious
06-04-2005, 03:02 PM
thanks for the pics stint, that interior is really looking like the 3er

CARSRTHEWORLD
06-05-2005, 03:07 AM
has anyone noticed on the steering wheel it says "MAX 210 KMH" anyone know what that is in MPH??

Klaus H.
06-05-2005, 03:47 AM
Hello,<p>210 km/h = ~ 135,25 MPH<p>Best regards<br>Klaus

RikfromBelgium
06-05-2005, 04:07 AM
Is there a current BMW-interior that looks simular?? <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Stint</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes it has i-drive. And it looks really 'cool' (without towel). Unfortunately the driver covered the hump when he left the car. BTW, you will be amazed when you see the dash design around i-drive screen + around the gauges <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Stint at 11:04 AM 6/4/2005</i></TD></TR></TABLE>

Cozz
06-05-2005, 04:54 AM
Nice work Stint and welcome to the board.<p>If the dash is anything like the current X5 than I would think that the I-drive monitor will sit lower because the X5 dash is higher than normal. It will probably look like the Lexus monitor or even maybe motorized.

Stint
06-05-2005, 09:14 AM
Not really. Especially the i-drive hump is different. For a raw image you can combine 3er (E90), a bit 5er/6er and morphed X3 elements (plus something new like the fancy buttons/gauges around the dashboard/gauges). Hard to explain but it looks really nice and I hope it will be the end of any i-drive discussion <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
06-05-2005, 09:56 AM
210 km/h..very nice...interior looks bigger than the current one

r3vilo
06-09-2005, 12:55 PM
210 km/h = 130 mph or something like that

KebabGud
06-09-2005, 01:27 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>geary</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks very X3ish.<p>Hope the bridge the X3&gt;X5 gap a little more. In Australia, you can get a better looking and larger X5 3.0i for a few thousand dollars more than a 3.0i X3. I'm suprised I see so many on the road.<p>...please have a 5.0L V10 ///M version. Not named the MX5, that wouldn't work!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>X5M .. like the Z3M ..

Flagship
06-09-2005, 04:53 PM
mUST HAVE MORE PICs <p>

tobajara
06-10-2005, 02:43 AM
couldnt agree with you any more.pictures are important,but where to be found? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by tobajara at 5:54 AM 6/10/2005</i>

StevenZoz
07-13-2005, 05:06 PM
<A HREF="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/StevenZoz/scan0007.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albu...7.jpg</A><p>SOURCE: Car and Driver, Aug. 2005

Omar
07-14-2005, 10:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/StevenZoz/scan0007.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albu...7.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Hahaha, look at those random slashes on the side. These people are pretty desperate if they think BMW's going to start putting them on its cars like Bangle did to the Fiat Coupe ages ago.

DoMiNo
07-14-2005, 11:15 AM
"Flame-surface Styling 2.0: Bangle's Revenge" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
07-25-2005, 02:05 AM
<A HREF="http://pascalpierart.free.fr/photos/script/albums/userpics/10001/Prototype%20BMW%20X5%20photo%2001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://pascalpierart.free.fr/p...1.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://pascalpierart.free.fr/photos/script/albums/userpics/10001/Prototype%20BMW%20X5%20photo%2002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://pascalpierart.free.fr/p...2.jpg</A><br>pascalpierart.free.fr<p><br>third row seats now clearly visible

CosworthKid
07-25-2005, 07:15 AM
The X5 is the last survivor of the old-school BMW and one of the best looking SUV's in my opinion.I really hope Bangle doesnt make this into a 7-seater X3 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Dont get me wrong,i like the new BMW's even though they look nothing like what people perceived of the car's image 5 years ago.I just hope the X5 will look everybit as mascular and handsome as the MK1

Santeno
07-25-2005, 07:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The X5 is the last survivor of the old-school BMW and one of the best looking SUV's in my opinion.I really hope Bangle doesnt make this into a 7-seater X3 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Dont get me wrong,i like the new BMW's even though they look nothing like what people perceived of the car's image 5 years ago.I just hope the X5 will look everybit as mascular and handsome as the MK1</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Wasn't bangle in charge of the team that designed the X5?

RikfromBelgium
07-25-2005, 11:40 AM
jeps

CosworthKid
07-25-2005, 11:50 AM
Wasn't bangle in charge of the team that designed the X5?<p>Come on people read the full thing before making small insignificant remarks!I didnt say Bangle had nothing to do with it.The fact remains though that compared to all the others,startin from the 7 and ending with the 1, the X5 looks very much like a member of the old family.Bangle also did the X3 but no one really liked that one.So all i said was i hope the new X5 doesnt fall into that trap.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Santeno
07-26-2005, 08:01 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Come on people read the full thing before making small insignificant remarks!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Not insignificant. Your original post was not clear. when you posted this:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>The X5 is the last survivor of the old-school BMW</u> and one of the best looking SUV's in my opinion.I really hope Bangle doesnt make this into a 7-seater X3...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It seemd to imply that bangle didn't work on it, since as you said it was "the last survivor of the old-school". My post was just an answer to an unclear statement, which you have now been kind enough to clarify. So see, it wasn't insignificant, for now we are all better informed as to your thoughts and ideas. <br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Uberwagon
07-26-2005, 02:02 PM
Yes, I was unaware that Bangle was involved with the original X5 design. Hence, its significance. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Hasn't he been involved in everything since the mid-90's? I believe it's the Dutch gent (Van Hoodank?) who has been responsible for the controversial bits. <p>ps: Flaming the moderator isn't nice!

Santeno
07-26-2005, 02:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Uberwagon</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe it's the Dutch gent (Van Hoodank?) who has been responsible for the controversial bits.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>You are right. It's <A HREF="http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/whoswhere/010926bmw-hooydonk.html" TARGET="_blank">Adrian Van Hooydonk</A> Who is largely responsible for many of the controversial bits. It's his design of the Z9 concept that introduced the controversial rear-ends, funky dashboards, I-drive (though that isn't his fault), and the droopy faces (which BMW seems to be reworking) in most recent models that have been fully attributed to Bangle.

Roadster44
07-26-2005, 06:05 PM
Didn't the designer of 5 series die before he saw the thing live?

Ascariss
07-26-2005, 11:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Roadster44</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Didn't the designer of 5 series die before he saw the thing live?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>correct.

taskbearer
07-27-2005, 07:56 PM
This seems like news to me. Please I would like to know who actually designed the 5 series. Its one of my favorite sedan designs.

Gisle-mann
07-31-2005, 08:12 AM
Anyway! Back to topic! What strikes me is that the back side window is smaller in lenght than it is today. But it seems like the back door is bigger. I would like to think that the new X5 is bigger, but how <B>big</B> is it, and how much space is it for passenger nr. 6 & 7 ? And is it just fake seats in this short wheelbased version? Or what? Is there any closeup pic's of this car? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

IcedG35
07-31-2005, 12:32 PM
If this isn't going to be the full size SUV that I thought then i hope plans for the X5 plus or whatever it was called aren't cancelled. It owuldn't make sense to come out with another SUV almost identical in size to the X3 though.

tobajara
09-23-2005, 09:12 AM
Still no news for the upcoming X5?Its been 2 months since the last post!

