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Ascariss
12-16-2004, 10:57 PM
old thread:<br><A HREF="http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=spy&action=display&num=1087428297" TARGET="_blank">http://carspyshots.proboards2....28297</A><p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk//Car/Mercedes-Benz/S-class/7124462323.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Mercedes-Benz will take the luxury car to a new level with the sixth-generation S-class, <b>revealed here ahead of its world debut at Septembers Frankfurt Motor Show</b>. Ditching the familiar appearance of todays six-year-old model, the new S-class, codenamed W221, adopts a leaner, more edgy look. While the shape of the front end is refreshingly sleek, the rear has more than a passing resemblance to the Maybach ber-limo.<p>At the forefront of the S-classs technological offensive is a series of new safety features that form part of Mercedes upgraded Pre-Safe system. They include an early warning set-up that uses an upgraded Distronic cruise control system to identify objects in front of the car. When it detects a car pulling in front suddenly at motorway speeds, it automatically triggers the Pre-Safe system, tightening the seat belts, moving the seats to a pre-determined position and closing the windows. The same process is triggered when the ESP (electronic stability program) determines a total loss of traction for a prolonged period.<p>The new S-class will also be <b>equipped with a lane-departure system</b> which will monitor road markings and warn about unintended lane changes. Also set for introduction is an <b>optional night vision system</b>, which projects enhanced images of the road ahead onto a dashboard monitor. Mercs system is based around a newly developed infra-red sensor that is claimed to identify objects quicker and deliver much sharper images than existing thermal systems.<p>Inside, Mercedes plans to improve the S-classs already impressive safety credentials with a knee airbag, together with improved front, side and curtain bags.<p>The S-class will also get a boost in performance. In come Mercedes <b>new four-valve-per-cylinder V6 and V8 engines</b>, replacing the existing three-valve-per-cylinder units. From the outset there will be a <b>3.5-litre V6 as well as 4.6-litre and 5.5-litre V8s</b>. Later on there are plans to extend the range of engines with a <b>twin-turbocharged version of the new 5.5-litre V8</b> and, as with todays model, a similarly configured <b>V12</b>.<p>Topping the line-up will be a tweaked version of todays <b>6.5-litre V12</b> from AMG. It is rumoured to produce up to <b>630bhp</b> and a massive <b>810lb ft of torque</b>. Of greater importance to UK buyers will be two new common-rail diesel engines. They include a <b>3.0-litre V6</b> in place of todays 3.2-litre in-line six and a new <b>4.0-litre V8</b> that replaces todays similarly sized engine (which is not available in the UK).<p>All models will get Mercedes <b>7G-Tronic seven-speed automatic gearbox, with the lever mounted on the steering column</b> and operated by a new shift-by-wire arrangement. This set-up was first aired on the R-class concept, which uses the space freed up between the driver and front-seat passenger for additional oddment stowage areas.<p>Rear-wheel drive will be supplemented by an optional 4Matic four-wheel-drive system. Problems with the hydraulic-electric SBC braking system (see panel, right) forced Merc to revert to traditional hydraulic stoppers. However, they will be upgraded to include wet braking (where the calipers are lightly applied in wet conditions to clear water from the discs) and a development of the traffic-jam friendly stop-and-start braking system, used on the E-class.<p>Also included is a further development of ESP and new-generation anti-lock brakes, the latter reworked so that the pulsating effect felt through the pedal when it kicks in is reduced.<p>More aluminium ensures weight wont be much up on the 1735kg of todays entry-level S350 petrol. And, in keeping with tradition, there will be standard and long-wheelbase versions. UK sales begin at the end of 2005. <p><IMG SRC="http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car/Mercedes-Benz/S-class/7124462855.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Source: Autocar<p><IMG SRC="http://www.bmh-images.com/english/photos/2004/mercedes_s/04.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.bmh-images.com/english/photos/2004/mercedes_s/05.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.bmh-images.com/english/photos/2004/mercedes_s/06.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.bmh-images.com/english/photos/2004/mercedes_s/07.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(Source: <A HREF="http://www.bmh-images.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bmh-images.com</A>)<p><A HREF="http://web1.berlin205.server4free.de/MB_Galerie/Galerie/Luxusklasse/W221/W221_002.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://web1.berlin205.server4f...2.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://web1.berlin205.server4free.de/MB_Galerie/Galerie/Luxusklasse/W221/W221_001.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://web1.berlin205.server4f...1.jpg</A><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>:: copic</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>allright, although it seems to be a quickie, it was almst 2 hours of hard work, it's daamn hard to clean up such disguised cars ...so sorry for the quality, really not my best chop ::)<p><IMG SRC="http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/73/832873/1024_6639663766376135.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>moved over most of the good stuff, talk about it here.

skoochythatone
12-20-2004, 03:52 PM
I cant believe all the posts from the old forum are gone..oh well..lets continue here.<br>Dan, can you state what the signs said which companies are in that industrial park you saw the Sclass pull into in Filderstadt/Germany?

Fangorious Reborn
12-20-2004, 06:22 PM
that chop overexxageratted the size of the headlights a bit

skoochythatone
12-21-2004, 01:57 AM
Couldnt agree with you more. The new S-Class will once again set the standards in its class new. 7series, A8 and the Lexus models are sure nice cars, but when it comes to new innovative technologies, sleek sporty yet elegant design, the S-Class is THE car. Bye bye BMW...

Walker
12-21-2004, 05:45 PM
It seems like the new car is going to look much like the current Maybach, but does anyone remember from around a year ago the rumors of a smaller and less expensive future Maybach model? Where would this S class leave that model? In my opinion Maybachs already look too close to their much less expensive Mercedes siblings, this S class looks like its going to continue the trend.

The Water Is Poison
12-22-2004, 04:13 AM
The chop does look good although the grill should be slightly smaller. This'll be a great looking car

JBlair
12-22-2004, 07:47 PM
Originality does not necessarily translate into better or more likeable. (witness the 7-series)

PlatForm
12-29-2004, 02:18 AM
The rear design look like a Maybach car and i don't think its nice to use the design at this S-class.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:30 PM 1/3/2005</i>

Cozz
12-29-2004, 07:20 AM
Sales speak for them selves. And when you have the oldest car in it's class yet being the most expensive yet outsells everything else... that speak for itself. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 12:05 PM 12/29/2004</i>

skoochythatone
12-29-2004, 01:39 PM
Saw a prototype tonight. The one little strip on the side of the headlights is lit up at night with bright orange leds. Or at least something really bright, must be LEDs. Looks like the 5series headlights orange sides.

taskbearer
12-30-2004, 03:42 AM
For me the most elegant looking car in this class has to be the Audi A8 without the sheild grille. This S-class is looking like a winner, but would not match the A8's masterpiece interior.

the future
12-30-2004, 03:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(...) but would not match the A8's masterpiece interior.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>How do you know? Have you already seen a picture of the final W221's interior? You are absolutely right that the A8's interior is a piece of art. In my opinion it's the most beautiful interior from today. But you can't make prejudices on the W221's interior

taskbearer
12-30-2004, 04:06 AM
Make prejudices..............<p>The spyshots already show a furniture-like layout for the W221's interior, it might turn out better than the 7 but will never match A8's perfect blend of retro, mechanical, and modern. Except MB finalize an interior radically different from the spyshots.

Reppu
12-31-2004, 03:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Make prejudices..............<p>The spyshots already show a furniture-like layout for the W221's interior, it might turn out better than the 7 but will never match A8's perfect blend of retro, mechanical, and modern. Except MB finalize an interior radically different from the spyshots. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Plus to that, MB has never been interior design specialist, they use to be functional and boring (exception made the current E class). I think the A8 will still reign regarding this.

Hornbag
01-01-2005, 12:27 AM
OMG, is thats a Holden in the 3rd picture up the top, below the 2 pictures that have the red autocar on them?

taskbearer
01-01-2005, 01:23 AM
Thats a 1986-93 opel omega <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.trader.pl/view-picture.asp?FileName=Original/3/5/2/460700854100720040022042-2-171601.JPG&Width=640&Height=480" BORDER="0">

[AP]adiweb
01-01-2005, 11:04 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Hornbag_1</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OMG, is thats a Holden in the 3rd picture up the top, below the 2 pictures that have the red autocar on them?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Whats so amazing about that?

Hornbag
01-01-2005, 06:42 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Thats a 1986-93 opel omega</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for that taskbearer. Didnt realise Opel had a VERY similar design to the old Commodore.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>adiweb</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Whats so amazing about that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, since the number plate is not Australian (on the Merc) it surprised me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> . No need to bight my head off. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

Charger
01-02-2005, 12:19 PM
<IMG SRC="http://autotelegraaf.nl/vanonzeredactie/images/30883.1.gen.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>source: autotelegraaf

Charger
01-02-2005, 06:54 PM
<A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8758_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8759_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7868&sid=178&n=158" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...n=158</A><br>

AM2K
01-02-2005, 06:58 PM
Wheres the "undisguised dashboard shot" they go on about...<p>Not very nice chops of the lights either...

Chickpig
01-03-2005, 01:03 AM
car connection is off. The S-class wouldn't look like that. Autobilds are more accurate.

