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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 11:03 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1059781981" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....81981</A><p>Going to deibut in one month so I didn't move over too much:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>:: copic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>kk, ur right man, I just thought, they're so old anyways -<br>and the M is already presented. But nvm, here are the pics (gonna post sum G-pic in the G-Class-thread) 8-)<p><IMG SRC="http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/73/832873/1024_3439636161653438.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/73/832873/1024_3063383534323431.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/73/832873/1024_6164323865376361.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/73/832873/1024_6262623966363434.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SuBaRu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>in MBUSA's gst flash presentation, the 'docufilm:design' shows the designers of the GST looking around an interior of a gst car, do u think this is the production version ??? <p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/driven/gst.gif" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/driven/gst2.gif" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://members.lycos.co.uk/husseindesign/gst-interior.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54460.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54461.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54463.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54464.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54465.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54466.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>SOURCE: <A HREF="http://www.autobild.de" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autobild.de</A><p>Continue the discussion here until the car debuts.

vivaki
12-20-2004, 04:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Going to debut in one month so I didn't move over too much<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>The R class in going to debut next month? Is that confirmed? <p>

skoochythatone
12-20-2004, 05:01 PM
I actually dont like when cars are released..haha..for some reason I am always sad when the whole "taking spypics-seeing the evolution" process is over. But I cant actually wait for the R-Class to be presented. Ive caught and seen it so many times...I finally wanna know whats underneath and how much of the two concepts was being put in the production model.

jro4566
12-20-2004, 07:16 PM
Reminds me of the Pacifica in the rear and side views, but that's not a bad thing. And are they comparing it to the fastest SUV in the 3rd picture (Infiniti FX)?

Snake Vargas
12-20-2004, 07:29 PM
The overall proportions remind me of the Australian and Japanese Odyssey, very sleek. It's one of the few people movers I would consider as attractive. I like it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/54461.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/odyssey/photo-lib/image/photo04.jpg" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
12-21-2004, 06:37 AM
i'm just wondering whether the interior would change again. Because there were pictures of a different interior in the latest video released at the gst site.

copic
12-21-2004, 06:56 AM
R-Class looks way better, definitely ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

bm88
12-21-2004, 11:57 AM
I am still a little woried that all these niche's that MB are making are ones that wont be succesful.<p>Since the Pacifica is in the same class of car, how well does that sell?

Pedigreepaul
12-21-2004, 01:17 PM
Aaaah.. Can't wait.. Such a nice car..

skoochythatone
12-21-2004, 04:05 PM
THE PACIFICA IS NOT RELATED TO THE GST AND IS NOT THE SAME CLASS OF CAR! ONCE AND FOR ALL!<p>The GST or R-Class will create a whole new segment of cars. Thats the idea behind it. If you have been following the DC press releases you would know that by bringing out the GST, MB will merge high end sedans(like the S-Class) with the sportiness of an SUV(M-Class) and the interior space of a big stationwagon. The Pacifica is simply a lower sitting SUV, and an ugly one, too if you ask me.

jro4566
12-21-2004, 04:59 PM
Yes they are not in the same class, but some Americans might indeed cross-shop both of them.

autonutt
12-25-2004, 07:10 PM
"The Pacifica is simply a lower sitting SUV, and an ugly one, too if you ask me."<p>Actually, that's not true at all. In fact, the Pacifica is simply a SUV-styled minivan, much as the Pontiac Aztek/Buick Rendezvous are. There is no SUV componentry in the Pacifica, the AWD system it uses is borrowed from the Town & Country minivan (which, incidentally, no longer offers AWD for 2005 in order to avoid direct competition with (and stealing sales from) the Pacifica).

husseindesign
12-25-2004, 09:13 PM
kinda old images I did for GCF's Spyshots section<p><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6040806.001/6040806.001.1L.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>infos: <A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6040806.001/mercedes/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s....html</A><p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6040427.001/6040427.001.1L.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6040427.001/6040427.001.Mini1L.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>Infos: <A HREF="http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6040427.001/mercedes/1.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.germancarfans.com/s....html</A>

spwolf
12-26-2004, 03:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MOORHOUSE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am still a little woried that all these niche's that MB are making are ones that wont be succesful.<p>Since the Pacifica is in the same class of car, how well does that sell?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are right - Pacifica is same TYPE of car, although in lower class. While in past 10 years we have seen an huge number of new kind of vehicles, upper class cars have been ones that changed the least. This is why LS sells so well in the US - upper class is more conservative.<p>Then you have ppl who have enough money to buy those things, but they preffer flashier cars so we have bunch of luxury SUVs running around.<p>I am not sure what kind of pricing this thing will have, but if I could chose between E class, ML and this, I would rather get ML if I needed SUV or E class if I need sedan...