SHEPO
09-27-2005, 03:55 PM
yea...haven't heard anything...when's it supposed to debut???

tobajara
09-28-2005, 12:46 AM
I believe late 2006

Gisle-mann
10-16-2005, 05:00 AM
Well? Is this car pulverized?<br>Is it evaporated?<br>Is gone, lost, missing?<br>Have they suspended it?<br>Or have they discontinued the car even before it's production started?<p>

AM2K
10-16-2005, 06:40 AM
Its just been out there testing really. Magazines and major sites don't want to keep on showing the X5, when its probably at the same stage of disguise as it has been in the past. <p>The next time pictures of this car will come out is if there is less camo, or if it is testing in a new location..

DSC-OFF
10-28-2005, 06:30 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/10/heft_150.115817.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: <A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/auto_motor_und_sport_heft_23_2005.94448.htm" TARGET="_blank">AutoMotorundSport</A>

StevenZoz
10-28-2005, 11:08 AM
looks like a chop with a 3 series on an x5 body

Arturo
10-29-2005, 06:01 AM
<IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68283.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/68284.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Guys, how about this. It's referred to by Autobild.de as the X6, which I hardly believe to be true.

Naga Royal Guard
10-29-2005, 06:12 AM
2007 Pontiac Lemans?

Omar
10-29-2005, 06:29 AM
these pics are from a while back.<p>if i remember correctly Scott said the pic of the rear was fairly accurate although i cant remember which model he was referring to

scott26
10-29-2005, 10:55 AM
Someone please post the AutoZeitung pictures so you can get a 98% preview of the next X5 . Although the grille is closer in size to todays X5 and not quite as large. But the AZ pictures give very good indication of the finished car . Evolutionary for the X5 , Revolutionary for the X6.<p>The X5 is another 100%er known along with 2006 releases M3 and MINI 3.<br>Improve on the faults , but keep the core product identity and appeal <br>What is still amazing is that many countries still have long waiting lists for the current car.<p>Engines will start at the NG six cylinder . six cylinder diesel and for the first time the V8 diesel will accompany V8 petrol. the diesel has been essential in the overall development of the new X5 , As the current car badly missed out. The six cylinder turbo will form a high performance X3 while a V8 Turbo will form the X5 performance model. <br>The BMW board have decided against an M-powered X5 . As they see no particular need having two performance SAV/SAC when the X6 will be the ideal performance product to carry the M-powered identity.<p><br>

shonguiz
10-29-2005, 10:58 AM
Scott, are these decisions definitiv ??

T.B.
10-29-2005, 11:01 AM
AutoZeitung impressions of X5:<p><A HREF="http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/9800/sid34li.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/9800/sid34li.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A> <A HREF="http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/1663/sid45ny.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/1663/sid45ny.th.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Tine at 10:52 AM 10/30/2005</i>

StevenZoz
10-29-2005, 11:06 AM
its nice but i was expecting more of a drastic change (i.e old 5 series to the current one). with this u can still, right away tell its an X5. it doesnt make me wanna go "wow look at that"

scott26
10-29-2005, 11:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevenzoz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its nice but i was expecting more of a drastic change (i.e old 5 series to the current one). with this u can still, right away tell its an X5. it doesnt make me wanna go "wow look at that"</TD></TR></TABLE><p>When you look at when the current car was introduced the perfect example of a premium product it completely demolished the recently introduced M-klasse by all accounts . in quality , dynamics and identity.<br>The X5 was a great marketing success because the badge did not move the product - The response especially from the press done that the car was astonishing from the outset , BMW did not need to have a second chance like Mercedes with the new M-Klasse , BMW could not believe after they got the previous M-klasse that the quality was abysmal - The X5 had to surpass this and it did.<p>The X5 is core to BMW's current success with the new X5 BMW know that the competition has increased and and are out to keep their market.<br>The X5 was criticized for it's lack of boot space and the new car has been developed to acknowledge these faults.<br>

shonguiz
10-29-2005, 12:04 PM
All new BMW are very critized becose interior quality dropped, i hope new x5 will not follow the same path.

Arturo
10-29-2005, 12:16 PM
Looking at the Autozeitung pix, this is clearly no 7 seats SUV (for 3 head rests in the rear). Wasn't the new X5 supposed to be a 7-seater, or is a stretched version (X7) waiting?

T.B.
10-29-2005, 12:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All new BMW are very critized becose interior quality dropped, i hope new x5 will not follow the same path.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>BMW chief designer <B>Adrian van Hooydonk </B>recentlly commented (in AutoBild) the accusations of BMW have used cheap materials in Z4 (and X3 and 1er also) with the sentance: <B>"We have learnt from the mistakes - the future updates of certain models will be a pleasant surprise."</B><p>So, I have no doubts BMW will use better interior materials in the future.

shonguiz
10-29-2005, 12:36 PM
Yes let's believe it, until Current X5, BMW was the undeniable leader of quality, now it's Audi, but like you said, they will probably do efforts to correct the situation.

IcedG35
10-29-2005, 04:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>shonguiz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes let's believe it, until Current X5, BMW was the undeniable leader of quality, now it's Audi, but like you said, they will probably do efforts to correct the situation.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Audi...hah...i would never put audi above lexus or infiniti or any of the japanese, and that's from experience not the JDP

Comrade
10-29-2005, 05:07 PM
Interior quality

Hornbag
10-29-2005, 06:38 PM
Thats terribe, looks like the old one with screwed on headlights. They cant be right, remember its growing in lenth etc. I say the X6 pictures would be closer, plus i love them! They look awesome

Cozz
10-29-2005, 07:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scott26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>When you look at when the current car was introduced the perfect example of a premium product it completely demolished the recently introduced M-klasse by all accounts . in quality , dynamics and identity.<br>The X5 was a great marketing success because the badge did not move the product - The response especially from the press done that the car was astonishing from the outset , BMW did not need to have a second chance like Mercedes with the new M-Klasse , BMW could not believe after they got the previous M-klasse that the quality was abysmal - The X5 had to surpass this and it did.<p>The X5 is core to BMW's current success with the new X5 BMW know that the competition has increased and and are out to keep their market.<br>The X5 was criticized for it's lack of boot space and the new car has been developed to acknowledge these faults.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>What is this? Some sort of dumb joke? Do you know how many ML's cought on fire in their first year? None. Now how many X5's had that problem? Do you know how many issues and recalls there were with the X5? Now compare it with the ML recalls and it will suprise you. PS, Have you seen the sales number lately? They better make a good change.

The Ultimate Car Guy
10-29-2005, 08:14 PM
Thats an interesting comment Cozz, can you provide some evidence to back your claims.<p>You would naturally expect the new ML to outsell the current X5. Thats because its just a recently released new model which would generate high demand from the onset. As the model matures and the new X5 is launched, sales will taper off.<p>The current X5 was such and still is a phenomenal success that BMW would not want make a single mistake. I'm sure that it will be a fine model. <p>

geary
10-29-2005, 11:33 PM
Here's a rendition I did a few months back. It's a touch more conservative than the ones I have seen.<p><IMG SRC="http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/1060/x59yf.jpg" BORDER="0">

T.B.
10-30-2005, 02:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> PS, Have you seen the sales number lately? They better make a good change.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Surprisingly X5 is doing better than ML lately. In both August & September X5 outsold ML: 4.507 vs. 3.455, and 4.443 vs. 2.727 (ML outsold X5 only in April - July period). <p>Look at the sales report:<br><A HREF="http://home.att.net/~fdmeloan/BMW_Group_Sales.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://home.att.net/~fdmeloan/BMW_Group_Sales.pdf</A><br>

Hornbag
10-30-2005, 04:04 AM
Thats weird concidering you have the new M-Class?