Santeno
01-03-2005, 11:14 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">car connection is off. The S-class wouldn't look like that. Autobilds are more accurate. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>And you know this how?<p>Both sets of renderings appear to be following the same general design. and both also seem to be rather close to the ever more uncovered mules that we've caught testing. I don't think that either is exact, but surely they are both close to the final design.

spwolf
01-03-2005, 03:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cozz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sales speak for them selves. And when you have the oldest car in it's class yet being the most expensive yet outsells everything else... that speak for itself. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br><i>Modified by Santeno at 12:05 PM 12/29/2004</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>where exactly does it outsell everything else? Both A8 and 7 series outsell it in Germany and LS has more than double outsold it in US... Thats two most important markets for MB... ooops.

velsatis
01-03-2005, 04:27 PM
Spwolf: "where exactly does it outsell everything else? Both A8 and 7 series outsell it in Germany and LS has more than double outsold it in US... Thats two most important markets for MB... ooops."<p>Should I remind you that it just hapened since November? and if you consider that it is in the market since 1998 and its about to be replaced we must consider that it rules in its category.....if bmw and audi's 7 and A8 respectively do so well as the S-Class after 6 years in the market I will give you an <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> , untill then....<p>You keep talking about the interior but I still didn't saw it could you please post that pic??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

LEXUS FAN!
01-03-2005, 05:16 PM
that is a CGI?

jro4566
01-03-2005, 05:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that is a CGI?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Photochop, I think.

spwolf
01-03-2005, 08:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spwolf: "where exactly does it outsell everything else? Both A8 and 7 series outsell it in Germany and LS has more than double outsold it in US... Thats two most important markets for MB... ooops."<p>Should I remind you that it just hapened since November? and if you consider that it is in the market since 1998 and its about to be replaced we must consider that it rules in its category.....if bmw and audi's 7 and A8 respectively do so well as the S-Class after 6 years in the market I will give you an <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> , untill then....<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh how the mighty have fallen. The fact that Audi sells more A8's than MB S classes is the sign how weakened the brand is in Germany... something like this never could have happened 5 years ago... Unlike its direct competitors, MB has been activly loosing share in the german market...<p>At the end, even in Europe this class is becoming extinct though (sales levels are all time low), so other products will matter more to MB... Nevertheless, S class has always been the flagship of automotive world in past, and hopefully MB manages to relight that fire...

knihc2008
01-03-2005, 11:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>spwolf</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>oh how the mighty have fallen. The fact that Audi sells more A8's than MB S classes is the sign how weakened the brand is in Germany... something like this never could have happened 5 years ago... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, 5 years ago, the S-class was brand new, and the A8 wasn't. how can we possibly expect a 6-year-old car to outsell brand-new cars? even for a six-year-old car, i would say it's selling pretty strongly, esp after that update.<p>the new one should sell even better.

Reppu
01-04-2005, 12:15 AM
I'm anything but a MB lover, but come on, we all know that when the new S comes out, it will be the top seller in it's class again.

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 05:16 AM
yes, the new S-class will make the sales climb. No doubt about that.<br>But the fact that the A8 and 7 series have taken over in Europe for now isn't that obvious. The gap between MB and BMW in sales has never been this small. Not even with the introduction of previous generations.<br>It may be that the S-class will lead the segment once again. But I doubt it will ever do that again like it did in the past or as long as it did in the past.<br>But that's my opinion

wunderkind
01-04-2005, 05:49 AM
I definitely think that thw new W221 S Class will beat all comers (Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Lexus, and even the Bentley Mid-Sized S Class rival).<p>Mercedes is just too good in this segment. With the new range of petrol and diesel engines, the new S Class will be even harder to beat. BMW and Audi excel in only ONE aspect and thats vehicle dynamics. Even in this aspect, its only by a small margin and they ride worse than today's S Class).<p>Information to date have all reported the W221 will be even more sporty!!! No doubt Mercedes is aiming at Audi and BMW customers and also leave room for a "Mini Maybach 53" between the S Class and the 57 & 63 Maybachs.

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 05:53 AM
a mini maybach would be just stupid. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

bucket
01-04-2005, 06:04 AM
it's no secret that the engineers at mercedes are willing to sacrifice handling for comfort. it has been this way for years. mercedes has always been about comfort and luxury first and foremost, with sportiness as an afterthought.<p>it's funny that how parallel the japanese luxury big three are running with the german luxury big three. <p>lexus/toyota are like mercedes, catering to comfort and luxury first. styling is rarely experimental, but is almost always eye-pleasing.<p>infiniti/nissan are like bmw, putting sportiness first and throwing in bits of luxury as a bonus. they're not afraid to try new styling.<p>honda/acura are like audi, making sedate FWD/AWD vehicles. they're not really breaking any new ground or taking huge risks, but they are making solid vehicles that sell well and are almost as luxurious/sporty as their competitors.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by bucket at 5:10 AM 1/4/2005</i>

wunderkind
01-04-2005, 06:18 AM
To a certain extent, I agree with your comment that a Maybach 53 in the current Maybach guises is pointless.<p>But consider a large sedan that not only offers luxury, outstanding performance but also personalisation, and the styling thats more akin to the CLS. All cars in the upper luxury segment are BOXES!!!!<p>At 5.3 metres long and 4 doors, the Mercedes stylists can really give it a more angled windscreen, the low, soft shrinkwrapped roofline while maintaining decent head room for the rear passengers. The stylists can also get rid of the 'metal' above the tyres and flare the front and rear wings to give it that sports car proportions. The front and rear doors should be proportioned so that it will be more coupe than sedan. Again, the CLS coupoon concept.<p>I think something like this will kill the bentley Conti GT and MSB.<p>I'm dreaming of course <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/sleep.gif" BORDER="0">

bucket
01-04-2005, 06:21 AM
a maybach quad coupe with a convertible variant would probably sell relatively well, but it's definitely not going to happen until the W221-derived maybach hits the market.

wunderkind
01-04-2005, 06:28 AM
4 door cabriolets are near impossible to engineer. Especially if you make it out of steel or deriving it from a existing closed top platform. You just cant make those buckets (sorry for the pun) stiff enough..................<p>I have seen a old chopped top 750il's in Miami. They are awful. They have to add an unsightly roll bar to add rigidity to the structure. They ride like a wheel barrel on normal roads and you probably need to wear a mouthguard when it goes over bumpps and potholes!!<p>All I can say is, stay away from making a 4 door cabrio!!!!

velsatis
01-04-2005, 07:04 AM
RikfromBelgium: "The gap between MB and BMW in sales has never been this small. Not even with the introduction of previous generations."<p>Do the new 1-Series and X3 tell you something? these 2 models are the reason why the gap between these 2 brands is smaller, is that a failure from Mercedes? I don't think so, it's just a wider range from bmw that explains this closing gap. If bmw wasin't improving it's sells dispite new models that would be a failure, but dispite this situation the new A-Class and M-class will fix the situation (A-Class already 2nd best sold car in Germany in November with around 10.500 units sold). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

Naga Royal Guard
01-04-2005, 07:20 AM
cut this out, Now

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 10:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RikfromBelgium: "The gap between MB and BMW in sales has never been this small. Not even with the introduction of previous generations."<p>Do the new 1-Series and X3 tell you something? these 2 models are the reason why the gap between these 2 brands is smaller, is that a failure from Mercedes? I don't think so, it's just a wider range from bmw that explains this closing gap. If bmw wasin't improving it's sells dispite new models that would be a failure, but dispite this situation the new A-Class and M-class will fix the situation (A-Class already 2nd best sold car in Germany in November with around 10.500 units sold). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Who's talking about the entire segment? It's about the S-class <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-04-2005, 11:15 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, the new S-class will make the sales climb. No doubt about that.<br>But the fact that the A8 and 7 series have taken over in Europe for now isn't that obvious. The gap between MB and BMW in sales has never been this small. Not even with the introduction of previous generations.<br>It may be that the S-class will lead the segment once again. But I doubt it will ever do that again like it did in the past or as long as it did in the past.<br>But that's my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>They'd have to fix the whole ugly as a horse's behind-factor for the 7-series before it could compete.

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 11:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>They'd have to fix the whole ugly as a horse's behind-factor for the 7-series before it could compete. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That "whole ugly as a horse behind-factor" was the best selling car in it's segment for most of the year in Germany, the second biggest market. Unprecedented.

JBlair
01-04-2005, 11:25 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That "whole ugly as a horse behind-factor" was the best selling car in it's segment for most of the year in Germany, the second biggest market. Unprecedented. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't really care about how it sells in Germany, that whole 'look' doesn't really fly well in the US. (I mean, even little kids think the car is gross looking) But anywho, it'll be interesting to see how these two compare when the new s-class is released, and how BMW will react when the current 7er body shell is replaced.

RikfromBelgium
01-04-2005, 11:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't really care about how it sells in Germany, that whole 'look' doesn't really fly well in the US. (I mean, even little kids think the car is gross looking) But anywho, it'll be interesting to see how these two compare when the new s-class is released, and how BMW will react when the current 7er body shell is replaced.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>let's stop it here, discussing the looks is useless, you don't like it, I do. The new AMS issue wil compare the new S-class to the facelifted 7. That should be a nice read. I'll make some scan's and let you know.

taskbearer
01-05-2005, 01:24 AM
Toyota's secrecy orund the LS is just outstanding,no one knows what the next Lexus LS would look like. Lexus might just pull one off their hats as they can learn from the developments of the competition without the competition having any idea what they're doing.

RikfromBelgium
01-05-2005, 05:33 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>taskbearer</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toyota's secrecy orund the LS is just outstanding,no one knows what the next Lexus LS would look like. Lexus might just pull one off their hats as they can learn from the developments of the competition without the competition having any idea what they're doing.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They're propably just waiting untill the S and 7 arrive, so they have something to "base" their car on <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
01-05-2005, 06:07 AM
Rik, i don't think that's fair. LS is an amazingly good car by itself, no matter if the styling is borrowed (which indeed is).

Blackraven
01-05-2005, 06:13 AM
Damn, even Mercedes is copying Honda's safety features.<p>Features such as Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS), IHCC, Night vision and even Honda's HIDS system are being copied by tons of car companies.<p>No originality.<p>What the heck, I can't do anything about it.<p>Just hope it will look nice and I hope that the the steering wheel on that thing doesn't look like the new ML.