Cozz
12-26-2004, 06:24 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You are right - Pacifica is same TYPE of car, although in lower class. While in past 10 years we have seen an huge number of new kind of vehicles, upper class cars have been ones that changed the least. This is why LS sells so well in the US - upper class is more conservative.<p>Then you have ppl who have enough money to buy those things, but they preffer flashier cars so we have bunch of luxury SUVs running around.<p>I am not sure what kind of pricing this thing will have, but if I could chose between E class, ML and this, I would rather get ML if I needed SUV or E class if I need sedan...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, the real reason that the Pacifica wasn't a hit is because Chrysler came out with more expensive models. This somewhat scared most customers because it was not usual to see $40K+ Chyslers at the dealer. Chrysler then made cheaper Pacificas with less features, then they started to sell but the damage was done. This is why the 300 and Magnum were availible with less options... so the same mistake won't happen again.<p>Also, the real reason the LS sells so well is because it's cheaper. Put it in the same price range as the Gremans and it will be harder to sell.

taskbearer
12-29-2004, 02:51 AM
This people mover is as unnecesary and meaningless as the CLS. MB's new niches are kind of boring. The only thing that would have justified the R-class exixtense is the spectacular interior of the GST concept. Now MB would just put in a modified M-class interior. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
12-29-2004, 04:07 AM
Have you actually sat in a CLS or driven one? Because if you would have, you wouldve not said such a thing. The CLS is the most stunning car I have driven in a long time, and trust me, Ive driven a lot of cars, simply of my profession...so go try a CLS out for a day or something and then come back here excusing yourself for such a naive post.<p>The GST on the other hand might cause different reactions. I believe that it will indeed be a big success. It is a big, luxurious and sporty car with a lot of space. It is designed for people that dont want the usual MiniVan look but also dont wanna own a big sedan. It combines both luxury Mercedes-Benz interior with sleek, elegant and sporty design and will sure turn heads everywhere it goes. When it comes out, go sit in one..the feeling of space you get in one is amazing.

RikfromBelgium
12-29-2004, 06:08 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have you actually sat in a CLS or driven one? Because if you would have, you wouldve not said such a thing. The CLS is the most stunning car I have driven in a long time, and trust me, Ive driven a lot of cars, simply of my profession...so go try a CLS out for a day or something and then come back here excusing yourself for such a naive post.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>A car can be useless and still look good you know. ( at least the middle part, I'm not sure about the front and rear )<p><br>

velsatis
12-30-2004, 02:18 AM
Great looking, the Mercedes new style is very nice and I can't wait to see more.<p>Note: Do the bmw fans have nightmares with Mercedes? I looks like it, cause they always post on MB topics to criticise, even when they like it they always have a <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> but.... <br>Just a reminder, you say its stupid all the niche cars, well if you think better bmw is doing the same...im I wrong? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
12-30-2004, 04:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Note: Do the bmw fans have nightmares with Mercedes? I looks like it, cause they always post on MB topics to criticise, even when they like it they always have a <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> but.... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Like there are no MB-fans active in the BMW topics <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br>Just a reminder, you say its stupid all the niche cars, well if you think better bmw is doing the same...im I wrong? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I was talking about the CLS, as far as I know bmw still hasn't got a second 5 series.<p>Considering the R-class, yes BMW are developing a car that may seem simular at first glance. But I believe the RFK will offer much more individuality and sportiness for it to differ itself from the hundreds of MPV's that excist today, something I think the R-class just doesn't do.

Cozz
12-30-2004, 06:55 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Like there are no MB-fans active in the BMW topics <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I was talking about the CLS, as far as I know bmw still hasn't got a second 5 series.<p><b>Considering the R-class, yes BMW are developing a car that may seem simular at first glance. But I believe the RFK will offer much more individuality and sportiness for it to differ itself from the hundreds of MPV's that excist today, something I think the R-class just doesn't do.</b> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>It's amazing how much you know with so little info out there. How is BMW going to make it different? Give a sportier drive? Kinda stupid, no?