Top Secret
10-30-2005, 04:08 AM
Who's got the new ML-Class?

Comrade
10-30-2005, 05:31 AM
lol.. I think Hornbag is saying that the ML is new, yet the X5 has better sales already.<p>Maybe it's because of the recall thingy they did or something. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
10-30-2005, 06:49 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Surprisingly X5 is doing better than ML lately. In both August & September X5 outsold ML: 4.507 vs. 3.455, and 4.443 vs. 2.727 (ML outsold X5 only in April - July period). <p>Look at the sales report:<br><A HREF="http://home.att.net/~fdmeloan/BMW_Group_Sales.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://home.att.net/~fdmeloan/BMW_Group_Sales.pdf</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No one is looking between the two. The ML just came out this year and people are still waiting on their orders. I would look at the ML numbers next year.<br>

Cozz
10-30-2005, 06:51 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>The Ultimate Car Guy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats an interesting comment Cozz, can you provide some evidence to back your claims.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I guess you're new to the game here and the automotive world. Try this... google.com

Cozz
10-30-2005, 06:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>The Ultimate Car Guy</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats an interesting comment Cozz, can you provide some evidence to back your claims.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here you go...<br>Source: <A HREF="http://www.mbmw.com/recalls.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mbmw.com/recalls.htm</A><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The X5 of Morrows father also caught firethree days after he bought it and with only 200 miles on the odometer. Morrow found several other cases were reported on the Internet website <A HREF="http://www.bimmer.org" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bimmer.org</A>, but BMW dealers told him they were unaware of a problem. The Internet reports centered on X5 fires, with all the incidents occurring with less than 600 miles on the vehicles. One occurred with just 108 miles on the two-day-old SUV. The site showed pictures of an X5 demolished by fire, allegedly due to the cooling fan switch failure.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>I'm not saying anything against the truck except for what my first post was towards.. the X5 was not perfect in any means and was not that much better than the ML in reliability.<br>

RikfromBelgium
10-30-2005, 10:52 AM
we already had this discussion and if i remember correctly there were figures posted for the recalls for the X5 and ML. And yes figures were higher for the X5. But only when you compare them in the same they were built. If you compare them by age, starting from introduction ( the correct way ) the X5 did waaaaaay better than the ML.<br>And you can go on and on with the fire. Fact of the matter is that MB had to do really good with this ML and BMW has no catching up to do with their X5.

Cozz
10-30-2005, 11:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we already had this discussion and if i remember correctly there were figures posted for the recalls for the X5 and ML. And yes figures were higher for the X5. But only when you compare them in the same they were built. If you compare them by age, starting from introduction ( the correct way ) the X5 did waaaaaay better than the ML.<br>And you can go on and on with the fire. Fact of the matter is that MB had to do really good with this ML and BMW has no catching up to do with their X5. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not comparing them, others are. My intital point is that the X5 wasn't what scott26 said it was and there is clear proof of that. I'm not dragging anything down, just pointing that facts.<p>PS. Welcome back. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
10-30-2005, 11:23 AM
I'm not denying the problems in the initial stage. But fact is: the interior( design and quality ), ride and handling was 1000.000 times better than the ML. That makes it the better car <p>ps: always been arround <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
10-30-2005, 11:26 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>ps: always been arround <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I heard you been banned for a week or something?

RikfromBelgium
10-30-2005, 11:26 AM
well, apparantly not.<br>I did read something simular, and asked why but got no reply.

Ascariss
10-30-2005, 11:50 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, apparantly not.<br>I did read something simular, and asked why but got no reply. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am not stupid rik, I know you kept changing Ips and PCs to come back, since i had to reban you 3 times, keep behaving the way you do, and we can make it a permanent ban.

RikfromBelgium
10-30-2005, 11:54 AM
WTF, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about ascariss. Really I don't. I don't even have the technological knowledge to do that. <br>Could it be because I surf on my laptop and this PC. And I have all in all 4 internet connections I use, depending from where I am.

tobajara
10-30-2005, 11:55 AM
Sorry for the off topic,what has he done to be banned?

RikfromBelgium
10-30-2005, 11:55 AM
I didn't do anything on purpose. I didn't even know I was banned. Not once did I see something about that.

RikfromBelgium
10-30-2005, 11:56 AM
something about Lexus copying BMW with their design and pointing out that Santeno was bashing a brand in the same sentence he was warning me to not bash brands. I think<p>anyway, I didn not get any warning, notice or reply when I read something about being banned, so don't start blaming me. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RikfromBelgium at 8:01 PM 10/30/2005</i>

Ascariss
10-30-2005, 12:25 PM
We don't give warnings for bannings.

Designo
10-30-2005, 12:48 PM
Shouldn't this thread be re-named "2007 BMW X5"? Or are they just selling '06 in America, and it's '05 everywhere else?

RikfromBelgium
10-30-2005, 01:27 PM
not a warning, more a notice that you are banned. In my case, I didn't even know that I was banned. Didn't notice a thing.

CosworthKid
10-30-2005, 01:59 PM
Guys i think we should get back on topic.Besides this is a place where we all should just share our passion about cars, not fight. Occasionaly we all get a little bit fanatical over our favorite car makers but thats only human, as long as there is some healthy dialogue and respect for each others opinion. Now as far as the X5: i think it is one of the most beautiful cars to come out from BMW, especially the top-spec models. I personally wouldnt want BMW to change it completely like they did with the 5er and 7. An evolutionary design that will serve to keep it fresh and competitive will do for me. Besides, under the skin there will be enough changes to make it a fantastic car, like the 5,7 and 3 are. The new ML is a dramatic improvement over the old car yet it still contains(visualy) the character of the old ML. And in any case, as long as both the X5 and ML are great cars then the BMW and Merc devotees wont change "camps". I reckon BMW fans and buyers look for something different in a car than Merc ones do. BMW is always the more sporty and envolved choice while Mercedes has a sense of limo-like appeal and comfy ride.

Cozz
10-30-2005, 05:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not a warning, more a notice that you are banned. In my case, I didn't even know that I was banned. Didn't notice a thing. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have to agree that an email of some sort or something needs to be sent in order for the member to know what's going on.<p>I was banned for a week because syclone is gay and I said it out loud but I didn't get a warning or nothing. I just couldn't go in with my IP so I changed it to get back in.

Designo
10-30-2005, 06:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I have to agree that an email of some sort or something needs to be sent in order for the member to know what's going on. I was banned for a week because syclone is gay and I said it out loud but I didn't get a warning or nothing. I just couldn't go in with my IP so I changed it to get back in.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And what does this have to do with the upcomming X5?<p><br>Anyways... about the X5. I don't know if it's just me, or does the current X5 still look great? I think they should do what MB has done to the ML, keep it's original character, yet refine it more. Unfortunately, based on the early sketches/designs I've seen from Huckfieldt, I don't know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

Roadster44
10-30-2005, 09:33 PM
I love it, drama is alive and healthy at CSS. I don't participate in it because mine is bigger than yours! lol<p>Anyways on topic of X5 vs. ML. According to Top Gear survey ML was the least satisfying car to own. Reliability goes to BMW, not by much, but it does. All the other facts such as handling, ride comfort, off/on road performance, packaging, interior ergononamics...all favor BMW.