RikfromBelgium
01-05-2005, 06:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Reppu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rik, i don't think that's fair. LS is an amazingly good car by itself, no matter if the styling is borrowed (which indeed is).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Indeed, the car is very reliable and offers a lot of car for less money. BUT the looks are, let's say, borrewed, the interior although it has some quality, lacks class and style.<br>And the only reason they are so reliable is because they just don't use new, homemade technology on it. Most of it they just wait untill the other brands have worked out the problems, and than have their version. Unless somebody can give me an example of a contribution of Lexus-technology in the last couple of years.

badman
01-05-2005, 09:16 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><b>Posted by Blackraven:</b><br>Damn, even Mercedes is copying Honda's safety features.<br>Features such as Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS), IHCC, Night vision and even Honda's HIDS system are being copied by tons of car companies.<p>No originality.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well, effective safety features will always be copied, no matter who comes up with them. Anti-lock brakes, airbags and all the other active and passive safety features available these days, they all were invented by one manufacturer and then "copied" by everyone else.

husseindesign
01-05-2005, 09:29 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Blackraven</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn, even Mercedes is copying Honda's safety features.<br>Features such as Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS), IHCC, Night vision and even Honda's HIDS system are being copied by tons of car companies.<p>No originality.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Oh come on.. this MB bashing thing is really getting annoying.. be reasonable!!<br>How many safty systems were invented by Mercedes and now you can see it on almost every car in the world?? not only MB, every other company that has inventes any new safety feature..<br>No talk about copies when it's about safty systems.<br>So when a car manufacturer invents a safety system to save the lives of the passenger, other companies shouldn't invent something similar and protect the lives of their passengers because that would not be original, right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

TennMB
01-05-2005, 01:23 PM
could you imagine the money Mercedes would have if they enforced the patent they hold on anti-lock brakes. Billions. Mercedes holds more safety patents than any other auto maker. That's a fact. They patented crumple zone technology in 1951. Electronic Stability Program is becoming ho hum technology, thanks to MB. Xenon lights, etc., etc. What was HOnda doing in 1951?

Santeno
01-05-2005, 01:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TennMB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">could you imagine the money Mercedes would have if they enforced the patent they hold on anti-lock brakes. Billions.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Actually you make more money by licensing your patents than by restricting their use. even if you wanted to "enforce" a patent, you would still have to prove that your patent (or part of it) was essentially copied. just using a similar idea is not normally enough.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TennMB</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What was HOnda doing in 1951?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Building 50cc scooters if I recall correctly (they were only 3 years old at the time). What's your point?<p>Both companies have come a very long way in different amount of time and through very different roads. they both deserve great deals of credit for their capabilities and for their engineering expertise. let's not turn this into yet another pissing contest and everyon...<p>GET BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE.

spwolf
01-05-2005, 05:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Indeed, the car is very reliable and offers a lot of car for less money. BUT the looks are, let's say, borrewed, the interior although it has some quality, lacks class and style.<br>And the only reason they are so reliable is because they just don't use new, homemade technology on it. Most of it they just wait untill the other brands have worked out the problems, and than have their version. Unless somebody can give me an example of a contribution of Lexus-technology in the last couple of years. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>First of all Lexus/Toyota does not borrow technology - they make their own. Toyota's active cruise control is best on market and can work at low speeds that other system's can not. 7 series doesnt even have an pre-collision system, unlike PCS in Lexus LS which is also currently most advanced on the market. Lexus front seats heat and COOL, unlike BMW which just vents air (not cooled). Then to the back passangers - LS rear seats power slide, they are both heated and cooled, with memory and massager. Lexus also includes a best-in-business Mark Leinson audio system, on 7" dvd navigation with bluetooth, you also get an long time benefit of color camera backup system when backing up.<p>In body construction, LS weights 400lbs less than 745i and has cd of only 0.25 (compared to 0.29 in BMW).<p>In fact, Lexus has more usable technology and luxury than BMW, which is why it sells better as well. Not only that, it is centuries ahead in reliability, even when loaded with technology...<p>Luxury and technology wise LS is way ahead of BMW - in fact, Toyota is one of the few automotive companies that do everything in house, unlike BMW which has to purchase diesel engines for MINI from...Toyota.<p>BMW should rather focus on mechanical side of the things, which is what people expect from them instead they engaged in technology race with MB, which in turn hurt both companies. In fact, Auto Bild's reliability ratings which are based on wide array of reports (both ADAC and TUV) put BMW at 14th place in Germany in 2004. In fact - long term reliability of BMW is pretty bad - in 4-7 year realibility ratings from german TUV (state owned technical inspection company) best BMW is 7 series which is... 42nd on the list, and 3 series is... 108th! This report has nothing to do with electrics, and hey, Toyota's are rated at 2nd, 5th, 2x 6th and 11th...oops!<p>I like BWM, I have owned BMW in past but your statement is just not accurate...<p>Now lets get back to talking about the new S-Class please.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 10:41 AM 1/6/2005</i>

skoochythatone
01-05-2005, 05:41 PM
Guys,<p>Lets stop this whole discussion about who is better and why. This forum is for carspyshots and the discussions should focus on the latest pics, design and possible engines and other things. <p>Isnt there a moderator to stop this bashing?

Roadster44
01-05-2005, 06:06 PM
Yeah this is an S-Class thread, go have your debates on other forums specifically designated for that. I think S-Class will blow the competition out of the water with their new toys, performance and emotional appeal. Therefore some of these arguments on here currently will be extinct. <p>Also I'd like to mention to Santemo that man I'm so sorry I ever got on your butt about "our issues", I totally see your views now based on what I've seen on this page. Kids!!!

Krypton
01-05-2005, 06:20 PM
well this is what happens when you get a toyota/lexus fanatic, BMW fanatic and Merc fanatic and put them in one thread<p>I cant wait for the s-class althought i wish the front was a bit more diferent than the current one and the interior doesnt look too hot

zwei Biere bitte
01-05-2005, 06:25 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JBlair</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't really care about how it sells in Germany, that whole 'look' doesn't really fly well in the US. (I mean, even little kids think the car is gross looking) But anywho, it'll be interesting to see how these two compare when the new s-class is released, and how BMW will react when the current 7er body shell is replaced.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Even though the looks according to you doesn't fly well here in the U.S, you do know the current 7er outsells the previous gen? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0">

sono81
01-05-2005, 07:54 PM
From the spy pics, I think this next Merc will be really good looking, but maybe too close to the maybach. I havn´t payed attention to the interior, but I guess it will be very functional, even if it has a boring look

Designo
01-05-2005, 08:44 PM
I like Mercedes <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/driver.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW: what are the odds of having an interior in the '06 S-Class being "different" that that of the early picture w/ the carbon-copy 7-series cabin? Will it most likely look significantly different, or is that rougly what we should expect? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
01-06-2005, 02:32 AM
Chances that it will be a lot different are small. There was only one picture of the interior and that was a really early prototype. Ive seen the interior at night all lit up, and let me tell you...it looks fantastic! I also dont think that it is copied of BMW's interior. I dont wanna start a whole new discussion here, I like some BMW models and wont bash them, but I believe MB is innovative enough to not let it seem as if it would be copied.<p>By the way, Ive heard several rumours that it will be released in March, not September. What confuses me though is that the sales people are trained on W221 in June here in Stuttgart, shouldnt the training be before the release?

T.B.
01-06-2005, 03:30 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By the way, Ive heard several rumours that it will be released in March, not September. What confuses me though is that the sales people are trained on W221 in June here in Stuttgart, shouldnt the training be before the release?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I guess an official press release with some photos will be out in March, and a car shown at Frankfurt Autoshow in September. Sales starts just after public presentation in September. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
01-06-2005, 06:47 AM
I cannot wait for this car to come out. It is the most exciting release of the year. Ive seen it so many times now driving around, first caught it in January 2003 all camouflaged. Ever since then Ive been following everything about it...argh..cannot wait anymore!

Designo
01-06-2005, 06:55 PM
I know that the S-Class is THE flagship for Mercedes, but why is it receiving such high-profile attention here????<p>Don't get me wrong- I LOVE Mercedes, ESPECIALLY the S-Class, but I'm just curious... didn't think a lot of people here would "like" the S-Class enough (because it's not as exciting as a BMW, Audi... etc)<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
01-06-2005, 10:17 PM
how about not b/c it is coming in summer 2006, and it takes 2-5 years to go from the drawing boards to production...and knowing lexus it is prob. more than 2 years

skoochythatone
01-07-2005, 01:04 AM
Ok guys..no joke: I drove through the street that I live in last night..and guess what was parked on the sidewalk with its lights on...the NEW SCLASS! In my street! I knew the guy who was in it, so I didnt bother to get out and snap pictures. But if he stops there once, he might do it again..<p>The car looked really super nice, the proportions are really good, the appearance is really exclusive. I dont know what else to say..haha

RS
01-07-2005, 01:15 AM
cool! so you have the pictures?

skoochythatone
01-07-2005, 03:58 AM
No, like I said..I knew the guy driving it and didnt wanna get him in trouble. If I see him with it again I will ask him for a short glimpse.

vivaki
01-07-2005, 05:48 AM
What need to know now is whether it will debut at Geneva or at Frankfurt...

VexedandGlorious
01-07-2005, 01:59 PM
i think we will see it at frankfurt

RS
01-07-2005, 02:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, like I said..I knew the guy driving it and didnt wanna get him in trouble. If I see him with it again I will ask him for a short glimpse.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Sorry, I missread it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/all_coholic.gif" BORDER="0">

protocatcher
01-07-2005, 02:28 PM
I have a nice interior shot .....but i cant show i here ....sorry...but Ascariss has seen it so he knows its no BS.

vivaki
01-07-2005, 02:47 PM
Protocacther, have you sold the picture on? If so do you know whether Autoexpress will have it or Autocar? Any ideas?<p>Also, can you tell us anything about this interior pic? where you caught it? How different is it to the last interior pic? (which I think you also took, right?)

protocatcher
01-08-2005, 02:28 PM
The pics are sold , yes and they should have been with the pics on CarConnection (the interior pic they are talking about in the texture is the one) Will probably be in AE too.<br>I saw the prototype parked and when the driver opened the door , i just drove there and took some shots..hehe..they didnt like it and closed VERY fast again and drove off .

vivaki
01-08-2005, 04:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>protocatcher</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The pics are sold , yes and they should have been with the pics on CarConnection (the interior pic they are talking about in the texture is the one) Will probably be in AE too.<br>I saw the prototype parked and when the driver opened the door , i just drove there and took some shots..hehe..they didnt like it and closed VERY fast again and drove off .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thanks for replying...<p>Cool! Pics will therefore be in Autoexpress next week hopefully. Was this interior any different to the interior pic seen before?<p>Also, you say that you took some shots.....can I purchase the others? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
01-09-2005, 03:45 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.siregos.ch/bmw/ams1-6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.siregos.ch/bmw/ams3-6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.siregos.ch/bmw/ams4-6.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/GBOY/ViV.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: ams

Top Secret
01-09-2005, 04:18 AM
Those chops aren't on the money. AutoBild and Auto Zeitung have the most similar chops to the production S-Class, so don't hold ou breath for the S-Class looking like how AMS made them.

hollc004
01-09-2005, 02:58 PM
It would be incredicle if they were on the moeny and the production was scaled and carried out. I think they need to make this move to overcome their ever growing situation in the luxury saloon market. They need a little more class at the mo does are mercedes. I think this would be a great ideas to a fleet of quality car <p>regards Hollc004

skoochythatone
01-11-2005, 03:24 AM
@Denali:<p>The S-Class is "over rated"? The S-Class is the number one selling car in its class. And no, I dont want to start that whole discussion about BMW, Audi and MB again. Just stating facts. I also like the other manufacturers models, dont get me wrong. But that comment by Denali sounds really uneducated and ignorant. Your post is also really confusing. You jump from CLS to CL and then back to the S-Class... The CLS is selling really really well so far and that car is really good. And the new S-Class(I know I repeat myself) will set new standards in its class...