RikfromBelgium
12-30-2004, 07:47 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It's amazing how much you know with so little info out there. How is BMW going to make it different? Give a sportier drive? Kinda stupid, no?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wel, BMW already gave all the info we need. <br>The looks:<br> they were pissed of when AMS came up with an impression based on inside info. Although propably not 100% accurate, the reacton of the BMW board showed they're not that far of.<br>And it already looks much sportier and different on that impression.<p>The sportyness:<br>BMW-board have said the RFK will not suffer in agility and driving-fun because of it's size. If it doesn't drive as good asn any BMW, they won't make it. The praised handling of the X5 shows that BMW can create a bigger though still sporty car. <br> <p>( <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> 300 posts <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> )

Ascariss
01-04-2005, 06:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>It's amazing how much you know with so little info out there. How is BMW going to make it different? Give a sportier drive? Kinda stupid, no?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well unlike the R class, which is more van like with a van like interior, the RFK is supposed to be more sedan/wagon like with its interior, is that a good thing, how should i know, i ain't in marketing nor am i buying any of these cars now. Will they both sell, yes of course, why cuz they are premium. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
02-11-2005, 09:16 PM
Source: DCX Media<p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/836498f2004f5601_35__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/836487f2004f5590_32a__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/836476f2004f5590_31a__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>The new Mercedes-Benz R-Class in the world's largest climatic wind tunnel<p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/83644305c340_15__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/83643405b537__mid.jpg" BORDER="0">

Player4
02-20-2005, 07:22 PM
<B>'06 Mercedes-Benz R-Class<br><I>The best view yet of the Alabama-based crossover.</I></B><p><I>GST, Grand Sports Tourer, Vision, W251. Call it what you want to call it, this is Mercedes' newest luxury crossover - now referred to as the R-Class. And these pictures - with only a few inches of tape covering the Mercedes star and parts of the lights - show more styling details than ever before.<p>The R-Class will be built along side the new M-Class and G-Class SUVs at the Mercedes facility in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and will arrive late in 2005 for the 2006 model year.<br></I><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9166_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9167_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p>Source&gt; <A HREF="http://www.TheCarConnection.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.TheCarConnection.com</A>

Chickpig
02-21-2005, 05:10 AM
Wow that front spy shot looks so cool! it's gonna be one big and nicely designed car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
02-21-2005, 06:22 AM
WOW! Looks amazing! That spyshot is very recent, its taken at the Mercedes-Technology Center here in Sindelfingen and cannot be older than a week, cuz we had snow like that here for the past week, just now it is snowing like in the pictures. <br>

copic
02-21-2005, 02:31 PM
nice pics ... saw a similar one (silver) yesterday, looks pretty nice and huuuge ...

PHYMB
02-21-2005, 02:49 PM
Is that the short or the long wheelbase one?

Cozz
02-21-2005, 03:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PHYMB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is that the short or the long wheelbase one?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't think they are going to offer different wheel bases on the R-Classe, or is there something I missed?

Tidal
02-21-2005, 03:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't think they are going to offer different wheel bases on the R-Classe, or is there something I missed?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>They will. The lwb is going to be more oriented to us drivers, the swb to europeans, although i think both will be sold in both markets. It's all in the size, americans do prefer their cars bigger/more spacious, here in europe they don't do so well. I think the difference is going to be of around 6/7 inches.<br>I'm so looking forward to seeing this car, the R vision was so cool imo.

Charger
03-04-2005, 03:59 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050303.010/2050303.010.Mini3L.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: GCF

Cozz
03-04-2005, 06:00 PM
That pic is from DCX Media on diesel engines. There are 3 or 4 pics availible.

Hornbag
03-04-2005, 06:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Source: DCX Media<p><IMG SRC="http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/836476f2004f5590_31a__mid.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>The new Mercedes-Benz R-Class in the world's largest climatic wind tunnel<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>WOW, that car looks 'cool' LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Cozz
03-04-2005, 06:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>WOW, that car looks 'cool' LOL <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I give you an "A" for effort. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Hornbag
03-04-2005, 07:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I give you an "A" for effort. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, thanks, i think.................... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">