Hornbag
10-31-2005, 01:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>comrade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol.. I think Hornbag is saying that the ML is new, yet the X5 has better sales already.<p>Maybe it's because of the recall thingy they did or something. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It takes a genious to work out half the crap i say, good job! Exactly it, spot on <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Can someone tell me some more on this recall/s?

Nath
10-31-2005, 04:56 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Designo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shouldn't this thread be re-named "2007 BMW X5"? Or are they just selling '06 in America, and it's '05 everywhere else?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>think its only the US that calls a car with a march '05 launch an '06 car etc to everyone else its an '05

Cozz
10-31-2005, 05:31 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Designo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And what does this have to do with the upcomming X5?<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's dumb question. You know very well it has nothing to do with it.

knicks125
10-31-2005, 06:52 AM
Alright...let's get on topic...all private discussions should be taken off the board (have you had a chance to try our wonderful pm system <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>

Gisle-mann
10-31-2005, 08:05 AM
Yes! What I read this thread for is my interest in the <B>NEW</B> BMW X5 !!! What's new? Isn't it a single new picture of thec rawler? And where's the 7-seater version/long wheel-base spy-pictures? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

T.B.
10-31-2005, 08:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gisle-mann</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And where's the 7-seater version/long wheel-base spy-pictures? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>New X5 will have 5 seats standard, 2 additional folding ones (for children only) in boot area will be optional. There will only one version of X5, not short one and long one. <p>As you can see on these spy pics the new car is big enough to feature 3rd row of seats:<p><A HREF="http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoenig/img/2005/bmwx508.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoe...8.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoenig/img/2005/bmwx509.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoe...9.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoenig/img/2005/bmwx510.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoe...0.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 12:15 PM 10/31/2005</i>

StevenZoz
10-31-2005, 10:40 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Tine</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br><A HREF="http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoenig/img/2005/bmwx510.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://youthmag.de/host/erlkoe...0.jpg</A><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>this shot makes its front lights look like the 7 series.

RikfromBelgium
10-31-2005, 01:13 PM
there are already pictures showing the third row, it will be there.

Designo
10-31-2005, 05:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> That's dumb question. You know very well it has nothing to do with it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Cozz
10-31-2005, 07:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Designo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Exactly... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Off Topic!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

Designo
10-31-2005, 09:45 PM
I'm actually curious as to how the X5 4.8i has done over time, compared to the Cayenne and Infiniti FX. It always seemed to me (maybe it's not true) that it, like the ML55, was an attempt to "sportify" it to compete against newer, "ultra" sporty SUVs like the RRSport, Porsche, etc. Did it do as well as BMW hoped for, or was it simply a niche vehicle?<p>I can't wait for this next X5 to come out... I'm about as agitated as I was for W221 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Cozz <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
10-31-2005, 10:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Designo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Did it do as well as BMW hoped for, or was it simply a niche vehicle? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Whether it did well or not is not what makes a car a niche vehicle/product. As you said the Porsche Cayenne and RR Sport,to name a couple, are part of this group which basically is just SUV's with sporty engines and lots of power. Maybe a few years back these cars would fit the niche category but nowadays they are as normal as sporty family saloons.

pelyma
11-02-2005, 01:22 PM
But what about its off road ability, RRS is great off road, Cayenne Ok but X5 seems to have no pretentions at all. Is this so they can make it lighter and handle better or has everyone lost the plot?

iamalittlepepper
11-03-2005, 12:13 PM
basically that's the way they do it. Remember X5 came out at 2000.. all the competitors came after they came out for quite a while.<p>pelyma<p> <br>Re: (CosworthKid) 12:22 PM 11/2/2005<p>But what about its off road ability, RRS is great off road, Cayenne Ok but X5 seems to have no pretentions at all. Is this so they can make it lighter and handle better or has everyone lost the plot?

tobajara
11-04-2005, 08:57 AM
<A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/bmw_plaene_bis_2008_aus_spass_wird_ernst.94852.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...2.htm</A><p>Source:www. automotorundsport.de

T.B.
11-04-2005, 09:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tobajara</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/bmw_plaene_bis_2008_aus_spass_wird_ernst.94852.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...2.htm</A><p>Source:www. automotorundsport.de</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

mc_blue
11-04-2005, 01:21 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tobajara</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/bmw_plaene_bis_2008_aus_spass_wird_ernst.94852.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...2.htm</A><p>Source:www. automotorundsport.de</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hope it looks like that - very conservative but nice too.

ndjan
11-04-2005, 01:59 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Raj</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope it looks like that - very conservative but nice too.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree; It's tasteful and not gimmicky

iamalittlepepper
11-11-2005, 11:55 PM
From this article it will be the first to use FlexRay<br><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103551" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103551</A><br>News<br>Use of faster in-car data network could help revive by-wire technologies<br>RALPH KISIEL | Automotive News<br>Posted Date: 11/11/05<p>MUNICH, Germany -- Automakers are close to adopting a faster in-car data network standard that could revive brake-by-wire and other by-wire technologies.<p>Analysts say BMW AG will introduce the FlexRay high-bandwidth data network on a limited basis in the next-generation X5 SUV in fall 2006.<p>BMW will use the system only to control dampers on the X5 suspension, says analyst Chris Webber, vice president of Strategy Analytics' automotive practice in the United Kingdom.<p>"It's the first production application of FlexRay in the world," he said.<p>The first automaker will use the full FlexRay network on a production vehicle by late 2008, predicts Stephan Lehmann, strategic marketing manager for Freescale Semiconductor's global automotive business.<p>Freescale is a founding member of the FlexRay Consortium. It includes core members Volkswagen AG, BMW, DaimlerChrysler AG, General Motors and suppliers Robert Bosch GmbH and Royal Philips Electronics. The consortium was created in 2000 to develop a more robust in-vehicle network as an industry standard.<p>Today's in-vehicle networks cannot carry the increasing data load fast enough and reliably enough to operate advanced systems such as brake-by-wire.<p>At least one manufacturer has delayed its brake-by-wire program because the car's data network was not fast enough or reliable enough.<p>By-wire systems remove mechanical links between the driver and critical systems. So their control networks require both freedom from random false signals and enough speed to handle multiple confirming signals.<p>At 20 megabytes a second, FlexRay network can transmit data 20 times faster than a current controller area network system.<p>The group developed FlexRay for advanced car control systems such as brake-by-wire.<p>Now automakers are considering using this larger electronic pipeline as a vehicle's primary network.<p>With FlexRay's high-bandwidth capabilities, large amounts of detailed information can be communicated very rapidly. That allows extremely quick and precise mechanical responses.<p>It also can tie all the existing networks together.

T.B.
11-13-2005, 07:56 AM
Scott, comments on FlexRay? <br>AutoBild speculated that technology would be introduced in E90 3er. <br>But we know it is not there.<p>Will X5 be luckier? Or we have to wait for V5, X6 or even new 7er to see FlexRay in BMW vehicle?