RikfromBelgium
01-11-2005, 04:44 AM
Not to start another battle, but AMS compared 2004 sales worldwide and Germany from 7, S and CL and the serults were, shall I say very exciting <br>

Denali
01-11-2005, 05:06 AM
ok cool, imma kinda new, whats AMS?

RikfromBelgium
01-11-2005, 05:38 AM
Auto Motor und Sport, it's a German magazine

laurensbenz
01-11-2005, 07:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RikfromBelgium</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to start another battle, but AMS compared 2004 sales worldwide and Germany from 7, S and CL and the serults were, shall I say very exciting <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, they are exciting, cause they say:<p>World-wide sales of MB 955,000 and BMW on the other hand 920,000.<p>Furthermore the worldwide sales of S-class (incl. CL) is 53,000 and 42,000 for the 7.<br>--&gt; I don't think that the whole difference can be found in the included sales of the CL.<p>In Germany the 7 outsells the S-class by a minor 1,466 units and let's not forget the S-class is about to be changed completely (the 7 will get just a minor facelift)

RikfromBelgium
01-11-2005, 10:48 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>laurensbenz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yeah, they are exciting, cause they say:<p>World-wide sales of MB 955,000 and BMW on the other hand 920,000.<p>Furthermore the worldwide sales of S-class (incl. CL) is 53,000 and 42,000 for the 7.<br>--&gt; I don't think that the whole difference can be found in the included sales of the CL.<p>In Germany the 7 outsells the S-class by a minor 1,466 units and let's not forget the S-class is about to be changed completely (the 7 will get just a minor facelift)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I do think the CL sales do make a difference.<br>Weird, a Benz-fan trying to make a car look like it sold less <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Btw, those figures are also for the first 11 months<br>BMW brand sold about 40,000 cars less in 2004 than MB brand ( also because of the bigger offer of cars MB haves )<br>And when we're talking +1000,000 cars, 40,000 isn't that much. <br>And BMW Group outsold MB group.<br>btw, The RR Phantom just trashed the Maybach with over 780 cars sold against 500 Maybach's ( with 2 models )<p>And that small difference In germanay may look small in figures, but remember two things: They still count in the CL, and when expressed in a percentage the picture is much clearer. <p>About the 7 series, you say minor facelift? I though you told us on CSS some months ago the 7 series would be facelifted intensively because of horrible sales. Did something change your opinion on that?<br>But yes, the facelift will be minor, as I always predicted, but that won't be the biggest reason for the 7 series to hold ground. The new engine's will, and I expect more engine's to arrive on the US-market. Because rember, the S-class sells better on the US-market but it also has twice the engine-offer the 7 series has. I'm expecting more 7 engine's to arrive.<br>I do not think the S-class will do the walkover some people think here.

Fact
01-12-2005, 08:13 AM
Guys - this is a silly debate. Sales will vary according to the number of product offerings, model age etc. In South Africa, the fact that BMW sells so many 3 Series cars is a negative - they are no longer special and every second man and his dog drives a 3 series! BMW SA has the highest market share outside Germany.<p>I am a BMW fan but even I know that the new S-Class will once again lead in this segment as this is a MB specialty (we all know the 7 is just a big 5 series!).. That is why top dignitaries, diplomats and presidents choose the S-Class over the 7-Series in most cases..<p>Ascarris when will we get to see that secret pic of the interior of the new S-Class?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-12-2005, 09:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fact</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the fact that BMW sells so many 3 Series cars is a negative - they are no longer special and every second man and his dog drives a 3 series! BMW SA has the highest market share outside Germany.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I've been hearing this new one several times lately.<br>It makes me laugh <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am a BMW fan but even I know that the new S-Class will once again lead in this segment as this is a MB specialty </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I have no doubts it will the best selling car, especially in the short term. Just not convinced by the walkover some are expecting.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(we all know the 7 is just a big 5 series!).. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I'm sorry but <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
01-12-2005, 10:32 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fact</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ascarris when will we get to see that secret pic of the interior of the new S-Class?! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>when a magazine features them.

velsatis
01-13-2005, 05:43 PM
Rik, your umbeliavable, but i respect your dream. <br>I guess its just a matter of time, we will see next year who is the boss <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

RikfromBelgium
01-14-2005, 06:59 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>velsatis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rik, your umbeliavable, but i respect your dream. <br>I guess its just a matter of time, we will see next year who is the boss <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haven't you heared? Dreams come true <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

skoochythatone
01-14-2005, 11:41 AM
Rik..have fun believing in your dreams...I prefer sticking to reality...looking at the 7-series facelift pictures and the S-Class pictures...I would say your dreams just went down the drain..

Laguna
01-14-2005, 02:58 PM
It is bigger,badder and more powerful says Top Gear

badman
01-14-2005, 03:09 PM
I don't know, it seems to me that the S-class and the 7er have slightly different target audiences. The S-class is very elegant in a subdued sort of way, whereas the 7er is extravagant and, dare I say it, a definite head-turner. Like Rik I don't believe that the S-class will cause 7er sales to free-fall, because some people just want a polarizing car (and evidently, there's quite a lot of them, giving the continuing rise of BMW sales). I do have no doubt that the new S will outsell its competition, but it definitely won't be the A-bomb some of you make it out to be.

Laguna
01-14-2005, 03:12 PM
The current shape has been around for a long time finnaly a new shape

ViperSLR
01-15-2005, 02:46 AM
The data for 2004 was released and MB is still the world's biggest manufacturer of luxury automobiles: it sold 1,065,000 cars (without SMART) and BMW sold 1,023,000 cars.<br>MB outsold BMW in all of the major segments- the C-class sold 470,000 cars while the 3er sold 449,000 cars. <br>The E-class sold 287,000 and the 5er sold 229,000 cars. MB sold 84,100 S-Classes in 2004 and they have a market share of 35 percent. So don't say that MB can't keep up with BMW. MB even sold more A-Classes then BMW 1er- 52,000 vs. 39,000 (both cars were released in september). MB is fighting back this year with new M-Class and G, R , B and S-Class. <p>MB is still selling more and that shows that the brand is still strong all across the globe.

RikfromBelgium
01-15-2005, 03:41 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ViperSLR</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The data for 2004 was released and MB is still the world's biggest manufacturer of luxury automobiles: it sold 1,065,000 cars (without SMART) and BMW sold 1,023,000 cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Yes,these figures have been given before. See how close they are? BMW closed the gap in a few years time. And BMW group did outsell them.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>MB outsold BMW in all of the major segments- the C-class sold 470,000 cars while the 3er sold 449,000 cars. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>That's mostly because of the big drop in 3 series sales. It's about to be replaced if you haven't heared. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The E-class sold 287,000 and the 5er sold 229,000 cars. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Indeed, in a year with mostly just the 5 series sedan and not all engine's that would be normal. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>MB sold 84,100 S-Classes in 2004 and they have a market share of 35 percent. So don't say that MB can't keep up with BMW. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No figures of the 7?<br>Nobody ever said the S-class wasn't the best selling car in it's segment ( although they aren't anymore in Germany) It's just that nobody can denie that after all those critics going on about the destruction of BMW figures clearly show BMW has never been this close to them. 2005 will be a very interesting year. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MB even sold more A-Classes then BMW 1er- 52,000 vs. 39,000 (both cars were released in september).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well duh, it has a 3 and a 5 door version, if that can't sell more then just one 5 door version of the 1 series, something's certainly wrong. <p> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>[ MB is fighting back this year with new M-Class and G, R , B and S-Class. [quote]<br>Very interesting but I fear S, R and G class won't do much in total figures because their segment is just too small.<br>The ML may have a big impact. I doubt the B will, unless it's damn cheap. <br>But then you have the new 3 series, sedan and break: both worth over 500,000 cars a year, another version of the 1 series. <br>Especially the 3 series I believe will give BMW the push they need for 2005.<p>[quote]MB is still selling more and that shows that the brand is still strong all across the globe.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Nobody ever said they weren't strong. Just not as dominant as before. And I doubt they ever will be again. <p>

RikfromBelgium
01-15-2005, 03:42 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rik..have fun believing in your dreams...I prefer sticking to reality...looking at the 7-series facelift pictures and the S-Class pictures...I would say your dreams just went down the drain..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haven't you heared? Discussing design is just pointless. To you the say may look like a beatiful car. To me it looks like some Japanese thing, with a Maybach rear and a semi-7 series interior. And I'm sure you have something simular to say about the 7. Discussions like these are pointless and endless.

Top Secret
01-15-2005, 04:03 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rik..have fun believing in your dreams...I prefer sticking to reality...looking at the 7-series facelift pictures and the S-Class pictures...I would say your dreams just went down the drain..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, and let's see those pictures you're talking about - because I'm curious how the official pics look, obviously you have them eh?