Gisle-mann
12-01-2005, 02:51 AM
What is this? X5 can be bought, less then a year from now, and we haven't seen it? Is it the world's most secret car or what? Djeeezzzzess! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
12-01-2005, 04:02 AM
Anyone have a bigger picture of the X5 tobajara posted? Thats this link, <A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/bmw_plaene_bis_2008_aus_spass_wird_ernst.94852.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...2.htm</A>

Smart22186
12-01-2005, 11:52 AM
Actually i thought the most secret car in the world was the volvo V30. does any one ever seen any! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

tobajara
01-03-2006, 04:12 PM
<A HREF="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/neuheitenkalender?_next=1&skip" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-motor-und-spor...&skip</A>=

Comrade
01-03-2006, 04:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone have a bigger picture of the X5 tobajara posted? Thats this link, <A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/news/auto_und_produkte/bmw_plaene_bis_2008_aus_spass_wird_ernst.94852.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...2.htm</A></TD></TR></TABLE><br><A HREF="http://www.automotorundsport.de/d/95286/d_ams_fotoshow_detail?skip=0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.automotorundsport.d...kip=0</A> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Comrade at 5:34 PM 1/3/2006</i>

tobajara
01-03-2006, 04:21 PM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=600&page=3&pp=10" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarzone.com/s...pp=10</A><p>Some more.

Gisle-mann
01-28-2006, 05:37 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.autoweblog.de/50226711/images/BMW-X5-2007.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Tsk! Looks like the Q7 ... ugly!<br>Anyway! Is the new X5 dead? Is it not very strange that there isn't a single spyshot of the new X5? Anyone have anything? Know anyone that know something about it?<br>Not that I care som much about it ... I just bought av brand new XC90. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
01-28-2006, 06:28 PM
Ohh good, the next generation of an overly complicated 5 series wagon on stilts (however you spell that). I love BMW, I really do, but why cant they build decent SUVs as well?

Naga Royal Guard
01-28-2006, 06:29 PM
thats a chop

Cozz
01-28-2006, 07:39 PM
No way in hell it's going to to look like that. I'm expecting a totally different look towards the back quarter, nothing like the X3.<p>The front end is just way off.

against the wall
01-28-2006, 07:50 PM
i would rather be seen driving a foot-powered (flintstones-esque) vehicle than that ugly thing.

Superfresa
01-28-2006, 07:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yanksrule26</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would rather be seen driving a foot-powered (flintstones-esque) vehicle than that ugly thing.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

protocatcher
01-29-2006, 02:36 AM
The reason there are no new spypics out from the X5 is that they are still driving around with the same cammo as they did for the last 14 months . When they will drive with less cammo, the pics will come again . <br>Last week i saw about 5-7 X5 prototypes, so they are driving them alot .

tobajara
01-29-2006, 02:42 AM
Where did you see them?Since they were prototypes how didi they look like?Any picture from this thread attributes the official design?

Hornbag
01-29-2006, 04:22 AM
That has to be the worst chop I think I've ever seen! That is truly hideous. The bumper is so cheap looking, and the tail light is spew, thank god it's a chop....

protocatcher
01-29-2006, 05:48 AM
They are doing wintertest in northen Sweden .

Mister Pat panick
02-04-2006, 03:42 AM
spy pics caught in south France. source from <A HREF="http://www.leblogauto.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.leblogauto.com</A><p><IMG SRC="http://clabedan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bmw_x5_spya.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://clabedan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bmw_x5_spyb.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://clabedan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bmw_x5_spyd.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://clabedan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bmw_x5_spye.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://clabedan.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bmw_x5_spyc_1.jpg" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by knicks125 at 5:41 PM 2/4/2006</i>

Superfresa
02-04-2006, 03:54 AM
Yuck, they kept the bland styling....<p>I do see something weird on the tailgate of that last pic. Anyone else see what appears to be some circles on the actual tailgate, just below the level of the rear lights? What is that?

protocatcher
02-04-2006, 04:01 AM
Its just the red reflector that is mounted to the cammo , making it look like its a circle there . Nothing to care about .

Cozz
02-04-2006, 05:40 AM
I love the exhaust ports. Absolutely love it! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Superfresa
02-04-2006, 06:06 AM
It looks a bit X3ish size wise though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> look at the tiny windows between C&D pillars...

mzoltarp
02-04-2006, 07:04 AM
minus the camo it ought to look better than the current one

AM2K
02-04-2006, 07:55 AM
A video of the X5 testing at the Nurburgring can be found here:<p><A HREF="http://www.channel4.com/4car/video/spyshots/index.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/v....html</A><p>Unfortunately my stupid computer is having issues and can't play the file. So if anyone could post some feedback after watching the video, would be much appreciated!

CosworthKid
02-04-2006, 10:16 AM
Well i saw the video but i dont really know what to make of the X5. There is a lot of camo, like in the above pics, and from the rear its even made to look like a Cayenne, probably to mislead any spy photographers and its probably why they have it race around the "ring" with a 911!!! The front mask looks identical to current X5 so i assume that is misleading as well. I dunno man, i really cant make much of a car when its got so much camo on it. Anyone else??

LEXUS FAN!
02-04-2006, 12:10 PM
is that body on the x5 the current body b/c it looks identical?

T.B.
02-04-2006, 12:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is that body on the x5 the current body b/c it looks identical?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's a test mule wearing plastic cladding - emulating current design as a decoy. Below the cladding the real body is hiden: sleeker, flame-surfaced, different front & rear lights, etc.<p>But, yes: the profile (general shape) will be similar to the current X5: an eveolution - with flame surfacing.

tobajara
02-04-2006, 01:08 PM
The front lights do look identical to current model.From what i have read the upcoming X5 will not have vast changes,in what concerns the styling or better will be more conservative compared to 7,5,1,3,6 series.

Superfresa
02-04-2006, 05:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">minus the camo it ought to look better than the current one</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That wouldn't be hard <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

velsatis
02-05-2006, 10:20 AM
The X5 was lunched in 2001, now suposing that they lunch it next year 2007 that makes him 6years in market while the ML was 8 yrs in the market (1997-2005), maybe the X5 isin't doing so well after all?or maybe BMW is sufuring of the ML efect. Both Mercedes and BMW's have 7 yrs of market untill replacement....up to now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
02-05-2006, 10:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The X5 was lunched in 2001, now suposing that they lunch it next year 2007 that makes him 6years in market while the ML was 8 yrs in the market (1997-2005), maybe the X5 isin't doing so well after all?or maybe BMW is sufuring of the ML efect. Both Mercedes and BMW's have 7 yrs of market untill replacement....up to now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mate what u say is completely nonsense. The X5 was on the market before 2001 in europe..but even if it came out 2001 like u said, thats not way of judging the success of a vehicle. Times have changed and so have the life cicles of cars. The market is sooo competitive nowadays that car companies cannot afford to wait for 8 years to replace their vehicles. When the X5 came out, the only realistic competitor was the M-Class and it ousold it since then. But there where no other SUV's of their class back then. Now with the new ML, Volvo XC90, Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne, VW Touareg, Range Rover, Range Rover Sport and other new and upcoming SUV's from Lexus till Lambo, BMW cannot just sit around waiting to be knocked off the sales chart. Of course it has to fight back with a new car. Check out other divisions as well. Peugeot for example: did u see how long it took for them to replace the 306 with the 307, and the 205 with the 206? MANY MANY years. Yet the 308 is already planned and the 207 is about to be sold in most countries. Does that mean that these cars, especially the best selling 206, did not fair well? Hell no! But with so many makes spawning their new vehicles every month they need to keep ahead of the pack. Do i make any sense?

Gisle-mann
02-05-2006, 10:49 AM
The X5 was introduced in Desember 1999!<p>Here's one delivered in Jan.2000<br><A HREF="http://www.mobile.de/SIDveJYfpdFSxuFANRGVJ57fg-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11391605 95A1LsearchPublicD1100CCarY-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1B21B20B89%81T-t-vCaMiMkQuRDSeVb_X_Y_x_yrdsO~BSRA6D1100B49D3500AGD2 000CPKWHinPublicA2A0A0A0D1999A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?sr_qual=G&top=35&bereich=pkw&id=11111111196020273" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mobile.de/SIDveJYfp...20273</A>&<p>Delivered March 2000:<br><A HREF="http://www.mobile.de/SIDg7Q9fpclICabm5F4QFBfeQ-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11391605 95A1LsearchPublicD1100CCarX-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20B89%81T-t-vCaMiMkQuRDSeVb_X_Y_x_yrdsO~BSRA6D1100B49D3500AGD2 000CPKWHinPublicA2A0A0A0D1999A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?sr_qual=G&top=2&bereich=pkw&id=11111111195950285" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mobile.de/SIDg7Q9fp...50285</A>& <p>Delivered mach 2000:<br><A HREF="http://www.mobile.de/SIDg7Q9fpclICabm5F4QFBfeQ-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11391605 95A1LsearchPublicD1100CCarX-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20B89%81T-t-vCaMiMkQuRDSeVb_X_Y_x_yrdsO~BSRA6D1100B49D3500AGD2 000CPKWHinPublicA2A0A0A0D1999A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?sr_qual=G&top=6&bereich=pkw&id=11111111196038735" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mobile.de/SIDg7Q9fp...38735</A>& <p>And so on, and so on:<br><A HREF="http://www.mobile.de/SIDveJYfpdFSxuFANRGVJ57fg-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11391605 95A1LsearchPublicD1100CCarY-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1B21B20B89%81T-t-vCaMiMkQuRDSeVb_X_Y_x_yrdsO~BSRA6D1100B49D3500AGD2 000CPKWHinPublicA2A0A0A0D1999A0/cgi-bin/searchPublic.pl?sr_qual=G&top=1&bereich=pkw" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mobile.de/SIDveJYfp...h=pkw</A>& <p><br>

lsleelee
02-05-2006, 11:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When the X5 came out, the only realistic competitor was the M-Class and it ousold it since then. But there where no other SUV's of their class back then. Now with the new ML, Volvo XC90, Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne, VW Touareg, Range Rover, Range Rover Sport and other new and upcoming SUV's from Lexus till Lambo, BMW cannot just sit around waiting to be knocked off the sales chart.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Whooooaaaa, I know you didn't just refer to the Range Rover as a newbie gunning to overtake the ML and the X5 in the luxury SUV market. The Range Rover is decades older and INVENTED the luxury SUV market.<p>When the first ML came out it was absolutely an ugly minivan with a cheap interior that you couldn't even take on a dirty road, and the X5, while at least looking like an SUV and driving decently, would simply faint in terror if it ever saw mud. The Range Rover has always been and still is the real deal.

knicks125
02-05-2006, 11:35 AM
Alright everyone, let's try to get back on topic and discuss the new X5 and related items.

aphophis
02-05-2006, 02:47 PM
new spyshots from finland<p><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=88145" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...88145</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=88146" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...88146</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=88147" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...88147</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=88148" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...88148</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=88149" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...88149</A><br><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=88150" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...88150</A><p>Source: <A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?showtopic=83543&hl=" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...3&hl=</A><br>

CosworthKid
02-06-2006, 08:03 AM
[QUOTE=lsleelee]<br>Whooooaaaa, I know you didn't just refer to the Range Rover as a newbie gunning to overtake the ML and the X5 in the luxury SUV market. The Range Rover is decades older and INVENTED the luxury SUV market.<br>QUOTE]<p>So typical, focusing on words instead of the real meaning of what im saying. The Range Rover mate was DECADES old as u so well put it. So the ML and X5 where the only new breed of luxo SUV's out at the time. The new Range Rover came out years after that and YES it is the mother or all luxury SUV's but like i said, whats that got to do with the point i was making?

wmb
02-07-2006, 05:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>lsleelee</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whooooaaaa, I know you didn't just refer to the Range Rover as a newbie gunning to overtake the ML and the X5 in the luxury SUV market. The Range Rover is decades older and INVENTED the luxury SUV market.<p>When the first ML came out it was absolutely an ugly minivan with a cheap interior that you couldn't even take on a dirty road, and the X5, while at least looking like an SUV and driving decently, would simply faint in terror if it ever saw mud. The Range Rover has always been and still is the real deal.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Maybe someone should tell lsleelee that the current range rover is based on the X5... hahahahhahah lol <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The fact of the matter is lsleelee, people don't buy SUV's to go offroad anymore. BMW was the first to figure it out, and now everyone is on the bandwagon (Cayenne, new ML, GL, etc...)...

scorpio14
02-07-2006, 05:44 PM
THe first few pics from Finland with the snow all over the front makes it look like that Skoda sedan (i think thats it)... thats what i first thought when i saw um

enit
02-07-2006, 05:55 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>scorpio14</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THe first few pics from Finland with the snow all over the front makes it look like that Skoda sedan (i think thats it)... thats what i first thought when i saw um</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good one! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=88145" TARGET="_blank">http://forum.softpedia.com/ind...88145</A><p>vs.<p><A HREF="http://arabam.milliyet.com.tr/fuar/2004/paris/skoda_octavia_combi.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://arabam.milliyet.com.tr/...i.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by enit at 2:00 AM 2/8/2006</i>

carjunkie
02-07-2006, 05:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wmb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Maybe someone should tell lsleelee that the current range rover is based on the X5... hahahahhahah lol <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> thats so hilarious, i can't stop laughing.

DoMiNo
02-07-2006, 06:09 PM
I'm pretty sick of seeing more and more spyshots of the same heavily-camouflaged X5 mule. Okay, we get it, they're testing the car. But stop taking pictures until we can actually SEE something.

DSC-OFF
02-15-2006, 10:01 AM
<A HREF="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c306/ef0ne2/ca8fe49f.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://i30.photobucket.com/alb...f.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.carmagazine.co.uk" TARGET="_blank">CAR</A>

aphophis
03-06-2006, 06:57 AM
new cgi's from autobild. Beatifull back theme, laussy headlamps <p> <IMG SRC="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=98699" BORDER="0"><br> <IMG SRC="http://forum.softpedia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=98700" BORDER="0">

CosworthKid
03-06-2006, 10:36 AM
I like it, very evolutionary as expected and looks good. I hope those black inserts above the wheelarches doesnt cheapen it like they do on the X3.

skoochythatone
03-06-2006, 12:11 PM
How is that evolutionary? Looks too much like the current one...of course its just a rendering...but still..

against the wall
03-06-2006, 02:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How is that evolutionary? Looks too much like the current one...of course its just a rendering...but still..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i thought i remember scott26 saying that this wouldnt be a majorly drastic redesign...