Laguna
01-15-2005, 04:13 AM
WOW! MB sold over 1 million S-Classes. I am gob smack

laurensbenz
01-15-2005, 08:00 AM
Ascariss,<p>is the new interiour shot that you've already seen the one where you can see the gauges and the lights switch through the opened left front door?<br>'Cause if it is, I've got it in a magazine and maybe you can post it.<p>I'll post it anyway later today.

vivaki
01-15-2005, 08:12 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>laurensbenz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ascariss,<p>is the new interiour shot that you've already seen the one where you can see the gauges and the lights switch through the opened left front door?<br>'Cause if it is, I've got it in a magazine and maybe you can post it.<p>I'll post it anyway later today.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which magazine was this picture in Lauren? <p>I havent seen the pic, but Ascariss did say it was of the gauges, steering wheel with left door open. And yes, please do post it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

SV
01-15-2005, 09:52 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Laguna</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WOW! MB sold over 1 million S-Classes. I am gob smack</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>they sold 1 million cars total, not 1 million s-classes

laurensbenz
01-15-2005, 10:05 AM
I've sent the picture to Ascariss, so I hope it'll be up when he checks his e-mail.<p>Laurens

vivaki
01-15-2005, 10:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>laurensbenz</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've sent the picture to Ascariss, so I hope it'll be up when he checks his e-mail.<p>Laurens</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Great! Thanks <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Or you can send it me and i'll upload it now if you want...<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by vivaki at 5:51 PM 1/15/2005</i>

KaRaceR
01-15-2005, 11:11 AM
yuck that is disgusting

Laguna
01-15-2005, 11:45 AM
Oh ok so 1 million MB's in total

Ascariss
01-15-2005, 12:12 PM
Going to post it in a few min.<p><IMG SRC="http://premium1.uploadit.org/ascariss/sint.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>SOURCE: Autowerald<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 11:18 AM 1/15/2005</i>

Dal
01-15-2005, 02:11 PM
thats a big speedo lol

Soul Man
01-15-2005, 03:40 PM
well you know what they say about big speedometers............ <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0">

JBlair
01-15-2005, 03:45 PM
You can clearly see the hump. Darn it, I had hoped so much that MB wouldn't succumb to the all-in-one craze. I just hope they do it Audi style and not like iDrive.

Top Secret
01-15-2005, 04:31 PM
The curent S-Class also has a big speedo. Anyway, am I missing a pic, because I can't see a hump in that picture, the rest of the interior is blocked by that guy.

JBlair
01-15-2005, 09:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Top Secret</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The curent S-Class also has a big speedo. Anyway, am I missing a pic, because I can't see a hump in that picture, the rest of the interior is blocked by that guy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Look through the steering wheel. That black part blocking the windshield that is not part of the instrument panel is the hump. Its shape and profile match the other spy pic of the interior.

Top Secret
01-15-2005, 10:11 PM
Ah right - gotcha JBlair; thanks. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Kemble
01-15-2005, 11:11 PM
What car is that above the interior picture? its wheels don't look like an S-Class but i doubt it would be anything else. I hope its a new exterior picture. Can someone scan in that part of the article? thanks

vivaki
01-16-2005, 07:32 AM
Here's the pic of the car above the interior pic: Once again thanks to Laurensbenz for the scan. <p><IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/just_mine2/New_s_lauren.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>(Autowerald)<p>

husseindesign
01-16-2005, 07:54 AM
wow!! it looks huuuuuge!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

Dal
01-16-2005, 09:47 AM
that does look bloody long, looks like the image has been stretched towards the left side

protocatcher
01-16-2005, 11:22 AM
LWB S-klass ..........

husseindesign
01-16-2005, 01:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dal</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that does look bloody long, looks like the image has been stretched towards the left side</TD></TR></TABLE><br>It's quite obvious that the image is stretched and that it's the long version, but it's still huge..<br>Beside that we all know that the new S-class will as big as the the generation before the current one.

Denali
01-16-2005, 04:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>husseindesign</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> new S-class will as big as the the generation before the current one.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I agree<br>It is true, its suposed to be bigger then the last model<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 6:22 PM 1/17/2005</i>

hollc004
01-17-2005, 10:12 AM
How nice will this be when it comes out, I think maybach have made a huge impression on the merces of today and I think its a step in the right direction, People want luxry at competitive prices.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 6:27 PM 1/17/2005</i>

RS
01-17-2005, 12:22 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hollc004</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How nice will this b when it comes out, I think maybach have made a huge impression on the merces of 2day and I think its a step in the right direction, Peopl want luxry at competitive prices </TD></TR></TABLE><p>How do you know the S-class will have competitive prices. This is a segment where money doesn't matter as other segments. People who buy cars at these prices are rich. The current S-class was last in soo many comparison tests and only the LS430 sold better(I think). <p>If the S-class gets bigger and manages to keep close to the same price, then all the competition will have to follow that. <br>Audi A8, BMW 7-series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS430, and VW Phaeton would all be smaller. If Mercedes starts selling better than it already is, everyone would have to follow that and make their cars bigger, except Jaguar XJ coz it's always been smaller. Phaeton, on the other hand, won't be around for long anyways.

Designo
01-17-2005, 03:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS Genesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>How do you know the S-class will have competitive prices. This is a segment where money doesn't matter as other segments. People who buy cars at these prices are rich. The current S-class was last in soo many comparison tests and only the LS430 sold better(I think). <p>If the S-class gets bigger and manages to keep close to the same price, then all the competition will have to follow that. <br>Audi A8, BMW 7-series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS430, and VW Phaeton would all be smaller. If Mercedes starts selling better than it already is, everyone would have to follow that and make their cars bigger, except Jaguar XJ coz it's always been smaller. Phaeton, on the other hand, won't be around for long anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So everybody follows the S-Class? That's nice, because I've always liked the S-Class. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
01-17-2005, 03:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS Genesis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How do you know the S-class will have competitive prices. This is a segment where money doesn't matter as other segments. People who buy cars at these prices are rich. The current S-class was last in soo many comparison tests and only the LS430 sold better(I think). <p>If the S-class gets bigger and manages to keep close to the same price, then all the competition will have to follow that. <br>Audi A8, BMW 7-series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS430, and VW Phaeton would all be smaller. If Mercedes starts selling better than it already is, everyone would have to follow that and make their cars bigger, except Jaguar XJ coz it's always been smaller. Phaeton, on the other hand, won't be around for long anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That is not exactly true. People who buy s-classes do not necissarily qualify as rich. well off yes, wealthy even, but rich? not necessarily. If you make $200-300K/year you are easily withing the income level of an s-class buyer, yet you would hardly qualify as rich. <p>as for price not being as big a determioning factor in this segment, that is only true up to a point. I mean, If price wasn't a major consideration, then vehicles like the original LS400 and Q45 would not have had the effect they had. As you mentioned, there are quite a few choices in this segment, and most of them are priced taking the competition into consideration. The few that are not, ususally have some determining caracteristic which helps push their price up or down.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Santeno at 6:29 PM 1/17/2005</i>

RS
01-17-2005, 05:26 PM
I saw wealthy and rich as the same thing <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RS Genesis at 6:33 PM 1/17/2005</i>

skoochythatone
01-27-2005, 05:03 PM
Argh..I drove back home tonight and guess what I saw parked at the side of the road in a parking spot right downtown Boeblingen(next to Sindelfingen where the development center is)..brand new S-Class! Sad thing..under a cover..of course I did not pull the cover off, thats a big no no. <p>I turned around and drove past it twice really slow, it does look bigger, the lights could be seen through the cover, they looked nice from what I could see. The renderings with the rear lights having the same color as the car between the red elements might be true.

AM2K
01-27-2005, 05:27 PM
Skoochy, you must see this car more than the S-Class development team! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1orglaugh.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>by saying it was "under a cover" do you mean it was undisguised under the cover, or was it disguised and then covered up? When is this car most likely to be revealed?

skoochythatone
01-27-2005, 05:31 PM
Car was disguised and under a cover..like one of those snow covers people use in the winter to keep their cars from being snowed in I guess. I wasnt sure that it was the S-Class at first, but turned around and took a closer look at it from my car..and the rear lights peaking out under the cover clearly gave it away.

IcedG35
01-27-2005, 08:54 PM
It's werid that they went to the Speedo without the display in the middle, i kinda liked it and it made sense to have a repeat display for radio and nav right in front of the driver. i guess some sort of heads up display is standard then...?

knihc2008
01-27-2005, 10:17 PM
i think they're just using a simple speedo for a tester car. they did the same for the SLK.

Fabia SDI Elegance
01-29-2005, 02:47 PM
Source: Wheels24<p><br><IMG SRC="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/20050128075946S-Class_spy_2005.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Mercedes/S-Class2006/images/16.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Mercedes/S-Class2006/images/14.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Mercedes/S-Class2006/images/13.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Mercedes/S-Class2006/images/12.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Mercedes/S-Class2006/images/11.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Mercedes/S-Class2006/images/10.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>Recently Wheels24 reader Michael Scanlen spotted disguised new S-Class models near East London. According to Michael there were four cars in the convoy which traveled at a high speed. <p>Fortunately he managed to snap some of the cars with his cellphone. <p>In our gallery of the 2006 Mercedes S-Class there are also exclusive spy photos of the car being tested in Europe. <p>The W221-Series is to make its official debut sometime this year. According to sources the new S-Class will have a longer wheelbase resulting in better interior space. It will also have wider doors. <p>Furthermore Mercedes will improve interior quality and refinement, while it will feature a host of new gadgets. <p>One of the most innovative new gizmos on the car will be a sophisticated crash avoidance system incorporating the cruise control. This system includes sensors all round the car. <p>Rumours have it that the car will have up to sixteen airbags and that there will also be a pedestrian-protecting airbag which deploys from behind the front grille. <p>Engines will include V6 and V8 petrol units an an AMG-prepared 6.3-litre V8 producing about 445 kW. It could also get the Maybach's 370 kW 6.5 bi-turbo engineas well as 3.0 V6 and 4.0 V8 diesels. <p>

JBlair
01-29-2005, 04:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>knihc2008</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think they're just using a simple speedo for a tester car. they did the same for the SLK.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What if they did away with it since the new COMAND screen is now in the driver's line of sight instead of lower on the dash.