CosworthKid
03-06-2006, 07:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How is that evolutionary? Looks too much like the current one...of course its just a rendering...but still..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats the whole point of "evolutionary" design. If i said "revolutionary" it would be something entirely different. All the 3er's of the 90's where pretty much evolutionary in their design..this looks very similar to the current yet its fresh enough to stand out as new. I like it very much. Its probably a chop based on a current X5 but still..anyways, wait and see

RetroJapan
03-06-2006, 07:30 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How is that evolutionary? Looks too much like the current one...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
03-06-2006, 07:32 PM
i don't know why, but i have a feeling like the actual car will look similar to that

Hornbag
03-07-2006, 04:00 AM
Looks fantastic to me. Not too out there, but still pretty 'fame surfaced." I like how they rounded it off a heap, the current model is too sharp

mr_putter
03-10-2006, 12:38 PM
I'm not too fussed about this one either <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

scorpio14
03-10-2006, 08:26 PM
Looks good.... i hope it comes out similar to that...<p>This threads been goin on in end of 2004... man the cars gotta be close to its revealing... i havent read the thread BUT has anyone found out when itll be?? cant be bothered goin through all the pages

tobajara
03-18-2006, 11:33 AM
<A HREF="http://autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=6764&categoryId=12" TARGET="_blank">http://autospies.com/article/i...Id=12</A><p>

Mr. Fusion
03-18-2006, 11:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tobajara</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=6764&categoryId=12" TARGET="_blank">http://autospies.com/article/i...Id=12</A><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Autospies says 2008....Thats abit of a wait. I would say 2007. Will the next gen have renforced cardboard as a loading bay? Some-one told me that the current X5 has a renforced cardboard boot.

against the wall
03-18-2006, 11:57 AM
i like huckfeldts red one better... more realistic on how it would look like.

wmb
03-19-2006, 02:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lucozade</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Autospies says 2008....Thats abit of a wait. I would say 2007. Will the next gen have renforced cardboard as a loading bay? Some-one told me that the current X5 has a renforced cardboard boot. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your thinking M3 CSL. It had a cardboard boot floor.<p>It probably will be a 2008 model. BMW does this often. They release models early in the year and give them the next model year.

MGS06
03-21-2006, 09:42 PM
I hope the new model looks like this, its fantastic, but BMW is full of Surprises...

Superfresa
03-21-2006, 09:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wmb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Maybe someone should tell lsleelee that the current range rover is based on the X5... hahahahhahah lol <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I guess it doesn't matter anymore since this is old, but the Range Rover is NOT based on an X5 - It has the X5's engine (though modified by Land Rover) but thats about it. The 4WD system in the X5 is made by Land Rover, as are a few other things in it, but thats where similarities stop. The X5 is a wagon on stilts (OK, OK, its a SUV meant for the road *cough* so is a wagon *cough * whilst the Range Rover is a proper 4X4.

IcedG35
03-21-2006, 10:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I guess it doesn't matter anymore since this is old, but the Range Rover is NOT based on an X5 - It has the X5's engine (though modified by Land Rover) but thats about it. The 4WD system in the X5 is made by Land Rover, as are a few other things in it, but thats where similarities stop. The X5 is a wagon on stilts (OK, OK, its a SUV meant for the road *cough* so is a wagon *cough * whilst the Range Rover is a proper 4X4.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>and it doesn't even use the BMW engine anymore, just some BMW switches here and there

tobajara
03-21-2006, 11:07 PM
I think the range sport does not use bmws engines but range rover does,the 4,4 V8.

iamalittlepepper
03-21-2006, 11:36 PM
Actually I was cleaning up my X5's boot the other day.. the loading cover above the spare tire is actually a piece of carpet clued on a black piece of plywood spray painted black.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wmb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your thinking M3 CSL. It had a cardboard boot floor.<p>It probably will be a 2008 model. BMW does this often. They release models early in the year and give them the next model year.</TD></TR></TABLE>

iamalittlepepper
03-21-2006, 11:37 PM
Range Rover DID.. they all moved the 4.2L V8 (charged or non charged) after the face lift.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>tobajara</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the range sport does not use bmws engines but range rover does,the 4,4 V8.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Superfresa
03-22-2006, 04:07 AM
Yeah the non Supercharged engine is actually the 4.2 engine slightly modified by Land Rover up to 4.4Lts.<p>Anyway, sorry to get off topic, I was just clearing up an old statement.<p><br>Back to the wagon on stilts <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> *ahem* BMW X5

BMW MFreak
03-22-2006, 04:54 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 4WD system in the X5 is made by Land Rover, as are a few other things in it, but thats where similarities stop.</TD></TR></TABLE> That is not true. The xDrive is not an development of Land Rover. BMW developed the xDrive by itself.

Rossell
03-22-2006, 05:39 AM
Yeah plus Huckfieldt is almost always right...

Superfresa
03-22-2006, 08:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BMW MFreak</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> That is not true. The xDrive is not an development of Land Rover. BMW developed the xDrive by itself.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah but, they bought Land Rover, developed the X5, then sold Land Rover when it was nearly complete (The X5). Truth is, they needed Land Rover to share with them their 4X4 technologies just as much as Land Rover needed BMW to share their quality focus on their cars - truth be said, BMW improved their reliability heaps and then ford just completed the job, but BMW gained in this process the 4X4 system even if it's different and the HDC and another bunch of technologies.

RikfromBelgium
03-23-2006, 06:26 AM
sorry, but that's a load of <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/moon_1_D.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>if the system is different, as you say so yourself, how the hell did they just buy landrover for the 4x4 system. Yes, they got the HDC, but that's IT. I believe that Landrover benefitted MUCH MORE from the buy. The RR got the class and quality again, and the image it used to have because of BMW. Furthermore, BMW bought Rover for Rover, not for Landrover. <br>

Superfresa
03-23-2006, 02:39 PM
No one's saying Land Rover didn't bennefit from BMW ownership (although Its bennefited much more from Ford than from BMW). Land Rover has never lacked class, but BMW DID help out in quality control.<p>Land Rover co-developed 4X4 system with BMW because they had 50 years experience, whilst BMW was just trying to get in the game. The Range Rover has always had the latest technology in the Premium 4X4 market and BMW needed Land Rover because they were entering this market, and Land Rover was the most knowledgeable at this.