Cozz
01-30-2005, 06:46 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Fabia SDI Elegance</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Source: Wheels24<p>Furthermore Mercedes will improve interior quality and refinement, while it will feature a host of new gadgets. <p>One of the most innovative new gizmos on the car will be a sophisticated crash avoidance system incorporating the cruise control. This system includes sensors all round the car. <p>Rumours have it that the car will have up to sixteen airbags and that there will also be a pedestrian-protecting airbag which deploys from behind the front grille. <p>Engines will include V6 and V8 petrol units an an AMG-prepared 6.3-litre V8 producing about 445 kW. It could also get the Maybach's 370 kW 6.5 bi-turbo engineas well as 3.0 V6 and 4.0 V8 diesels. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mercedes-Benz :1, competition :0 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icon11.gif" BORDER="0">

Denali
01-30-2005, 05:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The current S-class was last in soo many comparison tests and only the LS430 sold better.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yah right

Krypton
01-31-2005, 02:02 PM
Actually the s was last in many comparsion tests considering how old it is, and i know the ls sold more units but im not sure if bmw sold more or less

JBlair
01-31-2005, 02:06 PM
BMW sold less, and I am not sure that the LS did sell more. Does anyone have sales numbers?

skoochythatone
01-31-2005, 02:42 PM
Oh wow..you seem to have no clue. Lexus and BMW both sold less than the current S-Class. Dont start this whole discussion again please though about which car is better, this thread is about the new S-Class and nothing else. So please state facts and not rumours that you cant proove. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0">

Krypton
01-31-2005, 02:59 PM
Yea sorry i was wrong about the lexus selling more, i got confused with lexus brand selling overall and my brain was fried from midterms <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> . Im not saying the S-class is bad, i love it and id take it out of the others in a heartbeat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

Santeno
01-31-2005, 03:52 PM
Actually SLR you aren't entirely wrong. World wide, what skootchy is saying is true. In the US market however, I believe you are right.

Seller Automotive
01-31-2005, 04:55 PM
"AMG-prepared 6.3-litre V8 producing about 445 kW"<p>445kW.... thats 597hp... This engine must be the rumored Twin Turbo 6.3 V8 AMG is working on. No way can a NA 6.3 V8 make 600hp.

IcedG35
01-31-2005, 05:24 PM
y not, a NA 2.0 I4 makes 200 hp, a 5.0 V10 makes 507 hp and mb said they wanted to start using more na engines and get rid of turbos and superchargers on their bigger engines...i'm sure it wouldn't have nearly the amount of torque as the current big amg's though

Designo
02-13-2005, 09:39 PM
What's up with W221? Hasn't been caught recently? Maybe it's in hibernation <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/banana.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>anyways... here's my question: what is Mercedes going to do with their "lower-end" S-Class in N. America (eg. S430...)? It seems like the only ranges would be "350" and "500" because "430" has already been eliminated across the fleet (except the S430). But a V6 in an S-Class in America? That doesn't sound right... I don't think they would have the S500 as entry-level here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/1zhelp.gif" BORDER="0">

RS
02-13-2005, 10:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Denali</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>yah right</TD></TR></TABLE><br>That would only prove my point of the S-class selling so well despite being last. I know that you noticed me say, "I think" when I said that the LS was selling better than the S-class. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>

IcedG35
02-14-2005, 09:17 AM
In the US, the entry will most likely be the 4.6L V8 or a smaller V8 but the 3.5L from the SLK won't be in a US S class... the upcoming BMW 7 has a 4.8L 360hp base engine so a nice powerful 4.6L V8 would be good for a base S if it still remains priced around the S430

Denali
02-14-2005, 02:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RS</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>That would only prove my point of the S-class selling so well despite being last. I know that you noticed me say, "I think" when I said that the LS was selling better than the S-class. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>i didnt notice but the LS does,

storm
02-14-2005, 05:08 PM
Any sign off a new C class yet?

Fangorious Reborn
02-14-2005, 09:33 PM
i saw a camo'd sliverish color ( same color as the other pics ) s-class on route 80 in new jersey!!!! first time i've ever seen a camo'd car in real life

Kemble
02-16-2005, 11:33 AM
Fangorious is RIGHT! As if there was any doubt, the S-Class has reached our shores(albeit, in full camo). This article is detailing a sighting of the new S-Class in Brooklyn. OHH, how i wish i lived there.<br><A HREF="http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/gossip/mercedes/a-mercedes-sclass-rolls-in-brooklyn-033295.php" TARGET="_blank">http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/g...5.php</A>

Andre
02-16-2005, 12:17 PM
the picture in that article was shot some time back on the Nuremburg in Germany. there are no pictures to go along with the article as it states in the article that the driver was comfortable talking to them because they didn't have a camera.<p>There have been a large number of spy shots from the southwestern US high deserts, out in Tucson Az, and those areas. I haven't seen the car in brooklyn yet, but it makes sense to me.<p>It is nice to hear they are still runing around though

sc43018
02-16-2005, 04:06 PM
They may using the same idea as Land Rover did in the LR3. They took it to NYC to get a better on road feel (not that the S has problems only appealing offroad) by why not take the car to where it will most often driven, the streets

amg unit
02-16-2005, 04:58 PM
cant wait until the new king comes out ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0">

Designo
02-16-2005, 10:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>amg unit</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cant wait until the new king comes out ... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>hee-hee-hee... you mean the LORD OF THE UNIVERSE <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>2006 S-Class<br>President & CEO<br>Luxury Catergory Inc.

Santeno
02-17-2005, 08:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Designo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hee-hee-hee... you mean the LORD OF THE UNIVERSE <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>I thought that was naga's title?<p>So is MB bringing test cars into the city now? This is the second report we have gotten in the past month of an MB mule testing in NYC (The last one was a C-Class testing in manhattan, remember). I have to wonder what they could possibly be testing in NYC's horrendous streets (Besides suspension pieces and cabin isloation that is).

Naga Royal Guard
02-17-2005, 09:01 AM
no Santeno, I am just the Royal Guard for that person :)

amg unit
02-17-2005, 02:35 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Designo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>hee-hee-hee... you mean the LORD OF THE UNIVERSE <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bonk.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>i mean the king of its class...

against the wall
02-24-2005, 07:49 AM
i have a question about this car. is it 06 or 07 because on ww.mbusa.com if u click whats new then there will be a section about the amg package on the s class, and if u click on it, it will show u the current s-class model but says 2006. so is this car 06 or 07

Santeno
02-24-2005, 10:37 AM
If the car becomes available for sale in the US in 2006 (I think as of january 1 but I could be wrong about that) It can be labeled as a 2007 model.

bolita
02-24-2005, 10:46 AM
Dont forget the 2005 Ford Escape which began sales the end of Dec 2003...

IcedG35
02-27-2005, 12:49 PM
And the CLS which is a 2006 model year car and I'm not sure but wasn't it available at the end of '04?

LEXUS FAN!
02-27-2005, 01:52 PM
i think it was available jan. 2005

sc43018
02-27-2005, 01:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And the CLS which is a 2006 model year car and I'm not sure but wasn't it available at the end of '04?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>no, for the most part, CLS's are really just becoming readily available now (in the US atleast

LEXUS FAN!
03-11-2005, 05:57 PM
I don't care if it is autospies...it's still pictures<p><A HREF="http://www2.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=4155" TARGET="_blank">http://www2.autospies.com/arti...=4155</A>

Designo
03-11-2005, 06:25 PM
About time! The where-abouts of W221? It seems to have disappeared off the face of this earth... all of this anticipation is driving me crazy!!!!!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/bangin.gif" BORDER="0">

protocatcher
03-12-2005, 02:42 AM
We see W221 every day, its just that they still have the same camo , so its no use for us to take moore pics . But i guess i saw about 8 yesterday .....

LEXUS FAN!
03-12-2005, 01:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>protocatcher</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We see W221 every day, its just that they still have the same camo , so its no use for us to take moore pics . But i guess i saw about 8 yesterday .....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>really? you see that many in Sweden? i wish i was able to see camoed cars...i have never seen one.

protocatcher
03-12-2005, 02:24 PM
During the winther we see alot of them , they all do their winthertest up here .

LEXUS FAN!
03-12-2005, 06:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>protocatcher</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">During the winther we see alot of them , they all do their winthertest up here .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Wow that's really interesting and crazy...thanks for the info.<p>

007_nich
03-13-2005, 11:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ascariss</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://www.arcor.de/palb/alben/73/832873/1024_6639663766376135.jpg" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I love that pic! "Look! There's someone taking pictures! Agh!"

Charger
03-13-2005, 07:47 PM
<A HREF="http://thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8282&sid=178&n=158" TARGET="_blank">http://thecarconnection.com/in...n=158</A>

erzhik
03-16-2005, 09:50 PM
here is a pic of the interior..look at the similar joystic to Idrive..and they got rid of the shift stick, just like 7 series..<p><A HREF="http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/8137_image.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.thecarconnection.co...e.jpg</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Ascariss at 9:24 PM 3/16/2005</i>

skoochythatone
03-17-2005, 02:09 AM
Sorry..dont mean to mock you..but that interior picture is really old, came out the first winter of testing 2yrs ago. It still does resemble the most significant changes to the interior: gear shifter next to the steering wheel(like the new M-Class,but better than any 7-series,most tests of the new M-Class mentioned that thats what a gear shifter on the steering wheel is supposed to look/work like) and the multi-media control in the middle, but again, better than any I-drive ever used.

ll0ll
03-17-2005, 02:13 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and the multi-media control in the middle, but again, better than any I-drive ever used.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You already tested it?? Didnt know the s-klasse was already available for testing purpose <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/eek2.gif" BORDER="0">

bm88
03-17-2005, 02:59 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img136.exs.cx/img136/1396/mercedess201mh.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I know this is old, and you have probably seen it before.

Top Secret
03-17-2005, 03:20 AM
<B>Very</B> old. I saw this in like 2002.

skoochythatone
03-17-2005, 03:57 AM
I personally have not of course tested it, I know people who actually have though. MB realized that the 7-series did get quite a few bad reviews on the i-drive and decided to come up with a system easier and faster to use while still offering everything that the driver needs/wants. MB has always brought out very simple to use, yet equipped with cutting edge technology interior instruments. <br>

Chickpig
03-17-2005, 06:43 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MOORHOUSE</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><IMG SRC="http://img136.exs.cx/img136/1396/mercedess201mh.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>I know this is old, and you have probably seen it before. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>why post it again? Anyway, i hope the S-class interior has more wood. The 7er has like tons of wood and metal.

sc43018
03-17-2005, 03:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why post it again? Anyway, i hope the S-class interior has more wood. The 7er has like tons of wood and metal. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i dont think the spy pics can reasonably give us an idea of how much wood or metal the interior will have, mb would be crazy to waste metal on the test car, did you see that wires hanging out and the trash all over in that pic?

LEXUS FAN!
03-17-2005, 04:31 PM
now that i look at the picture, it could be true because before i thought it was the same car, but the headlights are actually different.<p>However, everything else seems different.

Cozz
03-17-2005, 06:26 PM
This is by far the longest lasting "before production" car ever in CSS history. I'm already tired of this crap. Two months from now, they will take out some of the black tape and a hundred new pics will be on the net.

Chickpig
03-17-2005, 08:48 PM
nahh not that fast, i expect july or august.

Chickpig
03-28-2005, 05:41 AM
<IMG SRC="http://img216.exs.cx/img216/6826/mercedess2w8da.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br><IMG SRC="http://img216.exs.cx/img216/5366/mercedess1w5ph.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>source: autoscoops

Reppu
03-28-2005, 05:45 AM
Just like Cozz said.....

skoochythatone
03-28-2005, 09:31 AM
I know its taking forever for the Sclass to come out, but thats just because they are making sure it will satisfy customers expectations in MB quality. So be a little more patient guys! This car is gonna rock big time! Byebye 7er and A8!<p>I spoke to someone who actually sat in a W221 in the factory over the weekend, and that person said the S-Class is gonna have(maybe as an extra feature)flip down screens in the rear for the passengers..

Fcuke
03-28-2005, 11:53 AM
I see alot of lines taken from the CLS, I like it. The grill has grown, that isn't that positiv, but heck! It looks good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Looking forward to some official pictures.<p> just love that image of the man pointing. hehe

LEXUS FAN!
03-28-2005, 04:33 PM
great pictures...thanks<p>i like the taillights even though they are the Maybach's.

Cozz
03-28-2005, 07:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">great pictures...thanks<p>i like the taillights even though they are the Maybach's.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I thought so too untill these last pics. It still carries a lot of the current S-class figure. Unless you call that Maybach's too.

erzhik
03-28-2005, 07:46 PM
well Maybach is still a Mercedes, I think it look good for this S class.. It looks like it's and old version of the grill...maybe a little modified...

moody
03-31-2005, 06:14 AM
hi everybody. I've got sth amazing for u today. sorry for the quality... enjoy!<br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010083.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010084.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010085.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010086.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010087.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010088.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010089.JPG" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010090.JPG" BORDER="0">

Ascariss
03-31-2005, 06:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>moody</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hi everybody. I've got sth amazing for u today. sorry for the quality... enjoy!<br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010083.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010083.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010084.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010084.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010085.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010085.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010086.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010086.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010087.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010087.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010088.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010088.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010089.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010089.JPG</A><br><A HREF="http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010090.JPG" TARGET="_blank">http://maciekmadej1.friko.pl/P1010090.JPG</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats the CLS not s class. Maciek, to nie jest nowa Ska. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

kuules
03-31-2005, 06:26 AM
Ascaris masz racje to jest CLS.<p>You right, thats are photos of the cls-class.

moody
03-31-2005, 06:34 AM
so what da hell are the writing in polish newspaper - gazeta wyborcza?? They wrote whole article how they drove the new s-class through the deep snow...

AM2K
03-31-2005, 06:37 AM
Well i have a couple of queries about these pictures:<p>- When exactly are these pics dated from? This isnt exactly major disguise (only tape based), so its not likely to be a CLS testing this winter in disguise?<p>- The body is raised up pretty high, giving the impression its a a mule body put onto another chassis i guess. <p>- The tape on the rear windows, seems to be there to to possibly hide the misgivings towards the back (i.e. a 4 door body on a possible coupe?)<p>- With this then possibly being a mule with huge quad exhausts, could it be a mule for the new S65 chassis. If its not that, could it be either CL or future E-Class chassis development?<p><br>If anybody can get access to the full article text and a translation, would be much appreciated. It would certainly help explain this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beerchug.gif" BORDER="0">

Reppu
03-31-2005, 07:21 AM
It's clearly a CLS body, no doubt about that. Wether it's an old pic or a new mule, i just can't tell. The pics are somewhat deformed so it's difficult to say something about heigth, wheelbase or whatever. However it looks like it's 4WD. Is there 4matic option for CLS at the moment?

lil'G
03-31-2005, 08:01 AM
Of course it is new S-class. They even wrote it in this article. "It has to remind CLS and it reminds, but in size XXL". If it was CLS there was no point in writing this whole article and I dont think that redactor was cheated.<br>And something about this car:<br>It is S700 Tri-Turbo<br>V12 6996ccm<br>automatic 7 shift gearbox <br>800KM - 5400<br>1000Nm - 2400-4000<br>Vmax 334 km/h<br>0-100km/h - 3,9 s<br>consumpt. 11,5l/100km<br>And it is RWD car<p>PS There were few redactors from 5 redactions invited for this ride, from America, China, Japan, Arabia and Poland. <br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pirate2.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
03-31-2005, 08:02 AM
this is CLS.. I am certain that this is AMG version.. check out the quad pipes, maybe this pictures were taken when CLS wasn't even out yet. not sure about if it is a 4matic version, I think that 4matic is not yet available.<p>But why would they disguise it if it was a 4matic version?<br>I think these are really old pics of CLS AMG, maybe CLS65.

kuules
03-31-2005, 08:06 AM
for compare, that are 2 diferent cars, up cls, down spyshot new s-class, in the middle its 4x4 cls <p><IMG SRC="http://img130.exs.cx/img130/5982/image13nz.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br><i>Modified by kuules at 5:12 PM 3/31/2005</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by kuules at 5:22 PM 3/31/2005</i>

RikfromBelgium
03-31-2005, 08:25 AM
It's obviously a CLS, it's not even that much higher on its wheel when you compare it to the picture from the salon.

moody
03-31-2005, 10:00 AM
I've just realized that tomorrow is... PRIMA APRILIS

Ascariss
03-31-2005, 01:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>moody</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've just realized that tomorrow is... PRIMA APRILIS</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Bingo. The picture seem to be photoshoped, either press pics of it testing or real spy pics, it has a california license plate. And as far as I know, plates in the front are not mandatory in some states (not sure about cali) but they are mandatory in the rear. No plate in the rear, because its photoshopped away. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">

against the wall
03-31-2005, 06:54 PM
definetly chop. i mean tons of snow and california dont mix

erzhik
03-31-2005, 07:10 PM
yeah, the california plates are a chop, but snow looks real =)...<p>probably was tested somewhere in MI..

Ascariss
03-31-2005, 07:48 PM
Actually sweden, seeing as that looks to be classic northern swedish scenery.

Spock
04-01-2005, 05:28 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.auto-moto.com/data/articles/3766/image0.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.auto-moto.com/phorum/files/mercedescsarriere_176.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG SRC="http://www.auto-moto.com/phorum/files/mercedescsproue_872.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG SRC="http://www.auto-moto.com/phorum/files/mercedesclasnez_113.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p> From <A HREF="http://www.auto-moto.com/en_vedette/article.php?id=3766&PHPSESSID=3128c9fe9efe4fb3df73f0d1a394db93" TARGET="_blank">http://www.auto-moto.com/en_ve...4db93</A>

Chickpig
04-01-2005, 05:40 AM
theres so many details wrong about this ps! The wheel wells are quite wrong. Some lines are wrong. There will be no side protector stripes. shape of rear lights also a bit off. The middle part of the rear lights are white too.

bm88
04-01-2005, 06:40 AM
Have to say, I hate those rear lights!<p>Not the shape, just those bars going across them. Looks like a crappy design feature you'd find on a much cheaper car.

Chickpig
04-01-2005, 06:53 AM
shape is off too. It's not supposed to be so curved. It's sharper.

VexedandGlorious
04-01-2005, 07:09 AM
the side mirrors look almost 3d, or just <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/pukeface.gif" BORDER="0"> it really gives this away as a chop.

erzhik
04-01-2005, 07:28 AM
we will have to wait and see how it will look in real life.. maybe it won't look like these pictures.. who knows, lets wait.

IcedG35
04-01-2005, 10:57 AM
The grille looks way to small as well and it's supposed to be much more vertical as i recall from previous posts

Omar
04-07-2005, 09:34 AM
pic released to media by MB themselves<p><IMG SRC="http://www.whatcar.com//NonCar/Mercedes-Benz/7455420332.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.whatcar.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.whatcar.com</A>

VexedandGlorious
04-07-2005, 11:31 AM
oh great another picture to chop, and call the S-class, what is this picture trying to explain.

carjunkie
04-07-2005, 12:46 PM
That pic is probably trying to create hype in the media before its unveiling (so it gets more coverage).

skoochythatone
04-07-2005, 02:58 PM
This is what the article behind the pic says:<p>"Safety firsts from Mercedes<br>7 April 2005<p>limousine, to be unveiled at September’s Frankfurt Motor Show.<p>Developments in braking technology will reduce the likelihood of rear-end collisions, according to Mercedes. Improvements to the Pre-Safe system, which prepares the car for any unavoidable collision, should reduce the risk of death or injury.<p>In 1996 Mercedes introduced Brake Assist, which guarantees maximum stopping power in an emergency even if the driver fails to stamp fully on the brake pedal. The new S-Class will showcase Brake Assist Plus, which anticipates potential accidents and readies the car for an emergency stop.<p>It works with the Distronic cruise-control system, which keeps the car a safe distance from the one in front. If sensors detect you are too close to avoid a collision in an emergency, the brakes are primed to provide optimum stopping power as soon as the pedal is touched.<p>In tests with 100 members of the public at varying speeds on a Mercedes driving simulator, the number of accidents fell by 75%.<p>Brake Assist Plus works in tandem with Pre-Safe. In the past, this has tightened the front seat belts, closed the sunroof and adjusted the passenger seat to the optimum position when a crash was unavoidable.<p>Pre-Safe on the new S-Class will also close the side windows, tighten the rear belts and clamp front occupants more firmly in their seats, further reducing the risk of injury.<p>The computer-generated image shown here gives a good idea of what the new S-Class will look like when it goes on sale towards the end of this year."<p>I saw something about this too recently. Apparently MB is among the first to use this even more advanced technology and that will strengthen MB's position as leading automotive technology leader even more<br>

Reppu
04-07-2005, 11:39 PM
The rear wheel arch of that chop is an insult to aesthetics

LEXUS FAN!
04-10-2005, 03:02 PM
the back is terrible, but the front was done pretty well<p>it looks like the shots of the front are different colors than those of the back<p>the front is yellow, and the back is gray

skoochythatone
04-10-2005, 03:13 PM
I wouldnt give so much about those last renderings, I do not think they were done by a really god artist. <p>Just wait a few more months and then we all know more..or at least until I catch it again..hehe

autodanse
04-10-2005, 03:42 PM
i just realized that rear view is a total lincoln LS chop. the window shape at least.