wmb
03-23-2006, 04:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No one's saying Land Rover didn't bennefit from BMW ownership (although Its bennefited much more from Ford than from BMW). Land Rover has never lacked class, but BMW DID help out in quality control.<p>Land Rover co-developed 4X4 system with BMW because they had 50 years experience, whilst BMW was just trying to get in the game. The Range Rover has always had the latest technology in the Premium 4X4 market and BMW needed Land Rover because they were entering this market, and Land Rover was the most knowledgeable at this.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Excuse my language, but your full of B.S. superfresa...<p>The original X5 4x4 system simply was developed with 60% of the power going to the rear and 40% going to the front. Thats it. Wheel sliding was controlled by DSC which breaks wheels that lose traction. The RR has a much more complex system going on.<p>BMW has had history in the 4 wheel drive market with several ventures in the late 80's & early 90's. Also xDrive debuted as a concept back in 2001. Also as early as 2000 BMW was offering 4 wheel drive 3 series, with the same setup which the X5 had.<p>BMW did get the two piece tailgate idea from landrover, as well as HDC.<p>Land Rover didn't lack class (with the range rover anyway), but its image was definitively hurting with an extremely aged line up. BMW turned this around by building the current Range Rover from scratch off of an X5 platform. When Ford bought Land Rover, before development was finished, BMW and Ford agreed that BMW would finish the development of the next Range Rover and hand over the project to Ford for manufacturing - which is why to this day the RR still uses many BMW parts (although regrettably, no longer the engine...). <p>BMW did a lot more for Land Rover they Ford ever has. Land Rover would not be where it is without BMW's input. Take a look at the LR3 and the Sport, both a joke developmentally. They simply ride of the successes of the Range Rover for sales - which really isn't a bad strategy for Ford to follow...<p>BMW ended up dumping Lang Rover because of the huge costs LR racked up. Because the freelander, discovery and previous range rover were so unreliable BMW had to spend major $$ to pay labor fees, parts, and even more to redesign the parts and the reliablitity. BMW also believed that with the new era of luxury utes priced cheaper then the Range Rover (ala X5, ML, Cayenne, etc...) that the Range Rover would simply represent a small piece of the pie - with not enough returns to justify rebuilding the discovery & freelander platforms...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by wmb at 4:00 PM 3/23/2006</i>

Superfresa
03-23-2006, 06:08 PM
Alright, first off, Land Rover was owned by BMW 1994-2000 so all the wonderful examples of the XDrive appearing in 2001 prove nothing. Fair enough though, BMW did develop their xDrive, but Land Rover certainly helped out there - and thats fine, each does what they know how to do. If you believe BMW developed the X5 with their own knowledge and nothing else, its fine by me, but they owned the 4X4 leading company for over 50 years, so you'd expect some collaboration there, wouldn't you...<p><br>Just one thing though, RR in not based off an X5 platform. Its more like LR and BMW co-developed a platform that would suit Land Rover and their extreme capabilities and also suit BMW with their on road dynamics. Its like saying Ford uses Peugeot's 2.7TDI engine - I mean, technically you can put it that way, but the engine belongs to both ford and peugeot who developed the engine in a collaborative work with each other.<p>What I really dont get is what you fin "A Joke developmentally" about the LR3 and the Range Sport... that they're the best on road performing Land Rovers yet? Or that they have the most advanced technology in their class - or perhaps that they're the most reliable Land Rovers yet? To me the Discovery 3 and Range Sport are a masterpiece of engineering and design and are the ultimate proof that Ford is leading Land Rover the proper way...<p><br>Finally, you dont just drive 60% of 300bhp to the rear and 40% to the front just like that. It takes quite a bit of technology to nail that down. Undoubtfully, BMW could've done it themselves alright, but if they have the knowledgable Land Rover help, things are quite easier aren't they...

tobajara
03-26-2006, 08:52 AM
<A HREF="http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=3452" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=3452</A><p><A HREF="http://www.x5world.com/userpage.php?userid=21" TARGET="_blank">http://www.x5world.com/userpage.php?userid=21</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by tobajara at 9:14 AM 3/26/2006</i>

erzhik
03-26-2006, 09:36 AM
thanks for the pics..<p>so tired of looking at the same camo all over again, whell will they take something off?

IcedG35
03-26-2006, 10:39 AM
Still looks too small.

enit
04-07-2006, 05:06 PM
Scott, is this really a dash of new X5? If not - then which BMW is this? RFK perhaps?<p><br><A HREF="http://www.siemensvdo.com/NR/rdonlyres/4171A35E-67BD-4429-B2C6-759CA7891C2B/0/sv_pp_propilotLidarACC_0604001_high.jpg" TARGET="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://www.siemensvdo.com/NR/rdonlyres/5A8527E3-2094-435E-9316-73CA9032FE96/0/sv_pp_propilotLidarACC_0604001_low.jpg" BORDER="0"></A><p>Source: Siemens VDO<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by enit at 11:40 AM 4/8/2006</i>

erzhik
04-07-2006, 05:42 PM
hmm.. this could be a dash of X5.. It doesn't look like in any BMW that are on the road now.

CosworthKid
04-07-2006, 06:24 PM
The centre binoculars and that digital "reader" or what it's called between them remind me of recent european Fords, especially concepts like the Iosis. Is this really a BMW?

DoMiNo
04-07-2006, 06:28 PM
Probably a chop... HVAC controls are from Volvo.

Ascariss
04-07-2006, 06:55 PM
Hmm I knew those looked familar. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

wmb
04-08-2006, 01:21 AM
I do believe it is the new X5. Its certainly not the E60.<p>Obviously Siemens VDO has removed the obvious BMW markings, and thus would have no reason to put in BMW gauges or the BMW HVAC controls...<p>Look at the key, its a BMW key through and through... Also the rear view mirror as well as the interior lights. All new age BMW.<p>I think this picture is from Siemens VDO trying to show their automakers or whoever, what there system can do and provide in a car. Although it seems they have taken a new X5 pic, and removed the obvious.

iamalittlepepper
04-08-2006, 02:20 AM
Not to mention VDO has been BMW's supplier for the last few generations..<p>I got a few idrive monitors and they have all been VDO.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>wmb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do believe it is the new X5. Its certainly not the E60.<p>Obviously Siemens VDO has removed the obvious BMW markings, and thus would have no reason to put in BMW gauges or the BMW HVAC controls...<p>Look at the key, its a BMW key through and through... Also the rear view mirror as well as the interior lights. All new age BMW.<p>I think this picture is from Siemens VDO trying to show their automakers or whoever, what there system can do and provide in a car. Although it seems they have taken a new X5 pic, and removed the obvious.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hornbag
04-08-2006, 02:50 AM
Those Volvo inspired seat adjustment buttons, that's if it is the new X5, are just that, very Volvoish. For that reason, I don't think this is the new X5. But if it is, it looks ok inside so far!

Omar
04-08-2006, 05:19 AM
The Siemens pic is not of the new X5. if you look back earlier in the thread, there are pics of the interior.<p><br>This was posted by Stint, and was the picture with the yellow towel covering the middle of the dashboard. Unfortunately, they're not available to see anymore.<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5:26 PM 6/4/2005 <p>hi guys. some interior shots:<p><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_01.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_01.jpg</A> <br><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_02.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_02.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_03.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_03.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_04.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://7.pichold.com/cs_x5_04.jpg</A> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Another pic, you can see the vents are totally different to the air vents in the Siemens pic:<br><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss//IMG_1683.jpg" BORDER="0">

enit
04-08-2006, 05:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Omar</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>Another pic, you can see the vents are totally different to the air vents in the Siemens pic:<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks. So, it's not E70 X5. But what then? RFK?<p>It is something of more expensive range: <br>- all the upper dash is covered in leather, <br>- the central console layout - the light brown part with HVAC controls - is set for wood or aluminium trim,<br>- the dashboard trim ahead of passanger looks like plenty amount of alu to me<p>Scott, help us. <p>

BMW MFreak
04-08-2006, 07:34 AM
This is another dashboard study from Siemens VDO. They often take some actual dashboards or some elements of current dashboards and mix them. They use those dashboards to show future technical developments in car electrics. I've often seen such a study of the i-Drive before it was shown in the E65.