Designo
04-10-2005, 05:17 PM
It's the W221 in a car-show! (It's got VERY thick CAMO, however, cerca 2002).<p><br>I found this link in GCF, but since I haven't seen it here yet, I'll put it up...<p><A HREF="http://f27.parsimony.net/forum66434/messages/19606.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://f27.parsimony.net/forum...6.htm</A><p><br>Even if it's for publicity, it seems rather odd that MB would "tease" the public right now like that. I can't believe there isn't an interior pic... it seems soooo tempting! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/crying.gif" BORDER="0">

carjunkie
04-10-2005, 06:11 PM
^ I thought the new s-class was supposed to be bigger than the current one? Cause in the last pic in that link, they're side by side and it doesn't seem bigger.

CARSRTHEWORLD
04-11-2005, 12:03 AM
i think those photos could be quite old, as the camo being used was the first sort they used, and now its got less.<p>Benji

skoochythatone
04-11-2005, 03:19 AM
Awesome pics, even though the camo in them is really old. Thats what they looked like when they were first spotted. But where were these taken? If its indeed a real prototype, why didnt the photographer snap interior pics???

ipgy
04-11-2005, 04:22 AM
<I>But where were these taken? If its indeed a real prototype, why didnt the photographer snap interior pics???</I><p><br>Press release Techno Classica Essen (germany), 7. - 10. April 2005:<p>... DaimlerChrysler Heritage shows a strongly camouflaged prototype of the new super Mercedes on the large stand in hall 1 prior to the first presentation of the new Mercedes Benz S-class at the Frankfurt Motor Show 2005, framed by its historic predecessors...<p>The interior was also strongly camouflaged. I will try to post a few images tomorrow .<br>

skoochythatone
04-11-2005, 04:51 AM
Hi Ipgy, and welcome to the forum..I suppose you are new since your last post was your first one. Did you actually see the prototype there live?

Designo
04-11-2005, 07:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Awesome pics, even though the camo in them is really old. Thats what they looked like when they were first spotted. But where were these taken? If its indeed a real prototype, why didnt the photographer snap interior pics???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I can't believe that W221 is in the auto show this week! They probably used the very thick camo to make it extra-hard to tell the lines/details. But at least we can see it up close without being harassed. <p>Can't wait for the interior photos! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/icondrool.gif" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
04-12-2005, 07:51 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/20/s_355.86841.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Source:AMS<p>However, the ps is quite inaccurate though. The whole car should look sharper and more defined.

Designo
04-12-2005, 06:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chickpig</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/20/s_355.86841.jpg" BORDER="0"> <br>Source:AMS<p>However, the ps is quite inaccurate though. The whole car should look sharper and more defined. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hope it doesn't look like that, as there is almost no road presence (pic based off from an E-Class). The whole reason why I like the S-Class is because of the road size/presence. <p>THE BIGGER, THE BETTER <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

Chickpig
04-13-2005, 07:46 AM
new spy pics:<br><A HREF="http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/0,,1369-1372_1689108,00.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.wheels24.co.za/Whee....html</A>

Omar
04-13-2005, 11:00 AM
this is one of the pics from wheels24: <A HREF="http://galleries.wheels24.co.za/cars/Mercedes/S%2DClass2006/images/07.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://galleries.wheels24.co.z...7.jpg</A><p>Are those wing mirrors the same as the new, sleek ones used on the CLS?<p>And if you look closely at the front lights, you'll see above where the indicator is situated, the front light shape is quite sharp. Nice!

Soulis
04-13-2005, 09:32 PM
I have an actual picture of the new S-class but I dont know how to post it. Can someone please help? And ive never seen it posted before

bm88
04-14-2005, 12:19 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Soulis</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have an actual picture of the new S-class but I dont know how to post it. Can someone please help? And ive never seen it posted before</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you have not already added your name to the image (so that no-one can steal it) send it to me via email, and I will add "Soulis" or your real name to the image, and then upload it for you.<p>If the image is already watermarked, you can just read this tutorial.<p><A HREF="http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=11325" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=11325</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MOORHOUSE at 9:14 AM 4/14/2005</i>

Chickpig
04-14-2005, 08:34 AM
I hope it's something real we've never seen before. Hopefully its fully uncovered! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/ylsuper.gif" BORDER="0">

erzhik
04-14-2005, 09:34 AM
So how will they put a airbag on the car for the pedestrians?

Soulis
04-14-2005, 11:11 AM
anyone seen this?<br> <A HREF="http://img1.imageuploader.net/952/2005-06S-class.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://img1.imageuploader.net/...s.jpg</A> <p><FONT COLOR="red">EDIT:</FONT> Made into link.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MOORHOUSE at 7:37 PM 4/14/2005</i>

Soulis
04-14-2005, 11:15 AM
had that pic for almost 2 years

RikfromBelgium
04-14-2005, 11:15 AM
If I were you I'd remove the image as soon as possible <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Very old, and from a very wrong site <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

bm88
04-14-2005, 11:38 AM
The image from our good friends over at AutoLies!<p>For once, I can say that this is beginning to look like it is the real thing...

VexedandGlorious
04-14-2005, 12:30 PM
well at least they didnt lie about one thing.

ipgy
04-14-2005, 02:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi Ipgy, and welcome to the forum.. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>skoochythatone</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Did you actually see the prototype there live?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes, last weekend:<p><IMG SRC="http://img125.echo.cx/img125/1006/cssc19gc.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img125.echo.cx/img125/1540/cssc27af.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img125.echo.cx/img125/324/cssc48ut.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img125.echo.cx/img125/4088/cssc59lp.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://img125.echo.cx/img125/558/cssc61sa.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>2 days ago (other prototype):<br><IMG SRC="http://img125.echo.cx/img125/3260/cssc77dy.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>source: ipgy<p>cheers,<br>ipgy

against the wall
04-14-2005, 03:01 PM
wow ive never seen camo like that up close before. it looks bulletproof

erzhik
04-14-2005, 03:07 PM
hey isn't that last pic an AMG version? the brakes are AMG and the spoke is AMG<br>you can see something written on the spoke. next to the brake.. I think only AMG writes something like that for MB...<br>I know that stock MB's don't write anything on their spokes and they don't have this huge brakes.

Designo
04-14-2005, 06:31 PM
I like the S-Class. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/drink.gif" BORDER="0">

LEXUS FAN!
04-14-2005, 07:46 PM
wow...thanks a lot<p>where was this exactly?

ipgy
04-14-2005, 11:24 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LEXUS FAN!</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where was this exactly?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>classic car show in germany: <A HREF="http://www.siha.de/indexeng.htm" TARGET="_blank">techno classica</A><p>cheers<br>ipgy

shonguiz
04-15-2005, 03:19 AM
<IMG SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2050412.001/2050412.001.1M.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>It's from germancarfans, Mercedes presents some new systems like pre-safe2before the car it self.

against the wall
04-21-2005, 04:04 PM
i was just looking on google before when i found this:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/infiniti/m45/images/8-2006-Infiniti-M.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...M.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41669.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41669.jpg</A><br>look how close they are. the 1st pic is of the new m

sc43018
04-21-2005, 04:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carfan223</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was just looking on google before when i found this:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/infiniti/m45/images/8-2006-Infiniti-M.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...M.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41669.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41669.jpg</A><br>look how close they are. the 1st pic is of the new m</TD></TR></TABLE><p>you have a point, but it is not just with the new M, i think the new S interior looks too much like a lot of other lux sedans (particularly the 7er). MB shouldnt be playing catch up, they should be the ones to jump ahead, and SO FAR, the S doesnt look to be doing that

LEXUS FAN!
04-21-2005, 04:34 PM
thanks, but i think it looks more like the 7 series than the M

the_saint
04-21-2005, 04:50 PM
I agree when I first saw that spy shot a few months ago I thought it was a 7 series.

against the wall
04-21-2005, 05:20 PM
well i only posted it cuz i searched 2006 s-class on google and those 2 pics popped up right next to eachother.

fubar
04-21-2005, 05:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>somebody..lol</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey isn't that last pic an AMG version? the brakes are AMG and the spoke is AMG<br>you can see something written on the spoke. next to the brake.. I think only AMG writes something like that for MB...<br>I know that stock MB's don't write anything on their spokes and they don't have this huge brakes.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dont think MB will use those dated monoblock wheels on the new AMG version. Even the 06 S-Class with AMG appearance package uses the 05 18" S55 AMG wheels. The brakes look like typical current perforated MB brakes to me. They just taped up the MB writing (not AMG) on them.

Cozz
04-22-2005, 05:01 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>carfan223</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was just looking on google before when i found this:<p><A HREF="http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/infiniti/m45/images/8-2006-Infiniti-M.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoweek.com/files/...M.jpg</A><br><A HREF="http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41669.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41669.jpg</A><br>look how close they are. the 1st pic is of the new m</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>sc43018</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>you have a point, but it is not just with the new M, i think the new S interior looks too much like a lot of other lux sedans (particularly the 7er). MB shouldnt be playing catch up, they should be the ones to jump ahead, and SO FAR, the S doesnt look to be doing that</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, The new S-class is an evolution of the current S-class dash board. The M also follows the those lines along with many others... so no, MB isn't playing catch up yet.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/s/sedan_int_1_main.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><A HREF="http://www.mbusa.com/media/images/main/models/gallery/photo_gallery/s/sedan_int_1_main.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://www.mbusa.com/media/ima...n.jpg</A>